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Heinrich
Nov 15, 2012, 5:49:57 AM11/15/12
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Some 5,600 religious homosexuals have joined the Hod organization (an
acronym for religious gays in Hebrew) since its establishment in 2008,
according to figures presented by the organization in a special seminar held
in collaboration with the Israel Psychological Association.
The figures compiled by Hod reveals that about half of religious homosexuals
who underwent conversion treatments began leading a secular lifestyle, and
about two-third of those who were married got divorced or are in the process
of a divorce.
Hod founder Rabbi Ron Yosef presented data showing that the organization
received 6,325 appeals since its establishment, 5,585 of them from haredi
and religious homosexuals and 740 from parents, educators, counselors and
professionals.
About 70% of the appeals came from the national-religious sector, and about
30% from the haredi and Hasidic sectors.
Faith crisis and self-hatred
The HOD organization initiated the seminar following a position paper on
"conversion therapy" published earlier this year by the expert committee of
the Israel Psychological Association.
According to the document, a patient should be presented with the existing
knowledge, which warns against reparative therapy, but the possibility to
change a person's sexual orientation should not be ruled out completely.
During the conference, Rabbi Yosef presented 291 testimonies of men who had
undergone conversion treatments. Exact figures on the number of homosexuals
who have undergone such treatments in Israel are unavailable, he told Ynet.
According to the rabbi, the only organization which supports such therapy is
Rabbi Shlomo Aviner's Atzat Nefesh, which refuses to release exact figures.
"One of the reasons we established Hod about five years ago was because we
began receiving evidence and complaints from people who had undergone
conversion treatments," says Rabbi Yosef.
"About two years ago, we turned to the Israel Psychological Association and
Health Ministry and asked them to address the issue. The Israel
Psychological Association appointed an expert committee, which listened to
the testimonies of professionals, therapists and patients and issued the
position paper."
According to Rabbi Yosef, the 291 men who testified that they had undergone
conversion therapy were asked to elaborate on the damage they had suffered
as a result. A faith crisis was mentioned by most respondents. They also
reported experiencing long periods of depression requiring medication,
self-hatred and low self-esteem, as well as sexual dysfunction.
Another interesting figure is that out of the 291 men who underwent therapy,
165 began leading a secular lifestyle. In addition, 94 were married but only
36 remained married. The rest got divorced or are in the process of a
divorce.
Eighty-two percent of those whose testimonies reached Hod are affiliated
with Religious Zionism, 10% belong to the haredi sector, 7% are national
haredi and 1% are from the Hasidic sector.
'Professional is not a missionary'
Dr. Gabi Weil, who headed the expert committee, presented the position paper
to the conference participants. According to Weil, a professional must not
allow his personal values to affect the patient's future in terms of
treatment.
"A professional is not a missionary," Weil said. "It's problematic when a
therapist with modern views tries to convince his patient that his beliefs
are obsolete and wrong, but it's as problematic when a therapist tells his
patient that if he hasn’t 'changed' it's because he doesn't want it enough
or something of the kind."
According to Weil, the patient must not be given false promises and that the
dangers and possible results of such a treatment must be put on the table.
'Halachic vagueness'
Prof. Tuvia Peri of the Department of Psychology Department at Bar-Ilan
University said that his stance toward religious homosexuals had changed. In
the past he believed that most of them could get married, but "today I
realize from my long years of experience that this way of thinking causes a
lot of damage."
He added, however, that each way had its price and that an absolute solution
for the problem of homosexuality in the religious society had yet to be
found.
Rabbi Yuval Cherlow, who concluded the conference, said that the homosexual
orientation issue was subject to halachic vagueness. According to Cherlow, a
lot of progress has been made on the issue in recent years from a public and
social aspect, but there is no room for conclusive statements on the issue.
acronym for religious gays in Hebrew) since its establishment in 2008,
according to figures presented by the organization in a special seminar held
in collaboration with the Israel Psychological Association.
The figures compiled by Hod reveals that about half of religious homosexuals
who underwent conversion treatments began leading a secular lifestyle, and
about two-third of those who were married got divorced or are in the process
of a divorce.
Hod founder Rabbi Ron Yosef presented data showing that the organization
received 6,325 appeals since its establishment, 5,585 of them from haredi
and religious homosexuals and 740 from parents, educators, counselors and
professionals.
About 70% of the appeals came from the national-religious sector, and about
30% from the haredi and Hasidic sectors.
Faith crisis and self-hatred
The HOD organization initiated the seminar following a position paper on
"conversion therapy" published earlier this year by the expert committee of
the Israel Psychological Association.
According to the document, a patient should be presented with the existing
knowledge, which warns against reparative therapy, but the possibility to
change a person's sexual orientation should not be ruled out completely.
During the conference, Rabbi Yosef presented 291 testimonies of men who had
undergone conversion treatments. Exact figures on the number of homosexuals
who have undergone such treatments in Israel are unavailable, he told Ynet.
According to the rabbi, the only organization which supports such therapy is
Rabbi Shlomo Aviner's Atzat Nefesh, which refuses to release exact figures.
"One of the reasons we established Hod about five years ago was because we
began receiving evidence and complaints from people who had undergone
conversion treatments," says Rabbi Yosef.
"About two years ago, we turned to the Israel Psychological Association and
Health Ministry and asked them to address the issue. The Israel
Psychological Association appointed an expert committee, which listened to
the testimonies of professionals, therapists and patients and issued the
position paper."
According to Rabbi Yosef, the 291 men who testified that they had undergone
conversion therapy were asked to elaborate on the damage they had suffered
as a result. A faith crisis was mentioned by most respondents. They also
reported experiencing long periods of depression requiring medication,
self-hatred and low self-esteem, as well as sexual dysfunction.
Another interesting figure is that out of the 291 men who underwent therapy,
165 began leading a secular lifestyle. In addition, 94 were married but only
36 remained married. The rest got divorced or are in the process of a
divorce.
Eighty-two percent of those whose testimonies reached Hod are affiliated
with Religious Zionism, 10% belong to the haredi sector, 7% are national
haredi and 1% are from the Hasidic sector.
'Professional is not a missionary'
Dr. Gabi Weil, who headed the expert committee, presented the position paper
to the conference participants. According to Weil, a professional must not
allow his personal values to affect the patient's future in terms of
treatment.
"A professional is not a missionary," Weil said. "It's problematic when a
therapist with modern views tries to convince his patient that his beliefs
are obsolete and wrong, but it's as problematic when a therapist tells his
patient that if he hasn’t 'changed' it's because he doesn't want it enough
or something of the kind."
According to Weil, the patient must not be given false promises and that the
dangers and possible results of such a treatment must be put on the table.
'Halachic vagueness'
Prof. Tuvia Peri of the Department of Psychology Department at Bar-Ilan
University said that his stance toward religious homosexuals had changed. In
the past he believed that most of them could get married, but "today I
realize from my long years of experience that this way of thinking causes a
lot of damage."
He added, however, that each way had its price and that an absolute solution
for the problem of homosexuality in the religious society had yet to be
found.
Rabbi Yuval Cherlow, who concluded the conference, said that the homosexual
orientation issue was subject to halachic vagueness. According to Cherlow, a
lot of progress has been made on the issue in recent years from a public and
social aspect, but there is no room for conclusive statements on the issue.
Walt Hampton
Nov 15, 2012, 5:57:56 AM11/15/12
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"Heinrich" wrote in message news:wN3ps.13376$ZU4....@newsfe03.iad...
>Rabbi Yuval Cherlow, who concluded the
>conference, said that the homosexual
>orientation issue was subject to halachic
>vagueness.
Lambsky should be here soon to grace this thread
with his homo porn.
>Rabbi Yuval Cherlow, who concluded the
>conference, said that the homosexual
>orientation issue was subject to halachic
>vagueness.
with his homo porn.
Heinrich
Nov 15, 2012, 6:08:37 AM11/15/12
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"Walt Hampton" schreef in bericht news:63v7cm....@news.alt.net...
Walt Hampton
Nov 15, 2012, 6:18:25 AM11/15/12
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"Heinrich" wrote in message news:334ps.4339$tk4....@newsfe25.iad...
>yeah i think he will be back
>in five hours from now
That Yid in Toronto is 1 or 2 hours behind me. Probably
having a wet dream if not "escorting!"
>yeah i think he will be back
>in five hours from now
having a wet dream if not "escorting!"
The Peeler
Nov 15, 2012, 6:19:08 AM11/15/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:49:57 +0100, Dumb Heini, the heavily medicated Dutch
resident Nazi troll and laughing stock of sci and scj, wrote:
<snip our resident Dutch Nazi fag's usual inane copy & paste troll>
Dumb Heini, once your working wife divorces you, are you planning on
marrying again ...a man, this time? ;-)
--
The Dutch Nazi fag linking to video with homosexual action:
MID: <Yfbyp.17592$_P6....@newsfe05.iad>
--
Our Dutch Nazi fag addressing a poster on these groups:
"i want you because you turn me on"
MID: <4ee37b40$0$8167$2e0e...@news.tweakdsl.nl>
--
The Dutch Nazi fag linking to video with nude rugby players:
http://www.3news.co.nz/Nude-rugby-a-hard-match-in-Dunedin-contains-nudity/tabid/309/articleID/161713/Default.aspx
Message-ID: <A6Maq.16877$oz6....@newsfe11.iad>
resident Nazi troll and laughing stock of sci and scj, wrote:
<snip our resident Dutch Nazi fag's usual inane copy & paste troll>
Dumb Heini, once your working wife divorces you, are you planning on
marrying again ...a man, this time? ;-)
--
The Dutch Nazi fag linking to video with homosexual action:
MID: <Yfbyp.17592$_P6....@newsfe05.iad>
--
Our Dutch Nazi fag addressing a poster on these groups:
"i want you because you turn me on"
MID: <4ee37b40$0$8167$2e0e...@news.tweakdsl.nl>
--
The Dutch Nazi fag linking to video with nude rugby players:
http://www.3news.co.nz/Nude-rugby-a-hard-match-in-Dunedin-contains-nudity/tabid/309/articleID/161713/Default.aspx
Message-ID: <A6Maq.16877$oz6....@newsfe11.iad>
The Peeler
Nov 15, 2012, 6:21:33 AM11/15/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:57:56 -0500, "All Bark and No Bite", aka Walt
Humpton, aka Caroloony Reb, the subnormal moron and attested schizo from
true homo love is! <G>
--
Dod about our resident schizo:
Most Caucasians think you are an ass and rightfully so, scrounge.
MID: <7ceb5a33-3292-4976...@w5g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>
Humpton, aka Caroloony Reb, the subnormal moron and attested schizo from
the States, wrote:
>>conference, said that the homosexual
>>orientation issue was subject to halachic
>>vagueness.
>
> Lambsky should be here soon to grace this thread
> with his homo porn.
We only need to watch you inseparable Nazi fags on these groups to see what
>>conference, said that the homosexual
>>orientation issue was subject to halachic
>>vagueness.
>
> Lambsky should be here soon to grace this thread
> with his homo porn.
true homo love is! <G>
--
Dod about our resident schizo:
Most Caucasians think you are an ass and rightfully so, scrounge.
MID: <7ceb5a33-3292-4976...@w5g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>
The Peeler
Nov 15, 2012, 6:29:23 AM11/15/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:08:37 +0100, Dumb Heini, the heavily medicated Dutch
undisturbed! But only ALMOST! LOL
resident Nazi troll and laughing stock of sci and scj, wrote:
>
>
> Lambsky should be here soon to grace this thread
> with his homo porn.
>
> yeah i think he will be back in five hours from now
Well, in the meantime you can engage in your latest Nazi homo orgy, almost
> with his homo porn.
>
> yeah i think he will be back in five hours from now
undisturbed! But only ALMOST! LOL
The Peeler
Nov 15, 2012, 6:30:10 AM11/15/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:18:25 -0500, "All Bark and No Bite", aka Walt
Humpton, aka Caroloony Reb, the subnormal moron and attested schizo from
the States, wrote:
the States, wrote:
>>yeah i think he will be back
>>in five hours from now
>
> That Yid in Toronto is 1 or 2 hours behind me. Probably
> having a wet dream if not "escorting!"
Obviously, BOTH of you keep having wet dreams about him! LOL
>>in five hours from now
>
> That Yid in Toronto is 1 or 2 hours behind me. Probably
> having a wet dream if not "escorting!"
The Revd
Nov 15, 2012, 7:23:11 AM11/15/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:49:57 +0100, "Heinrich"
<Hein...@Ruhrgasnet.de> wrote:
>Some 5,600 religious homosexuals have joined the Hod organization (an
>acronym for religious gays in Hebrew) since its establishment in 2008,
>according to figures presented by the organization in a special seminar held
>in collaboration with the Israel Psychological Association.
>
>
>
>The figures compiled by Hod reveals that about half of religious homosexuals
>who underwent conversion treatments began leading a secular lifestyle, and
>about two-third of those who were married got divorced or are in the process
>of a divorce.
But 100% of them still greek each other! LOL
<Hein...@Ruhrgasnet.de> wrote:
>Some 5,600 religious homosexuals have joined the Hod organization (an
>acronym for religious gays in Hebrew) since its establishment in 2008,
>according to figures presented by the organization in a special seminar held
>in collaboration with the Israel Psychological Association.
>
>
>
>The figures compiled by Hod reveals that about half of religious homosexuals
>who underwent conversion treatments began leading a secular lifestyle, and
>about two-third of those who were married got divorced or are in the process
>of a divorce.
The Peeler
Nov 15, 2012, 8:03:17 AM11/15/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:23:11 -0800, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
farted:
>>about two-third of those who were married got divorced or are in the process
>>of a divorce.
>
> But 100% of them still greek each other! LOL
I wonder, who Dumb Heini will marry, once his wife has divorced him: you or
Walt Humpton! <G>
--
The Rectum about himself:
"And you just wish someone, anyone, anything would cornhole you!"
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
farted:
>>about two-third of those who were married got divorced or are in the process
>>of a divorce.
>
> But 100% of them still greek each other! LOL
Walt Humpton! <G>
--
The Rectum about himself:
"And you just wish someone, anyone, anything would cornhole you!"
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