Barry Chamish's new conspiracy theory
J.J. Levin
a well respected newsman, about what Barry Chamish has been doing.
Described as "the father of the Rabin conspiracy theory" in the article,
he was last seen at the door of the Likud Jewish Leadership
conference on Tuesday (11/25) selling his books. He was also selling
his new book, "Save Israel" ( "Hatzilu et Yisrael"), in which he claims
that Dr. Baruch Goldstein was an innocent physician. The shabak lured
him into the cave, and there two Border Police (Mishmar Ha'Gvul) cops
did the killing and quickly escaped, abandoning him there to be killed
by the Arabs who were praying there, and who then killed Goldstein with
fire extinguishers.
Chamish was extremely satisfied with the sales, saying "I wish
there was such a conference every day" as he counted the money.
For those who are not aware of it, the Jewish Leadership conference
of the Likud is made up of extreme right wingers who believe that the
enemy is not the Palestinians but the Jewish Department of shabak,
the police, the Border Patrol and the Israeli prison service.
Two comments:
1. Apparently Chamish was not frightened enough by the alleged
Shabak threats against him (as described in this ng) and has not
only continued to sell his old book about Rabin but now accuses
the shabak of instigating the Goldstein affair too. That shabak
must be one scary organization.
2. I am amazed that the shabak, which according to some posters
here allegedly has such a long hand and can threaten anyone, kill
Prime Ministers, kill some its own agents in a cover-up, cover up
a State investigation, scare physicians and scientists and newsmen
and cops and judges into keeping silent, and now has involved others
(the Border Police) in its nefarious plots, and is apparently afraid of
no one except some American State Department types and supposedly one
American Harvard Professor (but which is inept enough to seriously
botch up a carefully planned political assassination) still has not
found a way to shut up its nemesis, the one brave person who keeps
publishing the terrible truths about this dreaded organization. Can't
these people learn anything from SMERSH about staging car accidents,
defenestrating people, or just getting him into bed with a woman who has
a terribly jealous and violent boyfriend?
For the true believers in this nonsense, I have some very nice Nevada
beach front property for sale. Real cheap.
Jay
Fiona
"J.J. Levin" <jjl...@optonline.net> wrote
What's new? People have said that from the beginning. It has nothing to do
with Chamish, he's just a reporter.
J. J. Levin
Following the above, someone was kind enough to send me some material
from the Chamish web site. The return address said it was Chamish
himself. So either Chamish is following this newsgroup, or someone here
gave him my e-mail address.
Whether it was Barry Chamish himself or not, it would be nice if
that person identified him/herself rather than hide behind
the anonymity that the internet provides. If you believe in something,
have the guts to say so openly.
Jay
Fiona
"J. J. Levin" <jjl...@optonline.net> wrote
> Following the above, someone was kind enough to send me some material
> from the Chamish web site. The return address said it was Chamish
> himself. So either Chamish is following this newsgroup, or someone here
> gave him my e-mail address.
<shrug>
Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
p_al...@hotmail.com
Fiona, aren't you worried the nasties who allegedly threatened to do
harm Chamish's family will come after you? I have no fear of any harm
coming your way, as I don't believe the nasties did any of that, but
you do, so why aren't you worried?
Fiona
<p_al...@hotmail.com> wrote
> "Fiona" <fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote
> > "J. J. Levin" <jjl...@optonline.net> wrote
> >
> > > Following the above, someone was kind enough to send me some material
> > > from the Chamish web site. The return address said it was Chamish
> > > himself. So either Chamish is following this newsgroup, or someone
here
> > > gave him my e-mail address.
> >
> > <shrug>
> > Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
>
> Fiona, aren't you worried the nasties who allegedly threatened to do
> harm Chamish's family will come after you? I have no fear of any harm
> coming your way, as I don't believe the nasties did any of that, but
> you do, so why aren't you worried?
For what? Not believing the holy writ of the Shamgar commission?
Fiona
Zev Sero
> I am amazed that the shabak[...] still has not
> found a way to shut up its nemesis, the one brave person who keeps
> publishing the terrible truths about this dreaded organization.
I've already given my opinion on this, but perhaps you didn't notice.
Barry Chamish is a certifiable nutcase. The very fact that he is the
most prominent pusher of the Rabin Conspiracy Theory makes me take it
less seriously than I might otherwise. And I've got to consider that
if I were the Shabak agent in charge of covering up something like
this, I'd *want* Chamish or his like `exposing' the plot, and I'd do
everything I could to encourage him to do so, perhaps even to the
point of feeding him `secret information' to egg him on. I'd send
him death threats, the more lurid the better, but I'd make sure that
nothing actually happened to him.
Just saying.
Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd
stopped clock is accurate twice a day...ie Rabin and Yaldei Teiman.
Unfortunately, I gave up my Creedmoor website; I had posted an article by
"Barry Chamor-ish" connecting the untimely deaths of the late Ofra Haza and
the most high Zohar Argov (both of whose parents made aliya from Teiman) to
the kidnapping of Yaldei Teiman by space aliens.
IS
p_al...@hotmail.com
No, for going public with said belief, which we are told got threats
sent to Chamish.
Fiona
<p_al...@hotmail.com> wrote
> "Fiona" <fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote
> > <p_al...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > > "Fiona" <fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote
> > > > "J. J. Levin" <jjl...@optonline.net> wrote
> > > >
> > > > > Following the above, someone was kind enough to send me some
material
> > > > > from the Chamish web site. The return address said it was Chamish
> > > > > himself. So either Chamish is following this newsgroup, or someone
> > here
> > > > > gave him my e-mail address.
> > > >
> > > > <shrug>
> > > > Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
> > >
> > > Fiona, aren't you worried the nasties who allegedly threatened to do
> > > harm Chamish's family will come after you? I have no fear of any harm
> > > coming your way, as I don't believe the nasties did any of that, but
> > > you do, so why aren't you worried?
> >
> > For what? Not believing the holy writ of the Shamgar commission?
>
> No, for going public with said belief, which we are told got threats
> sent to Chamish.
Israel is, in theory if not in practice, a country where freedom of speech
is protected.
Hamish was threatened for actively seeking, finding, and publishing
documentory evidence contradicting official statements.
Fiona
J. J. Levin
Apparently the threats wer not very persuasive. Not only does Chamish
continue to publish and sell his "evidence", but now he's accusing the
shabak of collusion in the Goldstein "conspiracy". No wonder you're not
afraid of the shabak, with that kind of track record.
Jay
Fiona
> continue to publish and sell his "evidence", but now he's accusing the
> shabak of collusion in the Goldstein "conspiracy". No wonder you're not
> afraid of the shabak, with that kind of track record.
You think I should be afraid of the Shabak? Why's that?
Fiona
p_al...@hotmail.com
> Israel is, in theory if not in practice, a country where freedom of speech
> is protected.
>
> Hamish was threatened for actively seeking, finding, and publishing
> documentory evidence contradicting official statements.
So as long as you just agree with him, you're safe, but it would be
dangerous for anyone but Josh to dig further?
I've seen his book for sale in Israel as recently as last summer at a
public event (the Shavua Hasefer Haivri, Hebrew Book Week fair at the
Israel Museum), he was there signing his books (the conspiracy books,
not the UFO ones). Maybe he's gotten himself some of Josh's insurance
since those alleged threats.
Fiona
speech
> > is protected.
> >
> > Hamish was threatened for actively seeking, finding, and publishing
> > documentory evidence contradicting official statements.
>
> So as long as you just agree with him, you're safe, but it would be
> dangerous for anyone but Josh to dig further?
Don't know if I agree with him or not on anything other than there seems to
be many unanswered questions. I've never seen, let alone read any of his
books.
Fiona
p_al...@hotmail.com
If you haven't read his books, how did you find out about his views?
I've been unable to follow Josh's postings here on the subject. I
have a feeling that he's not really talking to the participants in
this newsgroup, instead he's dropping hints to the conspirators (or
coveruppers) who he assumes are reading his postings. I'm also not
sure if Josh's version of the events is the same as Chamish's.
And even sympathetic articles I've read about Chamish on the web have
a "here is a teaser, read the book to get the whole picture" feel
about them. I understand he makes a living from selling books. But
if there's a website that lays out the entire argument I'll take a
look.
Fiona
<p_al...@hotmail.com> wrote
> "Fiona" <fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote
> > <p_al...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > > "Fiona" <fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote
> > >
> > > > Israel is, in theory if not in practice, a country where freedom of
> > speech
> > > > is protected.
> > > >
> > > > Hamish was threatened for actively seeking, finding, and publishing
> > > > documentory evidence contradicting official statements.
> > >
> > > So as long as you just agree with him, you're safe, but it would be
> > > dangerous for anyone but Josh to dig further?
> >
> > Don't know if I agree with him or not on anything other than there seems
to
> > be many unanswered questions. I've never seen, let alone read any of his
> > books.
>
> If you haven't read his books, how did you find out about his views?
I didn't. I've never quoted Hamish.
Fiona
BAC...@vms.huji.ac.il
>From: p_al...@hotmail.com
>Subject:Re: Barry Chamish's new conspiracy theory
>Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:07:48 +0000 (UTC)
>Message-ID:<91bf498e.03120...@posting.google.com>
>"Fiona" <fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<bqkg0g$bod$1$8302...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>> <p_al...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> > "Fiona" <fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote
>> >
>> > > Israel is, in theory if not in practice, a country where freedom of
>> speech
>> > > is protected.
>> > >
>> > > Hamish was threatened for actively seeking, finding, and publishing
>> > > documentory evidence contradicting official statements.
>> >
>> > So as long as you just agree with him, you're safe, but it would be
>> > dangerous for anyone but Josh to dig further?
>>
>> Don't know if I agree with him or not on anything other than there seems to
>> be many unanswered questions. I've never seen, let alone read any of his
>> books.
>
>If you haven't read his books, how did you find out about his views?
>I've been unable to follow Josh's postings here on the subject. I
If and when you visit Israel, I can show you all the primary medical
documents from the case: emergency room, hndwritten surgicahandwritten surgical
report, typed up surgical report, autopsy report. Bring them to any
surgeon (trauma surgery, neurosurgery) whose native language is Hebrew
and have them critique my diagnosis (even though I had had 2 of the top
spine surgeons in Israel (Gordon Robin and Dan Herness) and the former
deputy head of neurosurgery at Hadassah (Professor Steiner) as well
as a trauma surgeon and a neurologist go over my diagnosis and AGREE with
it.
I happen to teach a course at the med school here on "Evidence Based
Medicine: Diagnosis and Therapy" so I am trained to elicit the info.
>have a feeling that he's not really talking to the participants in
>this newsgroup, instead he's dropping hints to the conspirators (or
>coveruppers) who he assumes are reading his postings. I'm also not
>sure if Josh's version of the events is the same as Chamish's.
I am a consultant on emergency preparedness to national police
headquarters (work with Colonel Danny Fisher) and meet the "boys"
(Shabak, army, police, Mossad) once a month at an intel briefing
where we all "shmooze" and talk shop. And if it isn't obvious
from my posts on the Rabin assassination on SCJM where I mention
that the chief scientist of the Shabak has a PhD in biophysics and
the deputy head of its investigations branch recently finished his
law degree at IFC in Herzliya [if you didn't notice these obvious
cues then you didn't realize whom I know].
I will reiterate for the umpeenth time: until I came up with the diagnosis
in 1998, everyone involved had NO idea WHY things progressed as they did.
Let's just say that certain people are highly grateful for my research
which may be a way which eventually might enable the truth to come out
even though it may brand some people as instigators of a highly
undemocratic process where they wished to stage a FAKE assassination
attempt. They can simply claim they were completely unaware of the
ramifications of blank cartridge injury and place blame exclusively
on Yoram Rubin, the security guard, who shot three REAL bullets into Rabin
in the car on the way to the hospital.
CATCH-22 ? They realize that Rubin will implicate two others. When an
80 year old politician dies, the truth will come out.
Josh
p_al...@hotmail.com
> >have a feeling that he's not really talking to the participants in
> >this newsgroup, instead he's dropping hints to the conspirators (or
> >coveruppers) who he assumes are reading his postings. I'm also not
> >sure if Josh's version of the events is the same as Chamish's.
> If and when you visit Israel, I can show you all the primary medical
> documents from the case: emergency room, hndwritten surgicahandwritten
> surgical report, typed up surgical report, autopsy report. Bring them to any
> surgeon (trauma surgery, neurosurgery) whose native language is Hebrew
> and have them critique my diagnosis (even though I had had 2 of the top
> spine surgeons in Israel (Gordon Robin and Dan Herness) and the former
> deputy head of neurosurgery at Hadassah (Professor Steiner) as well
> as a trauma surgeon and a neurologist go over my diagnosis and AGREE with it.
I don't think my travel insurance covers sugical consultations for
anyone other than me. But do you really want to convince people one
at a time? Wouldn't some sort of publication be more effective than
showing it to me? I don't know if the way to do it would be a book, a
website, or whatever, but do something beyond cryptic posts to SCJM.
> I am a consultant on emergency preparedness to national police
> headquarters (work with Colonel Danny Fisher) and meet the "boys"
> (Shabak, army, police, Mossad) once a month at an intel briefing
> where we all "shmooze" and talk shop. And if it isn't obvious
> from my posts on the Rabin assassination on SCJM where I mention
> that the chief scientist of the Shabak has a PhD in biophysics and
> the deputy head of its investigations branch recently finished his
> law degree at IFC in Herzliya [if you didn't notice these obvious
> cues then you didn't realize whom I know].
As I don't know Danny Fisher or any other of the "boys", don't know
who the chief scientist of the Shin Bet or the deputy head of its
investigations branch are, or what it means that he studied at IFC (I
don't even know what IFC is, I have heard of the Interdicipinary
Center in Herzlia, which has a law school), the above doesn't tell me
anything. But I'll take your word that you know lots of important
people.
> I will reiterate for the umpeenth time: until I came up with the diagnosis
> in 1998, everyone involved had NO idea WHY things progressed as they did.
> Let's just say that certain people are highly grateful for my research
> which may be a way which eventually might enable the truth to come out
> even though it may brand some people as instigators of a highly
> undemocratic process where they wished to stage a FAKE assassination
> attempt. They can simply claim they were completely unaware of the
> ramifications of blank cartridge injury and place blame exclusively
> on Yoram Rubin, the security guard, who shot three REAL bullets into Rabin
> in the car on the way to the hospital.
Certain people? You're talking to the microphones in the ceiling, not
to me.
If you don't care if I understand, don't tell me anything. If you
want to convince me, try to convince me, not "certain people".
> CATCH-22 ? They realize that Rubin will implicate two others. When an
> 80 year old politician dies, the truth will come out.
I don't know who the two others are, but I did finally get the one
easy to get clue in your entire posting. So why can't you say the
truth will come out when Peres dies?
p_al...@hotmail.com
> <p_al...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > If you haven't read his books, how did you find out about his views?
>
> I didn't. I've never quoted Hamish.
OK, what sources convinced you not to accept the official verson?