Re: A Closer Look at the Talmud
cornholio
Starr"<zoroastrians.cult.in.decl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> A Closer Look at the Talmud
>
> The Talmud is Judaism's Holiest Book
>
I thought the Torah was islamotard?
> The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its
> authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of
> this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My
> son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in
> the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."
>
> The supremacy of the Talmud over the Bible in the Israeli state may also be
> seen in the case of the Black Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopians have more knowledge
> of the Old Testament than the Israelis. However, their religion is so
> ancient it pre-dates the Scribes' Talmud, of which the Ethiopians have no
> knowledge. According to the N.Y. Times of Sept. 29, 1992, p.4:
>
> "The problem is that Ethiopian Jewish tradition goes no further than the
> Bible or Torah; the later Talmud and other commentaries that form the basis
> of modern traditions never came their way."
>
> Because they don't traffic in Talmudic traditions, the Black Ethiopian Jews
> are discriminated against and have been forbidden by the Zionists to perform
> marriages, funerals and other services in the Israeli state.
>
> Rabbi Joseph D. Soloveitchik is regarded as one of the most influential
> rabbis of the 20th century, the "unchallenged leader" of Orthodox Judaism
> and the top international authority on halakha (Jewish religious law).
> Soloveitchik was responsible for instructing and ordaining more than 2,000
> rabbis, "an entire generation" of Jewish leadership.
>
> N.Y. Times religion reporter Ari Goldman described the basis of the rabbi's
> authority:
>
> "Soloveitchik came from a long line of distinguished Talmudic scholars ...
> Until his early 20s, he devoted himself almost exclusively to the study of
> the Talmud ... He came to Yeshiva University's Elchanan Theological Seminary
> where he remained the pre-eminent teacher in the Talmud ... He held the
> title of Leib Merkin professor of Talmud ... sitting with his feet crossed
> in front of a table bearing an open volume of the Talmud." (N.Y. Times,
> April 10, 1993, p. 38).
>
> Nowhere does Goldman refer to Soloveitchik's knowledge of the Bible as the
> basis for being one of the top world authorities on Jewish law. The rabbi's
> credentials are all predicated upon his mastery of the Talmud. All other
> studies are clearly secondary. Britain's Jewish Chronicle of March 26, 1993
> states that in religious school (yeshiva), Jews are "devoted to the Talmud
> to the exclusion of everything else." The Jewish Scribes claim the Talmud is
> partly a collection of traditions Moses gave them in oral form. These had
> not yet been written down in Jesus' time. Christ condemned the traditions of
> the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and Pharisees),
> because the Talmud nullifies the teachings of the Holy Bible. Shmuel Safrai
> in The Literature of the Sages Part One (p.164), points out that in chapters
> 4 and 5 of the Talmud's Gittin Tractate, the Talmud nullifes the Biblical
> teaching concerning money-lending: "Hillel decreed the prozbul for the
> betterment of the world.' The 'prozbul' is a legal fiction which allows
> debts to be collected after the Sabbatical year and it was Hillel's
> intention thereby to overcome the fear that money-lenders had of losing
> their money."
>
> The famous warning of Jesus Christ about the tradition of men that voids
> Scripture (Mark 7:1-13), which is used against Catholics by Protestants, is
> in fact, a direct reference to the Talmud, or more specifically, the
> forerunner of the first part of it, the Mishnah, which existed in oral form
> during Christ's lifetime, before being committed to writing. Mark. chapter 7,
> from verse one through thirteen, represents Our Lord's pointed condemnation
> of the Mishnah.
>
> Unfortunately, due to the abysmal ignorance of our day, the widespread
> Judeo-Christian notion is that the Old Testament is the supreme book of
> Judaism. But this is not so. The Pharisees teach for doctrine the
> commandments of rabbis, not God.
>
> The Talmudic commentary on the Bible is their supreme law, and not the Bible
> itself. That commentary does indeed, as Jesus said, void the laws of God,
> not uphold them. As readers of Talmud, we know this to be true.
>
> Jewish scholar Hyam Maccoby, in "Judaism on Trial," quotes Rabbi Yehiel ben
> Joseph:
>
> "Further, without the Talmud, we would not be able to understand passages in
> the Bible ... God has handed this authority to the sages and tradition is a
> necessity as well as scripture. The Sages also made enactments of their own .
> .. anyone who does not study the Talmud cannot understand Scripture."
>
> There is a small Jewish sect which makes considerable effort to eschew
> Talmud and adhere to the Old Testament alone. These are the Karaites, a most
> hated and severely persecuted group within Judaism.
>
> To the Mishnah the rabbis later added the Gemara (rabbinical commentaries).
> Together these comprise the Talmud. There are two versions, the Jerusalem
> Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud. The Babylonian Talmud is regarded as the
> authoritative version: "The authority of the Babylonian Talmud is also
> greater than that of the Jerusalem Talmud. In cases of doubt the former is
> decisive." (R.C. Musaph-Andriesse, From Torah to Kabbalah: A Basic
> Introduction to the Writings of Judaism, p. 40).
>
> This study is based on the Jewish-authorized Babylonian Talmud. We have
> published herein the authenticated sayings of the Jewish Talmud. Look them
> up for yourself.
>
> Continued
>
> http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/judaism/closer.htm
>
> url:http://www.myreader.co.uk/gp/1212-1.aspx
Saracene
> On Jan 6, 9:44 am, "Zora
>
> Starr"<zoroastrians.cult.in.decl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > A Closer Look at the Talmud
>
> > The Talmud is Judaism's Holiest Book
>
> I thought the Torah was islamotard?
>
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Ah... "Talmud".
Another word for the subject killfile
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TheZ
The Torah is the 5 books of Moses supposedly handed to Moses by God.
The Torah is the holiest book in Judaism not the Talmud.
"cornholio" <andx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Saracene
> The Talmud is a collection of laws and traditions.
> The Torah is the 5 books of Moses supposedly handed to Moses by God.
> The Torah is the holiest book in Judaism not the Talmud.
http://scheinerman.net/judaism/ideas/torah.html
>
Judaism knows of two Torahs: a written Torah and an oral Torah.
According to tradition, at the time God gave Moses the Torah just
referred to on Mount Sinai, God also transmitted an Oral Torah which
was passed down by word of mouth for many, many generations. Finally,
after the Destruction of the Second Temple (70 C.E.), when the Jewish
people was threatened with extinction, it became necessary to write
down the Oral Torah in order to preserve it. The Oral Torah referred
to in this tradition is none other than the Talmud. In fact, the
Talmud consists of the Mishnah (the core material, compiled by Judah
HaNasi around 200 C.E., but containing teachings of the first century
B.C.E. and the first and second centuries C.E., and the Gemara, a
commentary and expansion of the Mishnah which was written and redacted
over the course of four centuries in the academies of Babylonia (from
200 until approximately 600 C.E.). The Rabbis who wrote the Talmud
claimed that it had been given on Mount Sinai along with the Written
Torah (the Five Books of Moses) thereby claiming for it the same
authoritative status. The system of Dual Torahs is the prevailing
understanding of Torah in the Jewish world. The legislation, values,
and teachings of the Talmud are essential the Judaism of today, as the
Torah is foundational to Judaism. It is also important to note that
there is a second Talmud, which was written in Palestine during the
time that the Babylonian Talmud was produced. You can learn more about
Jewish holy books by clicking here.
cornholio
The Talmud didn't exist while the 2nd Temple stood retard. There was
no Talmud when Yeshua lived because the priests of the Temple could
resolve any and all religious disputes.
Wikking
Well resolve your current no-win situation...
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It is clear that the "Birthers", "Teabaggers", politicians and media
hosts or pundits that purvey messages of resistance, insurrection and
don't want their kids to go to school to hear the words of the POTUS
have become the dupes and stooges of foreign intelligence services
that wish to see the US destabilized by a bunch of fools - they must
be laughing their heads off at these wingnuts who are so ready to be
their pawns...
cornholio
Wow, the above sentence makes about as much sense
as a football bat.
Saracene
I am only quitting a learned Rabbi on the rubbish that is believed.
Modern Judaism is not the same as what was around in Jesus' day.
Saracene
I am only quoting a learned Rabbi on the rubbish that is believed.
Modern Judaism is not the same as what was around in Jesus' day. It
hadn't been properly invented.
Wikking
Israel is like the Titanic after hitting the iceberg. It is a
mathematical certainty that it will have a Muslim majority by the end
of the century. In other words it cannot stay afloat so better to make
peace instead of genocidal rampages against those on your borders.
dsharavi
You're pasting from the website of someone who calls himself a rabbi.
"Rubbish that is believed"? If you think it's rubbish, you're free to
leave it, and root around in whatever pleases you.
> Modern Judaism is not the same as what was around in Jesus' day.
Wow, apotheosis of the obvious. Are you often given to flashes of
genius like this?
Deborah
Saracene
The basic tenets of most religions are rubbish by most modern
standards.
> > Modern Judaism is not the same as what was around in Jesus' day.
>
> Wow, apotheosis of the obvious. Are you often given to flashes of
> genius like this?
>
That was an appropriate response to Cornhole's remarks about that era.
cornholio
My statement went to discredit the notion that "The Talmud is
Judaism's Holiest Book",
because the Talmud didn't exist BCE.
Saracene
But according to this Rabbi there was a tradition that it did. Also
the fact that it did not exist then proves nothing. We are talking of
modern Judaism, not what existed at or before the time of Christ.
cornholio
What part of the "Talmud didn't exist BCE" don't you understand
retard? The rabbis who WROTE the Talmud weren't even ALIVE
BCE.
Were you born stupid? Or did you have to practice?
Saracene
Just read that link I have you. You are talking logic. Religion
contains illogical elements.
Her it is again for you, judotard.
.t@toad.net Uncle Toad
"cornholio" <andx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Starr"<zoroastrians.cult.in.decl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> A Closer Look at the Talmud
>>
>> The Talmud is Judaism's Holiest Book
>>
>I thought the Torah was islamotard?
Book my ass, it looks just like a roll of toilet paper, on steroids. Who
even cares?
[snip]
cornholio
The Talmud is a WRITTEN commentary on the Torah that didn't exist
BCE. Why? Because the rabbis who WROTE it weren't alive.
Goddamn you're stupid.
Saracene
It is rather encouraging to find you are actually as dense as you have
now shown yourself to be. No one need take anything you say even
remotely seriously anymore. The quote I have just given you again is
as clear as can be. Do you know what religion means? Can you
understand the words 'oral tradition' ? Given by Moses right? Of
course it is unscholarly and ridiculous but we are talking about what
orthodox people are supposed to believe, not what makes modern sense.
You should go back to kindergarten.
BR
Irrelevant! - It IS the holiest book that Jews worship TODAY!
The Talmud is so full of hatred it stands well to the right from
Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kamf".
You can also read an abridged version of the Talmud - called
"The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion". It was written
for those Jews who who are too thick to understand the twisted
language of the Talmud.
Saracene
Do you believe in God, Bumhole?