Leftists to sail for Gaza's freedom
torresD
Leftists to sail for Gaza's freedom
Peace activists from different countries
to set sail towards Gaza from Cyprus in
effort to break blockade.
'If we succeed in breaking siege once,
more ships will come; a channel will
open between Gaza and outside world,'
says Israeli activist
Yael Levy
Published: 08.08.08, 00:43 / Israel News
Some 40 peace activists from all
over the world plan to set sail
on Friday from Cyprus to the
beaches of Gaza,
in an attempt to break the
blockade on the Strip.
Jeff Halper,
an Israeli taking part in the mission, told Ynet,
"I believe it is my responsibility as
an Israeli who lives in a society that
allows occupation to say - no more.
Prince Andy
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racism you are leftist. So to be right you have to back bushs undemocratic
policies picked up from israel and sudan???
First his proposed water boarding aint torture.
Second the israeli treatment of strikes?? He even has an israeli judge
ready to help out??
Israel Judge Promotes Her Court As a Model
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/weather/6797129.htm
How all bushs waterbosrding all works out if there is a mistake ???
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> Last update - 01:18 15/06/2007
> The twilight zone / 'Now you are paralyzed, as we
> promised'
> By Gideon Levy
>
> "We have to make you do a little sports," the Shin Bet
> interrogator said, launching four successive days of
> questioning accompanied by brutal physical torture.
> The result: Luwaii Ashqar can no longer stand on his
> feet. He sits in his wheelchair, dressed in a
> fashionable quasi-military suit, super-elegant, new
> Caterpillar-brand shoes on his paralyzed feet.
>
> "I love this color," he says about his uniform. "It's
> the color of the soldiers who came to arrest me for
> the interrogation that did all this to me."
>
> His smile is captivating, his Hebrew rich and
> incisive. He is a young man whose world fell apart. He
> entered prison sound of body and mind and emerged a
> broken man. For four days and four nights nonstop, he
> says, he was interrogated and subjected to torture of
> the most brutal kind. The result is the person we see
> before us in the wheelchair, in the elegant home high
> in the village of Saida, north of Tul Karm, which was
> placed at his disposal by a friend after he was
> released from Israeli prison a month ago.
>
> Was there a judgment by the High Court of Justice?
> There was. It banned precisely the types of torture he
> underwent: the "banana posture," the "shabah" (body
> stretching with hands tied to a chair), "invisible"
> blows and the "frog posture" (being forced to stand
> for hours on the toes in a crouching position) - all
> the way to a vicious kick to his chest that bent his
> body backward while he was tied to a chair with his
> arms and legs, and which was the probable cause of the
> partial paralysis of his legs.
>
> Throwing up with the vomit entering his nostrils,
> losing consciousness and being given only saltwater to
> drink, relieving himself in his pants, not sleeping or
> resting - all of that for four consecutive days and
> nights.
>
> What does the interrogator Maimon tell his children
> when he goes home? What do Eldad and Sagiv tell their
> wives about their daily labors before they turn in?
> That they tortured another helpless prisoner until
> they turned him into a cripple? That they beat this
> charming young man brutally and that at the end of the
> interrogation he was tried for only marginal offenses?
> And where is the Supreme Court, which in 1999
> prohibited precisely the chain of torture that Luwaii
> Sati Ashqar, 30, who was married three years ago,
> underwent in the Kishon detention facility?
>
> Ashqar is not alone. The Public Committee Against
> Torture in Israel has just issued a new report
> containing the testimonies of nine torture victims
> (English version: http://www.stoptorture.org.il/eng/
> ). As the authors of the shocking report say, the
> testimonies "paint a dismal picture in which can be
> discerned various categories of secret-keeping
> collaborators, who, in keeping silent, protect the
> [Shin Bet] system of torture." ...
>
> On the wall is a picture, a fine drawing of a kneeling
> prisoner, his head between his knees. The caption: "I
> am in the darkness of the prison, living on your
> memory. I am far from you, lying in my bed, my spirit
> cruising your land all night. God will release all the
> prisoners, the strong will triumph."
>
> Ashqar is sitting in his wheelchair, his left leg
> completely enclosed in a cast, his right leg shaking
> nonstop. When he tries to get up and lean on his
> crutches, he threatens to topple over. "I was married
> in 2004, and I started to work in aluminum in the
> village to provide for my new household. On April 22,
> 2005, at 2:30 A.M., the soldiers came and started to
> throw grenades and to shout for everyone in the house
> to go outside. They blindfolded me with whatever they
> use and handcuffed me. I was taken in a jeep to prison
> and I was examined by an army doctor. He looked over
> my body - no operations, doesn't take medication, no
> illnesses. Again I was taken in a military jeep, this
> time to Kishon. 'Yehuda, incoming,' the warder said
> and transferred me to the interrogation office. They
> opened my eyes: Good morning. An excellent morning.
> One of the interrogators, Maimon, told me: I am
> responsible for your file. What file? The one you were
> arrested for. This is the major, and this tall guy is
> the colonel, this is Sagiv and this is Eldad. Eight
> interrogators.
>
> "They said: We have no time, it will soon be our
> Passover and you have to finish everything in a short
> time. Finish what? You have to tell us what you have.
> I don't have anything to tell you. I begged. They
> said: We know all that nonsense. We are talking about
> security. Plans for terrorist attacks at Passover. I
> said: I don't understand what you are talking about.
> They said: The suicide bomber was at your place. What
> suicide bomber?
>
> "After two hours of talking they said to me: If you
> don't give everything you have, we will have to take
> it by a different way. What is the different way? Did
> you hear of a military interrogation? You might leave
> here with your body battered or crippled. I was taken
> to a military interrogation. Here you pray to God that
> you will die, they said, but we won't give you that.
> We will let you die only after you spill out what we
> are looking for. He gave me a prison uniform and I
> told him that if I was going to die, I preferred my
> own clothes.
>
> "They sat me down on a square chair without a back,
> which was attached to the floor and had sharp metal
> ends [sticking up]. My legs were tied to the legs of
> the chair with metal cuffs and my hands were tied
> behind my back with metal cuffs. One interrogator sat
> behind me and the other in front of me. The
> interrogator opposite me said: We have to give you a
> little sports, so you will be able to hold out in the
> military interrogation. The sports was that they
> pushed me backward by the chest, a backward
> somersault, and I would hold myself so my bones would
> not break. After a minute or two I would automatically
> fall on the floor, but the interrogator behind me
> would put his foot on my chest and press, and the
> interrogator in front would grab my hands and pull and
> pull behind the chair. They kept on like that until I
> don't know what happened to me, heat in every part of
> my body, puking everything I had in my stomach and it
> would go into my nostrils. I would wake up when they
> poured water on my face. When I woke up, we went back
> to the same situation. It went on like this 15-20
> times an hour.
>
> "After that they made me crouch on my toes, not
> letting me lean on the back of my foot. I was in that
> position for 40-50 minutes, maybe an hour - that was
> my estimate - until I felt my soles swelling and they
> turned blue and there was tremendous pain. After that,
> stand up, and they tied my hands and pressed as hard
> as they could on the metal handcuffs until the metal
> dug into my hand. Here are the signs, you can still
> see them. Because of the pressure, the key of the
> handcuffs didn't always work and they would bring huge
> metal scissors, like they use in construction, and
> tear off the handcuffs and then bring new ones, to go
> on. The color of my hands changed to blue, and when
> they opened [the handcuffs] my hands shook. The
> interrogator stood on the table and pulled me with a
> chain of handcuffs. When I fell, they pulled me by the
> hair.
>
> "I would cry, beg, shout, and they came back to me
> with words, that it was impossible to stop, only after
> you start talking about what we want. I said to them:
> Tell me what you want. Tell me I am responsible for
> the attack on the Pentagon, I am ready to confess to
> everything, just tell me what. I want to end this
> death."
>
> "There were always four interrogators and two rotated
> every four hours, day and night. The new ones would
> tell me they were stronger than the ones before, that
> the ones before were a joke, we are the strong ones.
> And that was true. The new ones tied me and started to
> beat me all over my body. One interrogator pressed
> hard on my testicles and on my feet with his shoes.
> When they slapped me and I tried to pull back, the
> major would say: What are you doing? If you move back,
> I will break your nose, and if you move forward I will
> rip off your ear. Be strong and take it sportingly,
> because you are a soldier and a fighter. They broke
> this tooth."
>
> Ashqar suddenly stops talking. He turns pale and his
> face is covered with beads of perspiration. His
> father, Sati, quickly wipes his face with a damp
> cloth. "Every time I try to remember I get dizzy, even
> when I am alone." Quiet descends in the room. It will
> take Ashqar another few minutes to pull himself
> together.
>
> "I was taken into detention on Friday morning, and
> that was the last light of day I saw before the
> interrogation. I came out for the first time on Monday
> night or before dawn on Tuesday morning. On those long
> days I sat in a chair and did not even go to the
> toilet. So you won't kill yourself, they said. I
> urinated in my clothes, and a terrible stench started.
> For four days I didn't eat anything. They told me: If
> we give you something to eat, something will happen to
> your stomach and your intestines. Maybe they will
> explode under the pressure of the food when we push
> you backward. You will drink only half a cup of
> saltwater. That is what they gave me every time after
> they bent me and I vomited. Why with salt? I asked.
> Give me without salt. No, so nothing will happen in
> your stomach and intestines. I would drink it and
> vomit.
>
> "On Monday evening, they told me that five witnesses
> had testified that Luwaii had transported a wanted
> man. I told them that there was a famous wanted man
> named Luwaii Sadi, but my name is Luwaii Sati, and
> maybe they had mixed us up. He said to me: Are you
> saying the Shin Bet is that stupid? We know exactly
> what we're doing, and it is all correct. I said: Put
> me on trial for whatever you want. He said: Ya'allah,
> sports again. He pushes me backward in the chair. I
> will help you become a story in Palestinian history.
> He is talking to me and my head is down below. He
> pushes strongly with his leg and presses on my chest.
> I felt something like an explosion in my body. Like
> something broke. After that I don't know what
> happened. I woke up and they were pouring water on my
> face. Again they pushed me backward and again I
> fainted.
>
> "He said to me: Stand on your feet. I felt that my
> legs were cold, like pins and needles in the legs. I
> said: I can't. He said: Now you are paralyzed. I said:
> I guess I am. He said: That is what we promised you
> and that is what you want."
>
>
> "I discovered I had a wound in the back and it was
> bleeding - because of the sharp chair - and one of my
> bones was protruding. Because of the blood and because
> of the urine of four days there was such a stench that
> the interrogator could not come close to me. He said:
> Why do you stink like that? I told him: That is your
> perfume. A warder took me to the shower and threw me
> on the floor and said to me: Ya'allah, you have two
> minutes to shower. I looked at the faucet up above and
> I could not reach it. I pulled down my pants and the
> underpants stayed in place. I tried to pull them down
> - I could do it in front but behind it was stuck to my
> back. The two minutes went by and the warder started
> to pound on the door. Time's up. I told him: Give me
> another two minutes, I can't reach the faucet. He came
> in and asked: What do you have on your back? I said: I
> don't know.
>
> "He called the interrogator and said: Come and see the
> prisoner. The interrogator came and asked: What do you
> have, Luwaii? I said: I don't know what I have on my
> back, I can't pull the underpants down and I can't
> reach the faucet. He said: Ya'allah, we will go up and
> finish the story and take you to the doctor.
>
> "Two warders took me in a Prisons Service vehicle to
> Rambam [Medical Center in Haifa]. In emergency, my
> hands and feet were tied and a Russian doctor asked
> me: What hurts you? I told him: My whole body hurts
> from the interrogation. The Druze warder said: Shut
> up. The doctor turned me on the side and stuck a
> finger into my ass. I asked him: What are you doing?
> He said: I am checking whether you have hemorrhoids.
> Why didn't you ask me first? I am a professional, he
> said. I said: What about the wound on the back? He put
> ointment there and dressed it. After 10 minutes I was
> taken back to interrogation. Again I was tied to the
> square chair. The bandage fell off and the wound
> started to bleed again. After that, they stopped the
> military interrogation."
>
>
> He was interrogated for another two months, but
> without physical torture. He was told that his wife
> had been arrested because of him - a complete
> fabrication - and he was given a lie detector test
> ("the falsehoods machine," in his Hebrew). For two
> weeks he was placed in a cell with stool pigeons. In
> the end, he was indicted on only two counts, in
> Prosecution File 2157/05: assisting a wanted person to
> hide and using a forged document. No ticking and no
> bomb. Ashqar was sentenced to 26 months in prison and
> was released a month ago. In the meantime, his younger
> brother, Osaimar, disappeared. Soldiers came to the
> house looking for him, but he was not there. His
> family has not seen him since: He told them that he
> was not willing to undergo what Luwaii did.
>
> Luwaii is now looking for a way to get medical
> treatment in Israel or abroad, after his physician
> told him that he would not be able to get
> rehabilitation in the West Bank. His lawyer told him
> that the Shin Bet will almost certainly prevent him
> from going anywhere.
>
> ---
>
> This is the response received by Haaretz from the Shin
> Bet:
>
> Luwaii Ashqar was arrested in April 2005, after
> serious suspicions were raised against him concerning
> his involvement in terrorism, including possession of
> weapons and assistance to wanted individuals - terror
> activists from Islamic Jihad.
>
> One of the suspicions was that he had provided
> accommodation, ahead of a terrorist act, for Sirhan
> Sarhan, the perpetrator of the attack in Kibbutz
> Metzer, who murdered Revital Ohayon and her two
> children, Noam and Matan, of blessed memory.
>
> The suspect was tried and convicted in a plea bargain,
> and sentenced to 14 months in prison and another 14
> months in prison stemming from a pending conditional
> sentence, so that all told he was sentenced to 26
> months in prison. In addition, he received a 28-month
> suspended sentence.
>
> His interrogation was carried out according to the
> rules and directives, with constant review of the
> interrogation process.
>
> During the interrogation, the above-named put forward
> medical complaints, which were examined and treated by
> the appropriate medical authorities, including an
> examination he underwent in hospital.
>
> It should be noted that during the interrogation he
> did not cite medical complaints of the same
> seriousness as those mentioned in the query.
>
> Complaints relating to his interrogation, from, among
> other sources, the Committee Against Torture and the
> Red Cross, were referred to the State Prosecutor's
> Office for examination, which ordered an examination
> by the Ombudsman of Interogees' Complaints.
>
> The examination of the complaints did not turn up any
> excesses in the interrogation, and in the wake of
> this, the official in charge of the OIC in the State
> Prosecutor's Office decided to close the examination
> file.
>
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/871239.html
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA
Experiments included administering the drug to CIA employees, military
personnel, doctors, other government agents, prostitutes, mentally ill
patients, and members of the general public in order to study their
reactions, usually without the subject's knowledge.
HOW FAR IS HOWARDS LIBERALS WILLING TO FOLLOW AMERICA? - Spreading Torture
World-Wide
One of the sitting gurus who apparently holds great sway in one of Americas
education system is Professor Alan Dershowitz.
http://www.nowar-paix.ca/nowar/forum/6973
Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard University is currently best known
for his advocacy of the "most excruciating" torture against terrorist
suspects
such as a "needle being shoved under the fingernails." The alleged purpose
of this torture is to extract a truthful confession but its real
consequence, as human rights organizations have pointed out, is to produce
whatever statements are necessary to end the suffering.
Spreading Torture World-Wide
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> 'Torture Taxi' Connection With Nevada
> http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=6146357
> Las Vegas Now | February 27, 2007
> George Knapp
>
> Human rights activists and foreign governments friendly to the U.S. are
> outraged because of a suspected kidnapping operation being run by American
> intelligence agencies.
>
> People have been snatched in broad daylight and then whisked to secret
> prisons, possibly for torture. The planes used in this controversial
> operation are often seen in Las Vegas, but the connection goes much
deeper.
>
> The I-Team first reported on the so-called "torture taxis" in 2006 and has
> spotted these planes coming in and out of Las Vegas on several occasions.
>
> The aircraft are owned by shell companies set up by unknown agencies,
quite
> possibly the Central Intelligence Agency. Some of the companies were
created
> in Nevada, using phony names and non-existent persons. So far, Nevada
> officials don't see it as a problem or a concern.
>
> The images are all too familiar -- prisoners being mistreated, others held
> indefinitely without charges. Even more damaging to America's image have
> been allegations of torture carried out at secret prisons by American
agents
> or surrogates.
>
> In a way, the legal justification for the torture program has roots in
> Nevada, since a Nevada lawyer named Jay Bybee, while working for the Bush
> administration, wrote the legal brief defending such policies.
>
> It's not hypothetical. Some of the very same planes that have been used in
> the kidnapping and transport of suspected terrorists to dark, unknown
places
> fly in and out of Las Vegas on a regular basis. The I-Team has recorded
> their arrivals. However, we cannot say what they're doing here, but are
> pretty sure what they've been used for elsewhere.
>
> Trevor Paglen, of the University of California, said, "It's indisputable
at
> this point that the United States has been kidnapping people around the
> world, disappearing them, holding them incommunicado, torturing them. It's
> beyond dispute."
>
> Trevor Paglen is the co-author of Torture Taxi, a book about the so-called
> rendition planes and the torture program. The planes in question are owned
> by private companies with clearance to land at any U.S. military base in
the
> world. Track the planes and you can figure out where the secret prisons
are
> located, often in countries with dismal human rights records.
>
> Such information has outraged European governments. Example: Khaled
> al-Masri, a German national, was vacationing in Macedonia when he was
> grabbed by masked men, flown to Afghanistan, and tortured for five months
> until his captors realized they had the wrong guy. Al-Masri is now suing
the
> U.S. Government, along with a Reno company, Keeler and Tate, which owns
the
> plane suspected of transporting Al-Masri to Kabul.
>
> From all indications, the firm is merely a shell, a false front created by
> an intelligence agency. The only officer listed is one Tyler Edward Tate,
a
> person who seemingly does not exist. The lawyer who incorporated the
company
> is Steven Petersen, who has declined all requests for comment and whom the
> I-Team discovered, is hard to find, even at his office.
>
> Petersen's office staff didn't know where he was, how to reach him, or
when
> he might return. The I-Team can't find any record of Tyler Tate other than
> what's filed with Nevada's Secretary of State. It's a felony to file false
> information with that office, although no one there seems too concerned.
The
> office has known for more than a year that Keeler and Tate is most likely
a
> phony front. But a deputy told the I-Team there's, quote, "nothing they
can
> do until a formal complaint is filed by someone."
>
> In other parts of the country -- in North Carolina and Portland, Oregon,
for
> example -- the lawyers who have filed papers for other fictitious airlines
> linked to the torture program are being investigated by the state bar. Not
> so in Nevada.
>
> On Scott Petersen's door is another name familiar in Nevada -- Laxalt.
Peter
> Laxalt is the brother of former governor and U.S. Senator Paul Laxalt, a
> well-connected Washington lobbyist. The lobby directory previously listed
> the Paul Laxalt Group as sharing the same suite with Steven Petersen. But,
> as soon as calls were made about the connection, the Laxalt name was
removed
> from the directory.
>
> Trevor Paglen said, "We called the D.C. office. The Laxalt Group denied
even
> having an office in Reno. Their name was on the building directly. We
called
> the secretary and they told us there was a West Coast office of the group
in
> that building."
>
> This is not a dead end. European nations have filed formal criminal
charges
> against numerous American intelligence agents. Khaled El-Masri's lawsuit
is
> moving forward and he has the American Civil Liberties Union helping him.
At
> some point, that suit could force some answers about the mysterious Keeler
> and Tate in Reno. And, investigations are underway in two states into the
> lawyers who assisted in setting up the phony companies.
>
> One other point, since the I-Team's first report last year about tracking
> these planes as they fly to Las Vegas, steps have been taken to hide their
> arrivals and departures.
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Ř December 15, 2007
>
> The USG Open Source Center translates an interview in the Spanish
> newspaper El Mundo with Damien Corsetti, a former private in the US
> army who served as an interrogator and was charged with crimes. He
> says he witnessed torture but did not commit it himself. He also says
> that most of the individuals he interrogated had nothing to do with al-
> Qaeda or the Taliban. Many of the practices Corsetti says he witnessed
> are already illegal. Others would be banned by a new bill passed by
> the House of Representatives, which George W. Bush has threatened to
> veto. The bill would place the Central Intelligence Agency under the
> same rules as obtain for the US military and would disallow
> waterboarding, mock executions, and sexual humiliation. I repeat, Bush
> has pledged to veto this legislation.
>
> 'Former US interrogator recounts torture cases in Afghanistan and Iraq
> El Mundo (Internet Version-WWW)
> Monday, December 10, 2007 . . .
> Document Type: OSC Translated Text . . .
> http://uruknet.info/?p=m39237&s1=h1
>
> Former US interrogator recounts torture cases in Afghanistan and Iraq
>
> Discharged US army private Damien Corsetti has described the "morally
> unacceptable" cases of physical and psychological torture he says he
> witnessed as an interrogator at the prisons of Bagram in Afghanistan
> and Abu-Ghurayb in Iraq. Speaking in an interview with a Spanish
> paper, he said the vast majority of the individuals he questioned in
> the course of his duties "had nothing to do with either the Taleban or
> Al-Qa'idah" and that while he never took part in acts of abuse, many
> were tortured "to make them suffer, not to get information out of
> them". The following is the text of the report on the interview with
> Corsetti published by the Spanish popular liberal newspaper El Mundo
> website on 10 December; subheading as published:
>
> Fairfax (Virginia): Damien Corsetti looks at me with his small eyes
> and says: "Look, they leave us alone in this room, they give me a roll
> of duct tape to tie you to the chair, I turn off the light and in five
> hours you sign a piece of paper for me saying that you're Usamah Bin-
> Ladin".
>
> It is a Thursday night. Damien Corsetti - who, according to The New
> York Times was nicknamed "The King of Torture" and "The Monster" by
> his colleagues at Bagram prison, in Afghanistan - is sitting down
> having a glass of wine in a French restaurant in Fairfax, on the
> outskirts of Washington. Four days ago, this US private arrived on the
> outskirts of Washington from North Carolina, where he had been living
> since September 2006, when he was discharged from the army following a
> trial in which he was found not guilty of the charges of dereliction
> of duty, maltreatment, assault and performing indecent acts with
> prisoners at Bagram.
>
> Now, Corsetti - who was also under investigation in the Abu-Ghurayb
> torture case - only wants to put his life "in order". It is a
> difficult task. Because first he will have to forget the torture to
> which he says he was a witness in Afghanistan of prisoners such as Al-
> Qa'idah leader Omar al-Faruq. "The cries, the smells, the sounds are
> with me. They are things that stay with you forever", he recalls.
>
> Corsetti arrived in Afghanistan on 29 July 2002. He was a military
> intelligence soldier, not an interrogator. "But the army needed
> reliable interrogators, because most interrogators do not meet
> security requirements. They are not reliable. So we arrived there". A
> five-hour course in Afghanistan and, at 22, Corsetti began trying to
> extract information from the prisoners in the jail - prisoners who, in
> his opinion, "in 98 per cent of cases had nothing to do with either
> the Taleban or Al-Qa'idah".
>
> That is how Corsetti found himself interrogating prisoners at the
> jail. Many of them were people who had nothing to do with (George W.)
> Bush's war on terror, like his first prisoner, whose name he still
> remembers: Khan Zara. "He was a peasant and grew opium. But he was
> there three months until he told us. Do you know how I found out.
> Because of his hands. His hands were full of calluses. Those are not
> the hands of a terrorist".
>
> Other prisoners include a farmer who had put mines on his land to kill
> his neighbour, with who he had a long-standing family dispute, and an
> Afghan who had bombs in his house to fish in the river. They were
> people like Dilawar, a taxi driver detained in 2002 who had nothing to
> do with the Taleban and who died after four days of beatings from US
> soldiers.
>
> Because Bagram is a very tough prison. "Each prisoner has in his cell
> a carpet measuring 1.2 m by 2.5 m. And they spend 23 hours a day sat
> on it, in silence. If they speak, they are chained to the ceiling for
> 20 minutes and black visors are put on them so they can't see and
> protectors are put on their ears so they can't hear. They are taken
> down to the basement once a week, in groups of five or six, to shower
> them. It's done to drive them crazy. I almost went crazy", recalls
> Corsetti. Apart from those normal cells, in the basement of the prison
> there are six isolation cells, plus two rooms for who the former
> soldier describes as "special guests".
>
> But Bagram has an underworld in which the CIA tortures the leaders of
> Al-Qa'idah. "One day I went to an interrogation session and as soon as
> I arrived I knew that it was not a normal case. There were civilians,
> among them a doctor and a psychiatrist. The prisoner was called Omar
> al-Faruq, an Al-Qa'idah leader in Asia who had been brought to the
> prison by one of those agencies", recalls Corsetti. "I don't want to
> go into details because it could be very negative for my country, but
> he was brutally beaten - daily. And tortured by other methods. He was
> a bad man, but he didn't deserve that". Al-Faruq escaped from Bagram
> in action which, according to some, was tolerated by the USA and was
> killed in April 2006 by the British in the Iraqi city of Basra.
>
> Corsetti says that he never took part in the torture. "My sole job was
> to sit there and make sure the prisoner didn't die. But there were
> several times when I thought they were about to die, when they were
> interrogated by those people who have no name and who work for no-one
> in particular. It's incredible what a human being can take". A
> resistance similar to that of the memory of those torture sessions.
> Because Corsetti, a veteran of two wars, says: "I have seen people die
> in combat. I shot at people. That is not as bad as seeing someone
> tortured. Al-Faruq looked at me while they tortured him and I have
> that look in my head. And the cries, the smells, the sounds, they are
> with me all the time. It is something I can't take in. The cries of
> the prisoners calling for their relatives, their mother. I remember
> one who called for God, for Allah, all the time. I have those cries
> here, inside my head".
>
> "In Abu-Ghurayb and Bagram they were tortured to make them suffer, not
> to get information out of them". And the fact is that at times the
> torture had no other goal that "to punish them for being terrorists.
> They tortured them and didn't ask them anything". That is the case of
> the practice known as "the submarine": to simulate the drowning of the
> prisoner. "They have them hooded and they pour water on them. That
> makes it very difficult to breath. I think you can't die with the
> submarine. I certainly never saw anyone die. However, they do cough
> like crazy because they are totally submerged in water and that gets
> on their lungs. Perhaps what it can give you is serious pneumonia".
> The civilians who took part in the interrogations used the submarine
> whenever they wanted. They gave it to them for five or 10 minutes and
> didn't ask anything".
>
> Other torture included using extreme cold and heat. "I remember one of
> my prisoners trembling with cold. His teeth wouldn't stop chattering.
> I put a blanket on him and then another, and another, and his teeth
> never stopped chattering, never stopped. You could see that man was
> going to die of hypothermia. But the doctors are there so that they
> don't die, so as to be able to torture them one more day". At other
> times, "they put them under blinding lights that worked mechanically,
> giving out flashes".
>
> "They are going to kill your children"
>
> An important subject was that of psychological torture, administered
> by psychiatrists. "They tell them they are going to kill their
> children, rape their wives. And you see on their faces, in their eyes,
> the terror that that causes them. Because, of course, we know all
> about those people. We know the names of their children, where they
> live - we show them satellite photos of their houses. It is worse than
> any torture. That is not morally acceptable under any circumstances.
> Not even with the worst terrorist in the world", says Corsetti, before
> adding: "Sometimes, we put one of our women (female US military
> personnel) in burqas and we made them walk through the interrogation
> rooms and we told them: 'That is your wife'. And the prisoner believed
> it. Why wouldn't they! We had those people going without sleep for a
> whole week. After two or three days with no sleep, you believe
> anything. In fact, it was a problem. The interpreters couldn't
> understand what they were saying. The prisoners were having
> hallucinations. Because, of course, this is not like if you or me go
> three days without sleep when we're partying. I've gone five days
> without sleep when I've been partying. But this is different. You're
> in a cell where they let you sleep only a quarter of an hour every now
> and then. With no contact with the outside world. Without seeing
> sunlight. Like that, a days seems like a week. Your mental capacity is
> destroyed".
>
> In the opinion of Corsetti, the only thing his experience as an
> interrogator taught him "is that torture doesn't work. One thing is
> losing your temper and punching a prisoner, another is to commit these
> acts of brutality. In Bagram we managed to find out about an Al-
> Qa'idah plan to blow up dozens of oil tankers across the world. We
> smashed the plot so well that they only managed to attack one, the
> French oil tanker Limburgh, in Yemen in October 2002. And we managed
> to get a guy to tell us without laying a finger on him".
>
> (Description of Source: Madrid El Mundo (Internet Version-WWW) in
> Spanish -- independent national daily) '
>
http://iamthewitness.com/audio/TFC.2007.12.14.Fri.Prothink.mp3
Israel Judge Promotes Her Court As a Model
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/weather/6797129.htm
strikebreaking
If people go on strike simply because they cannot put up with the power for
perversions and cruel demands from employees that the government has handed
the employers, the Christian Evangelical Church/s has given their stamp of
approval for all the following?
These people rose up as one not because of God, but because of the treatment
by God's chosen people in not following God's laws. Secular laws.
On that day, - wrote John Kifner in The New York Times, - the vast army of
Arab labourers who wait on tables, pick vegetables, haul garbage, lay bricks
and perform virtually all Israel's menial work, stayed home.
Is it part of the Christian Evangelical Church/s beliefs that this is the
actions God would approve in the case of strike or protest? Shooting
selectively?
And this statement of Rabin has never been criticised or questioned by the
Christian Evangelical Church/s? Yeah or any other Christian institution for
that matter?
And as far as anybody can ascertain, is still fully accepted by the Israel
government and the churches have never raised an objection to this as a
legitimate action against protestors?
The San Francisco Examiner cited Rabin as openly advocating assassination.
"They can shoot to hit leaders of disorder," Rabin said in defence of the
army's practice of using marksmen with high-powered .22-caliber rifles to
shoot indiscriminately at Palestinian youth
The modern churches and the Christian Evangelical Church/s apparently think
that this is God's law that was imposed, the victims not the Israeli
government's inhuman and ungodly persecution at fault, and the ignoring
of god's law in the process?
Well we can understand the Catholic Church, they always blamed the victims
( kids) , and the Christian Evangelical Church/s apparently contributes to
that type thinking?
THE JERUSALEM POST CORRESPONDENT HIRSH GOODMAN - they have not received any
terrorist training, nor are they members of a terrorist organization. Rather
they are
members of that Palestinian generation that grew up knowing nothing but
occupation
All these churches and the Christian Evangelical Church/s apparently
support this as a fair and equitable application of God's law against 12
year olds? And fully supports these actions? Well they have not publicly
widely opposed this?
12-YEAR OLDS IS OK FOR JEWS?? Still perfectly acceptable practice in Israel
today.
This type of government is accepted as the norm to this day, and mind you
Rabin was supposed to be one of the good guys, Yeah how bad can it get?
And does any of the christian churches representatives allowed to see the
christians they pick up in these sweeps, dead or alive, or dont they even
bother?
Rabin ordered house-to-house searches, first for young men and later for
anyone of whom an example might be made. By December 27, over 2,500
Palestinians were seized, many of them as YOUNG AS TWELVE ; by the end of
January the number reached 4,000 and was rising
Is this some sort of cultural difference that God apparently accepts from
Jewish persons backed by the Christian Evangelical Church/s and our other
Christian institutions?
The protestant and catholic churches in Ireland and England certainly did
not advocate this, nor did any politician publicly endorse breaking the
culprits hands, and the Irish kids were throwing Molotov cocktails in
exactly the same situation?
Rabin ordered house-to-house searches, first for young men and later for
anyone of whom an example might be made. By December 27, over 2,500
Palestinians were seized, many of them as YOUNG AS TWELVE ; by the end of
January the number reached 4,000 and was rising
The first priority is to use force, might, beatings. [This] is considered
more effective than detention ... [because] he may then resume stoning
soldiers. But if troops break his hand, he won't be able to throw stones
The protestant and catholic churches in Ireland and England certainly did
not advocate this, nor did any politician publicly endorse this type of
behaviour as God's law given to the chosen people? God would approve
according to the Christian Evangelical Church/s and our other Christian
instructions? And the Zionist supporters say that is ok? Zionist supporters
cheer them on?
And this fits neatly into the type of law that God would approve according
to the Christian Evangelical Church/s and our other Christian instructions?
No fear of Jews standing up against cruelty and sadism as the Christians DID
again and again.
The Testimony of a Rescuer
http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/people/rescuer.htm
http://www.auschwitz.dk/docu/Default.htm
http://www.auschwitz.dk/Denmark.htm
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/r/ftp.py?people/r/roberts.jeff/1996/roberts.1096
http://www.resistance.com/Hayward/hay2.html
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/r/ftp.py?people/r/roberts.jeff/1996/roberts.1096
http://www.mafhoum.com/press2/74P51.htm
They entered the house like animals, shouting," the 22-year old student at
Bir Zeit University said. "They took us from the house, kicking us in the
head, beating us, all the soldiers with their rifle butts."
This action by soldiers is not preverted, considered normal by who?
AND WHO IS SURPRISED THAT THEY ARMED THEMSELVES??
By April 1988 over 150 Palestinians had died. The Israeli government had
admitted to the arrest of 2,000 people, bringing the acknowledged total to
4,000. The real figure was far higher.
Sources in the West Bank and Gaza established that the number detained by
the weekend of March 27 had exceeded 13,000. Bassam Shaka'a, deposed Mayor
of Nablus, placed the total held solely in a hastily constructed barbed-wire
encampment at Dhariyah at 10,000.
And under these conditions people have no chance of being molested? Children
and parents would complain loudly about paedophilia, rape, forced incest,
sadistic and perverted against them? Of course and the church, there are
christians in this crowd that your jewish brothers dont like to talk about,
did the church race to check the wellbeing of there followers, were they
even allowed? God would approve according to the Christian Evangelical
Church/s led by G.Bush and our other Christian institutions?
In the Balata camp outside Nablus, and in the Casbah - the old quarter -
l, 000 people were arrested in a period of 48 hours. The discovery of people
in ditches in the fields - shot in the back or with their heads caved in -
has been reported from villages throughout the West Bank and Gaza
These actions are not on their own not considered perverted actions by the
Israeli army, that is practised till today, so to the Christian Evangelical
Church/s and our other Christian instutions feel this is God's law and are
sitting back without any criticism?
This is normal behaviour not breaking God's law and religious teachings? The
Christian Evangelical Church/s g.Bush and our other Christian institutions
feel this is God's law and is sitting back without any criticism?
Army units go from house to house pulling youths from their beds at 3 a.m.
As the buses fill, the soldiers beat the youths viciously around the head,
shins, groin and back. Shrieks fill the air.
These so called soldiers arent sick perverted human beings by these very
actions alone.And is this a sign of closet paedophilia or simply a sadistic
type of paedophilia or sadism that we feel God would overlook?
TWO OF THE CHILDREN, AGES 9 AND 11 , WERE TAKEN BY THE SOLDIERS IN THEIR
night clothes, frog-marched in the streets and beaten as they were forced by
the jeering soldiers to clear debris.
And of course no chance of rape, paedophilia or sexual perversions, they
have so many avenues to complain, the churh is ensuring that? The Christian
Evangelical Church/s and our other Christian institutions feel this is God's
law and are ensuring support at least for the christians? Or sitting back
without any criticism?
And god's chosen have not shifted way out of the path one would consider the
way of God and are still the chosen people by the judgement of the Christian
Evangelical Church/s and our other Christian institutions?
The Good Samaritan story has been declared redundant apparently by the
Christian Evangelical Church/s and our other Christian institutions feel
this is God's law and are sitting back without any criticism?
NEW YORK TIMES
Fleets of helicopters fly over Nablus at night dropping a dense, green toxic
gas over the city. The smell pervades every house. Armed units fire
canisters of the substance into houses at random. Doctors at Ittihad
Hospital reported several deaths and severe lung injuries from this as-yet
unidentified asphyxiating chemical, totally distinct from tear gas.
Among the victims was the grandmother of the Da'as family and the
100-year-old father of noted Nablus attorney Mohammad Irshaid. Soldiers had
entered the house at 2 a.m., smashing furniture and firing a canister of the
dreaded green gas while preventing the family from leaving.
Simultaneously, the Israeli army targeted the hospitals. Army trucks rammed
ambulances and blocked them from reaching the homes of those overcome by the
gas. Soldiers entered the Ittihad Hospital in Nablus numerous times,
arresting the wounded and those waiting to give blood to family members.
EVEN THE OPERATING THEATRE WAS INVADED WHILE SURGEONS WERE OPERATING ON
PATIENTS.
DOCTORS WERE BEATEN AND EQUIPMENT SMASHED. FAMILY MEMBERS WERE PREVENTED
FROM ENTERING THE HOSPITAL AND THE CARS OF DOCTORS AND NURSES WERE DESTROYED
BY SOLDIERS.
Meanwhile, all of Nablus was paralysed by a total strike. All the streets in
every quarter of the city were without open shops or business activity. As
gas permeated the city, cries and chants filled the night.
Gas canisters recovered by Bassam Shaka'a, Yousef al-Masri [chief of Ittihad
Hospital] and American author Alfred Lilienthal bear the markings "560 cs.
Federal Lab. Saltsburg, Pa. USA MK2 1988." Biochemists are studying their
properties as casualties mount.
JOHN KIFNER reported on April 4 that "Hundreds of refugees were treated in
United Nations clinics for gas inhalation." On April 15, Kifner wrote,
"...gas has been thrown inside homes, clinics and schools where the effects
are particularly severe."
This is still going on today, as the Christian Evangelical Church/s and our
other Christian institutions do not find this as going outside the teachings
and laws of God?
Freedom of Speech
And the way our courts are going
Shut Up, Don't Think, Don't Learn From Others or You're Fired
http://www.opednews.com/kelso1203_shut_up.htm
The Soldiers At My Front Door
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1129-07.htm
Felix D.
>
> Leftists to sail for Gaza's freedom
>
> Peace activists from different countries
> to set sail towards Gaza from Cyprus in
> effort to break blockade.
And the first place they're going to protest is Egypt, right? After all,
Egypt has also sealed the border with Gaza, not to prevent anything from
getting it, but to keep any of the madness from getting out. And not to
mention that Egypt is also a Moslem country, so they'll be falling all over
themselves to help their fellow muzzies. Oh yes, they ought to be really
receptive to the emotional song and dance of some addle-pated American
leftie.
(I wonder how long it'll take the Egyptians to throw these idiots back into
the ocean?)