Italian Family Name 'Corea' Is Originated From 'Korean'?
hy
Some People Says Korean War Prisoner 'Antonio Corea' Was First
Korean-Italian And From 'Antonio Corea' Italian Family Name 'Corea'
Originated. Jazz Pianist Chic Corea, Included.
Just Curious.
Is Anybody In Italy Who Heard About This?
Please, Answer Or Comment.
Thanks A Lot.
Armando
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> Hi.
>
> Some People Says Korean War Prisoner 'Antonio Corea' Was First
> Korean-Italian And From 'Antonio Corea' Italian Family Name 'Corea'
> Originated. Jazz Pianist Chic Corea, Included.
>
> Just Curious.
No. The opposite.
" Corea" comes from latin chorea, that means "dance". And latin word chorea
comes from greek choros (dance again). Starting from the middle age the word
"Corea" was used to indicate overpopulate neighborhoods of towns. For
instance, italian neighborhood of Zurich was named "Corea" because of his
overcrowding.
So, when explorers discovered a territory overpopulated at north of China,
called that country "Corea".
So, firstly came italian surname Corea, then, when the new overpopulated
country at north of China was discovered, the word Corea started to indicate
the country.
Italian people with Corea surname has not corean ancestors.
Rather, corean people call themselves corean because in europe crowded
italian neighbours were named Corea.
ciao
A
Armando
> So, when explorers discovered a territory overpopulated at north of
> China, called that country "Corea".
you use k, and not c : Korea, korean.
We write Corea and corean :)
hy
Thanks For Comment.
But I Must Tell You One Thing.
'Korea' Was Originated From Koryo Dynasty (A.D. 918 - 1392).
(Like China Was Orignated From Chin Dynasty (B.C 221 - 207))
Also Koryo Claimed Herself As successor To The Kingdom Of Kokuryo
(B.C. 37 - A.D. 668), And Named After.
Do You Think Italian Surname 'Corea' Has Been Existed Before B.C. 37?
(A Discussion About Changing 'Korea To Corea' Has Been Progressed
In Korea These Days).
Armando
> Thanks For Comment.
> But I Must Tell You One Thing.
>
> 'Korea' Was Originated From Koryo Dynasty (A.D. 918 - 1392).
> (Like China Was Orignated From Chin Dynasty (B.C 221 - 207))
> Also Koryo Claimed Herself As successor To The Kingdom Of Kokuryo
> (B.C. 37 - A.D. 668), And Named After.
>
> Do You Think Italian Surname 'Corea' Has Been Existed Before B.C. 37?
The info I wrote comes from Italian etymological Dictionarry Zanichelli (5
voll. Cortellazzo, Zolli 1987).
Probably the name Korea for the country had a great success thanks to the
concordance between dynasty name and the use of word korea to indicate
italian overpopulate neighborhoods. So they can be both correct.
Surely there were italin surname Corea *before* the discovering of Korea
(and this is definitive about the question if having Corea surname implies
to have Korean ancestors : definitely no).
Surely before BC 37 the latin word chorea and the greek choros existed ,
but in this case I don't know if they were used as surname.
ciao
Armando
ADPUF
Corea is a surname mainly found in Catanzaro province,
regione Calabria.
Maps of Italian surnames here:
(enter surname in "cognome")
--
oggi no, domani sì
hy
The Case Of Italian Family Name 'Corea' Is OK.
But, I Must Tell You One More.
You Use The Word 'Discover' Again.
We Are Not Primitive People Who Has Been Waiting 'Discovered' By YOU.
We Has Been Living Well 'Before You Discovered Us'.
And May Has Been Living Well 'If Not Discovered'.
First Korean Nation 'Kochosun' Was Built In B.C 2333.
Our Korean Dicitionary Has 50,000 Over Korean Word.
Also, Chosun Dynasty (A.D. 1392-1910) Has Her History Book
Which Is Very Large To The Volume. # 1893 (Daily Written Exactly)
Please, Don't Despise Other Culture.
Please, Don't Use The Disgusting Word Such Like 'Discovered'
Question.
Who Discovered You?
Enzo Michelangeli
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[...]
> The Case Of Italian Family Name 'Corea' Is OK.
> But, I Must Tell You One More.
>
> You Use The Word 'Discover' Again.
>
> We Are Not Primitive People Who Has Been Waiting 'Discovered' By YOU.
> We Has Been Living Well 'Before You Discovered Us'.
> And May Has Been Living Well 'If Not Discovered'.
>
> First Korean Nation 'Kochosun' Was Built In B.C 2333.
> Our Korean Dicitionary Has 50,000 Over Korean Word.
> Also, Chosun Dynasty (A.D. 1392-1910) Has Her History Book
> Which Is Very Large To The Volume. # 1893 (Daily Written Exactly)
>
> Please, Don't Despise Other Culture.
> Please, Don't Use The Disgusting Word Such Like 'Discovered'
>
> Question.
> Who Discovered You?
Well, "to discover" means to find something important that was previoulsly
unknown to the discoverer. It doesn't imply belittling: rather, quite the
opposite.
Enzo
Armando
> The Case Of Italian Family Name 'Corea' Is OK.
> But, I Must Tell You One More.
>
> You Use The Word 'Discover' Again.
>
> We Are Not Primitive People Who Has Been Waiting 'Discovered' By YOU.
> We Has Been Living Well 'Before You Discovered Us'.
> And May Has Been Living Well 'If Not Discovered'.
But in any case we discovered you, likewise you discovered us.
I can understand if you talk of economic exploitation, but about discovering
it is a fanciful idea to think that the act of discover somebody is
despising.
Despise is not in the discover but evidently in your mind
>
> Please, Don't Despise Other Culture.
> Please, Don't Use The Disgusting Word Such Like 'Discovered'
Dear Sir, I've kindly answered your questions about italian surname, loosing
my time. Now I can say to you as man, not as korean because I don't know if
you're korean or a troll, to go affanculo.
Meantime you discover meaning and etimology of "vaffanculo", please make to
yourself this test (as a human being, not as a korean):
http://www.dogbomb.co.uk/idiot-test/
yours faithfully
Armando
Michele Dall'Agata
ADPUF <flyh...@mosq.it> typed:
> on 06:42, mercoledě 10 marzo 2004 hy wrote:
> Corea is a surname mainly found in Catanzaro province,
> regione Calabria.
>
> Maps of Italian surnames here:
>
> http://gens.labo.net
>
> (enter surname in "cognome")
I am pretty much sure that the map has been made out of the phone book in
1994-'96. With my last name there is a little dot in Cagliari and I was
there at that time indeed. Doing other researches I could not find any other
Dall'Agata in Sardinia. Still, it shows some accuracy.
Ciao,
Michele
hy
Maybe This is True.
Italian Priest Carletti Took Antonio Corea From Japan To Rome In 1606.
And Pressed An Record Of Travel In Which This Fact Was Written.
And Some People Says Antonio Corea Made Big Money, And Merried To
Italian Woman,
And Modeled By Great Painter Rubens (That Painting Was Called 'A Man
In Korean
Costume' And Was Exhibited In Korea Several Months Ago).
I Don't Know This Is 100 % True, But If He Had Children, Some Corea
Person (Not All
The Corea Surnamer) Could Have Corean Ancestors.
Totally Wrong?
In Adition To That, 10 years Ago Some Korean TV Program Broadcasted
About This.
In This Program Some Italian Corea Surnamer Said ' I Heard That Long
Ago Our Ancestors
Was From Korea, Something Like That'.
Even Chic Corea When Visited In Korea
Said 'Don't Know Much, But Heard About That.
(Read This At some Website)
I Wanted More Solid And Vivid Infomation From Italy.
Maybe You Didn't Heard About That.
In This Case I Think It Proper For You To Say
'I Didn't Hear About That.'
But You Said 'Italian People With Corea Surname Has Not Corean
Ancestors.'
Conclusively. And Absurdly Asserted 'Korea Was From Italian Related
Word 'Corea'.
So Ridiculous.
Maybe I Was Too Sensitive To the Word 'Discover'
But To Non-Western People, Remark Such Like
'Their Country Was Discovered By Western' Seems Very Humiliated.
(Feels Like All of their civilizaions was Totally Ignored By Them.)
Why Do You Use The Word 'Discovered' When Found New Land (To Them
Only) In Which
Many People Of Some Civilization Lived Peacefully and Named It
Arbitrarily? (In Fact, Many Korean islands have another foreign Names
given by your Explorers)
You Said Explorers Discovered 'Korea' And Because of Its
Overpopulation, Named It
'Corea'. Frankly Speaking, This Coment Made Me Upset.
Isn't It Too Self-Centered?
Ok That's All.
You Treat Me Like idoit.
You Heard That The Korean has World largest And The Most Extreme
Abusive-Language Archive?
(Some Dictionaries of Abusive-language was pressed From Time To Time)
You Want Some Korean 'fuck You' or 'Mother Fucker' something like
That?
Well.
I Rather Refrain Myself.
Because I'm Different From YOU.
Armando
> Italian Priest Carletti Took Antonio Corea From Japan To Rome In 1606.
> And Pressed An Record Of Travel In Which This Fact Was Written.
>
> And Some People Says Antonio Corea Made Big Money, And Merried To
> Italian Woman,
> And Modeled By Great Painter Rubens (That Painting Was Called 'A Man
> In Korean
> Costume' And Was Exhibited In Korea Several Months Ago).
>
> I Don't Know This Is 100 % True, But If He Had Children, Some Corea
> Person (Not All
> The Corea Surnamer) Could Have Corean Ancestors.
>
> Totally Wrong?
No, it is possible and plausible. At least in Italy orphan people were given
fancy surnames. So it's possible there was some orphans from foreign
countries riceiving a surname linked to their origin. This was a very common
way for giving surname to orphans.
Surely there were not very much orphans here from Korea in sixteenth
century. Surely there were more orphans coming from overpopulated
neighborhoods o towns, and the term Chorea was popular because it has a very
clear and pleasant meaning in latin and greek: dance. So you cannot be sure
that in ancient times you had not an extraueropean ancestors. You cannot be
sure your surname is Corea because it is related to dance, to neighboroods,
or to one of the few Korean orphans carried here. But he last is an
exceptional event. Generally you're not sure 100 per cent of nothing about
your acenstors here : Ancient Romans, for instance, forced slaves from every
known land to come in Italy a lot of time before and after Christ.
> Maybe I Was Too Sensitive To the Word 'Discover'
> But To Non-Western People, Remark Such Like
> 'Their Country Was Discovered By Western' Seems Very Humiliated.
And I was fast to replay.
I absolutely don't undestand this humiliating meaning of "discover". In the
exact moment I discover you, you discover me. Humiliating is the word
"civilize", that was very used in Europe regarding other civilizations, but
at that time europeans thought that not-christians were destined to hell due
to a theocratic ideology or a razist one.
But "to discover" has not any despising significance.
Perhaps : We both are using another language, different from our mother
tongue. Is it possible in your mother tongue the word you translate as
"discover" has a despising meaning or assonance that we have not with
italian "scoprire" (discover in English)? In any case make attention that
both in italian and in english "discover" means : to divest a cap showing
something openly. In figurative sense means to uncover caps of own ignorance
seeing a new thing.
> You Treat Me Like idoit.
>
> You Heard That The Korean has World largest And The Most Extreme
> Abusive-Language Archive?
> (Some Dictionaries of Abusive-language was pressed From Time To Time)
> You Want Some Korean 'fuck You' or 'Mother Fucker' something like
> That?
I lived some years in Romania, Hungary and ex-URSS republics and every
friend there supported the fact that his language was the most estreme in
abusive language. You're the usual stubborn nationalist :)
Ok, I beg your pardon for "the idiot", but it was a lot of time I was
waiting to post that are-you-an-idiot link :-)
Be tolerant with different cultures and aware italians can insult and be
insulted forgetting all immediately
> Because I'm Different From YOU.
This is the first step before demonstrating which of our differences is
superior or at the end makes one of us more powerful
ciao
Armando
hy
>"hy" <tuls...@naver.com> ha scritto
>
>> Joka E Si-Bal-Num-A!
>> You Are The The Fucking Tipical Western People Who Thinks
>> Their Culture is Superior To Other Culture.
>
>
>Google not even report your phrases. Your language is internationally
>nothing !!!
Well
We Have Hangul Made By King Sejong in 1446
By 28 Korean Alphbet (Consonant +Vowel) We Can Express
To The 11172 Characters.
By This Magical Character Our Illiteracy Rate Is Going
To Nearly Zero.
Heard About UNESCO King Sejong Award Awarded Against Illiteracy?
And What Language Is Most Used In The Internet Next To English?
(By The Terms Of Web Page)
Korean.
I Insist Not So Much About That.
Generally Speaking, Internationally, Korean is Not So Much. Yes.
But I Want To Say Our Language And Character Never Inferior To Others
(Included YOURS)
The Joka E Si-Bal-Num-A Is The Phrase Foreigner Cannnot
Find the Meaning.
That is Not Hangul. (You Can't See Hangul Without
A Certain Application Or SetUp Internet Explore)
If This Written In Hangul , '좆까 이 씨발놈아.' <--- Can You See?
and Not Enlisted in Ordinary Dictionaries (Because Dirty Words)
>:)
>
>And then, what strange hours you use to replay messages ! Is it possible you
>inferior people sleep when we superior italians are awake and viceversa ?
There Is 8 Hour Difference Beween Seoul And Rome.
Don't Know Such Like Elementary School Stuff ?
Inferior, Superior <-------go to hell
Well, About Italian People, We Know less Than other Eurpeon People.
Only Ancient Rome And Renaissance Cultures And Some Fashoins Now.
Frankly Speaking, We Never Think Italian is Superior To Other
European,
Or Any Other People In the World.
Other Culture is Other Culture, Not Inferior, Not Superior,
Other Race, Nationaility, Too.
>Your country is upside-down ! :-D
Korea is In Her own Right Way Now That Foreigners cannot
Know About This Meaning.
So Much diffferculit Matter, I Cannot Explain About This to
Such Ignorant Foreinger Like You.
>It is astonishing OUR God gave you the gravity power so you can walk having
>your heads down and foot upside !!
>
Do You Want Some Real Abusive Korean Words, More?
Don't Say Stupid Thing.
'YOUR God?
Hell, He Seems Like Nearer To The Jewish' Own.
Is There Any Other YOUR OWN Italian God?
Korean Or Italian is Equal to The 'God'
(Many of koreans Who Have Religion are Christian)
>:-D
>
>ciao
>A
>
>
hy
wrote:
>"hy" <tuls...@naver.com> ha scritto
>
>> To The 11172 Characters.
>
>What a waste of time ! You need only the proper and right number of
>characters. Id est our one. :-)
>
No. It's Not Waste Of Time.
The More The Better The Amount Of Characters which can be Expressed.
Imagine Other Foreign Language and Thousands Of Non-Human Sound
Like The Thunder, The Wind, Cry Of Wild Animal, Strange Clicks, etc
Can Be easily Written Similliar To The Original Sound by These.
no more efforts, You Can Just write and Read.
(Hangul isn't perfect At that, Of course.
especially Need More consonants)
if interested, some reading stuff.
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~ozideas/writkor.htm
>
>Hy, you ignore the fact that a true italian wake up at 11.00 am. Then we eat
>pantagruelian dishes of spaghetti and pizza doing a siesta (afternoon's nap
>we call "sonnellino") and finally, at 6.00 p.m. we see if our subordinates
>have done their work. We don't need to work because we have a lot of
>inferiors foreigners subjected in servitude and captivities. We have
>conquered them through our imperialist power along milleniums of rightful
>colonialism.
>:)
>
Joke, Too...
not a nice joke.
>
>
>Yes Hy, I completely agree with you.
>I hope you understand I was joking after you said I despise others. I'm not
>even completely italian (my mother only is italian), and more : I'm buddhist
>
>I stop here.
>
>all the best to you and all Korean friends
>
>ciao
>Armando
>
>
Armando.
see You later In cheon-gug or jee-ok. (Heaven or Hell In korean).
Bye.
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You mentioned about koryo dynasty. At that time koryo had connection with Arabian merchandise. They called our country corea. That became Korea nowadays.
Source from Korean history books and textbook.
By the way I am Korean who is a history nerd.
greenki...@gmail.com
But, the country Korea is called, such not because it is crowded.
The country name Korea is originated from Koryo(고려 高麗) which is the name of an ancient dynasty that existed 1000 years ago in the current Korean peninsula.
At that time, some Korean merchants started having business in Italy, so the country Koryo was firstly known to western society and the name was so.
Putting your explanation and mine together, it is just coincidence that Corea/Korea is used as a family name and a name of a country.
fish...@gmail.com
Anyway, coming back to origin question.
I have found a reference how to start surname of Corea. I'm not sure that another surname of Corea had started a different way of it.
If you are interested of it, just read all.
I am writing a book on the Imjin War, Japan's invasion of Korea and attempt to conquer China in the years 1592-98. During the course of my research I have stumbled on some Korean sources that speak of an "Antonio Corea." He was supposedly a young Korean man taken captive by the Japanese during the Imjin War who later ended up in Rome (he had probably been sold to the Portuguese and trasported to Europe via Macao and Goa.) While in Rome an artist assumed to have been Rubens drew his portrait (Korean sources say the title of this drawing is "Man Wearing Hanbok" hanbok being the name of Korea's traditional garb). This drawing was later sold at Sotheby's auction house in 1983 for the then record rpice for a drawing of 324,000 pounds. This Antonio Corea is also mentioned in an early 17th century travel book written by a father and son by the name of Carlotti.
These Korean sources go on to claim that this Antonio Corea was later given his freedom and settled in the southern Italian town of "Albi." His descendants, numbering about 80, still live there today, and still have the same surname. These people evidently assert that they are descendants of a Korean. In 1986 a member of this family - named Antonio Corea like his ancestor - wrote to the president of Korea saying that he was the descendant of a Korean taken captive in the Imjin Warr, and wanted to visit Korea and learn about his roots. This man subsequently visited Korea in 1992 at the invitation of the Korean government as part of the 400th anniversary commemoration of the start of the Imjin War.
Sam Hawley
Yonsei University
Seoul, South Korea
I just searched how close between Albi and Calabria in province of Catanzaro that somebody commented here. It takes less than 2hrs by car.
What do you guys think about my researching?
hy
Joka E Si-Bal-Num-A!
You Are The The Fucking Tipical Western People Who Thinks
Their Culture is Superior To Other Culture.
And One More
Nie-mi SSib Ida.
Armando
> Joka E Si-Bal-Num-A!
> You Are The The Fucking Tipical Western People Who Thinks
> Their Culture is Superior To Other Culture.
Google not even report your phrases. Your language is internationally
nothing !!!
:)
And then, what strange hours you use to replay messages ! Is it possible you
inferior people sleep when we superior italians are awake and viceversa ?
Your country is upside-down ! :-D
It is astonishing OUR God gave you the gravity power so you can walk having
your heads down and foot upside !!
:-D
ciao
A
Armando
> To The 11172 Characters.
What a waste of time ! You need only the proper and right number of
characters. Id est our one. :-)
> If This Written In Hangul , '?? ? ????.' <--- Can You See?
> and Not Enlisted in Ordinary Dictionaries (Because Dirty Words)
No.
>> And then, what strange hours you use to replay messages ! Is it
>> possible you inferior people sleep when we superior italians are
>> awake and viceversa ?
>
> There Is 8 Hour Difference Beween Seoul And Rome.
> Don't Know Such Like Elementary School Stuff ?
Hy, you ignore the fact that a true italian wake up at 11.00 am. Then we eat
pantagruelian dishes of spaghetti and pizza doing a siesta (afternoon's nap
we call "sonnellino") and finally, at 6.00 p.m. we see if our subordinates
have done their work. We don't need to work because we have a lot of
inferiors foreigners subjected in servitude and captivities. We have
conquered them through our imperialist power along milleniums of rightful
colonialism.
:)
>> It is astonishing OUR God gave you the gravity power so you can walk
>> having your heads down and foot upside !!
>>
>
> Do You Want Some Real Abusive Korean Words, More?
> Don't Say Stupid Thing.
> 'YOUR God?
YES. Gods are as cheese out of refrigerators. When you export them, Gods
deteriorate and start to smell. You have to take care because when they
smell very much, suddenly a French can eat them.
> Inferior, Superior <-------go to hell
> Well, About Italian People, We Know less Than other Eurpeon People.
> Only Ancient Rome And Renaissance Cultures And Some Fashoins Now.
> Frankly Speaking, We Never Think Italian is Superior To Other
> European,
> Or Any Other People In the World.
> Other Culture is Other Culture, Not Inferior, Not Superior,
> Other Race, Nationaility, Too.
cwj...@gmail.com
Japanese changed to K because C comes befor J in alphabet during the colonization, which is better for us now.
K-pop is better than C-pop
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Obviously he doesn't know jack shit about Korea and it's origin of country name, yet he decides to concoct his own version of history and feed on to unsuspecting victims. Go study world history more and don't forget that the world does not revolve around you.
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dolg...@gmail.com
Come to italy
400years a go
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I have no idea where the Italian last name Corea comes from.
During the time of Paul Rubens however, the kingdom would have been called "Joseon" but that area (Korean Peninsula) was called Corea ever since Marco Polo visited the area.
DR...@teikyopost.edu
> These Korean sources go on to claim that this Antonio Corea
> was later given his freedom and settled in the southern Italian
> town of "Albi."
to "these Korean sources"?
chy9...@gmail.com
Korea, when first introduced to Arabian merchants, was Koryeo(고려). The country or dynasty's name back then about more than a thousand years ago was litterally 고려(sounds 'Koryeo'). The Arabian merchants kept on using that name, and eventually the country in Korean peninsula became to be known as 'Korea'.
charly...@gmail.com
>
> Some People Says Korean War Prisoner 'Antonio Corea' Was First
> Korean-Italian And From 'Antonio Corea' Italian Family Name 'Corea'
> Originated. Jazz Pianist Chic Corea, Included.
>
> Just Curious.
>
>
> Please, Answer Or Comment.
>
> Thanks A Lot.
We sang the Partizan song earlier than the modern Italiens.
When you realise the truth of world history, you would know why there's
a connection between Italy and Corea.
setsuna...@gmail.com
Edmond Dantes
> >"hy" <tuls...@naver.com> ha scritto
> >
> >> But I Must Tell You One Thing.
> >>
> >> 'Korea' Was Originated From Koryo Dynasty (A.D. 918 - 1392).
> >> (Like China Was Orignated From Chin Dynasty (B.C 221 - 207))
> >> Also Koryo Claimed Herself As successor To The Kingdom Of Kokuryo
> >> (B.C. 37 - A.D. 668), And Named After.
> >>
> >> Do You Think Italian Surname 'Corea' Has Been Existed Before B.C. 37?
> >
> >The info I wrote comes from Italian etymological Dictionarry Zanichelli (5
> >voll. Cortellazzo, Zolli 1987).
> >Probably the name Korea for the country had a great success thanks to the
> >concordance between dynasty name and the use of word korea to indicate
> >italian overpopulate neighborhoods. So they can be both correct.
> >
> >Surely there were italin surname Corea *before* the discovering of Korea
> >(and this is definitive about the question if having Corea surname implies
> >to have Korean ancestors : definitely no).
> >
> >Surely before BC 37 the latin word chorea and the greek choros existed ,
> >but in this case I don't know if they were used as surname.
> >
> >ciao
> >Armando
> The Case Of Italian Family Name 'Corea' Is OK.
> But, I Must Tell You One More.
> You Use The Word 'Discover' Again.
> We Are Not Primitive People Who Has Been Waiting 'Discovered' By YOU.
> We Has Been Living Well 'Before You Discovered Us'.
> And May Has Been Living Well 'If Not Discovered'.
> Our Korean Dicitionary Has 50,000 Over Korean Word.
> Also, Chosun Dynasty (A.D. 1392-1910) Has Her History Book
> Which Is Very Large To The Volume. # 1893 (Daily Written Exactly)
> Please, Don't Use The Disgusting Word Such Like 'Discovered'
>
> Who Discovered You?
I feel bad, too.
Even if 'DISCOVER' is a word that they use 'Usually', it makes me feel very ANGRY from the standpoint of listening.
I think it is a word that shows the attitude of looking at Korea in the West.