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Hillary Clinton is back; stands by Japan; reminds us that the WWII spoils the U.S. seized will remain sacred and her boss's Asian Pivot is for rrrrrreal!
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lo yeeOn
Jan 19, 2013, 1:07:33 AM1/19/13
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Forget history and geography! What we said after the war shall remain
the holy cow to safeguard. even at the cost of a major war, despite
the fact that the USSR as the other major victor of the Allied Forces
had agreed to dissolve the Warsaw Pact, even before knowing about its
own dissolution, a long time ago.
China under Chiang Kai-shek was supposed to be one of the big four of
the Allied Forces. But the United States awarded the "administration"
of Diaoyutai Islands, not back to its "big four" ally, but to Japan,
the major enemy who had actually attacked the United States to provoke
the war in the first place.
(Of course, the United States government rubbed China's collective
nose in the dirt and of course, it knows that Japan will be forever
grateful and therefore be a willing puppet forever since not only its
horrendous crimes committed against humanity were overlooked, but also
it was given the explicit authority to administer the islands they had
stolen from China in the first place - during the Meiji era.)
This shows that the talk of democracy and freedom and of human rights
by the United States government is phony. It doesn't care about the
right and wrong. It only cares about what is beneficial or profitable
to its hegemonic agenda.
lo yeeOn
Clinton stands by Japan on China island row
Saturday, 19 January, 2013, 8:36am
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1131511/clinton-stands-japan-china-island-row
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton issued a veiled warning to China
not to challenge Japan's control of disputed islands as Tokyo's new
government vowed not to aggravate tensions.
Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida met with Clinton on the first trip by a
top Japanese official since Japan's conservatives returned to power
last month. Clinton announced that Prime Minister Shinzo Abe would
visit in February.
Amid signs that China is testing control over virtually uninhabited
islands in the East China Sea, Clinton said the area was under Japan's
administration and hence protected under a US security treaty with
Tokyo. "We oppose any unilateral actions that would seek to undermine
Japanese administration," Clinton told a joint news conference with
Kishida.
Clinton did not mention Beijing directly in the warning, but said: "We
want to see China and Japan resolve this matter peacefully through
dialogue."
"We do not want to see any action taken by anyone that could raise
tensions or result in miscalculation that would undermine the peace,
security and economic growth in this region," she said.
The United States insists it is neutral on the ultimate sovereignty of
the islands - known as the Senkaku in Japanese and the Diaoyu in
Chinese - but that they are under the de facto administration of Japan.
China has repeatedly criticized the US position and sent maritime
surveillance ships to the potentially gas-rich area, a move that
experts see as a way to contest the notion that Japan holds effective
control.
Abe has been known throughout his career as a hawk on national
security. But Kishida took a measured tone on China while in
Washington, describing the relationship with Beijing as "one of the
most important" for Japan.
"While Japan will not concede and will uphold our fundamental
positions that the Senkaku islands are an inherent territory of Japan,
we intend to respond calmly so as not to provoke China," Kishida said.
Kishida welcomed Clinton's support, saying that the statement on the
security treaty "will go against any unilateral action that would
infringe upon the administration rights of Japan."
US officials and pundits have largely welcomed the return of the
Liberal Democratic Party, believing that Abe's firm positions and
pledges to boost military spending will deter confrontational moves by
Beijing.
However, Abe in the past has been known for controversial statements
on Japan's wartime history, leading to fears that a loose comment
could set off new tensions in Asia.
Clinton said that US officials "applaud the early steps" taken by Abe
and hoped that new leaders in Japan and China would "get off to a good
start."
Separately, Clinton said that the United States and Japan wanted
"strong action" at the UN Security Council on North Korea, which put a
satellite into orbit last month in a launch the two allies fear could
bolster Pyongyang's missile capabilities.
Diplomats at the United Nations said the United States and China,
North Korea's main ally, had reached a compromise under which the
Security Council would expand existing sanctions against Pyongyang.
The talks between Clinton and Kishida also focused on the hostage
crisis in Algeria, with the two diplomats pressing the North African
nation to release more information about a massive kidnapping at a
desert gas field.
Addressing one point of friction, Kishida promised that Japan would
sign the Hague treaty on child abductions. Hundreds of US parents have
complained that they have no recourse if ex-partners take their
children to Japan.
A previous left-leaning government had committed but not taken action
on joining the Hague convention, which requires the return of
wrongfully held children to the nations where they usually live.
the holy cow to safeguard. even at the cost of a major war, despite
the fact that the USSR as the other major victor of the Allied Forces
had agreed to dissolve the Warsaw Pact, even before knowing about its
own dissolution, a long time ago.
China under Chiang Kai-shek was supposed to be one of the big four of
the Allied Forces. But the United States awarded the "administration"
of Diaoyutai Islands, not back to its "big four" ally, but to Japan,
the major enemy who had actually attacked the United States to provoke
the war in the first place.
(Of course, the United States government rubbed China's collective
nose in the dirt and of course, it knows that Japan will be forever
grateful and therefore be a willing puppet forever since not only its
horrendous crimes committed against humanity were overlooked, but also
it was given the explicit authority to administer the islands they had
stolen from China in the first place - during the Meiji era.)
This shows that the talk of democracy and freedom and of human rights
by the United States government is phony. It doesn't care about the
right and wrong. It only cares about what is beneficial or profitable
to its hegemonic agenda.
lo yeeOn
Clinton stands by Japan on China island row
Saturday, 19 January, 2013, 8:36am
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1131511/clinton-stands-japan-china-island-row
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton issued a veiled warning to China
not to challenge Japan's control of disputed islands as Tokyo's new
government vowed not to aggravate tensions.
Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida met with Clinton on the first trip by a
top Japanese official since Japan's conservatives returned to power
last month. Clinton announced that Prime Minister Shinzo Abe would
visit in February.
Amid signs that China is testing control over virtually uninhabited
islands in the East China Sea, Clinton said the area was under Japan's
administration and hence protected under a US security treaty with
Tokyo. "We oppose any unilateral actions that would seek to undermine
Japanese administration," Clinton told a joint news conference with
Kishida.
Clinton did not mention Beijing directly in the warning, but said: "We
want to see China and Japan resolve this matter peacefully through
dialogue."
"We do not want to see any action taken by anyone that could raise
tensions or result in miscalculation that would undermine the peace,
security and economic growth in this region," she said.
The United States insists it is neutral on the ultimate sovereignty of
the islands - known as the Senkaku in Japanese and the Diaoyu in
Chinese - but that they are under the de facto administration of Japan.
China has repeatedly criticized the US position and sent maritime
surveillance ships to the potentially gas-rich area, a move that
experts see as a way to contest the notion that Japan holds effective
control.
Abe has been known throughout his career as a hawk on national
security. But Kishida took a measured tone on China while in
Washington, describing the relationship with Beijing as "one of the
most important" for Japan.
"While Japan will not concede and will uphold our fundamental
positions that the Senkaku islands are an inherent territory of Japan,
we intend to respond calmly so as not to provoke China," Kishida said.
Kishida welcomed Clinton's support, saying that the statement on the
security treaty "will go against any unilateral action that would
infringe upon the administration rights of Japan."
US officials and pundits have largely welcomed the return of the
Liberal Democratic Party, believing that Abe's firm positions and
pledges to boost military spending will deter confrontational moves by
Beijing.
However, Abe in the past has been known for controversial statements
on Japan's wartime history, leading to fears that a loose comment
could set off new tensions in Asia.
Clinton said that US officials "applaud the early steps" taken by Abe
and hoped that new leaders in Japan and China would "get off to a good
start."
Separately, Clinton said that the United States and Japan wanted
"strong action" at the UN Security Council on North Korea, which put a
satellite into orbit last month in a launch the two allies fear could
bolster Pyongyang's missile capabilities.
Diplomats at the United Nations said the United States and China,
North Korea's main ally, had reached a compromise under which the
Security Council would expand existing sanctions against Pyongyang.
The talks between Clinton and Kishida also focused on the hostage
crisis in Algeria, with the two diplomats pressing the North African
nation to release more information about a massive kidnapping at a
desert gas field.
Addressing one point of friction, Kishida promised that Japan would
sign the Hague treaty on child abductions. Hundreds of US parents have
complained that they have no recourse if ex-partners take their
children to Japan.
A previous left-leaning government had committed but not taken action
on joining the Hague convention, which requires the return of
wrongfully held children to the nations where they usually live.
ltl...@hotmail.com
Jan 19, 2013, 8:08:39 AM1/19/13
to
On 1月19日, 上午1時07分, acous...@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:
> Forget history and geography! What we said after the war shall remain
> the holy cow to safeguard. even at the cost of a major war, despite
> the fact that the USSR as the other major victor of the Allied Forces
> had agreed to dissolve the Warsaw Pact, even before knowing about its
> own dissolution, a long time ago.
>
> China under Chiang Kai-shek was supposed to be one of the big four of
> the Allied Forces. But the United States awarded the "administration"
> of Diaoyutai Islands, not back to its "big four" ally, but to Japan,
> the major enemy who had actually attacked the United States to provoke
> the war in the first place.
>
> (Of course, the United States government rubbed China's collective
> nose in the dirt and of course, it knows that Japan will be forever
> grateful and therefore be a willing puppet forever since not only its
> horrendous crimes committed against humanity were overlooked, but also
> it was given the explicit authority to administer the islands they had
> stolen from China in the first place - during the Meiji era.)
>
> This shows that the talk of democracy and freedom and of human rights
> by the United States government is phony. It doesn't care about the
> right and wrong. It only cares about what is beneficial or profitable
> to its hegemonic agenda.
>
> lo yeeOn
>
> Clinton stands by Japan on China island row
> Saturday, 19 January, 2013, 8:36am
>
> http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1131511/clinton-stands-japan-c...
> Forget history and geography! What we said after the war shall remain
> the holy cow to safeguard. even at the cost of a major war, despite
> the fact that the USSR as the other major victor of the Allied Forces
> had agreed to dissolve the Warsaw Pact, even before knowing about its
> own dissolution, a long time ago.
>
> China under Chiang Kai-shek was supposed to be one of the big four of
> the Allied Forces. But the United States awarded the "administration"
> of Diaoyutai Islands, not back to its "big four" ally, but to Japan,
> the major enemy who had actually attacked the United States to provoke
> the war in the first place.
>
> (Of course, the United States government rubbed China's collective
> nose in the dirt and of course, it knows that Japan will be forever
> grateful and therefore be a willing puppet forever since not only its
> horrendous crimes committed against humanity were overlooked, but also
> it was given the explicit authority to administer the islands they had
> stolen from China in the first place - during the Meiji era.)
>
> This shows that the talk of democracy and freedom and of human rights
> by the United States government is phony. It doesn't care about the
> right and wrong. It only cares about what is beneficial or profitable
> to its hegemonic agenda.
>
> lo yeeOn
>
> Clinton stands by Japan on China island row
> Saturday, 19 January, 2013, 8:36am
>
What is the basis of America's right on giving the administrate right
to Daioyutai?
Did America know something that China did not know? Of course not.
So,
America was acting on the principle of might makes right. At present,
neither side
would concede sovereignty. The only solution is might makes right.
Albert K. Fung
Jan 19, 2013, 8:59:40 AM1/19/13
to
ltlee:
> America is totally hyprocritical. concerning Diaoyutai
> What is the basis of America's right on giving the administrate right
> to Daioyutai?
> Did America know something that China did not know? Of course not.
> So,
> America was acting on the principle of might makes right. At present,
> neither side
> would concede sovereignty. The only solution is might makes right.
As the hegemony of the post-modern world ....
The American Empire has the right, and means, to impose its
own order. That has always been the prerogative and long es-
tablished tradition of hyperpowers throughout history. There
is not any way to satisfy all parties and there is not right
or wrong. But it must be done for peace and order.
The Roman and British Empires did that routinely ....
PS: If China does not like it, she can always fire the first
salvo. In that case, the dispute will be settled by war.
Which was also a traditional means of human kind to set-
tle uncompromisable disputes.
Regards,
Albert K. Fung
Oscar-By-The-Sea, TKO, HK.
> America is totally hyprocritical. concerning Diaoyutai
> What is the basis of America's right on giving the administrate right
> to Daioyutai?
> Did America know something that China did not know? Of course not.
> So,
> America was acting on the principle of might makes right. At present,
> neither side
> would concede sovereignty. The only solution is might makes right.
The American Empire has the right, and means, to impose its
own order. That has always been the prerogative and long es-
tablished tradition of hyperpowers throughout history. There
is not any way to satisfy all parties and there is not right
or wrong. But it must be done for peace and order.
The Roman and British Empires did that routinely ....
PS: If China does not like it, she can always fire the first
salvo. In that case, the dispute will be settled by war.
Which was also a traditional means of human kind to set-
tle uncompromisable disputes.
Regards,
Albert K. Fung
Oscar-By-The-Sea, TKO, HK.
rst9
Jan 19, 2013, 10:30:56 AM1/19/13
to
On Jan 19, 5:59 am, "Albert K. Fung" <akwf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ltlee:
>
> > America is totally hyprocritical. concerning Diaoyutai
> > What is the basis of America's right on giving the administrate right
> > to Daioyutai?
> > Did America know something that China did not know? Of course not.
> > So,
> > America was acting on the principle of might makes right. At present,
> > neither side
> > would concede sovereignty. The only solution is might makes right.
>
> As the hegemony of the post-modern world ....
>
> The American Empire has the right, and means, to impose its
> own order.
Albert Fung is very short sighted.
> ltlee:
>
> > America is totally hyprocritical. concerning Diaoyutai
> > What is the basis of America's right on giving the administrate right
> > to Daioyutai?
> > Did America know something that China did not know? Of course not.
> > So,
> > America was acting on the principle of might makes right. At present,
> > neither side
> > would concede sovereignty. The only solution is might makes right.
>
> As the hegemony of the post-modern world ....
>
> The American Empire has the right, and means, to impose its
> own order.
He can not see through the burqa the result of the Iraq War, the
Afghanistan War, and the Vietnam War, and the war against Al Qaeda
that we can not impose our will on any kind of order around the world.
China is a huge country with 4 times our population. China has
nuclear weapons, ICBMs, and probably can make weapons a lot faster
than we can. A war against China is unthinkable, and Hillary Clinton
is another one those people who carry a big stick, but can not use it.
> That has always been the prerogative and long es-
> tablished tradition of hyperpowers throughout history.
because power grows out of the barrel of the gun. Now, Asians have
learned. They can and will fight back.
> There
> is not any way to satisfy all parties and there is not right
> or wrong. But it must be done for peace and order.
There is no chance China will let America dictate in this world.
>
> The Roman and British Empires did that routinely ....
>
> PS: If China does not like it,
feet.
> she can always fire the first
> salvo. In that case, the dispute will be settled by war.
> Which was also a traditional means of human kind to set-
> tle uncompromisable disputes.
Power grows out of the barrel of the gun, and might makes right.
China has learned the lesson the hard way.
rst9
Jan 19, 2013, 10:38:32 AM1/19/13
to
On Jan 18, 10:07 pm, acous...@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:
> Forget history and geography! What we said after the war shall remain
> the holy cow to safeguard. even at the cost of a major war, despite
> the fact that the USSR as the other major victor of the Allied Forces
> had agreed to dissolve the Warsaw Pact, even before knowing about its
> own dissolution, a long time ago.
>
> China under Chiang Kai-shek was supposed to be one of the big four of
> the Allied Forces. But the United States awarded the "administration"
> of Diaoyutai Islands, not back to its "big four" ally, but to Japan,
> the major enemy who had actually attacked the United States to provoke
> the war in the first place.
>
> (Of course, the United States government rubbed China's collective
> nose in the dirt and of course, it knows that Japan will be forever
> grateful and therefore be a willing puppet forever since not only its
> horrendous crimes committed against humanity were overlooked, but also
> it was given the explicit authority to administer the islands they had
> stolen from China in the first place - during the Meiji era.)
>
> This shows that the talk of democracy and freedom and of human rights
> by the United States government is phony. It doesn't care about the
> right and wrong. It only cares about what is beneficial or profitable
> to its hegemonic agenda.
>
> lo yeeOn
>
> Clinton stands by Japan on China island row
> Saturday, 19 January, 2013, 8:36am
>
> http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1131511/clinton-stands-japan-c...
> Forget history and geography! What we said after the war shall remain
> the holy cow to safeguard. even at the cost of a major war, despite
> the fact that the USSR as the other major victor of the Allied Forces
> had agreed to dissolve the Warsaw Pact, even before knowing about its
> own dissolution, a long time ago.
>
> China under Chiang Kai-shek was supposed to be one of the big four of
> the Allied Forces. But the United States awarded the "administration"
> of Diaoyutai Islands, not back to its "big four" ally, but to Japan,
> the major enemy who had actually attacked the United States to provoke
> the war in the first place.
>
> (Of course, the United States government rubbed China's collective
> nose in the dirt and of course, it knows that Japan will be forever
> grateful and therefore be a willing puppet forever since not only its
> horrendous crimes committed against humanity were overlooked, but also
> it was given the explicit authority to administer the islands they had
> stolen from China in the first place - during the Meiji era.)
>
> This shows that the talk of democracy and freedom and of human rights
> by the United States government is phony. It doesn't care about the
> right and wrong. It only cares about what is beneficial or profitable
> to its hegemonic agenda.
>
> lo yeeOn
>
> Clinton stands by Japan on China island row
> Saturday, 19 January, 2013, 8:36am
>
>
> US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton issued a veiled warning to China
> not to challenge Japan's control of disputed islands as Tokyo's new
> government vowed not to aggravate tensions.
I think China has taken a very strong stand on Diaoyu Islands already.
> US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton issued a veiled warning to China
> not to challenge Japan's control of disputed islands as Tokyo's new
> government vowed not to aggravate tensions.
China has declared those islands as their sovereignty is ready to
fight for it.
I think now is up to the United States to either back down or fight
for it.
I don't think China will back down. There is too much at stake for
China.
Axis of Evil
Jan 19, 2013, 11:23:56 PM1/19/13
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to say..
rst9
Jan 19, 2013, 11:52:22 PM1/19/13
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On Jan 19, 8:23 pm, Axis of Evil <6...@666.666> wrote:
America is not shy to say. They are saying it loud and clear.
CPC , Chinese Imperialist Communist Party of CHINA , the New Imperialist Force in ASEAN
Jan 20, 2013, 7:29:27 PM1/20/13
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USA has only existed for over 200 years .
TAIWAN and DIAO YU TAI has existed since the SUNG
dynasty .
TAIWAN and DIAO YU TAI has existed since the SUNG
dynasty .
CPC , Chinese Imperialist Communist Party of CHINA , the New Imperialist Force in ASEAN
Jan 20, 2013, 7:30:39 PM1/20/13
to
just push 20 million CHINESE
to stay in DIAO YU TAI .
to stay in DIAO YU TAI .
Xi JINPING , Head of the CPC , Communist Party of CHINA
Jan 20, 2013, 7:38:42 PM1/20/13
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CHANGES are in the AIR ?
this will determine the CHANGE
in THE
BALANCE of POWER in THE FAR EAST .
the BALANCE of POWER is evolving
and
US is determining to stop
a
CHANGE in THE BALANCE of POWER ./
this will determine the CHANGE
in THE
BALANCE of POWER in THE FAR EAST .
the BALANCE of POWER is evolving
and
US is determining to stop
a
CHANGE in THE BALANCE of POWER ./
rst9
Jan 20, 2013, 10:08:32 PM1/20/13
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On Jan 20, 4:38 pm, "Xi JINPING , Head of the CPC , Communist
stop a bunch of mountain men in Afghanistan?
>
Party of CHINA" <abalwaleedbinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> CHANGES are in the AIR ?
>
> this will determine the CHANGE
> in THE
> BALANCE of POWER in THE FAR EAST .
>
> the BALANCE of POWER is evolving
> and
>
> US is determining to stop
> a
>
> CHANGE in THE BALANCE of POWER ./
How can we stop a "change in the balance of power" when we can't even
> CHANGES are in the AIR ?
>
> this will determine the CHANGE
> in THE
> BALANCE of POWER in THE FAR EAST .
>
> the BALANCE of POWER is evolving
> and
>
> US is determining to stop
> a
>
> CHANGE in THE BALANCE of POWER ./
stop a bunch of mountain men in Afghanistan?
>
rst9
Jan 20, 2013, 10:10:31 PM1/20/13
to
On Jan 20, 4:30 pm, "CPC , Chinese Imperialist Communist Party of
CHINA , the New Imperialist Force in ASEAN"
5,000 will do nicely.
CHINA , the New Imperialist Force in ASEAN"
<communistpartyofchin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> just push 20 million CHINESE
> to stay in DIAO YU TAI .
>
Don't need to put 20 million there.
> just push 20 million CHINESE
> to stay in DIAO YU TAI .
>
5,000 will do nicely.
ltl...@hotmail.com
Jan 23, 2013, 12:43:25 PM1/23/13
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On 1月20日, 下午7時38分, "Xi JINPING , Head of the CPC , Communist
There is more to Diaoyutai than meet the eyes. One way to describe it
is
to distinguish between 人 (people or the particular situation )and 陣
(the
overall situation) as in the Chinese saying, 輸人不輸陣.
As soon as China has decided not to respect Japan's administrative
rights
given by the US to Japan, the US knows that it has lost 陣 (the
overall
situation). The only thing it can do is to maintain status quo through
not
losing 人 , the particular, here and now situation. As long as war is
prevented,
the US can point to it and claim superficial supremacy over the
region.
Party of CHINA" <abalwaleedbinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> CHANGES are in the AIR ?
>
> this will determine the CHANGE
> in THE
> BALANCE of POWER in THE FAR EAST .
>
> the BALANCE of POWER is evolving
> and
>
> US is determining to stop
> a
>
> CHANGE in THE BALANCE of POWER ./
The US is trying. But it has already lost.
>
> this will determine the CHANGE
> in THE
> BALANCE of POWER in THE FAR EAST .
>
> the BALANCE of POWER is evolving
> and
>
> US is determining to stop
> a
>
> CHANGE in THE BALANCE of POWER ./
There is more to Diaoyutai than meet the eyes. One way to describe it
is
to distinguish between 人 (people or the particular situation )and 陣
(the
overall situation) as in the Chinese saying, 輸人不輸陣.
As soon as China has decided not to respect Japan's administrative
rights
given by the US to Japan, the US knows that it has lost 陣 (the
overall
situation). The only thing it can do is to maintain status quo through
not
losing 人 , the particular, here and now situation. As long as war is
prevented,
the US can point to it and claim superficial supremacy over the
region.
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