Japanese Bestiality in WW2
SL
Those who lie, even unto themselves, about their history are
condemned to repeat their past ways. Let the world be warned
here and now that there are enough lying Japanese to make
this world very, very unsafe indeed. For anyone to deny the
horrific past is for that person to deny his very own humanity.
WW2 revisionists are devils, and are worst than animals.
Just a random quote from Iris Chang's book
"The Rape of Nanking, the Forgotten Holocaust
of WW2" printed by BasicBooks, 1997 :
"Many (Japanese) soldiers went beyond rape to disembowel
women, slice off their breasts, nail them alive to walls.
Fathers were forced to rape their daughters, and sons
their mothers, as other family members watched. Not only
did live burials, castration, the carving of organs (from
live persons) and the roasting of (live) people become
routine, but diabolical tortures were practised, such as
hanging (live persons) by their tongues on iron hooks or
burying people to their waists and watching them get torn
apoart by German shepherds. So sickening was the spectacle
that even the Nazis in the city )of Nanking) were horrified,
one proclaiming the massacre to be the work of "bestial
machinery".
SL
Ian David Garlick wrote:
> SL wrote:
> The truth and history are generally mutually exclusive. What you read
> when you read "most" history texts is an opinionated version of events
> written in such a way as to make the writer feel justified that his side
> did the right thing. Not always but often enough. Japanese historians
> are guilty, so are Australian historians, Chinese historians, Argentinian
> historians, English historians and American historians.
Personal or cultural bias as you hinted at is accepted. If we then
read many historians' versions of the same war, we should approximate
at the truth, provided that the only bias in play is what you delimited.
But does that condone the effort by so many Japanese to completely
refuse
to acknowledge that their predeccesors did any wrong? to deny the entire
Nanjing incident? to accuse us of lying when we point at their sins?
Back in the 1960s, our grandmothers were already telling us of the same
crimes against humanity which Iris Chang documented in her book. Before
you rush to "refute" bear in mind that these old women were middle-aged
women during WW2, and remember that these old women were illiterate
during the war and even into the 1960s. They had no access to
newspapers,
TV, not even B&W TV (fax machines, telephone, email were not in use
yet).
And so, every thing these old women knew were 1st person eye-witness
accounts, or oral history. Now, listen to my grandmother's personal
story:
1. Live babies were snatched from women prisoners of war, flung up in
the
air, and bayonetted as they fell back to Earth. This took place all over
the island of Singapore, and my grandmother pointed to us the soccer
field
at the Fraser & Neave factory at River Valley Road/Delta Road as the
scene
of this crime against humanity. Can you hear the sound of screaming,
Ian???
And now, get this: the babies were killed for idle fun by junior
Japanese
soldiers to amuse/impress senior Japanese officers. There was no
military
nor administrative need to do that cruel thing.
2. Each day, before the sun is up, when it is yet dark, all females are
woken up by family members, and led to hiding places in the jungles
around
the villages. they bring food for the whole day with them, and hide away
from Japanese soldiers until nightfall. My grandmother, being of normal
healthy constitution, was good gang-rape material, and she took pains to
hide herself well, and so she did. One day, she heard the fear-stricken
sounds of a very old woman, known to all those hiding with my
grandmother,
being arrested. The hapless old lady believed that she was too old to
attract Japanese attention and so she did not hide herself. She was
wrong.
She was raped by the 8 soldiers, but deciding that she didn't give the
necessary pleasure, they proceeded to torture her to extract information
as to the whereabouts of other younger, more luscious females. They put
all manner of sticks and things up her bottom. Can you hear the
screaming,
Ian??? They threatened her with all manner of dire consequences, of
which
the kindest would have been death, if she did not divulge the location
of
her friends. Finally they stuck a Japanese sword up where she will hurt
most, and left her bleeding to death. But she didn't die. She survived,
without antibiotics, without medical care, just limping around the
village
like a dog with a crippled leg. Then she really became unattractive to
the soldiers, and they left her alone after that.
Would you agree that it will take a very, very "opinionated" version of
Japanese history to say that my grandmother's oral history is
"exaggerated"??? So opinionated, indeed, that the proper word for it
becomes "lying". I still say that it is inhuman to say that the Japanese
did no wrong during WW2. To even try and excuse their crimes today is
already to act in inhuman terms, as that would tantamount to denying the
humanity of the Chinese victims. Should they suffer and die in vain???
Is there nothing we can learn from their fate, other than that history
books are subject to cultural and personal bias???
Brethen StormWeaver
SL <stev...@pacific.net.sg> wrote in article
<35148...@pacific.net.sg>...
>
...snip...
> refuse
> to acknowledge that their predeccesors did any wrong? to deny the entire
> Nanjing incident? to accuse us of lying when we point at their sins?
I think Mr Garlick is not trying to imply that those "wrongs" should be
excused. The undertone is one that is without malice or refusal but of one
that is affirmative. It was just an add on opinion, that's all.
>
> Back in the 1960s, our grandmothers were already telling us of the same
> crimes against humanity which Iris Chang documented in her book.
.snip... Then she really became unattractive to
> the soldiers, and they left her alone after that.
What you have stated here is an inescapable fact. The world doesn't deny
those atrocities of war ( from the Jewish Liquidation by the Nazis to the
Nanjing Massacre ) no matter the attempts at smotherising them with a
blanket of bullock.
>
..snip... Should they suffer and die in vain???
> Is there nothing we can learn from their fate, other than that history
> books are subject to cultural and personal bias???
I think we should be more positive in this aspect. Those were bad times
where the country was ill prepared for the onset of invasion.
No need to lament the past, strike out on territory that will prevent such
evil from ever happening again.
The Armed forces was formed for that. Do your part as a soldier, ( if you
are singaporean and still serving NS ) and make sure that if you can't save
your shores, you die trying.
regrds 770, calm down, the war is over.
James Peters
Brethen StormWeaver wrote in message <01bd5575$1351bb60$42b415a5@storms>...
>
>No need to lament the past, strike out on territory that will prevent such
>evil from ever happening again.
>
...by learning from the past...
>The Armed forces was formed for that. Do your part as a soldier, ( if you
>are singaporean and still serving NS ) and make sure that if you can't save
>your shores, you die trying.
>
>regrds 770, calm down, the war is over.
- but the education is just beginning.
JZ
Japan has the most pervert culture on earth, and is the most degenerate
nation throughout human history. what they did is truly a shame of humanity
on this planet.
Ian David Garlick
SL wrote:
>
> Those who lie, even unto themselves, about their history are
> condemned to repeat their past ways. Let the world be warned
> here and now that there are enough lying Japanese to make
> this world very, very unsafe indeed.
The truth and history are generally mutually exclusive. What
you read when you read "most" history texts is an opinionated
version of events written in such a way as to make the writer
feel justified that his side did the right thing. Not always
but often enough. Japanese historians are guilty, so are
Australian historians, Chinese historians, Argentinian historians,
English historians and American historians.
Ian D.G.
SL
James Peters wrote:
> Brethen StormWeaver wrote:
> >No need to lament the past, strike out on territory that
> >will prevent such evil from ever happening again.
If we, the victims' off-springs, do not learn from the past, how will we
have the motivation to defend our shores? If we, the older off-springs,
do not tell the story to our younger brothers, and to their children,
how will they have the motivation to stand shoulder to shoulder next to
you and I??? When I bring up the past, is it a lament, or is it an
instruction to future generations? Are you a pacifist or an apologist?
But, more importantly, the aggressors should also learn from their past.
The silence of the Japanese is deafening, and in that, lurks great
danger. It is one thing to tell the victims not to dwell in the past,
but it is another to learn that the aggressors have not repented of
their crimes. Won't it be too late when the Japanese are in their planes
and boats headed your way, that you then bring out history books to
teach your young???
Or do you not notice that the US has just conscripted the Japanese into
their China-containment tag team? On the face of it, that has nothing to
do with a repeat rape of South East Asia, but does it not? If
hostilities break out between US and China, would the US then mind it
very much if the Japanese made a few side-incursions in our direction on
their way to helping the US fight China? One simple argument the
Japanese can use is that they are helping the US deny China room to
manouvre by capturing Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Manchuria, etc,
etc. Then, they offer to administer these "China-sympathisers" and
potential "hot-spots of rebellion" for another 20 or 30 years as a
reward for ganging up with the US. Not a bad combination: the 2 largest
and most powerful economies in the world ganging up on a nascent threat
to their positions, with Europe keeping a distance "since it does not
affect them". All in the name of "stabilising" the region.
Brethen StormWeaver, if you will re-read your history books, and focus
on human frailties/motivations, and not just on the plain facts, you
will find the above scenario, while fantastical, is at least possible.
We have seen even more improbable sequences of world history than that.
It is in that light that I have grave misgivings about the Japanese
national personality. In the absence of a national conscience founded on
the humanity of ALL RACES, and not just the Japanese race, the future
looks dark.
Leo
Don't worry. The Japanese people have now completely lose confidence and
trust in their government after all the financial scandals which proved
Japanese "democratic" government is a scam run by Yakuza who descended from
the fedual Samurai families.
'Wasurerarezu' wrote in message
>What many Japanese people don't seem to realize is that the persistence of
>mainstream intellectuals and politicians who deny Nanjing
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SL
'Wasurerarezu' wrote:
> What many Japanese people don't seem to realize is that the persistence
> slavery and the apparent lack of censure, ostracism, or even a strong
> reaction of any kind by the Japanese themselves continues to do immense
> damage to the credibility of any and all Japanese in the eyes of the rest
> of the world. Japanese sources are now regarded rather suspiciously because
> of this percieved lack of honesty and accountability in intellectual and
> political spheres. It is my opinion that lack of responsibility about the
> past has seriously harmed their prospects for regaining trustworthiness and
> credibility far more than most Japanese seem to be aware. Just an honest
> observation.
And very valid too. The silence from the Japanese front is deafening!!!
Look, they have the most IT-savvy people, and they have internet access.
Yet, there are few contributions from japanese on these issues. Why???
Because they will be targetted by the Far Right? they will be punished
by the Arch Conservatives? by their Emperor's servants? by the guardians
of that famous Shinto Shrine in Tokyo? Why???
Are modern-day Japanese living in fear or in ignorance? I say they live
in fear. Why??? Look (sorry, 2nd look in same article), the japanese are
so good at seeking out knowledge. they scour tha world for all manner of
skills and obscure ideas. What they have made of those kernels of wisdom
is by now legendary, and I need not elaborate. How does that look when
set
side by side with their apparent lack of knowledge about their own
past???
That is why I say that, as a nation, they lie, even to themselves, about
their history. Let the world be warned that there are enough lying
Japanese
to make this world very unsafe indeed. There are many honest japanese as
well, but they live in fear of the lying ones. Therein lies the reason
for
this great silence!!! For the good people keep silent because they fear
the
ones who control the top business/political/academic leadership of
Japan.
That is why I come out so strongly against those who deny the horrific
past.
Because they deny Japanese humanity, and worse still, they rob the
Nanjing,
comfort women, Death Railway, and other victims, of their humanity once
again in the denial. WW2 revisionists are therefore worst than animals.
Just a random quote from Iris Chang's book
"The Rape of Nanking, the Forgotten Holocaust
of WW2", 1997, printed by BasicBooks :
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Brethen StormWeaver
>
> If we, the victims' off-springs, do not learn from the past, how will we
> have the motivation to defend our shores? If we, the older off-springs,
> do not tell the story to our younger brothers, and to their children,
> how will they have the motivation to stand shoulder to shoulder next to
> you and I??? When I bring up the past, is it a lament, or is it an
> instruction to future generations? Are you a pacifist or an apologist?
Mr Lo, i am both. Talk is cheap, my emphasis is in defence. I've been
forced on more than one occassion to resort to physical and magickal means
to quell an aggressor, that still hasn't changed.
>
> But, more importantly, the aggressors should also learn from their past.
> The silence of the Japanese is deafening, and in that, lurks great
> danger. It is one thing to tell the victims not to dwell in the past,
> but it is another to learn that the aggressors have not repented of
> their crimes. Won't it be too late when the Japanese are in their planes
> and boats headed your way, that you then bring out history books to
> teach your young???
What you've stated here is sound reasoning.
Then again, WW1 was called the war to end all wars, and yet WW2 inevitably
sparked - even though the suffering was for all to see and witness. Mankind
were educated in that sense - but it still happened. The causes of the two
major wars does make it's statement loud and clear - a bullet and the
opening shot for opportunists.
Make no mistake, no amount of convincing or reasoning will stop a mad
decision in turning the slaughtering wheel.
I emphasise more on being prepared for the vigors of war. I will stand by
my rifle, my sword and my blasting rod when the time comes, blood for
blood, i've never believed in turning the other cheek.
>
> Or do you not notice that the US has just conscripted the Japanese into
> their China-containment tag team? ( ....all the political rumble snipped
without further comment ) All in the name of "stabilising" the region.
No offence Mr Lo, Politics had never been clean in the first place, it is
entirely another issue altogether. Why flog an already beaten horse to
death? When it can sparked more racial and patriotic hatred.
>
> Brethen StormWeaver, if you will re-read your history books, and focus
> on human frailties/motivations, and not just on the plain facts, you
> will find the above scenario, while fantastical, is at least possible.
> We have seen even more improbable sequences of world history than that.
> It is in that light that I have grave misgivings about the Japanese
> national personality. In the absence of a national conscience founded on
> the humanity of ALL RACES, and not just the Japanese race, the future
> looks dark.
A very good point, but it still doesn't change the fact that this idea is
not possible to say the least.
I do agree that a national conscience is important, it does shatter the
"glorious" image of a victor with a flag when we remember those folks whom
went through those difficult times.
L.V.X. in light.
regrds, 770.
Jungkwon Chin
wasure...@hotmail.com ('Wasurerarezu') wrote:
> Sat, 21 Mar 1998 10:05:31 -0800, SL <stev...@pacific.net.sg> :
>>Those who lie, even unto themselves, about their history are
>>condemned to repeat their past ways. Let the world be warned
>>here and now that there are enough lying Japanese to make
>>this world very, very unsafe indeed. For anyone to deny the
>>horrific past is for that person to deny his very own humanity.
>>WW2 revisionists are devils, and are worst than animals.
>>
>>Just a random quote from Iris Chang's book
>>"The Rape of Nanking, the Forgotten Holocaust
>>of WW2" printed by BasicBooks, 1997 :
>>
>>"Many (Japanese) soldiers went beyond rape to disembowel
>>women, slice off their breasts, nail them alive to walls.
>>Fathers were forced to rape their daughters, and sons
>>their mothers, as other family members watched. Not only
>>did live burials, castration, the carving of organs (from
>>live persons) and the roasting of (live) people become
>>routine, but diabolical tortures were practised, such as
>>hanging (live persons) by their tongues on iron hooks or
>>burying people to their waists and watching them get torn
>>apoart by German shepherds. So sickening was the spectacle
>>that even the Nazis in the city )of Nanking) were horrified,
>>one proclaiming the massacre to be the work of "bestial
>>machinery".
>What many Japanese people don't seem to realize is that the persistence of
>mainstream intellectuals and politicians who deny Nanjing or the sex
>slavery and the apparent lack of censure, ostracism, or even a strong
>reaction of any kind by the Japanese themselves continues to do immense
>damage to the credibility of any and all Japanese in the eyes of the rest
>of the world. Japanese sources are now regarded rather suspiciously
>because of this percieved lack of honesty and accountability in
>intellectual and political spheres. It is my opinion that lack of
>responsibility about the past has seriously harmed their prospects for
>regaining trustworthiness and credibility far more than most Japanese seem
>to be aware. Just an honest observation.
>
That's the point.
I hope Japan will be a country loved by other Asian countries.
Everybody, every country can make mistakes, not only Japan.
So, I think we can and must forgive mistakes by others or other
countries. But we cannot and must not forgive those who deny that they
made mistakes, for they are willing to repeat the same mistakes, which
they don't take for mistakes.
regards,
Jungkwon Chin
ps.
There are many Japanese who has courage to appologize heartfully for
their past wrong doings. I repect those Japanese. I think they have
true courage. Courage means something other than opening stomach or
commiting suicide to protect their boss.
Jungkwon Chin
"Leo" <yo...@efnet.com> wrote:
>Don't worry. The Japanese people have now completely lose confidence and
>trust in their government after all the financial scandals which proved
>Japanese "democratic" government is a scam run by Yakuza who descended from
>the fedual Samurai families.
That's oe of those good aspects of this financial crisis.
The same is true of Korea.
>'Wasurerarezu' wrote in message
>>What many Japanese people don't seem to realize is that the persistence of
>>mainstream intellectuals and politicians who deny Nanjing
>(deleted)
Adrian Wong TT
>Just a random quote from Iris Chang's book
>"The Rape of Nanking, the Forgotten Holocaust
>of WW2", 1997, printed by BasicBooks :
>--------------------------------------------------------
>"Many (Japanese) soldiers went beyond rape to disembowel
>women, slice off their breasts, nail them alive to walls.
>Fathers were forced to rape their daughters, and sons
>their mothers, as other family members watched. Not only
>did live burials, castration, the carving of organs (from
>live persons) and the roasting of (live) people become
>routine, but diabolical tortures were practised, such as
>hanging (live persons) by their tongues on iron hooks or
>burying people to their waists and watching them get torn
>apoart by German shepherds. So sickening was the spectacle
>that even the Nazis in the city )of Nanking) were horrified,
>one proclaiming the massacre to be the work of "bestial
>machinery".
>
>
George Bernard Shaw wrote a book depicting all manners of horrors to
demonstrate the wickedness of the Vietnam War. Included were the
customary disembowellments, stuffing of genitals in the mouths of the
castrated victims, shovelling worms into the privates of lasses, etc
ad nauseam - to the extent that it made the Japanese of Nanking infamy
seem like angels.
But my eyes were really open when I had chance to visit the real
Japan, at their heartlands and away from the glitzy Shinjuku or Ginza.
Guess what, the quiet, docile, kowtowing Nihon-jin are doing nasty
things to their own women folk. Inserting gadgets of all kinds,
jetting (and ejecting) fluids of all types, bondages that stagger the
(normal) imagination, and always to fresh faced females in school
uniforms.
My conclusion? Poor Japanese girls, what did you ever do to deserve
such males!!
Bean
The bottom line is
The Japanese are good in warfare as well as
business.
They whipped every one (well almost if not for the A-bomb)
in war and now they whipped every one with their economic
might.
Let's face it. They are good. Both in war n business, period.
Leo
Don't be fool by the "demure" Japanese girls. Try one then you will know!
Adrian Wong TT wrote in message \
CD
Isn't bestiality having sex with chickens, pigs and other domesticated
animals? No, seriously, I have read the post by SL and can see that what
happened was indeed a heinous crime. What I can't understand is what is
helped by dragging all of this up again. What will it solve? Humans have
been doing hateful things to each other for as long as history has been
kept. I once read about a chinese woman who had her limbs cut off by
another chinese person. She was then stuck in a large vase and left to die.
I know a neighbor who was tortured in Vietnam. For whatever reason the
Veitnamese soldiers were not to put a mark on him because he was going to be
turned over to the Americans the next day. He spent a night with a funnel
ram up his backside and red hot pokers shoved inside of him. I heard of a
well known artist in Guatamala who's children were kidnapped. He traced
them to a large Greenpeace factory. In an effort to find them he got a job
at the Greenpeace factory and found that they were kidnapping children,
slaughtering them, and selling their body organs on the black market (now
there's some good old fashioned nature loving for you).
It is unfortunate, but it's just a fact that some humans are far less that a
human should be. I just don't see what is solved by throwing a lot of
hatred around the globe.
CD
>Back in the 1960s, our grandmothers were already telling us of the same
>like a dog with a crippled leg. Then she really became unattractive to
>the soldiers, and they left her alone after that.
>
>Would you agree that it will take a very, very "opinionated" version of
>Japanese history to say that my grandmother's oral history is
>"exaggerated"??? So opinionated, indeed, that the proper word for it
>becomes "lying". I still say that it is inhuman to say that the Japanese
>did no wrong during WW2. To even try and excuse their crimes today is
>already to act in inhuman terms, as that would tantamount to denying the
>humanity of the Chinese victims. Should they suffer and die in vain???