All about "no-pan shabu-shabu"
Masayuki YOSHIDA
Recently I have frequently come across the term "no-pan shabu-shabu" when I read
articles on the entertainment, of the financial ministry officials, provided by
the bank's secretarial section. But I don't know what it is like. Can someone
explain about it?
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Masayuki YOSHIDA
yosh...@gol.com
http://www2.gol.com/users/yoshidam/index.htm
Charles Eicher
In article <01bd2bdf$6ca9a340$0404...@yoshidam.gol.com>, "Masayuki
YOSHIDA" <yosh...@gol.com> wrote:
> Recently I have frequently come across the term "no-pan shabu-shabu" when
I read
> articles on the entertainment, of the financial ministry officials,
provided by
> the bank's secretarial section. But I don't know what it is like. Can
someone
> explain about it?
Strangely, about 30 seconds after I read your message, I was watching
Fujisankei TV, which had an interview with a hostess at the very place in
question.
For 20,000Y, customers gain entrance, it is basically a hostess bar.
According to the hostess, electric fans blow up their skirts while they
circulate, serving food.. For an extra 10,000Y, hostesses will remove their
panties or allow photography.
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Nona Myers
>Strangely, about 30 seconds after I read your message, I was watching
>Fujisankei TV, which had an interview with a hostess at the very place in
>question.
Charles, how do you get this TV station? A satellite? I am looking
into different alternatives for my parents. One mentioned is cable
(NHK) and another one being satellite with an initial cost only.
>
>For 20,000Y, customers gain entrance, it is basically a hostess bar.
>According to the hostess, electric fans blow up their skirts while they
>circulate, serving food.. For an extra 10,000Y, hostesses will remove their
>panties or allow photography.
>
Hmm, I wonder why the term "shabu-shabu?" I think I can quess,
but.....
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Charles M Richmond
Masayuki YOSHIDA wrote:
>
> Recently I have frequently come across the term "no-pan shabu-shabu" when I read
> articles on the entertainment, of the financial ministry officials, provided by
> the bank's secretarial section. But I don't know what it is like. Can someone
> explain about it?
>
It must be a pretty kinky place!
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Masayuki YOSHIDA
Charles Eicher <cei...@inav.net> wrote in article
<ceicher-ya0240800...@snews.zippo.com>...
>
> > Recently I have frequently come across the term "no-pan shabu-shabu" when
> > I read articles on the entertainment, of the financial ministry officials,
> > provided by the bank's secretarial section. But I don't know what it is
> > like. Can someone explain about it?
>
> Fujisankei TV, which had an interview with a hostess at the very place in
> question.
>
> According to the hostess, electric fans blow up their skirts while they
> circulate, serving food.. For an extra 10,000Y, hostesses will remove their
> panties or allow photography.
Three questions arise. First, do hostesses still wear their panties on until the
extra money is paid? Second, is the service the same to what "no-pan kissa or
cafe" provided in the 1980s? Well, only watching? Third, why should it be
"shabu-shabu"? That is to say, whether "no-pan sukiyaki", "no-pan sushi", or
"no-pan pachinko" would be instead possible. Especially I think "no-pan
pachinko" carries connotations of women and men. (^^;y
Charles Eicher
> >Strangely, about 30 seconds after I read your message, I was watching
> >Fujisankei TV, which had an interview with a hostess at the very place in
> >question.
>
> Charles, how do you get this TV station? A satellite? I am looking
> into different alternatives for my parents. One mentioned is cable
> (NHK) and another one being satellite with an initial cost only.
I receive 45 minutes of Fujisankei TV news on my local cable system. It
appears on a channel called SCOLA.. You can get info at www.scola.org but
unfortunately, it is primarily intended for cable systems, not personal
subscriptions. To receive it, you'd need a big (like 20 foot) sattelite
dish and an expensive descrambler (with hefty monthly fees). I am only able
to get this channel because it was negotiated as part of the local cable
package, specifically requested by local University language classes..
> Hmm, I wonder why the term "shabu-shabu?" I think I can quess,
> but.....
I could think of some colorful suggestions too, but no, it is because the
hostess club serves shabu-shabu. There was actual video in this news report
showing people eating shabu-shabu (probably because that was the only thing
happening in the club that could be shown on TV)..
Of course, nobody is going there primarily for the food. Personally, I
prefer my food served by people fully attired.
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Yamane Kazuo
In an article, yosh...@gol.com ("Masayuki YOSHIDA") writes:
>Charles Eicher <cei...@inav.net> wrote in article
><ceicher-ya0240800...@snews.zippo.com>...
>> In article <01bd2bdf$6ca9a340$0404...@yoshidam.gol.com>, "Masayuki
>> YOSHIDA" <yosh...@gol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Recently I have frequently come across the term "no-pan shabu-shabu" when
>> > I read articles on the entertainment, of the financial ministry officials,
>> > provided by the bank's secretarial section. But I don't know what it is
>> > like. Can someone explain about it?
>>
>> Strangely, about 30 seconds after I read your message, I was watching
>> Fujisankei TV, which had an interview with a hostess at the very place in
>> question.
>>
>> For 20,000Y, customers gain entrance, it is basically a hostess bar.
>> According to the hostess, electric fans blow up their skirts while they
>> circulate, serving food.. For an extra 10,000Y, hostesses will remove their
>> panties or allow photography.
>
>Three questions arise. First, do hostesses still wear their panties
>on until the extra money is paid? Second, is the service the same
>to what "no-pan kissa or cafe" provided in the 1980s? Well, only
>watching? Third, why should it be "shabu-shabu"? That is to say,
>whether "no-pan sukiyaki", "no-pan sushi", or "no-pan pachinko"
>would be instead possible. Especially I think "no-pan
>pachinko" carries connotations of women and men. (^^;y
Let me answer few of this.
To your last question, "why should it be "shabu-shabu"?
>From the news clips I saw they served beef shabu-shabu.
"[cut]Koichi Miyagawa, a senior official at the financial
inspection department, asked Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank Ltd.
in 1994 to take him to a special "shabu shabu" boiled
beef restaurant with waitresses wearing no panties,
[cut]"
(TOKYO, Jan 27 (AFP))[ClariNews]
And to your first one. "do hostesses still wear their panties
on until the extra money is paid?"
Yes, it appears that way.
"The charge for one customer starts at 20,000 yen. For a
10,000 yen tip the hostess will take off her underwear
or allow the customer to aim a camera lens under her
skirt. Most of the patrons visit the restaurant not to
eat, but to enjoy the hostesses' service."
(Fujisankei's News-Express, Jan. 28, 1998.)
Dave Fossett
Masayuki YOSHIDA wrote in message
<01bd2bdf$6ca9a340$0404...@yoshidam.gol.com>...
>Recently I have frequently come across the term "no-pan shabu-shabu" when I
read
>articles on the entertainment, of the financial ministry officials,
provided by
>the bank's secretarial section. But I don't know what it is like. Can
someone
>explain about it?
>
These were featured quite heavily on the "wide shows" a few months back when
Nakai-kun from the group SMAP was reported to have dated a girl who
apparently worked as a waitress at a no-pan shabu-shabu. Nakai denied
knowing about the girl's job or ever having been to the place himself, but
the media were quick to fill in all the details to make sure viewers knew
exactly what these places were like.
Basically, they are expensive (i.e. expense account) members-only
shabu-shabu restaurants, where the main attraction is not the shabu-shabu,
but the waitresses/hostesses who wear no pan(ties). Just an up-market
version of the "no-pan kissa".
Dave
Steve Sundberg
Yamane Kazuo (yam...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
:
:
: And to your first one. "do hostesses still wear their panties
: on until the extra money is paid?"
: Yes, it appears that way.
Eeek. At least they serve shabu-shabu and not oysters. ;) Still, I don't
know if I'd really want a hairy clam staring me in the face while I've got
food on the table.
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Charles Eicher
In article <01bd2c53$c648a800$0404...@yoshidam.gol.com>, "Masayuki
YOSHIDA" <yosh...@gol.com> wrote:
> Three questions arise. First, do hostesses still wear their panties on
until the
> extra money is paid? Second, is the service the same to what "no-pan kissa or
> cafe" provided in the 1980s? Well, only watching? Third, why should it be
> "shabu-shabu"? That is to say, whether "no-pan sukiyaki", "no-pan sushi", or
> "no-pan pachinko" would be instead possible. Especially I think "no-pan
> pachinko" carries connotations of women and men. (^^;y
I am unable to answer your questions from firsthand knowledge, I'm just
repeating what I saw on a video segment that couldn't have been more than
60 seconds long.. I can only guess that these shops are much like the
no-pan kissa of the past decade... How they arrived at shabu-shabu, I don't
know.. If I was a waitress, I sure wouldn't want to be carrying boiling
pots of broth to tables while half-naked, along with the added hazards of
groping men..
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Moonstroke
And where in Roppongi, pray tell, would a "CITY" HICK like yourself meet with
his Miyazaki-esque pal(s) before taking in an evening of no-pan fare? Or
mayhap you've no friends to meet, due to your frightful personality disorder.
@; )
Mike Fester
Moonstroke (moons...@aol.com) wrote:
: And where in Roppongi, pray tell, would a "CITY" HICK like yourself meet with
: his Miyazaki-esque pal(s) before taking in an evening of no-pan fare? Or
: mayhap you've no friends to meet, due to your frightful personality disorder.
: @; )
If this is to Mr Yoshida, you owe him an apology. Almond is rather known
as a meeting place for those who might be considered "inaka" sorts of
people, by dint of being famous and easily spotted. Those from Tokyo
usually recommended I meet them at some other place, less crowded, less
well-known. (When I met people in the area, even knowing that, I'd sometimes
use Almond as the landmark.) As for the "no-pan", he's already admitted he
doesn't know anything about it.
As for "frightful personality disorder", if you ascribe such to all those
you misread, well, it's a lonely little world for you.
Mike
Moonstroke
If this is to Mr Yoshida, you owe him an apology. Almond is rather known as a
meeting place for those who might be considered "inaka" sorts of people, by
knowing that, I'd sometimes use Almond as the landmark. < Mike Fester
It was to Mr. Yoshida. No apology will be forthcoming as, IMO, his post was
mean-spirited.
As your own post acknowledges, Almond has many of the qualities of a good
meeting spot, it's only fault being that it is too good -- a fate shared by
Hachiko (Shibuya), Studio Alta (Shinjuku) and many of the other spots mentioned
in the original thread. Curiously, Mr. Yoshida spared those who mentioned
these other spots his bile; one can only guess at his reasons. Perhaps he'll
yet deign to enlighten us.
> As for the "no-pan", he's already admitted he doesn't know anything about
it.< Mike Fester
But his interest in the subject suggests a certain prurience or"sukebe"-ness,
if you will. Mr. Yoshida's slander of me was based on no more knowledge of my
character than mine of him. Those who live by the (s)word...
>As for "frightful personality disorder", if you ascribe such to all those you
misread, well, it's a lonely little world for you.< MIke Fester
I do not agree that I've misread Mr. Yoshida's post -- it was certainly
intended to insult, not to inform.
moonstroke
Masayuki YOSHIDA
[SCJ added]
Moonstroke <moons...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19980130203...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> And where in Roppongi, pray tell, would a "CITY" HICK like yourself meet with
> his Miyazaki-esque pal(s) before taking in an evening of no-pan fare? Or
> mayhap you've no friends to meet, due to your frightful personality disorder.
> @; )
What I had done was just to point out that "Almond is famous for a meeting place
for "country hicks". I didn't say "YOU ARE A HICK". I merely provided A FACT.
Nevertheless why did you attack me? What do you want to connote by Miyazaki-
esque pal(s)? Are you implying that my mentality is similar to Miyazaki Tsutomu?
Do you understand all what you are saying? How daffy! Anyway I have NONE of
what you have to accuse me of. Evidently your accusation is FALSE.
As for "no-pan shabu-shabu" your insult against me has missed the point. I have
recently come back from England, where I stayed for 3.5 years, to here Tokyo in
order to research for my academic project. This long absence would mean that I
am not familiar with many Japanese social phenomena. Actually, I didn't know
even the term "no-pan shabu-shabu", so that's why I asked a question on it in the
newsgroups.
I am dying to know what the kinky service is like, because if I can explicate
this kind of social phenomena I would be able to grasp the framework of Japanese
bureaucrat's mentality. As a matter of fact, you are connecting Miyazaki-esque
pals with no-pan fare. If the fact is, the civil-servants are mentally
distorted, I may know the reason by investigating the service. That is to say,
as I once thought of "giri" concept, I seriously want to contemplate why the
bureaucrats are preoccupied with the service and what their mentality is like.
For it, I believe *as usual* that it is a good way to collect some perspectives
given by non-Japanese via the usenet. That is the very reason why I posted an
article on the kinky service.
I have read your counter-argument to Mike's post. You didn't apologise me. It
was a foregoing conclusion. Because your e-mail address "moons...@aol.com"
already implied your crooked personality. A friendly tip - let me advise you to
go to an institution which deal with _moonstruck_ people.
Sean Holland
Masayuki YOSHIDA <yosh...@gol.com> wrote:
(snip)
>If the fact is, the civil-servants are mentally
I have a theory. Most of the high level bureaucrats are graduates of
TouDai (Tokyo University). In order to gain admission to that university
these people essentially had to miss their childhoods. From the earliest
age they studied, studied, studied, went to cram schools in the evening,
suffered the anxiety of horrific entrance exams and so on.
Without the benefit of a normal childhood of playing with friends,
climbing trees and doing all the other things that allow children to
develop into normal adults, these Tokyo University graduates are often
suffering from stunted emotional development.
As well, their whole lives have been devoted to selfishness, for all
that studying and passing of entrance exams was not done for the
betterment of anyone but themselves.
More than likely each of them had a domineering 'kyouiku mama"
(education mama) badgering them the whole way, and who knows what weird
psychological scars resulted from that. They also probably come from
families in which the father was also a "super-achiever" and therefore
seldom at home.
No wonder they pass the time with such childish delights as no-pan
shabu shabu. Pathetic characters, really. Too bad they run the country.
To any graduates of Tokyo University reading this...Uh...Shitsurei
shimashita. Sumimasen-ne.
--
Sean
To e-mail me, take out the garbage.
Moonstroke
>What I had done was just to point out that "Almond is famous for a meeting
That is not what you said. You said:
>It would seem that the cafe is a typical meeting spot for COUNTRY HICKS."< M.
Yoshida (emphasis your own)
That may not have been your intention but by responding to my direct quote and
prefacing your remark with "It would seem.." you implied that the author of
the post (namely myself) was a hick. The words "it would seem" suggest that
you were evaluating the Almond based not on your own experience but your
observation of the character of the person who had made the suggestion. I
wouldn't have taken personal offence if not for this implication and for the
fact that you singled out my suggestion from a list of many meeting spots that
appear to have many qualities in common.
In other words, you -- apparently unwittingly (I'm prepared to give you the
benefit of the doubt given that you are communicating in a foreign language) --
achieved the rough equivalent of saying: YOU (moonstroke) ARE A HICK.
>I merely provided A FACT.< M. Yoshida
Apparently it is your *opinion* because we have already heard from a
countryman of yours (Mifune san), a native of Tokyo, who believes the exact
opposite.
>Nevertheless why did you attack me?< M. Yoshida
Because, from my perspective, you leveled an unprovoked insult on me. That
should be obvious.
> What do you want to connote by Miyazaki-esque pal(s)? Are you implying that
my mentality is similar to Miyazaki Tsutomu? Do you understand all what you are
saying? How daffy! Anyway I have NONE of what you have to accuse me of. < M.
Yoshida
I'm sure you're not a bit like Miyazaki. And I assure you I am no hick, much
less a HICK. I'm surprised you can't see that I was stereotyping you based on
a scrap of information available in your post, just as you (appeared) to have
done to me (i.,e., I fought fire with fire). The difference being that my
comment was a rejoinder, you (it appeared) struck first, w/o provocation --
again, I realize now that that was not your intention, I'm only trying to
establish my own motivation.
>I have read your counter-argument to Mike's post. You didn't apologise me.<
M. Yoshida
Because, up until now, you haven't given me any cause to. Remember, your first
response to my reply (actually Mifune san's), was not to difuse the situation
but rather to exacerbate it by suggesting that you must have hit close to the
mark to get me so riled up.
> Because your e-mail address "moons...@aol.com" already implied your
crooked personality. < M. Yoshida
You're still not exactly extending an olive branch, are you?
A friendly tip - let me advise youto go to an institution which deal with
_moonstruck_ people.< M. Yoshida
To my mind you have been the incendiary one, Yoshida san. Like I said earlier
in this post, I'm prepared to believe that it was not your intention to insult
me directly in the first place. Not that the true intent of your post -- to
slander country bumpkins generally -- or your follow-ups have been particularly
high minded.
To the extent your original comment was not directed at me personally I retract
my earlier comments and apologize for any insult you have taken from them.
moonstroke
m...@stanford.edu
In article <1998020115...@i3-28.islandnet.com>,
seho...@garbageislandnet.com (Sean Holland) wrote:
> I have a theory.
I should think its more along the lines of good old-fashioned corruption.
Has little to do with educational background and everything to do with
opportunity.
Mark.
Sean Holland
Moonstroke <moons...@aol.com> wrote:
(snip a whole bunch of stuff)
It would seem that you are getting too bent out of shape over the
simple phrase "it would seem". Remember that even a very accomplished
speaker or writer of English as a second language can make little errors
in usage. I would be surprised at your getting so excited about the
phrase were it to have been posted by a native speaker, but given that
the Mr. Yoshida is not a native-speaker, your tirades demonstrate a real
lack of empathy with and respect for what he is doing: posting in a
language other than his native tongue.
Your post to which this is a response made it clear that the insult
you percieved was based entirely on your interpretation of Mr. Yoshida
prefacing his remarks with "it would seem". It would seem that you are
in need of a life.
Moonstroke
> It would seem that you are getting too bent out of shape over the simple
phrase "it would seem". Remember that even a very accomplished speaker or
writer of English as a second language can make little errors in usage. I would
be surprised at your getting so excited about the phrase were it to have been
posted by a native speaker, but given that the Mr. Yoshida is not a
native-speaker, your tirades demonstrate a real lack of empathy with and
respect for what he is doing: posting in a language other than his native
I've already conceded as much. It was not immediately evident that Mr. Yoshida
was not a native/fluent English speaker or that his intention was anything
other than it would first appear. All subsequent verbiage has been to explain
my actions in light of M. Fester's suggestion that I owed Mr. Yoshida an
apology. I agree it's all been a bit overdone.
> Your post to which this is a response made it clear that the insult you
percieved was based entirely on your interpretation of Mr. Yoshida prefacing
his remarks with "it would seem". <
no, not entirely. Those three words, the context (the fact that it was a
response to my post and singled out Almondo from many such spots) and the
inflammatory nature of post generally [e.g., COUNTRY HICK (emphasis M.
Yoshida's)] were contributing factors. While admittedly not much to go on, I
did have to divine his meaning from a single sentence, afterall, and it's
meaning *seemed* plain (to me) -- and at least one other person.
I still believe my reading of M. Yoshida's post, if not it's author's intent,
to be correct. Just another causalty of the limitations of the medium,
cross-language confusion and a, yes, a short fuse on my part. Mea culpa for my
part in this.
moonstroke
Mike Fester
Moonstroke (moons...@aol.com) wrote:
: >What I had done was just to point out that "Almond is famous for a meeting
: place for "country hicks".< M. Yoshida
:
: That is not what you said. You said:
:
: >It would seem that the cafe is a typical meeting spot for COUNTRY HICKS."< M.
: Yoshida (emphasis your own)
:
: That may not have been your intention but by responding to my direct quote and
: prefacing your remark with "It would seem.." you implied that the author of
He followed it up with a smilie.
You overreacted.
Mike
Mike Fester
Moonstroke (moons...@aol.com) wrote:
You might, in the future, try keeping your attributions straight.
:> If this is to Mr Yoshida, you owe him an apology. Almond is rather known as a
: >meeting place for those who might be considered "inaka" sorts of people, by
: >dint of being famous and easily spotted.... When I met people in the area, even
: >knowing that, I'd sometimes use Almond as the landmark. < Mike Fester
: It was to Mr. Yoshida. No apology will be forthcoming as, IMO, his post was
: mean-spirited.
I don't doubt that you won't apologize, however his post was not "mean-
spirited", and he even put a little smilie "(^^;y" in it, to avoid confusion.
: As your own post acknowledges, Almond has many of the qualities of a good
: meeting spot, it's only fault being that it is too good -- a fate shared by
As such, his comments cannot be construed as false, though apparently it
provided information you didn't want to hear.
: in the original thread. Curiously, Mr. Yoshida spared those who mentioned
: these other spots his bile; one can only guess at his reasons. Perhaps he'll
One might state that there was likely no such bile, and that you imagined
the whole thing. One might state the "(^^;y" should have indicated a good-
natured jibe at the spot, rather than "bile".
: > As for the "no-pan", he's already admitted he doesn't know anything about
: it.< Mike Fester
: But his interest in the subject suggests a certain prurience or"sukebe"-ness,
: if you will.
No, it suggests a certain curiosity. Your followup suggests that you didn't
read that sentence any better than you read the others.
One might point out that at least one female chimed in requesting info about
the subject. I would not ascribe to her "purient" motives. Obviously, you
would.
: Mr. Yoshida's slander of me was based on no more knowledge of my
He didn't slander you; you screwed up. And you compound your error, rather
than admit it.
: >As for "frightful personality disorder", if you ascribe such to all those you
: misread, well, it's a lonely little world for you.< MIke Fester
: I do not agree that I've misread Mr. Yoshida's post -- it was certainly
: intended to insult, not to inform.
That doesn't appear to be the case.
You misread it, and only you are confused. YOU, OTOH, have ascribed a variety
of character flaws to Mr Yoshida's innocent remark, and to his subsequent
remarks. Again, I point out that they seem better applied to you.
Mike
Masayuki YOSHIDA
Mr Moonstoke:
[Moderator's note: unless this somehow gets around to the subject of Japan,
this'll be the last post on this subject. Mr Yoshida gets in the last word
as he is the only one who truly knows what he meant.]
I have no interest in your pathetic HINDSIGHT.
One quick point:
Moonstroke <moons...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19980201033...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> If this is to Mr Yoshida, you owe him an apology. Almond is rather known as a
> meeting place for those who might be considered "inaka" sorts of people, by
> dint of being famous and easily spotted.... When I met people in the area, even
> knowing that, I'd sometimes use Almond as the landmark. < Mike Fester
>
> It was to Mr. Yoshida. No apology will be forthcoming as, IMO, his post was
> mean-spirited.
My post that you asserted was "mean-spirited" is:
:: Recently I have frequently come across the term "no-pan shabu-shabu"
:: when I read articles on the entertainment, of the financial ministry
:: officials, provided by the bank's secretarial section. But I don't know what
:: it is like. Can someone explain about it?
Tell me, Toddy, where the hell you found the mean-spiritedness.