Where to find okapi meat?
mm
wants me to get the okapi burgers, but I can't find a kosher butcher
that sells them.
--
Meir
"The baby's name is Shlomo. He's named after his grandfather, Scott."
Art Werschulz
mm <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> writes:
> Is okapi meat kosher? I'm invited to a barbecue on July 4 and he
> wants me to get the okapi burgers, but I can't find a kosher butcher
> that sells them.
A quick consultation with Prof. Google indicates that okapi are kosher.
However, I think you're as likely to obtain kosher okapi meat as you are
to obtain kosher giraffe meat. (Wikipedia says that okapi are giraffid
artiodactyl mammals.)
BTW, Okapi is an alternative name for Okup, the village where the Baal
Shem Tov was born.
--
Art Werschulz (agw STRUDEL comcast.net)
... insert clever quote here ...
mm
<a...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Hi.
>
>mm <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>
>> Is okapi meat kosher? I'm invited to a barbecue on July 4 and he
>> wants me to get the okapi burgers, but I can't find a kosher butcher
>> that sells them.
>
>A quick consultation with Prof. Google indicates that okapi are kosher.
>However, I think you're as likely to obtain kosher okapi meat as you are
>to obtain kosher giraffe meat. (Wikipedia says that okapi are giraffid
>artiodactyl mammals.)
>
>BTW, Okapi is an alternative name for Okup, the village where the Baal
>Shem Tov was born.
Maybe that's why he wanted them. grin. I figured they were kosher
but had never seen them on a list. It's nice to know there are even
more choices out there. Maybe farm-raise okapi will become popular.
grin.
DORIS LADAN
-
SHABBAT SHALOM ... DVORA
mm
wrote:
>MEIR THAT IS A STRANGE REQUEST -- MAYBE FROZEN BURGERS ARE SOLD ?
>-
>SHABBAT SHALOM ... DVORA
I was just jokeing, Dvora. No okapi burgers were requested, and I
don't expect a butcher, even a treif butcher, to eell them. I heard
about the okapi on television, and they said it was related to the
giraffe, so I thought it might be kosher. All we ever hear about is
cows, lambs, goats, deer adn deer relations, and once in a great
while, giraffes. I think other animals deserve recognition too, even
if we don't actually eat them.
W. Baker
: On Fri, 1 Jul 2011 22:25:12 +0000 (UTC), dvo...@msn.com (DORIS LADAN)
: wrote:
: Meir
How does one perform shechita on a giraffe? With a very tall ladder:-)
Wendy Baker
Tilly
"W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:iulkkj$m87$2...@reader1.panix.com...
The Okapi doesn't look anything like a giraffe it looks more like a zebra.It
has a much shorter neck.
A ladder wouldn't be required for kosher slaughter.
Nice joke though Wendy.
Arthur Kamlet
mm <mm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>Is okapi meat kosher? I'm invited to a barbecue on July 4 and he
>wants me to get the okapi burgers, but I can't find a kosher butcher
>that sells them.
I don't know, but the okapi is a close relative to the giraffe which
is kosher.
--
ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH
Dennis
> In article wrote:
>>Is okapi meat kosher? I'm invited to a barbecue on July 4 and he
>>wants me to get the okapi burgers, but I can't find a kosher butcher
>>that sells them.
>
> I don't know, but the okapi is a close relative to the giraffe which
> is kosher.
I'm curious! May I take that to mean that Jews have eaten giraffe? I
don't know of any Western goyim who have. let alone okapi.
I live in a part of the USA where folks eat many things that aren't kosher.
I don't know how the Jews here coped. :-)
Dennis
Tilly
news:Xns9F16F2ADF6F9Fts...@130.133.4.11...
Roadkill?
NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com
<tsalagi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Arthur Kamlet wrote:
>
>> In article wrote:
>>>Is okapi meat kosher? I'm invited to a barbecue on July 4 and he
>>>wants me to get the okapi burgers, but I can't find a kosher butcher
>>>that sells them.
>>
>> I don't know, but the okapi is a close relative to the giraffe which
>> is kosher.
>
>I'm curious! May I take that to mean that Jews have eaten giraffe? I
No, his sentence certainly didn't meant that. Right now there is some
bison roaming in some western state that no human has ever seen, and
other kosher animals that no one has happened to see. They're kosher
because they meet the criteria. It doesn't mean anyone has eaten them
or wants to.
We're just joking around. I'd be very surprised if any Jew has ever
eaten giraffe meat. Maybe if he was where they live in Africa and
someone else offered him some, but it wouldnt' have been kosher
slaughtered then and he woudln't have eaten if kashrus was his
concern.
I don't even know if there are any Africans who eat giraffe. Maybe if
they found one dead, but I don't know how many will eat that. I've
only heard of it wrt deer in the US. I think I read there were
50,000 deer found on the highway every year in Pennsylvania alone.
Maybe it was fewer but I found the number incredibly large.
>don't know of any Western goyim who have. let alone okapi.
>
>I live in a part of the USA where folks eat many things that aren't kosher.
>I don't know how the Jews here coped. :-)
When I was in Managua in 1971, I met a Jewish man who moved from St.
Louis 20 or 30 years earlier. He hadn't had meat since he left St.
Louis.
>Dennis
NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com
wrote:
>We're just joking around. I'd be very surprised if any Jew has ever
>eaten giraffe meat. Maybe if he was where they live in Africa and
>someone else offered him some, but it wouldnt' have been kosher
>slaughtered then and he woudln't have eaten if kashrus was his
>concern.
I could be wrong. 40 years ago I heard of a restaurant just west of
the Loop in Chicago that served things like moose and lek and they
some even more exotic African animals too.
I suppose if there's one in Chicago, there might be others.
It's conceivable that they had giraffe and a Jew might have eaten
there, but it wasn't a kosher restaurant.
Henry Goodman
news:gqo017hinufqblqjk...@4ax.com...
I heard some years ago that while giraffe meets the criteria of cloven hoof
and chewing cud there is a halachik dispute as to which part of the neck
would have to be shechted.
--
Henry Goodman
henry dot goodman at virgin dot net
W. Baker
: On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 11:08:29 +0000 (UTC), Dennis
: <tsalagi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: No, his sentence certainly didn't meant that. Right now there is some
: bison roaming in some western state that no human has ever seen, and
: other kosher animals that no one has happened to see. They're kosher
: because they meet the criteria. It doesn't mean anyone has eaten them
: or wants to.
Kosher bison is available in the US
: We're just joking around. I'd be very surprised if any Jew has ever
: eaten giraffe meat. Maybe if he was where they live in Africa and
: someone else offered him some, but it wouldnt' have been kosher
: slaughtered then and he woudln't have eaten if kashrus was his
: concern.
It is kosher if properly slaughtered, but as I wrote earlier how do you do
it?
: I don't even know if there are any Africans who eat giraffe. Maybe if
: they found one dead, but I don't know how many will eat that. I've
: only heard of it wrt deer in the US. I think I read there were
: 50,000 deer found on the highway every year in Pennsylvania alone.
: Maybe it was fewer but I found the number incredibly large.
Many deer are killed on the road in the area where I spend much of the
summer. Most people, if they survive the collision, take the deer home.
If they don't often the State Trooper will take it for family consumption.
Of course, this is not a suitable slaughter method for Kosher Jews:-)
Wendy Baker
: >Dennis
Giorgies E Kepipesiom
>
> I heard some years ago that while giraffe meets the criteria of cloven hoof
> and chewing cud there is a halachik dispute as to which part of the neck
> would have to be shechted.
My dear Rev Goodman, you have fallen for one of the really old Jewish
urban legends. Whoever you heard this from was pulling your proverbial
leg (hopefully nhot the middle one). The upper limit for shechita in a
mammal are the epiglottis and the large ring of crtillage on the
trachea; the lower limits are where the inner surface of the
oesophagus begins to have hair-like projections, and where the trachea
descends between the upper lobes of the lung. In a girraffe this is
some two meters long, and is more than fifteen times the corresponding
length of a steer. If there is no question where to shecht a steer,
what possilbe doubt could there be about where to shecht a giraffe? In
that regard, the girragffe would be the easiest animal to shecht. No,
I think there are far more mundane reasons why we Jews do not commonly
eat giraffe flesh.
GEK
wishing good chodesh to all
DORIS LADAN
Re: Where to find okapi meat?
Group: soc.culture.jewish.moderated
Date: Sun, Jul 3, 2011, 6:07pm (PDT+7)
From: W. Baker <wba...@panix.com>
Many deer are killed on the road in the area where I spend much of the
summer. Most people, if they survive the collision, take the deer home.
If they don't often the State Trooper will take it for family
consumption. Of course, this is not a suitable slaughter method for
Kosher Jews:-)
Wendy Baker
-
-MY ALASKA SON WAS ACTUALLY ARRESTED
WHEN HE KILLED A MOOSE AND TRIED TO TAKE IT HOME --
-
HIS CAR WAS IMPOUNDED AND HIS LICENSE CONFISCATED -- BIG FINE IN COURT
--
-
APPARENTLY IN ALASKA YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE HOME DEAD MOOSE !
W. Baker
: Discusssoc.culture.jewish.moderated
Leaves more for the State Police:-) Probably to avoid people killing an
annimal out of season.
Wendy Baker
Art Werschulz
"W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> writes:
> Kosher bison is available in the US
It's more available than you might think. In the NYC metro area, you
can find bison at various kosher restaurants. On occasion, I've found
frozen kosher steaks at my local supermarket.
I find that it tastes pretty much like beef. The main difference is
that bison is leaner.
Note that I did *not* eat any buffalo meat on 4 July 1976 ... the
bisontennial of the United States. </duck>
W. Baker
: Hi.
: "W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> writes:
: > Kosher bison is available in the US
: It's more available than you might think. In the NYC metro area, you
: can find bison at various kosher restaurants. On occasion, I've found
: frozen kosher steaks at my local supermarket.
: I find that it tastes pretty much like beef. The main difference is
: that bison is leaner.
: Note that I did *not* eat any buffalo meat on 4 July 1976 ... the
: bisontennial of the United States. </duck>
How thoughtful of you, but anyway, there wasn't any kosher that long
ago:-)
Wendy Baker
: --
DORIS LADAN
CAR !
BE WELL ..... DVORA
mm
wrote:
>NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com wrote:
>: On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 11:08:29 +0000 (UTC), Dennis
>: <tsalagi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>: No, his sentence certainly didn't meant that. Right now there is some
>: bison roaming in some western state that no human has ever seen, and
>: other kosher animals that no one has happened to see. They're kosher
>: because they meet the criteria. It doesn't mean anyone has eaten them
>: or wants to.
>
>Kosher bison is available in the US
Let me clarify, That's why I put it in the singular. There are
bison people know about and plan to eat or sell for eating, but there
are also wild ones, like wild giraffes, and there is bound to be at
least one no human has laid eyes on. It's kosher, but not because
anyone is planning on eating it. Just like I'm non-kosher to eat,
even though no one is planning on eating me (I assume.)
>
>: We're just joking around. I'd be very surprised if any Jew has ever
>: eaten giraffe meat. Maybe if he was where they live in Africa and
>: someone else offered him some, but it wouldnt' have been kosher
>: slaughtered then and he woudln't have eaten if kashrus was his
>: concern.
>
>It is kosher if properly slaughtered, but as I wrote earlier how do you do
>it?
>
>
>: I don't even know if there are any Africans who eat giraffe. Maybe if
>: they found one dead, but I don't know how many will eat that. I've
>: only heard of it wrt deer in the US. I think I read there were
>: 50,000 deer found on the highway every year in Pennsylvania alone.
>: Maybe it was fewer but I found the number incredibly large.
>
>Many deer are killed on the road in the area where I spend much of the
>summer. Most people, if they survive the collision, take the deer home.
>If they don't often the State Trooper will take it for family consumption.
>Of course, this is not a suitable slaughter method for Kosher Jews:-)
Right. Since you brought up hitting and eating, that's illegal in
Pennsylvania now. Or at least taking home a deer you didn't hit is.
The police or some state agency are supposed to be called, who pick up
the animal, check it for safety, and then give it to poor people. I
'm guessing too many people were finding deer on the road and not able
to tell how long it had been dead, or willing take a chance##########
>Wendy Baker
>
>: >Dennis
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> Discusssoc.culture.jewish.moderated
>
> Re: Where to find okapi meat?
> Group: soc.culture.jewish.moderated
> Date: Sun, Jul 3, 2011, 6:07pm (PDT+7)
> From: W. Baker <wba...@panix.com>
>
>
> Many deer are killed on the road in the area where I spend much of the
> summer. Most people, if they survive the collision, take the deer home.
> If they don't often the State Trooper will take it for family
> consumption. Of course, this is not a suitable slaughter method for
> Kosher Jews:-)
> Wendy Baker
Success Dvora! You managed to copy the original post to which you
are responding. Now you have to learn to snip the extraneous lines! :-)
> -MY ALASKA SON WAS ACTUALLY ARRESTED
> WHEN HE KILLED A MOOSE AND TRIED TO TAKE IT HOME --
> -
> HIS CAR WAS IMPOUNDED AND HIS LICENSE CONFISCATED -- BIG FINE IN COURT
> -
> APPARENTLY IN ALASKA YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE HOME DEAD MOOSE !
What was the reason he was given?
--
Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
The home and family are the center of Judaism, *not* the synagogue.
May Eliezer Mordichai b. Chaya Sheina Rochel have a refuah shlaimah
btoch sha'ar cholei Yisroel.
Disclaimer: Nothing here necessarily reflects the opinion of Hebrew University
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
GROAN!
DORIS LADAN
THE STATE TROOPER SAID HE WAS STEALING THE MOOSE --
-
LIKE HE WENT HUNTING -- WITH HIS JEEP !
LOL - THOSE PEOPLE UP IN ALASKA ARE SURE DIFFERENT !
-
BTW - I SENT YOU MAIL FRIDAY - YOU MAY HAVE LEFT BEFORE IT CAME --
-
TAKE GOOD CARE OF YOU -- .... DVORA
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> OH MOSHE -
> THE STATE TROOPER SAID HE WAS STEALING THE MOOSE --
So what _should_ he have done with it?
> -
> LIKE HE WENT HUNTING -- WITH HIS JEEP !
> LOL - THOSE PEOPLE UP IN ALASKA ARE SURE DIFFERENT !
And then they want their Governor tobe President! :-)
> BTW - I SENT YOU MAIL FRIDAY - YOU MAY HAVE LEFT BEFORE IT CAME --
I don't work Fridays. ut I didn't see it now, either.
> TAKE GOOD CARE OF YOU -- .... DVORA
I try.
Dennis
>> I live in a part of the USA where folks eat many things that aren't
>> kosher.
>
> Roadkill?
Nope, non-kosher seafood, like crawfish, crabs, oysters, and catfish ( I
don't think catfish are kosher, are they?). Quite a bit of pork too, and
a special kind of sausage. Can you guess where?
Dennis
mm
<tsalagi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Tilly wrote:
>
>>> I live in a part of the USA where folks eat many things that aren't
>>> kosher.
>>
>> Roadkill?
>
>Nope, non-kosher seafood, like crawfish, crabs, oysters, and catfish ( I
>don't think catfish are kosher, are they?).
No, you're right. No scales iiuc.
> Quite a bit of pork too, and
>a special kind of sausage. Can you guess where?
Louisiana? Long ago I drove by the "Crawfish capital of the World"
there.
>Dennis
Tilly
Louisiana?
Tilly
news:u26317l6mitu151sf...@4ax.com...
I guessed Louisiana too. New Orleans perhaps.
DORIS LADAN
Re: Where to find okapi meat?
Group: soc.culture.jewish.moderated
From: mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
dvo...@msn.com (DORIS LADAN) writes:
OH MOSHE -
THE STATE TROOPER SAID HE WAS STEALING THE MOOSE --
So what _should_ he have done with it?
-
LIKE HE WENT HUNTING -- WITH HIS JEEP !
LOL - THOSE PEOPLE UP IN ALASKA ARE SURE DIFFERENT !
And then they want their Governor tobe President! :-)
-
ACTUALLY MY SON DOES NOT THINK SHE WOULD BE A GOOD PRESIDENT FOR THE
WHOLE COUNTRY --
-
BTW - I SENT YOU MAIL FRIDAY - YOU MAY HAVE LEFT BEFORE IT CAME --
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ACTUALLY I AM MISTAKEN -- IT WAS THURSDAY -- THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION
WAS -- ABOUT THE BABY :-)
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AND THE WEDDING -- AND OFCOURSE GOOD SHABBOS :-)
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COULD YOU LOOK IN YOUR JUNK MAIL PLEASE -
THERE IS SOMETHING WIERD ABOUT MY MAIL WHERE OTHER COMPUTERS THINK A -
ROBOT -
SENT IT ???????
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
>
> LOL - THOSE PEOPLE UP IN ALASKA ARE SURE DIFFERENT !
>
> And then they want their Governor tobe President! :-)
> -
> ACTUALLY MY SON DOES NOT THINK SHE WOULD BE A GOOD PRESIDENT FOR THE
> WHOLE COUNTRY --
So do many others.
> BTW - I SENT YOU MAIL FRIDAY - YOU MAY HAVE LEFT BEFORE IT CAME --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> ACTUALLY I AM MISTAKEN -- IT WAS THURSDAY -- THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION
> WAS -- ABOUT THE BABY :-)
> -
> AND THE WEDDING -- AND OFCOURSE GOOD SHABBOS :-)
> -
> COULD YOU LOOK IN YOUR JUNK MAIL PLEASE -
> THERE IS SOMETHING WIERD ABOUT MY MAIL WHERE OTHER COMPUTERS THINK A -
> ROBOT - SENT IT ???????
> -
> I don't work Fridays. but I didn't see it now, either.
I answered that one. The baby is great, out of the hospital and
feeling well. She was in attendence at her brother's aufruf.
mm
wrote:
>OH MOSHE -
>THE STATE TROOPER SAID HE WAS STEALING THE MOOSE --
>-
>LIKE HE WENT HUNTING -- WITH HIS JEEP !
Apparently this is not considered as ridiculous as it sounded to us.
I asked on home repair, where it is off topic, but there they don't
care if something is off topic, at least if a regular poster is
posting.
"Hunters" do strange things to "hunt". One is to stop on the road in
the dark and shine a floodlight into a deer's eyes, which will make it
stop. Then they shoot it. Illegal everywhere in the US.
Another seems to be to lure it to the highway and hit it with the
truck bumper. This was used as a way to avoid the limitations of
the hunting season. It would look like you were hunting if you had a
rifle with you, but not if you had only a truck.
Another poster writes "This rule or tradition also prevails in other
countries where game animals (e.g. deer in Denmark, pheasants in
England) are commonly killed by road traffic. The theory is that (1)
such game is usually safe to eat and should not go to waste, but (2)
the state should avoid incentives to drivers to kill game
deliberately, so (3) passers-by may harvest road kill, but not the
individuals who killed it."
Another guy gave an example of being in an actual accident with a
deer. He yelled but the driver couldn't stop in time (in the dark).
Radiator and hood broken, car disabled, had to hitchhike back to camp.
They called the police and the game commission and got permission to
keep the deer the next day. The doe was stilll alive when they went
back, with broken legs. This was not hunting, just a traffic
accident.
Another webpage says that in the US alone there were 1.5 million
collisions by cars with deer in 2009, most of which killed the deer
and seriously damaged the car. You know the phrase, "like a deer in
the headlights". I think most deer just stop in the road when the
headlights grab their attention. but the car can't stop in time..
Dennis
> On Mon, 4 Jul 2011 10:43:51 +0000 (UTC), Dennis
> <tsalagi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Tilly wrote:
>>
>>>> I live in a part of the USA where folks eat many things that aren't
>>>> kosher.
>>>
>>> Roadkill?
>>
>>Nope, non-kosher seafood, like crawfish, crabs, oysters, and catfish ( I
>>don't think catfish are kosher, are they?).
>
> No, you're right. No scales iiuc.
I'm not sure they don't have scales at all; more likely the scales are very
small.
>> Quite a bit of pork too, and
>>a special kind of sausage. Can you guess where?
>
> Louisiana? Long ago I drove by the "Crawfish capital of the World"
> there.
Yes, South Louisiana. I grew up in Kansas. We had crawfish, a few of
them, but didn't think of eating them. I think they eat them in Minnesota
too.
Dennis
Yisroel Markov
>Arthur Kamlet wrote:
>
>> In article wrote:
>>>Is okapi meat kosher? I'm invited to a barbecue on July 4 and he
>>>wants me to get the okapi burgers, but I can't find a kosher butcher
>>>that sells them.
>>
>> I don't know, but the okapi is a close relative to the giraffe which
>> is kosher.
>
>I'm curious! May I take that to mean that Jews have eaten giraffe?
If you mean "properly shekhted giraffe," that's unlikely. Especially
out of Africa. If you just mean "giraffe meat," then almost certainly
yes -
>I don't know of any Western goyim who have. let alone okapi.
- because there's at least one sandwich place in lower Manhattan that
serves all sorts of exotic meats, and I'm sure that non-observant Jews
that work in the area have visited it.
>I live in a part of the USA where folks eat many things that aren't kosher.
>I don't know how the Jews here coped. :-)
By not eating what the neighbors eat, of course. Same as everywhere
else - it doesn't matter what the gentiles eat as observant Jews have
to set up their own meat supply regardless. (And no, catfish aren't
kosher. Wrong kind of scales.)
--
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