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Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Feb 19, 2024, 12:37:28 AMFeb 19
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You know that, entirely coincidentally (or not), soon after the ICJ
announced a provisional decision that Israel has a credible case to
answer against the accusation of genocide, Netanyahu’s government
suddenly produced some dossier, based on “military intelligence” (i.e.
the usual forced confessions out of tortured Palestinian prisoners),
that claims that about a dozen employees of UNRWA, the UN agency
trying to look after Palestinian refugees, were involved in the Hamas
attack on October 7.
And based on just that bare accusation, a dozen or more countries
jumped with indecent haste to cut their funding to UNRWA. We know that
Zionist Israel hates UNRWA; maybe because it tries to make the lives
of Palestinians a bit more bearable.
This analysis
<https://www.aljazeera.com/program/the-bottom-line/2024/2/18/why-are-israel-and-its-western-allies-targeting-unrwa>
revealed some interesting things to me: like that UNRWA was set up
before there was such a thing as the UNHCR, so that the Palestinians
remain as a special case not dealt with under the UNHCR’s
responsibility; and that, whereas the UNHCR has as an important part
of its function the repatriation of refugees back to their homeland
where possible, this is specifically excluded from the rules of
operation of UNRWA.
So if UNRWA were to be shut down, what would happen to the Palestinian
refugees? Why, they would come under the responsibility of the UNHCR,
of course. And inevitably, the idea of letting them return to their
original homes and land within what is now Israel would become a lot
more prominent than it is now. The UNHCR would be obliged to raise
that issue, because that is part of its job.
Would Netanyahu and his Zionist accomplices want that?
announced a provisional decision that Israel has a credible case to
answer against the accusation of genocide, Netanyahu’s government
suddenly produced some dossier, based on “military intelligence” (i.e.
the usual forced confessions out of tortured Palestinian prisoners),
that claims that about a dozen employees of UNRWA, the UN agency
trying to look after Palestinian refugees, were involved in the Hamas
attack on October 7.
And based on just that bare accusation, a dozen or more countries
jumped with indecent haste to cut their funding to UNRWA. We know that
Zionist Israel hates UNRWA; maybe because it tries to make the lives
of Palestinians a bit more bearable.
This analysis
<https://www.aljazeera.com/program/the-bottom-line/2024/2/18/why-are-israel-and-its-western-allies-targeting-unrwa>
revealed some interesting things to me: like that UNRWA was set up
before there was such a thing as the UNHCR, so that the Palestinians
remain as a special case not dealt with under the UNHCR’s
responsibility; and that, whereas the UNHCR has as an important part
of its function the repatriation of refugees back to their homeland
where possible, this is specifically excluded from the rules of
operation of UNRWA.
So if UNRWA were to be shut down, what would happen to the Palestinian
refugees? Why, they would come under the responsibility of the UNHCR,
of course. And inevitably, the idea of letting them return to their
original homes and land within what is now Israel would become a lot
more prominent than it is now. The UNHCR would be obliged to raise
that issue, because that is part of its job.
Would Netanyahu and his Zionist accomplices want that?
Rod Speed
Feb 19, 2024, 2:54:09 AMFeb 19
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Bet it doesn't.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@nz.invalid> wrote
> You know that, entirely coincidentally (or not), soon after the ICJ
> announced a provisional decision that Israel has a credible case to
> answer against the accusation of genocide, Netanyahu’s government
> suddenly produced some dossier, based on “military intelligence”(i.e.
> the usual forced confessions out of tortured Palestinian prisoners),
More of your lies, Pinocchio
> that claims that about a dozen employees of UNRWA,the UN agency trying
> to look after Palestinian refugees,were involved in the Hamas attack on
> October 7.
And most of the world that matters believed that they were.
> And based on just that bare accusation,
More of your lies, Pinocchio
> a dozen or more countries jumped withindecent haste to cut their
> funding to UNRWA.
Because they believed the EVIDENCE, Pinocchio.
> We know that Zionist Israel hates UNRWA;
More of your lies, Pinocchio
> maybe because it tries to make the lives
> of Palestinians a bit more bearable.
Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
> This analysis
> <https://www.aljazeera.com/program/the-bottom-line/2024/2/18/why-are-israel-and-its-western-allies-targeting-unrwa>
Clearly flagrantly biased given the 'its western allies' line.
> revealed
It does no such thing.
> some interesting things to me:
Your problem, as always.
> like that UNRWA was set up before there was such athing as the UNHCR,
> so that the Palestinians remainas a special case not dealt with under
> the UNHCR’s
> responsibility;
Hardly surprising given when that utter fiasco happened...
> and that, whereas the UNHCR has as an importantpart of its function the
> repatriation of refugeesback to their homeland where possible,
No such animal with Palestine.
> this is specifically excluded fromthe rules of operation of UNRWA.
Irrelevant to what some of those UNRWA employees got up to.
> So if UNRWA were to be shut down,
No chance of that.
> what would happen to the Palestinian refugees?
Hamas should have thought of that before getting the
UNRWA employees involved in the Oct 7 obscenity.
> Why, they would come under the responsibilityof the UNHCR, of course.
That is never the case.
> And inevitably, the idea of letting them return to their
> original homes and land within what is now Israelwould become a lot
> The UNHCR would be obliged to raise
> that issue, because that is part of its job.
Bullshit it is.
> Would Netanyahu and his Zionist accomplices want that?
Taint gunna happen so that question is irrelevant.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@nz.invalid> wrote
> You know that, entirely coincidentally (or not), soon after the ICJ
> announced a provisional decision that Israel has a credible case to
> answer against the accusation of genocide, Netanyahu’s government
> suddenly produced some dossier, based on “military intelligence”(i.e.
> the usual forced confessions out of tortured Palestinian prisoners),
> that claims that about a dozen employees of UNRWA,the UN agency trying
> to look after Palestinian refugees,were involved in the Hamas attack on
> October 7.
And most of the world that matters believed that they were.
> And based on just that bare accusation,
> a dozen or more countries jumped withindecent haste to cut their
> funding to UNRWA.
Because they believed the EVIDENCE, Pinocchio.
> We know that Zionist Israel hates UNRWA;
> maybe because it tries to make the lives
> of Palestinians a bit more bearable.
> This analysis
> <https://www.aljazeera.com/program/the-bottom-line/2024/2/18/why-are-israel-and-its-western-allies-targeting-unrwa>
Clearly flagrantly biased given the 'its western allies' line.
> revealed
It does no such thing.
> some interesting things to me:
> like that UNRWA was set up before there was such athing as the UNHCR,
> so that the Palestinians remainas a special case not dealt with under
> the UNHCR’s
> responsibility;
Hardly surprising given when that utter fiasco happened...
> and that, whereas the UNHCR has as an importantpart of its function the
> repatriation of refugeesback to their homeland where possible,
No such animal with Palestine.
> this is specifically excluded fromthe rules of operation of UNRWA.
Irrelevant to what some of those UNRWA employees got up to.
> So if UNRWA were to be shut down,
> what would happen to the Palestinian refugees?
UNRWA employees involved in the Oct 7 obscenity.
> Why, they would come under the responsibilityof the UNHCR, of course.
> And inevitably, the idea of letting them return to their
> more prominent than it is now.
Fantasy.
> The UNHCR would be obliged to raise
> that issue, because that is part of its job.
> Would Netanyahu and his Zionist accomplices want that?
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Feb 19, 2024, 3:59:19 AMFeb 19
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Feb 20, 2024, 12:57:23 AMFeb 20
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On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 18:53:56 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@nz.invalid> wrote
>
>> You know that, entirely coincidentally (or not), soon after the ICJ
>> announced a provisional decision that Israel has a credible case to
>> answer against the accusation of genocide, Netanyahu’s government
>> suddenly produced some dossier, based on “military intelligence”(i.e.
>> the usual forced confessions out of tortured Palestinian prisoners),
>
> More of your lies, Pinocchio
Circular reasoning, to justify an unsupportable argument?
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@nz.invalid> wrote
>
>> You know that, entirely coincidentally (or not), soon after the ICJ
>> announced a provisional decision that Israel has a credible case to
>> answer against the accusation of genocide, Netanyahu’s government
>> suddenly produced some dossier, based on “military intelligence”(i.e.
>> the usual forced confessions out of tortured Palestinian prisoners),
>
> More of your lies, Pinocchio
From
<https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20240205-as-donors-suspend-critical-funding-to-unrwa-allegations-against-staff-remain-murky>
“They think that we can give them intelligence information,
knowing that some of their employees work for Hamas? Are you
serious? Why don’t we invite Hamas to our headquarters and have
them sit at our desk and have a look at all the information we
have?”
-- Lior Haiat, Israel Foreign Ministry spokesperson
In other words, we can’t show you the evidence because they’re guilty,
and we’d be crazy to give them the chance to defend themselves, so
you’ll just have to take our word for it.
>> And based on just that bare accusation,
>
> More of your lies, Pinocchio
>> This analysis
>> <https://www.aljazeera.com/program/the-bottom-line/2024/2/18/why-are-israel-and-its-western-allies-targeting-unrwa>
>
> Clearly flagrantly biased given the 'its western allies' line.
would be more credible if it only mentioned that Israel, and nobody
else, was targeting UNRWA?
Inquiring minds would like to know what your reasoning is (if you have
any).
>> and that, whereas the UNHCR has as an importantpart of its function
>> the repatriation of refugeesback to their homeland where possible,
>
> No such animal with Palestine.
I?
Rod Speed
Feb 20, 2024, 3:33:14 AMFeb 20
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@nz.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@nz.invalid> wrote
>>> You know that, entirely coincidentally (or not), soon after the ICJ
>>> announced a provisional decision that Israel has a credible case to
>>> answer against the accusation of genocide, Netanyahu’s government
>>> suddenly produced some dossier, based on “military intelligence”(i.e.
>>> the usual forced confessions out of tortured Palestinian prisoners),
>> More of your lies, Pinocchio
> Circular reasoning,
Nope, dope.
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@nz.invalid> wrote
>>> You know that, entirely coincidentally (or not), soon after the ICJ
>>> announced a provisional decision that Israel has a credible case to
>>> answer against the accusation of genocide, Netanyahu’s government
>>> suddenly produced some dossier, based on “military intelligence”(i.e.
>>> the usual forced confessions out of tortured Palestinian prisoners),
>> More of your lies, Pinocchio
> Circular reasoning,
> to justify an unsupportable argument?
> From
> <https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20240205-as-donors-suspend-critical-funding-to-
unrwa-allegations-against-staff-remain-murky>
Wota stunningly impeccible cite, dope.
> “They think that we can give them intelligence information,
> knowing that some of their employees work for Hamas? Are you
> serious? Why don’t we invite Hamas to our headquarters and have them
> sit at our desk and have a look at all the information we have?”
> -- Lior Haiat, Israel Foreign Ministry spokesperson
> In other words, we can’t show you the evidence because they’re guilty,
> and we’d be crazy to give them the chance to defend themselves, so
> you’ll just have to take our word for it.
>>> And based on just that bare accusation,
>> More of your lies, Pinocchio
> Show us the evidence, then.
>>> This analysis
>>> <https://www.aljazeera.com/program/the-bottom-line/2024/2/18/why-are-israel-and-its-western-allies-targeting-unrwa>
>> Clearly flagrantly biased given the 'its western allies' line.
> You think any mention of “Western allies” is bad?
> Do you think it would be more credible if it only mentionedthat Israel,
> and nobody else, was targeting UNRWA?
Nope, dope.
> Inquiring minds
Not something you have, Pinocchio.
> would like to know what your reasoning is (if you have any).
>>> and that, whereas the UNHCR has as an important part of its function
>>> the repatriation of refugees back to their home land where possible,
>> No such animal with Palestine.
> See,
> you use that giveaway phrase again.
> I told you about that, didn’t I?
There is no such animal as any palestinian 'homeland'. fuckwit child.
Peeler
Feb 20, 2024, 12:39:17 PMFeb 20
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Feb 21, 2024, 4:21:15 PMFeb 21
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 19:33:05 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@nz.invalid> wrote
>
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@nz.invalid> wrote
>
>> “They think that we can give them intelligence information, knowing
>> that some of their employees work for Hamas? Are you
>> serious? Why don’t we invite Hamas to our headquarters and have
>> them sit at our desk and have a look at all the information we
>> have?”
>> -- Lior Haiat, Israel Foreign Ministry spokesperson
>
> Pity about what most of the first world did about the EVIDENCE, fuckwit.
But there was no actual evidence shown, as admitted by Israel’s
>> that some of their employees work for Hamas? Are you
>> serious? Why don’t we invite Hamas to our headquarters and have
>> them sit at our desk and have a look at all the information we
>> have?”
>> -- Lior Haiat, Israel Foreign Ministry spokesperson
>
> Pity about what most of the first world did about the EVIDENCE, fuckwit.
spokesperson, was there?
>>>> This analysis
>>>> <https://www.aljazeera.com/program/the-bottom-line/2024/2/18/why-are-israel-and-its-western-allies-targeting-unrwa>
>
>>> Clearly flagrantly biased given the 'its western allies' line.
>
>> You think any mention of “Western allies” is bad?
>
> Just a lie, Pinocchio.
>> Do you think it would be more credible if it only mentionedthat
>> Israel, and nobody else, was targeting UNRWA?
>
> Nope, dope.
> There is no such animal as any palestinian 'homeland'.
Hence, “homeland”. QED.
Rod Speed
Feb 21, 2024, 5:37:08 PMFeb 21
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@nz.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@nz.invalid> wrote
>>> “They think that we can give them intelligence information, knowing
>>> that some of their employees work for Hamas? Are you
>>> serious? Why don’t we invite Hamas to our headquarters and have
>>> them sit at our desk and have a look at all the information we
>>> have?”
>>> -- Lior Haiat, Israel Foreign Ministry spokesperson
>> Pity about what most of the first world did about the EVIDENCE, fuckwit.
> But there was no actual evidence shown, asadmitted by Israel’s
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@nz.invalid> wrote
>>> “They think that we can give them intelligence information, knowing
>>> that some of their employees work for Hamas? Are you
>>> serious? Why don’t we invite Hamas to our headquarters and have
>>> them sit at our desk and have a look at all the information we
>>> have?”
>>> -- Lior Haiat, Israel Foreign Ministry spokesperson
>> Pity about what most of the first world did about the EVIDENCE, fuckwit.
> spokesperson, was there?
So you are seriously trying to claim that the bulk of
the first world just took the Israeli claim as gospel ?
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of
what a terminal fuckwit you have always been.
>>>>> This analysis
>>>>> <https://www.aljazeera.com/program/the-bottom-line/2024/2/18/why-are-israel-and-its-western-allies-targeting-unrwa>
>>>> Clearly flagrantly biased given the 'its western allies' line.
>>> You think any mention of “Western allies” is bad?
>> Just a lie, Pinocchio.
> Is that a yes or a no?
>>> Do you think it would be more credible if it only mentioned
>>> that Israel, and nobody else, was targeting UNRWA?
>> Nope, dope.
> So why bring up that point about “Western allies”, then?
>> There is no such animal as any palestinian 'homeland'.
> There were people living there.
There are Israelis living in the West Bank.
That does not make it their HOMELAND, fuckwit.
> That was their home and their land.
> Hence, “homeland”. QED.
of what a terminal fuckwit you have always been.
Daniel65
Feb 21, 2024, 8:09:46 PMFeb 21
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Rod Speed wrote on 22/2/24 9:36 am:
>>>> Do you think it would be more credible if it only mentioned
>>>> that Israel, and nobody else, was targeting UNRWA?
>
>>> Nope, dope.
>
>> So why bring up that point about “Western allies”, then?
>
> Because its the evidence of flagrant bias, fuckwit.
>
>>> There is no such animal as any palestinian 'homeland'.
>
>> There were people living there.
>
> Doesnt make it their HOMELAND, fuckwit.
Just as there were people living in the land now called 'Israel' before
'we' Westerners 'created' the Jewish Homeland.
> There are Israelis living in the West Bank.
>
> That does not make it their HOMELAND, fuckwit.
homeland either!!
--
Daniel
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@nz.invalid> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@nz.invalid> wrote
<Snip>
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@nz.invalid> wrote
>>>> Do you think it would be more credible if it only mentioned
>>>> that Israel, and nobody else, was targeting UNRWA?
>
>>> Nope, dope.
>
>> So why bring up that point about “Western allies”, then?
>
> Because its the evidence of flagrant bias, fuckwit.
>
>>> There is no such animal as any palestinian 'homeland'.
>
>> There were people living there.
>
> Doesnt make it their HOMELAND, fuckwit.
'we' Westerners 'created' the Jewish Homeland.
> There are Israelis living in the West Bank.
>
> That does not make it their HOMELAND, fuckwit.
"Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of what a terminal fuckwit
you have always been."
Just because Israelis live in Isreal doesn't make *THAT* land THEIR
you have always been."
homeland either!!
--
Daniel
Rod Speed
Feb 21, 2024, 8:39:38 PMFeb 21
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Daniel65 <dani...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote
And it wasnt westerners who created Israel, it was the UN that did that.
>> There are Israelis living in the West Bank.
>> That does not make it their HOMELAND, fuckwit.
> Just because Israelis live in Isreal doesn'tmake *THAT* land THEIR
> homeland either!!
Never said it did, fuckwit. In fact I have said the exact opposite.
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@nz.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@nz.invalid> wrote
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@nz.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@nz.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Do you think it would be more credible if it only mentioned
>>>>> that Israel, and nobody else, was targeting UNRWA?
>>>> Nope, dope.
>>> So why bring up that point about “Western allies”, then?
>> Because its the evidence of flagrant bias, fuckwit.
>>>> There is no such animal as any palestinian 'homeland'.
>>> There were people living there.
>> Doesnt make it their HOMELAND, fuckwit.
> Just as there were people living in the land now called 'Israel'before
> we' Westerners 'created' the Jewish Homeland.
Nothing like that happened with Gaza.
>>>>> that Israel, and nobody else, was targeting UNRWA?
>>>> Nope, dope.
>>> So why bring up that point about “Western allies”, then?
>> Because its the evidence of flagrant bias, fuckwit.
>>>> There is no such animal as any palestinian 'homeland'.
>>> There were people living there.
>> Doesnt make it their HOMELAND, fuckwit.
> Just as there were people living in the land now called 'Israel'before
> we' Westerners 'created' the Jewish Homeland.
And it wasnt westerners who created Israel, it was the UN that did that.
>> There are Israelis living in the West Bank.
>> That does not make it their HOMELAND, fuckwit.
> homeland either!!
Never said it did, fuckwit. In fact I have said the exact opposite.
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