The Papisher & The Prod
WhiteWolf
I was born & reared on Sandy Row, a loyal Orange Prod;
I stood for good King William, that noble man of God!
My motto-No Surrender! My flag-The Union Jack!
And every Twelfth I proudly march to Finaghy-and back.
A loyal son of Ulster, a true blue, that was me,
Prepared to fight, prepared to die for faith & liberty.
As well as that, a Linfield man as long as I could mind...
And I had no time for Catholics, or any of that kind.
And then one night in Bangor I met wee Rosie Green.
The minute I laid eyes on here I knew she was my queen,
And when I saw she fancied me, my mind was all a-buzz
And I clean forgot to ask her what her religion was.
Next time we met I told her, "I'm a Proddie, staunch & true!"
And she said, "I'm a Catholic, and just as staunch as you".
The words were harsh & bitter, but suddenly like this...
The centuries of hatred were forgotten with a kiss.
I knew our love would bring us only trouble & distress.
But nothing in this world would make me love wee Rosie less.
I saved a bit of money, as quickly as I could,
And asked her if she'd marry me-- and God, she said she would.
Then th e trouble REALLY started! Her folks went ravin' mad,
And when mine heard about it, they were twice as bad.
My father said from that day on he'd hang his head in shame--
And by a strange coincidence HER father said the same!
My mother cried her eyes out & said I'd rue the day
That I let a Papish hussy steal my loyal heart away.
And Rosie's mother said, when she recovered from the blow,
That she'd rather have the divil than a man from Sandy Row!
We were married in a Papish church, the other side of town,
That's how Rosie wanted it and I couldn't let her down.
But the priest was very nice to me & made me feel at home--
I think he pitied both of us... our families didn't come.
The rooms we went to live in had nothin' but the walls,
It was far away from Sandy Row & further from the Falls.
But that's the way we wanted it, for both of us knew well
That back among the crowd we knew our lives would just be hell.
But life out there for Rosie was lonely, I well knew,
And of course we had our wee religious differences too:
At dinner time on Friday, when Rosie gave me fish,
I looked at it and then at her, and said, "Thon's not my dish."
I mind well what she said to me-- You've got to pay some price,
"And to eat no meat on Friday is a poor wee sacrifice.
To make for Christ who died for us one Friday long ago,"
Anyway, I ate the fish-- and it wasn't bad, you know.
Then Sunday came and I lay on when she got up at eight.
But Rosie turned to me and said, "Get up or you'll be late.
You've got a church to go to and there's where you should be,
So up you get this minute-- you'll be part o' the road with me."
We left the house together, but we parted down the line.
And she went off to HER church and I went off to mine.
But all throughout the service, although we were apart,
I felt that we were worshipping together in our hearts.
The weeks & months went quickly by and then there came the day
When Rosie upped & told me that a child was on the way.
We went down on our knees that day & asked the Lord above
To give our child TWO gifts alone-- tolerance & love.
We wrote & told our families--they never used to call
And we thought the news might soften them, and so it did & all.
My mother, and then Rosie's said they'd visit us in turn,
And then we marvelled at the power of a wee child not yet born.
But I was disillusioned when I found out WHY they came,
It wasn't to be friendly or to make it up again.
Rosie's mother came to say the child must be R.C.
And mine said it wuold have to be a Protestant like me.
The rows before the wedding were surely meek & mild
Compared with all the rumpus that was raised about the child.
From both sides of the family insults and threats were hurled--
Oh, what a way to welcome a wee angel to the world!
The child must be Catholic! The child must be a Prod!
But the last & loudest voice I heard was the mighty voice of God.
And to his awful wisdom I had to bow my head,
An hour after it was born our poor wee child was dead!
That night I sat by Rosie's side & just before the dawn
I kissed her as she left me to join her angel son.
And my loyal heart was broken within thon lonely walls...
Where the hell's Shankhill! Where the hell's The Falls!!
But that was many years ago, long years o' grief & pain
When I'd have given all I had to see her face again.
But my lonliness is over now; I'll see her soon I know,
The doctor told me yesterday I haven't long to go.
And when I go up thonder they'll let me in, I hope,
But if they ask me who I'm for, King Billy or the Pope,
I'm goin' to take no chances-- I'll tell them straight & fair,
I'm a Loyal Ulster Protestant... who loved a Papisher.
And one way or another, I know they'll let me through,
And Rosie will be waitin' there, and our little angel too.
Then the child will lead us, the Papist & the Prod,
Up the steps together.. into the arms of God.
--
Ray
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Steve
"WhiteWolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
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> The Papisher & The Prod -- Author Unknown
>
:Cuts:
>
> But life out there for Rosie was lonely, I well knew,
> And of course we had our wee religious differences too:
> At dinner time on Friday, when Rosie gave me fish,
> I looked at it and then at her, and said, "Thon's not my dish."
>
> I mind well what she said to me-- You've got to pay some price,
> "And to eat no meat on Friday is a poor wee sacrifice.
> To make for Christ who died for us one Friday long ago,"
> Anyway, I ate the fish-- and it wasn't bad, you know.
>
Not a local fish then. Must be an Eco-terrorist.
The rest btw was quite amusing, but I did soooooooo miss that flute.
--
Steve
max.it
max.it
>On Tue, 09 Jul 2002 20:57:53 GMT, m...@lunch.net (max.it) wrote:
>
>> WhiteWolf <r...@eirefirst.com>
>>
>>>The Papisher & The Prod -- Author Unknown
>
>Snip
>>
>>I like the easter egg one best,
>>
>>max.i [the orange cage]
>
>The "Easter-egg Rebellion" one?
>
>Ray
That's the one, do they have special mushrooms on the Island?
max.it [the orange cage]
tim
WhiteWolf wrote in message ...
>The Papisher & The Prod -- Author Unknown
This shit is just religious bigotry.
The sooner the Irish abandon all forms of God the better.
It's no good telling your protestant child that Catholics have horns, or the
devils tail tucked in their pants, it's what's tucked away in your brains
that's causing the problem.
You're all the same people united by a lack of IQ - divided by the church
and a few activists.
There's real shit happening here and there on the planet. get a freakin
life.
Steve
> On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:46:20 +0100, "Steve" <SteveJ...@boobah.plus.com>
wrote:
>
> >
> >"WhiteWolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
> >news:vpemiuct2kigt0kb3...@4ax.com...
> >> The Papisher & The Prod -- Author Unknown
> >>
> >
> >:Cuts:
> >>
> >> But life out there for Rosie was lonely, I well knew,
> >> And of course we had our wee religious differences too:
> >> At dinner time on Friday, when Rosie gave me fish,
> >> I looked at it and then at her, and said, "Thon's not my dish."
> >>
> >> I mind well what she said to me-- You've got to pay some price,
> >> "And to eat no meat on Friday is a poor wee sacrifice.
> >> To make for Christ who died for us one Friday long ago,"
> >> Anyway, I ate the fish-- and it wasn't bad, you know.
> >>
> >
> >Not a local fish then. Must be an Eco-terrorist.
> >
>
>
Ah, but from which water? - NY garbage side (they've taken to dumping
wayyyyyyyyy out to sea), BNFL or just immigrant Spanish/French trawlers with
their latin pollutants? Can't be any of these 'cos fish stocks around the
isles are at dangerously low levels, so other areas must be plundered by the
factory ships.
> >The rest btw was quite amusing, but I did soooooooo miss that flute.
>
> What flute?
>
I was alluding to that ould orange one, but I see you jumped the gun with
the Fenian Record Player. btw did you know that they sold records of orange
songs/tunes in Smithfield Market?
--
Steve
Wild Colonial Boy
wrote:
>The Papisher & The Prod -- Author Unknown
Very nice Ray. Thanks for posting it.
WCB
Dr. Sunil
On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, max.it wrote:
> WhiteWolf <r...@eirefirst.com>
>
> >On Tue, 09 Jul 2002 20:57:53 GMT, m...@lunch.net (max.it) wrote:
> >
> >> WhiteWolf <r...@eirefirst.com>
> >>
> >>>The Papisher & The Prod -- Author Unknown
> >
> >Snip
> >>
> >>I like the easter egg one best,
> >>
> >>max.i [the orange cage]
> >
> >The "Easter-egg Rebellion" one?
> >
> >Ray
>
> That's the one, do they have special mushrooms on the Island?
>
> max.it [the orange cage]
Chocolate Orange Order?
Fair @ballycastle.com.invalid Lammas Fair
> Ah! I see... Is that the one about the fella turning Catholic, but his
flute stays
> Protestestant? If so, I'd love to have the lyrics!
>
> Ray
Here it is Ray :-
"The Ould Orange Flute"
In the County Tyrone near the town of Dunganon,
There was many a ruction that meself had an hand in
Bob Williams he lived there a weaver by trade
And all of us thought him a stout Orange blade
On the twelfth of July as around it had come
Bob played his old flute to the sound of the drum
You can talk to yer harp, yer piano or Lute
But nothing compares with the old Orange Flute
But Bob, the deceiver, he took us all in
He married a Papish called Bridget McGinn
Turned Papish himself and forsook the old cause
That gave us our freedom, religion and laws
Now the boys in the place made some comment upon it
And Bob had to fly to the province of Connacht
Well he fled with his wife and his fixings to boot
And along with the latter his ould Orange Flute
At the chapels on Sundays, to atone for past deeds
He'd say Patters and Aves and he counted his beads
Till, after some time, at the priest's own desire
Bob went with his ould flute to play in the choir
Well he went with his ould flute to play in the mass
But the instrument shivered and sighed, oh alas
And blow as he would, though it made a great noise
The flute would play only "The protestant boys"
At a council of priests that was held the next day
They decided to banish the ould flute away
They couldn't knock heresy out of its head
So they bought Bob a new one to play in its stead
Now the ould flute it was doomed and its fate was pathetic
'Twas fastened and burnt at the stake as heretic
As the flames roared around it, sure they heard a strange noise
'Twas the ould flute still playing 'The protestant boys'
Regards.
Steve
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:29:45 +0100, "Steve"
the Shannon that
> were nice to eat.. Occassional trout too, never caught a Salmon though...
>
> >> >The rest btw was quite amusing, but I did soooooooo miss that flute.
> >>
> >> What flute?
> >>
> >
> >I was alluding to that ould orange one, but I see you jumped the gun with
> >the Fenian Record Player. btw did you know that they sold records of
orange
> >songs/tunes in Smithfield Market?
>
flute stays
> Protestestant? If so, I'd love to have the lyrics!
I thought that I had heard it sung on a Clancy Bros LP, but when I went to
check couldn't find it on those I have. Can anyone let me know if indeed it
was on one of their albums?, and if so, recording details please.
Now that you're getting into the swing of parades etc ( you old orangeman,
you ) have a listen to 'William Bloat' on the Clancy's "In Concert" album. I
think you will like it.
--
Steve
Fair @ballycastle.com.invalid Lammas Fair
> I thought that I had heard it sung on a Clancy Bros LP, but when I went
to
> check couldn't find it on those I have. Can anyone let me know if indeed
it
> was on one of their albums?, and if so, recording details please.
Hi Steve,
Tommy Makem made this song very much his own at Clancy Brothers concerts.
Have a look at :-
http://www.makem.com/discography/recordings/spontaneous.html
Regards.
duck
> On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:54:28 +0100, "tim" <t...@matari.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
>
> >
> >WhiteWolf wrote in message ...
> >>The Papisher & The Prod -- Author Unknown
> >
> >
> >This shit is just religious bigotry.
>
*get along* if they
> really want to... I posted the poem as a uniting message, an
inclusive message, not to
> divide people...
>
>
*Ok I believe you, I feel better already, until your next post that
is.
>The sooner the Irish abandon all forms of God the better.
>
> We'll all become ungodly communists then?
>
*Leave the IRA out of this.
> >It's no good telling your protestant child that Catholics have
horns, or the
> >devils tail tucked in their pants, it's what's tucked away in your
brains
> >that's causing the problem.
> >
> >You're all the same people united by a lack of IQ - divided by the
church
> >and a few activists.
> >There's real shit happening here and there on the planet. get a
freakin
> >life.
>
> Read the poem again,
>I think you missed the whole point of it's message the first time
> round...
>
>
*Inscription on Rays tombstone......
duck
duck
> On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:59:22 +0100, "duck" <duck...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> >
> >"WhiteWolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
> >news:f40piu4cdg8rnssjj...@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:54:28 +0100, "tim" <t...@matari.demon.co.uk>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >WhiteWolf wrote in message ...
> >> >>The Papisher & The Prod -- Author Unknown
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >This shit is just religious bigotry.
> >>
> >> The point of the poem is to show that Catholics and Protestants
can
> >*get along* if they
> >> really want to... I posted the poem as a uniting message, an
> >inclusive message, not to
> >> divide people...
> >>
> >>
> >*Ok I believe you, I feel better already, until your next post that
> >is.
> >
>
trolls trying to start a
> "12th" debate here on SCI... I'm being good... Mostly I'm bored...
>
>
*You're the one who starts most of them off but anyway take it with a
pinch of salt, I'm hardly serious.
> >The sooner the Irish abandon all forms of God the better.
> >>
> >> We'll all become ungodly communists then?
> >>
> >*Leave the IRA out of this.
> >
>
> Not all IRA are communists... Depends on which part of the country
they're in I think...
> The few I knew in Limerick wanted United Ireland and not a Socalist
one... But the IRA
> were the only viable way of fighting in the "struggle" at that
time... So...
>
>
*I know.
> >> >It's no good telling your protestant child that Catholics have
> >horns, or the
> >> >devils tail tucked in their pants, it's what's tucked away in
your
> >brains
> >> >that's causing the problem.
> >> >
> >> >You're all the same people united by a lack of IQ - divided by
the
> >church
> >> >and a few activists.
> >> >There's real shit happening here and there on the planet. get a
> >freakin
> >> >life.
> >>
> >> Read the poem again,
> >
> >
> >>I think you missed the whole point of it's message the first time
> >> round...
> >>
> >>
> >*Inscription on Rays tombstone......
> >
>
> I'm not dead! I may have one foot in the grave for all I know, but
I'm still alive and
> kicking...
>
>
*I know.
duck
duck
"WhiteWolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
> >*You're the one who starts most of them off but anyway take it with
a
> >pinch of salt, I'm hardly serious.
> >
>
> I do start some of them... But not all... A debate is what makes
it worthwhile
> returning to SCI every day to see who's saying what to who and who's
the most misquoted or
> misinterpreted poster of the day...
>
>
*What did I just say?
> > > >The sooner the Irish abandon all forms of God the better.
> >> >>
> >> >> We'll all become ungodly communists then?
> >> >>
> >> >*Leave the IRA out of this.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Not all IRA are communists... Depends on which part of the
country
> >they're in I think...
> >> The few I knew in Limerick wanted United Ireland and not a
Socalist
> >one... But the IRA
> >> were the only viable way of fighting in the "struggle" at that
> >time... So...
> >>
> >>
> >*I know.
> >
>
> Then why did you say "Leave the IRA our of this" in response to my
comment about "ungodly
> communists"?
>
>
*Joke QQ They did turn all commie when it was trendy for radicals to
do so in the 60's and they had their fair share of them even in the
Provos'
> >> >>I think you missed the whole point of it's message the first
time
> >> >> round...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >*Inscription on Rays tombstone......
> >> >
> >>
> >> I'm not dead! I may have one foot in the grave for all I know,
but
> >I'm still alive and
> >> kicking...
> >>
> >>
> >*I know.
>
> You wouldn't be the first around these parts to wish me dead Duck...
>
> Ray
>
*You have to be extremely paranoid to take that meaning from my
humour, Oh wait you are!
duck
duck
alone sold them in
> Smithfield Market of all places!
*Seems logical it is Irish music whether you are some of them deny it.
duck
duck
> On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:05:45 +0100, "duck" <duck...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
a different answer...
>
>
*You have a IRW type of cloaking them altogether. Some do have an
Irish identity, not your definition maybe , but they do have one.
Others don't, but their music isn't a Nationality anymore than
Republican music is, in fact many tunes of both traditions use the
same music just changing the words. These links work on Real player,
these don't sound to me the 'standard' fifes used normally on marches
except sometimes with the more military type marching bands. These
tunes wouldn't be played in parades either, though might be heard in
band competitions, usually played indoors. In one case I've seen a
Boran used alongside the rest and lately a Lambeg was played alongside
several Boran playing drummers for some event or other.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/troubles/ram/ora_a1.ram
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/troubles/ram/ora_a2.ram
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/troubles/ram/ora_a3.ram
duck
Steve
"Lammas Fair" <Lammas Fair @ Ballycastle .com.invalid> wrote in message
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whilst all very familiar, seem to fit together as far as I can remember.
--
Steve
ps I scrolled through all the others while I was there. Ahhhh, nothing like
a trip down memory lane.
duck
> On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:44:25 +0100, "duck" <duck...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> >
> >"WhiteWolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
> >
> >> >*You're the one who starts most of them off but anyway take it
with
> >a
> >> >pinch of salt, I'm hardly serious.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I do start some of them... But not all... A debate is what
makes
> >it worthwhile
> >> returning to SCI every day to see who's saying what to who and
who's
> >the most misquoted or
> >> misinterpreted poster of the day...
> >>
> >>
> >*What did I just say?
> >
>
you're serious or
> sarcastic... Text leaves a lot to be desired...
>
>
*I can just imagine what SCI would be like in audio.
Snip
> >> Then why did you say "Leave the IRA our of this" in response to
my
> >comment about "ungodly
> >> communists"?
> >>
> >>
> >*Joke QQ They did turn all commie when it was trendy for radicals
to
> >do so in the 60's and they had their fair share of them even in the
> >Provos'
> >
>
> Ok, I understand now... What's "QQ" mean?
>
>
*Rolls eyes...
>> >> >>I think you missed the whole point of it's message the first
> >time
> >> >> >> round...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >*Inscription on Rays tombstone......
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm not dead! I may have one foot in the grave for all I
know,
> >but
> >> >I'm still alive and
> >> >> kicking...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >*I know.
> >>
> >> You wouldn't be the first around these parts to wish me dead
Duck...
> >>
> >> Ray
> >>
> >*You have to be extremely paranoid to take that meaning from my
> >humour, Oh wait you are!
>
> I'm not paranoid... I *know* they're out to get me... A paranoid
only thinks they are! :-)
>
>
*I think you're safe where you are, we're not but you are.
duck
Steve
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:52:08 +0100, "Steve"
<SteveJ...@boobah.plus.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"WhiteWolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
> >news:c00piuo86a8jmc5nf...@4ax.com...
> >> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:29:45 +0100, "Steve"
> ><SteveJ...@boobah.plus.com> wrote:
> >> >> What flute?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >I was alluding to that ould orange one, but I see you jumped the gun
with
> >> >the Fenian Record Player. btw did you know that they sold records of
> >orange
> >> >songs/tunes in Smithfield Market?
> >>
> >> Ah! I see... Is that the one about the fella turning Catholic, but
his
> >flute stays
> >> Protestestant? If so, I'd love to have the lyrics!
> >
> >I thought that I had heard it sung on a Clancy Bros LP, but when I went
to
> >check couldn't find it on those I have. Can anyone let me know if indeed
it
> >was on one of their albums?, and if so, recording details please.
> >
> >Now that you're getting into the swing of parades etc ( you old
orangeman,
> >you ) have a listen to 'William Bloat' on the Clancy's "In Concert"
album. I
> >think you will like it.
>
According to the album blurb the song was really a commercial.....praising
the quality of Belfast linen and rubbishing crappy German metal. Any more to
say would spoil it for you, so go buy, listen and enjoy.
>
> As for be an "old orangeman"... me? Naw, I thought about posting bitter
attacks
Thought of it meself at times.
on the
> Orange men again this year... but feck it... I'm moderating my views and
they did ease
> off on the Drumcree thing - The trouble there was nothing to what it might
have been and
That was easing off?
> the OO did condem it...
About time.
So... instead I tried to find some thoughtful/funny stuff to post
> that looks at the whole orange/green thing without attacking one or the
other...
Always worthwhile, and to borr............hell, I'll steal from The Readers
Digest - "humour is the best medicine"
>
> BTW, I didn't know they even made records of orange songs/tunes let alone
sold
Judging from the one I bought you didn't miss much.
them in
> Smithfield Market of all places!
If you're making money...............who cares?
>The closest that I've come is when I was in the OO HQ
Never been there, so what's it like? and did they treat you well, or haven't
you acquired the John Wayne drawl yet?
> in Belfast and they had "Have an Orange Christmas" cards for sale.. I had
to laugh...
King Billy on a reindeer.............or orange snow?
--
Steve ;o)
>
> Ray
>
Fair @ballycastle.com.invalid Lammas Fair
>
> "WhiteWolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
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> > On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:52:08 +0100, "Steve"
> <SteveJ...@boobah.plus.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"WhiteWolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
> > >news:c00piuo86a8jmc5nf...@4ax.com...
> > >> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:29:45 +0100, "Steve"
> > ><SteveJ...@boobah.plus.com> wrote:
> > Snip
> > Snip
> > BTW, I didn't know they even made records of orange songs/tunes let
alone
> sold
>
> Judging from the one I bought you didn't miss much.
>
> them in
> > Smithfield Market of all places!
>
> If you're making money...............who cares?
In the late sixties, I had a friend who played in a Showband.
He also produced records.
I went to a few of the recording sessions.
(From what I remember they were recorded in a small studio, underneath a
Chapel, in central Belfast, not far from Smithfield )
He would get about five or six of his musical friends ( mixture of
Catholic / Protestant) to play in the recordings.
One week they would record Rebel songs, another week Orange ones.
They would make ficticious titles for the record sleeves.
"Shamus O'Farrell and the Rebelmen".. " Billy Bloggs and the Loyal Sons of
Ulster".. and the like.
They produced many LP's (also some so called "Pub songs")
The records sold great in America, Canada, Australia etc.
As you said above, if you're making money ............ who cares !!!
Regards.
Steve
> On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:16:53 +0100, "Steve"
<SteveJ...@boobah.plus.com> wrote:
> >"WhiteWolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
> >news:679uiuo2ivfije35i...@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:52:08 +0100, "Steve"
> ><SteveJ...@boobah.plus.com> wrote:
Chip-chip chiree (fed up with seeing snipsnip all the time)
>
> >> As for be an "old orangeman"... me? Naw, I thought about posting
bitter
> >attacks
> >
> >Thought of it meself at times.
> >
>
> It sorta depends on who's trolling on the newsgroup... I have memories of
a certain "Dave
> Moore" who I had strong arguments with about the 12th last time round...
Know how you feel, some folk take a positive (perverse?) delight in
antagonising others. The occasional (note to self: this has to mean plenty
of LEEway) wind-up can be quite amusing.
>
> >> BTW, I didn't know they even made records of orange songs/tunes let
alone
> >sold
> >
> >Judging from the one I bought you didn't miss much.
> >
> I figured that! You can' t beat the rebel songs! :-)
It depends on how I feel at the time or even where I am. I can recall a
Ginger Baker/Airforce Band (oh dear, dated already) concert in the Albert
Hall when he and Phil Seaman performed a drumming duet. Everyone, and I mean
everyone stood up, clapped whistled and cheered and WE ALL called for more.
Why?.....the atmosphere of the place.
I was, however, referring to the quality of the recording and the lack of
quality of the artistes. Now if Tommy and the Clancys had done the
album.............................
>
>
> > them in
> >> Smithfield Market of all places!
> >
> >If you're making money...............who cares?
> >
> I'd be of the mind of buying the recored just to deprive some Loyalist the
pleasure of
> buying it.. LOL!!
LOL indeed! but in this case you would have been doing them a favour. When
my brother asked if he could have it I didn't think twice. Never did like
him because he won all the arguments we had over comics. (I get to read 'em
first, 'cos not only am I older but I'm also a hell of a lot bigger - You
know the stuff, good solid reasoning)
>
> >>The closest that I've come is when I was in the OO HQ
> >
> I was tricked into the place... I should say we - My wife and I were lead
into the place
You mean they hid all the signs? Seems to me that Union Jacks and orange
banners and bunting would be a bit of a give-away.
> by our "guide" who knew what it was, but kept quiet because he wanted to
see what my
> reaction would be when I realised where I was... Inside it looked like a
tourist info
> centre... No loyalist thugs, no metal detectors - which was surprising...
The people
> that were there were very nice and allowed us upstairs to see the 1690
exhibit - on our
> own... Oh the temptation to wreck the place was sooooooo strong...
Now, now.........don't let those parochial Ca. tendencies get the better of
you. Always the same when country peasants get loose in a big
city......................... ;o)
King Billy's chair
> behind a small rope, a painting of the same on the wall... And a
recreation of the Battle
> of the Boyne as the centerpiece... You can see some of the pictures we
took at
> http://www.iol.ie/~rayh/north I tell you, I was just as glad to get out
of there...
> Immediately after that visit we drove round to SF HQ, but it was closed...
Yes, very good, tho' I was non-plussed at the start when the first picture I
saw was of Derry's walls (just like a Yank I thought, gets lost in such a
small country). My faith in your navigation was restored when I saw the
remaining shots (oops?), but to be honest I wanted to see if I could
recognise anything........and I can't. I was in Sandy Row once (I think)
when me and a friend followed a band, but on the whole we stayed on the
Grosvenor Road side of Boyne Bridge towards the city centre, cinemas and
Smithfield
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Steve
Steve
"Lammas Fair" <Lammas Fair @ Ballycastle .com.invalid> wrote in message
> "Steve" <SteveJ...@boobah.plus.com> wrote in message
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> > "WhiteWolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
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> > > On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:52:08 +0100, "Steve"
> > <SteveJ...@boobah.plus.com> wrote:
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> > > >"WhiteWolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
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> > > >> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:29:45 +0100, "Steve"
> > > ><SteveJ...@boobah.plus.com> wrote:
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> > > Snip
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> > > Smithfield Market of all places!
> >
> > If you're making money...............who cares?
>
> In the late sixties, I had a friend who played in a Showband.
> He also produced records.
> I went to a few of the recording sessions.
> (From what I remember they were recorded in a small studio, underneath a
> Chapel, in central Belfast, not far from Smithfield )
I remember seeing one Chapel about 5-10 mins walk away from the market, but
the only details I can recall are that it was dark & murky looking (must've
been raining), dark green grass (rain again) and a statue of Mary behind
railings. Was that the place? :o)
> He would get about five or six of his musical friends ( mixture of
> Catholic / Protestant) to play in the recordings.
One of my many regrets is that I never learnt to play a musical instrument.
I could of course sing (brilliantly, so my mother and gran said, and when I
was in the bathroom I sounded superb). At least until a friends wedding when
my wife nudged me rather hard and hissed at me to stop singing.
> One week they would record Rebel songs, another week Orange ones.
I grew up learning a hell of a lot of ballads and Rebel songs, but one
particular evening when I was trying to get to sleep I heard these guys on
the street outside singing Derry's Walls (the bars had closed and they were
on their way to Sandy Row - or was it Divis?). My curiosity was piqued and
that's why I ended up buying the record.
> They would make ficticious titles for the record sleeves.
> "Shamus O'Farrell and the Rebelmen".. " Billy Bloggs and the Loyal Sons of
> Ulster".. and the like.
I think I must have 'one' of these. It's called They Fought and Died for
Freedom by ?Tony Dawson and The Treaty Stones?
> They produced many LP's (also some so called "Pub songs")
> The records sold great in America, Canada, Australia etc.
So if they were that good, they didn't make the record I bought then?
>
> As you said above, if you're making money ............ who cares !!!
>
> Regards.
>
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Steve