US forced to import bullets from Israel
torresD
Cetus
spewed this up:
>http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece
>
They'll probably blame this problem on Clinton. Actually, Israel makes
pretty good weapons. In the short term, buying from them may make a
bit of sense. In the long term, they should expand production right
here.
torresD
>http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece
>
Bill Levinson
Cetus wrote:
talk.politics.guns, it sounds like the Brady Campaign's work--
undermining American weapon manufacturers to the point where our Armed
Forces cannot defend themselves.
250,000 bullets per insurgent? They should never have gotten rid of the
M-1, whose effective range was almost half a mile...
George Z. Bush
> Cetus wrote:
>
> 250,000 bullets per insurgent? They should never have gotten rid of the
> M-1, whose effective range was almost half a mile...
This is obviously a bunch of nonsensical garbage started up by a troll. I
haven't fired a rifle in over 50 years, but give me just 1% of that amount of
ammo and the only way I'd fail to get someone with it would be if I was on a
totally deserted island completely devoid of targets.
George Z.
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I liked the M-14 myself but prefer a BAR 30 cal with Armor
Piercing Rounds!:?)
The M-16 doesn't cut it when going through Mud Brick or
Concrete that most of the Buildings are made of there.
Close quarters Combat in an urban environment like that
calls for full auto SAWS and M-60's that has some hitting Power.
Firefights are a lot like Nam in many ways that consume a
lot of rounds.
The thing that got me was the poor training they seemed to
have had when we first went in.
Seeing recruits firing with the Buts over their Shoulder at
a Target 300 yards away will always fall short!
Glad to see our Weekend Warriors learned quickly and don't
see that much in the News anymore.
!:?)
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')
So that would be like when you were shooting at a target while training?
The text says that a lot of these bullets were used in training. In
training. Get it?
--
So they are even more frightened than we are, he thought. Why, is this
all that's meant by heroism? And did I do it for the sake of my country?
And was he to blame with his dimple and his blue eyes? How frightened he
was! He thought I was going to kill him. Why should I kill him? My hand
trembled. And they have given me the St. George's Cross. I can't make it
out, I can't make it out! +-Leo Tolstoy, "War and Peace"
Cetus
<georg...@charter.net.nospam> spewed this up:
Possibly it is incorrect. Commanders claim there is no body count in
Iraq, and no news coming out to verify any story. Who knows when they
claim to arrest a new "third in charge" of Al Queda every week?
George Z. Bush
> "George Z. Bush" wrote:
>>
>> Bill Levinson wrote:
>>> Cetus wrote:
>>>
>>> 250,000 bullets per insurgent? They should never have gotten rid of the
>>> M-1, whose effective range was almost half a mile...
>>
>> This is obviously a bunch of nonsensical garbage started up by a troll. I
>> haven't fired a rifle in over 50 years, but give me just 1% of that amount of
>> ammo and the only way I'd fail to get someone with it would be if I was on a
>> totally deserted island completely devoid of targets.
>>
> So that would be like when you were shooting at a target while training?
> The text says that a lot of these bullets were used in training. In
> training. Get it?
Of course I got it. Didn't I just call it a bunch of nonsensical garbage? BTW,
the original posting on 9/24, which was to a UK link, said this:
"US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel
killed
By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
Published: 25 September 2005
US forces have fired so many bullets in Iraq and Afghanistan - an estimated
250,000 for every insurgent killed - that American ammunition-makers cannot keep
up with demand......"
That's pretty specific and it doesn't even mention training rounds. I also find
it kind of interesting that they were able to post their bullshit the day BEFORE
it was published. I don't know about you, but it sure smells like troll to me.
George Z.
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')
"George Z. Bush" wrote:
>
> Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
> > "George Z. Bush" wrote:
> >>
> >> Bill Levinson wrote:
> >>> Cetus wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 250,000 bullets per insurgent? They should never have gotten rid of the
> >>> M-1, whose effective range was almost half a mile...
> >>
> >> This is obviously a bunch of nonsensical garbage started up by a troll. I
> >> haven't fired a rifle in over 50 years, but give me just 1% of that amount of
> >> ammo and the only way I'd fail to get someone with it would be if I was on a
> >> totally deserted island completely devoid of targets.
> >>
> > So that would be like when you were shooting at a target while training?
> > The text says that a lot of these bullets were used in training. In
> > training. Get it?
>
> Of course I got it. Didn't I just call it a bunch of nonsensical garbage? BTW,
> the original posting on 9/24, which was to a UK link, said this:
>
> "US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel
> killed
> By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
> Published: 25 September 2005
> US forces have fired so many bullets in Iraq and Afghanistan - an estimated
> 250,000 for every insurgent killed - that American ammunition-makers cannot keep
> up with demand......"
>
> That's pretty specific and it doesn't even mention training rounds.
>
It doesn't mention rounds used to suppress the enemy either. Do you
think that the US had the terrorists in its sights 250,000 times before
it got one of them?
> I also find
> it kind of interesting that they were able to post their bullshit the day BEFORE
> it was published. I don't know about you, but it sure smells like troll to me.
>
What are you talking about? BTW, the text I read certainly did mention
training rounds, just not in the paragraph you quote.
Chris Morton
recirculation' says...
>> That's pretty specific and it doesn't even mention training rounds.
>>
>It doesn't mention rounds used to suppress the enemy either. Do you
>think that the US had the terrorists in its sights 250,000 times before
>it got one of them?
The US has been buying ammunition from Israel for twenty years. I was shooting
TZZ Match .45 back in '83 and '84.
--
--
Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with 210lb.
rapists.
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')
Chris Morton wrote:
>
> In article <4338151D...@magersfontein.co.uk>, 'by a commodius vicus of
> recirculation' says...
>
> >> That's pretty specific and it doesn't even mention training rounds.
> >>
> >It doesn't mention rounds used to suppress the enemy either. Do you
> >think that the US had the terrorists in its sights 250,000 times before
> >it got one of them?
>
> The US has been buying ammunition from Israel for twenty years. I was shooting
> TZZ Match .45 back in '83 and '84.
>
Certainly the US has been importing ammunition for years. The issue
would be the US military having to do so because of constraints in
domestic capabilities. These first because acute when Clinton was
president, due mainly to a reticence on his part to invest in the
military. Cutting to the bone and hoping people could shoot straight
without enough practice were acceptable since, well, we weren't at war
then, you know.
George Z. Bush
You can't be addressing your question to me.....I've already clearly stated that
I thought the whole thing was a bunch of bullshit. Turn me loose with 2,500
rounds in an environment with targets and I guarantee that I'll get at least one
before I run out of ammo.
>
>
>> I also find
>> it kind of interesting that they were able to post their bullshit the day
>> BEFORE it was published. I don't know about you, but it sure smells like
>> troll to me.
>>
> What are you talking about?
The story I quoted clearly included the notation "Published 25 September
2005".....yet the message posted on the Internet talking about it appeared the
day before it was published. I thought that was perfectly clear.
> ....BTW, the text I read certainly did mention training rounds, just not in
> the paragraph you quote.
Unlike you, I didn't find it necessary to read that far into their fairy tale to
determine that it was a bunch of garbage. The lead paragraph in any published
story is supposed to be a forerunner of the contents of the entire article.
When you jump to a conclusion in the lead paragraph that is not bourne out in
the rest of the story, that's called misleading the public. This particular
story and its author deserve to be consigned to oblivion.
George Z.
Bill Levinson
!:?)No.Spam wrote:
> Bill Levinson wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Cetus wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 03:54:37 GMT, "torresD" <torr...@hotmail.com>
>>> spewed this up:
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They'll probably blame this problem on Clinton. Actually, Israel makes
>>> pretty good weapons. In the short term, buying from them may make a
>>> bit of sense. In the long term, they should expand production right
>>> here.
>>
>>
>>
>> talk.politics.guns, it sounds like the Brady Campaign's work--
>> undermining American weapon manufacturers to the point where our Armed
>> Forces cannot defend themselves.
>>
>> 250,000 bullets per insurgent? They should never have gotten rid of
>> the M-1, whose effective range was almost half a mile...
>>
>
> I liked the M-14 myself but prefer a BAR 30 cal with Armor Piercing
> Rounds!:?)
> The M-16 doesn't cut it when going through Mud Brick or Concrete that
> most of the Buildings are made of there.
>
> Close quarters Combat in an urban environment like that calls for full
> auto SAWS and M-60's that has some hitting Power.
> Firefights are a lot like Nam in many ways that consume a lot of rounds.
I heard that the Thompson submachine gun also had a good reputation for
applications of that nature.
What surprises me, though, is that they don't use flamethrowers and
rocket launchers to flush the bad guys out of buildings in urban combat.
It's a difficult problem-- during Poland's war with Sweden in 1655, the
Swedes knocked holes between adjoining buildings so that, if they were
forced out of one, they could go next door. The Poles, meanwhile, used
improvised "Kevlar"-- sheaves of unthreshed grain, which would
apparently stop musket fire.
> The thing that got me was the poor training they seemed to have had when
> we first went in.
> Seeing recruits firing with the Buts over their Shoulder at a Target 300
> yards away will always fall short!
Even I know enough to put the butt against my shoulder! (In my father's
time, if you didn't, you got kicked HARD by a Springfield '03 or M-1.)
The Rvd
wrote:
>In article <4338151D...@magersfontein.co.uk>, 'by a commodius vicus of
>recirculation' says...
>
>>> That's pretty specific and it doesn't even mention training rounds.
>>>
>>It doesn't mention rounds used to suppress the enemy either. Do you
>>think that the US had the terrorists in its sights 250,000 times before
>>it got one of them?
>
>The US has been buying ammunition from Israel for twenty years. I was shooting
>TZZ Match .45 back in '83 and '84.
Yo Chrissie! Whassup, boy?
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')
"George Z. Bush" wrote:
>
> Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
> > "George Z. Bush" wrote:
> >>
> > It doesn't mention rounds used to suppress the enemy either. Do you
> > think that the US had the terrorists in its sights 250,000 times before
> > it got one of them?
>
> You can't be addressing your question to me.....I've already clearly stated that
> I thought the whole thing was a bunch of bullshit. Turn me loose with 2,500
> rounds in an environment with targets and I guarantee that I'll get at least one
> before I run out of ammo.
>
What if your responsibility is to fire in an area with enemy to keep
them from showing themselves? The assumption that war is just a bunch of
one shot, one kill sniping is absurd.
>
> >
> >> I also find
> >> it kind of interesting that they were able to post their bullshit the day
> >> BEFORE it was published. I don't know about you, but it sure smells like
> >> troll to me.
> >>
> > What are you talking about?
>
> The story I quoted clearly included the notation "Published 25 September
> 2005".....yet the message posted on the Internet talking about it appeared the
> day before it was published. I thought that was perfectly clear.
>
How do you know that the publish date wasn't when it was in the printed
edition and it was made available earlier on a website of the newspaper?
> > ....BTW, the text I read certainly did mention training rounds, just not in
> > the paragraph you quote.
>
> Unlike you, I didn't find it necessary to read that far into their fairy tale to
> determine that it was a bunch of garbage. The lead paragraph in any published
> story is supposed to be a forerunner of the contents of the entire article.
>
Not if you are trying to sucker people into reading the entire thing.
> When you jump to a conclusion in the lead paragraph that is not bourne out in
> the rest of the story, that's called misleading the public. This particular
> story and its author deserve to be consigned to oblivion.
>
How about the editor and the newspaper?
torresD
"George Z. Bush" <georg...@charter.net.nospam> wrote in message
news:clGZe.19228$X6....@fe05.lga...
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece
Chris Morton
I see the NAMBLA meeting let out early....
torresD
said that the Pentagon eventually found
two producers capable of meeting its
requirements.
One of these was the US firm Olin-Winchester.
The other was Israel Military Industries,
an Israeli ammunition manufacturer linked
to the Israeli government,
which produces the bulk of weapons
and ordnance for the Israeli Defence
Force.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece
US forced to import bullets from
Israel as troops use 250,000 for
every rebel killed
By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
Published: 25 September 2005
US forces have fired so many
bullets in Iraq and Afghanistan -
an estimated 250,000 for
every insurgent killed -
that American ammunition-makers
cannot keep up with demand.
As a result the US is having
to import supplies from Israel.
A government report says that US
forces are now using 1.8 billion
rounds of small-arms ammunition
a year.
The total has more than doubled in five years,
largely as a result of the wars in Afghanistan
and Iraq, as well as changes in military doctrine.
"The Department of Defense's
increased requirements for small-
and medium-calibre ammunitions have
largely been driven by increased
weapons training requirements,
dictated by the army's
transformation to a more
self-sustaining and lethal force -
which was accelerated after
the attacks of 11 September, 2001 -
and by the deployment of forces
to conduct recent US military
actions in Afghanistan and Iraq,"
said the report by the
General Accounting Office (GAO).
Estimating how many bullets US
forces have expended for every
insurgent killed is not a simple
or precisely scientific matter.
The former head of US forces in Iraq,
General Tommy Franks,
famously claimed
that his forces
"don't do body counts".
But senior officers have
recently claimed "great successes"
in Iraq,
based on counting the
bodies of insurgents killed.
Maj-Gen Rick Lynch,
the top US military spokesman in Iraq,
said 1,534 insurgents had been seized
or killed in a recent operation in the
west of Baghdad.
Other estimates from military officials
suggest that at least 20,000 insurgents
have been killed in President George Bush's
"war on terror".
John Pike,
director of the Washington military
research group GlobalSecurity.org,
said that, based on the GAO's figures,
US forces had expended around six
billion bullets between 2002 and 2005.
"How many evil-doers have we sent to
their maker using bullets rather than
bombs?
I don't know," he said.
"If they don't do body counts, how can I?
But using these figures it works
out at around 300,000 bullets per
insurgent.
Let's round that down to 250,000
so that we are underestimating."
Pointing out that officials say many
of these bullets have been used for
training purposes, he said:
"What are you training for?
To kill insurgents."
Kathy Kelly,
a spokeswoman for the peace
group Voices in the Wilderness,
said Mr Bush believed security
for the American people could
come only from the use of force.
Truer security would be achieved
if the US developed fairer relations
with other countries and was not
involved in the occupation of Iraq.
The President,
said Ms Kelly,
should learn from Israel's experience
of "occupying the Palestinians" rather
than buying its ammunition.
The GAO report notes that
the three government-owned,
contractor-operated
plants that produce small-
and medium-calibre ammunition were built in 1941.
Though millions of dollars have been
spent on upgrading the facilities,
they remain unable to meet current
munitions needs in their current state.
"The government-owned plant producing
small-calibre ammunition cannot meet
the increased requirements,
even with modernisation efforts,"
said the report.
"Also, commercial producers within
the national technology and industrial
base have not had the capacity to meet
these requirements.
As a result,
the Department of Defense had to
rely at least in part on foreign
commercial producers to meet its
small-calibre ammunition needs."
A report in Manufacturing & Technology News
said that the Pentagon eventually found
two producers capable of meeting its
requirements.
One of these was the US firm Olin-Winchester.
The other was Israel Military Industries,
an Israeli ammunition manufacturer linked
to the Israeli government,
which produces the bulk of weapons
and ordnance for the Israeli Defence
Force.
The Pentagon reportedly bought
313 million rounds of 5.56mm,
7.62mm and 50-calibre ammunition
last year and paid $10m (about £5.5m)
more than it would have cost for it
to produce the ammunition at its
own facilities.
US forces have fired so many
bullets in Iraq and Afghanistan -
an estimated 250,000 for
every insurgent killed -
that American ammunition-makers
cannot keep up with demand.
As a result the US is having
to import supplies from Israel.
A government report says that US
forces are now using 1.8 billion
rounds of small-arms ammunition a year.
The total has more than doubled in five years,
largely as a result of the
wars in Afghanistan and Iraq,
as well as changes in military
doctrine.
"The Department of Defense's
increased requirements for small-
and medium-calibre ammunitions
have largely been driven by
increased weapons training
requirements,
dictated by the army's transformation
to a more self-sustaining and lethal force -
which was accelerated after
the attacks of 11 September, 2001 -
and by the deployment of forces to
conduct recent US military actions
in Afghanistan and Iraq,"
said the report by the
General Accounting Office (GAO).
Estimating how many bullets US forces
have expended for every insurgent killed
is not a simple or precisely scientific
matter.
The former head of US forces in Iraq,
General Tommy Franks, famously claimed
that his forces "don't do body counts".
But senior officers have recently
claimed "great successes" in Iraq,
based on counting the
bodies of insurgents killed.
Maj-Gen Rick Lynch,
the top US military spokesman in Iraq,
said 1,534 insurgents had been seized
or killed in a recent operation in
the west of Baghdad.
Other estimates from military officials
suggest that at least 20,000 insurgents
have been killed in President George Bush's
"war on terror".
John Pike, director of the Washington
military research group GlobalSecurity.org,
said that, based on the GAO's figures,
US forces had expended around six
billion bullets between 2002 and 2005.
"How many evil-doers have we sent to
their maker using bullets rather than
bombs? I don't know," he said.
"If they don't do body counts, how can I?
But using these figures it works out
at around 300,000 bullets per insurgent.
Let's round that down to
250,000 so that we are
underestimating."
Pointing out that officials say many
of these bullets have been used for
training purposes, he said:
"What are you training for?
To kill insurgents."
Kathy Kelly,
a spokeswoman for the peace group Voices in the Wilderness,
said Mr Bush believed security for the American people
could come only from the use of force.
Truer security would be achieved if the
US developed fairer relations with other
countries and was not involved in the
occupation of Iraq.
The President, said Ms Kelly,
should learn from Israel's experience
of "occupying the Palestinians" rather
than buying its ammunition.
The GAO report notes that
the three government-owned,
contractor-operated
plants that produce small-
and medium-calibre ammunition
were built in 1941.
Though millions of dollars have been
spent on upgrading the facilities,
they remain unable to meet current
munitions needs in their current state.
"The government-owned plant producing
small-calibre ammunition cannot meet
the increased requirements,
even with modernisation efforts," said the report.
"Also,
commercial producers within the national
technology and industrial base have not
had the capacity to meet these requirements.
As a result,
the Department of Defense had to
rely at least in part on foreign
commercial producers to meet its
small-calibre ammunition needs."
A report in Manufacturing & Technology
News said that the Pentagon eventually
found two producers capable of meeting
its requirements. One of these was the
US firm Olin-Winchester.
The other was Israel Military Industries,
an Israeli ammunition manufacturer linked
to the Israeli government,
which produces the bulk of weapons
and ordnance for the Israeli
Defence Force.
The Pentagon reportedly bought
313 million rounds of 5.56mm,
7.62mm and 50-calibre ammunition
last year and paid $10m
(about £5.5m) more than it would
have cost for it to produce the
ammunition at its own facilities.
torresD
"George Z. Bush" <georg...@charter.net.nospam> wrote in message
A report in Manufacturing & Technology News
said that the Pentagon eventually found
two producers capable of meeting its
requirements.
One of these was the US firm Olin-Winchester.
The other was Israel Military Industries,
an Israeli ammunition manufacturer linked
to the Israeli government,
which produces the bulk of weapons
and ordnance for the Israeli Defence
Force.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece
US forced to import bullets from
Israel as troops use 250,000 for
every rebel killed
By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
Published: 25 September 2005
US forces have fired so many
bullets in Iraq and Afghanistan -
an estimated 250,000 for
every insurgent killed -
that American ammunition-makers
To kill insurgents."
The President,
said Ms Kelly,
even with modernisation efforts,"
said the report.
As a result,
US forces have fired so many
bullets in Iraq and Afghanistan -
an estimated 250,000 for
every insurgent killed -
that American ammunition-makers
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')
torresD wrote:
>
> "George Z. Bush" <georg...@charter.net.nospam> wrote in message
> out in the rest of the story, that's called misleading the
> > public. This particular story and its author deserve to be consigned to
> > oblivion.
> >
> > George Z.
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece
>
> US forced to import bullets from
> Israel as troops use 250,000 for
> every rebel killed
>
> By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
> Published: 25 September 2005
>
Torresdense, you lead head, stop spamming this newsgroup with your
nonsense.
George Z. Bush
> "George Z. Bush" <georg...@charter.net.nospam> wrote in message
> news:bOVZe.263$wg7...@fe06.lga...
>> Unlike you, I didn't find it necessary to read that far into their fairy
>> tale to determine that it was a bunch of garbage. The lead paragraph in
>> any published story is supposed to be a forerunner of the contents of the
>> entire article. When you jump to a conclusion in the lead paragraph that
>> is not bourne out in the rest of the story, that's called misleading the
>> public. This particular story and its author deserve to be consigned to
>> oblivion.
>>
>> George Z.
>
> A report in Manufacturing & Technology News
> said that the Pentagon eventually found
> two producers capable of meeting its
> requirements. One of these was the US firm Olin-Winchester.
>
> The other was Israel Military Industries, an Israeli ammunition manufacturer
> linked
> to the Israeli government, which produces the bulk of weapons
> and ordnance for the Israeli Defence Force.
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece
So what does that have to do with the cockamamie story in the British rag about
needing a quarter of a million rounds of ammo to pop off one insurgent? One
plus one equals three?
George Z.
Bill Levinson
Chris Morton wrote:
> In article <43383130...@news.onetel.net.uk>, The Rvd says...
>
>>
>>Yo Chrissie! Whassup, boy?
>
>
> I see the NAMBLA meeting let out early....
NAMBLA is into boys. The Revnd is into cattle and other livestock. This
is on record.
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
alt.games.diablo snipped from distribution list; please check for
excessive crossposting by the Revnd.
--Bill
The Rvd
wrote:
>In article <43383130...@news.onetel.net.uk>, The Rvd says...
>>
>>On 26 Sep 2005 09:00:16 -0700, Chris Morton <cmo...@newsguy.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <4338151D...@magersfontein.co.uk>, 'by a commodius vicus of
>>>recirculation' says...
>>>
>>>>> That's pretty specific and it doesn't even mention training rounds.
>>>>>
>>>>It doesn't mention rounds used to suppress the enemy either. Do you
>>>>think that the US had the terrorists in its sights 250,000 times before
>>>>it got one of them?
>>>
>>>The US has been buying ammunition from Israel for twenty years. I was shooting
>>>TZZ Match .45 back in '83 and '84.
>>
>>Yo Chrissie! Whassup, boy?
>
>I see the NAMBLA meeting let out early....
NA being nigra-american, boy?
Who keeps letting nigras into our jew newsgroup?
The Rvd
<kitc...@omdurman.org> wrote:
>
>
>Chris Morton wrote:
>
>> In article <43383130...@news.onetel.net.uk>, The Rvd says...
>>
>
>>>
>>>Yo Chrissie! Whassup, boy?
>>
>>
>> I see the NAMBLA meeting let out early....
>
>NAMBLA is into boys. The Revnd is into cattle and other livestock. This
>is on record.
>
>MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Does Chrissie know you refer to Arabs as "sand niggers", Levinstein?
JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
>alt.games.diablo snipped from distribution list; please check for
>excessive crossposting by the Revnd.
alt.games.diablo restored to distribution list.
!:?)
Flamethrowers would be a bad Idea in that envirement but the
Rocket Launcher they are using.
Only problem is they are expensive and they get so few of them.
Use once and throw away.
What we need to do is start using the Captured RPG's like we
used Bazookas in WW2 and Korea!
And start thinking about REUSUABLE instead of THROWAWAY for
Anti Personal!
It's Cheaper and gets the Job done just as well.
Using a Tank Rocket on Personal is a waste when older
Cheaper Tech does the job just as well.
>
>> The thing that got me was the poor training they seemed to have had
>> when we first went in.
>> Seeing recruits firing with the Buts over their Shoulder at a Target
>> 300 yards away will always fall short!
>
> Even I know enough to put the butt against my shoulder! (In my father's
> time, if you didn't, you got kicked HARD by a Springfield '03 or M-1.)
>
>
And watch your Thumb with that Springfield too!:?)
Great Sniper Rifle even without a Scope.
I couldn't believe it when I saw that in the News!
And not just one but several different News Channels with
Different Embedded Reporters!
How could you hit anything like that?
It puts the whole Squad in jeopardy!
Alamo anyone?
I wrote so many letters over that to have someone pull them
from the front line for retraining in the Field before they
got themselved cut off without Ammo.
I hope somebody read them!
Nobody hunts anymore I guess.
They need people to train these puppies how to do it right.
Guard Training must have cut a few corners to save money
that should have been spent to teach them to stay alive.
No wonder they are taking Nam and Korea Vets!
But I don't want to go down that road, they're doing it
right now.
Kevin
!:?)
You right most of those rounds are from training.
But many more are the envirement too.
5.56 don't do all that well against Mud Brick and Concrete
that many of the Buldings are made of there!
Provides too good a cover for the enemy.
Dig a few BAR's out with Armor Piercing Ammo for each Squad
would help.
What we should do is reissue the Captured RPG's to our Troops.
Rockets are Expensive, Heavy and use once only!
And issued only one per squad if they are lucky.
We need to go back to basics and use the KISS method.
A simple reusable Bazooka or RPG is what we need against
Personal dug in.
Kevin
Chris Morton
>Does Chrissie know you refer to Arabs as "sand niggers", Levinstein?
>JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Does he know that you jerk off to a Hanson poster?
Chris Morton
>>>Yo Chrissie! Whassup, boy?
>>
>>I see the NAMBLA meeting let out early....
>
>NA being nigra-american, boy?
You're Black?
That's embarassing....
>Who keeps letting nigras into our jew newsgroup?
Who's going to keep "nigras" out?
Not you. You're too busy masturbating to a picture of Haley Joel Osment.
The Revvd
wrote:
>In article <4338ac7a...@news.onetel.net.uk>, The Rvd says...
>
>>Does Chrissie know you refer to Arabs as "sand niggers", Levinstein?
>>JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
>
>Does he know that you jerk off to a Hanson poster?
Who's Hanson and why do nigras like you jerk off to his posters?
The Revvd
wrote:
>In article <4338ac32...@news.onetel.net.uk>, The Rvd says...
>
>>>>Yo Chrissie! Whassup, boy?
>>>
>>>I see the NAMBLA meeting let out early....
>>
>>NA being nigra-american, boy?
>
>You're Black?
No, but you are, boy.
>That's embarassing....
Being black is unfortunate but not necessarily embarrassing.
>>Who keeps letting nigras into our jew newsgroup?
>
>Who's going to keep "nigras" out?
De white people, boy!
>Not you. You're too busy masturbating to a picture of Haley Joel Osment.
Why do you masturbate to pictures of jews, boy?
Chris Morton
>
>On 27 Sep 2005 05:42:38 -0700, Chris Morton <cmo...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <4338ac32...@news.onetel.net.uk>, The Rvd says...
>>
>>>>>Yo Chrissie! Whassup, boy?
>>>>
>>>>I see the NAMBLA meeting let out early....
>>>
>>>NA being nigra-american, boy?
>>
>>You're Black?
>
>No, but you are, boy.
And it only took MONTHS of my saying so for you to figure it out.
What genius.
You must be the 5th or 6th smartest NAMBLA guy.
>>That's embarassing....
>
>Being black is unfortunate but not necessarily embarrassing.
Your being Black would be unfortunate for Black people. Of course anyone would
be ashamed to be associated with you.
>>>Who keeps letting nigras into our jew newsgroup?
>>
>>Who's going to keep "nigras" out?
>
>De white people, boy!
You don't seem to be able to do that. I guess you're not White... or a person.
>Why do you masturbate to pictures of jews, boy?
If I did, they'd be ADULT, FEMALE Jews.
The Revvd
wrote:
>In article <433944a3...@news.onetel.net.uk>, The Revvd says...
>>
>>On 27 Sep 2005 05:42:38 -0700, Chris Morton <cmo...@newsguy.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <4338ac32...@news.onetel.net.uk>, The Rvd says...
>>>
>>>>>>Yo Chrissie! Whassup, boy?
>>>>>
>>>>>I see the NAMBLA meeting let out early....
>>>>
>>>>NA being nigra-american, boy?
>>>
>>>You're Black?
>>
>>No, but you are, boy.
>
>And it only took MONTHS of my saying so for you to figure it out.
I've been saying it from Day One, boy!
>What genius.
You bet, boy!
>You must be the 5th or 6th smartest NAMBLA guy.
Does the "NA" stand for nigra-american, boy?
>>>That's embarassing....
>>
>>Being black is unfortunate but not necessarily embarrassing.
>
>Your being Black would be unfortunate for Black people. Of course anyone would
>be ashamed to be associated with you.
Anybody being black is unfortunate, boy!
>>>>Who keeps letting nigras into our jew newsgroup?
>>>
>>>Who's going to keep "nigras" out?
>>
>>De white people, boy!
>
>You don't seem to be able to do that. I guess you're not White... or a person.
You won't last long, boy.
>>Why do you masturbate to pictures of jews, boy?
>
>If I did, they'd be ADULT, FEMALE Jews.
Don't you like ADULT, FEMALE NIGRAS, boy?
The Department of Defense
enough to post about 50 times to a bot. Just thought I would let you know
how retarded pure_bred is.
The Revvd
You lick nigra ass as well, Doodoo?
edi...@netpath.net
> Nobody hunts anymore I guess.
Wrong. Come down here to North Carolina - where hunting is not only
very common, but hardly is just a rich man's game. It's how lots of
people get meat to eat.
The American military's problem is that - outside of the elite units
doing most of the heavy fighting in Iraq, which really are recruited
from places like this - too high a percentage of their troops are urban
recruits, with no rifle experience before enlisting and little rifle
training after. The Army has been plagued by this problem since its
Nam days.
No $4 to park! No $6 admission!
http://stores.ebay.com/INTERNET-GUN-SHOW
meje...@hotmail.com
What is that brown stain on your tongue?
Michael
dstaples
"The Revvd" <renne*d...@anglikooon.org> wrote in message
news:433a25cd...@news.onetel.net.uk...
Dont know about him, but you can kiss my ass.
>
Mickey
"dstaples" <dsta...@livingston.net> wrote in message
news:11jlv96...@corp.supernews.com...
Be VERY careful there, he'll take you up ont he offer.
The Revvd
Without in any way wishing to be rude, why don't you go fuck yourself?
The Revvd
wrote:
Yo Mouth! Whassup, asshole?
Recent "truths", by Mickey Ben Tovim (a.k.a. Micky Marine, Micky Mouth
et. al.)
WARNING: Do not drink while reading this
"I am an Israeli"
"I am an American"
"People think I'm Italian"
"I have a B'rooklyn accent you could cut with a chainsaw"
"I served with the IDF"
"I served with the US Marines"
"I was wounded in Vietnam"
"I was decorated in Vietnam"
"I wasn't even in Vietnam most of the time"
"I played bridge with Omar Sharif"
"I am a multi-millionaire"
"I drive a Ferrari"
"I own 1.65 million shares of Comcast"
"My grandchildren couldn't spend all the money I made"
"I would starve on $250 million"
"I'm retired"
"I work as a systems analyst in Detroit"
"I get paid $155 an hour"
"I live in Tiberias, Israel"
"I live in Sarasota, Florida"
"I have an apartment in NYC"
"I have an apartment in Atlanta"
"I have an apartment in California"
"My wife is half-Italian"
"My wife is half-Scottish"
"My wife is jewish"
"I'm hung like a horse"
"I don't need Viagra"
"I have nine children"
"My eldest son died in his sleep"
"I have MS"
"Radavich is a jew"
"I have proved everything I've said"
But the best I saved for last:
"If you and she are examples of what jewish women have come to, I'm
glad I didn't marry one. I would bet you could nag a man to death as
well."
Oh, we could go on for days, but you get the picture.