Israel demands law of war be revised to allow massacres of defenseless populations
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Israel demands law of war be revised to allow massacres of defenseless
populations
Israel wants law of war changed after damning UN Gaza report
10.20.2009 | Yahoo News
JERUSALEM (AFP) – Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
instructed his government on Tuesday to draw up proposals to amend the
international laws of war after a damning UN report on its war in
Gaza.
The security cabinet did not, however, discuss calls made by ministers
for an internal investigation into the 22-day offensive at the turn of
the year that killed some 1,400 Palestinians and 13 Israelis, an
official told AFP.
“The prime minister instructed the relevant government bodies to
examine a worldwide campaign to amend the international laws of war to
adapt them to the spread of global terrorism,” his office said in a
statement.
Israel was dealt a heavy diplomatic blow with the adoption by the UN
Human Rights Council of the report that accused both Israel and the
Hamas rulers of the Gaza Strip of war crimes.
Israel’s closest allies, the United States, Britain and France urged
it to investigate war crime allegations raised by the fact-finding
missions headed by Richard Goldstone, a former international war
crimes prosecutor.
Defence Minister Ehud Barak backed Netanyahu’s call for a diplomatic
campaign, saying that Israel should propose changes in the
international laws of war “in order to facilitate the war on
terrorism,” an official quoted him as saying.
“It is in the interest of anyone fighting terrorism. We must give the
IDF (Israeli army) the full backing to have the freedom of action,”
Barak said.
Netanyahu dismissed the Goldstone report on the Gaza war and vowed
that Israel would not give up its right of self-defence.
“We are struggling to delegitimise the ongoing attempts to
delegitimise Israel… We must persistently fight this lie, which is
being spread by the Goldstone report,” Netanyahu was quoted as saying.
“I want to make it clear: no one will weaken our ability and right to
defend our children, citizens and communities.”
Goldstone, the respected South African jurist who led the UN fact-
finding team, recommended that the conclusions of the report be
forwarded to the prosecutor at the International Criminal Court at The
Hague if the two sides fail to conduct credible investigations into
the conflict within six months.
Israel has slammed it as a “diplomatic farce” and warned that it
risked sinking the stalled Middle East peace process.
Goldstone, who has faced a storm of personal attacks inside Israel
since the report’s publication, dismissed the argument and urged the
Jewish state to comply with the recommendation to investigate the war.
“It’s a shallow, utterly false allegation,” Goldstone said during a
meeting with a group of rabbis in the United States, remarks aired on
Monday by Israeli public radio.
“What peace process are they talking about? There isn’t one. The
Israeli foreign minister doesn’t want one,” Goldstone said, referring
to ultra-nationalist Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman.
Count 1
�What peace process are they talking about? There isn�t one. The
Israeli foreign minister doesn�t want one,� Goldstone said, referring
to ultra-nationalist Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman.
Just another example of Goldstone focusing his criticism solely on Israel.
It's Hamas who doesn't want a 'peace process'. Here's a few of their more
recent statements on the topic...
�In a speech in Damascus, Hamas leader Khaled Meshal on Sunday played down
talk of potential compromise and said the Arab states should renew their
demands for the �liberation� of Palestinian land �from the sea to the river.��
� Washington Post, October 12, 2009.
�[Ismail] Haniyya said that Hamas will never recognize Israel and �will
remain steadfast, protecting the blood of the martyrs... We vow before God,
we vow to you, we vow to the martyrs, the detainees and their families, we
will remain steadfast,� Haniyya stated, �The resistance will prevail until
liberating the land, until liberating Jerusalem.�� � IMEMC News, August 14,
2009.
�Mr. Abbas said Israel's position could lead to more conflict. �Although we
have chosen peace,� he said,�we reserve the right to return to armed
resistance.�� � VOANews, August 8, 2009.
�Fatah has never recognized Israel's right to exist and it has no intention
of ever doing so, a veteran senior leader of the Western-backed faction
said.... Rafik Natsheh, member of the Fatah Central Committee who also
serves as chairman of the faction's disciplinary �court,� is the second
senior official in recent months to make similar statements regarding
Israel.� � Jerusalem Post, July 23, 2009.
��The visit has not led to a significant change. Hamas finds the conditions
unacceptable," [Ahmed Youssef, the deputy Hamas foreign minister] said.
�Recognizing Israel is completely unacceptable.� According to Hamas
ideology, there is no room for a Jewish state in an Islamic Middle East. The
militant group has sent dozens of suicide bombers into Israel, killing
hundreds.� � Washington Post, June 17, 2009.
�Hamas spokesperson, Fawzi Barhoum, stated that Abbas� term in office had
already expired; therefore he cannot sign an agreement with any country,
including understandings with the United States and Israel.� � IMEMC, May
26, 2009.
�Khaled Meshal, who lives in Syria, called a two-state solution unacceptable
because Hamas cannot envision living with Israel in peace and security.� �
United Press International, Inc., May 9, 2009.
�[Khaled Meshal] repeated that he would not recognize Israel, saying to
fellow Arab leaders, �There is only one enemy in the region, and that is
Israel.�� � New York Times, May 4, 2009.
��I say this clearly: I do not accept the Jewish State, call it what you
will,� [Mahmoud Abbas] said at a preliminary conference of the Palestinian
Youth Parliament in Ramallah. At the end of the conference, Abbas was
presented with a large framed map of �Palestine,� covering the entire area
of Israel.� � Palestinian Media Watch, April 28, 2009.
�Former Fatah security commander Muhammad Dahlan on Tuesday called on Hamas
not to recognize Israel's right to exist, pointing out that Fatah had never
recognized it.� � Jerusalem Post, March 17, 2009.
�Hamas rejected a call by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for the
Islamic group to recognize the state of Israel, and said her request was
unacceptable to the Palestinians.� �Jerusalem Post, February 28, 2009.
�Gaza is not our goal....The liberation of all of Palestine, from the river
to the sea, God willing, will be achieved.� � Hamas leader Ismail Radwan,
AP, January 20, 2009.
DoD
"Count 1" <omnipi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Mr. Abbas said Israel's position could lead to more conflict. 'Although
> we have chosen peace,' he said,'we reserve the right to return to armed
> resistance.'" - VOANews, August 8, 2009.
This one is funny to me... When have they ever chosen peace?
You know, I was just thinking about arguments between Catholic and
Protestants.... O-C and R Jews, Sunni and Shia Muslims.....I have heard
plenty of disagreements and generally this is what you hear in public....
Catholics... We have the one true teaching with traditions that started back
with the first pope. Henry the 8th and Martin Luther were wrong to try and
change church doctrine.
Protestants... We have modernized the Christian religion.... We took/take
outdated doctrine and bring it up to date. etc. etc...
-------------------
O Jews.... We have the one true version of Judaism. What you have is watered
down version, pick and choose according to what you believe.... not what
Hashem has commanded.
R Jews..... We have updated and made the religion not so rigid. Your
rigidity has caused many of our children to stray and how can that be
helpful to the Jewish family? We are still all Jews.
-------------------------
Sunni Muslims... You shiite men are pigs and infidels and your women are
whores.....
http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/2248.htm
Let's give it up for the religion of peace!!!!!!!
coaste...@yahoo.com
> “What peace process are they talking about? There isn’t one. The
> Israeli foreign minister doesn’t want one,” Goldstone said, referring
> to ultra-nationalist Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman.
> ****
>
> Just another example of Goldstone focusing his criticism solely on Israel.
No, no. You don't get away with that. Goldstone criticized Hamas too--
for the rockets. It's just that he had far more criminal behavior to
work with when he addressed Israeli conduct. It was fish in a barrel,
Ratner. It was pure murder and intimidation through use of American
weapons designed to fight the Soviet Union against helpless civilians
penned into the world's largest and most fetid concentration camp
You also need to test the accuracy of what Goldstone said about
Lieberman. He is absolutely correct in that the Israeli Foreign
Minister rejects the peace process. There will only BE one if the
United States forces the Israeli Administration to participate. Yes,
forces, by making the price of refusing to participate in good faith
and in accord with American interests higher, a lot higher, than
continuing the present policies of territorial aggression, illegal
occupation and ethnic cleansing.
> It's Hamas who doesn't want a 'peace process'. Here's a few of their more
> recent statements on the topic...
>
> “In a speech in Damascus, Hamas leader Khaled Meshal on Sunday played down
> talk of potential compromise and said the Arab states should renew their
> demands for the ‘liberation’ of Palestinian land ‘from the sea to the river.’”
> — Washington Post, October 12, 2009.
What do you expect him to say? His people are at war with an
implacable enemy, mostly of foreign origin, intent on taking most of
the last 22% of their homeland. Do you expect Meshal to say: "What
you've taken is yours and what we have left is yours too is you
insist." Of course he's not going to do that. He's not going to give
away anything prior to sitting down at the table.
> “[Ismail] Haniyya said that Hamas will never recognize Israel and ‘will
> remain steadfast, protecting the blood of the martyrs... We vow before God,
> we vow to you, we vow to the martyrs, the detainees and their families, we
> will remain steadfast,’ Haniyya stated, ‘The resistance will prevail until
> liberating the land, until liberating Jerusalem.’” — IMEMC News, August 14,
> 2009.
Hamas will not be negotiating opposite Israel and the West on behalf
of the Palestinian people and not even on behalf of those in Gaza. In
the end plebecites will sort out the proposals. A part of the
understands will involve winding down the Resistance as Israel winds
down its racist, i.e., fascistic, occupation.
> “Mr. Abbas said Israel's position could lead to more conflict. ‘Although we
> have chosen peace,’ he said,‘we reserve the right to return to armed
> resistance.’” — VOANews, August 8, 2009.
Haha. If Israel continues its refusal to negotiate in good faith---the
Zionist leit motiv for decades---of course the Palestinians will
return to armed conflict. Capitulation is not an alternative for
Palestinian descendants of the people of Israel at the time of Christ.
Palestinians are native to that land and no Jewish experiences among
the Europeans can change that, either legally or morally. Especially
morally. You might as well propose giving it to the Ukrainians.
> “Fatah has never recognized Israel's right to exist and it has no intention
> of ever doing so, a veteran senior leader of the Western-backed faction
> said.... Rafik Natsheh, member of the Fatah Central Committee who also
> serves as chairman of the faction's disciplinary ‘court,’ is the second
> senior official in recent months to make similar statements regarding
> Israel.” — Jerusalem Post, July 23, 2009.
Recognition de facto and de jure of a State of Israel inside clearly
defined boundaries by the assembled parties and international
organizations and relevant great powers is the same thing. If Israel
insists on more we will offer her a defensive alliance. She can take
her choice.
> “‘The visit has not led to a significant change. Hamas finds the conditions
> unacceptable," [Ahmed Youssef, the deputy Hamas foreign minister] said.
> ‘Recognizing Israel is completely unacceptable.’ According to Hamas
> ideology, there is no room for a Jewish state in an Islamic Middle East. The
> militant group has sent dozens of suicide bombers into Israel, killing
> hundreds.” — Washington Post, June 17, 2009.
The Muslim World will settle and stop supporting the few remaining
splinters. The Palestinian people will agree in plebecites. People
will go on with their lives. We'll even bring home our kids fighting
the Wars of 9/11 which remain connected closely with the Resistance to
Israeli aggression. Basta! End it!
>
> “Hamas spokesperson, Fawzi Barhoum, stated that Abbas’ term in office had
> already expired; therefore he cannot sign an agreement with any country,
> including understandings with the United States and Israel.” — IMEMC, May
> 26, 2009.
We'll see to it that his term in office is extended. Simple as that.
This is petty legalism.
>
> “Khaled Meshal, who lives in Syria, called a two-state solution unacceptable
> because Hamas cannot envision living with Israel in peace and security.” —
> United Press International, Inc., May 9, 2009.
Hamas will not be convinced that it is better to fight than to reap
the huge benefits of peace. When the money and the land are on the
table the Palestinian People will make the decisions.
>
> “[Khaled Meshal] repeated that he would not recognize Israel, saying to
> fellow Arab leaders, ‘There is only one enemy in the region, and that is
> Israel.’” — New York Times, May 4, 2009.
If Meshal is recalcitrant he will be pushed aside by his own people.
Or kicked upstairs and pensioned off at the expence of the American
taxpayer.
> “‘I say this clearly: I do not accept the Jewish State, call it what you
> will,’ [Mahmoud Abbas] said at a preliminary conference of the Palestinian
> Youth Parliament in Ramallah. At the end of the conference, Abbas was
> presented with a large framed map of ‘Palestine,’ covering the entire area
> of Israel.” — Palestinian Media Watch, April 28, 2009.
Well, he's right now isn't he. Israel is not today a Jewish State. The
nomenclature needs to change in order to reflect reality.
> “Former Fatah security commander Muhammad Dahlan on Tuesday called on Hamas
> not to recognize Israel's right to exist, pointing out that Fatah had never
> recognized it.” — Jerusalem Post, March 17, 2009.
Ah, yes, "strongman" Dahlan. Men come and go. He needs a golden
parachute so familiar to the residents of the Upper East Side.
> “Hamas rejected a call by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for the
> Islamic group to recognize the state of Israel, and said her request was
> unacceptable to the Palestinians.” —Jerusalem Post, February 28, 2009.
It's ridiculous to expect "recognition" of Israel before negotiations
have decided what Israel is.
>
> “Gaza is not our goal....The liberation of all of Palestine, from the river
> to the sea, God willing, will be achieved.” — Hamas leader Ismail Radwan,
> AP, January 20, 2009.
Tough talk, but just talk. We're not going to feed Israeli fears
forever. We have our own interests.
Count 1
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On Oct 23, 12:37 am, "Count 1" <omnipitus2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> �What peace process are they talking about? There isn�t one. The
> Israeli foreign minister doesn�t want one,� Goldstone said, referring
> to ultra-nationalist Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman.
> ****
>
> Just another example of Goldstone focusing his criticism solely on Israel.
No, no. You don't get away with that. Goldstone criticized Hamas too--
for the rockets. It's just that he had far more criminal behavior to
work with when he addressed Israeli conduct. It was fish in a barrel,
Ratner. It was pure murder and intimidation through use of American
weapons designed to fight the Soviet Union against helpless civilians
penned into the world's largest and most fetid concentration camp
****
In this case the guilty fish were hiding behind the civilian fish. Take a
look at what Col Kemp had to say about the Gaza incursion in a speech he
gave to the UNHRC...
http://www.unwatch.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=bdKKISNqEmG&b=1313923&ct=7536409
****
You also need to test the accuracy of what Goldstone said about
Lieberman. He is absolutely correct in that the Israeli Foreign
Minister rejects the peace process. There will only BE one if the
United States forces the Israeli Administration to participate.
****
And here we see you doing the same thing, placing blame solely on Israel.
No one is defending Lieberman, but you need to include Hamas in the above
statement, who is going to force them to the table?
***
Yes,
forces, by making the price of refusing to participate in good faith
and in accord with American interests higher, a lot higher, than
continuing the present policies of territorial aggression, illegal
occupation and ethnic cleansing.
***
Illegal occupation and ethnic cleansing are just fanatasies on your part,
another example of the rampant demonization you and your ilk engage in to
forward your anti-Israel agenda.
****
> It's Hamas who doesn't want a 'peace process'. Here's a few of their more
> recent statements on the topic...
>
> �In a speech in Damascus, Hamas leader Khaled Meshal on Sunday played down
> talk of potential compromise and said the Arab states should renew their
> demands for the �liberation� of Palestinian land �from the sea to the
> river.��
> � Washington Post, October 12, 2009.
What do you expect him to say?
****
"We recognize Israel's right to exist, we recognize and will adhere to
previous peace deals with Israel, and we will begin negotiating in good
faith for a permanent, final status, deal."
Why do you think he won't? (Remember, they came to power long before anyone
heard of Lieberman.)
****
His people are at war with an
implacable enemy, mostly of foreign origin, intent on taking most of
the last 22% of their homeland.
****
Another statement offered without proof.
****
Do you expect Meshal to say: "What
you've taken is yours and what we have left is yours too is you
insist." Of course he's not going to do that. He's not going to give
away anything prior to sitting down at the table.
****
Good thing no one is asking him to do that. All anyone is asking him to do,
like Clinton's example below, is to work for peace with Israel. But as you
can see he is completely uninterested in peace, and instead wants to
destroy.
****
> �[Ismail] Haniyya said that Hamas will never recognize Israel and �will
> remain steadfast, protecting the blood of the martyrs... We vow before
> God,
> we vow to you, we vow to the martyrs, the detainees and their families, we
> will remain steadfast,� Haniyya stated, �The resistance will prevail until
> liberating the land, until liberating Jerusalem.�� � IMEMC News, August
> 14,
> 2009.
Hamas will not be negotiating opposite Israel and the West on behalf
of the Palestinian people and not even on behalf of those in Gaza.
*****
I know. Hamas is uninterested in a peace deal, they want a genocide. But
Goldstone reserves most of his condemnation for Israel and Lieberman. You
go even farther and reserve all condemnation for Israel then try to
whitewash Hamas' obvious belligerence.
It was bed enough when you were just a Palestinian propagandist, now you're
focusing on being one for Hamas?
****
> �Mr. Abbas said Israel's position could lead to more conflict. �Although
> we
> have chosen peace,� he said,�we reserve the right to return to armed
> resistance.�� � VOANews, August 8, 2009.
Haha. If Israel continues its refusal to negotiate in good faith---the
Zionist leit motiv for decades---of course the Palestinians will
return to armed conflict.
****
But that's a complete lie. Israel has always signalled it wants to negotiate
in good faith. How else do you suppose they came to give back the vast
majority of territory captured in 1967? "Land for Peace" has been the
ideology for decades. You desperately need to read Dennis Ross's book.
****
> ��The visit has not led to a significant change. Hamas finds the
> conditions
> unacceptable," [Ahmed Youssef, the deputy Hamas foreign minister] said.
> �Recognizing Israel is completely unacceptable.� According to Hamas
> ideology, there is no room for a Jewish state in an Islamic Middle East.
> The
> militant group has sent dozens of suicide bombers into Israel, killing
> hundreds.� � Washington Post, June 17, 2009.
The Muslim World will settle and stop supporting the few remaining
splinters. The Palestinian people will agree in plebecites. People
will go on with their lives. We'll even bring home our kids fighting
the Wars of 9/11 which remain connected closely with the Resistance to
Israeli aggression. Basta! End it!
*****
Focus Hunter, focus. Here we have a clear statement from Hamas that
recognition of Israel is unacceptable. Yet you pretend the only intractable
party is Israel, even though all of history proves you wrong. No one is
talking about the 'muslim world' (a bizarre statement) and Hamas's quote
doesn't mention the 'muslim world'.
*****
> �Hamas spokesperson, Fawzi Barhoum, stated that Abbas� term in office had
> already expired; therefore he cannot sign an agreement with any country,
> including understandings with the United States and Israel.� � IMEMC, May
> 26, 2009.
We'll see to it that his term in office is extended. Simple as that.
This is petty legalism.
****
It is indicative of the difference's found in Fatah's and Hamas's
ideologies.
****
> �Khaled Meshal, who lives in Syria, called a two-state solution
> unacceptable
> because Hamas cannot envision living with Israel in peace and security.� �
> United Press International, Inc., May 9, 2009.
Hamas will not be convinced that it is better to fight than to reap
the huge benefits of peace.
****
I think I'm beginning to see a light bulb go on above your head......
Now if you could just stop with the lies about ethnic cleansing and a
nonexistent occupation in Gaza.
****
> �[Khaled Meshal] repeated that he would not recognize Israel, saying to
> fellow Arab leaders, �There is only one enemy in the region, and that is
> Israel.�� � New York Times, May 4, 2009.
If Meshal is recalcitrant he will be pushed aside by his own people.
****
But you don't deny that Hamas isn't interested in a peace deal. "If" he is
recalcitrant? How much more proof do you need? Since he is recalcitrant,
when will 'his people' push him aside?
****
> ��I say this clearly: I do not accept the Jewish State, call it what you
> will,� [Mahmoud Abbas] said at a preliminary conference of the Palestinian
> Youth Parliament in Ramallah. At the end of the conference, Abbas was
> presented with a large framed map of �Palestine,� covering the entire area
> of Israel.� � Palestinian Media Watch, April 28, 2009.
Well, he's right now isn't he. Israel is not today a Jewish State. The
nomenclature needs to change in order to reflect reality.
****
"A" jewish state? The statement was "the" jewish state. He was saying "I do
not accept Israel..."
****
> �Former Fatah security commander Muhammad Dahlan on Tuesday called on
> Hamas
> not to recognize Israel's right to exist, pointing out that Fatah had
> never
> recognized it.� � Jerusalem Post, March 17, 2009.
Ah, yes, "strongman" Dahlan. Men come and go. He needs a golden
parachute so familiar to the residents of the Upper East Side.
****
Ah, yes, Lieberman... Men come and go. I'll ignore the dig at American Jews,
but it doesn't help your claims of not being an anti-semite.
****
> �Hamas rejected a call by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for the
> Islamic group to recognize the state of Israel, and said her request was
> unacceptable to the Palestinians.� �Jerusalem Post, February 28, 2009.
It's ridiculous to expect "recognition" of Israel before negotiations
have decided what Israel is.
****
LOLOL What other country on the face of the planet needs to wait for
negotiations with their enemies before it is decided if they are a country
or not? Israel exists Hunter, time to get up to speed. Tell Hamas the same
thing.
****
> �Gaza is not our goal....The liberation of all of Palestine, from the
> river
> to the sea, God willing, will be achieved.� � Hamas leader Ismail Radwan,
> AP, January 20, 2009.
Tough talk, but just talk.
*****
And you could have said the same thing about Lieberman, but you didn't. My
point remains, it is Hamas and not Israel who is uninterested in peace and
it is Hamas and not Israel who are the aggressors in the conflict. Like the
old saying goes; "If Palestinians laid down their guns there would be peace,
if Israel laid down hers, there would be no more Israel."
Aviroce
Israel is undefined. Where is Israel? How could anyone recognize
what is undefined?
Peace is not surrender. To Israelis, peace is an absolute surrender
of the Palestinians to the Israeli apartheid government. That will
never happen.
Peace to the Palestinians means 1. Establishment of a Palestinian
State on whole West Bank, whole East Jerusalem and whole Gaza with
easements from 1948 Israel supported by a Mutual Non-Aggression Treaty
and Uniformization if Criminal Code to prevent discrimination. 2.
Return of all Palestinians and their descendants to their homes in
Palestine at their request only. 3. Compensation given to the
Palestinians who have been victims of imperialism and Zionism.
These steps are well-defined. Israel is undefined. I call unto the
Palestinians never to recognize an undefined entity as it is merely
signing a blank check.
On Oct 23, 12:37 am, "Count 1" <omnipitus2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> “What peace process are they talking about? There isn’t one. The
partisan
> Peace between Palestinians and Israelis
> Israel is undefined. Where is Israel? How could anyone recognize
> what is undefined?
>
> Peace is not surrender. To Israelis, peace is an absolute surrender
> of the Palestinians to the Israeli apartheid government. That will
> never happen.
>
> Peace to the Palestinians means 1. Establishment of a Palestinian
> State on whole West Bank, whole East Jerusalem and whole Gaza with
> easements from 1948 Israel supported by a Mutual Non-Aggression Treaty
> and Uniformization if Criminal Code to prevent discrimination. 2.
> Return of all Palestinians and their descendants to their homes in
> Palestine at their request only. 3. Compensation given to the
> Palestinians who have been victims of imperialism and Zionism.
> These steps are well-defined. Israel is undefined. I call unto the
> Palestinians never to recognize an undefined entity as it is merely
> signing a blank check.
TRANSLATION: THE JEWS SOULD BE DESROYED BY ANY MEANS BUT WE AS THE
ARABS ARE NOT UP TO ANYTHING EXCEPT: KILLING THE INNOCENT, FUCKING
DOMESTIC ANIMALS, SMELL SHIT, HATE AND STABBIBING WOMEN, ESTABLISH
PISLAM WHEREEVER POSSIBLEetc SO THE SOLUTION FOR THE FREE WORLD IS TO
REMOVE THIS CANCER CALLED ARABISM!
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Aviroce
course you have your own intent and that is understandable. Whether
you like it or not Palestine must be created even if Israel is
destroyed. Here is what I wrote so that you can understand it, pass
it to your gangs, and be the first to tell your damned people,
"PALESTINE IS COMING." It will come whether your eyes are open or
shut, you like it or you don't, you live or die. You take console in
your filthy language and pervert behavior. Palestine is Coming.
Palestine is Coming. Here I go again in case someone else did not
read what I wrote:
Peace between Palestinians and Israelis
Israel is undefined. Where is Israel? How could anyone recognize
what is undefined?
Peace is not surrender. To Israelis, peace is an absolute surrender
of the Palestinians to the Israeli apartheid government. That will
never happen.
Peace to the Palestinians means 1. Establishment of a Palestinian
State on whole West Bank, whole East Jerusalem and whole Gaza with
easements from 1948 Israel supported by a Mutual Non-Aggression
Treaty
and Uniformization if Criminal Code to prevent discrimination. 2.
Return of all Palestinians and their descendants to their homes in
Palestine at their request only. 3. Compensation given to the
Palestinians who have been victims of imperialism and Zionism.
These steps are well-defined. Israel is undefined. I call unto the
Palestinians never to recognize an undefined entity as it is merely
signing a blank check.
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Herman Rubin
DoD <danski...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have no problem with a multitude of religions. Becoming
a "born again Christian" certainly helped George W. Bush,
although it would be abhorrent for me.
Also, a religion of peace will be totally unsuccessful,
unless there are enough warriors to protect its adherents.
The Roman saying is, "To have peace, prepare for war."
What is the problem is that the adherents of one
religion, or even a sect, believe that they have the
right to impose that religion on others. What is
needed is to forbid this, and I suggest that citing
one's religion for any legislative purpose result in
at least temporary loss of citizenship. Israel could
start this by removing its religious restriction on
its Jewish citizens; the so-called "Christian" nations
by abandoning their restrictions on Sundays and religious
holidays. But the worst at this time is shaaria.
--
This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
hru...@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558
Aviroce
IT WENT TO THE SUPREME COURT.
You proposed an interesting point of view, not to have legislation or
government siding with one religion. Of course, you either do not
understand what "religious associations" are or subversively ignore
such associations to bring forward "Poison in the Broth." At the very
end, you manage to attack Muslims as the worst forgetting about the
Israeli tyranny as a state of Apartheid.. Only if Americans would
know that Jews advocate the killing of "gentiles" and "Establishing a
Kingdom of Zion where non-Jews are slaves" and practicing "Intercourse
with animals as a high honor to marry a rabbi" and "intercourse with
children age three, boys and girls" and "eating of penis skin
cannibalistically" and after all "Stealing targeted organs from
Palesinian youth" then Americans will realize the "Real Monster" are
Jewish "USA citizens." You fit the score.
On Oct 25, 8:27 pm, hru...@odds.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) wrote:
> In article <hbrde5$ra...@news.eternal-september.org>,
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> DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >"Count 1" <omnipitus2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> hru...@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558- Hide quoted text -
partisan
> FUNNY MAN. I HAD A FIGHT WITH ONE OF YOUR FAMILY JUDGES AT ONE TIME.
> IT WENT TO THE SUPREME COURT.
>
> You proposed an interesting point of view, not to have legislation or
> government siding with one religion. Of course, you either do not
> understand what "religious associations" are or subversively ignore
> such associations to bring forward "Poison in the Broth." At the very
> end, you manage to attack Muslims as the worst forgetting about the
> Israeli tyranny as a state of Apartheid..
LET SEE WHO ATTACK MUZZIES FROM THE VERY FRESH NEWS: Baghdad Bombings
Kill 155, Wound 500
OHHHH YESSSSSSSS THE ARABS KILL THE ARABS THE MUSLIM KILL THE MUSLIM!
SURPRISE? NOT REALY
THE ARABS ARE BORN TO KILL SO TO SHOOT'EM WHERE THEY ARE IS A GOOD
DEED!
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Aviroce
Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims must kill those who are trying to
steal their land and resources and deprive the indigenous population
the benefits of their land. You deserve killing. You are the enemy.
You should be killed.
What you are telling me is Arab killing Arab. That is sad. But the
enemy has poisoned the Arab population and those traitors or abettors
should be also killed, Any Palestinian cooperating with the the
Israeli should be killed because he/she would be exposing their own to
be killed. Those abettors are the enemy of the people and should be
killed along with the Jews.
I wish the Jews were the 155 killed. That would be a good
celebration. But Iraqis killed? It breaks my heart. Nevertheless
they should have been killed as abettors.
drahcir
> Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims must kill those who are trying to
> steal their land and resources and deprive the indigenous population
> the benefits of their land. You deserve killing. You are the enemy.
> You should be killed.
>
> What you are telling me is Arab killing Arab. That is sad. But the
> enemy has poisoned the Arab population and those traitors or abettors
> should be also killed, Any Palestinian cooperating with the the
> Israeli should be killed because he/she would be exposing their own to
> be killed. Those abettors are the enemy of the people and should be
> killed along with the Jews.
What are you babbling about? Most of the tens of thousands of muslims
killed by muslims in the past few years are women and children in
iraq, pakistan, and afghanistan. Man, that koran has rotted your
brain.
Aviroce
On Oct 26, 9:39 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 26, 8:13 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims must kill those who are trying to
> > steal their land and resources and deprive the indigenous population
> > the benefits of their land. You deserve killing. You are the enemy.
> > You should be killed.
>
> > What you are telling me is Arab killing Arab. That is sad. But the
> > enemy has poisoned the Arab population and those traitors or abettors
> > should be also killed, Any Palestinian cooperating with the the
> > Israeli should be killed because he/she would be exposing their own to
> > be killed. Those abettors are the enemy of the people and should be
> > killed along with the Jews.
>
> What are you babbling about? Most of the tens of thousands of muslims
> killed by muslims in the past few years are women and children in
> iraq, pakistan, and afghanistan. Man, that koran has rotted your
> brain.
THE KORAN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE KILLING OF MUSLIMS BY MUSLIMS,
PALESTINIANS BY PALESTINIANS AND ARABS BY ARABS. THE KORAN HAS
NOTHING TO DO WITH JEWS KILLING PALESTINIANS AND JEWS KILLING ARABS
AND JEWS KILLING MUSLIMS. IT IS THE PEOPLE PROBLEM.
TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION WATCH THE TWILIGHT ZONE EPISODE
WHEN THE GREATEST OF FRIENDSHIPS DISSOLVES WHEN PEOPLE'S SAFETY IS PUT
ON THE STAKE. A BELOVED COUNTRY DOCTOR HAD A SHELTER MADE FOR THREE
PEOPLE, HIS FAMILY. WHEN AN ANNOUNCEMENT WAS MADE THAT ALL THE PEOPLE
SHOULD TAKE SHELTER BECAUSE OF POSSIBLE BOMBING, THE DOCTOR AND HIS
FAMILY WENT INTO THEIR BUILT SHELTER. THE OTHER CITIZENS HAD NO
SHELTERS SO THEY ALL CONVERGED ON THE DOCTOR TO TAKE SHELTER IN HIS
ONLY THREE-PEOPLE SHELTER. WHEN THE DOCTOR REFUSED TO OPEN IT THEY
GOT A TREE STUMP TO BREAK IT. SOON AN ANNOUCEMENT CAME THAT THERE WAS
NO POSSIBLE BOMBING, THE "FRIENDS, PATIENTS" ONLY EXPRESSED REGRET.
THINK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF PALESTINIANS, ARABS AND MUSLIMS.
Aviroce
WHO ARE CELEBRATING THE HATERED THEY EMBEDDED AMONG PALESTINIANS,
ARABS AND MUSLIMS. "WHEN YOU MAKE THE FLIES FIGHT AMONG THEMSELVES
YOU GUARANTEE SURVIVAL." SO IT IS A MATTER OF HELPING PALESTINIANS,
ARABS AND MUSLIMS REALIZE ISRAEL AND JEWS IN GENERAL ARE THE ENEMY AND
THEY SHOULD NOT COOPERATE WITH ISRAEL AND JEWS AGAINST THEIR OWN. BUT
THE BAITS AND INCENTIVES ARE SO STRONG THAT SOME OF THEM HAVE TAKEN TO
THEM AND LOST THEIR PERSPECTIVE. ISRAEL IS THE ENEMY. ZIONISM IS THE
ENEMY. IMPERIALISM IS THE ENEMY. ISRAEL, ZIONISM, IMPERIALISM AND
NAZISM TOGETHER WITH APARTHEID ARE THE REAL ENEMIES OF PALESTINIANS,
ARABS AND MUSLIMS. SO PALESTINIANS, ARABS AND MUSLIMS SHOULD UNITE TO
KILL THEIR ENEMY.
On Oct 23, 3:05 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
DoD
"Aviroce" <dudar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5b73fd52-420f-4bea...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
ICONOCLAST, YOU HAVE MADE AN IMPRESSIVE ANSWER TO RIDICULOUS
You are a ridiculous asslifter..... Abby..
Aviroce
On Oct 27, 1:59 am, "DoD" <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
DoD
Dodo bird, is your name Abby?
You are certainly a ridiculous asslifter....
Aviroce
time, dodo bird? Go to Hell, again dodo bird.
On Oct 27, 2:05 am, "DoD" <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
DoD
>Dodo bird, dodo bird. Where are you? Are you living >on borrowed time,
>dodo bird? Go to Hell, again dodo >bird.
I am not living on borrowed time, but you are right, we are living on
borrowed time... Thank you liberal suck ups to these asslifters....
<sigh>
Aviroce
expired. You have been dead for centuries and you come back again to
find nothing fits your previous living. You are an outcast. You may
as well die back again.
On Oct 27, 2:12 am, "DoD" <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
DoD
I am onto you. I enoy my life and it is normal. Dodo bird your time
expired. You have been dead for centuries and you come back again to
find nothing fits your previous living. You are an outcast. You may
as well die back again.
Pretty much.... But it ain't my fault... If it were up to me, I would have
vaporized you asslifters in the 80s.... Thanks again you liberal dipshits...
Aviroce
Israel is undefined. Where is Israel? How could anyone recognize
what is undefined?
Peace is not surrender. To Israelis, peace is an absolute surrender
of the Palestinians to the Israeli apartheid government. That will
never happen.
Peace to the Palestinians means 1. Establishment of a Palestinian
State on whole West Bank, whole East Jerusalem and whole Gaza with
easements from 1948 Israel supported by a Mutual Non-Aggression
Treaty
and Uniformization if Criminal Code to prevent discrimination. 2.
Return of all Palestinians and their descendants to their homes in
Palestine at their request only. 3. Compensation given to the
Palestinians who have been victims of imperialism and Zionism.
These steps are well-defined. Israel is undefined. I call unto the
Palestinians never to recognize an undefined entity as it is merely
signing a blank check.
On Oct 27, 2:27 am, "DoD" <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
drahcir
> On Oct 26, 9:39 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 26, 8:13 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims must kill those who are trying to
> > > steal their land and resources and deprive the indigenous population
> > > the benefits of their land. You deserve killing. You are the enemy.
> > > You should be killed.
>
> > > What you are telling me is Arab killing Arab. That is sad. But the
> > > enemy has poisoned the Arab population and those traitors or abettors
> > > should be also killed, Any Palestinian cooperating with the the
> > > Israeli should be killed because he/she would be exposing their own to
> > > be killed. Those abettors are the enemy of the people and should be
> > > killed along with the Jews.
>
> > What are you babbling about? Most of the tens of thousands of muslims
> > killed by muslims in the past few years are women and children in
> > iraq, pakistan, and afghanistan. Man, that koran has rotted your
> > brain.
>
> THE KORAN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE KILLING OF MUSLIMS BY MUSLIMS,
> PALESTINIANS BY PALESTINIANS AND ARABS BY ARABS.
if you weren't driven crazy by the koran, you'd have understood that I
didn't say anything about the koran except that it has rotted your
brain. You have proven my point.
THE KORAN HAS
> NOTHING TO DO WITH JEWS KILLING PALESTINIANS AND JEWS KILLING ARABS
> AND JEWS KILLING MUSLIMS. IT IS THE PEOPLE PROBLEM.
You are out of your mind, so can't perceive even the most obvious
things. The single reason muslims are by and large a useless element
of humanity, contributing practically nothing of benefit to the world
compared with their representation in the population, and the reason
they alone are capable of the most horrendous acts of atrocity and
savagery, is the koran.
>
> TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION WATCH THE TWILIGHT ZONE EPISODE
> WHEN THE GREATEST OF FRIENDSHIPS DISSOLVES WHEN PEOPLE'S SAFETY IS PUT
> ON THE STAKE. A BELOVED COUNTRY DOCTOR HAD A SHELTER MADE FOR THREE
> PEOPLE, HIS FAMILY. WHEN AN ANNOUNCEMENT WAS MADE THAT ALL THE PEOPLE
> SHOULD TAKE SHELTER BECAUSE OF POSSIBLE BOMBING, THE DOCTOR AND HIS
> FAMILY WENT INTO THEIR BUILT SHELTER. THE OTHER CITIZENS HAD NO
> SHELTERS SO THEY ALL CONVERGED ON THE DOCTOR TO TAKE SHELTER IN HIS
> ONLY THREE-PEOPLE SHELTER. WHEN THE DOCTOR REFUSED TO OPEN IT THEY
> GOT A TREE STUMP TO BREAK IT. SOON AN ANNOUCEMENT CAME THAT THERE WAS
> NO POSSIBLE BOMBING, THE "FRIENDS, PATIENTS" ONLY EXPRESSED REGRET.
> THINK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF PALESTINIANS, ARABS AND MUSLIMS.
Sorry, but I prefer books and other informative media to the Twilight
Zone for my education. I can understand why you would see things
differently.
Before I go, in case no one has ever mentioned it, your use of all
capitals tends to make your posts look as well as sound crazy. Just
thought you'd like to know, "Professor"...
Aviroce
Look at some of the crimes of the "Unilateral" state of Israel. Look
how they kill men, women and children. I don't care how it could be
done, Israel must be destroyed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly4QaKoP_o8
partisan
THE WORLD SHOUD BE THE ARAB WORLD!
Aviroce
post. Watch it. With your bloodthirsty upbringging you would enjoy
the little children that are blooded or killed:
Look at some of the crimes of the "Unilateral" state of Israel. Look
how they kill men, women and children. I don't care how it could be
done, Israel must be destroyed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly4QaKoP_o8
Israel is not the world and the world is not doing to the defenseless
Palestinian population in Israeli Concentration Camps what the
Israelis are doing to them. Only the atrocious savage Jews are doing
that. And lately I learned that these atrocious savages have been
targetting Palestinian youth due to medical records where they kill
the right yourth and steal his/her vital organs. Savages. Savages.
Savages.
drahcir
> Look at some of the crimes of the "Unilateral" state of Israel.
The very beginning of the video says that aztmon is a poet. Could you
please refer me to some of his poetry?
Look
> how they kill men, women and children.
You don't give a shit about killing. If you did, you'd be complaining
about muslims bombing muslims in markets, designed to kill as many
women and children as possible. You couldn't care less about killing,
unless it's killing jews. Then you, in your koran-inspired madness,
get all glassy-eyed and start to drool. Eh, "professor"?
I don't care how it could be
> done, Israel must be destroyed.
You muslims are terrific at destroying. It's creating you're not so
hot at.
Aviroce
I do not speak corrupted Arabic called Hebrew. Obviously, aztmon is
against unilateral Israel, I call it Apartheid and Tyrannical Israel.
The first rule of Islam is never to kill that Allah forbids except
when it is right. Obviously, these people are killing their foreign
abettors and along with that many innocent people. "War is Hell" and
enemies of Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims are formidable.
Again I go back to my little bible on war, "Never pen your enemy
against the wall. Always give him an exit." (Tzun Tsu) Obviously in
a protractible war, Hell is everywhere.
drahcir
> Allah forbids killing without cause.
Allah forbids nothing and permits nothing. Allah is made-up arab
garbage.
>
> I do not speak corrupted Arabic called Hebrew.
LOL! I see you're a linguist as well as a "professor"!
Obviously, aztmon is
> against unilateral Israel, I call it
That's because you don't comprehend the definition of "unilateral". I
should have thought a "professor" would understand everyday words.
Apartheid and Tyrannical Israel.
> The first rule of Islam is never to kill that Allah forbids except
> when it is right. Obviously, these people are killing their foreign
> abettors and along with that many innocent people.
That's not obvious AT ALL, except to a sick creature like you. You
support the bombing of markets, killing women and children. You are
living proof of the sickness that is called "islam". By the way,
"professor", terrorism does not rely on killing "foreign abettors" -
its target is innocents, its motive is creating fear. In addition to
being crazy, you are fucking stupid.
"War is Hell" and
> enemies of Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims are formidable.
You are babbling, "professor". This was muslims bombing muslims
because they don't know whom else to bomb.
> Again I go back to my little bible on war, "Never pen your enemy
> against the wall. Always give him an exit." (Tzun Tsu) Obviously in
> a protractible war, Hell is everywhere.
You are even more sick than I had imagined, "professor".
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>
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Aviroce
Nature, Natural Processes, Society and Social Laws. In either case,
the wish and law are true.
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drahcir
your eyes on this group.
Aviroce
1000 hits every single instant per week, this means millions of hits
per actual week to maintain the number.
When you or your cohorts write all this nonsense about Palestinians,
Arabs or Muslims, people can evaluate for themselves.
drahcir
> Son of a bitch, millions read those articles. When you think about
> 1000 hits every single instant per week, this means millions of hits
> per actual week to maintain the number.
Precisely why you may want to visit a shrink before posting, Make it a
Jewish one - they're the best.
Here's what Aviroce thinks about the murder of Muslim women and
children:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.israel/msg/7b185d8517026b26
> You don't give a shit about killing. If you did, you'd be complaining
> about muslims bombing muslims in markets, designed to kill as many
> women and children as possible. You couldn't care less about killing,
> unless it's killing jews. Then you, in your koran-inspired madness,
> get all glassy-eyed and start to drool. Eh, "professor"?
The first rule of Islam is never to kill that Allah forbids except
when it is right. Obviously, these people are killing their foreign
abettors and along with that many innocent people.
********
You heard it here first, folks!
>
> When you or your cohorts write all this nonsense about Palestinians,
> Arabs or Muslims, people can evaluate for themselves.
Yup. Ya got that right, "professor".
Aviroce
how they kill men, women and children. I don't care how it could be
done, Israel must be destroyed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly4QaKoP_o8
On Oct 28, 1:43 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
Aviroce
how they kill men, women and children. I don't care how it could be
done, Israel must be destroyed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly4QaKoP_o8
> > > your eyes on this group.- Hide quoted text -
drahcir
> Look at some of the crimes of the "Unilateral" state of Israel. Look
> how they kill men, women and children. I don't care how it could be
> done, Israel must be destroyed.
Aviroce, you have stated publicly that you support the killing of
Muslim women and children. Muslims are killing them each and every day
- just a few days ago 200 were killed in Pakistan by a bomb - a market
was targeted. You have your idiotic shtick about Israel, but you
really don't care about Muslim civilians, as proven here:
drahcir
> how they kill men, women and children. I don't care how it could be
> done, Israel must be destroyed.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly4QaKoP_o8
Avi wants to watch silly movies. The REAL crimes committed against
Muslim women and children, those documented in the news nearly every
day, he really doesn't care about. Want proof? OK, here it is:
> >http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.israel/msg/7b185d8517026b26
>
> > > You don't give a shit about killing. If you did, you'd be complaining
> > > about muslims bombing muslims in markets, designed to kill as many
> > > women and children as possible. You couldn't care less about killing,
> > > unless it's killing jews. Then you, in your koran-inspired madness,
> > > get all glassy-eyed and start to drool. Eh, "professor"?
>
> > The first rule of Islam is never to kill that Allah forbids except
> > when it is right. Obviously, these people are killing their foreign
> > abettors and along with that many innocent people.
>
> > ********
>
> > You heard it here first, folks!
>
>
Voice of Ignorance
an Arab or a Muslim killing a Muslim. But Zionism and Imperialism
have divided the people against one and another. These people have
forgotten who is the enemy. The real enemy is Zionists and
Imperialists.
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drahcir
> It hurts to see a Palestinian killing a Palestinian, an Arab killing
> an Arab or a Muslim killing a Muslim. But Zionism and Imperialism
> have divided the people against one and another.
LOL! I'd say that your 'nym is well chosen! There's always a "but"
when a Muslim discusses Muslim on Muslim violence. I can just imagine
the Pakistani father whose wife and child were blown to bits by the
Taliban while buying carrots, cursing the Zionists! How come Muslims
always have some excuse for their behavior, and that excuse always
relies on the behavior of others? Why don't you please elaborate for
the group how Zionism and Imperialism are causing the violence in
Pakistan?
These people have
> forgotten who is the enemy. The real enemy is Zionists and
> Imperialists.
You are deluded. Iraq was relatively tranquil only because of the iron
Baath fist. Once that was gone, sunnis and shias could once again go
at each other. In Pakistan and Afghanistan some Muslims think other
Muslims are not "real" Muslims. Muslims as a people create nearly
nothing of value, and contribute way more than their share of violence
nearly ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD they are not a majority, and in many
places where they are. No, the real enemy of Muslims is Islam.