Which period in history did the Celts cover?
Baz está fresco em Vermont.
Luke Goaman-Dodson wrote:
> How could a language just spread over the sea and suddenly be spoken by
> nearly all of the inhabitants?
>
> There is barrels of evidence against it, which I will recount if anyone
> asks.
> --
> Luke Goaman-Dodson
You can get Pepsi in Afghanistan, it is warm but you can get it. Now if
you are caught drinking it there might be a few problems. There were
Roman villas in Britain before the invasions as well.
Also at that point the various Celtic dialects were just that -
dialects. They were not quite full languages distinct from each other to
any extent. Complex legal concepts were congruent across 'cultures'.
They all had words for 'distraint' for example.
Baz está fresco em Vermont.
Dr Faust wrote:
>
> Archaeologically, early La Téne culture(recognizable as celtic), is
> found in the Rhineland about 475 BC. The celtic culture(which I suppose
> you mean)ends with Ireland going Christian 400-500 AD(Patrick arrived
> in 432 AD).
> The celtic "blood" were in 500 AD present in all of Europe, the British
> Isles, Asia minor and Scandinavia.
Christianity was thriving before Patrick arrived in Ireland. No culture
ended when he showed up. The Continental culture didn't end when he
went there either. The religious clique he was attached to might have
given pelagian 'culture' a hard time though.
Baz está fresco em Vermont.
JKavana705 wrote:
>
> >What then would we call these people as a whole???
>
> How about Galli? Gaul, Gael, Galatian, even "Wales", etc. Seems to be a prety
> common root for the people we know as "Celtic"
Xenophobia was a Celtic trait at one point. Religious conformity being
very important. The Boii and Spanish Celts might have went 'properly
mercantile' first. Laws existed to grant legal exemptions to a variety
of pilgrims.
The survival of smaller German tribes in areas solidly held by Celtic
militaries might indicate that the intruding Germans had simply 'went
native'. Their 'race' being less important than legalo-religious
conformity.
Nils K Hammer
OH, wow, an on topic post on the german bboard.
I was in Salzburg recently and I visited the Celtic museum in Hallstadt.
The stuff there was from about 2000 years ago. I liked it a lot, took
many notes, especially on bronze jewelry. The womens bronze link belts
were very much like the ones I've also seen from around 1400. A particularly
interesting thing was sombodies skull which had been struck with an axe or
sword, leaving a dent about 4.5 inches long and 3/4 inch wide, which had
been healed over. Hard heads, those folks.
nils
Nils K Hammer
Luke Goaman-Dodson
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> You can get Pepsi in Afghanistan, it is warm but you can get it. Now if
> you are caught drinking it there might be a few problems. There were
> Roman villas in Britain before the invasions as well.
>
> Also at that point the various Celtic dialects were just that -
> dialects. They were not quite full languages distinct from each other to
> any extent. Complex legal concepts were congruent across 'cultures'.
> They all had words for 'distraint' for example.
What are you on about now?
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Before you buy.
kfuzzbox
> OH, wow, an on topic post on the german bboard.
>
> I was in Salzburg recently and I visited the Celtic museum in Hallstadt.
About 10 years ago a mate and meself got roaring drunk at a couple of
pubs in the city centre of Salzburg and we went for a walk and found
ourselves in the park where Maria and the VonTrap kids did a part of
song 'Do a Deer...' in the film the Sound of Music. We were so pissed we
started reenacting that scene and singing the song. There was a bunch of
locals watching who were laughing and gave us all a big clap when we
finished. One of them came over and said. "You English are very, very
funny!" I was wearing an Irish soccer shirt at the time.
They may have a Celtic museum but the Austrians ain't paying attention.
Humanitas Catholic Fellowship
Luke Goaman-Dodson wrote:
>
> "Baz está fresco em Vermont." <gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote in
> message news:3A2DA9F3...@ntlworld.com...
> > All
> > Britons, including the Irish spoke a similar language, it was mutally
> > understandable between the P and Q and other variants.
>
> Rubbish. Go off and learn Cornish. Then go up to a Gaelic speaking area in
> Scotland. Tell me if any of the natives understand a word you say.
You don't have a clue. Some Scottish rivers by the way are named in
Welsh are they not? In the period I am discussing the P and Q dialects
would have been mutually understandable. In the common Celtic period
they'd obviously be the same.
Craig Cockburn
Catholic Fellowship <gregory....@ntlworld.com>
I think the P and Q variants ceased being mutually intelligible over
2000 years ago.
Some Scottish placenames do have Welsh origins - eg Pentlands, River
Avon, Aber- prefixes etc.
Craig
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Craig Cockburn wrote:
>
> I think the P and Q variants ceased being mutually intelligible over
> 2000 years ago.
>
I reckoned so myself.
"Roman villas existed before the Roman military showed up. The military
culture was a reference to the fact that Roman soldiers talked the same
way in the Tyne Tees region as they did in Arles or Trier or Egypt.
Britain was *too* Romanized in many respects. That is why it completely
fell to pieces when the civil servants scattered.
Money was dumped by the dock and never used. It was too Romanized. All
Britons, including the Irish spoke a similar language, it was mutally
understandable between the P and Q and other variants. A bit like
Arabic. Non-conformity to legalo-religious orthodoxy would have been
fairly unusual."
> Some Scottish placenames do have Welsh origins - eg Pentlands, River
> Avon, Aber- prefixes etc.
>
> Craig
Welsh imperialism must have been hard to endure, thank goodness the
Scots or whatever they were held out until they were liberated by
whoever.
Roge
"Humanitas Catholic Fellowship" <gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote in
message news:3A337207...@ntlworld.com...
>
>
> Craig Cockburn wrote:
>
> >
> > I think the P and Q variants ceased being mutually intelligible over
> > 2000 years ago.
> >
>
> I reckoned so myself.
>
> "Roman villas existed before the Roman military showed up. The military
> culture was a reference to the fact that Roman soldiers talked the same
> way in the Tyne Tees region as they did in Arles or Trier or Egypt.
>
> Britain was *too* Romanized in many respects. That is why it completely
> fell to pieces when the civil servants scattered.
>
> Money was dumped by the dock and never used. It was too Romanized. All
> Britons, including the Irish spoke a similar language, it was mutally
> understandable between the P and Q and other variants. A bit like
> Arabic. Non-conformity to legalo-religious orthodoxy would have been
> fairly unusual."
>
>
> > Some Scottish placenames do have Welsh origins - eg Pentlands, River
> > Avon, Aber- prefixes etc.
> >
> > Craig
>
>
> Welsh imperialism must have been hard to endure, thank goodness the
> Scots or whatever they were held out until they were liberated by
> whoever.
> Hello,
> > What kind of crap is that,money was dumped by the dock and never used?.
The celts minted their own coins as far as I know everywhere they
lived.
Roge
Luke Goaman-Dodson
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> You don't have a clue.
ROTFL. Especially rich from someone who appears to be posting in HTML.
> Some Scottish rivers by the way are named in
> Welsh are they not?
British, not Welsh. You would do well to realise that the British Celts
inhabited Scotland.
> In the period I am discussing the P and Q dialects
> would have been mutually understandable.
Bollocks. How do you know? How can you be sure if you are so utterly
clueless on the subject?
> In the common Celtic period they'd obviously be the
> same.
What on Earth are you talking about? When was this "common Celtic period"?
Mark Devlin
kfuz...@tinet.ie (kfuzzbox) wrote:
> About 10 years ago a mate and meself got roaring drunk at a couple of
> pubs in the city centre of Salzburg and we went for a walk and found
> ourselves in the park where Maria and the VonTrap kids did a part of
> song 'Do a Deer...' in the film the Sound of Music.
I think that one was in 'The Sound of Bestiality', actually.
--
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<ma...@TURN.ocixot.SMALL_LETTERS.ed.ROUND>
John Hooker
Roge wrote:
> > > What kind of crap is that,money was dumped by the dock and never used?.
> The celts minted their own coins as far as I know everywhere they
> lived.
Not all Celtic tribes minted coins -- none were minted in Ireland,
Scotland, Wales and Cornwall. Certain tribes did not issue coins, even
though tribes around them did. The earliest function for coinage in
the Celtic world was payment for troops during times of war. The
practice started with tribes that had served as mercenaries for the
Greeks in the 3rd cent. B.C. one of the earliest of these tribes that
I have been able to identify were the Ambiani, who served during the
campaigns of Antigonas Gonatas. They copied coins of Taras in Italy.
There is no difference in the relgious iconography of coins minted in
England and on the continent. Regional differences are not all
attributable to political boundaries: Armorican coins are
stylistically different from other regions in Celtica, yet there are
little differences between the coins of the Ambiani (Belgica) and the
Parisii (Celtica).
One Belgic tribe (the Nervii), did not allow traders into their
country and did not believe in trade at all -- yet they issued coins
for the payment of troops.
Those who would claim that there were no Celts in England, might have
a hard time explaining why there was more Celtic art made in England
than there was in Ireland, Scotland and Wales -- and infinitely more
than has been found from the very Celtic region of Armorica. All
design elements in British and Irish Celtic art derive from
continental prototypes, none derive from pre-Celtic English designs.
This is firm proof that all British Celtic art was made by Celts and
not some imagined and unnamed English culture. The time line of
developments in Celtic La Tene art show a clear dispersion from the
continent westward. The last developments in Celtic art are in
Ireland, and these evolve from slightly earlier British designs. The
earliest La Tene art shows up around the Rhine, and was developed out
of designs made by eastern Greek artisans that had moved to Etruria
seeking refuge from the Persians. Their products were traded up the
Rhine, perhaps for gold, in the 5th century B.C. Some of the earliest
German Celtic art incorporated some elements from the Urnfield
culture, and I believe that this culture was also Celtic, contrary to
the accepted belief that the earliest Celtic culture was Hallstatt.
The development of the Celtic language seems to indicate such a time
frame.
Regards,
John
Humanitas Catholic Fellowship
Luke Goaman-Dodson wrote:
>
> "Humanitas Catholic Fellowship" <gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote in
> message news:3A3336B3...@ntlworld.com...
>
> > You don't have a clue.
>
> ROTFL. Especially rich from someone who appears to be posting in HTML.
>
> > Some Scottish rivers by the way are named in
> > Welsh are they not?
>
> British, not Welsh. You would do well to realise that the British Celts
> inhabited Scotland.
The Act of Union was when? How can they therefore be properly 'British'?
You presumably mean the Britons who migrated to the west. The Scots have
landmarks and rivers named in the Welsh dialectical fashion if you
prefer to look at it in that context.
connochies
Of course they were British, in the sense of being Britons. The two tribes
in this area [south-east Scotland] were the Votadini and Selgovae and spoke
a P-Celtic tongue related to modern Welsh. They may be remembered, along
with other tribes, as the "men of the north" in Welsh tradition, but this
was never part of Wales. It was, for periods, part of Roman Britannia
however, in a period when Wales did not exist. So Britons, or even British,
is a more suitable adjective than Welsh.
Allan
Luke Goaman-Dodson
> The Act of Union was when? How can they therefore
> be properly 'British'? You presumably mean the Britons
> who migrated to the west. The Scots have landmarks
> and rivers named in the Welsh dialectical fashion if
> you prefer to look at it in that context.
I'm sorry, you are talking complete bollocks again. Please take a lie down
and take two dried frog pills.
Doug Weller
[SNIP]
> This is firm proof that all British Celtic art was made by Celts and
> not some imagined and unnamed English culture.
>
No one has made a claim for an 'English culture' so far as I know. Leaving
aside the question whether your claims actually cover Northumbria, Cumbria, etc
-- are you saying that the south of England was at this time (whenever you are
talking about) populated by Celtic migrants from Europe, or that the British
(which is what I think they were) had adopted some elements of European Celtic
culture (including the language).
Doug
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k...@em.lo.ammi (Mark Devlin) wrote:
> In article <2000121000...@p47.as1.sligo1.eircom.net>,
> kfuz...@tinet.ie (kfuzzbox) wrote:
>
> > About 10 years ago a mate and meself got roaring drunk at a couple
of
> > pubs in the city centre of Salzburg and we went for a walk and found
> > ourselves in the park where Maria and the VonTrap kids did a part of
> > song 'Do a Deer...' in the film the Sound of Music.
>
> I think that one was in 'The Sound of Bestiality', actually.
>
Sweeney
Derek Bell
: They may have a Celtic museum but the Austrians ain't paying attention.
My brother went into a shop in France some years ago and the
woman behind the counter started going "You English are so terrible..." while
she was serving him. He waited until she finished her rant, smiled and said
"We Irish understand what you mean!"
Derek
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Celts "covered".
A better question to my way of thinking is, "Were the Celts a race?".
I don't think there are any characteristics that apply to a
Celtic "race". I seems that the Celts were an amalgamation from many
different sources. There were tall, blondish Celts. There were
shorter, darker Celts. If it was one "race", how was that possible?
Just like their being a "race", I don't think there were any particular
systems or methods that can be applied to a Celtic society or
civilization. There were none such that can be construed to cover all
cases.
Gordon Reid Hale
Grand Prairie, Texas
Humanitas Catholic Fellowship
grha...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
> Just like their being a "race", I don't think there were any particular
> systems or methods that can be applied to a Celtic society or
> civilization. There were none such that can be construed to cover all
> cases.
>
> Gordon Reid Hale
> Grand Prairie, Texas
>
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How about their laws and religion?
Humanitas Catholic Fellowship
Doug Weller wrote:
> >
> No one has made a claim for an 'English culture' so far as I know. Leaving
> aside the question whether your claims actually cover Northumbria, Cumbria, etc
> -- are you saying that the south of England was at this time (whenever you are
> talking about) populated by Celtic migrants from Europe, or that the British
> (which is what I think they were) had adopted some elements of European Celtic
> culture (including the language).
>
> Doug
Celtic culture is reliant on migration in very large numbers. If the
British Isles are different then they are highly unusual. Everywhere
else it involved migration in large numbers and a lot of conflict.
John Hooker
> Doug Weller wrote:
>
> > >
> > No one has made a claim for an 'English culture' so far as I know. Leaving
> > aside the question whether your claims actually cover Northumbria, Cumbria, etc
> > -- are you saying that the south of England was at this time (whenever you are
> > talking about) populated by Celtic migrants from Europe, or that the British
> > (which is what I think they were) had adopted some elements of European Celtic
> > culture (including the language).
All of the evidence points to a complete replacement of previous
British artifact styles by a Celtic culture. If the British had
adopted some elements of European Celtic art, then there would have to
be two features of this art: there would be a number of previous
design elements that showed a continuity from the past and an
adaptation to the new influence, and there would be visible evidence
of a lack of understanding of previous developments in European art,
coupled with a lack of understanding of the tenets of that art. This
is not evident at all.
As for southern Britain, there is a late development of Belgic art
there, but most of the best examples of British Celtic art comes from
more remote areas of the west and north, including even south west
Scotland (Torrs style). There are also excellent examples from the
north east, although some of the most northern of these are rather
late. A very late, and elegant, development can be seen in northern
Ireland, and it has been suggested that repairs to the Torrs chamfrein
was made there.
Regards,
John
Iforani3
>Celtic culture is reliant on migration in very large numbers. If the
>British Isles are different then they are highly unusual. Everywhere
>else it involved migration in large numbers and a lot of conflict.
This can be seen from the Celts move into Northern Italy and thier move across
the Danube into Macednia and Turkey. /Torch\
Doug Weller
says...
Sharon L. Krossa
> Luke Goaman-Dodson wrote:
> >
> > "Baz está fresco em Vermont." <gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote in
> > message news:3A2DA9F3...@ntlworld.com...
>
> > > All
> > > Britons, including the Irish spoke a similar language, it was mutally
> > > understandable between the P and Q and other variants.
> >
>
> > Rubbish. Go off and learn Cornish. Then go up to a Gaelic speaking area in
> > Scotland. Tell me if any of the natives understand a word you say.
>
> You don't have a clue. Some Scottish rivers by the way are named in
> Welsh are they not?
Well, yes (soft of -- not really in Welsh but in a closely related
Brythonic language), because in the area that is now Scotland there used
to live people who spoke a Brythonic language usually called Cumbric (in
contrast to different people who spoke a Goidelic language called
Gaelic). This no more proves that the P- and Q- branches of the Celtic
language family were mutually intelligible at this time (roughly 4/5th -
9/10th centuries A.D. you had both in Scotland) than having Brythonic
and Germanic place names in England proves that Anglo-Saxon and Welsh
were mutually intelligible.
>In the period I am discussing the P and Q dialects
> would have been mutually understandable.
And exactly which period is that? (And doesn't this misunderstanding of
which period people are talking about rather prove my point that the
term "Celts" doesn't contain as much information as people assume?)
>In the common Celtic period
> they'd obviously be the same.
And when are you claiming this period to have been?
Sharon
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> Well, yes (soft of -- not really in Welsh but in a closely related
> Brythonic language), because in the area that is now Scotland there used
> to live people who spoke a Brythonic language usually called Cumbric (in
> contrast to different people who spoke a Goidelic language called
> Gaelic).
Didn't residues of Cumbric survive until quite recently in Cumbria? I seem
to recall reading something about shepherds counting.
Robin.
indr...@my-deja.com
of Celtic migrations into Britain, it is increasingly becoming evident
that we cannot always accurately correlate the movement of peoples with
the available archaeological and genetic data.
Recently, some have been using the genetic studies to discount a strong
Celtic presence in Britain by saying that the majority if people in
Britain are descended from pre-Neolithic and early Neolithic peoples.
What they fail to mention (or understand) is that the Celtic people of
the Continent are descended from these same same people! In fact, 80%
of all Europeans are descended from these early European populations.
How are you going to isolate later Celtic migrations from these
early "non-Celtic" migrations, when the same genes exist on both sides
of the Channel? To make things worse, some geneticists and
archaeologists think that there is very little "Celtic" blood in
Britons based on the illfounded notion that Celtic culture only emerged
around the 6th century BC! Because they see little migration into
Britain during this period, they come to the conclusion that Celts were
only ever a minority. They fail to understand that 6th century BC is
merely the first time that Celts enetered RECORDED history and that
they likely existed a full millenium before that, if not longer!
We get into further problems when we realize that the available genetic
tests are quite selective, only taking into consideration genes from a
portion of your mother or father's lineage which can easily leave wide
gaps in our knowledge of whom modern and ancient populations are
descended from.
What is happening is that data is being skewed to fit pet theories. I
would wager that if we were to examine the skull record (an often
despised science because of its misuse by racists earlier in this
century, which is unfortunate), we would probably get a better idea of
the ethnic affinities between the Bronze Age people of Britain and Gaul
(a time that I think Celtic culture was emerging in Britain and
Ireland).
-Chris Gwinn
Alexander Maclennan
>>
> Didn't residues of Cumbric survive until quite recently in Cumbria? I
> seem to recall reading something about shepherds counting.
> Robin.
I have heard the count recited to me by a young farmer in the East Riding of
Yorkshire about 25 years ago. I think it is one of these relics passed
around like methods for making corn dollies. They probably count the sheep
by modern methods, ie count the legs and divide by four.
--
Alexander MacLennan sand...@sandymac.demon.co.uk
Doug Weller
[SNIP]
> What is happening is that data is being skewed to fit pet theories. I
> would wager that if we were to examine the skull record (an often
> despised science because of its misuse by racists earlier in this
> century, which is unfortunate), we would probably get a better idea of
> the ethnic affinities between the Bronze Age people of Britain and Gaul
> (a time that I think Celtic culture was emerging in Britain and
> Ireland).
>
The research done in 1917 by Franz Boas showed significant differences between
the skulls of immigrants and their children, so I'm not at all sure that this is
a useful way to proceed.
The archaeological record in the British Isles shows continuity, not the sort of
discontinuity that one sees clearly that is evidence for a massive Celtic
migration into northern Italy.
Luke Goaman-Dodson
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> Recently, some have been using the genetic studies to
> discount a strong Celtic presence in Britain by saying
> that the majority if people in Britain are descended from
> pre-Neolithic and early Neolithic peoples.
How does one tell Celtic genes from any other, given the uncertainty
over what really happened?
Bryn Fraser
<bel...@btinternet.com> writes
The rivets are placed differently from Levis...
>
Bryn Fraser
Issues? You think *You* have issues?
Terry McT
The Celtic ones are wearing teeny tiny torques.
Terry
Madra Dubh
"Bryn Fraser" <br...@finhall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <91gd4b$aik$1...@neptunium.btinternet.com>, Luke Goaman-Dodson
> <bel...@btinternet.com> writes
> ><indr...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> >news:91dh17$42d$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >> Recently, some have been using the genetic studies to
> >> discount a strong Celtic presence in Britain by saying
> >> that the majority if people in Britain are descended from
> >> pre-Neolithic and early Neolithic peoples.
> >
> >How does one tell Celtic genes from any other, given the uncertainty
> >over what really happened?
>
> The rivets are placed differently from Levis...
Exactly, Bryn. Heavily riveted in the crotch area, they were, to avoid
unseemly ripouts.
-Conway
Luke Goaman-Dodson
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> The Celtic ones are wearing teeny tiny torques.
And big moustaches.
Searles O'Dubhain
Searles
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Chic McGregor
From now, backwards to pre-history.
BTW no such thing as THE Celts. Celtic culture is exactly that, a
CULTURE. It is not a genetic classification.
It is currently the primary cultural influence in Europe (and America)
and has been for several hundred years.
regards
chic
Madra Dubh
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-Conway
Chic McGregor
<Madr...@Fire.Brimstone> wrote:
OK I should have added IMO.
But...
It all depends what you mean by being 'Germanic'.
Hopefully the genetic thang is being killed off once and for all by
DNA analysis.
Unfortunately, however, many people seem to be unable to see past the
language barrier when it comes to cultural definition.
IMO language has very little impact on the shared values and belief
systems which really define a culture and it's artistic, literary and
technological output, as well as it's moral and social benchmarks.
I'm not going to drag arguments that most on the group have heard
before into this thread, but the bottom line is that the 'Germanic
people' (meaning those people who benchmarked themselves against a
common belief system which may sensibly be designated 'Germanic')
gradually adopted the belief system of Celtic Europe (as had
Meditteranic Europe earlier).
Of course there are secondary modifications to the Primary shared
beliefs and values and these consist of prioritisation of values and
are usually along national lines.
Western Culture would have been quite different today if the Germanic
primary ethos had won out.
regards
chic
Madra Dubh
>
> >> It is currently the primary cultural influence in Europe (and America)
> >> and has been for several hundred years.
> >>
> >The Germanic folks might tend to disagree wich yez.
> >-Conway
> >
>
> Hopefully the genetic thang is being killed off once and for all by
> DNA analysis.
>
> Unfortunately, however, many people seem to be unable to see past the
> language barrier when it comes to cultural definition.
> IMO language has very little impact on the shared values and belief
> systems which really define a culture and it's artistic, literary and
> technological output, as well as it's moral and social benchmarks.
>
> I'm not going to drag arguments that most on the group have heard
> before into this thread, but the bottom line is that the 'Germanic
> people' (meaning those people who benchmarked themselves against a
> common belief system which may sensibly be designated 'Germanic')
> gradually adopted the belief system of Celtic Europe (as had
> Meditteranic Europe earlier).
>
> Of course there are secondary modifications to the Primary shared
> beliefs and values and these consist of prioritisation of values and
> are usually along national lines.
>
> Western Culture would have been quite different today if the Germanic
> primary ethos had won out.
>
observe the inhabitants to see that there is a pronounced difference between
their lifestyles and outlook on life and those of their "Germanic"
neighbors.
Now I'm not talking genetics here, rather those family/community values that
have been passed down from generation to generation, values which still
strongly influence both groups.
A case in point: can you really imagine a group of Germanic folk engaging in
a sheep shagging contest?
There you have it.
-Conway
Doug Weller
says...
[SNIP]
> BTW no such thing as THE Celts. Celtic culture is exactly that, a
> CULTURE. It is not a genetic classification.
>
> It is currently the primary cultural influence in Europe (and America)
> and has been for several hundred years.
>
European Celtic culture has only existed for a couple of hundred years and is
not 'the primary cultural influence in Europe' -- I don't think that anyone who
has actually travelled in Europe would make such a claim. Even in western
Europe it is only one of several cultural influences.
Micheil
McGregor) wrote:
>Hopefully the genetic thang is being killed off once and for all by
>DNA analysis.
>
>Unfortunately, however, many people seem to be unable to see past the
>language barrier when it comes to cultural definition.
>IMO language has very little impact on the shared values and belief
>systems which really define a culture and it's artistic, literary and
>technological output, as well as it's moral and social benchmarks.
I can't believe you wrote that.
If you were a native Mohawk speaker, would you notwithstanding share
the values and belief systems, artistic, literary and technological
output, as well as moral and social benchmarks of the southern Scots?
Of the Zulus? The Swiss? The Mongols? The Trobriand Islanders?
I think not.
- měcheil
- innis dhomh sgéile mu 'n Thěr nan Ňg...
Micheil
wrote:
>In article <3a3ea5eb...@news.ntlworld.com>, charles....@ntlworld.com
>says...
>
>[SNIP]
>
>> BTW no such thing as THE Celts. Celtic culture is exactly that, a
>> CULTURE. It is not a genetic classification.
>>
>> It is currently the primary cultural influence in Europe (and America)
>> and has been for several hundred years.
>>
>European Celtic culture has only existed for a couple of hundred years and is
>not 'the primary cultural influence in Europe'
So much for the Bretons and Galicians. For the twenties counting
system still used in French. One can only hope that you have more
skills with which to earn a living than your demonstrated concept of
European Celtic culture.
Chic McGregor
At one time I would have agreed with you, but have since come to
realise that such associations of language and culture that exist are
illusory and transient.
Cultures can expand, shrink and move quite independently of language
and vice versa.
Examples abound from the recently ended Imperial age where Imperial
powers would usually, for obvious control purposes, instill their
language into their colonies, e.g. French, Spanish, English etc.
However, the underlying culture in most cases remained intact.
Now one can argue whether this was simply because the Imperial power
did not seek to change the culture or whether it is that culture is
more resistant to change than language.
I think the latter, at least at the primary level.
Another example in reverse is the rapid uptake of Western culture in
Japan at all levels but with no significant transference of any
Western language.(or movement of people for that matter).
There is linkage between the two for geographical considerations. At
any moment in history the people occupying a geographical region may
speak the same language and share a culture. Either, of these may
have transferred into the region , but such association is indirect
and not at all inseparable.
Of course language can become a cultural icon as much as other
transients like clothing or food and drink, but none of these have a
significant impact on the underlying belief systems.
Even without external influence, languages change fairly rapidly, or
at least they did before dictionaries came along.
What I am saying is that even if there were only one language in the
World, there would still be as many cultures as there are. In fact I
believe that if that were the case that cultural adherents would have
a more conscious appreciation of their culture's values.
The emotional attachment one naturally has to one's own language
frequentlty leads to an unconscious willingness to distort the past
as well as the present, and the Gael can be just as guilty of such as
the most rabid of Anglo-Saxon histographers. In extreme cases it can
even lead to delusions of a genetic nature and hence nasty, negative,
exclusive, Nationalism (as opposed to nice, culturally based,
positive, inclusive, nationalism).
regards
chic
Doug Weller
culture the primary cultural influence in Europe!
DOug
Rebel Countess
kfuzzbox wrote:
> Chic McGregor <charles....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> > In fact I
> > believe that if that were the case that cultural adherents would have
> > a more conscious appreciation of their culture's values.
>
> Remember when Princess Margaret referred to the Irish as "a race of
> pigs"?
Did she now? The cow.
Micheil
Well, the IRA had just murdered her uncle by blowing his yacht up with
a bomb. Under those circumstances, she was bound to be a little upset.
Being the IRA, they also managed to kill two innocent Irish youths.
From their point of view, "two more martyrs for The Cause". To the
families who loved them, two boys sacrificed to Irish incompetence.
There's something about the IRA that screams, "These people are unfit
to control a shite heap, let alone a country". While highly receptive
to freedom from English control, I still see a difference between the
patriots of the past and crude killers like Gerry Adams, Martin
MacGuinness and their ilk, who order murder like you order pizza.
If I came round and blasted your children's brains across the kitchen
wall, would you be rushing to my bed to confirm your appreciation?
westprog 2000
kfuz...@tinet.ie (kfuzzbox) wrote:
"Yes indeed you English are the most sexually retarded people on earth
with your Carry-On films and Benny Hill"
"The most sexually unsophisticated people on the planet are the English
males. "
"You Englishmen have been genetically formulated towards premature
ejaculations and bad complexions. "
"The whole British Empire was driven by sexual inadequacy and tiny
penises
...
They ended-up arse shagging each other and hosting The Antiques
Roadshow. "
"We are much better looking than the English as well"
"you Americans for the most part do not understand humour or satire "
> I would never call an entire race of people "pigs"
> PS: Des, I'll be in Dublin on the 27th and I'll do my best to make it
> to O'Neills if I can.
Everybody will be there.
--
J/ (Looking Backward)
SOTW: "California Girls" - The Beach Boys
"If it doesn't have hazelnuts, it's a shite recipe."
Doug Weller
> female plantation owner with her young negro bucks.
>
Crawl back under your stone, please.
gregory....@ntlworld.com
kfuzzbox wrote:
>
> "Irish incompetence" had nothing to do with at all. The IRA simply
> didn't care who else was on the boat no more than the cared that an
> Asian shopkeeper was killed at Canary Wharf for Ireland. They are
> killers and they murder people. Happens everywhere. I am not defending
> them as I know somebody who was shot dead by the IRA and I saw first
> hand the effects it had on their families. For you as a British person
> to sit there and claim that people in this and other countries died
> because of "Irish incompetence" I find just as sickening. If was the
> British who created, fucked-up and made a mess of Northern Ireland not
> the Irish.
Lord Mountbatten had 28 bodyguards. The register of 'lone twins' was
started (1989) by Timothy Knatchbull, he was severely injured (in the
explosion) when his brother 14 year old Nicolas died. I gather he is
partially blind and deaf, he later worked in TV and media. Both kids
went to Gordonstoun.
Peter Grundy of the Parachute regiment for was ironically given a trophy
by Lord Mountbatten before he even enlisted. He escaped the massacre of
his colleagues at Warrenpoint by changing vehicles. He was later killed
in a farm building in Tullyconnel Armagh 16 December 1979.
Lady Brabourne (82) died in hospital the day after the explosion. The
IRA were on the scene early in the war, they wanted the castle for the
Catholic refugees, it was inevitable they'd eventually return to it. 15
year old Phillip Maxwell who was also killed has a memorial plaque at
Portora school (in the chapel).
"They that go down to the sea in ships and occupy their business in
great waters: these men see the works of the Lord: and his words in the
deep".
Michael Hudson was killed shortly afterwards on an Island opposite
Narrow water Castle. Angry British soldiers shot the first 'Irishman'
they could find. He was one of the Queen's coachmen and was on holiday,
his parents lived in the Royal Mews. Warrenpoint and the Mountbatten
bombing happened on the same day. Eighteen soldiers died that day.
>
> Again this is bullshit. There is no evidence that either Gerry Adams,
> Martin McGuinness have ever killed anybody and both of them have been
> victims of gunmen themselves. There is however, more and more evidence
> that that British politicians not only ordered the murder of innocent
> civilians in Derry on Bloody Sunday, but that also the single greatest
> act of murder in during the entire history of the troubles; the Dublin
> and Monahagan bombings was most likely set-up by British intelligence
> working alongside Loyalists paramilitaries.
The forensic evidence from those bombings was handed over to the very
British army officer who actually planned it, needless to say he was not
going to implicate himself. The British army regarded Ireland as the
third world and had nothing other than contempt for Irish people.
The British officer was executed in mysterious circumstances by an
individual who the RUC had ensured would not spend too much time in
jail. The same individual was linked to the RUC officers involved in
the bombing and shooting campaigns in Armagh, the Rock bar at Keady for
example.
Eyewitness testimony to his murders was water off a duck's back, the RUC
protected him. He later killed the British army officer for reasons
only he knew. He was called 'the jackal'.
anita.gordon
very acurate
quite refreshing
<gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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gregory....@ntlworld.com
kfuzzbox wrote:
>
> Doug Weller <dwe...@ramtops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In article <2000122123...@p139.as1.sligo1.eircom.net>,
> > kfuz...@tinet.ie says...
> >
> > > female plantation owner with her young negro bucks. > Crawl back under
> > your stone, please.
>
> How many people from Saint Croix have you known? I was told this from a
> bloke from Saint Croix. His claimed that his brother fucked Princess
> Margaret while he was delivering drink to her house.
I had the same doctor as Princess Margaret adjacent Harley Street. It
was a private clinic obviously. A lot of rich people went there who had
developed habits which they needed or wanted to lose. I was referred
there by a doctor on Lensfield Road Cambridge. One needed cash to get in
the door.
I was in media and publishing and broadcast and music. Draw your own
conclusions. I'd taken the 13th floor elevators too seriously. The
Velvet Underground didn't do me any good either. After the New York
Dolls gor re-released on Mercury I was clearly going to need to spend a
lot of cash in and around Harley Street or else turn into Andy Warhol.
Tony Cooper
> "Yes indeed you English are the most sexually retarded people on earth
> with your Carry-On films and Benny Hill"
>
> "The most sexually unsophisticated people on the planet are the English
> males. "
>
> "You Englishmen have been genetically formulated towards premature
> ejaculations and bad complexions. "
>
> "The whole British Empire was driven by sexual inadequacy and tiny
> penises
> ...
> They ended-up arse shagging each other and hosting The Antiques
> Roadshow. "
>
> "We are much better looking than the English as well"
>
> "you Americans for the most part do not understand humour or satire "
>
> > I would never call an entire race of people "pigs"
>
The petard is still the most effective weapon in NG posting. Westprog is a
mighty hoister.
--
Tony Cooper aka: Tony_Co...@Yahoo.com
Provider of Jots & Tittles
Micheil
>
>
>kfuzzbox wrote:
>
>>
>> "Irish incompetence" had nothing to do with at all. The IRA simply
>> didn't care who else was on the boat no more than the cared that an
>> Asian shopkeeper was killed at Canary Wharf for Ireland. They are
>> killers and they murder people. Happens everywhere. I am not defending
>> them as I know somebody who was shot dead by the IRA and I saw first
>> hand the effects it had on their families. For you as a British person
>> to sit there and claim that people in this and other countries died
>> because of "Irish incompetence" I find just as sickening. If was the
>> British who created, fucked-up and made a mess of Northern Ireland not
>> the Irish.
I agree entirely. I should have written "IRA incompetence" and I
apologize for ascribing incompetence to the Irish, many of whom are
extremely competent, and many others of whom are irredeemably brain
dead.
British incompetence is always assumed and so does not need to be
specified, except in my case. I am extremely competent and that is why
I am here, writing this reply to your email.
I would venture to say that there is substantial evidence that Adams
ordered people killed while he was in charge of East Belfast, which in
law is considered the same as killing them personally. I have no doubt
that eventually someone will shoot him. "Live by the gun, etc."
>The forensic evidence from those bombings was handed over to the very
>British army officer who actually planned it, needless to say he was not
>going to implicate himself. The British army regarded Ireland as the
>third world and had nothing other than contempt for Irish people.
>
>The British officer was executed in mysterious circumstances by an
>individual who the RUC had ensured would not spend too much time in
>jail. The same individual was linked to the RUC officers involved in
>the bombing and shooting campaigns in Armagh, the Rock bar at Keady for
>example.
>
>Eyewitness testimony to his murders was water off a duck's back, the RUC
>protected him. He later killed the British army officer for reasons
>only he knew. He was called 'the jackal'.
It's a tough world all over.
Micheil
wrote:
>Micheil <mic...@arainnmhor.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:31:09 GMT, Rebel Countess
>> <globa...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
>>
>> >kfuzzbox wrote:
>
>> >> Remember when Princess Margaret referred to the Irish as "a race of
>> >> pigs"?
>> >
>> >Did she now? The cow.
>> >
>> Well, the IRA had just murdered her uncle by blowing his yacht up with
>> a bomb. Under those circumstances, she was bound to be a little upset.
>
>I don't buy that. Two innocent Irish people were blown to bits on that
>boat as well. Princess Margaret is a miserable oul parasitic bag by the
>best of times. She lived down in Saint Croix (thanks to your taxes) in a
>luxury villa doing almost nothing to pay it back to the British people.
>She spent most of her time time being fucked by local black young lads
>whom she picked up around the island and gave them money if they would
>fuck her. This is well known on Saint Croix. She likes to play the
>female plantation owner with her young negro bucks. She legally can't do
>it anymore so she pays for it. With you taxes BTW.
Not mine, old mate - I got out years ago and live in a former colony
>> Being the IRA, they also managed to kill two innocent Irish youths.
>> From their point of view, "two more martyrs for The Cause". To the
>> families who loved them, two boys sacrificed to Irish incompetence.
>
>"Irish incompetence" had nothing to do with at all. The IRA simply
>didn't care who else was on the boat no more than the cared that an
>Asian shopkeeper was killed at Canary Wharf for Ireland. They are
>killers and they murder people. Happens everywhere. I am not defending
>them as I know somebody who was shot dead by the IRA and I saw first
>hand the effects it had on their families. For you as a British person
>to sit there and claim that people in this and other countries died
>because of "Irish incompetence" I find just as sickening. If was the
>British who created, fucked-up and made a mess of Northern Ireland not
>the Irish.
>
>> There's something about the IRA that screams, "These people are unfit
>> to control a shite heap, let alone a country". While highly receptive
>> to freedom from English control, I still see a difference between the
>> patriots of the past and crude killers like Gerry Adams, Martin
>> MacGuinness and their ilk, who order murder like you order pizza.
>
>Again this is bullshit. There is no evidence that either Gerry Adams,
>Martin McGuinness have ever killed anybody and both of them have been
>victims of gunmen themselves. There is however, more and more evidence
>that that British politicians not only ordered the murder of innocent
>civilians in Derry on Bloody Sunday, but that also the single greatest
>act of murder in during the entire history of the troubles; the Dublin
>and Monahagan bombings was most likely set-up by British intelligence
>working alongside Loyalists paramilitaries. Again I am not defending the
>IRA as I think they are murderers, but I have more respect for them than
>I do a British government (or any government) who uses its democratic
>mandate to murder people anywhere in the world while standing on it's
>moral podium judging all and sundry. Look at Sierra Leone. British
>troops are killing at will down there. They have no business being
>there. The diamond trade is facilitated by Western governments and these
>are the same ones sending their armies into Africa to keep this little
>scam afloat. Human rights has nothing to do with it. US troops in the
>Balkans are raping and murdering little girls. French troops are
>shooting young Serbian males dead. Again why are these troops there? To
>keep the peace?
>Gimme a break, the body count in Northern Ireland only
>really got started when the British Army landed there and started their
>'peace keeping'.
The British Army was initially sent there to defend the Catholic
population, which responded by using them as cover to harass
Protestants. Once the Army proved its impartiality by smacking the
Catholics, all hell broke loose. In a word, the bad faith started with
the Catholics. I know a lot more about this story than you seem to.
>"Imperial incompetence" I would say. What can be more
>dehumanising that having to wake up every morning and see that the
>streets than you live on are filled with heavily armed troops ready to
>kill you at any moment if need be? Where is sense in doing this? The
>psychological and social implications effect everybody from the
>residents to the troops themselves. It's a stupid failed system that
>creates more problems than it solves and yet governments continue to do
>it as a way of oppressing communities and keeping them in check. A sort
>of 'stay at home' prison. Guilty by ethnic background, religion, social
>status (as long as you're poor). Where in the world has such a system
>worked? The soldiers are there to subjugate and not police the area.
Would you rather have the Canadians, the only NATO force which always
fires back to kill, and as a result is rarely attacked? Have you ever
been a soldier under those circumstances and had your nose broken by a
thrown rock? Have you ever been ambushed by men armed with sawn-off
shotguns when you were alone?
After a few episodes like that you're ready to do what Lieutenant
Calley and his men did at My Lai - shoot any f*cking thing that moves.
One of the things I've always thought unsual about the regular British
Army, that is to say, the English part of it, was their general
unwillingness to open fire with deadly intent on civilians.
I've seen other armies in action and some are chilling, especially the
French, who kill indiscriminately. Now the Foreign Legion is only
accepting Spetsnaz (Soviet SAS) as recruits - how would you fancy them
patrolling your streets? In Afghanistan every prisoner they took died
in screaming agony. Just like in Chechnaya. Nobody worries about the
Geneva Convention east of the Urals.
>Makes no difference if it's in Belfast, West Bank or Kosovo. There may
>be one side that is being projected, but there is always an other side
>than is being oppressed. Soldiers DO take sides - this is what they are
>paid to do. If they British troops were sent into Northern Ireland with
>the primary objective of hardening and training them in the skills of
>urban warfare and social disturbances operations for the day when they
>would be needed to shoot dead people on the streets of Glasgow,
>Liverpool, Manchester and Brixton then I can well believe it. The
>British Empire and state was only ever about the protection of the
>ruling classes. Ted Heath never hosted Songs of Praise in Kirby.
That's a load of crap. Soldiers have to be taught to hate before they
can kill like that and the British Army never had much success in that
respect because the average swaddie is basically a decent bloke.
What turned their stomachs in Ireland was seeing the sheer savagery
and brutality of the civil population. Most ordinary soldiers will
only shoot back in self-defence; the real killers are shunted into the
specialist regiments. The reason those sorts of regiments operate in
NI is because they're up against real killers. And once atrocities
start, they escalate fast. Then real hatred takes over and people are
tortured and beaten and murdered in cold blood and subjected to all
the other jolly fun and games that characterize mob rule.
Have you ever heard of people being kneecapped by British soldiers? At
least there are still some standards of decency observed by the Brits.
>> If I came round and blasted your children's brains across the kitchen
>> wall, would you be rushing to my bed to confirm your appreciation?
>>
>> I think not.
>
>I never supporting anything like this and I would never call an entire
>race of people "pigs" either because of it because of the actions of a
>few. I went to a shitty comprehensive school in Dublin and Princess
>Margaret went to a posh boarding school with every advantage in life
>paid for by the sweat of others including the tens of thousands of
>Irishmen who died in British uniform throughout the world to keep her in
>the lifestyle to which she has become accustomed. So I must be smarter
>and more enlightened than she is. Go figure! She is an miserable,
>bigoted old slapper and that's all there is to it.
She's just that. How do you expect her to react? Dispassionately?
>I don't take sides if
>I can help it and I do believe that in many cases both sides can be
>wrong. But if I was forced into a corner to protect myself and my family
>I am not so sure that I would have time to rationalise and moralise the
>whole situation especially if British Paratroopers are firing live ammo
>at me in the Bogside.
Or if the IRA was doing the same. Believe me, you don't rationalize,
you just kill or be killed. I don't think you even know what's going
on. Don't you know that the Brits know just about everyone connected
with "The Cause" and where they can find them?
It damn near came to that some years ago, when it looked like there
would be a general slaughter, including the Army Council being iced in
the Republic. However, cooler heads prevailed - apart from anything
else, it would have looked horrible at the inevitable UN Security
Council emergency meeting.
>Nobody was firing live ammo at Princess Margaret
>when she made that infamous "race of pigs" comment. She had time and the
>best educational background to collect her thoughts before making such a
>statement. She was wrong and there is no excuses even if she was upset
>at the murder of her uncle. And then to add insult to injury Buckingham
>Palace releases some press statement that she did not say that but what
>she really said was "The Irish are always dancing their jigs". I guess
>the thick paddy jokes were very popular in the royal court around that
>time as well?
Yeah, well, I suppose when the IRA does something nice for them, like
murdering a family member, it is a bit gauche to start complaining and
casting aspersions on the nation which provided the killers. Nice IRA
bomb men; gross, ungrateful Royals!
Are you really this far out to lunch?
>If some of the comments made by Prince Philip regarding
>'slanty eyed japanese' recently is anything to go by then one could only
>imagine the sort of comments being thrown around the royal box at Ascot.
>But at least as a representative of British ideals Princess Margaret was
>being perfectly honest about how the British have really viewed the
>Irish (and the Scots and Welsh) and in that I cannot fault her. She is a
>product of what she is and all she can ever be. Thanks god I live in a
>country where my taxes don't have to pay to keep a bunch of inbred
>Germans sheltered from reality.
Thank God I don't live in a country where thugs murder anyone with the
acquiescence of the locals who gets in the way of their drug deals.
>Happy Soltice, Chanuka, Kwanza, Ramadan, Christmas (whatever you are
>having yourself or if nothing at all) and a Happy New Year to all folks
>on all the newsgroups and let's hope that 2001 is a little more sane
>than 2000. We can only hope I guess.
Same to you. I'm going to sit home and check my left ear collection -
it's how the Gurkhas keep score. My score dried very nicely after
living in a freezer for some years. I wonder if I should smoke them to
preserve them properly so they don't look like tree fungi?
(I'm teasing you - for Christ's sake, lighten up!)
>PS: Des, I'll be in Dublin on the 27th and I'll do my best to make it to
>O'Neills if I can.
>
>--
>kfuz...@tinet.ie
Micheil
wrote:
>In article <2000122123...@p139.as1.sligo1.eircom.net>, kfuz...@tinet.ie
>moderation
The *nglish vice.
westprog 2000
kfuz...@tinet.ie (kfuzzbox) wrote:
> However I do love generalisation
Everyone on SCI loves generalisation.
> > > PS: Des, I'll be in Dublin on the 27th and I'll do my best to
> > > make it to O'Neills if I can.
> > Everybody will be there.
> Good. Have a Castrol GTX and Red Bull waiting for me. I bet I'll be
> the best looking man there and the most popular as well.
Don't discount the envy of the less well endowed.
> I am a coital terrorist.
A two-minute warning is totally inadequate.
>Last night I got very drunk and and anal sex with a budgie. I am not
>boasting mind you...
Getting the feathers out is painful and messy, isn't it?
Ian Chapman
kfuzzbox <kfuz...@tinet.ie> wrote in message
news:2000122213...@p231.as1.sligo1.eircom.net...
> Micheil <mic...@arainnmhor.com> wrote:
>
>
> > I agree entirely. I should have written "IRA incompetence" and I
> > apologize for ascribing incompetence to the Irish, many of whom are
> > extremely competent, and many others of whom are irredeemably brain
> > dead.
>
>
> an anti-Irish bigot. I was actually surprised when you wrote "Irish
> incompetence" because that's more of a Keith Mills kind of thing. But I
> have to make sure you understand. I only ever wear a condom when I am
> within 100 miles of Pelican House. I am currently flogging around a
> script for a sitcom I wrote which takes place in a pirate TV station on
> the Cavan/Armagh border. I am trying to get somebody in Ireland
> interested. Nobody north or south will touch it. The phrase 'a prophet
> is not welcome in his own land' certainly applies to me. The money would
> be nice as well. It's the best thing I have ever done yet and I am my
> own worse critic. The only people who seem remotely interested are all
> English producers. There is nothing Paddywackery about it at all yet the
> Irish won't touch it. The English love it while Irish love it but are
> afraid to admit it publically. Thanks god for the English as the Irish
> are incompetent when it comes to television. The English can laugh at
> the absurdity of their culture while the Irish are still looking for
> somebody to offended them - the ones who make TV programmes anyway. What
> are the rents in London and Manchester like these days...
>
Yes, but what if we don't want you over here.
Doug Weller
Doug Weller
>
> A two-minute warning is totally inadequate.
>
> >Last night I got very drunk and and anal sex with a budgie. I am not
> >boasting mind you...
>
> Getting the feathers out is painful and messy, isn't it?
>
Hysterical. Thanks.
Micheil
wrote:
>In article <3a430d46.15599251@news>, mic...@arainnmhor.com says...
>>
>> On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:37:07 GMT, Doug Weller <dwe...@ramtops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <2000122123...@p139.as1.sligo1.eircom.net>, kfuz...@tinet.ie
>> >says...
>> >
>> >> female plantation owner with her young negro bucks.
>> >>
>> >Crawl back under your stone, please.
>> >
>> >Doug
>> >--
>> > Doug Weller member of moderation panel sci.archaeology.moderated
>> > Submissions to: sci-archaeol...@medieval.org
>> > Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk
>> > Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details
>>
>>
>> >moderation
>>
>> The *nglish vice.
>>
>I don't know, I'm American.
>
>Doug
Well you know now. With a name like Doug Weller, you have to be of
*nglish descent. Try not to fret about it; someone in Yoosa has to be
descended from Britain's bully boys.
Micheil
wrote:
>Micheil <mic...@arainnmhor.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Yeah, well, I suppose when the IRA does something nice for them, like
>> murdering a family member, it is a bit gauche to start complaining and
>> casting aspersions on the nation which provided the killers. Nice IRA
>> bomb men; gross, ungrateful Royals!
>>
>> Are you really this far out to lunch?
>
>
>Last night I got very drunk and and anal sex with a budgie. I am not
>boasting mind you...
Considering your sexual partner, you obviously don't have a lot to
boast about.
Still, you're probably a fab kisser for girls who don't think they can
handle any more of you than that without tossing their cookies.
Micheil
wrote:
>Micheil <mic...@arainnmhor.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I agree entirely. I should have written "IRA incompetence" and I
>> apologize for ascribing incompetence to the Irish, many of whom are
>> extremely competent, and many others of whom are irredeemably brain
>> dead.
>
>
>That alright Micheil. I knew that's what you meant. I know you are not
>an anti-Irish bigot. I was actually surprised when you wrote "Irish
>incompetence" because that's more of a Keith Mills kind of thing. But I
>have to make sure you understand. I only ever wear a condom when I am
>within 100 miles of Pelican House. I am currently flogging around a
>script for a sitcom I wrote which takes place in a pirate TV station on
>the Cavan/Armagh border. I am trying to get somebody in Ireland
>interested. Nobody north or south will touch it. The phrase 'a prophet
>is not welcome in his own land' certainly applies to me. The money would
>be nice as well. It's the best thing I have ever done yet and I am my
>own worse critic. The only people who seem remotely interested are all
>English producers. There is nothing Paddywackery about it at all yet the
>Irish won't touch it. The English love it while Irish love it but are
>afraid to admit it publically. Thanks god for the English as the Irish
>are incompetent when it comes to television. The English can laugh at
>the absurdity of their culture while the Irish are still looking for
>somebody to offended them - the ones who make TV programmes anyway. What
>are the rents in London and Manchester like these days...
I live in Canada and that's where you should be sending your script -
the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation), being state-funded, is
not interested in the commercial possibilities of a script as long as
they think it has a message. Start here:
http://cbc.ca/insidecbc/audience/newsletter.html
>Dermot Morgan we miss you badly.
>
>
>--
>kfuz...@tinet.ie
Tony Cooper
> You are missing the point again Tony.
No, you are missing the point.
You can't help it because you are
> a thick fuckwit,
No, you are a thick fuckwit.
You have
> absolutely no sense of irony do you?
No, you have abosultely no sense of irony.
You have a latent homosexual
> obsession with Greig Carlin as well.
No, you have a latent homosexual obsession.
We are
> with you all the way big guy.
I don't see you as spokesperson for the group.
Tony Cooper
Graduate, Cum Laude, Paul Carr School of Irony
Doug Weller
> Well you know now. With a name like Doug Weller, you have to be of
> *nglish descent. Try not to fret about it; someone in Yoosa has to be
> descended from Britain's bully boys.
>
Canadian Jewish lumberjack in there somewhere).
The Wellers, however, weren't British.
RK
kfuzzbox <kfuz...@tinet.ie> wrote loads of pish,
> How many people from Saint Croix have you known? I was told this from a
> bloke from Saint Croix. His claimed that his brother fucked Princess
> Margaret while he was delivering drink to her house. The guy who told me
> this was a black man from Saint Croix and his precise words were "That
> bitch fucked half the niggers on the island" I am only the messenger. I
> am not saying this is true, this is just what I was told. The person who
> told me this was a lovely, sincere bloke and I have no reason to think
> he was spoofing. I am not a liar. Maybe I am naive to take people's
> comments at face value, but I think that people from Saint Croix have as
> much right to an opinion to a bunch of inbred German parasites living
> off the British taxpayer and their subserviant subjects. Majesty
> Magazine is a publishing phenomena. Just balancing the scales that's
> all. You get a free life then you have to expect some shit. Now Dougie
> lad, crawl back under your own rock you hypocritical fuckwit and thank
> (the protestant) god for denying you the right to live in a democratic
> republic with a constitution. The magna carta is a pile of elitist
> excrement not a basis for democratic advancement. But "carry on" if that
> makes you feel better about the comical sacrifices made by your gullible
> ancestors in the cause of theocratic imperialism and worthless monarchy.
>
> Peter Cook was correct, "The British will always require a futile
> gesture to make them feel important"
>
> -- kfuz...@tinet.ie
But you are a sub-human bog trotter who would sell your daughter for a
potato.
The Irish have done fuck all but beg from the world by embarrassing
themselves
and painting their own caricature of themselves as a wee drink and the
craic -
all bollocks while disguising their true nature, thick murderous incestuous
twats.
My passport says British, I'd rather be Scottish but by fuck I'd be
embarrassed to
be Irish. Oh and keep your shite music and god awful dancing.
gregory....@ntlworld.com
RK wrote:
>
> My passport says British, I'd rather be Scottish but by fuck I'd be
> embarrassed to
> be Irish. Oh and keep your shite music and god awful dancing.
Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't the 'Scottish' be called something
else if it wasn't for the Irish folks they borrowed the name from in the
first place? A sister ship of the Titanic crashed into Scotland and sank
I think at one point. The other sister ship sank near Greece. The
Titanic herself ran into a spot of bad luck herself seemingly, either
that or a whopping great ice cube.
Roge
"RK" <bo...@itsnotfair.com> wrote in message
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can't see what they get out of it though but considering their national
dish is
porridge and most of them couldn't afford a pair of trews.
After the english stole their land they made them join the british army. at
least the irish
kept their faith and had the bollocks to fight the brits, creating an
independant
america and ireland and ending the slave trade.
wales and scotland are only getting independence because the want to copy
the
successful paddies.
the english are moving to ireland because it is prosperous,virtuous and
nicer than their crap
cities.
Turlough
> My passport says British...
Now that would embarrass the piss out of me. In fact I'd stay home
rather than have to face the immigration officials as they try to stifle
the horse laughs that come naturally when they read the word British.
However, I do wear Reebok sneakers but I blacken out the little union
jacks sewn on the sides so people won't make fun of me or stomp on my
feet.
Turlough
CelticOne
> > potato.
>
>
>
>
> --
> kfuz...@tinet.ie
With a fast Mercedes and a drunk driver with M5 in fast pursuit with
cameras flashing.
--
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http://www.welcome.to/CelticStone
~wedding-service~ UK
Yes U are you pillok
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<gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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RK
> else if it wasn't for the Irish folks they borrowed the name from in the
> first place? A sister ship of the Titanic crashed into Scotland and sank
> I think at one point. The other sister ship sank near Greece. The
> Titanic herself ran into a spot of bad luck herself seemingly, either
> that or a whopping great ice cube.
It wasn't a cube, too many sides - see thick, see Paddies? I'd be
embarrassed
to be ANY ship built in the Bogs, not merely the Titanic.
RK
Turlough <Turlo...@excite.com> wrote in message
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You wear "sneakers" because your tongue is so far up the Yanks arses, you
have been tickling their tonsils and inherited their speech patterns.
Begorrah!
Turlough
> You wear "sneakers" because your tongue is so far up the Yanks arses,
> you have been tickling their tonsils and inherited their speech
> patterns. Begorrah!
I wear *sneakers* because I *am* a Yank, you ignorant British git. We
speak American instead of English because we are a dynamic and modern
society, and we've purged most of the vile and base British customs and
the foul and depraved mannerisms which set you apart from most of the
rest of the civilized world.
It is hilarious to read a goofball such as yourself making fun of the
Irish, or any other country at that. While the Irish economy is steadily
out distancing the rest of the European countries and the citizens are
busy creating their new multi cultural society, the British are stuck in
neutral, clinging to their arrogant and disreputable past while trying
to pretend that they are still a world power to be reckoned with.
British society is stagnant and the miserable scions of the remnants of
a reprehensible and foul imperialist culture, still bow down to a
dysfunctional inbred family of losers who, in America, would surely have
been little more than trailer park trash...and butt ugly ones at that.
Have a Merry Christmas
Turlough
gregory....@ntlworld.com
Turlough wrote:
>
> It is hilarious to read a goofball such as yourself making fun of the
> Irish, or any other country at that. While the Irish economy is steadily
> out distancing the rest of the European countries and the citizens are
> busy creating their new multi cultural society, the British are stuck in
> neutral, clinging to their arrogant and disreputable past while trying
> to pretend that they are still a world power to be reckoned with.
> British society is stagnant and the miserable scions of the remnants of
> a reprehensible and foul imperialist culture, still bow down to a
> dysfunctional inbred family of losers who, in America, would surely have
> been little more than trailer park trash...and butt ugly ones at that.
>
>
Are you trying to suggest (no matter how diplomatically) that the
Anglo-Saxons have somehow failed to evolve into an intelligent life
form? I am trying to read between the lines!
Luke Goaman-Dodson
> > > His claimed that his brother fucked
*plonk*
RK wrote:
> > But you are a sub-human
*plonk*
Roge wrote:
> These scotch pratts really love being british don't they.
*plonk*
sixdarts
500 B.C. by the Greeks, Romans and Latin Writers. This term refered to all
of the "Barbarian Tribes" living north of the Alps. The Celtic art, tribal
customs, and Celtic mythology enriched nearly all of Europe for most of the
millenium until the spread of Roman conquest... and as the Romans never
reached Ireland, the culture still survives best there (not saying only
there, but IMHO, best there) as an intregal part of native culture...
although the last 50 years has seen much modernization of even the best held
customs. So, the Celts cover from 500 B.C. to now... I Am A Celt!!!
sixdarts
Christopher Gwinn
"sixdarts" <sixd...@frauddivision.com> wrote in message
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The Celts were around a lot longer than that. The 6th century is simply
significant as the first time that they enter written record in the
classical world. Their culture was likely developing steadily for at least a
millennium prior to 500 BC (before 1500 BC we may be entering the time of
late western Proto Indo Europeans or Proto Celts).
-Chris Gwinn