Gaza: The new Warsaw Ghetto
peace.seeker.27
By Gideon Levy
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/757768.html
Gaza has been reoccupied. The world must know this and Israelis must
know it, too. It is in its worst condition, ever. Since the abduction
of Gilad Shalit, and more so since the outbreak of the Lebanon war, the
Israel Defense Forces has been rampaging through Gaza - there's no
other word to describe it - killing and demolishing, bombing and
shelling, indiscriminately.
Nobody thinks about setting up a commission of inquiry; the issue isn't
even on the agenda. Nobody asks why it is being done and who decided to
do it. But under the cover of the darkness of the Lebanon war, the IDF
returned to its old practices in Gaza as if there had been no
disengagement. So it must be said forthrightly, the disengagement is
dead. Aside from the settlements that remain piles of rubble, nothing
is left of the disengagement and its promises. How contemptible all the
sublime and nonsensical talk about "the end of the occupation" and
"partitioning the land" now appears. Gaza is occupied, and with greater
brutality than before. The fact that it is more convenient for the
occupier to control it from outside has nothing to do with the
intolerable living conditions of the occupied.
In large parts of Gaza nowadays, there is no electricity. Israel bombed
the only power station in Gaza, and more than half the electricity
supply will be cut off for at least another year. There's hardly any
water. Since there is no electricity, supplying homes with water is
nearly impossible. Gaza is filthier and smellier than ever: Because of
the embargo Israel and the world have imposed on the elected authority,
no salaries are being paid and the street cleaners have been on strike
for the past few weeks. Piles of garbage and obnoxious clouds of stink
strangle the coastal strip, turning it into Calcutta.
More than ever, Gaza is also like a prison. The Erez crossing is empty,
the Karni crossing has been open only a few days over the last two
months, and the same is true for the Rafah crossing. Some 15,000 people
waited for two months to enter Egypt, some are still waiting, including
many ailing and wounded people. Another 5,000 waited on the other side
to return to their homes. Some died during the wait. One must see the
scenes at Rafah to understand how profound a human tragedy is taking
place. A crossing that was not supposed to have an Israeli presence
continues to be Israel's means to pressure 1.5 million inhabitants.
This is disgraceful and shocking collective punishment. The U.S. and
Europe, whose police are at the Rafah crossing, also bear
responsibility for the situation.
Gaza is also poorer and hungrier than ever before. There is nearly no
merchandise moving in and out, fishing is banned, the tens of thousands
of PA workers receive no salaries, and the possibility of working in
Israel is out of the question.
And we still haven't mentioned the death, destruction and horror. In
the last two months, Israel killed 224 Palestinians, 62 of them
children and 25 of them women. It bombed and assassinated, destroyed
and shelled, and no one stopped it. No Qassam cell or smuggling tunnel
justifies such wide-scale killing. A day doesn't go by without deaths,
most of them innocent civilians.
Where are the days when there was still a debate inside Israel about
the assassinations? Today, Israel drops innumerable missiles, shells
and bombs on houses and kills entire families on its way to another
assassination. Hospitals are collapsing with more than 900 people
undergoing treatment. At Shifa Hospital, the only such facility in Gaza
that might be worthy of being called a hospital, I saw heartrending
scenes last week. Children who lost limbs, on respirators, paralyzed,
crippled for the rest of their lives.
Families have been killed in their sleep, while riding on donkeys or
working in fields. Frightened children, traumatized by what they have
seen, huddle in their homes with a horror in their eyes that is
difficult to describe in words. A journalist from Spain who spent time
in Gaza recently, a veteran of war and disaster zones around the world,
said he had never been exposed to scenes as horrific as the ones he saw
and documented over the last two months.
It is difficult to determine who decided on all this. It is doubtful
the ministers are aware of the reality in Gaza. They are responsible
for it, starting with the bad decision on the embargo, through the
bombing of Gaza's bridges and power station and the mass
assassinations. Israel is responsible now once again for all that
happens in Gaza.
The events in Gaza expose the great fraud of Kadima: It came to power
on the coattails of the virtual success of the disengagement, which is
now going up in flames, and it promised convergence, a promise that the
prime minister has already rescinded. Those who think Kadima is a
centrist party should now know it is nothing other than another
rightist occupation party. The same is true of Labor. Defense Minister
Amir Peretz is responsible for what is happening in Gaza no less than
the prime minister, and Peretz's hands are as blood-soaked as Olmert's.
He can never present himself as a 'man of peace' again. The ground
invasions every week, each time somewhere else, the kill and destroy
operations from the sea, air and land are all dubbed with names to
whitewash the reality, like 'Summer Rains' or 'Locked Kindergarten.' No
security excuse can explain the cycle of madness, and no civic argument
can excuse the outrageous silence of us all. Gilad Shalit will not be
released and the Qassams will not cease. On the contrary, there is a
horror taking place in Gaza, and while it might prevent a few terror
attacks in the short run, it is bound to give birth to much more
murderous terror. Israel will then say with its self-righteousness:
'But we returned Gaza to them.'
Al Nakba
Col. Mortimer
The Re''vrand
wrote:
> Gaza shoulde be paved over.
Gaza is mostly paved over, Colon.
Carl
Israelis and prevent attacks from that area into Israeli civilian areas and
Israel will leave them alone. You have my personal guarantee.
As long as the Gaza civilian population supports their terrorist
organization, Hamas, celebrates the death of Jews around the world (not just
in Israel mind you), and gives out candy to their children when 3000
Americans die in the WTC attack, they earn all the grief that's brought down
upon them. Tough shit.
To me, you see the situation through a one-sided lens which I can't begin to
relate to. You are not a "peace-seeker" as you've labeled yourself, but a
supporter of the unilateral wreaking of havoc (as long as it's Arab wreaking
havoc upon Israelis) and the perpetuator of an empty cause which has no
reasonable solution the way the Arabs would like it. Israel is not going to
'go away' because the side you support suicide bombs it endlessly. "Those
who live by the sword, die by the sword". Get over it.
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torresD
peace.seeker.27
[snip]
>"Those who live by the sword, die by the sword"...
... which also applies to Israel.
When Arafat unconditionally accepted
the final Taba offer by Israel, Sharon
announced that the offer had expired.
Sharon, leader of the Unit 101 terrorists,
mastermind of the massacre at Sabra
and Shitila, could not resist the
opportunity to destroy $500 million of
the Palestinian Authority's infrastructure.
When the Nazis did this to the Jews in
Germany on Kristallnacht, Jews complained
they were the victims of collective punishment.
Now the Jews are the ones inflicting the
same kind of collective punishment. If it
was wrong when the Nazis did it, why is
it OK now?
dsha...@hotmail.com
> Gaza has been reoccupied. The world must know this and Israelis must
> know it, too. It is in its worst condition, ever. Since the abduction
> of Gilad Shalit, and more so since the outbreak of the Lebanon war, the
> Israel Defense Forces has been rampaging through Gaza - there's no
> other word to describe it - killing and demolishing, bombing and
> shelling, indiscriminately.
Don't like it? Should have stopped the terrorism.
[flush sob story]
Deborah
docremington
> Gaza's darkness
> By Gideon Levy
>
It is Levy, being more palisimian than the palisimians and a tiresome
scold too.
His tales of palisimian woe ought to be sold as emetics.
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/757768.html
> Gaza has been reoccupied.
What else is new. It is, apparently, palisimian fascination with the
military, tanks, bulldozers, shooting, that keeps them inviting the
latter again and again. No?
> The world must know this and Israelis must
> know it, too.
The world at large does not care, israelis do not care, thanks in no
less part to Gideon Levy himself.
> It is in its worst condition, ever. Since the abduction
> of Gilad Shalit, and more so since the outbreak of the Lebanon war, the
> Israel Defense Forces has been rampaging through Gaza - there's no
> other word to describe it - killing and demolishing, bombing and
> shelling, indiscriminately.
Too dramatic to be true.
> Nobody thinks about setting up a commission of inquiry; the issue isn't
> even on the agenda.
And rightfully so.
> Nobody asks why it is being done and who decided to
> do it.
Because others know palisimians decided for for both.
> But under the cover of the darkness of the Lebanon war, the IDF
> returned to its old practices in Gaza as if there had been no
> disengagement. So it must be said forthrightly, the disengagement is
> dead.
Just putting palisimian decisions to practice.
> Aside from the settlements that remain piles of rubble, nothing
> is left of the disengagement and its promises.
Indeed, palisimians wanted the communities destroyed, and the
greenhouses they burned themselves.
> How contemptible all the
> sublime and nonsensical talk about "the end of the occupation" and
> "partitioning the land" now appears. Gaza is occupied, and with greater
> brutality than before. The fact that it is more convenient for the
> occupier to control it from outside has nothing to do with the
> intolerable living conditions of the occupied.
Palisimians are worthless, if they have no occupation, it is their
livelihood, source of income, both political and financial.
> In large parts of Gaza nowadays, there is no electricity. Israel bombed
> the only power station in Gaza, and more than half the electricity
> supply will be cut off for at least another year. There's hardly any
> water. Since there is no electricity, supplying homes with water is
> nearly impossible. Gaza is filthier and smellier than ever: Because of
> the embargo Israel and the world have imposed on the elected authority,
> no salaries are being paid and the street cleaners have been on strike
> for the past few weeks. Piles of garbage and obnoxious clouds of stink
> strangle the coastal strip, turning it into Calcutta.
It seems, opening Calcutta occupation tours in Gaza is a promising
occupation.
> More than ever, Gaza is also like a prison. The Erez crossing is empty,
> the Karni crossing has been open only a few days over the last two
> months, and the same is true for the Rafah crossing. Some 15,000 people
> waited for two months to enter Egypt, some are still waiting, including
> many ailing and wounded people. Another 5,000 waited on the other side
> to return to their homes. Some died during the wait. One must see the
> scenes at Rafah to understand how profound a human tragedy is taking
> place. A crossing that was not supposed to have an Israeli presence
> continues to be Israel's means to pressure 1.5 million inhabitants.
> This is disgraceful and shocking collective punishment. The U.S. and
> Europe, whose police are at the Rafah crossing, also bear
> responsibility for the situation.
Blame the egyptians. Though, if palisimian occupational terrorists can
cross into the Sinai, why is that palisimian terrorist sympathizers
can't?
> Gaza is also poorer and hungrier than ever before. There is nearly no
> merchandise moving in and out, fishing is banned, the tens of thousands
> of PA workers receive no salaries, and the possibility of working in
> Israel is out of the question.
There go the greenhouses.
> And we still haven't mentioned the death, destruction and horror. In
> the last two months, Israel killed 224 Palestinians, 62 of them
> children and 25 of them women. It bombed and assassinated, destroyed
> and shelled, and no one stopped it. No Qassam cell or smuggling tunnel
> justifies such wide-scale killing. A day doesn't go by without deaths,
> most of them innocent civilians.
Levy may try convincing hamas, fatah and smuggler clans not to shoot
one another.
> Where are the days when there was still a debate inside Israel about
> the assassinations?
Palisimians put an end to it.
> Today, Israel drops innumerable missiles, shells
> and bombs on houses and kills entire families on its way to another
> assassination. Hospitals are collapsing with more than 900 people
> undergoing treatment. At Shifa Hospital, the only such facility in Gaza
> that might be worthy of being called a hospital, I saw heartrending
> scenes last week. Children who lost limbs, on respirators, paralyzed,
> crippled for the rest of their lives.
There is the aid money palisimians have been supposed to build
hospitals with in the first place?
> Families have been killed in their sleep, while riding on donkeys or
> working in fields. Frightened children, traumatized by what they have
> seen, huddle in their homes with a horror in their eyes that is
> difficult to describe in words. A journalist from Spain who spent time
> in Gaza recently, a veteran of war and disaster zones around the world,
> said he had never been exposed to scenes as horrific as the ones he saw
> and documented over the last two months.
It is clear that spaniard is not a veteran of anything at all. Gaza, it
seems, has become a Mecca for those types, just rearrange Levy's drivel
and keywords and claim the piece as yours.
> It is difficult to determine who decided on all this. It is doubtful
> the ministers are aware of the reality in Gaza. They are responsible
> for it, starting with the bad decision on the embargo, through the
> bombing of Gaza's bridges and power station and the mass
> assassinations. Israel is responsible now once again for all that
> happens in Gaza.
Levy can't blame ministers or whoever for what he helped creating.
> The events in Gaza expose the great fraud of Kadima: It came to power
> on the coattails of the virtual success of the disengagement, which is
> now going up in flames, and it promised convergence, a promise that the
> prime minister has already rescinded. Those who think Kadima is a
> centrist party should now know it is nothing other than another
> rightist occupation party. The same is true of Labor. Defense Minister
> Amir Peretz is responsible for what is happening in Gaza no less than
> the prime minister, and Peretz's hands are as blood-soaked as Olmert's.
> He can never present himself as a 'man of peace' again. The ground
> invasions every week, each time somewhere else, the kill and destroy
> operations from the sea, air and land are all dubbed with names to
> whitewash the reality, like 'Summer Rains' or 'Locked Kindergarten.' No
> security excuse can explain the cycle of madness, and no civic argument
> can excuse the outrageous silence of us all. Gilad Shalit will not be
> released and the Qassams will not cease. On the contrary, there is a
> horror taking place in Gaza, and while it might prevent a few terror
> attacks in the short run, it is bound to give birth to much more
> murderous terror. Israel will then say with its self-righteousness:
> 'But we returned Gaza to them.'
And palisimians blew it big time, typically.
dsha...@yahoo.com
> > Gaza's darkness
> > By Gideon Levy
docremington wrote:
> It is Levy, being more palisimian than the palisimians and a tiresome
> scold too.
> His tales of palisimian woe ought to be sold as emetics.
I wouldn't recommend diarrhetic effluvia as an emetic.
> > http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/757768.html
> > Gaza has been reoccupied.
> What else is new. It is, apparently, palisimian fascination with the
> military, tanks, bulldozers, shooting, that keeps them inviting the
> latter again and again. No?
Must be. All they had to do to avoid it was stop their terrorism.
Instead, they voted it into office.
> > The world must know this and Israelis must
> > know it, too.
> The world at large does not care, israelis do not care, thanks in no
> less part to Gideon Levy himself.
Most of the world couldn't care less, Levy or no Levy. They have their
own problems.
> > It is in its worst condition, ever. Since the abduction
> > of Gilad Shalit, and more so since the outbreak of the Lebanon war, the
> > Israel Defense Forces has been rampaging through Gaza - there's no
> > other word to describe it - killing and demolishing, bombing and
> > shelling, indiscriminately.
> Too dramatic to be true.
Actually, "killing and demolishing, bombing and shelling,
indiscriminately" sounds like TPB.
> > Nobody thinks about setting up a commission of inquiry; the issue isn't
> > even on the agenda.
> And rightfully so.
> > Nobody asks why it is being done and who decided to
> > do it.
> Because others know palisimians decided for for both.
Of course. All the stupid sharameet had to do was stop their terrorism.
> > But under the cover of the darkness of the Lebanon war, the IDF
> > returned to its old practices in Gaza as if there had been no
> > disengagement. So it must be said forthrightly, the disengagement is
> > dead.
> Just putting palisimian decisions to practice.
Call it another hudna.
> > Aside from the settlements that remain piles of rubble, nothing
> > is left of the disengagement and its promises.
> Indeed, palisimians wanted the communities destroyed, and the
> greenhouses they burned themselves.
The greenhouses they destroyed even before the Evil Jooz were all gone.
> > How contemptible all the
> > sublime and nonsensical talk about "the end of the occupation" and
> > "partitioning the land" now appears. Gaza is occupied, and with greater
> > brutality than before. The fact that it is more convenient for the
> > occupier to control it from outside has nothing to do with the
> > intolerable living conditions of the occupied.
> Palisimians are worthless, if they have no occupation, it is their
> livelihood, source of income, both political and financial.
"Intolerable living conditions" = they haven't received their usual
$$$hundreds of millions/year from the so-called "international
community". So what? Let the PLO shell out some of its $15 billion-plus
to help out the people it claims to represent.
> > In large parts of Gaza nowadays, there is no electricity.
There wasn't any til Israel took it over from the Egyptians.
> >Israel bombed
> > the only power station in Gaza, and more than half the electricity
> > supply will be cut off for at least another year.
Well, that's one utility bill the "international community" won't have
to pay.
> >There's hardly any water. Since there is no electricity, supplying homes with water is
> > nearly impossible. Gaza is filthier and smellier than ever:
That's what happens when you piss and shit where you drink.
> >Because of
> > the embargo Israel and the world have imposed on the elected authority,
> > no salaries are being paid and the street cleaners have been on strike
> > for the past few weeks. Piles of garbage and obnoxious clouds of stink
> > strangle the coastal strip, turning it into Calcutta.
> It seems, opening Calcutta occupation tours in Gaza is a promising
> occupation.
Gaza was full of piles of garbage and obnoxious clouds of stink BEFORE
the "embargo". So was the so-called West Bank.
> > More than ever, Gaza is also like a prison. The Erez crossing is empty,
> > the Karni crossing has been open only a few days over the last two
> > months, and the same is true for the Rafah crossing. Some 15,000 people
> > waited for two months to enter Egypt, some are still waiting, including
> > many ailing and wounded people. Another 5,000 waited on the other side
> > to return to their homes. Some died during the wait. One must see the
> > scenes at Rafah to understand how profound a human tragedy is taking
> > place. A crossing that was not supposed to have an Israeli presence
> > continues to be Israel's means to pressure 1.5 million inhabitants.
> > This is disgraceful and shocking collective punishment. The U.S. and
> > Europe, whose police are at the Rafah crossing, also bear
> > responsibility for the situation.
Boo hoo fewken hoo. The US bears a greater responsiblity to the 1.8
million AMERICAN refugees from the Gulf.
> Blame the egyptians.
Palisimians are used to blaming everybody except those who are really
at fault: themselves.
>Though, if palisimian occupational terrorists can
> cross into the Sinai, why is that palisimian terrorist sympathizers
> can't?
PR.
> > Gaza is also poorer and hungrier than ever before. There is nearly no
> > merchandise moving in and out, fishing is banned, the tens of thousands
> > of PA workers receive no salaries, and the possibility of working in
> > Israel is out of the question.
> There go the greenhouses.
The very profitable greenhouses already went, victims of TPB.
> > And we still haven't mentioned the death, destruction and horror. In
> > the last two months, Israel killed 224 Palestinians, 62 of them
> > children and 25 of them women. It bombed and assassinated, destroyed
> > and shelled, and no one stopped it. No Qassam cell or smuggling tunnel
> > justifies such wide-scale killing. A day doesn't go by without deaths,
> > most of them innocent civilians.
> Levy may try convincing hamas, fatah and smuggler clans not to shoot
> one another.
Levy has a better chance of convincing rain to turn itself into beer.
> > Where are the days when there was still a debate inside Israel about
> > the assassinations?
> Palisimians put an end to it.
Thanks to TPB, targeted assassinations seem a good option.
> > Today, Israel drops innumerable missiles, shells
> > and bombs on houses and kills entire families on its way to another
> > assassination. Hospitals are collapsing with more than 900 people
> > undergoing treatment. At Shifa Hospital, the only such facility in Gaza
> > that might be worthy of being called a hospital, I saw heartrending
> > scenes last week. Children who lost limbs, on respirators, paralyzed,
> > crippled for the rest of their lives.
> There is the aid money palisimians have been supposed to build
> hospitals with in the first place?
Interesting question, considering all the clinics the Hamas terrorists
are supposed to have built.
> > Families have been killed in their sleep, while riding on donkeys or
> > working in fields.
TPB.
> >Frightened children, traumatized by what they have
> > seen, huddle in their homes with a horror in their eyes that is
> > difficult to describe in words.
These are the same kids who go out and throw rocks at armed soldiers,
right?
> > A journalist from Spain who spent time
> > in Gaza recently, a veteran of war and disaster zones around the world,
> > said he had never been exposed to scenes as horrific as the ones he saw
> > and documented over the last two months.
> It is clear that spaniard is not a veteran of anything at all.
Well, he might have spent a Halloween eve or two strolling along
Hollywood Blvd.
>Gaza, it
> seems, has become a Mecca for those types, just rearrange Levy's drivel
> and keywords and claim the piece as yours.
It does have a canned feel, doesn't it?
> > It is difficult to determine who decided on all this. It is doubtful
> > the ministers are aware of the reality in Gaza. They are responsible
> > for it, starting with the bad decision on the embargo, through the
> > bombing of Gaza's bridges and power station and the mass
> > assassinations. Israel is responsible now once again for all that
> > happens in Gaza.
> Levy can't blame ministers or whoever for what he helped creating.
Levy needs to wake up and stop dreaming of poor innocent PalArab lambs,
which don't exist. The Palisimians are to blame for the entire mess.
> > The events in Gaza expose the great fraud of Kadima: It came to power
> > on the coattails of the virtual success of the disengagement, which is
> > now going up in flames, and it promised convergence, a promise that the
> > prime minister has already rescinded.
Thanks to TPB.
> > Those who think Kadima is a
> > centrist party should now know it is nothing other than another
> > rightist occupation party. The same is true of Labor. Defense Minister
> > Amir Peretz is responsible for what is happening in Gaza no less than
> > the prime minister, and Peretz's hands are as blood-soaked as Olmert's.
> > He can never present himself as a 'man of peace' again. The ground
> > invasions every week, each time somewhere else, the kill and destroy
> > operations from the sea, air and land are all dubbed with names to
> > whitewash the reality, like 'Summer Rains' or 'Locked Kindergarten.' No
> > security excuse can explain the cycle of madness, and no civic argument
> > can excuse the outrageous silence of us all. Gilad Shalit will not be
> > released and the Qassams will not cease. On the contrary, there is a
> > horror taking place in Gaza, and while it might prevent a few terror
> > attacks in the short run, it is bound to give birth to much more
> > murderous terror. Israel will then say with its self-righteousness:
> > 'But we returned Gaza to them.'
> And palisimians blew it big time, typically.
They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. TPB all the way.
Deborah
Defendario
The terrorism is the terror perpetrated by your zioNazi coreligionalists.
You'll get yours, zioWhore. I'll remind you of this
> [flush sob story]
>
He who laughs last, zioBitch.
> Deborah aka DebWhorA
>
>
Defendario
> peace.seeker.27 wrote:
>> Gaza's darkness
>> By Gideon Levy
>>
>
>
> It is Levy, being more palisimian than the palisimians and a tiresome
> scold too.
Don't like it when a joo tells the truth, eh DocDhimmi?
> His tales of palisimian woe ought to be sold as emetics.
>
>> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/757768.html
>> Gaza has been reoccupied.
>
> What else is new. It is, apparently, palisimian fascination with the
> military, tanks, bulldozers, shooting, that keeps them inviting the
> latter again and again. No?
>
Blame the victims, eh? I say blame the jooz for being murdered by
Nazis. They knew what to expect if they didn't fuck off out of Europe.
They had it coming.
>> The world must know this and Israelis must
>> know it, too.
>
> The world at large does not care, israelis do not care, thanks in no
> less part to Gideon Levy himself.
>
Lies. People the world over are disgusted and shocked by IsReeLee
brutality.
>> It is in its worst condition, ever. Since the abduction
>> of Gilad Shalit, and more so since the outbreak of the Lebanon war, the
>> Israel Defense Forces has been rampaging through Gaza - there's no
>> other word to describe it - killing and demolishing, bombing and
>> shelling, indiscriminately.
>
> Too dramatic to be true.
>
But true it is, DocDhimmi. Sad, but true.
>> Nobody thinks about setting up a commission of inquiry; the issue isn't
>> even on the agenda.
>
> And rightfully so.
>
Then an inquiry will be convened by others. Justice will be meted out.
Pray for mercy, jooz. You might get a smidgen -- to be allowed to exist
as Dhimmies.
>> Nobody asks why it is being done and who decided to
>> do it.
>
> Because others know palisimians decided for for both.
>
Still blaming the victims of zioNazi aggression? How tiresome.
>> But under the cover of the darkness of the Lebanon war, the IDF
>> returned to its old practices in Gaza as if there had been no
>> disengagement. So it must be said forthrightly, the disengagement is
>> dead.
>
> Just putting palisimian decisions to practice.
>
The disengagement was a farce. The dismantling of the settlements was
for the purpose of allowing this type of military operation, which
otherwise would have endangered jooz.
>> Aside from the settlements that remain piles of rubble, nothing
>> is left of the disengagement and its promises.
>
> Indeed, palisimians wanted the communities destroyed, and the
> greenhouses they burned themselves.
>
Sure they did. Just like Southern Negroes wanted to be lynched by
Klansmen, and rape victims violated themselves.
>> How contemptible all the
>> sublime and nonsensical talk about "the end of the occupation" and
>> "partitioning the land" now appears. Gaza is occupied, and with greater
>> brutality than before. The fact that it is more convenient for the
>> occupier to control it from outside has nothing to do with the
>> intolerable living conditions of the occupied.
>
> Palisimians are worthless, if they have no occupation, it is their
> livelihood, source of income, both political and financial.
>
Let them fish and sell products of their labor to any with cash and a
cart to carry it away. How can the Palestinians (of the species /Homo
Sapiens/ in case you were unsure) do any of these without ports (air and
sea) or currency? Under bombardment and murderous occupation?
>> In large parts of Gaza nowadays, there is no electricity. Israel bombed
>> the only power station in Gaza, and more than half the electricity
>> supply will be cut off for at least another year. There's hardly any
>> water. Since there is no electricity, supplying homes with water is
>> nearly impossible. Gaza is filthier and smellier than ever: Because of
>> the embargo Israel and the world have imposed on the elected authority,
>> no salaries are being paid and the street cleaners have been on strike
>> for the past few weeks. Piles of garbage and obnoxious clouds of stink
>> strangle the coastal strip, turning it into Calcutta.
>
> It seems, opening Calcutta occupation tours in Gaza is a promising
> occupation.
>
Soon IsReeL will be offering Trinitite Desert tours of what was once
TelAvivistan. It will be a better industry than Shoah.
>> More than ever, Gaza is also like a prison. The Erez crossing is empty,
>> the Karni crossing has been open only a few days over the last two
>> months, and the same is true for the Rafah crossing. Some 15,000 people
>> waited for two months to enter Egypt, some are still waiting, including
>> many ailing and wounded people. Another 5,000 waited on the other side
>> to return to their homes. Some died during the wait. One must see the
>> scenes at Rafah to understand how profound a human tragedy is taking
>> place. A crossing that was not supposed to have an Israeli presence
>> continues to be Israel's means to pressure 1.5 million inhabitants.
>> This is disgraceful and shocking collective punishment. The U.S. and
>> Europe, whose police are at the Rafah crossing, also bear
>> responsibility for the situation.
>
> Blame the egyptians. Though, if palisimian occupational terrorists can
> cross into the Sinai, why is that palisimian terrorist sympathizers
> can't?
>
IsReeL controls the crossings, DocDhimmi. After this latest atrocity,
all Palestinians will be violently opposed to zioNism, which seems to be
the operative definition of "terrorist" anyways.
>> Gaza is also poorer and hungrier than ever before. There is nearly no
>> merchandise moving in and out, fishing is banned, the tens of thousands
>> of PA workers receive no salaries, and the possibility of working in
>> Israel is out of the question.
>
> There go the greenhouses.
>
Even if they were functional (which the departing "settlers" made sure
they weren't) what good would they do? The Palestinians cannot market
their produce while under military blockade.
>> And we still haven't mentioned the death, destruction and horror. In
>> the last two months, Israel killed 224 Palestinians, 62 of them
>> children and 25 of them women. It bombed and assassinated, destroyed
>> and shelled, and no one stopped it. No Qassam cell or smuggling tunnel
>> justifies such wide-scale killing. A day doesn't go by without deaths,
>> most of them innocent civilians.
>
> Levy may try convincing hamas, fatah and smuggler clans not to shoot
> one another.
>
Not IsReeLs problem. The thousands of jihadists you have created
worldwide by your atrocities will be back to bite your joo asses.
Guaranteed.
>> Where are the days when there was still a debate inside Israel about
>> the assassinations?
>
> Palisimians put an end to it.
>
So you are saying that Palestinians are flying the Apaches which fire
missiles into crowds? Manning the howitzers which slaughter families on
the beach?
>> Today, Israel drops innumerable missiles, shells
>> and bombs on houses and kills entire families on its way to another
>> assassination. Hospitals are collapsing with more than 900 people
>> undergoing treatment. At Shifa Hospital, the only such facility in Gaza
>> that might be worthy of being called a hospital, I saw heartrending
>> scenes last week. Children who lost limbs, on respirators, paralyzed,
>> crippled for the rest of their lives.
>
> There is the aid money palisimians have been supposed to build
> hospitals with in the first place?
>
The hospitals, and other infrastructure, were built with generous aid
from Europe and other lands. How will the basket-case IsReeLeeS ever
pay for reparations of those destroyed facilities?
I say Uncle Sugar should take it out of your allowance.
>> Families have been killed in their sleep, while riding on donkeys or
>> working in fields. Frightened children, traumatized by what they have
>> seen, huddle in their homes with a horror in their eyes that is
>> difficult to describe in words. A journalist from Spain who spent time
>> in Gaza recently, a veteran of war and disaster zones around the world,
>> said he had never been exposed to scenes as horrific as the ones he saw
>> and documented over the last two months.
>
> It is clear that spaniard is not a veteran of anything at all. Gaza, it
> seems, has become a Mecca for those types, just rearrange Levy's drivel
> and keywords and claim the piece as yours.
>
Incomprehensible gibberish from DocDhimmi, yet again.
Do you get paid by the word, regardless of the inanity?
>> It is difficult to determine who decided on all this. It is doubtful
>> the ministers are aware of the reality in Gaza. They are responsible
>> for it, starting with the bad decision on the embargo, through the
>> bombing of Gaza's bridges and power station and the mass
>> assassinations. Israel is responsible now once again for all that
>> happens in Gaza.
>
> Levy can't blame ministers or whoever for what he helped creating.
>
Levy blames the Government and Military of IsReeL, DoDhimmi. And those
zioNazis who support the crimes they perpetrate.
>> The events in Gaza expose the great fraud of Kadima: It came to power
>> on the coattails of the virtual success of the disengagement, which is
>> now going up in flames, and it promised convergence, a promise that the
>> prime minister has already rescinded. Those who think Kadima is a
>> centrist party should now know it is nothing other than another
>> rightist occupation party. The same is true of Labor. Defense Minister
>> Amir Peretz is responsible for what is happening in Gaza no less than
>> the prime minister, and Peretz's hands are as blood-soaked as Olmert's.
>> He can never present himself as a 'man of peace' again. The ground
>> invasions every week, each time somewhere else, the kill and destroy
>> operations from the sea, air and land are all dubbed with names to
>> whitewash the reality, like 'Summer Rains' or 'Locked Kindergarten.' No
>> security excuse can explain the cycle of madness, and no civic argument
>> can excuse the outrageous silence of us all. Gilad Shalit will not be
>> released and the Qassams will not cease. On the contrary, there is a
>> horror taking place in Gaza, and while it might prevent a few terror
>> attacks in the short run, it is bound to give birth to much more
>> murderous terror. Israel will then say with its self-righteousness:
>> 'But we returned Gaza to them.'
>
> And palisimians blew it big time, typically.
>
Sow the wind, zioNazi. Reap the whirlwind.
>
docremington
> Carl wrote:
> [snip]
> >"Those who live by the sword, die by the sword"...
>
> ... which also applies to Israel.
> When Arafat unconditionally accepted
> the final Taba offer by Israel, Sharon
> announced that the offer had expired.
>
Arafat accepted nothing.
dsha...@yahoo.com
> >> Gaza has been reoccupied. The world must know this and Israelis must
> >> know it, too. It is in its worst condition, ever. Since the abduction
> >> of Gilad Shalit, and more so since the outbreak of the Lebanon war, the
> >> Israel Defense Forces has been rampaging through Gaza - there's no
> >> other word to describe it - killing and demolishing, bombing and
> >> shelling, indiscriminately.
> dsha...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Don't like it? Should have stopped the terrorism.
Defendario wrote:
> The terrorism is the terror perpetrated by your zioNazi coreligionalists.
> You'll get yours, zioWhore. I'll remind you of this
> > [flush sob story]
> He who laughs last, zioBitch.
What a dumb goatdiddler you are, ibn sharmouta.
LOL
Deborah
docremington
> docremington wrote:
> > peace.seeker.27 wrote:
> >> Gaza's darkness
> >> By Gideon Levy
> >
> > It is Levy, being more palisimian than the palisimians and a tiresome
> > scold too.
>
> Don't like it when a joo tells the truth, eh DocDhimmi?
>
He is incapable of telling truth.
> > His tales of palisimian woe ought to be sold as emetics.
> >
> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/757768.html
> >> Gaza has been reoccupied.
> >
> > What else is new. It is, apparently, palisimian fascination with the
> > military, tanks, bulldozers, shooting, that keeps them inviting the
> > latter again and again. No?
>
> Blame the victims, eh?
They are victims of their own palisimian idiocies.
> I say blame the jooz for being murdered by
> Nazis. They knew what to expect if they didn't fuck off out of Europe.
> They had it coming.
>
> >> The world must know this and Israelis must
> >> know it, too.
> >
> > The world at large does not care, israelis do not care, thanks in no
> > less part to Gideon Levy himself.
>
> Lies. People the world over are disgusted and shocked by IsReeLee
> brutality.
People of the world couldn't care less about palisimians and other
arabs.
> >> It is in its worst condition, ever. Since the abduction
> >> of Gilad Shalit, and more so since the outbreak of the Lebanon war, the
> >> Israel Defense Forces has been rampaging through Gaza - there's no
> >> other word to describe it - killing and demolishing, bombing and
> >> shelling, indiscriminately.
> >
> > Too dramatic to be true.
>
> But true it is, DocDhimmi. Sad, but true.
Fake, but true.
> >> Nobody thinks about setting up a commission of inquiry; the issue isn't
> >> even on the agenda.
> >
> > And rightfully so.
>
> Then an inquiry will be convened by others. Justice will be meted out.
> Pray for mercy, jooz. You might get a smidgen -- to be allowed to exist
> as Dhimmies.
Good luck with it.
> >> Nobody asks why it is being done and who decided to
> >> do it.
> >
> > Because others know palisimians decided for for both.
>
> Still blaming the victims of zioNazi aggression? How tiresome.
Who cares, it is palisimians, who get kicked for their follies, after
all, tiresome, or not.
> >> But under the cover of the darkness of the Lebanon war, the IDF
> >> returned to its old practices in Gaza as if there had been no
> >> disengagement. So it must be said forthrightly, the disengagement is
> >> dead.
> >
> > Just putting palisimian decisions to practice.
>
> The disengagement was a farce. The dismantling of the settlements was
> for the purpose of allowing this type of military operation, which
> otherwise would have endangered jooz.
Or, much simpler, palismian failed grand and need excuses.
> >> Aside from the settlements that remain piles of rubble, nothing
> >> is left of the disengagement and its promises.
> >
> > Indeed, palisimians wanted the communities destroyed, and the
> > greenhouses they burned themselves.
>
> Sure they did. Just like Southern Negroes wanted to be lynched by
> Klansmen, and rape victims violated themselves.
It was a palisimian authority to see the communities bulldozed, they
got it, and the greenhouses palisimians burned themselves. Very
palisimian.
> >> How contemptible all the
> >> sublime and nonsensical talk about "the end of the occupation" and
> >> "partitioning the land" now appears. Gaza is occupied, and with greater
> >> brutality than before. The fact that it is more convenient for the
> >> occupier to control it from outside has nothing to do with the
> >> intolerable living conditions of the occupied.
> >
> > Palisimians are worthless, if they have no occupation, it is their
> > livelihood, source of income, both political and financial.
>
> Let them fish and sell products of their labor to any with cash and a
> cart to carry it away. How can the Palestinians (of the species /Homo
> Sapiens/ in case you were unsure) do any of these without ports (air and
> sea) or currency? Under bombardment and murderous occupation?
No, by burning greenhouses, of course.
> >> In large parts of Gaza nowadays, there is no electricity. Israel bombed
> >> the only power station in Gaza, and more than half the electricity
> >> supply will be cut off for at least another year. There's hardly any
> >> water. Since there is no electricity, supplying homes with water is
> >> nearly impossible. Gaza is filthier and smellier than ever: Because of
> >> the embargo Israel and the world have imposed on the elected authority,
> >> no salaries are being paid and the street cleaners have been on strike
> >> for the past few weeks. Piles of garbage and obnoxious clouds of stink
> >> strangle the coastal strip, turning it into Calcutta.
> >
> > It seems, opening Calcutta occupation tours in Gaza is a promising
> > occupation.
>
> Soon IsReeL will be offering Trinitite Desert tours of what was once
> TelAvivistan. It will be a better industry than Shoah.
And palisimians will get their nakba at last, as collateral damage, of
course. The world cares about them.
> >> More than ever, Gaza is also like a prison. The Erez crossing is empty,
> >> the Karni crossing has been open only a few days over the last two
> >> months, and the same is true for the Rafah crossing. Some 15,000 people
> >> waited for two months to enter Egypt, some are still waiting, including
> >> many ailing and wounded people. Another 5,000 waited on the other side
> >> to return to their homes. Some died during the wait. One must see the
> >> scenes at Rafah to understand how profound a human tragedy is taking
> >> place. A crossing that was not supposed to have an Israeli presence
> >> continues to be Israel's means to pressure 1.5 million inhabitants.
> >> This is disgraceful and shocking collective punishment. The U.S. and
> >> Europe, whose police are at the Rafah crossing, also bear
> >> responsibility for the situation.
> >
> > Blame the egyptians. Though, if palisimian occupational terrorists can
> > cross into the Sinai, why is that palisimian terrorist sympathizers
> > can't?
>
> IsReeL controls the crossings, DocDhimmi. After this latest atrocity,
> all Palestinians will be violently opposed to zioNism, which seems to be
> the operative definition of "terrorist" anyways.
Egyptians control the crossing.
> >> Gaza is also poorer and hungrier than ever before. There is nearly no
> >> merchandise moving in and out, fishing is banned, the tens of thousands
> >> of PA workers receive no salaries, and the possibility of working in
> >> Israel is out of the question.
> >
> > There go the greenhouses.
>
> Even if they were functional (which the departing "settlers" made sure
> they weren't) what good would they do?
Palisimians shouldn't have stolen powerful water pumps and burned the
structures down in the first place.
> The Palestinians cannot market
> their produce while under military blockade.
Let them market it in Egypt.
> >> And we still haven't mentioned the death, destruction and horror. In
> >> the last two months, Israel killed 224 Palestinians, 62 of them
> >> children and 25 of them women. It bombed and assassinated, destroyed
> >> and shelled, and no one stopped it. No Qassam cell or smuggling tunnel
> >> justifies such wide-scale killing. A day doesn't go by without deaths,
> >> most of them innocent civilians.
> >
> > Levy may try convincing hamas, fatah and smuggler clans not to shoot
> > one another.
>
> Not IsReeLs problem. The thousands of jihadists you have created
> worldwide by your atrocities will be back to bite your joo asses.
> Guaranteed.
Good luck.
> >> Where are the days when there was still a debate inside Israel about
> >> the assassinations?
> >
> > Palisimians put an end to it.
>
> So you are saying that Palestinians are flying the Apaches which fire
> missiles into crowds?
They just encourage the israelis and provide the crowds.
> Manning the howitzers which slaughter families on
> the beach?
Of course.
> >> Today, Israel drops innumerable missiles, shells
> >> and bombs on houses and kills entire families on its way to another
> >> assassination. Hospitals are collapsing with more than 900 people
> >> undergoing treatment. At Shifa Hospital, the only such facility in Gaza
> >> that might be worthy of being called a hospital, I saw heartrending
> >> scenes last week. Children who lost limbs, on respirators, paralyzed,
> >> crippled for the rest of their lives.
> >
> > There is the aid money palisimians have been supposed to build
> > hospitals with in the first place?
>
> The hospitals, and other infrastructure, were built with generous aid
> from Europe and other lands. How will the basket-case IsReeLeeS ever
> pay for reparations of those destroyed facilities?
One can't destroy the nonexistent.
> I say Uncle Sugar should take it out of your allowance.
And live egyptians penniless in the process. They will be very happy.
> >> Families have been killed in their sleep, while riding on donkeys or
> >> working in fields. Frightened children, traumatized by what they have
> >> seen, huddle in their homes with a horror in their eyes that is
> >> difficult to describe in words. A journalist from Spain who spent time
> >> in Gaza recently, a veteran of war and disaster zones around the world,
> >> said he had never been exposed to scenes as horrific as the ones he saw
> >> and documented over the last two months.
> >
> > It is clear that spaniard is not a veteran of anything at all. Gaza, it
> > seems, has become a Mecca for those types, just rearrange Levy's drivel
> > and keywords and claim the piece as yours.
>
> Incomprehensible gibberish from DocDhimmi, yet again.
> Do you get paid by the word, regardless of the inanity?
No, my returns is posts of gibberish from my opposition.
> >> It is difficult to determine who decided on all this. It is doubtful
> >> the ministers are aware of the reality in Gaza. They are responsible
> >> for it, starting with the bad decision on the embargo, through the
> >> bombing of Gaza's bridges and power station and the mass
> >> assassinations. Israel is responsible now once again for all that
> >> happens in Gaza.
> >
> > Levy can't blame ministers or whoever for what he helped creating.
>
> Levy blames the Government and Military of IsReeL, DoDhimmi. And those
> zioNazis who support the crimes they perpetrate.
Levy is just being occupational.
> >> The events in Gaza expose the great fraud of Kadima: It came to power
> >> on the coattails of the virtual success of the disengagement, which is
> >> now going up in flames, and it promised convergence, a promise that the
> >> prime minister has already rescinded. Those who think Kadima is a
> >> centrist party should now know it is nothing other than another
> >> rightist occupation party. The same is true of Labor. Defense Minister
> >> Amir Peretz is responsible for what is happening in Gaza no less than
> >> the prime minister, and Peretz's hands are as blood-soaked as Olmert's.
> >> He can never present himself as a 'man of peace' again. The ground
> >> invasions every week, each time somewhere else, the kill and destroy
> >> operations from the sea, air and land are all dubbed with names to
> >> whitewash the reality, like 'Summer Rains' or 'Locked Kindergarten.' No
> >> security excuse can explain the cycle of madness, and no civic argument
> >> can excuse the outrageous silence of us all. Gilad Shalit will not be
> >> released and the Qassams will not cease. On the contrary, there is a
> >> horror taking place in Gaza, and while it might prevent a few terror
> >> attacks in the short run, it is bound to give birth to much more
> >> murderous terror. Israel will then say with its self-righteousness:
> >> 'But we returned Gaza to them.'
> >
> > And palisimians blew it big time, typically.
>
> Sow the wind, zioNazi. Reap the whirlwind.
Something, palisimians should have learned by now. But they won't.
Defendario
> Defendario wrote:
>> docremington wrote:
>>> peace.seeker.27 wrote:
>>>> Gaza's darkness
>>>> By Gideon Levy
>>> It is Levy, being more palisimian than the palisimians and a tiresome
>>> scold too.
>> Don't like it when a joo tells the truth, eh DocDhimmi?
>>
>
>
> He is incapable of telling truth.
>
Projection of your own incapacity is noted, DocDhimmi.
>>> His tales of palisimian woe ought to be sold as emetics.
>>>
>>>> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/757768.html
>>>> Gaza has been reoccupied.
>>> What else is new. It is, apparently, palisimian fascination with the
>>> military, tanks, bulldozers, shooting, that keeps them inviting the
>>> latter again and again. No?
>> Blame the victims, eh?
>
> They are victims of their own palisimian idiocies.
>
You never have answers other than the same, tired racially bigoted
slanders, eh?
>> I say blame the jooz for being murdered by
>> Nazis. They knew what to expect if they didn't fuck off out of Europe.
>> They had it coming.
>>
No zioNazi apoplexies in response here? You disappoint.
>>>> The world must know this and Israelis must
>>>> know it, too.
>>> The world at large does not care, israelis do not care, thanks in no
>>> less part to Gideon Levy himself.
>> Lies. People the world over are disgusted and shocked by IsReeLee
>> brutality.
>
> People of the world couldn't care less about palisimians and other
> arabs.
>
That is a blatant lie. Only a blindered zioNist shill would say such an
obvious falsehood.
>>>> It is in its worst condition, ever. Since the abduction
>>>> of Gilad Shalit, and more so since the outbreak of the Lebanon war, the
>>>> Israel Defense Forces has been rampaging through Gaza - there's no
>>>> other word to describe it - killing and demolishing, bombing and
>>>> shelling, indiscriminately.
>>> Too dramatic to be true.
>> But true it is, DocDhimmi. Sad, but true.
>
> Fake, but true.
>
The destruction of the power plant and the murders of hundreds of Gazans
are fabrications?
>>>> Nobody thinks about setting up a commission of inquiry; the issue isn't
>>>> even on the agenda.
>>> And rightfully so.
>> Then an inquiry will be convened by others. Justice will be meted out.
>> Pray for mercy, jooz. You might get a smidgen -- to be allowed to exist
>> as Dhimmies.
>
> Good luck with it.
>
The time is coming, DocDhimmi. Sooner than you care to admit.
>>>> Nobody asks why it is being done and who decided to
>>>> do it.
>>> Because others know palisimians decided for for both.
>> Still blaming the victims of zioNazi aggression? How tiresome.
>
> Who cares, it is palisimians, who get kicked for their follies, after
> all, tiresome, or not.
>
When you jooz are wailing "Oh, why have we been subjected to another
holocaust!" you will care. If you aren't consumed in the thermonuclear
fireball...
>>>> But under the cover of the darkness of the Lebanon war, the IDF
>>>> returned to its old practices in Gaza as if there had been no
>>>> disengagement. So it must be said forthrightly, the disengagement is
>>>> dead.
>>> Just putting palisimian decisions to practice.
>> The disengagement was a farce. The dismantling of the settlements was
>> for the purpose of allowing this type of military operation, which
>> otherwise would have endangered jooz.
>
> Or, much simpler, palismian failed grand and need excuses.
>
Translation: /drool/
>>>> Aside from the settlements that remain piles of rubble, nothing
>>>> is left of the disengagement and its promises.
>>> Indeed, palisimians wanted the communities destroyed, and the
>>> greenhouses they burned themselves.
>> Sure they did. Just like Southern Negroes wanted to be lynched by
>> Klansmen, and rape victims violated themselves.
>
> It was a palisimian authority to see the communities bulldozed, they
> got it, and the greenhouses palisimians burned themselves. Very
> palisimian.
>
/drool/
>>>> How contemptible all the
>>>> sublime and nonsensical talk about "the end of the occupation" and
>>>> "partitioning the land" now appears. Gaza is occupied, and with greater
>>>> brutality than before. The fact that it is more convenient for the
>>>> occupier to control it from outside has nothing to do with the
>>>> intolerable living conditions of the occupied.
>>> Palisimians are worthless, if they have no occupation, it is their
>>> livelihood, source of income, both political and financial.
>> Let them fish and sell products of their labor to any with cash and a
>> cart to carry it away. How can the Palestinians (of the species /Homo
>> Sapiens/ in case you were unsure) do any of these without ports (air and
>> sea) or currency? Under bombardment and murderous occupation?
>
> No, by burning greenhouses, of course.
>
More slobber and you will need a new keyboard, DocDhimmi.
Please explain how that nonsense in any way relates to my riposte.
>>>> In large parts of Gaza nowadays, there is no electricity. Israel bombed
>>>> the only power station in Gaza, and more than half the electricity
>>>> supply will be cut off for at least another year. There's hardly any
>>>> water. Since there is no electricity, supplying homes with water is
>>>> nearly impossible. Gaza is filthier and smellier than ever: Because of
>>>> the embargo Israel and the world have imposed on the elected authority,
>>>> no salaries are being paid and the street cleaners have been on strike
>>>> for the past few weeks. Piles of garbage and obnoxious clouds of stink
>>>> strangle the coastal strip, turning it into Calcutta.
>>> It seems, opening Calcutta occupation tours in Gaza is a promising
>>> occupation.
>> Soon IsReeL will be offering Trinitite Desert tours of what was once
>> TelAvivistan. It will be a better industry than Shoah.
>
> And palisimians will get their nakba at last, as collateral damage, of
> course. The world cares about them.
>
Ha! The Palestinians are far enough from your joo population centers to
weather the nuclear storm. They will dance on the piles of your
barbequed corpses, DocDhimmi.
>>>> More than ever, Gaza is also like a prison. The Erez crossing is empty,
>>>> the Karni crossing has been open only a few days over the last two
>>>> months, and the same is true for the Rafah crossing. Some 15,000 people
>>>> waited for two months to enter Egypt, some are still waiting, including
>>>> many ailing and wounded people. Another 5,000 waited on the other side
>>>> to return to their homes. Some died during the wait. One must see the
>>>> scenes at Rafah to understand how profound a human tragedy is taking
>>>> place. A crossing that was not supposed to have an Israeli presence
>>>> continues to be Israel's means to pressure 1.5 million inhabitants.
>>>> This is disgraceful and shocking collective punishment. The U.S. and
>>>> Europe, whose police are at the Rafah crossing, also bear
>>>> responsibility for the situation.
>>> Blame the egyptians. Though, if palisimian occupational terrorists can
>>> cross into the Sinai, why is that palisimian terrorist sympathizers
>>> can't?
>> IsReeL controls the crossings, DocDhimmi. After this latest atrocity,
>> all Palestinians will be violently opposed to zioNism, which seems to be
>> the operative definition of "terrorist" anyways.
>
> Egyptians control the crossing.
>
Another blatant lie.
>>>> Gaza is also poorer and hungrier than ever before. There is nearly no
>>>> merchandise moving in and out, fishing is banned, the tens of thousands
>>>> of PA workers receive no salaries, and the possibility of working in
>>>> Israel is out of the question.
>>> There go the greenhouses.
>> Even if they were functional (which the departing "settlers" made sure
>> they weren't) what good would they do?
>
> Palisimians shouldn't have stolen powerful water pumps and burned the
> structures down in the first place.
>
But it was the jooz who destroyed the pumps, zioNist. The greenhouses
were rendered worthless, and ultimately razed by the IDF.
>> The Palestinians cannot market
>> their produce while under military blockade.
>
> Let them market it in Egypt.
>
The border is closed due to the military occupation. The Palestinians
have no currency as a medium of exchange in any event, and they are
effectively under a total blockade. A state of siege based on racial
and religious profiling, IOW genocide.
>>>> And we still haven't mentioned the death, destruction and horror. In
>>>> the last two months, Israel killed 224 Palestinians, 62 of them
>>>> children and 25 of them women. It bombed and assassinated, destroyed
>>>> and shelled, and no one stopped it. No Qassam cell or smuggling tunnel
>>>> justifies such wide-scale killing. A day doesn't go by without deaths,
>>>> most of them innocent civilians.
>>> Levy may try convincing hamas, fatah and smuggler clans not to shoot
>>> one another.
>> Not IsReeLs problem. The thousands of jihadists you have created
>> worldwide by your atrocities will be back to bite your joo asses.
>> Guaranteed.
>
> Good luck.
>
Not luck, but courage and determination to revenge the wrongs
perpetrated by your criminal coreligionalists.
A day will come when the jooz wail and gnash their teeth in a dark
place, DocDhimmi. Count on it.
>>>> Where are the days when there was still a debate inside Israel about
>>>> the assassinations?
>>> Palisimians put an end to it.
>> So you are saying that Palestinians are flying the Apaches which fire
>> missiles into crowds?
>
> They just encourage the israelis and provide the crowds.
>
More idiocy from the Dhimmi.
>> Manning the howitzers which slaughter families on
>> the beach?
>
> Of course.
>
/drool/
>>>> Today, Israel drops innumerable missiles, shells
>>>> and bombs on houses and kills entire families on its way to another
>>>> assassination. Hospitals are collapsing with more than 900 people
>>>> undergoing treatment. At Shifa Hospital, the only such facility in Gaza
>>>> that might be worthy of being called a hospital, I saw heartrending
>>>> scenes last week. Children who lost limbs, on respirators, paralyzed,
>>>> crippled for the rest of their lives.
>>> There is the aid money palisimians have been supposed to build
>>> hospitals with in the first place?
>> The hospitals, and other infrastructure, were built with generous aid
>> from Europe and other lands. How will the basket-case IsReeLeeS ever
>> pay for reparations of those destroyed facilities?
>
> One can't destroy the nonexistent.
>
The Gaza airport and dozens of police stations and clinics did not
exist? Your delusions run deep...
>> I say Uncle Sugar should take it out of your allowance.
>
> And live egyptians penniless in the process. They will be very happy.
>
Egypt did not commit war crimes against the defenseless civilians of
Gaza, or crimes against humanity.
>>>> Families have been killed in their sleep, while riding on donkeys or
>>>> working in fields. Frightened children, traumatized by what they have
>>>> seen, huddle in their homes with a horror in their eyes that is
>>>> difficult to describe in words. A journalist from Spain who spent time
>>>> in Gaza recently, a veteran of war and disaster zones around the world,
>>>> said he had never been exposed to scenes as horrific as the ones he saw
>>>> and documented over the last two months.
>>> It is clear that spaniard is not a veteran of anything at all. Gaza, it
>>> seems, has become a Mecca for those types, just rearrange Levy's drivel
>>> and keywords and claim the piece as yours.
>> Incomprehensible gibberish from DocDhimmi, yet again.
>> Do you get paid by the word, regardless of the inanity?
>
> No, my returns is posts of gibberish from my opposition.
>
More drool from the Dhimmi.
>>>> It is difficult to determine who decided on all this. It is doubtful
>>>> the ministers are aware of the reality in Gaza. They are responsible
>>>> for it, starting with the bad decision on the embargo, through the
>>>> bombing of Gaza's bridges and power station and the mass
>>>> assassinations. Israel is responsible now once again for all that
>>>> happens in Gaza.
>>> Levy can't blame ministers or whoever for what he helped creating.
>> Levy blames the Government and Military of IsReeL, DoDhimmi. And those
>> zioNazis who support the crimes they perpetrate.
>
> Levy is just being occupational.
>
Whatever the fuk that is supposed to mean...
>>>> The events in Gaza expose the great fraud of Kadima: It came to power
>>>> on the coattails of the virtual success of the disengagement, which is
>>>> now going up in flames, and it promised convergence, a promise that the
>>>> prime minister has already rescinded. Those who think Kadima is a
>>>> centrist party should now know it is nothing other than another
>>>> rightist occupation party. The same is true of Labor. Defense Minister
>>>> Amir Peretz is responsible for what is happening in Gaza no less than
>>>> the prime minister, and Peretz's hands are as blood-soaked as Olmert's.
>>>> He can never present himself as a 'man of peace' again. The ground
>>>> invasions every week, each time somewhere else, the kill and destroy
>>>> operations from the sea, air and land are all dubbed with names to
>>>> whitewash the reality, like 'Summer Rains' or 'Locked Kindergarten.' No
>>>> security excuse can explain the cycle of madness, and no civic argument
>>>> can excuse the outrageous silence of us all. Gilad Shalit will not be
>>>> released and the Qassams will not cease. On the contrary, there is a
>>>> horror taking place in Gaza, and while it might prevent a few terror
>>>> attacks in the short run, it is bound to give birth to much more
>>>> murderous terror. Israel will then say with its self-righteousness:
>>>> 'But we returned Gaza to them.'
>>> And palisimians blew it big time, typically.
>> Sow the wind, zioNazi. Reap the whirlwind.
>
> Something, palisimians should have learned by now. But they won't.
>
The jooz are going to relearn that lesson soon, or die in benighted
ignorance. They will suffer either way.
Insh'allah.
>
Gary Renzetti
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Gary Renzetti
"Carl" <crot...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
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> Let your Gazanians, or whatever you call them, return their captured
> Israelis and prevent attacks from that area into Israeli® civilian areas
Oh that's nice. Your "personal guarantee". And what of the TEN THOUSAND
Palestinians in Pissraeli jails held as hostages without charge? Lots of
whom are women and kids? They don't get the same consideration? Do we get
the same "personal guarantee" about them?
>
> As long as the Gaza civilian population supports their terrorist®
> organization, Hamas, celebrates the death of Jews around the world (not
> just in Israel® mind you), and gives out candy to their children when 3000
> Americans die in the WTC attack, they earn all the grief that's brought
> down upon them. Tough shit.
you might consider *them* before you supply Pissrael with helicopter
gunships and tanks to use against kids armed with stones to throw at an
occupying army.
THEY didn't do it! But when you treat them in this manner do you reallty
expect them to love you? You give their mortal enemy and colonial oppressor
high-tech weapons that're used to kill them. Why are you upset when they
celebrate a disaster in your country?
Are you stupid?
Gary Renzetti
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Neither did the fat prick. He just saw a way to grab more turf.
Gary Renzetti
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>
> [flush sob story]
>
> Recipe Turd
>
Gary Renzetti
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Gary Renzetti
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>> > peace.seeker.27 wrote:
>> >> Gaza has been reoccupied. The world must know this and Israelis® must
>> >> know it, too. It is in its worst condition, ever. Since the abduction
>> >> of Gilad Shalit, and more so since the outbreak of the Lebanon war,
>> >> the
>> >> other word to describe it - killing and demolishing, bombing and
>> >> shelling, indiscriminately.
>
>> > Don't like it? Should have stopped the terrorism®.
That's we're trying to do.
>
> Defendario wrote:
>> The terrorism is the terror perpetrated by your zioNazi coreligionalists.
>> You'll get yours, zioWhore. I'll remind you of this
>> > [flush sob story]
>> He who laughs last, zioBitch.
>
> What a dumb goatdiddler you are, ibn sharmouta.
>
> LOL
>
I can't call you a cunt(Gawd I hate that word, I won't even use that for
Sowsan!), so I'll call you a turd with legs.
Do you have any new recipes yet? Just in case there's some new canibals on
the n/g since the last time you posted such excreta.
docremington
> "docremington" <docrem...@safe-mail.net> wrote in message
> news:1157759639.6...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > peace.seeker.27 wrote:
> >> Carl wrote:
> >> [snip]
> >> >"Those who live by the sword, die by the sword"...
> >>
> >> ... which also applies to Israel.
> >> When Arafat unconditionally accepted
> >> the final Taba offer by Israel, Sharon
> >> announced that the offer had expired.
> >
> > Arafat accepted nothing.
>
> Neither did the fat prick. He just saw a way to grab more turf.
>
The biggest and only problem with the contention is that, Sharon was
not a party to the negotiations to accept or reject anything. We have
to find better excuses, don't we?
Gary Renzetti
> peace.seeker.27 wrote:
>> Gaza's darkness
>> By Gideon Levy
>>
>
>
> It is Levy, being more palisimian than the palisimians and a tiresome
> scold too.
> His tales of palisimian woe ought to be sold as emetics.
>
>> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/757768.html
>> Gaza has been reoccupied.
>
> What else is new. It is, apparently, palisimian fascination with the
> military, tanks, bulldozers, shooting, that keeps them inviting the
> latter again and again. No?
ids throwing stones than they do when they actually have to face foot
soldiers. Seems the mighty Merkavas have a little problem if their oppo
actually can shoot back.
Too bad! So sad!
>
<recipe turd's crap chopped>
docremington
> docremington wrote:
> > Defendario wrote:
> >> docremington wrote:
> >>> peace.seeker.27 wrote:
> >>>> Gaza's darkness
> >>>> By Gideon Levy
> >>> It is Levy, being more palisimian than the palisimians and a tiresome
> >>> scold too.
> >> Don't like it when a joo tells the truth, eh DocDhimmi?
> >
> > He is incapable of telling truth.
>
> Projection of your own incapacity is noted, DocDhimmi.
>
Projectionists, calling others projectionists. Funny.
> >>> His tales of palisimian woe ought to be sold as emetics.
> >>>
> >>>> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/757768.html
> >>>> Gaza has been reoccupied.
> >>> What else is new. It is, apparently, palisimian fascination with the
> >>> military, tanks, bulldozers, shooting, that keeps them inviting the
> >>> latter again and again. No?
> >> Blame the victims, eh?
> >
> > They are victims of their own palisimian idiocies.
>
> You never have answers other than the same, tired racially bigoted
> slanders, eh?
I'm not a palisimian apologist, sorry.
> >> I say blame the jooz for being murdered by
> >> Nazis. They knew what to expect if they didn't fuck off out of Europe.
> >> They had it coming.
>
> No zioNazi apoplexies in response here? You disappoint.
Not all drivel has to be addressed, of course.
> >>>> The world must know this and Israelis must
> >>>> know it, too.
> >>> The world at large does not care, israelis do not care, thanks in no
> >>> less part to Gideon Levy himself.
> >> Lies. People the world over are disgusted and shocked by IsReeLee
> >> brutality.
> >
> > People of the world couldn't care less about palisimians and other
> > arabs.
>
> That is a blatant lie. Only a blindered zioNist shill would say such an
> obvious falsehood.
People of the world couldn't care less about palisimians and other
arabs.
> >>>> It is in its worst condition, ever. Since the abduction
> >>>> of Gilad Shalit, and more so since the outbreak of the Lebanon war, the
> >>>> Israel Defense Forces has been rampaging through Gaza - there's no
> >>>> other word to describe it - killing and demolishing, bombing and
> >>>> shelling, indiscriminately.
> >>> Too dramatic to be true.
> >> But true it is, DocDhimmi. Sad, but true.
> >
> > Fake, but true.
>
> The destruction of the power plant and the murders of hundreds of Gazans
> are fabrications?
What did they do to deserve it?
> >>>> Nobody thinks about setting up a commission of inquiry; the issue isn't
> >>>> even on the agenda.
> >>> And rightfully so.
> >> Then an inquiry will be convened by others. Justice will be meted out.
> >> Pray for mercy, jooz. You might get a smidgen -- to be allowed to exist
> >> as Dhimmies.
> >
> > Good luck with it.
>
> The time is coming, DocDhimmi. Sooner than you care to admit.
Good luck.
> >>>> Nobody asks why it is being done and who decided to
> >>>> do it.
> >>> Because others know palisimians decided for for both.
> >> Still blaming the victims of zioNazi aggression? How tiresome.
> >
> > Who cares, it is palisimians, who get kicked for their follies, after
> > all, tiresome, or not.
>
> When you jooz are wailing "Oh, why have we been subjected to another
> holocaust!" you will care. If you aren't consumed in the thermonuclear
> fireball...
A thermonuke fireball? Indeed, people of the world couldn't care less
about palisimians and other arabs.
> >>>> But under the cover of the darkness of the Lebanon war, the IDF
> >>>> returned to its old practices in Gaza as if there had been no
> >>>> disengagement. So it must be said forthrightly, the disengagement is
> >>>> dead.
> >>> Just putting palisimian decisions to practice.
> >> The disengagement was a farce. The dismantling of the settlements was
> >> for the purpose of allowing this type of military operation, which
> >> otherwise would have endangered jooz.
> >
> > Or, much simpler, palismian failed grand and need excuses.
>
> Translation: /drool/
Denialism.
> >>>> Aside from the settlements that remain piles of rubble, nothing
> >>>> is left of the disengagement and its promises.
> >>> Indeed, palisimians wanted the communities destroyed, and the
> >>> greenhouses they burned themselves.
> >> Sure they did. Just like Southern Negroes wanted to be lynched by
> >> Klansmen, and rape victims violated themselves.
> >
> > It was a palisimian authority to see the communities bulldozed, they
> > got it, and the greenhouses palisimians burned themselves. Very
> > palisimian.
>
> /drool/
Denialism.
> >>>> How contemptible all the
> >>>> sublime and nonsensical talk about "the end of the occupation" and
> >>>> "partitioning the land" now appears. Gaza is occupied, and with greater
> >>>> brutality than before. The fact that it is more convenient for the
> >>>> occupier to control it from outside has nothing to do with the
> >>>> intolerable living conditions of the occupied.
> >>> Palisimians are worthless, if they have no occupation, it is their
> >>> livelihood, source of income, both political and financial.
> >> Let them fish and sell products of their labor to any with cash and a
> >> cart to carry it away. How can the Palestinians (of the species /Homo
> >> Sapiens/ in case you were unsure) do any of these without ports (air and
> >> sea) or currency? Under bombardment and murderous occupation?
> >
> > No, by burning greenhouses, of course.
>
> More slobber and you will need a new keyboard, DocDhimmi.
> Please explain how that nonsense in any way relates to my riposte.
I wish it were a riposte, or something.
> >>>> In large parts of Gaza nowadays, there is no electricity. Israel bombed
> >>>> the only power station in Gaza, and more than half the electricity
> >>>> supply will be cut off for at least another year. There's hardly any
> >>>> water. Since there is no electricity, supplying homes with water is
> >>>> nearly impossible. Gaza is filthier and smellier than ever: Because of
> >>>> the embargo Israel and the world have imposed on the elected authority,
> >>>> no salaries are being paid and the street cleaners have been on strike
> >>>> for the past few weeks. Piles of garbage and obnoxious clouds of stink
> >>>> strangle the coastal strip, turning it into Calcutta.
> >>> It seems, opening Calcutta occupation tours in Gaza is a promising
> >>> occupation.
> >> Soon IsReeL will be offering Trinitite Desert tours of what was once
> >> TelAvivistan. It will be a better industry than Shoah.
> >
> > And palisimians will get their nakba at last, as collateral damage, of
> > course. The world cares about them.
>
> Ha! The Palestinians are far enough from your joo population centers to
> weather the nuclear storm. They will dance on the piles of your
> barbequed corpses, DocDhimmi.
The Chernobyl accident claimed 1,000 square miles. Plus winds.
Besides, does anyone know how many arabs live in Israel?
> >>>> More than ever, Gaza is also like a prison. The Erez crossing is empty,
> >>>> the Karni crossing has been open only a few days over the last two
> >>>> months, and the same is true for the Rafah crossing. Some 15,000 people
> >>>> waited for two months to enter Egypt, some are still waiting, including
> >>>> many ailing and wounded people. Another 5,000 waited on the other side
> >>>> to return to their homes. Some died during the wait. One must see the
> >>>> scenes at Rafah to understand how profound a human tragedy is taking
> >>>> place. A crossing that was not supposed to have an Israeli presence
> >>>> continues to be Israel's means to pressure 1.5 million inhabitants.
> >>>> This is disgraceful and shocking collective punishment. The U.S. and
> >>>> Europe, whose police are at the Rafah crossing, also bear
> >>>> responsibility for the situation.
> >>> Blame the egyptians. Though, if palisimian occupational terrorists can
> >>> cross into the Sinai, why is that palisimian terrorist sympathizers
> >>> can't?
> >> IsReeL controls the crossings, DocDhimmi. After this latest atrocity,
> >> all Palestinians will be violently opposed to zioNism, which seems to be
> >> the operative definition of "terrorist" anyways.
> >
> > Egyptians control the crossing.
>
> Another blatant lie.
Another blatant ignorance.
> >>>> Gaza is also poorer and hungrier than ever before. There is nearly no
> >>>> merchandise moving in and out, fishing is banned, the tens of thousands
> >>>> of PA workers receive no salaries, and the possibility of working in
> >>>> Israel is out of the question.
> >>> There go the greenhouses.
> >> Even if they were functional (which the departing "settlers" made sure
> >> they weren't) what good would they do?
> >
> > Palisimians shouldn't have stolen powerful water pumps and burned the
> > structures down in the first place.
>
> But it was the jooz who destroyed the pumps, zioNist.
Calling arabs jews may anger the former and invite a fatwa. Palisimians
did not destroy the pumps, they stole them, they destroy what they
cannot plunder anymore.
> The greenhouses
> were rendered worthless, and ultimately razed by the IDF.
"(09-13) 13:09 PDT NEVE DEKALIM, Gaza Strip (AP) --
Palestinians looted dozens of greenhouses on Tuesday, walking off with
irrigation hoses, water pumps and plastic sheeting in a blow to
fledgling efforts to reconstruct the Gaza Strip."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/09/13/international/i112837D35.DTL
> >> The Palestinians cannot market
> >> their produce while under military blockade.
> >
> > Let them market it in Egypt.
>
> The border is closed due to the military occupation.
Egyptians control the border.
> The Palestinians
> have no currency as a medium of exchange in any event, and they are
> effectively under a total blockade.
They have dollars.
> A state of siege based on racial
> and religious profiling, IOW genocide.
They wish it were genocide to prove their claims.
> >>>> And we still haven't mentioned the death, destruction and horror. In
> >>>> the last two months, Israel killed 224 Palestinians, 62 of them
> >>>> children and 25 of them women. It bombed and assassinated, destroyed
> >>>> and shelled, and no one stopped it. No Qassam cell or smuggling tunnel
> >>>> justifies such wide-scale killing. A day doesn't go by without deaths,
> >>>> most of them innocent civilians.
> >>> Levy may try convincing hamas, fatah and smuggler clans not to shoot
> >>> one another.
> >> Not IsReeLs problem. The thousands of jihadists you have created
> >> worldwide by your atrocities will be back to bite your joo asses.
> >> Guaranteed.
> >
> > Good luck.
>
> Not luck, but courage and determination to revenge the wrongs
> perpetrated by your criminal coreligionalists.
That was laughable, I'm not jewish. Good luck, anyway.
> A day will come when the jooz wail and gnash their teeth in a dark
> place, DocDhimmi. Count on it.
Good luck.
> >>>> Where are the days when there was still a debate inside Israel about
> >>>> the assassinations?
> >>> Palisimians put an end to it.
> >> So you are saying that Palestinians are flying the Apaches which fire
> >> missiles into crowds?
> >
> > They just encourage the israelis and provide the crowds.
>
> More idiocy from the Dhimmi.
More crowds.
> >> Manning the howitzers which slaughter families on
> >> the beach?
> >
> > Of course.
>
> /drool/
And the zombie ambulance too.
> >>>> Today, Israel drops innumerable missiles, shells
> >>>> and bombs on houses and kills entire families on its way to another
> >>>> assassination. Hospitals are collapsing with more than 900 people
> >>>> undergoing treatment. At Shifa Hospital, the only such facility in Gaza
> >>>> that might be worthy of being called a hospital, I saw heartrending
> >>>> scenes last week. Children who lost limbs, on respirators, paralyzed,
> >>>> crippled for the rest of their lives.
> >>> There is the aid money palisimians have been supposed to build
> >>> hospitals with in the first place?
> >> The hospitals, and other infrastructure, were built with generous aid
> >> from Europe and other lands. How will the basket-case IsReeLeeS ever
> >> pay for reparations of those destroyed facilities?
> >
> > One can't destroy the nonexistent.
>
> The Gaza airport and dozens of police stations and clinics did not
> exist? Your delusions run deep...
Don't start conflicts, keep the airport, don't be police thugs, keep
police stations. But clinics need confirmation. We have enough of the
zombie ambulance as it is.
> >> I say Uncle Sugar should take it out of your allowance.
> >
> > And live egyptians penniless in the process. They will be very happy.
>
> Egypt did not commit war crimes against the defenseless civilians of
> Gaza, or crimes against humanity.
But will be left penniless, if the Camp David accords tank, or
something.
> >>>> Families have been killed in their sleep, while riding on donkeys or
> >>>> working in fields. Frightened children, traumatized by what they have
> >>>> seen, huddle in their homes with a horror in their eyes that is
> >>>> difficult to describe in words. A journalist from Spain who spent time
> >>>> in Gaza recently, a veteran of war and disaster zones around the world,
> >>>> said he had never been exposed to scenes as horrific as the ones he saw
> >>>> and documented over the last two months.
> >>> It is clear that spaniard is not a veteran of anything at all. Gaza, it
> >>> seems, has become a Mecca for those types, just rearrange Levy's drivel
> >>> and keywords and claim the piece as yours.
> >> Incomprehensible gibberish from DocDhimmi, yet again.
> >> Do you get paid by the word, regardless of the inanity?
> >
> > No, my returns is posts of gibberish from my opposition.
>
> More drool from the Dhimmi.
Forget it.
> >>>> It is difficult to determine who decided on all this. It is doubtful
> >>>> the ministers are aware of the reality in Gaza. They are responsible
> >>>> for it, starting with the bad decision on the embargo, through the
> >>>> bombing of Gaza's bridges and power station and the mass
> >>>> assassinations. Israel is responsible now once again for all that
> >>>> happens in Gaza.
> >>> Levy can't blame ministers or whoever for what he helped creating.
> >> Levy blames the Government and Military of IsReeL, DoDhimmi. And those
> >> zioNazis who support the crimes they perpetrate.
> >
> > Levy is just being occupational.
>
> Whatever the fuk that is supposed to mean...
Occupational.
Good luck.
docremington
> "docremington" wrote:
> > peace.seeker.27 wrote:
> >> Gaza's darkness
> >> By Gideon Levy
> >
> > It is Levy, being more palisimian than the palisimians and a tiresome
> > scold too.
> > His tales of palisimian woe ought to be sold as emetics.
> >
> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/757768.html
> >> Gaza has been reoccupied.
> >
> > What else is new. It is, apparently, palisimian fascination with the
> > military, tanks, bulldozers, shooting, that keeps them inviting the
> > latter again and again. No?
>
> It would seem that their tanks and bulldozers seem to fare better against
> ids throwing stones than they do when they actually have to face foot
> soldiers.
Where did they face foot soldiers?
> Seems the mighty Merkavas have a little problem if their oppo
> actually can shoot back.
Oh, please, only 3 tanks of all hit with rockets won't be returned to
operational status, and all 3 were old models.
> Too bad! So sad!
For hizbo propaganda purposes, maybe.
Ben C'ramer
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I don't like the word either, Gary, but it's the only one I can think of
which describes the thick Irish cunt so well.
torresD
Carl
is one film that fails to address the deaths of children and civilians on
the other side of the border. It would have been a better effort, imho, had
it split time equally between the misery of both sides.
That aside, the intro states that the "area had been in turmoil for 50
years" (actually it's been closer to 58 years since 1948). Israeli
'occupation' began in 1967 due, of course to the Gaza's use as an attack
launching area for the Egyptian army during the Six Day War, a total of 39
years. Those figures leave 19 years unaccounted for.
Could you please show me a similar film made during the 19 years of Egyptian
control? I would be most interested to see that. Let's be balanced in our
presentation now. Can we be?
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> Death in Gaza - HBO
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3174939144671427658&q=GAZA
>
jgarbuz
> On 8 Sep 2006 08:05:50 -0700, "Colon. Mortimer" <bobby...@lycos.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Gaza shoulde be paved over.
>
No, he meant pave over the Arabs in Gaza and not just the ground. That
way they could simply disappear too, just like the holocaust victims.
We should have learned from the Germans: never leave evidence behind!
Carl
Hitler, the Nazis, and the Holocaust. They are, at best, extremely poor
analogies and serve no purpose other than to fan flames. No matter what else
you might think, I don't believe you think the Israelis have a purposely
planned genocide program in play. And that planned genocide program is what
makes those analogies irrelevant and ludicrous.
At the Camp David accords, every single concession was granted to Arafat and
the Palestinians including returning the Arab quarter of Jerusalem, a huge
concession to the Israelis. Arafat pretended to accept the offer and hands
were shook on the deal. In the twelfth hour Arafat returned to the
bargaining table with yet one more condition: the so called "right to
return" proviso. That absurd concept would allow what was, in 1948, about
100,000 refugees, who have now propagated to several million, the absolute
right to return to Israel, effectively destroying the Jewish state. Imagine
allowing the Spaniards including their prodigy over the past 200 years, the
"right to return" to California or Texas. Or the French to return with their
prodigy to Louisiana and the Northwest territory. It could never be allowed.
Arafat knew that this was an unteneable, non-negotiable issue and used
Israel's refusal over this singular issue as an excuse to call an
"intifada", the result of which we are seeing today. He was a despicably
unscrupulous man.
Meantime, the Palestinian Authority makes no effort to reel in the terrorist
groups nor stop the attacks eminating from their borders. You may call the
Israel responses "collective punishment" if you choose, but the perpetrators
dress as Gaza citizens and return to their homes in Gaza, hiding amongst
their women and children and in their own homes. They have created an
unconventional 'war' requiring unfortunate, but unconventional means of
response. I don't doubt that all parties are regretful about this. What
would your suggested defensive plan be, given you were leader of Israel?
The Jews of Germany engaged in no militant nor terrorist acts against
Germany (until well after the death camps started operating) and, therefore,
Kristalnacht had nothing to do with "collective punishment". You're forcing
the facts to suit your argument and not doing a particularly articulate job
of it. But let's talk about the Palestinians and the Israelis, shall we,
leaving the Nazis and the Jews out of it for now.
Oh yeah, by the way, "Israelis" and "Jews" are NOT synonymous. It would be
best if you kept it that way in your arguments. One is a sovereign nation
and the latter may be defined differentially as an ethnic group OR a
religious group, not aways the same. When we talk about Israel as the
"Jewish State", we are referring to it as an ethinic group, as people from
France may be "Frenchmen", but not necessarily "Christians". It is important
to maintain this distinction with Israel. Not all Israelis are Jews. Not all
Jews are Israelis.
"peace.seeker.27" <vesuvian.d...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> Carl wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>"Those who live by the sword, die by the sword"...
>
> ... which also applies to Israel.
>
> When Arafat unconditionally accepted
> the final Taba offer by Israel, Sharon
> announced that the offer had expired.
>
> Sharon, leader of the Unit 101 terrorists,
> mastermind of the massacre at Sabra
> and Shitila, could not resist the
> opportunity to destroy $500 million of
> the Palestinian Authority's infrastructure.
>
> When the Nazis did this to the Jews in
> Germany on Kristallnacht, Jews complained
> they were the victims of collective punishment.
> Now the Jews are the ones inflicting the
> same kind of collective punishment. If it
> was wrong when the Nazis did it, why is
> it OK now?
>
>> "peace.seeker.27" <vesuvian.d...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>> news:1157724831.1...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> > Gaza's darkness
>> > By Gideon Levy
>> > http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/757768.html
>> >
>> > Gaza has been reoccupied. The world must know this and Israelis must
>> > know it, too. It is in its worst condition, ever. Since the abduction
>> > of Gilad Shalit, and more so since the outbreak of the Lebanon war, the
>> > Israel Defense Forces has been rampaging through Gaza - there's no
>> > other word to describe it - killing and demolishing, bombing and
>> > shelling, indiscriminately.
>> >
>> > Nobody thinks about setting up a commission of inquiry; the issue isn't
>> > even on the agenda. Nobody asks why it is being done and who decided to
>> > do it. But under the cover of the darkness of the Lebanon war, the IDF
>> > returned to its old practices in Gaza as if there had been no
>> > disengagement. So it must be said forthrightly, the disengagement is
>> > dead. Aside from the settlements that remain piles of rubble, nothing
>> > is left of the disengagement and its promises. How contemptible all the
>> > sublime and nonsensical talk about "the end of the occupation" and
>> > "partitioning the land" now appears. Gaza is occupied, and with greater
>> > brutality than before. The fact that it is more convenient for the
>> > occupier to control it from outside has nothing to do with the
>> > intolerable living conditions of the occupied.
>> >
>> > In large parts of Gaza nowadays, there is no electricity. Israel bombed
>> > the only power station in Gaza, and more than half the electricity
>> > supply will be cut off for at least another year. There's hardly any
>> > water. Since there is no electricity, supplying homes with water is
>> > nearly impossible. Gaza is filthier and smellier than ever: Because of
>> > the embargo Israel and the world have imposed on the elected authority,
>> > no salaries are being paid and the street cleaners have been on strike
>> > for the past few weeks. Piles of garbage and obnoxious clouds of stink
>> > strangle the coastal strip, turning it into Calcutta.
>> >
>> > More than ever, Gaza is also like a prison. The Erez crossing is empty,
>> > the Karni crossing has been open only a few days over the last two
>> > months, and the same is true for the Rafah crossing. Some 15,000 people
>> > waited for two months to enter Egypt, some are still waiting, including
>> > many ailing and wounded people. Another 5,000 waited on the other side
>> > to return to their homes. Some died during the wait. One must see the
>> > scenes at Rafah to understand how profound a human tragedy is taking
>> > place. A crossing that was not supposed to have an Israeli presence
>> > continues to be Israel's means to pressure 1.5 million inhabitants.
>> > This is disgraceful and shocking collective punishment. The U.S. and
>> > Europe, whose police are at the Rafah crossing, also bear
>> > responsibility for the situation.
>> >
>> > Gaza is also poorer and hungrier than ever before. There is nearly no
>> > merchandise moving in and out, fishing is banned, the tens of thousands
>> > of PA workers receive no salaries, and the possibility of working in
>> > Israel is out of the question.
>> >
>> > And we still haven't mentioned the death, destruction and horror. In
>> > the last two months, Israel killed 224 Palestinians, 62 of them
>> > children and 25 of them women. It bombed and assassinated, destroyed
>> > and shelled, and no one stopped it. No Qassam cell or smuggling tunnel
>> > justifies such wide-scale killing. A day doesn't go by without deaths,
>> > most of them innocent civilians.
>> >
>> > Where are the days when there was still a debate inside Israel about
>> > the assassinations? Today, Israel drops innumerable missiles, shells
>> > and bombs on houses and kills entire families on its way to another
>> > assassination. Hospitals are collapsing with more than 900 people
>> > undergoing treatment. At Shifa Hospital, the only such facility in Gaza
>> > that might be worthy of being called a hospital, I saw heartrending
>> > scenes last week. Children who lost limbs, on respirators, paralyzed,
>> > crippled for the rest of their lives.
>> >
>> > Families have been killed in their sleep, while riding on donkeys or
>> > working in fields. Frightened children, traumatized by what they have
>> > seen, huddle in their homes with a horror in their eyes that is
>> > difficult to describe in words. A journalist from Spain who spent time
>> > in Gaza recently, a veteran of war and disaster zones around the world,
>> > said he had never been exposed to scenes as horrific as the ones he saw
>> > and documented over the last two months.
>> >
>> > It is difficult to determine who decided on all this. It is doubtful
>> > the ministers are aware of the reality in Gaza. They are responsible
>> > for it, starting with the bad decision on the embargo, through the
>> > bombing of Gaza's bridges and power station and the mass
>> > assassinations. Israel is responsible now once again for all that
>> > happens in Gaza.
>> >
torresD
Carl, It is the Palestinians that are the victims of the USA backed, brutal,
inhumane,
Israeli Military Occupation.
"Carl" <crot...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
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> This is a truly poignant film and certainly heart-wrenching.
Yes, I saw it played on someone's laptop in Starbucks and
I along with others asked about it.
>Of course, it is one film that fails to address the deaths of children and
>civilians on the other side of the border. It would have been a better
>effort, imho, had it split time equally between the misery of both sides.
Misery on both sides?!
Are you saying the Jewish Settlements with their modern homes,
swimming pools, landscaped lawns are identical to the hovels
the Palestinians have been shunted into?
> That aside, the intro states that the "area had been in turmoil for 50
> years" (actually it's been closer to 58 years since 1948). Israeli
> 'occupation' began in 1967 due, of course to the Gaza's use as an attack
> launching area for the Egyptian army during the Six Day War, a total of 39
> years. Those figures leave 19 years unaccounted for.
>
> Could you please show me a similar film made during the 19 years of
> Egyptian control? I would be most interested to see that. Let's be
> balanced in our presentation now. Can we be?
Death in Gaza - HBO
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3174939144671427658&q=GAZA
Carl
better than yours. Nor do I think the pejorative term "Pisraeli" is needed.
But, generally speaking, people who resort to name-calling as a form of
argument are (stupid that is). Take a look at yourself before casting those
first stones
Your presentation is filled with half-truths and innuendos, many of which
have no or little basis in fact.
I'm going to leave you with that you need to research your facts more
thoroughly before you spew them out. There's a lot you're missing.
I would simply say that, looking around the world and the myriad of Islamic
based conflicts which exist in other regions, the Israelis, while not
perfect, hold the highest moral ground for rules of war. You can choose to
believe that or not. But I strongly believe it to be true.
Simply put, if the damn Arabs would accept Israel, and give up their stated
purpose of wiping Israel off the map, and keep their goddamn suicide bombers
and Kyatusha rockets to themselves, you would never hear of an act of
aggression by Israel. Why don't we try my idea for awhile and see?
"Gary Renzetti" <liz...@connection.com> wrote in message
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The Re''vr'nd
It seems you people did pick up quite a few ideas from the Nazis.
Carl
defense. It really gives credence to your position. "Zeo-Nazi
coreligionosts", "zio Whore". Very impressive.
Hmmm, let me see my dilemma. Support a person who makes an objective
statement of fact, or support the one who responds by calling a woman a
'whore' for expressing her idea? gee. Tough decision.
"Defendario" <Defen...@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:4mec9fF...@individual.net...
> dsha...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> peace.seeker.27 wrote:
>>> Gaza has been reoccupied. The world must know this and Israelis must
>>> know it, too. It is in its worst condition, ever. Since the abduction
>>> of Gilad Shalit, and more so since the outbreak of the Lebanon war, the
>>> Israel Defense Forces has been rampaging through Gaza - there's no
>>> other word to describe it - killing and demolishing, bombing and
>>> shelling, indiscriminately.
>>
>> Don't like it? Should have stopped the terrorism.
>>
>
> The terrorism is the terror perpetrated by your zioNazi coreligionalists.
>
> You'll get yours, zioWhore. I'll remind you of this
>
>> [flush sob story]
>>
>
> He who laughs last, zioBitch.
>
>> Deborah aka DebWhorA
>>
>>
>
Gary Renzetti
"jgarbuz" <jga...@netzero.com> wrote in message
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claptrap posted on here does tend to make a body wonder if they actually
were so wrong. It appears that you are in favour of continuing the same sort
of crap as they were so efficient at. What size jackboots do you wear, Jake?
Gary Renzetti
"jgarbuz" <jga...@netzero.com> wrote in message
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sanitizing Jenin before they let anyone have a look at the place. Where did
the scum put the corpses anyway?
peace.seeker.27
> >> > Gaza shoulde be paved over.
> >> Gaza is mostly paved over, Colon. <
> > No, he meant pave over the Arabs in Gaza and not just the ground. That
> > way they could simply disappear too, just like the holocaust victims.
> > We should have learned from the Germans: never leave evidence behind!
>
> As for leaving evidence behind, the Zioscum did a pretty good job of
> sanitizing Jenin before they let anyone have a look at the place. Where did
> the scum put the corpses anyway?
Israel to bury dead from 'massacre' camp
12 April 2002
Israel will bury Palestinians killed in the West Bank refugee camp of
Jenin, the army said today, prompting Palestinian allegations that
Israel had
killed hundreds of civilians and was trying to hide the bodies.
Army spokesman Brigadier General Ron Kitrey denied the Palestinian
accusations of a cover-up, but said collection and burial of the bodies
in Jenin would begin today.
[snip]
Brig. Kitrey told Israel Army radio today that hundreds of Palestinians
had been killed in Jenin. But the army subsequently contacted news
organisations to say that he meant hundreds had been killed and
wounded.
He said the bodies from the Jenin fighting would be buried at a special
cemetery in the Jordan Valley where Lebanese fighters killed in
cross-border clashes have been buried in unmarked graves.
"The terrorists we found with guns we are going to bury in what we call
the enemy cemetery site," he told The Associated Press. "The civilians
we
will try to give back to the Palestinians."
He alleged Palestinian Red Crescent officials have rejected an Israeli
offer to retrieve bodies from the camp. However, Dr. Hussam Sharkawi of
the
Red Crescent said that for several days the Israeli army has blocked
his
group from entering the camp.
"This is part of their disinformation campaign to hide something," Dr
Sharkawi said.
The Red Cross also said it and other aid groups, including the Red
Crescent, had been denied permission by Israel to enter the camp. The
organization's communication coordinator, Alexandra Matijevic, said the
Red Cross has been shut out of the camp for three days and has been
unable to confirm conflicting casualty claims.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=284123
Defendario
> There you go- when you run out of facts, there appears that name-calling
> defense. It really gives credence to your position. "Zeo-Nazi
> coreligionosts", "zio Whore". Very impressive.
>
I'm not out of facts at all, zioShill. But the person you so gallantly
defend, DebWhorA Sharavi, is the same disgusting zioNist bitch who
posted a recipe for roasted Palestinian children as a joke.
When answering such as her, the gloves are off.
> Hmmm, let me see my dilemma. Support a person who makes an objective
> statement of fact, or support the one who responds by calling a woman a
> 'whore' for expressing her idea? gee. Tough decision.
>
Objective statement of fact?
Here that goes:
DebWhore spewed:
Don't like it? Should have stopped the terrorism.
I say, how can the people of Gaza stop what the IDF has not been able to
stop with all their tanks, howitzers, helicopter gunships, naval vessels
and jet aircraft? What should the Gazans do? Commit mass suicide to
spare the IsReeLee zioNazis the trouble of murdering them?
Sorry Carl, (which I doubt is your real name. It's more likely Ofer)
but you just exposed your racism and bigotry in a way that I never could
have. You'll get yours too, when the time comes.
Soon.
Defendario
Nothing but worthless crap, as usual.
Sorry DocDhimmi. Back to the killjail with you.
*PLONK*
docremington
So feisty.
fla...@verizon.net
On 9-Sep-2006, "Carl" <crot...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> Please, let's begin by leaving out the absurd references and comparisons
> to
> Hitler, the Nazis, and the Holocaust. They are, at best, extremely poor
> analogies and serve no purpose other than to fan flames.
Yes, & you are being very polite oabout their deliberate use of these lies.
> No matter what else
> you might think, I don't believe you think the Israelis have a purposely
> planned genocide program in play.
The numbers certainly would prove the opposite.
> And that planned genocide program is
> what makes those analogies irrelevant and ludicrous.
>
> At the Camp David accords, every single concession was granted to Arafat
> and
> the Palestinians including returning the Arab quarter of Jerusalem, a huge
>
> concession to the Israelis.
(I presume you mean "from" the Israelis - or, rather, that,
"to the Israelis, it was a huge concession")
> Arafat pretended to accept the offer and hands
>
> were shook on the deal. In the twelfth hour Arafat returned to the
> bargaining table with yet one more condition: the so called "right to
> return" proviso. That absurd concept would allow what was, in 1948, about
> 100,000 refugees, who have now propagated to several million, the absolute
>
> right to return to Israel, effectively destroying the Jewish state.
> Imagine
> allowing the Spaniards including their prodigy over the past 200 years,
> the
> "right to return" to California or Texas. Or the French to return with
> their
> prodigy to Louisiana and the Northwest territory. It could never be
> allowed.
This is an excellent analogy, because the Spaniards/French were
also not the original inhabitants of those areas, either.
Where it falls apart (and all analogies do - this is no real criticism)
is when you realize that at least the Spaniards/French had actual
governments in place where they were living.
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 9-Sep-2006, "Carl" <crot...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> No, I'm not stupid. I think you can tell that from my writing, which is
> far
> better than yours. Nor do I think the pejorative term "Pisraeli" is
> needed.
> But, generally speaking, people who resort to name-calling as a form of
> argument are (stupid that is). Take a look at yourself before casting
> those
> first stones
>
> Your presentation is filled with half-truths and innuendos, many of which
> have no or little basis in fact.
>
> I'm going to leave you with that you need to research your facts more
> thoroughly before you spew them out. There's a lot you're missing.
Gently said, sir.
>
> I would simply say that, looking around the world and the myriad of
> Islamic
> based conflicts which exist in other regions, the Israelis, while not
> perfect, hold the highest moral ground for rules of war. You can choose to
>
> believe that or not. But I strongly believe it to be true.
>
> Simply put, if the damn Arabs would accept Israel, and give up their
> stated
> purpose of wiping Israel off the map, and keep their goddamn suicide
> bombers
> and Kyatusha rockets to themselves, you would never hear of an act of
> aggression by Israel.
This is it in a nutshell.
Susan
> Why don't we try my idea for awhile and see?
>
> "Gary Renzetti"
[snip lies and insults]
docremington
> Gary Renzetti wrote:
> > "jgarbuz" <jga...@netzero.com> wrote:
> > > The Re''vrand wrote:
> > >> "Colon. Mortimer" <bobby...@lycos.com wrote:
> > >> > Gaza shoulde be paved over.
> > >> Gaza is mostly paved over, Colon. <
> > > No, he meant pave over the Arabs in Gaza and not just the ground. That
> > > way they could simply disappear too, just like the holocaust victims.
> > > We should have learned from the Germans: never leave evidence behind!
> >
> > As for leaving evidence behind, the Zioscum did a pretty good job of
> > sanitizing Jenin before they let anyone have a look at the place. Where did
> > the scum put the corpses anyway?
>
> Israel to bury dead from 'massacre' camp
> 12 April 2002
>
> Israel will bury Palestinians killed in the West Bank refugee camp of
> Jenin, the army said today, prompting Palestinian allegations that
> Israel had
> killed hundreds of civilians and was trying to hide the bodies.
>
Well, since when refugee camps became bases for terrorists? I thought,
the refugee camp statute prohibits using it as terrorist base, doesn't
it? Anyway:
"JENIN, West Bank - Palestinian officials yesterday put the death toll
at 56 in the two-week Israeli assault on Jenin, dropping claims of a
massacre of 500 that had sparked demands for a U.N. investigation.
The official Palestinian body count, which is not disproportionate to
the 33 Israeli soldiers killed in the incursion, was disclosed by
Kadoura Mousa Kadoura, the director of Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement
for the northern West Bank, after a team of four Palestinian-appointed
investigators reported to him in his Jenin office."
Paul Martin WashTimes, May 1, 2002
Leaving aside that proportionate-disproportionate fallacy, we see
palisimians are the culprits, who turned part of Jenin into a terrorist
camp.
Ben C'ramer
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:0FMMg.2831$xh3.2701@trnddc01...
>
> On 9-Sep-2006, "Carl" <crot...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Please, let's begin by leaving out the absurd references and comparisons
>> to
>> Hitler, the Nazis, and the Holocaust. They are, at best, extremely poor
>> analogies and serve no purpose other than to fan flames.
>
> Yes, & you are being very polite oabout their deliberate use of these
> lies.
"Oabout"? Another new one from the thick Irish cunt.
>
>> No matter what else
>> you might think, I don't believe you think the Israelis have a purposely
>> planned genocide program in play.
>
> The numbers certainly would prove the opposite.
>
>> And that planned genocide program is
>> what makes those analogies irrelevant and ludicrous.
>>
>> At the Camp David accords, every single concession was granted to Arafat
>> and
>> the Palestinians including returning the Arab quarter of Jerusalem, a
>> huge
>>
>> concession to the Israelis.
>
> (I presume you mean "from" the Israelis - or, rather, that,
> "to the Israelis, it was a huge concession")
Such a concession already. Yids controlled the Palestinian travel, airspace,
water, borders, settlements in theWB remained intact, yid checkpoints
remained, yid military remained in the WB.
Such concessions already.
>
>> Arafat pretended to accept the offer and hands
>>
>> were shook on the deal. In the twelfth hour Arafat returned to the
>> bargaining table with yet one more condition: the so called "right to
>> return" proviso. That absurd concept would allow what was, in 1948, about
>> 100,000 refugees, who have now propagated to several million, the
>> absolute
>>
>> right to return to Israel, effectively destroying the Jewish state.
>> Imagine
>> allowing the Spaniards including their prodigy over the past 200 years,
>> the
>> "right to return" to California or Texas. Or the French to return with
>> their
>> prodigy to Louisiana and the Northwest territory. It could never be
>> allowed.
>
> This is an excellent analogy, because the Spaniards/French were
> also not the original inhabitants of those areas, either.
Neither are the stinky yids indigenous to the ME, you thick Irish cunt.
Ben C'ramer
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:VFMMg.2834$xh3.254@trnddc01...
That's part of it. It would be of tremendous help if the stinky yids pulled
their heads in and commenced acting like decent members of the global
village instead of the pagan, brutal cunts they are.
Ben C'ramer
We're expected to take the word of the stinky yids for this. They wouldn't
permit external, independent, assessors into the area.
We all know the yids lie like pigs in shit.
vesuvian.d...@lycos.com
> Please, let's begin by leaving out the absurd references and comparisons to
> Hitler, the Nazis, and the Holocaust. They are, at best, extremely poor
> analogies and serve no purpose other than to fan flames. No matter what else
> you might think, I don't believe you think the Israelis have a purposely
> planned genocide program in play. And that planned genocide program is what
> makes those analogies irrelevant and ludicrous.
The Warsaw Ghetto preceded the genocide. Only after
American entry into World War II, in December 1941, did
the "final solution" begin. The similarities between Gaza and
the Warsaw Ghetto up to December 1941 are painfully clear:
random killings, starvation, dehumanization. This may be
'absurd' to you, but then you are not on the receiving end
of Israeli's collective punishment.
> At the Camp David accords, every single concession was granted to Arafat and
> the Palestinians including returning the Arab quarter of Jerusalem, a huge
> concession to the Israelis.
At Camp David, Arafat was offered some disconnected
Bantustans which would not be in control of its air space,
its water resources, its foreign policy or numerous other
attributes of a sovereign state.
> Arafat pretended to accept the offer and hands
> were shook on the deal. In the twelfth hour Arafat returned to the
> bargaining table with yet one more condition: the so called "right to
> return" proviso.
It is 'absurd' for you to state that right of return was not
brought up until the twelfth hour. This has always been
a top priority of the Palestinians. What Israel offered
with respect to right of return was: Palestinians could
return to the Palestinian Bantustans, but not to Israel,
and OTHER NATIONS would be permitted to compensate
the Palestinians for the losses they incurred when
Israel confiscated their homes, their property and
their land, HOWEVER, Israel would not be required
to pay anything. How generous!
> That absurd concept would allow what was, in 1948, about
> 100,000 refugees...
actually more like 700,000 ...
> who have now propagated to several million, the absolute
> right to return to Israel, effectively destroying the Jewish state.
If the Jewish state is based on the ethnic cleaning of
hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, maybe,
just maybe, the foundations of the Jewish state are
terrorism, pure and simple, starting with Deir Yassin.
It is no surprise that the victims of such terrorism
would themselves turn to terrorism, seeing how
successful it was to the Zionists.
>Imagine
> allowing the Spaniards including their prodigy over the past 200 years, the
> "right to return" to California or Texas. Or the French to return with their
> prodigy to Louisiana and the Northwest territory. It could never be allowed.
The U.S. did not ethnically cleanse Texas and
California of Spaniards (actually Mexicans) after the
Mexican War, nor did we confiscate the property
of individuals.
And we did not conquer and ethnically cleanse Louisiana,
we legally purchased it from Napoleon, whose design was
Europe, not the wilderness of the American West.
You may want to learn American history a
little bit better before citing it incorrectly.
Further, when the United Nations was considering their
admission of Israel, Israeli diplomats promised that as a
condition of acceptance, it would obey international law
and allow the return of the refugees after the fighting
stopped. This became the first of many times Israel would
ignore International law and the United Nations.
> Arafat knew that this was an unteneable, non-negotiable issue and used
> Israel's refusal over this singular issue as an excuse to call an
> "intifada",
The intifada was ignited by Sharon's visit to the Temple Mount,
not by a call by Arafat. The use of live ammunition by Israeli
Security forces and the killing of nine unarmed demonstrators
at the Temple Mount, the Muslim religion's third most holy site,
was the cause of the intifada. Sharon's cynical political ploy
was successful, and despite the carnage he set in motion, his
party won the elections and he became Israeli Prime Minister.
> Meantime, the Palestinian Authority makes no effort to reel in the terrorist
> groups nor stop the attacks eminating from their borders. You may call the
> Israel responses "collective punishment" if you choose, but the perpetrators
> dress as Gaza citizens and return to their homes in Gaza, hiding amongst
> their women and children and in their own homes.
Maybe they got the idea from the Stern Gang and Irgun.
> They have created an
> unconventional 'war' requiring unfortunate, but unconventional means of
> response. I don't doubt that all parties are regretful about this. What
> would your suggested defensive plan be, given you were leader of Israel?
Target the criminals, not the entire population. By targeting
the entire population, you perpetuate the conflict indefinitely,
as the Americans are doing in Iraq. This, however, seems
to be the Israeli goal: keep the conflict going indefinitely,
keep expanding by further ethnic cleansing, keep going
until Israel extends at least from the Nile to the Euphrates.
> The Jews of Germany engaged in no militant nor terrorist acts...
The assassination of a German diplomat was not a terrorist
act?
You may want to learn the history of Kristallnacht a little bit
better before you make additional incorrect statements.
In fact, Israel based its 1982 invasion of Lebanon on the
ATTEMPTED assassination of an Israeli diplomat in London.
Maybe it is not so 'absurd' to point out all the similarities
between the Zionists and the Nazis.
> Oh yeah, by the way, "Israelis" and "Jews" are NOT synonymous. It would be
> best if you kept it that way in your arguments. One is a sovereign nation
> and the latter may be defined differentially as an ethnic group OR a
> religious group, not aways the same. When we talk about Israel as the
> "Jewish State", we are referring to it as an ethinic group, as people from
> France may be "Frenchmen", but not necessarily "Christians". It is important
> to maintain this distinction with Israel. Not all Israelis are Jews. Not all
> Jews are Israelis.
But if you are not Jewish in Israel, you are less than a second
class citizen. Israel's own Orr Commission documented the
murder of innocent Israeli Arab citizens by Israeli Security forces. No
punishment was given for the murderers who were identified,
nor were charges ever brought against the murderers. The
murderers continued working for the Israeli Security forces,
and were even promoted to higher positions. So, if you are an
Israeli Arab citizen, the state of Israel can murder you with
impunity. And if you are an Arab who is not an Israeli
citizen living in the West Bank or Gaza, then it's just
like the pre-genocide Warsaw Ghetto.
> "peace.seeker.27" <vesuvian.d...@lycos.com> wrote:
>> Carl wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>>"Those who live by the sword, die by the sword"...
>>
>> ... which also applies to Israel.
>>
>> When Arafat unconditionally accepted
>> the final Taba offer by Israel, Sharon
>> announced that the offer had expired.
>>
>> Sharon, leader of the Unit 101 terrorists,
>> mastermind of the massacre at Sabra
>> and Shatila, could not resist the
>> opportunity to destroy $500 million of
>> the Palestinian Authority's infrastructure.
>>
>> When the Nazis did this to the Jews in
>> Germany on Kristallnacht, Jews complained
>> they were the victims of collective punishment.
>> Now the Jews are the ones inflicting the
>> same kind of collective punishment. If it
>> was wrong when the Nazis did it, why is
>> it OK now?
>>
Ron Jacobson
Ben C'ramer <[REMOVETHIS]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
(horrible drivel given the snip)
"Ben", can you please elaborate further on those "shitty
experiences with hallucinogenics" you had? Message-ID:
<1125145048.cafe8828396fceebe6c6eb01bec409b3@teranews>.
Seems you suffered some serious damage. Why don't you
seek help?
RJ.
Carl
trying to provide an analogy to American history and the Israeli/Palestinian
conflict. I think that is immature of you. I think the ideas are correct in
principle. It would be near to impossible to find a 'perfect' analogy that
you would not be able to nit-pick. So moving on from there...
I have a feeling you'll discredit the source, but here's at least a
food-for-thought idea for you to digest for now. The source is
http://www.jcpa.org/art/brief1-4.htm, and it says:
"Whoever thinks the Intifada broke out because of the despised Sharon's
visit to the Al-Aqsa Mosque is wrong....This Intifada was planned in
advance, ever since President Arafat's return from the Camp David
Negotiations," admitted Palestinian Communications Minister 'Imad Al-Faluji
six months ago (Al-Safir, March 3, 2001, trans. MEMRI)."
Now you may criticize my grasp of American history (which is, admittedly
less than perfect) and my knowledge of the etiology of the CURRENT
Israeli/Palestinian conflict. That's your choice. However, I think you
actually do see that I know some things about some of these things. I don't
know what makes you so self-assured about your general history knowledge,
but good for you.
However, the citation aboves implies that your knowledge may be flawed too.
So, you know, glass houses, throwing stones, etc. I would avoid that if I
were you.
By the way, you also wrote the following:
> Carl, who cannot resist top posting, wrote:
I do not 'top post' to my knowledge. I see a post, I write a response, and I
hit "Send". Where it ends up has little to do with me. As a matter of fact,
my newsreader is showing me that the prior posts of this thread are missing.
So, for now, I am just responding to YOUR lone post which I see is posted in
5 different newsgroups. I am only interested in alt.politics.usa, but you're
cross-posting to 4 others so this response will be too. I don't spend my
time editing the "To" column.
<vesuvian.d...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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peace.seeker.27
> I have a feeling you'll discredit the source,
... probably because you already know it is propaganda ...
> ... but here's at least a
> food-for-thought idea for you to digest for now. The source is
> http://www.jcpa.org/art/brief1-4.htm, and it says:
>
> "Whoever thinks the Intifada broke out because of the despised Sharon's
> visit to the Al-Aqsa Mosque is wrong....This Intifada was planned in
> advance, ever since President Arafat's return from the Camp David
> Negotiations," admitted Palestinian Communications Minister 'Imad Al-Faluji
> six months ago (Al-Safir, March 3, 2001, trans. MEMRI)."
MEMRI is hardly an impartial source. Their main purpose in
life is to make all Arabs look bad and to make the Israelis
always look good; that is, hardcore Zionist propaganda.
It may be true that Mr. Al-Faluji spoke those words. It
may also be true that he was tortured in an Israeli prison
cell in order to encourage him to say those words. Recall
that the Israeli Supreme Court condones 'moderate' torture.
(Is that like being 'moderately' pregnant?)
Or maybe he was not tortured at all. Maybe he was told
that if he did not cooperate, his children would all be
tortured in his presence.
Or maybe Mr. Al-Faluji was being blackmailed.
Or maybe Mr. Al-Faluji is a drug addict who
gets his fix from Israeli Security sources.
Or maybe Mr. Al-Faluji is merely the grateful
recipient of payments he received from his
Israeli handlers for reading the script he was
given.
The bottom line is the words he allegedly
spoke are untrue:
"there was no [Israeli] intelligence material
at all backing the assertion that Arafat is
working for the destruction of the State of
Israel, that Arafat had broken off the peace
process in order to start a terror campaign,
that Arafat is not ready for a reasonable
compromise."
"Israeli participants and international
researchers have published detailed
reports that prove that Barak himself
was responsible for the failure [at
Camp David] at least as much as
Arafat - in fact, far more."
"Irreversible Mental Damage"
by Uri Avnery
June 19, 2004
http://counterpunch.org/avnery06212004.html
Two weeks ago, the international community made a shocking
declaration.
Giving in to a demand by George Bush, the "Quartet" accepted the
"Revised Disengagement Plan" of Ariel Sharon. This means that the
United Nations, the European Union, the Russian Federation and the
United States confirmed this document. I wonder if any one of the
honorable diplomats has read the document with their own eyes.
In the first paragraph of the "plan", the following words appear:
"Israel has come to the conclusion that at present, there is no
Palestinian partner with whom it is possible to make progress on a
bilateral peace process."
That is to say, the international community has confirmed that
the Palestinian people has no right to take part in the determination
of its own fate. Everything will be decided by the Government of
Israel alone, with the backing of the United States, whose position
will be automatically accepted by the other partners of the "Quartet".
The European Union with its 25 member-states, the government of
the Russian Federation and the organization that represents the entire
world have humbly accepted the edict of Bush, the dictator of the
world, who is himself a captive of Sharon. Sharon decided long ago
that the elected president of the Palestinian people is "irrelevant",
together with the whole Palestinian leadership.
The Palestinian people have been eliminated from the list of
decision-makers, thereby also abolishing in practice all the
agreements signed with them, from Oslo to the Road Map.
This is a scandalous step, unprecedented in its dimensions, and it
passed without comment. Apart from Sharon and his minions, nobody
noticed the implications. The big boot of the international community
trod on the Palestinian people without even noticing it, as if on an
ant.
That is the culmination of a process that began with the return
of the then Prime minister, Ehud Barak, from the 2000 Camp David
summit. After the failure of that meeting, he coined the mantra that
has since become the cornerstone of the policy of successive Israeli
governments: "I have turned every stone on the way to peace / I have
offered the Palestinians more generous proposals than any of my
predecessors / The Palestinians have rejected all my offers / Arafat
wants to throw us into the sea / We have no partner for peace."
This mantra is based on a series of lies that have been exploded
long ago. American eye-witnesses like Robert Malley, President
Clinton's advisor at Camp David, as well as some of the Israeli
participants and international researchers have published detailed
reports that prove that Barak himself was responsible for the failure
at least as much as Arafat - in fact, far more.
And as if by coincidence, just when the international community
absent-mindedly accepted that the Palestinian people is not a partner
for peace, in Israel itself things are happening that turn everything
upside down.
The High Priest of the "We Have No Partner" creed is General (res.)
Amos Gilad, who at the crucial time was chief of the research section
(and as such the No. 2) of the Army Intelligence Department. Since
army intelligence is the department solely responsible for the
"national security assessment", it has a decisive influence on the
formation of national policy.
The army intelligence man reports directly to the Prime Minister and
takes part in cabinet meetings. No minister would dare to question his
assessments, which are the guiding star of the entire state. The
research chief of the intelligence department is supposed to submit a
professional summary of the huge amount of data amassed by the
intelligence community. Most ministers are forbidden to read the
written report, and even the few others are allowed only to glance at
it. Therefore, the oral summary presented by the chief of research to
the Prime Minister and the cabinet is of paramount importance.
Amos Gilad went even further: he appeared almost daily in the media,
commenting on almost every political and security event. He was not
only the "national assessor", but also the "national explainer", as he
was commonly called in the media.
Who is this man, who has had a greater influence than any other
person on the policies of Israel over the last few crucial years, and
whose kontseptsia (Hebrew for "conception") is still directing the
path of the state? This is the very same Amos Gilad who some days ago
claimed for himself the benefits due to disabled army veterans. He was
not wounded in battle, G-d forbid, but claimed that the stress caused
by his difficult job has inflicted on him irreversible mental damage.
This claim involves a considerable amount of Chutzpah, if not worse.
But it also raises the question: This mental damage, when did it
start? When were the first symptoms observed? Was it when he started
endlessly repeating that Arafat wants to throw us into the sea? Or was
this declaration, perhaps, itself a symptom of his mental problem? And
how can he continue to fulfill his present duties?
The last two weeks, Israel witnessed a stormy debate that should
have shaken the very foundations of the state.
The former chief of Army Intelligence, General (res.) Amos Malka,
who was the direct superior of Gilad, broke his silence of many years
and published a thunderous accusation: that Amos Gilad arrived at his
"kontseptsia" without any intelligence basis whatsoever. On the
contrary, the huge amount of information collected by the intelligence
department indicated the very opposite. That is to say, Gilad freely
invented his intelligence reports, based on his political views and/or
on the desire to please his political bosses, Barak and Sharon.
This grave accusation raised a storm in professional circles.
Intelligence operatives of undoubted integrity emerged from their
anonymity in order to support Malka publicly. They were headed by the
man who, at the relevant time, was in charge of the Army Intelligence
section for Palestinian affairs, Colonel Ephraim Lavie, who was then
responsible for the collection of all intelligence material about the
Palestinian leadership. There is no doubt that in the professional
confrontation between Amos and Amos, Amos Malka emerged as
the victor.
This means, in simple words: there was no intelligence material at
all backing the assertion that Arafat is working for the destruction
of the State of Israel, that Arafat had broken off the peace process
in order to start a terror campaign, that Arafat is not ready for a
reasonable compromise. All these assertions, uttered by diverse
Israeli politicians and generals, were based on the "assessment" of
one man who, while appearing to represent the intelligence department,
was actually suppressing the considered professional reports of his
own department, as well as of the General Security Service (Shabak).
When the debate heated up, the Orientalist Matti Steinberg, a former
advisor on Palestinian affairs to the chief of the Shabak, joined the
fray. Steinberg not only confirmed that Gilad's "kontseptsia" was
completely false and contradicted the intelligence material assembled
by his own people, but he also asserted that Gilad's conception
"fulfilled its own prophecy".
Since Israel is immeasurably stronger than the Palestinians, its
actions create reality. The acts guided by Gilad's "kontseptsia"
created results that suited it. Much as the "kontseptsia" of Eli
Za'ira, the intelligence chief at the time of the Yom Kippur war,
resulted in catastrophe, thus the "kontseptsia" of Amos Gilad caused
- and is still causing - the disasters of the present intifada.
(The 1973 intelligence conception was that Egypt would not dare
to attack Israel, causing all the glaringly obvious signs to the
contrary to be ignored, thus preventing adequate preparations and
resulting in the death of 3000 Israeli soldiers. Since then the Hebrew
word "kontseptsia" has assumed an almost obscene connotation in
Israel.)
As of now, Gilad's immediate superior (Malka) and his immediate
subordinate (Lavie) both accuse him of presenting his personal
opinions, which were unsupported by any intelligence backing, as if
they were the official assessment of the intelligence services.
Gilad has caused irreversible damage. His mantra was accepted by the
vast majority of Israelis, as well as a large part of international
public opinion. Its exposure in professional circles will not alter
this fact. Indeed, the recent decision of the "Quartet" shows how
deeply entrenched this lie has become throughout the world.
By the way, these revelations show that the secret assessment of
the highest professional echelons of the Army Intelligence Department
and Shabak were practically identical with the assessments published
at the time by Gush Shalom, which were met with total disbelief by the
media and the public, including a large part of the "peace camp". To
wit, that the Palestinian leadership, headed by Arafat, has never
wavered from its readiness to make peace with Israel based on the
creation of a Palestinian state on 97% of the West Bank and the Gaza
Strip (which together make 22% of historic Palestine), with
territorial compensation for the remaining 3% and sovereignty over
East Jerusalem and the Haram-al-Sharif ("Temple Mount"). The refugee
problem would be solved by agreement with Israel (meaning: Israel will
have a veto on any solution).
The experts of army intelligence and the security service, too,
agree that Arafat has not wavered from this position. On this basis,
peace can be achieved even now, as Arafat himself confirmed this week
in a fascinating interview with the new editor of Ha'aretz, David
Landau.
Ariel Sharon denies this, of course, because he is not ready for
peace on these terms. He wants to annex at least 55% of the West Bank,
hoping that the life of the Palestinians in the remaining 45% will
become so impossible that they will leave the country of their own
accord. Shimon Peres is eager to help him in the realization of this
design.
For that, Sharon needs the "We Have No Partner" mantra. Amos
Gilad delivered the goods. Now the "Quartet" has accepted it, bringing
shame on itself and obstructing the search for peace.
> By the way, you also wrote the following:
>
>> Carl, who cannot resist top posting, wrote:
>
> I do not 'top post' to my knowledge. I see a post, I write a response, and I
> hit "Send". Where it ends up has little to do with me. As a matter of fact,
> my newsreader is showing me that the prior posts of this thread are missing.
> So, for now, I am just responding to YOUR lone post which I see is posted in
> 5 different newsgroups. I am only interested in alt.politics.usa, but you're
> cross-posting to 4 others so this response will be too. I don't spend my
> time editing the "To" column.
Welcome to usenet, newbie Carl! There are certain common
rules of etiquette which you are free to ignore if you so wish.
One rule says 'respond to a post at the end of the previous
post, not at the beginning.' This helps people who have
just joined a thread to read things in the order in which
they appeared.
You will meet some very rude people on usenet who will
ignore all rules of civilized behavior, and some of them will
use very, very foul language. This means that they have
nothing of value to add to a discussion, and they are limited
to name calling and insulting those they disagree with.
When two usenet posters degenerate into non-stop
insulting of each other, it is called a 'flame war.'
Very unproductive. Very boring.
Unfortunately, on controversial topics, such as
this one, flame wars are the rule, not the exception.
Remember, no one is forcing you to participate in
insults and name calling, you do so with your own
free will. [Many are seduced by the dark side of the
force.] However, feel free to ignore the abuse and
not respond in kind. This means your arguments
are superior, since facts and logic beat name
calling every time.
Ben C'ramer
"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
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> In article <ee0n17$1r2e$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>,
In early March, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)
held its forty-seventh annual conference in Washington. AIPAC's
executive director spent twenty-seven minutes reading the "roll call"
of dignitaries present at the gala dinner, which included a majority
of the Senate and a quarter of the House, along with dozens of
Administration officials.
As this event illustrates, it's impossible to talk about Congress's
relationship to Israel without highlighting AIPAC, the American Jewish
community's most important voice on the Hill. The Congressional
reaction to Hezbollah's attack on Israel and Israel's retaliatory
bombing of Lebanon provide the latest example of why.
On July 18, the Senate unanimously approved a nonbinding resolution
"condemning Hamas and Hezbollah and their state sponsors and
supporting Israel's exercise of its right to self-defense." After
House majority leader John Boehner removed language from the bill
urging "all sides to protect innocent civilian life and
infrastructure," the House version passed by a landslide, 410 to 8.
AIPAC not only lobbied for the resolution; it had written it. "They
[Congress] were given a resolution by AIPAC," said former Carter
Administration National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, who
addressed the House Democratic Caucus on July 19. "They didn't prepare
one."
AIPAC is the leading player in what is sometimes referred to as "The
Israel Lobby" -- a coalition that includes major Jewish groups,
neoconservative intellectuals and Christian Zionists. With its
impressive contacts among Hill staffers, influential grassroots
supporters and deep connections to wealthy donors, AIPAC is the
lobby's key emissary to Congress. But in many ways, AIPAC has become
greater than just another lobby; its work has made unconditional
support for Israel an accepted cost of doing business inside the halls
of Congress. AIPAC's interest, Israel's interest and America's
interest are today perceived by most elected leaders to be one and the
same. Christian conservatives increasingly aligned with AIPAC demand
unwavering support for Israel from their Republican leaders. (In
mid-July, 3,000-plus evangelicals came to town for the first annual
"Christian United for Israel" summit.) And Democrats are equally
concerned about alienating Jewish voters and Jewish donors -- long a
cornerstone of their party. Some in Congress are deeply uncomfortable
with AIPAC's militant worldview and heavyhanded tactics, but most dare
not say so publicly.
"The Bush Administration is bad enough in tolerating measures they
would not accept anywhere else but Israel," says Henry Siegman, the
former head of the American Jewish Congress and a Middle East expert
at the Council on Foreign Relations. "But the Congress, if anything,
is urging the Administration on and criticizing them even at their
most accommodating. When it comes to the Israeli-Arab conflict, the
terms of debate are so influenced by organized Jewish groups, like
AIPAC, that to be critical of Israel is to deny oneself the ability to
succeed in American politics."
There are a few internationalist Republicans in the Senate and
progressive Democrats in the House who occasionally dissent.
Representative Dennis Kucinich and twenty-three co-sponsors have
offered a resolution calling for an immediate cease-fire and a return
to multiparty diplomacy between the United States and regional powers,
with no preconditions. But even the resolution's supporters admit it
isn't likely to go anywhere. Another bill introduced by several
Arab-American lawmakers that stressed the need to minimize civilian
casualties on both sides was "politically swept under the rug,"
according to Representative Nick Rahall, a Lebanese-American Democrat
from West Virginia who voted against the House resolution. Dovish
American-Israeli groups, such as Americans for Peace Now, have largely
stayed out of the fight.
The latest hawkish Congressional activity is primarily intended to
show voters and potential donors that elected officials are unwavering
friends of Israel and enemies of terrorism. "It's just for home
consumption," said Representative Charlie Rangel, a powerful New York
Democrat who signed on to Kucinich's resolution. "We don't have the
support of countries that support us! What the hell are we going to
do, bomb Iran? Bomb Syria?" His colleagues, said Rahall, "were trying
to out-AIPAC AIPAC."
Discussion in Congress quickly widened beyond Israel to include a
broader policy of confrontation toward the entire Middle East.
Congressmen sent a flurry of "dear colleague" letters to one another,
hoping to pressure the Administration into tightening sanctions on
Syria and Iran, Hezbollah's two main state sponsors. Former Middle
East envoy Dennis Ross addressed a packed AIPAC-sponsored luncheon on
the Hill, where, according to one aide present, Ross told the room:
"This is all about Syria and Iran ... we shouldn't be condemning
Israel now." Said Representative Robert Andrews, a Democrat from New
Jersey and co-chair of the Iran Working Group, which this week hosted
an official from the Israeli embassy: "I concur completely with that
approach."
Democrats, as they did during the Dubai ports scandal, used the crisis
to score a few cheap, easy political points against the Bush
Administration. The new prime minister of Iraq, Nouri al-Maliki, found
himself engulfed in a Congressional firestorm after he denounced
Israel's attacks on Lebanon as an act of "aggression." Democratic
Congressional Campaign Committee chair Rahm Emanuel, who volunteered
in Israel during the first Gulf War, called on Maliki to cancel his
planned address before Congress. Asked Senator Chuck Schumer, who
skipped Maliki's July 26 speech: "Which side is he on when it comes to
the war on terror?" Howard Dean one upped his colleagues, labeling
Maliki an "anti-Semite" during a speech in Palm Beach, Florida.
Ironically, during the 2004 campaign Dean called on the United States
to be an "evenhanded" broker in the Middle East. That position enraged
party leaders such as House minority leader Nancy Pelosi, who signed a
letter attacking his remarks. "It was designed to send a message: No
one ever does this again," says M.J. Rosenberg of the center-left
Israel Policy Forum. "And no one has. The only safe thing to say is: I
support Israel." In April a representative from AIPAC called
Congresswoman Betty McCollum's vote against a draconian bill severely
curtailing aid to the Palestinian Authority "support for terrorists."
Not surprisingly, most in Congress see far more harm than reward in
getting in the Israeli lobby's way. "There remains a perception of
power and fear that AIPAC can undo you," says James Zogby, president
of the Arab American Institute. He points to the defeats of
Representative Paul Findley and Senator Charles Percy in the 1980s and
Representatives Cynthia McKinney and Earl Hilliard in 2002, when AIPAC
steered large donors to their opponents. Even if AIPAC's
make-you-or-break-you reputation is largely a myth, in an election
year that perception is potent. Thirty-six pro-Israel PACs gave $3.14
million to candidates in the 2004 election cycle. Rahall said his
opponent for re-election issued his first press release of the
campaign after Rahall voted against the House resolution. "Everybody
knew what would happen if they didn't vote yes," he says.
AIPAC continues to enjoy deep bipartisan backing inside Congress even
after two top AIPAC officials were indicted a year ago for allegedly
accepting and passing on confidential national security secrets from a
Defense Department analyst. "The US and Israel share a lot of basic
common values. The vast majority of the American people not only
support Israel's actions against Hezbollah but also the fundamental
US-Israel relationship, and the bipartisan support in Congress
reflects that," says AIPAC spokesman Josh Block. Rosenberg, himself a
former AIPAC staffer, puts it another way: "This is the one issue on
which liberals are permitted, even expected, by donors to be mindless
hawks."
By blindly following AIPAC, Congress reinforces a hard-line consensus:
Criticizing Israeli actions, even in the best of faith, is anti-Israel
and possibly anti-Semitic; enthusiastically backing whatever military
action Israel undertakes is the only acceptable stance.
Recent Gallup polls show that half of Americans support Israel's
military campaign, yet 65 percent believe the United States should not
take sides in the conflict. But it's hard to imagine any Congress, or
subsequent Administration, returning to the role of honest broker.
What the region needs now, according to Brzezinski, is an American
leader brave enough to say: "Either I make policy on the Middle East
or AIPAC makes policy on the Middle East." One can always dream.
Ari Berman is a contributing writer for The Nation and a Ralph Shikes
Fellow at the Public Concern Foundation. He's currently based in D.C.
Ben C'ramer
<vesuvian.d...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> Carl, who cannot resist top posting, wrote:
>> Please, let's begin by leaving out the absurd references and comparisons
>> to
>> Hitler, the Nazis, and the Holocaust. They are, at best, extremely poor
>> analogies and serve no purpose other than to fan flames. No matter what
>> else
>> you might think, I don't believe you think the Israelis have a purposely
>> planned genocide program in play. And that planned genocide program is
>> what
>> makes those analogies irrelevant and ludicrous.
>
> The Warsaw Ghetto preceded the genocide.
There was no genocide, dopey.
>Only after
> American entry into World War II, in December 1941, did
> the "final solution" begin.
There was no "final solution", dopey.
>The similarities between Gaza and
> the Warsaw Ghetto up to December 1941 are painfully clear:
There are differenes? Only the uniforms of the nazis involved from what I
can see.
Don Ocean
>>
>> Only after
>> American entry into World War II, in December 1941, did
>> the "final solution" begin.
>
> There was no "final solution", dopey.
Not yet anyway... ;-p
docremington
> At Camp David, Arafat was offered some disconnected
> Bantustans which would not be in control of its air space,
> its water resources, its foreign policy or numerous other
> attributes of a sovereign state.
>
"As I told you, no new map was presented to the Palestinians through
Taba. But we worked on new internal maps that would reflect the new
percentages. And when the ridiculous contention was voiced that what we
were proposing to the Palestinians was cantons and that they would not
have territorial contiguity, I went to [Egyptian President Hosni]
Mubarak and showed him a map. As I recall, it was still the 8-percent
map, a map of 8-92. Mubarak perused it with interest and asked aloud
why the Palestinians were claiming they didn't have contiguity."
Ben Ami, former israeli foreign minister.
And palisimians control their own water. Why would they be able to
abuse it, if they did not? They control their own foreign policy. They
do not need airspace, anyway.
> > That absurd concept would allow what was, in 1948, about
> > 100,000 refugees...
>
> actually more like 700,000 ...
On par with the neumber of jews, driven out of the arab countries.
> > Imagine
> > allowing the Spaniards including their prodigy over the past 200 years, the
> > "right to return" to California or Texas. Or the French to return with their
> > prodigy to Louisiana and the Northwest territory. It could never be allowed.
>
> The U.S. did not ethnically cleanse Texas and
> California of Spaniards (actually Mexicans) after the
> Mexican War, nor did we confiscate the property
> of individuals.
As far as jews are concerned, arabs did both, driving them out and
confiscating their property.
> And we did not conquer and ethnically cleanse Louisiana,
> we legally purchased it from Napoleon, whose design was
> Europe, not the wilderness of the American West.
And jews had been buying land, but that had been hampered by the
british authorities.
> Further, when the United Nations was considering their
> admission of Israel, Israeli diplomats promised that as a
> condition of acceptance, it would obey international law
> and allow the return of the refugees after the fighting
> stopped. This became the first of many times Israel would
> ignore International law and the United Nations.
What international law? Is there an international government out there
yet?
> The intifada was ignited by Sharon's visit to the Temple Mount,
> not by a call by Arafat. The use of live ammunition by Israeli
> Security forces and the killing of nine unarmed demonstrators
> at the Temple Mount, the Muslim religion's third most holy site,
> was the cause of the intifada. Sharon's cynical political ploy
> was successful, and despite the carnage he set in motion, his
> party won the elections and he became Israeli Prime Minister.
"Mar. 4, 2001
SIDON, Lebanon (AP) - A Palestinian Cabinet minister said Friday that
the 5-month-old uprising against Israel was planned after peace talks
failed in July, contradicting contentions it was a spontaneous outburst
by Palestinians.
Communications Minister Imad Falouji said during a PLO rally that it
was a mistake to think the uprising, in which more than 400 people have
been killed, was sparked by Israeli Prime Minister-elect Ariel Sharon's
visit to the Al-Aqsa mosque compound in late September. ..."
> Maybe they got the idea from the Stern Gang and Irgun.
Then, israelis are the british.
Ben C'ramer
The fucking yids only owned 7% of the land they swiped. How the fuck could
they think the Arabs swiped "their" land.
>
>> And we did not conquer and ethnically cleanse Louisiana,
>> we legally purchased it from Napoleon, whose design was
>> Europe, not the wilderness of the American West.
>
> And jews had been buying land, but that had been hampered by the
> british authorities.
You can't buy a country, you fool.
>
>> Further, when the United Nations was considering their
>> admission of Israel, Israeli diplomats promised that as a
>> condition of acceptance, it would obey international law
>> and allow the return of the refugees after the fighting
>> stopped. This became the first of many times Israel would
>> ignore International law and the United Nations.
>
> What international law? Is there an international government out there
> yet?
Geneva Convention, for one. The settlements in the WB, and the occupation by
the yids is illegal.
Carl
> they think the Arabs swiped "their" land.
But the "Palestinians" owned virtually NONE. Show me ownership documentation
on record anywhere of so-called "Palestinians" owning that land, as opposed
to absentee landlord Arabs from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. who may have this
"ownership" claim if there is one at all.
Let's not forget that our Arab brethren chose to be allies of (or at least
have an alliance with) Hitler's Nazi Germany during WWII. They lost.
Traditionally, to the victor belongs the spoils. Arabs seem to like to play
"givsy-backsee" when THEY lose. But theirs is a one-sided rule.
"Ben C'ramer" <[REMOVETHIS]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Ron Jacobson
Ben C'ramer <[REMOVETHIS]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You can't buy a country, you fool.
Actually, you can. And then there's the aussie way:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/sep1999/geno-s07.shtml
<quote>
Between 1824 and 1908 approximately 10,000 Aborigines were murdered
in the Colony of Queensland. "Considered 'wild animals', 'vermin', 'scarcely
human', 'hideous to humanity', 'loathsome' and a 'nuisance', they were fair
game for white 'sportsmen'."
</quote>
RJ.
Ben C'ramer
"Carl" <crot...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
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>> The fucking yids only owned 7% of the land they swiped. How the fuck
>> could they think the Arabs swiped "their" land.
>
> But the "Palestinians" owned virtually NONE.
Call 'em Arabs and they did actually. 62%. This "there are no Palestinians"
is a dishonest ploy of the yids to defuse the fact they swiped land not
theirs.
>Show me ownership documentation on record anywhere of so-called
>"Palestinians" owning that land, as opposed to absentee landlord Arabs from
>Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. who may have this "ownership" claim if there is
>one at all.
See above. Completely dickhead argument.
>
> Let's not forget that our Arab brethren chose to be allies of (or at least
> have an alliance with) Hitler's Nazi Germany during WWII. They lost.
> Traditionally, to the victor belongs the spoils. Arabs seem to like to
> play "givsy-backsee" when THEY lose. But theirs is a one-sided rule.
Zionazis were working for Hitler as well, you dopey cunt.
Ben C'ramer
"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
> In article <ee3kjc$2mn4$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>,
BERGEN-BELSEN CONCENTRATION CAMP
On April 15, 1945, the Belsen concentration camp, near the village of
Bergen, was liberated by British troops. Scattered around the grounds
were around 10,000 decaying corpses which the troops had to bury in mass
graves using bulldozers. Some of the survivors who had been transferred
to Belsen from Auschwitz, stated that living conditions here were far
superior to those in Auschwitz. But this was soon to change as trains
bringing thousands of inmates from camps in the east began to arrive in
Belsen. Conditions became catastrophic during the final months of the
war as transports bringing food supplies to the camp were increasingly
being destroyed on the roads and railways by Allied bombers. Gross
overcrowding, inadequate supplies of food, water and medicines and an
uncontrollable outbreak of typhus caused the deaths of about 37,000
inmates up to the day of liberation.
In the few weeks after the British takeover, another 13,000 died in
spite of all the care taken to preserve life. On May 2 some 95 medical
students from London's teaching hospitals were flown to Belsen to help
treat the sick prisoners. But in striking contrast to the distorted
press coverage at the time, the Belsen Concentration Camp was not an
extermination facility. There was no deliberate intention by the Germans
to starve the prisoners to death at Belsen (officially designated as a
convalescence camp). No gas chambers were discovered and the crematorium
consisted of only one furnace in which to cremate the dead. The Camp's
Commandant, Josef Kramer, along with his chief physician, Dr Fritz
Cline, quarantined the camp and did everything in their power to prevent
the catastrophe, even appealing to higher authority for more transport
to fetch vegetables and other foodstuffs from the countryside. In spite
of their efforts both Kramer and Cline were executed after being found
guilty at the Belsen War Crimes Trial. A total of 86 staff members,
including 28 SS women guards were captured. By June 17, twenty had died,
some by suicide and others from the rigours of digging graves to bury
the dead inmates which the British forced them to do. (By the end of
the month the whole camp had to be burned down, even the timber building
housing the crematorium).
http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/1944.html#lesser_known_1945
Irate Infidel
"peace.seeker.27" <vesuvian.d...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> Gaza's darkness
> By Gideon Levy
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/757768.html
>
> Gaza has been reoccupied. The world must know this and Israelis must
> know it, too. It is in its worst condition, ever. Since the abduction
> of Gilad Shalit, and more so since the outbreak of the Lebanon war, the
> Israel Defense Forces has been rampaging through Gaza - there's no
> other word to describe it - killing and demolishing, bombing and
> shelling, indiscriminately.
Gee, you don't suppose all the Pallies have to do is give Shalit back and
all the bad stuff stops? Did that ever cross their fruitcake muzzie minds?
Even once?
Ben C'ramer
"Irate Infidel" <Bomb...@Now.com> wrote in message
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Do you really think so? If so, you're a bigger fool than I originally gave
you credit for.
Irate Infidel
>
> "Irate Infidel" <Bomb...@Now.com> wrote in message
> news:YJGdnQJQy6MUkovY...@comcast.com...
and
> > all the bad stuff stops?
>
> Do you really think so? If so, you're a bigger fool than I originally gave
> you credit for.
Ben, you foolish muzzie-sucker: the pallies grabbed the guy, Israel wants
him back, all the pallies have to do is give him back. Problem solved.
It's a condemnation of whatever school system you went through that you've
proven incapable of grasping this basic concept.
fla...@verizon.net
You cannot blame the school system for the belligerently ignorant.
Susan
Ben C'ramer
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:FRKRg.1798$422.1249@trnddc03...
No belligerence or ignorance in me, you thick Irish cunt. I'm not a yid. Nor
am I a konvert.
Ben C'ramer
"Irate Infidel" <Bomb...@Now.com> wrote in message
>
> "Ben C'ramer" <[REMOVETHIS]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ef58mf$22la$1...@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>
>> "Irate Infidel" <Bomb...@Now.com> wrote in message
>> news:YJGdnQJQy6MUkovY...@comcast.com...
>> > Gee, you don't suppose all the Pallies have to do is give Shalit back
> and
>> > all the bad stuff stops?
>>
>> Do you really think so? If so, you're a bigger fool than I originally
>> gave
>> you credit for.
>
> Ben, you foolish muzzie-sucker: the pallies grabbed the guy, Israel wants
> him back, all the pallies have to do is give him back. Problem solved.
I believe part of the trade off is for the stinky yids to give the HAMAS
Parliamentarians their freedom. Over to you.
You're not at all bright, are you.
akl...@attbi.com
peace.seeker.27 wrote:
> Gaza's darkness
> By Gideon Levy
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/757768.html
>
> Gaza has been reoccupied. The world must know this and Israelis must
> know it, too. It is in its worst condition, ever. Since the abduction
> of Gilad Shalit, and more so since the outbreak of the Lebanon war, the
> Israel Defense Forces has been rampaging through Gaza - there's no
> other word to describe it - killing and demolishing, bombing and
> shelling, indiscriminately.
>
> even on the agenda. Nobody asks why it is being done and who decided to
> do it. But under the cover of the darkness of the Lebanon war, the IDF
> returned to its old practices in Gaza as if there had been no
> disengagement.
All the Pallies have to do is let Shalit go. That's all, just let him
go.
Why is that so hard for the ignorant savages of Islam to understand?
akl...@attbi.com
Ben C'ramer wrote:
> No belligerence or ignorance in me, you thick Irish cunt. I'm not a yid. Nor
> am I a konvert.
Not too good at spelling either, but then again, words and concepts
have a way of slipping right by you ...
Carl
It does seem like a logical way out of this dire situation, doesn't it?
Just a footnote: while we are on the same philosophical side, I don't
support the "ignorant savages" part. But I do support the rhetorical
question.
fla...@verizon.net
On 25-Sep-2006, "Carl" <crot...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> > All the Pallies have to do is let Shalit go. That's all, just let him
> > go.
> >
> > Why is that so hard for the ignorant savages of Islam to understand?
>
> It does seem like a logical way out of this dire situation, doesn't it?
>
> Just a footnote: while we are on the same philosophical side, I don't
> support the "ignorant savages" part. But I do support the rhetorical
> question.
I have to say that I read it as a subset remark: as in, "the ignorant
savages - as opposed to the decent intellegint ones."
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 25-Sep-2006, akl...@attbi.com wrote:
As well as honesty, decency & self-awareness.
But he does get hypocrisy & projectionism down pat.
Susan
Irate Infidel
You're right. Young Ben is the product of western culture, and (unlike
Islam) everything possible was been done to expose him to the wider world
around us. Unfortunately, the seeds of enlightenment obviously fell on a
blasted, sere, and rocky ground
Irate Infidel
HAMAS is running around scot free, you foolish grub. They just can't
govern. All they can do is hate.
Carl
I see. I didn't read it that way but see that it can be. I'm always a little
wary of applying labels to any group because they can be open to
misinterpretation as a generalization as the way I first saw it. Thanks for
showing me another point of view.
fla...@verizon.net
Yes, I knew you were worried, by the way you responded.
Now, I could be wrong, but I like to be sure before I say
someone's a jerk :-)
Susan