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Nov 22, 2009, 2:00:24 AM11/22/09
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Pardon moi but even in RAK's unabashedly reductionist self he'd thought
at the very least it's G4?

From America's cousin:

* * * *
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/a-group-of-two-on-chinas-terms/article1367366/

A group of two on China's terms

The new reality of a powerful alliance sets in as Obama struggles to
make strides on issues of trade and human rights, finding a lack of
common ground with an increasingly assertive China

----

Mark Mackinnon

Beijing � Published on Tuesday, Nov. 17, 2009 9:55PM EST Last updated on
Thursday, Nov. 19, 2009 2:47AM EST

Twenty years after tanks crushed a student uprising on Tiananmen Square
� marking the lowest point in recent U.S.-China relations � the
President of the United States found himself standing in a building on
the same plaza, acknowledging Beijing as a near-equal.

The G2, it appears, will work very differently than the old U.S.-China
relationship, which frequently saw Washington make demands that China
often had no choice but to accede to.

A newly assertive China, a growing military power that is also expected
to soon pass Japan as the world's second-largest economy, stood ready to
confront Barack Obama.

The Chinese leadership emerged from 21/2-hour summit talks here having
given no ground on its positions regarding trade, human rights, and the
Iranian and North Korean nuclear programs.

A post-meeting briefing with the two presidents left observers with
little doubt that China has grown more confident.

Hu Jintao and Mr. Obama were placed at podiums set up far apart on a
stage inside the imposing Great Hall of the People, looking stiff and
uncomfortable with one another.

They gave differing accounts of what was said during their meeting, and
because the Chinese allowed no questions, the message delivered by the
usually loquacious Mr. Obama appeared muted.

Mr. Hu made a pointed statement about the need for the two countries to
�oppose and reject protectionism,� an obvious stab at new tariffs
applied to some Chinese goods entering the United States. Mr. Obama
highlighted previous Chinese promises to release its currency, the yuan,
from an artificially low peg. But he appeared to have received no new
promises on that front.

Mr. Obama also chided his hosts � as he did Monday at a
question-and-answer session with university students in Shanghai that
his hosts kept off the main Chinese television networks � about the need
to allow greater rights and freedoms. And he likely riled Mr. Hu by
suggesting that he should meet with the Dalai Lama, the exiled Tibetan
spiritual leader whom Beijing considers a dangerous separatist.

But on a day when several prominent Chinese dissidents were forced to
leave Beijing so that they couldn't have any contact with the U.S.
delegation, Mr. Obama's admonitions appeared to be intended only to
appease domestic critics who accuse him of being soft on China's
authoritarian regime.

�Nobody's talking down to the Chinese in any of these documents,� said
Richard Baum, a professor of political science at the University of
California, Los Angeles, referring to the joint statement issued by the
two sides. �That's fairly new and I think that's significant. I think
the relationship has changed and it has changed to the satisfaction of
the Chinese.�

Mr. Obama himself highlighted the shifting balance of power, noting that
�the relationship between the United States and China has never been
more important to our collective future.�

But as this new reality set in, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs was
forced to concede the lack of common ground.

�I do not expect, and I can speak authoritatively for the President on
this, that we thought the waters would part and everything would change
over the course of our almost 21/2-day trip to China. We understand
there's a lot of work to do and that we'll continue to work hard at
making more progress.�

The change has come rapidly. Ahead of Bill Clinton's 1998 trip to
Beijing, a then eager-to-please Chinese government released two
high-profile dissidents, Wei Jingsheng and Wang Dan, into exile in the
United States. This time the Chinese made no such concessions, and
Tuesday even briefly arrested an American woman who was waiting outside
the U.S. embassy in Beijing, hoping to deliver a letter to Mr. Obama
about her jailed Chinese husband.

When Mr. Clinton travelled to Beijing to meet Mr. Hu's predecessor,
Jiang Zemin, China was grateful for the attention after nearly a decade
of diplomatic isolation after the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown. But
now it's the U.S. � weakened by two wars and a recession � that finds
itself on the back foot. Mr. Obama's visit marked the first time a U.S.
president had travelled to Beijing during his first year in office.

�Ever since the end of the Cold War, the U.S. was the only remaining
superpower in the world and they are accustomed to conducting themselves
internationally as though they are the only superpower. But now there is
a growing China, a rising China, which is a challenge for the U.S., as
well as for China,� said Victor Gao, director of the Beijing-based China
National Association of International Studies and an interpreter for
former Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping.

Penang

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Nov 22, 2009, 8:35:02 AM11/22/09
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The one of the many problems of the West is this --- They still think
that the rest of the world needs to kneel to them.

And this in itself is contradictory to their own "equality" doctrine.

Why should the rest of the world kneel to the West if everyone is
"equal"?

On Nov 21, 7:00 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Pardon moi but even in RAK's unabashedly reductionist self he'd thought
> at the very least it's G4?
>
>  From America's cousin:
>

> * * * *http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/a-group-of-two-on-chinas-te...


>
> A group of two on China's terms
>
> The new reality of a powerful alliance sets in as Obama struggles to
> make strides on issues of trade and human rights, finding a lack of
> common ground with an increasingly assertive China
>
> ----
>
> Mark Mackinnon
>

> Beijing — Published on Tuesday, Nov. 17, 2009 9:55PM EST Last updated on


> Thursday, Nov. 19, 2009 2:47AM EST
>
> Twenty years after tanks crushed a student uprising on Tiananmen Square

> – marking the lowest point in recent U.S.-China relations – the


> President of the United States found himself standing in a building on
> the same plaza, acknowledging Beijing as a near-equal.
>
> The G2, it appears, will work very differently than the old U.S.-China
> relationship, which frequently saw Washington make demands that China
> often had no choice but to accede to.
>
> A newly assertive China, a growing military power that is also expected
> to soon pass Japan as the world's second-largest economy, stood ready to
> confront Barack Obama.
>
> The Chinese leadership emerged from 21/2-hour summit talks here having
> given no ground on its positions regarding trade, human rights, and the
> Iranian and North Korean nuclear programs.
>
> A post-meeting briefing with the two presidents left observers with
> little doubt that China has grown more confident.
>
> Hu Jintao and Mr. Obama were placed at podiums set up far apart on a
> stage inside the imposing Great Hall of the People, looking stiff and
> uncomfortable with one another.
>
> They gave differing accounts of what was said during their meeting, and
> because the Chinese allowed no questions, the message delivered by the
> usually loquacious Mr. Obama appeared muted.
>
> Mr. Hu made a pointed statement about the need for the two countries to

> “oppose and reject protectionism,” an obvious stab at new tariffs


> applied to some Chinese goods entering the United States. Mr. Obama
> highlighted previous Chinese promises to release its currency, the yuan,
> from an artificially low peg. But he appeared to have received no new
> promises on that front.
>

> Mr. Obama also chided his hosts – as he did Monday at a


> question-and-answer session with university students in Shanghai that

> his hosts kept off the main Chinese television networks – about the need


> to allow greater rights and freedoms. And he likely riled Mr. Hu by
> suggesting that he should meet with the Dalai Lama, the exiled Tibetan
> spiritual leader whom Beijing considers a dangerous separatist.
>
> But on a day when several prominent Chinese dissidents were forced to
> leave Beijing so that they couldn't have any contact with the U.S.
> delegation, Mr. Obama's admonitions appeared to be intended only to
> appease domestic critics who accuse him of being soft on China's
> authoritarian regime.
>

> “Nobody's talking down to the Chinese in any of these documents,” said


> Richard Baum, a professor of political science at the University of
> California, Los Angeles, referring to the joint statement issued by the

> two sides. “That's fairly new and I think that's significant. I think


> the relationship has changed and it has changed to the satisfaction of

> the Chinese.”


>
> Mr. Obama himself highlighted the shifting balance of power, noting that

> “the relationship between the United States and China has never been
> more important to our collective future.”


>
> But as this new reality set in, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs was
> forced to concede the lack of common ground.
>

> “I do not expect, and I can speak authoritatively for the President on


> this, that we thought the waters would part and everything would change
> over the course of our almost 21/2-day trip to China. We understand
> there's a lot of work to do and that we'll continue to work hard at

> making more progress.”


>
> The change has come rapidly. Ahead of Bill Clinton's 1998 trip to
> Beijing, a then eager-to-please Chinese government released two
> high-profile dissidents, Wei Jingsheng and Wang Dan, into exile in the
> United States. This time the Chinese made no such concessions, and
> Tuesday even briefly arrested an American woman who was waiting outside
> the U.S. embassy in Beijing, hoping to deliver a letter to Mr. Obama
> about her jailed Chinese husband.
>
> When Mr. Clinton travelled to Beijing to meet Mr. Hu's predecessor,
> Jiang Zemin, China was grateful for the attention after nearly a decade
> of diplomatic isolation after the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown. But

> now it's the U.S. – weakened by two wars and a recession – that finds


> itself on the back foot. Mr. Obama's visit marked the first time a U.S.
> president had travelled to Beijing during his first year in office.
>

> “Ever since the end of the Cold War, the U.S. was the only remaining


> superpower in the world and they are accustomed to conducting themselves
> internationally as though they are the only superpower. But now there is
> a growing China, a rising China, which is a challenge for the U.S., as

> well as for China,” said Victor Gao, director of the Beijing-based China

RichAsianKid

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:03:19 PM11/22/09
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Penang wrote:
> The one of the many problems of the West is this --- They still think
> that the rest of the world needs to kneel to them.
>
> And this in itself is contradictory to their own "equality" doctrine.
>
> Why should the rest of the world kneel to the West if everyone is
> "equal"?

Because only the rich can afford to look poor. (I love wearing
tethered cargo shorts & totally sloshed [5 shots in 10 minutes] 1st
class say. Hahaha!!!)

As for the West's contradiction, can I post this amren.com link for the
rest of the posters here -- from 10 years ago?

http://www.amren.com/conference/1998/1995jared_taylor.mp3

Equality vs diversity. Another (or same?) Western contradiction?

And oh btw this Caucasian speaker, Jared Taylor, as also quoted before
has a history of making good sense. In fact extraordinary good sense by
Western standards. Hmmmm. Can't imagine if growing up in Japan and also
speaking fluent Japanese had nothing to do with it. (ref
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Taylor) Who knows, if born again & of
the right ancestry, he could even be one of ours. :)


>
> On Nov 21, 7:00 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Pardon moi but even in RAK's unabashedly reductionist self he'd thought
>> at the very least it's G4?
>>
>> From America's cousin:
>>
>> * * * *http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/a-group-of-two-on-chinas-te...
>>
>> A group of two on China's terms
>>
>> The new reality of a powerful alliance sets in as Obama struggles to
>> make strides on issues of trade and human rights, finding a lack of
>> common ground with an increasingly assertive China
>>
>> ----
>>
>> Mark Mackinnon
>>

>> Beijing � Published on Tuesday, Nov. 17, 2009 9:55PM EST Last updated on


>> Thursday, Nov. 19, 2009 2:47AM EST
>>
>> Twenty years after tanks crushed a student uprising on Tiananmen Square

>> � marking the lowest point in recent U.S.-China relations � the


>> President of the United States found himself standing in a building on
>> the same plaza, acknowledging Beijing as a near-equal.
>>
>> The G2, it appears, will work very differently than the old U.S.-China
>> relationship, which frequently saw Washington make demands that China
>> often had no choice but to accede to.
>>
>> A newly assertive China, a growing military power that is also expected
>> to soon pass Japan as the world's second-largest economy, stood ready to
>> confront Barack Obama.
>>
>> The Chinese leadership emerged from 21/2-hour summit talks here having
>> given no ground on its positions regarding trade, human rights, and the
>> Iranian and North Korean nuclear programs.
>>
>> A post-meeting briefing with the two presidents left observers with
>> little doubt that China has grown more confident.
>>
>> Hu Jintao and Mr. Obama were placed at podiums set up far apart on a
>> stage inside the imposing Great Hall of the People, looking stiff and
>> uncomfortable with one another.
>>
>> They gave differing accounts of what was said during their meeting, and
>> because the Chinese allowed no questions, the message delivered by the
>> usually loquacious Mr. Obama appeared muted.
>>
>> Mr. Hu made a pointed statement about the need for the two countries to

>> �oppose and reject protectionism,� an obvious stab at new tariffs


>> applied to some Chinese goods entering the United States. Mr. Obama
>> highlighted previous Chinese promises to release its currency, the yuan,
>> from an artificially low peg. But he appeared to have received no new
>> promises on that front.
>>

>> Mr. Obama also chided his hosts � as he did Monday at a


>> question-and-answer session with university students in Shanghai that

>> his hosts kept off the main Chinese television networks � about the need


>> to allow greater rights and freedoms. And he likely riled Mr. Hu by
>> suggesting that he should meet with the Dalai Lama, the exiled Tibetan
>> spiritual leader whom Beijing considers a dangerous separatist.
>>
>> But on a day when several prominent Chinese dissidents were forced to
>> leave Beijing so that they couldn't have any contact with the U.S.
>> delegation, Mr. Obama's admonitions appeared to be intended only to
>> appease domestic critics who accuse him of being soft on China's
>> authoritarian regime.
>>

>> �Nobody's talking down to the Chinese in any of these documents,� said


>> Richard Baum, a professor of political science at the University of
>> California, Los Angeles, referring to the joint statement issued by the

>> two sides. �That's fairly new and I think that's significant. I think


>> the relationship has changed and it has changed to the satisfaction of

>> the Chinese.�


>>
>> Mr. Obama himself highlighted the shifting balance of power, noting that

>> �the relationship between the United States and China has never been
>> more important to our collective future.�


>>
>> But as this new reality set in, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs was
>> forced to concede the lack of common ground.
>>

>> �I do not expect, and I can speak authoritatively for the President on


>> this, that we thought the waters would part and everything would change
>> over the course of our almost 21/2-day trip to China. We understand
>> there's a lot of work to do and that we'll continue to work hard at

>> making more progress.�


>>
>> The change has come rapidly. Ahead of Bill Clinton's 1998 trip to
>> Beijing, a then eager-to-please Chinese government released two
>> high-profile dissidents, Wei Jingsheng and Wang Dan, into exile in the
>> United States. This time the Chinese made no such concessions, and
>> Tuesday even briefly arrested an American woman who was waiting outside
>> the U.S. embassy in Beijing, hoping to deliver a letter to Mr. Obama
>> about her jailed Chinese husband.
>>
>> When Mr. Clinton travelled to Beijing to meet Mr. Hu's predecessor,
>> Jiang Zemin, China was grateful for the attention after nearly a decade
>> of diplomatic isolation after the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown. But

>> now it's the U.S. � weakened by two wars and a recession � that finds


>> itself on the back foot. Mr. Obama's visit marked the first time a U.S.
>> president had travelled to Beijing during his first year in office.
>>

>> �Ever since the end of the Cold War, the U.S. was the only remaining


>> superpower in the world and they are accustomed to conducting themselves
>> internationally as though they are the only superpower. But now there is
>> a growing China, a rising China, which is a challenge for the U.S., as

>> well as for China,� said Victor Gao, director of the Beijing-based China

rst9

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:44:59 PM11/22/09
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On Nov 22, 3:03 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Penang wrote:
> > The one of the many problems of the West is this --- They still think
> > that the rest of the world needs to kneel to them.
>
> > And this in itself is contradictory to their own "equality" doctrine.
>
> > Why should the rest of the world kneel to the West if everyone is
> > "equal"?
>
> Because only the rich can afford to look poor. (I love wearing
> tethered cargo shorts & totally sloshed [5 shots in 10 minutes] 1st
> class say. Hahaha!!!)

That's why you are "PoorAsianTramp", PAT for short, like a football
after a touchdown.

>
> As for the West's contradiction, can I post this amren.com link for the
> rest of the posters here -- from 10 years ago?
>
>      http://www.amren.com/conference/1998/1995jared_taylor.mp3
>
> Equality vs diversity. Another (or same?) Western contradiction?

There is no western contradiction. The White's still believe in
Rudyard Kipling's "White man's burden".

>
> And oh btw this Caucasian speaker, Jared Taylor, as also quoted before
> has a history of making good sense. In fact extraordinary good sense by
> Western standards. Hmmmm. Can't imagine if growing up in Japan and also

> speaking fluent Japanese had nothing to do with it. (refhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Taylor) Who knows, if born again & of

Jesus Christ , a long - term fucker of the Prostitute St . Mary 's cunt hole , is an Unique Son of GOD

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Nov 22, 2009, 11:51:48 PM11/22/09
to
there is no G-2

il n' y a pas de G-2


n Nov 22, 2:00 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Pardon moi but even in RAK's unabashedly reductionist self he'd thought
> at the very least it's G4?
>
>  From America's cousin:
>

> * * * *http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/a-group-of-two-on-chinas-te...


>
> A group of two on China's terms
>
> The new reality of a powerful alliance sets in as Obama struggles to
> make strides on issues of trade and human rights, finding a lack of
> common ground with an increasingly assertive China
>
> ----
>
> Mark Mackinnon
>

> Beijing — Published on Tuesday, Nov. 17, 2009 9:55PM EST Last updated on


> Thursday, Nov. 19, 2009 2:47AM EST
>
> Twenty years after tanks crushed a student uprising on Tiananmen Square

> – marking the lowest point in recent U.S.-China relations – the


> President of the United States found himself standing in a building on
> the same plaza, acknowledging Beijing as a near-equal.
>
> The G2, it appears, will work very differently than the old U.S.-China
> relationship, which frequently saw Washington make demands that China
> often had no choice but to accede to.
>
> A newly assertive China, a growing military power that is also expected
> to soon pass Japan as the world's second-largest economy, stood ready to
> confront Barack Obama.
>
> The Chinese leadership emerged from 21/2-hour summit talks here having
> given no ground on its positions regarding trade, human rights, and the
> Iranian and North Korean nuclear programs.
>
> A post-meeting briefing with the two presidents left observers with
> little doubt that China has grown more confident.
>
> Hu Jintao and Mr. Obama were placed at podiums set up far apart on a
> stage inside the imposing Great Hall of the People, looking stiff and
> uncomfortable with one another.
>
> They gave differing accounts of what was said during their meeting, and
> because the Chinese allowed no questions, the message delivered by the
> usually loquacious Mr. Obama appeared muted.
>
> Mr. Hu made a pointed statement about the need for the two countries to

> “oppose and reject protectionism,” an obvious stab at new tariffs


> applied to some Chinese goods entering the United States. Mr. Obama
> highlighted previous Chinese promises to release its currency, the yuan,
> from an artificially low peg. But he appeared to have received no new
> promises on that front.
>

> Mr. Obama also chided his hosts – as he did Monday at a


> question-and-answer session with university students in Shanghai that

> his hosts kept off the main Chinese television networks – about the need


> to allow greater rights and freedoms. And he likely riled Mr. Hu by
> suggesting that he should meet with the Dalai Lama, the exiled Tibetan
> spiritual leader whom Beijing considers a dangerous separatist.
>
> But on a day when several prominent Chinese dissidents were forced to
> leave Beijing so that they couldn't have any contact with the U.S.
> delegation, Mr. Obama's admonitions appeared to be intended only to
> appease domestic critics who accuse him of being soft on China's
> authoritarian regime.
>

> “Nobody's talking down to the Chinese in any of these documents,” said


> Richard Baum, a professor of political science at the University of
> California, Los Angeles, referring to the joint statement issued by the

> two sides. “That's fairly new and I think that's significant. I think


> the relationship has changed and it has changed to the satisfaction of

> the Chinese.”


>
> Mr. Obama himself highlighted the shifting balance of power, noting that

> “the relationship between the United States and China has never been
> more important to our collective future.”


>
> But as this new reality set in, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs was
> forced to concede the lack of common ground.
>

> “I do not expect, and I can speak authoritatively for the President on


> this, that we thought the waters would part and everything would change
> over the course of our almost 21/2-day trip to China. We understand
> there's a lot of work to do and that we'll continue to work hard at

> making more progress.”


>
> The change has come rapidly. Ahead of Bill Clinton's 1998 trip to
> Beijing, a then eager-to-please Chinese government released two
> high-profile dissidents, Wei Jingsheng and Wang Dan, into exile in the
> United States. This time the Chinese made no such concessions, and
> Tuesday even briefly arrested an American woman who was waiting outside
> the U.S. embassy in Beijing, hoping to deliver a letter to Mr. Obama
> about her jailed Chinese husband.
>
> When Mr. Clinton travelled to Beijing to meet Mr. Hu's predecessor,
> Jiang Zemin, China was grateful for the attention after nearly a decade
> of diplomatic isolation after the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown. But

> now it's the U.S. – weakened by two wars and a recession – that finds


> itself on the back foot. Mr. Obama's visit marked the first time a U.S.
> president had travelled to Beijing during his first year in office.
>

> “Ever since the end of the Cold War, the U.S. was the only remaining


> superpower in the world and they are accustomed to conducting themselves
> internationally as though they are the only superpower. But now there is
> a growing China, a rising China, which is a challenge for the U.S., as

> well as for China,” said Victor Gao, director of the Beijing-based China

Wakalukong

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Nov 23, 2009, 9:15:48 PM11/23/09
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THIEF

On Nov 23, 12:51 pm, "Jesus Christ , a long - term fucker of the
Prostitute St . Mary 's cunt hole , is THIEF an Unique Son of GOD"
<veak...@gmail.com> THIEF wrote:
> there  is  no   G-2 THIEF

THIEF

RichAsianKid

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Nov 23, 2009, 10:01:01 PM11/23/09
to
Jesus Christ , a long - term fucker of the Prostitute St . Mary 's cunt
hole , is an Unique Son of GOD wrote:
> there is no G-2
>
> il n' y a pas de G-2
>

Low class Spanish trumps high class French in 21c.

It's not even English that's number one language most spoken round
the world anyway...

>
>
>
> n Nov 22, 2:00 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Pardon moi but even in RAK's unabashedly reductionist self he'd thought
>> at the very least it's G4?
>>
>> From America's cousin:
>>
>> * * * *http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/a-group-of-two-on-chinas-te...
>>
>> A group of two on China's terms
>>
>> The new reality of a powerful alliance sets in as Obama struggles to
>> make strides on issues of trade and human rights, finding a lack of
>> common ground with an increasingly assertive China
>>
>> ----
>>
>> Mark Mackinnon
>>

>> Beijing � Published on Tuesday, Nov. 17, 2009 9:55PM EST Last updated on


>> Thursday, Nov. 19, 2009 2:47AM EST
>>
>> Twenty years after tanks crushed a student uprising on Tiananmen Square

>> � marking the lowest point in recent U.S.-China relations � the


>> President of the United States found himself standing in a building on
>> the same plaza, acknowledging Beijing as a near-equal.
>>
>> The G2, it appears, will work very differently than the old U.S.-China
>> relationship, which frequently saw Washington make demands that China
>> often had no choice but to accede to.
>>
>> A newly assertive China, a growing military power that is also expected
>> to soon pass Japan as the world's second-largest economy, stood ready to
>> confront Barack Obama.
>>
>> The Chinese leadership emerged from 21/2-hour summit talks here having
>> given no ground on its positions regarding trade, human rights, and the
>> Iranian and North Korean nuclear programs.
>>
>> A post-meeting briefing with the two presidents left observers with
>> little doubt that China has grown more confident.
>>
>> Hu Jintao and Mr. Obama were placed at podiums set up far apart on a
>> stage inside the imposing Great Hall of the People, looking stiff and
>> uncomfortable with one another.
>>
>> They gave differing accounts of what was said during their meeting, and
>> because the Chinese allowed no questions, the message delivered by the
>> usually loquacious Mr. Obama appeared muted.
>>
>> Mr. Hu made a pointed statement about the need for the two countries to

>> �oppose and reject protectionism,� an obvious stab at new tariffs


>> applied to some Chinese goods entering the United States. Mr. Obama
>> highlighted previous Chinese promises to release its currency, the yuan,
>> from an artificially low peg. But he appeared to have received no new
>> promises on that front.
>>

>> Mr. Obama also chided his hosts � as he did Monday at a


>> question-and-answer session with university students in Shanghai that

>> his hosts kept off the main Chinese television networks � about the need


>> to allow greater rights and freedoms. And he likely riled Mr. Hu by
>> suggesting that he should meet with the Dalai Lama, the exiled Tibetan
>> spiritual leader whom Beijing considers a dangerous separatist.
>>
>> But on a day when several prominent Chinese dissidents were forced to
>> leave Beijing so that they couldn't have any contact with the U.S.
>> delegation, Mr. Obama's admonitions appeared to be intended only to
>> appease domestic critics who accuse him of being soft on China's
>> authoritarian regime.
>>

>> �Nobody's talking down to the Chinese in any of these documents,� said


>> Richard Baum, a professor of political science at the University of
>> California, Los Angeles, referring to the joint statement issued by the

>> two sides. �That's fairly new and I think that's significant. I think


>> the relationship has changed and it has changed to the satisfaction of

>> the Chinese.�


>>
>> Mr. Obama himself highlighted the shifting balance of power, noting that

>> �the relationship between the United States and China has never been
>> more important to our collective future.�


>>
>> But as this new reality set in, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs was
>> forced to concede the lack of common ground.
>>

>> �I do not expect, and I can speak authoritatively for the President on


>> this, that we thought the waters would part and everything would change
>> over the course of our almost 21/2-day trip to China. We understand
>> there's a lot of work to do and that we'll continue to work hard at

>> making more progress.�


>>
>> The change has come rapidly. Ahead of Bill Clinton's 1998 trip to
>> Beijing, a then eager-to-please Chinese government released two
>> high-profile dissidents, Wei Jingsheng and Wang Dan, into exile in the
>> United States. This time the Chinese made no such concessions, and
>> Tuesday even briefly arrested an American woman who was waiting outside
>> the U.S. embassy in Beijing, hoping to deliver a letter to Mr. Obama
>> about her jailed Chinese husband.
>>
>> When Mr. Clinton travelled to Beijing to meet Mr. Hu's predecessor,
>> Jiang Zemin, China was grateful for the attention after nearly a decade
>> of diplomatic isolation after the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown. But

>> now it's the U.S. � weakened by two wars and a recession � that finds


>> itself on the back foot. Mr. Obama's visit marked the first time a U.S.
>> president had travelled to Beijing during his first year in office.
>>

>> �Ever since the end of the Cold War, the U.S. was the only remaining


>> superpower in the world and they are accustomed to conducting themselves
>> internationally as though they are the only superpower. But now there is
>> a growing China, a rising China, which is a challenge for the U.S., as

>> well as for China,� said Victor Gao, director of the Beijing-based China

RichAsianKid

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Nov 23, 2009, 10:02:09 PM11/23/09
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rst9 wrote:
> On Nov 22, 3:03 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Penang wrote:
>>> The one of the many problems of the West is this --- They still think
>>> that the rest of the world needs to kneel to them.
>>> And this in itself is contradictory to their own "equality" doctrine.
>>> Why should the rest of the world kneel to the West if everyone is
>>> "equal"?
>> Because only the rich can afford to look poor. (I love wearing
>> tethered cargo shorts & totally sloshed [5 shots in 10 minutes] 1st
>> class say. Hahaha!!!)
>
> That's why you are "PoorAsianTramp", PAT for short, like a football
> after a touchdown.

Are you now suggesting the "West" is even weaker than it appears?

>
>> As for the West's contradiction, can I post this amren.com link for the
>> rest of the posters here -- from 10 years ago?
>>
>> http://www.amren.com/conference/1998/1995jared_taylor.mp3
>>
>> Equality vs diversity. Another (or same?) Western contradiction?
>
> There is no western contradiction. The White's still believe in
> Rudyard Kipling's "White man's burden".

There are times when a sunset can be more beautiful than a sunrise. Or
is rst0wyxz revealing his bias?

the Black Fucking Learngar Cock of the Holy Boudha

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Nov 23, 2009, 10:10:00 PM11/23/09
to
true
the population which speaks Spainish is
larger than the population which speaks English .

the population which speaks Chinese is larger than
the population which speaks Spainsih .


French is reserved for REFINE people .

n Nov 23, 7:01 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Jesus Christ , a long - term fucker of the Prostitute St . Mary 's cunt
> hole , is an Unique Son of GOD wrote:
>
> > there  is  no   G-2
>
> > il  n' y a  pas  de  G-2
>
> Low class Spanish trumps high class French in 21c.
>
> It's not even English that's number one language most spoken round
> the world anyway...
>
>
>
>
>
> > n Nov 22, 2:00 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Pardon moi but even in RAK's unabashedly reductionist self he'd thought
> >> at the very least it's G4?
>
> >>  From America's cousin:
>
> >> * * * *http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/a-group-of-two-on-chinas-te...
>
> >> A group of two on China's terms
>
> >> The new reality of a powerful alliance sets in as Obama struggles to
> >> make strides on issues of trade and human rights, finding a lack of
> >> common ground with an increasingly assertive China
>
> >> ----
>
> >> Mark Mackinnon
>

> >> Beijing — Published on Tuesday, Nov. 17, 2009 9:55PM EST Last updated on


> >> Thursday, Nov. 19, 2009 2:47AM EST
>
> >> Twenty years after tanks crushed a student uprising on Tiananmen Square

> >> – marking the lowest point in recent U.S.-China relations – the


> >> President of the United States found himself standing in a building on
> >> the same plaza, acknowledging Beijing as a near-equal.
>
> >> The G2, it appears, will work very differently than the old U.S.-China
> >> relationship, which frequently saw Washington make demands that China
> >> often had no choice but to accede to.
>
> >> A newly assertive China, a growing military power that is also expected
> >> to soon pass Japan as the world's second-largest economy, stood ready to
> >> confront Barack Obama.
>
> >> The Chinese leadership emerged from 21/2-hour summit talks here having
> >> given no ground on its positions regarding trade, human rights, and the
> >> Iranian and North Korean nuclear programs.
>
> >> A post-meeting briefing with the two presidents left observers with
> >> little doubt that China has grown more confident.
>
> >> Hu Jintao and Mr. Obama were placed at podiums set up far apart on a
> >> stage inside the imposing Great Hall of the People, looking stiff and
> >> uncomfortable with one another.
>
> >> They gave differing accounts of what was said during their meeting, and
> >> because the Chinese allowed no questions, the message delivered by the
> >> usually loquacious Mr. Obama appeared muted.
>
> >> Mr. Hu made a pointed statement about the need for the two countries to

> >> “oppose and reject protectionism,” an obvious stab at new tariffs


> >> applied to some Chinese goods entering the United States. Mr. Obama
> >> highlighted previous Chinese promises to release its currency, the yuan,
> >> from an artificially low peg. But he appeared to have received no new
> >> promises on that front.
>

> >> Mr. Obama also chided his hosts – as he did Monday at a


> >> question-and-answer session with university students in Shanghai that

> >> his hosts kept off the main Chinese television networks – about the need


> >> to allow greater rights and freedoms. And he likely riled Mr. Hu by
> >> suggesting that he should meet with the Dalai Lama, the exiled Tibetan
> >> spiritual leader whom Beijing considers a dangerous separatist.
>
> >> But on a day when several prominent Chinese dissidents were forced to
> >> leave Beijing so that they couldn't have any contact with the U.S.
> >> delegation, Mr. Obama's admonitions appeared to be intended only to
> >> appease domestic critics who accuse him of being soft on China's
> >> authoritarian regime.
>

> >> “Nobody's talking down to the Chinese in any of these documents,” said


> >> Richard Baum, a professor of political science at the University of
> >> California, Los Angeles, referring to the joint statement issued by the

> >> two sides. “That's fairly new and I think that's significant. I think


> >> the relationship has changed and it has changed to the satisfaction of

> >> the Chinese.”


>
> >> Mr. Obama himself highlighted the shifting balance of power, noting that

> >> “the relationship between the United States and China has never been
> >> more important to our collective future.”


>
> >> But as this new reality set in, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs was
> >> forced to concede the lack of common ground.
>

> >> “I do not expect, and I can speak authoritatively for the President on


> >> this, that we thought the waters would part and everything would change
> >> over the course of our almost 21/2-day trip to China. We understand
> >> there's a lot of work to do and that we'll continue to work hard at

> >> making more progress.”


>
> >> The change has come rapidly. Ahead of Bill Clinton's 1998 trip to
> >> Beijing, a then eager-to-please Chinese government released two
> >> high-profile dissidents, Wei Jingsheng and Wang Dan, into exile in the
> >> United States. This time the Chinese made no such concessions, and
> >> Tuesday even briefly arrested an American woman who was waiting outside
> >> the U.S. embassy in Beijing, hoping to deliver a letter to Mr. Obama
> >> about her jailed Chinese husband.
>
> >> When Mr. Clinton travelled to Beijing to meet Mr. Hu's predecessor,
> >> Jiang Zemin, China was grateful for the attention after nearly a decade
> >> of diplomatic isolation after the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown. But

> >> now it's the U.S. – weakened by two wars and a recession – that finds


> >> itself on the back foot. Mr. Obama's visit marked the first time a U.S.
> >> president had travelled to Beijing during his first year in office.
>

> >> “Ever since the end of the Cold War, the U.S. was the only remaining


> >> superpower in the world and they are accustomed to conducting themselves
> >> internationally as though they are the only superpower. But now there is
> >> a growing China, a rising China, which is a challenge for the U.S., as

> >> well as for China,” said Victor Gao, director of the Beijing-based China


> >> National Association of International Studies and an interpreter for

> >> former Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

RichAsianKid

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Nov 23, 2009, 11:13:47 PM11/23/09
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the Black Fucking Learngar Cock of the Holy Boudha wrote:
> true
> the population which speaks Spainish is
> larger than the population which speaks English .
>
> the population which speaks Chinese is larger than
> the population which speaks Spainsih .
>
>
> French is reserved for REFINE people .
>
>

Please don't tell us history is now more defined by women than by men.

>
>
>
> n Nov 23, 7:01 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Jesus Christ , a long - term fucker of the Prostitute St . Mary 's cunt
>> hole , is an Unique Son of GOD wrote:
>>
>>> there is no G-2
>>> il n' y a pas de G-2
>> Low class Spanish trumps high class French in 21c.
>>
>> It's not even English that's number one language most spoken round
>> the world anyway...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> n Nov 22, 2:00 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Pardon moi but even in RAK's unabashedly reductionist self he'd thought
>>>> at the very least it's G4?
>>>> From America's cousin:
>>>> * * * *http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/a-group-of-two-on-chinas-te...
>>>> A group of two on China's terms
>>>> The new reality of a powerful alliance sets in as Obama struggles to
>>>> make strides on issues of trade and human rights, finding a lack of
>>>> common ground with an increasingly assertive China
>>>> ----
>>>> Mark Mackinnon

>>>> Beijing � Published on Tuesday, Nov. 17, 2009 9:55PM EST Last updated on


>>>> Thursday, Nov. 19, 2009 2:47AM EST
>>>> Twenty years after tanks crushed a student uprising on Tiananmen Square

>>>> � marking the lowest point in recent U.S.-China relations � the


>>>> President of the United States found himself standing in a building on
>>>> the same plaza, acknowledging Beijing as a near-equal.
>>>> The G2, it appears, will work very differently than the old U.S.-China
>>>> relationship, which frequently saw Washington make demands that China
>>>> often had no choice but to accede to.
>>>> A newly assertive China, a growing military power that is also expected
>>>> to soon pass Japan as the world's second-largest economy, stood ready to
>>>> confront Barack Obama.
>>>> The Chinese leadership emerged from 21/2-hour summit talks here having
>>>> given no ground on its positions regarding trade, human rights, and the
>>>> Iranian and North Korean nuclear programs.
>>>> A post-meeting briefing with the two presidents left observers with
>>>> little doubt that China has grown more confident.
>>>> Hu Jintao and Mr. Obama were placed at podiums set up far apart on a
>>>> stage inside the imposing Great Hall of the People, looking stiff and
>>>> uncomfortable with one another.
>>>> They gave differing accounts of what was said during their meeting, and
>>>> because the Chinese allowed no questions, the message delivered by the
>>>> usually loquacious Mr. Obama appeared muted.
>>>> Mr. Hu made a pointed statement about the need for the two countries to

>>>> �oppose and reject protectionism,� an obvious stab at new tariffs


>>>> applied to some Chinese goods entering the United States. Mr. Obama
>>>> highlighted previous Chinese promises to release its currency, the yuan,
>>>> from an artificially low peg. But he appeared to have received no new
>>>> promises on that front.

>>>> Mr. Obama also chided his hosts � as he did Monday at a


>>>> question-and-answer session with university students in Shanghai that

>>>> his hosts kept off the main Chinese television networks � about the need


>>>> to allow greater rights and freedoms. And he likely riled Mr. Hu by
>>>> suggesting that he should meet with the Dalai Lama, the exiled Tibetan
>>>> spiritual leader whom Beijing considers a dangerous separatist.
>>>> But on a day when several prominent Chinese dissidents were forced to
>>>> leave Beijing so that they couldn't have any contact with the U.S.
>>>> delegation, Mr. Obama's admonitions appeared to be intended only to
>>>> appease domestic critics who accuse him of being soft on China's
>>>> authoritarian regime.

>>>> �Nobody's talking down to the Chinese in any of these documents,� said


>>>> Richard Baum, a professor of political science at the University of
>>>> California, Los Angeles, referring to the joint statement issued by the

>>>> two sides. �That's fairly new and I think that's significant. I think


>>>> the relationship has changed and it has changed to the satisfaction of

>>>> the Chinese.�


>>>> Mr. Obama himself highlighted the shifting balance of power, noting that

>>>> �the relationship between the United States and China has never been
>>>> more important to our collective future.�


>>>> But as this new reality set in, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs was
>>>> forced to concede the lack of common ground.

>>>> �I do not expect, and I can speak authoritatively for the President on


>>>> this, that we thought the waters would part and everything would change
>>>> over the course of our almost 21/2-day trip to China. We understand
>>>> there's a lot of work to do and that we'll continue to work hard at

>>>> making more progress.�


>>>> The change has come rapidly. Ahead of Bill Clinton's 1998 trip to
>>>> Beijing, a then eager-to-please Chinese government released two
>>>> high-profile dissidents, Wei Jingsheng and Wang Dan, into exile in the
>>>> United States. This time the Chinese made no such concessions, and
>>>> Tuesday even briefly arrested an American woman who was waiting outside
>>>> the U.S. embassy in Beijing, hoping to deliver a letter to Mr. Obama
>>>> about her jailed Chinese husband.
>>>> When Mr. Clinton travelled to Beijing to meet Mr. Hu's predecessor,
>>>> Jiang Zemin, China was grateful for the attention after nearly a decade
>>>> of diplomatic isolation after the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown. But

>>>> now it's the U.S. � weakened by two wars and a recession � that finds


>>>> itself on the back foot. Mr. Obama's visit marked the first time a U.S.
>>>> president had travelled to Beijing during his first year in office.

>>>> �Ever since the end of the Cold War, the U.S. was the only remaining


>>>> superpower in the world and they are accustomed to conducting themselves
>>>> internationally as though they are the only superpower. But now there is
>>>> a growing China, a rising China, which is a challenge for the U.S., as

>>>> well as for China,� said Victor Gao, director of the Beijing-based China

rst9

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Nov 24, 2009, 12:53:00 AM11/24/09
to
On Nov 23, 7:02 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> rst9 wrote:
> > On Nov 22, 3:03 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > That's why you are "PoorAsianTramp", PAT for short, like a football
> > after a touchdown.
>
> Are you now suggesting the "West" is even weaker than it appears?

The Vietnamese had proven the way to fight back against the West in
the Vietnam War, and the Afghans against the Russians, and again the
Afghans against the West, the Iraqis against the West,...

As the old saying goes;

If their is a will, there is a way.

>
> > There is no western contradiction.  The White's still believe in
> > Rudyard Kipling's "White man's burden".
>
> There are times when a sunset can be more beautiful than a sunrise. Or
> is rst0wyxz revealing his bias?

No, as I have said above;

If there is a will, there is a way. The way is to make oneself
invisible.


Penang

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Nov 28, 2009, 6:53:14 AM11/28/09
to
On Nov 22, 11:03 am, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Penang wrote:
> > The one of the many problems of the West is this --- They still think
> > that the rest of the world needs to kneel to them.
>
> > And this in itself is contradictory to their own "equality" doctrine.
>
> > Why should the rest of the world kneel to the West if everyone is
> > "equal"?
>
> Because only the rich can afford to look poor. (I love wearing
> tethered cargo shorts & totally sloshed [5 shots in 10 minutes] 1st
> class say. Hahaha!!!)
>
> As for the West's contradiction, can I post this amren.com link for the
> rest of the posters here -- from 10 years ago?
>
>      http://www.amren.com/conference/1998/1995jared_taylor.mp3
>
> Equality vs diversity. Another (or same?) Western contradiction?

Many thanks for the link !

Very enriching, indeed !!

Thanks again !!

> And oh btw this Caucasian speaker, Jared Taylor, as also quoted before
> has a history of making good sense. In fact extraordinary good sense by
> Western standards. Hmmmm. Can't imagine if growing up in Japan and also

> speaking fluent Japanese had nothing to do with it. (refhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Taylor) Who knows, if born again & of


> the right ancestry, he could even be one of ours. :)
>
>
>
> > On Nov 21, 7:00 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Pardon moi but even in RAK's unabashedly reductionist self he'd thought
> >> at the very least it's G4?
>
> >>  From America's cousin:
>
> >> * * * *http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/a-group-of-two-on-chinas-te...
>
> >> A group of two on China's terms
>
> >> The new reality of a powerful alliance sets in as Obama struggles to
> >> make strides on issues of trade and human rights, finding a lack of
> >> common ground with an increasingly assertive China
>
> >> ----
>
> >> Mark Mackinnon
>

> >> Beijing — Published on Tuesday, Nov. 17, 2009 9:55PM EST Last updated on


> >> Thursday, Nov. 19, 2009 2:47AM EST
>
> >> Twenty years after tanks crushed a student uprising on Tiananmen Square

> >> – marking the lowest point in recent U.S.-China relations – the


> >> President of the United States found himself standing in a building on
> >> the same plaza, acknowledging Beijing as a near-equal.
>
> >> The G2, it appears, will work very differently than the old U.S.-China
> >> relationship, which frequently saw Washington make demands that China
> >> often had no choice but to accede to.
>
> >> A newly assertive China, a growing military power that is also expected
> >> to soon pass Japan as the world's second-largest economy, stood ready to
> >> confront Barack Obama.
>
> >> The Chinese leadership emerged from 21/2-hour summit talks here having
> >> given no ground on its positions regarding trade, human rights, and the
> >> Iranian and North Korean nuclear programs.
>
> >> A post-meeting briefing with the two presidents left observers with
> >> little doubt that China has grown more confident.
>
> >> Hu Jintao and Mr. Obama were placed at podiums set up far apart on a
> >> stage inside the imposing Great Hall of the People, looking stiff and
> >> uncomfortable with one another.
>
> >> They gave differing accounts of what was said during their meeting, and
> >> because the Chinese allowed no questions, the message delivered by the
> >> usually loquacious Mr. Obama appeared muted.
>
> >> Mr. Hu made a pointed statement about the need for the two countries to

> >> “oppose and reject protectionism,” an obvious stab at new tariffs


> >> applied to some Chinese goods entering the United States. Mr. Obama
> >> highlighted previous Chinese promises to release its currency, the yuan,
> >> from an artificially low peg. But he appeared to have received no new
> >> promises on that front.
>

> >> Mr. Obama also chided his hosts – as he did Monday at a


> >> question-and-answer session with university students in Shanghai that

> >> his hosts kept off the main Chinese television networks – about the need


> >> to allow greater rights and freedoms. And he likely riled Mr. Hu by
> >> suggesting that he should meet with the Dalai Lama, the exiled Tibetan
> >> spiritual leader whom Beijing considers a dangerous separatist.
>
> >> But on a day when several prominent Chinese dissidents were forced to
> >> leave Beijing so that they couldn't have any contact with the U.S.
> >> delegation, Mr. Obama's admonitions appeared to be intended only to
> >> appease domestic critics who accuse him of being soft on China's
> >> authoritarian regime.
>

> >> “Nobody's talking down to the Chinese in any of these documents,” said


> >> Richard Baum, a professor of political science at the University of
> >> California, Los Angeles, referring to the joint statement issued by the

> >> two sides. “That's fairly new and I think that's significant. I think


> >> the relationship has changed and it has changed to the satisfaction of

> >> the Chinese.”


>
> >> Mr. Obama himself highlighted the shifting balance of power, noting that

> >> “the relationship between the United States and China has never been
> >> more important to our collective future.”


>
> >> But as this new reality set in, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs was
> >> forced to concede the lack of common ground.
>

> >> “I do not expect, and I can speak authoritatively for the President on


> >> this, that we thought the waters would part and everything would change
> >> over the course of our almost 21/2-day trip to China. We understand
> >> there's a lot of work to do and that we'll continue to work hard at

> >> making more progress.”


>
> >> The change has come rapidly. Ahead of Bill Clinton's 1998 trip to
> >> Beijing, a then eager-to-please Chinese government released two
> >> high-profile dissidents, Wei Jingsheng and Wang Dan, into exile in the
> >> United States. This time the Chinese made no such concessions, and
> >> Tuesday even briefly arrested an American woman who was waiting outside
> >> the U.S. embassy in Beijing, hoping to deliver a letter to Mr. Obama
> >> about her jailed Chinese husband.
>
> >> When Mr. Clinton travelled to Beijing to meet Mr. Hu's predecessor,
> >> Jiang Zemin, China was grateful for the attention after nearly a decade
> >> of diplomatic isolation after the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown. But

> >> now it's the U.S. – weakened by two wars and a recession – that finds


> >> itself on the back foot. Mr. Obama's visit marked the first time a U.S.
> >> president had travelled to Beijing during his first year in office.
>

> >> “Ever since the end of the Cold War, the U.S. was the only remaining


> >> superpower in the world and they are accustomed to conducting themselves
> >> internationally as though they are the only superpower. But now there is
> >> a growing China, a rising China, which is a challenge for the U.S., as

> >> well as for China,” said Victor Gao, director of the Beijing-based China

baldeagle

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Nov 28, 2009, 7:00:45 PM11/28/09
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On Nov 22, 9:35 pm, Penang <kalamb...@gmail.com> wrote:

.> The one of the many problems of the West is this --- They still
.> think that the rest of the world needs to kneel to them.

> On Nov 21, 7:00 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:

This is not entirely the problem with the west. Asian countries
have to be partly responsible for the master-slave relationsh W WII
defeat, Japan still behave like a timid loser, letting US troops to
be
based in Okinawa,...allowing US soldiers to rape and abuse
Japanese girls, (like the White rape black slave girls back in the
olden
days in the USA)
Until Japan is brave enough to stand up and kick the US armed
forces out of Japanese soil, Japan will have to kowtow to their
US master.


As for idea for G2...

China know that the G8, or G whatever, is useless
talk-shop organisation. A G2 is not good for the image of
China who like to be friends with all friendly nations in
Asia, in Africa, in Middle East, and Latin America.
A G2 is against this spirit .. by forming a G2, China will be
seen as more friendly to the USA than to other nations.

No. China is not interested to be come a member of
G2, which could be construed that China is a sidekick of
the USA.

G2 is a bad idea.

RichAsianKid

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Nov 29, 2009, 3:50:57 AM11/29/09
to

1. Maybe this is perfidy of the white man (not being sarcastic, articles
have touched on how that hidden dragon is now unmasked and revealed)?

2. If China doesn't want to be G2, I bet itchy India will have no
problems at all dashing and jumping in to fill this vacancy in a heartbeat.

baldeagle

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Nov 29, 2009, 5:41:34 AM11/29/09
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On Nov 29, 4:50 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> > No. China is not interested to be come a member of
> > G2, which could be construed that China is a sidekick of
> > the USA.
>
> > G2 is a bad idea.
>

> 1. Maybe this is perfidy of the white man (not being sarcastic,
> articles have touched on how that hidden dragon is now unmasked
> and revealed)?

White man see things from their own perspective,
from their own heavy political baggage.

Dragon !
China is no myth. Its young economic muscle is real
and solid.


>
> 2. If China doesn't want to be G2, I bet itchy India will have no
> problems at all dashing and jumping in to fill this vacancy in a heartbeat.

India has no clout, no say in the major issues affecting
the world. It can only play the role of a puppy dog
in the relationship with the USA.

I am sure, the USA has no desire to form a G2 with
India soon.

Penang

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Dec 2, 2009, 12:49:30 AM12/2/09
to

You know that, I know that.

But the biggest question is: "Does India know that?"

Baldy, you in Singapore and I in M'sia already very familiar with the
way those Indians behave, and I can tell you this:

Not only India will jump in to fill the vacancy, they will insist that
Uncle Sam must become their servant !!

baldeagle

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Dec 2, 2009, 11:56:20 AM12/2/09
to

True, India is a bad case, nationally trapped in
a self denial..

There is a serious flaw with India. It lacks a strong
leader for over 60 years, and lack an effective and
efficient system of government.

As long as India cannot do anything to reduce the 80%
poor Indians significantly, it will remain a very weak
nation. Democracy cannot work in a poor country like
India...it is proven to be too divisive... over the last 60 years.

India has to evolve its own system of government in order
to be able to break it poverty slave chain (80% poor Indians).
BUT Indians by nature are cowards, too afraid to act in
its own interests.

Chairman Mao , expert fucker of Chinese High School Girl 's cunts in China

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Dec 2, 2009, 8:39:47 PM12/2/09
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yes ,

women are now definning history by fuckings for more babies .


Hispanic cunts make more babies in USA
to increase Latin populations than WASP are making .

> >>>> Beijing — Published on Tuesday, Nov. 17, 2009 9:55PM EST Last updated on


> >>>> Thursday, Nov. 19, 2009 2:47AM EST
> >>>> Twenty years after tanks crushed a student uprising on Tiananmen Square

> >>>> – marking the lowest point in recent U.S.-China relations – the


> >>>> President of the United States found himself standing in a building on
> >>>> the same plaza, acknowledging Beijing as a near-equal.
> >>>> The G2, it appears, will work very differently than the old U.S.-China
> >>>> relationship, which frequently saw Washington make demands that China
> >>>> often had no choice but to accede to.
> >>>> A newly assertive China, a growing military power that is also expected
> >>>> to soon pass Japan as the world's second-largest economy, stood ready to
> >>>> confront Barack Obama.
> >>>> The Chinese leadership emerged from 21/2-hour summit talks here having
> >>>> given no ground on its positions regarding trade, human rights, and the
> >>>> Iranian and North Korean nuclear programs.
> >>>> A post-meeting briefing with the two presidents left observers with
> >>>> little doubt that China has grown more confident.
> >>>> Hu Jintao and Mr. Obama were placed at podiums set up far apart on a
> >>>> stage inside the imposing Great Hall of the People, looking stiff and
> >>>> uncomfortable with one another.
> >>>> They gave differing accounts of what was said during their meeting, and
> >>>> because the Chinese allowed no questions, the message delivered by the
> >>>> usually loquacious Mr. Obama appeared muted.
> >>>> Mr. Hu made a pointed statement about the need for the two countries to

> >>>> “oppose and reject protectionism,” an obvious stab at new tariffs


> >>>> applied to some Chinese goods entering the United States. Mr. Obama
> >>>> highlighted previous Chinese promises to release its currency, the yuan,
> >>>> from an artificially low peg. But he appeared to have received no new
> >>>> promises on that front.

> >>>> Mr. Obama also chided his hosts – as he did Monday at a


> >>>> question-and-answer session with university students in Shanghai that

> >>>> his hosts kept off the main Chinese television networks – about the need


> >>>> to allow greater rights and freedoms. And he likely riled Mr. Hu by
> >>>> suggesting that he should meet with the Dalai Lama, the exiled Tibetan
> >>>> spiritual leader whom Beijing considers a dangerous separatist.
> >>>> But on a day when several prominent Chinese dissidents were forced to
> >>>> leave Beijing so that they couldn't have any contact with the U.S.
> >>>> delegation, Mr. Obama's admonitions appeared to be intended only to
> >>>> appease domestic critics who accuse him of being soft on China's
> >>>> authoritarian regime.

> >>>> “Nobody's talking down to the Chinese in any of these documents,” said


> >>>> Richard Baum, a professor of political science at the University of
> >>>> California, Los Angeles, referring to the joint statement issued by the

> >>>> two sides. “That's fairly new and I think that's significant. I think


> >>>> the relationship has changed and it has changed to the satisfaction of

> >>>> the Chinese.”


> >>>> Mr. Obama himself highlighted the shifting balance of power, noting that

> >>>> “the relationship between the United States and China has never been
> >>>> more important to our collective future.”


> >>>> But as this new reality set in, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs was
> >>>> forced to concede the lack of common ground.

> >>>> “I do not expect, and I can speak authoritatively for the President on


> >>>> this, that we thought the waters would part and everything would change
> >>>> over the course of our almost 21/2-day trip to China. We understand
> >>>> there's a lot of work to do and that we'll continue to work hard at

> >>>> making more progress.”


> >>>> The change has come rapidly. Ahead of Bill Clinton's 1998 trip to
> >>>> Beijing, a then eager-to-please Chinese government released two
> >>>> high-profile dissidents, Wei Jingsheng and Wang Dan, into exile in the
> >>>> United States. This time the Chinese made no such concessions, and
> >>>> Tuesday even briefly arrested an American woman who was waiting outside
> >>>> the U.S. embassy in Beijing, hoping to deliver a letter to Mr. Obama
> >>>> about her jailed Chinese husband.
> >>>> When Mr. Clinton travelled to Beijing to meet Mr. Hu's predecessor,
> >>>> Jiang Zemin, China was grateful for the attention after nearly a decade
> >>>> of diplomatic isolation after the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown. But

> >>>> now it's the U.S. – weakened by two wars and a recession – that finds


> >>>> itself on the back foot. Mr. Obama's visit marked the first time a U.S.
> >>>> president had travelled to Beijing during his first year in office.

> >>>> “Ever since the end of the Cold War, the U.S. was the only remaining


> >>>> superpower in the world and they are accustomed to conducting themselves
> >>>> internationally as though they are the only superpower. But now there is
> >>>> a growing China, a rising China, which is a challenge for the U.S., as

> >>>> well as for China,” said Victor Gao, director of the Beijing-based China

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