RTE's Irish Team Homecoming - Surrealism Lives
unki (no other name works)
Is anybody watching this incredible spectacle on RTE One! Jim Sherwin,
Jimmy McGee and Brian Dobson spewing the most incredible almost
hysterical verbal excrement. 'The KLM jet approaches the runway卙ow
ironic that we knocked out the Dutch and now we are using their
airplanes!' You just can't make this shit up. This is a silly country.
A national celebration for a team that wasn't good enough to beat
Spain and we are treating like they won Big Brother, discovered the
cure for AIDS, walked on Mars AND won the World Cup as well. Am I the
only person on this island aware of this fact - that this Irish team
is not a World Cup winning side? Then we have the Louis Walsh
self-promotional 'do' at the Park匢s the fact that Bertie youngwan
happens to be dating one of the blokes from Westlife have anything to
do with this thing being moved to the Phoenix Park. This is a pure
bread and circus peasant numbing exercise and the Irish people being
such a bunch of gullible twats at times like this are falling for it.
We did not win the world cup - did I miss something here. This
over-the-top homecoming is farcical, stupid, embarrassing, pointless
and pathetic. The Irish people cannot tell the difference between a
Carlsberg commercial and reality anymore. And of course the shower of
wankers in the FAI are milking it for all it's worth. We are such a
tacky and sad little people on this island that's it's just not funny.
Please tell me I am not alone in seeing this dopey, cringe-inducing
circus for it is.
Sage
well.
The Boy Roy and Grumpy Dunphy have a point on this sort of thing. It smacks
of "we're only here for the craic jack". Obviously Louis is letting out his
whole stable tonight for some free publicity.
K
"unki (no other name works)" <kfuz...@tinet.ieIEIO> wrote in message
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>
>
> Is anybody watching this incredible spectacle on RTE One! Jim Sherwin,
> Jimmy McGee and Brian Dobson spewing the most incredible almost
> hysterical verbal excrement. 'The KLM jet approaches the runway.how
> ironic that we knocked out the Dutch and now we are using their
> airplanes!' You just can't make this shit up. This is a silly country.
> A national celebration for a team that wasn't good enough to beat
> Spain and we are treating like they won Big Brother, discovered the
> cure for AIDS, walked on Mars AND won the World Cup as well. Am I the
> only person on this island aware of this fact - that this Irish team
> is not a World Cup winning side? Then we have the Louis Walsh
> self-promotional 'do' at the Park.Is the fact that Bertie youngwan
unki - party pooper
"Sage" <pro...@nospamoceanfree.net> wrote:
>No, I ain't watching it, but if I was one of the squad I'd be cringing as
>well.
>The Boy Roy and Grumpy Dunphy have a point on this sort of thing. It smacks
>of "we're only here for the craic jack". Obviously Louis is letting out
his
>whole stable tonight for some free publicity.
and did you hear that superstar from the FAI saying Roy Keane is not coming
back even if he wants it.
These were the fellas who were nowhere to be scene in the media when Keano
thing first started.
You're right, it must be really embassasing for the players. Did you see
Stano in boits on the tele after the match. He knew we blew a chance (perhaps
the only chance Ireland will ever get to win the World Cup) and now he and
his teamates have to be paraded around to keep RTE, Bertie, Louis Walsh and
the FAI in creamcrackers. I hate to be so cynical about this but it so over
the top I don't know how it can be taken any other way. It'll keep Deco from
Tallaght in his Celtic shirt happy for a few hours I guess...
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unki (no other name works) <kfuz...@tinet.ieIEIO> wrote in message
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>
>
> Jimmy McGee and Brian Dobson spewing the most incredible almost
> ironic that we knocked out the Dutch and now we are using their
> airplanes!' You just can't make this shit up. This is a silly country.
> A national celebration for a team that wasn't good enough to beat
> Spain and we are treating like they won Big Brother, discovered the
> cure for AIDS, walked on Mars AND won the World Cup as well. Am I the
> only person on this island aware of this fact - that this Irish team
> is not a World Cup winning side?
No, but as I'm English, I'm not allowed to make any comment which could be
mistaken for being anti-Irish
> Then we have the Louis Walsh
> self-promotional 'do' at the Park.Is the fact that Bertie youngwan
> happens to be dating one of the blokes from Westlife have anything to
> do with this thing being moved to the Phoenix Park. This is a pure
> bread and circus peasant numbing exercise and the Irish people being
> such a bunch of gullible twats at times like this are falling for it.
> We did not win the world cup - did I miss something here. This
> over-the-top homecoming is farcical, stupid, embarrassing, pointless
> and pathetic. The Irish people cannot tell the difference between a
> Carlsberg commercial and reality anymore. And of course the shower of
> wankers in the FAI are milking it for all it's worth. We are such a
> tacky and sad little people on this island that's it's just not funny.
> Please tell me I am not alone in seeing this dopey, cringe-inducing
> circus for it is.
Of course you're not.
England for the Cup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
--
Howard Beale
"I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore"
docaay
> Please tell me I am not alone in seeing this dopey, cringe-inducing
> circus for it is.
>
> kfuz...@tinet.ie
Just one more indication that you have been
assimilated....resistance is futile.
Doc
minibrat
current malaise affecting Irish cultural mentality. There's hope yet if just
one Irish can still think like this.
unki (no other name works) <kfuz...@tinet.ieIEIO> wrote in message
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>
>
> Is anybody watching this incredible spectacle on RTE One! Jim Sherwin,
> Jimmy McGee and Brian Dobson spewing the most incredible almost
> hysterical verbal excrement. 'The KLM jet approaches the runway.how
> ironic that we knocked out the Dutch and now we are using their
> airplanes!' You just can't make this shit up. This is a silly country.
> A national celebration for a team that wasn't good enough to beat
> Spain and we are treating like they won Big Brother, discovered the
> cure for AIDS, walked on Mars AND won the World Cup as well. Am I the
> only person on this island aware of this fact - that this Irish team
> is not a World Cup winning side? Then we have the Louis Walsh
> self-promotional 'do' at the Park.Is the fact that Bertie youngwan
Keith Mills
Well Unki, you sure are demonstrating that one true trait of most (thankfully
not all) Irish people. You are a 100% begrudger.
Nothing brings the people of this country together like the World Cup. I
had forgotten the glory days of 1990, helped me and most other people re-live
that time, come together and celebrate our team's success. In the process
we've lifted the spirits of the nation and reclaimed our national flag from
extremist nationalists.
Let's look at the facts;
After knocking out one of the top 5 teams in the preliminariesd we lost our
only "World Class player" following a fit of big headedness and we were written
off.
Despite this we knocked out the Champions of Africa and played Spain of the
pitch for most of the game. We are so far the ONLY team to return home from
the World Cup without losing a game. All this with a population of under
4m people (albeit with a a million dispora to help out) and no national football
league to speak of.
Compare our World Cup record with Scotland who have a bigger population to
draw from. They have qualied for the World Cup on several occasions and have
NEVER reached the knock out stages. On our three enties we've reached the
second phase every time. NO other team has as a good a record.
We were never going to win the competition against teams like Brazil, Italy,
Spain or England. However we had a great World Cup and I've never been as
proud to be Irish,
Now in common with all sensible Irish people I'm cheering for our neighbours,
Keith
Howard Beale
Keith Mills <kei...@eircom.net> wrote in message
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>
> Well Unki, you sure are demonstrating that one true trait of most
(thankfully
> not all) Irish people. You are a 100% begrudger.
Bollocks, Ireland lost. Tough titty, but a fact. Pretending 'we' won is just
plain daft.
>
> Now in common with all sensible Irish people I'm cheering for our
neighbours,
You'll not be singing 'You'll never walk alone' then?
Mark Downes
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>
>
> Jimmy McGee and Brian Dobson spewing the most incredible almost
> ironic that we knocked out the Dutch and now we are using their
> airplanes!' You just can't make this shit up. This is a silly country.
> A national celebration for a team that wasn't good enough to beat
> Spain and we are treating like they won Big Brother, discovered the
> cure for AIDS, walked on Mars AND won the World Cup as well. Am I the
> only person on this island aware of this fact - that this Irish team
> is not a World Cup winning side? Then we have the Louis Walsh
> happens to be dating one of the blokes from Westlife have anything to
> do with this thing being moved to the Phoenix Park. This is a pure
> bread and circus peasant numbing exercise and the Irish people being
> such a bunch of gullible twats at times like this are falling for it.
> We did not win the world cup - did I miss something here. This
> over-the-top homecoming is farcical, stupid, embarrassing, pointless
> and pathetic. The Irish people cannot tell the difference between a
> Carlsberg commercial and reality anymore. And of course the shower of
> wankers in the FAI are milking it for all it's worth. We are such a
> tacky and sad little people on this island that's it's just not funny.
> Please tell me I am not alone in seeing this dopey, cringe-inducing
> circus for it is.
"Tragic" is the only word. You could see the embarassment in the faces of
the team. But leaving all that aside, what on EARTH were RTE thinking of,
getting that bearded oaf, Joe Duffy to present it? I daresay they were too
busy bemoaning the fact that the Guards wanted to safely accomodate the
100,000+ fans in Phoenix Park, rather than taking the
accident-waiting-to-happen College Green option.
MD
Helter Skelter
funny "jokes"
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Helter Skelter
troll
"unki (no other name works)" <kfuz...@tinet.ieIEIO> wrote in message
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>
>
> Is anybody watching this incredible spectacle on RTE One! Jim Sherwin,
> Jimmy McGee and Brian Dobson spewing the most incredible almost
> hysterical verbal excrement. 'The KLM jet approaches the runway.how
> ironic that we knocked out the Dutch and now we are using their
> airplanes!' You just can't make this shit up. This is a silly country.
> A national celebration for a team that wasn't good enough to beat
> Spain and we are treating like they won Big Brother, discovered the
> cure for AIDS, walked on Mars AND won the World Cup as well. Am I the
> only person on this island aware of this fact - that this Irish team
> is not a World Cup winning side? Then we have the Louis Walsh
> self-promotional 'do' at the Park.Is the fact that Bertie youngwan
tomcosgrave
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>
> Apparently 100,000 real fans turned up to welcome back the team, so your
view is, thank
> God, in the extreme minority...
I bet you're not used to making that comment Ray, just reading it in
response to some of your stuff ;-)
Tom
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> the team. But leaving all that aside, what on EARTH were RTE thinking of,
> getting that bearded oaf, Joe Duffy to present it?
Did you see Duff cringing when Padre Pio was mentioned?
Jaysus...
Howard9
kfuz...@tinet.ieIEIO says...
Irish people know better than this nonsense. We know when
we have reason to be proud of our sporting teams, when they
have achieved something special, to play great football, to
play in a professional and brave way, to reach the last 16
in the world and lose in a toss up. A country of 3
million. We know better than the English who can't seem to
ever celebrate anything unless they win it. How sad.
This day is proof that we in Ireland know what life is
about and how to celebrate it. Naturally we have to suffer
the knockers, the wasters, the whingers, the whiners and
grumps among us who always try top drag us down to their
level. The Dunphys and the Keanes come to mind. Thank God
for the McCarthys, the Quinns, the Stauntons and the Giles.
A great and wonderful day to be Irish.
Howard9
Fr. Des
"tomcosgrave" <t...@tomcosgrave.com> wrote:
>
>"Mark Downes" <mark.n...@please.keywebdesign.ie> wrote in message
>news:UBNP8.2067
>>
>> "Tragic" is the only word. You could see the embarassment in the faces
of
>> the team. But leaving all that aside, what on EARTH were RTE thinking
of,
>> getting that bearded oaf, Joe Duffy to present it?
>
>Did you see Duff cringing when Padre Pio was mentioned?
>
That bit was dire!
Fr. Des
>Jaysus...
>
>Tom
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unki
WhiteWolf <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote:
>
>Apparently 100,000 real fans turned up to welcome back the team, so your
view is, thank
>God, in the extreme minority...
There were 3,900,000 who didn,t go to the Park.
There was 100,000 skangers and white trash in the Phoenix Park last night.
Most of them would be there if David Beckham or Brian from Big Brother was
there instead of the Irish team. They didn’t care – it’s all about the cult
of celberity. It had nothing to do with football. It was a throw back to
the ‘paddy last’ mentality when being slightly less that a complete loser
was consider a fantastic achievement for an Irish person. While Spain gets
to play in the Quarter Finals of the World Cup the 100,000 thick Paddies
are dancing to Bellefire singing ‘you’ll never beat the Irish.’ It’s gone
beyond a sad joke. Dunphy was right it has nothing to do with football and
being Irish and having pride in your country’s ability and success to compete
on the world stage – it’s all about the craic and nothing else. Croatia with
a smaller population than Ireland came 4th in the last world cup. We make
the last 16 and it’s proof that we are a football superpower and invincible
warriors who can’t be beaten. They couldn’t even beat a Spanish team that
didn’t want to play for the final 30 minutes of the match on Sunday. I am
not saying that the Ireland team didn’t do well in some matches and they
most certainly did. Some of the individual performances were wonderful. But
at the end of the day they lost, and won nothing.
I think Ireland has reached a point in it’s evolution where it should be
about more that trying to find a pint of Guinness in a foreign city because
that’s what it’s really about. I am sick of the likes of Jimmy McGee going
on about Ronnie Delaney winning a Gold Medal 40 years ago when smaller countries
than Ireland have one dozens in the years since. This country can be a sad
joke at times – it really can. I want Ireland to win the world cup not watching
a Carlsberg TV advert about it.
Fr. Des
The circus parts were dire and very cringe inducing. Duffy is normally
funny but he sounded like a best man at a wedding at this. The players
looked like they were trying to look very pleased but were a bit tired
and wanted to just go. I could not watch and had to keep changing channels
or
turning the sound off.
Still, I have just had an amazing 2 weeks. I have not thought about
Helen Dillon or Nigella Lawson once for 14 days (well maybe once or twice)
and I had huge crack getting the kids worked up and watching matches with
them.
The country had a ball and no one seriously believed we were going to win
it
and even if Keane had played and even if the FAI were geniuses we still would
not win it. I am grateful for the crack we had and full of admiration
for some great performances by the team. I know this is all palsy walsy
and amateurish but I am a simple man (bit of an idiot in fact).
Fr. Des
>
>
>
>kfuz...@tinet.ie
>
unki
Well what can I say, I am in shock. I was even thinking about Nigella Lawson
during the peanalty shootout with Spain.
You've let yourself down again. Stickon some garden Heaven tapes so you can
get up again.
"Fr. Des" <fath...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>The circus parts were dire and very cringe inducing. Duffy is normally
>funny but he sounded like a best man at a wedding at this. The players
>looked like they were trying to look very pleased but were a bit tired
>and wanted to just go. I could not watch and had to keep changing channels
>or
>turning the sound off.
>
>Still, I have just had an amazing 2 weeks. I have not thought about
>Helen Dillon or Nigella Lawson once for 14 days (well maybe once or twice)
>and I had huge crack getting the kids worked up and watching matches with
>them.
>The country had a ball and no one seriously believed we were going to win
>it
>and even if Keane had played and even if the FAI were geniuses we still
would
>not win it. I am grateful for the crack we had and full of admiration
>for some great performances by the team. I know this is all palsy walsy
>and amateurish but I am a simple man (bit of an idiot in fact).
>
>Fr. Des
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>kfuz...@tinet.ie
>>
>
>
Fr. Des
"unki" <kfuz...@tinet.ei> wrote:
>
>Well what can I say, I am in shock. I was even thinking about Nigella Lawson
>during the peanalty shootout with Spain.
>
>You've let yourself down again. Stickon some garden Heaven tapes so you
can
>get up again.
>
Yer man (Sayers) was very impressiive with his cordless drill last night
(it
is mopments like that that make me realise I am really alive) and I could
watch Helen Dillon plant cabbages all night.
I am a man of very simple tastes. Now where did I put those lobsters and
truffles and that litre of fresh cream ........
Fr. Des
Mark Downes
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>
> "Mark Downes" <mark.n...@please.keywebdesign.ie> wrote in message
> news:UBNP8.2067
> >
> > "Tragic" is the only word. You could see the embarassment in the faces
of
> > the team. But leaving all that aside, what on EARTH were RTE thinking
of,
> > getting that bearded oaf, Joe Duffy to present it?
>
> Did you see Duff cringing when Padre Pio was mentioned?
>
> Jaysus...
>
> Tom
Pathetic. What makes Joe even more annoying is the knowledge that he went
through Trinity and emerged with a D4 accent, not in itself a crime, but
then actually went to elocution lessons to learn how to talk as he now does,
so he could fill the plain-talking-dub niche at RTE. Not a lot of people
know that. He's a dud.
MD
Private Unki
Did you hear the story about the RTE Big Shot who told him to lose his Jackeen
accent as it was not the kind of speaking voice the national broadcaster
should present on the air.
When I was in the army a drill sergeant from Cork told me I spoke like I
had a penis in my mouth. I still have my Ballymun accent and there is nothing
wrong with that.
Fr. Des
he
was president of the students union in trinity (I was a class rep at the
time)
and he spoke exactly the same as he does now although his beard was longer
and he was much thinner. The idea that he went to elcoution lessons
to speak with a Ballyfermot accent makes a great after dinner or pub
story but I find it very hard to believe that you can even do such a thing.
Fr. Des
Patrick
Naturally we have to suffer
> the knockers, the wasters, the whingers, the whiners and
> grumps among us who always try top drag us down to their
> level. The Dunphys and the Keanes come to mind.
>
> A great and wonderful day to be Irish.
>
> Howard9
>
Is Roy Keane a knocker, waster, whinger and a grump?
I thought he always tried as hard as possible to be as good as possible.
Thats hardly going down in level.....
unki
All my life I have looked upon by women as essentially a sex toy and this
thread was a chance for me to prove that I could be erudite while possessing
a social awareness. Howard9 decides that I am not worthy of being taken seriously
and puts me right back in the bimbo category.
Nigella
"unki" <kfuz...@tinet.ei> wrote:
>
Howard9 decides that I am not worthy of being taken seriously
>and puts me right back in the bimbo category.
Serious talk makes me pout. And I like Joe Duffy, he's cuddly lookin.
Westprog
"Howard9" <ho...@CUTTHISOUTnetbox.com> wrote in message
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..
> We know better than the English who can't seem to
> ever celebrate anything unless they win it. How sad.
..
This is not true, but it is a very persistent Irish myth about English
sport. I first heard it about the respective 1990 teams; the Irish were
supposed to have celebrated their relative success while the English threw
rotten fruit at theirs.
There is nothing more typical of English sport than celebrating the brave
loser, from Frank Bruno to Tim Henman. When someone like Nick Faldo comes
along who is actually better than the others the English don't quite know
what to do with him.
J/
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pghc
"Howard Beale" <how...@REMOVEmad-as-hell.com> wrote:
> Bollocks, Ireland lost. Tough titty, but a fact. Pretending 'we' won is just
> plain daft.
Howard,
It's only a matter of expectations. Irish fans do not *expect* their team
to come back with the cup. They accept that it would be nearly a miracle if
it happened. Therefore, the furthest the team can go the better. The
homecoming spectacle you saw was not meant to celebrate the Irish team's
victory of the world title; only its achievements in the tournament.
Other nations (notably Italy, Brazil, Argentina and Germany) have a
different approach to the World Cup.
For once, those countries have qualified nearly every time since the
turnament's inception in 1930; they also participate in order to win it.
In any case, you probably have never seen what happens in one of those
countries when *they* win the title. I was originally born in Italy and was
still living there in 1982 when Germany was beaten in the final. Well, so
much for Phoenix Park and 100,000 people: Italy has about 60 millions, so I
leave it to your imagination :-)
pghc
Howard Beale
pghc <pg...@eircom.net> wrote in message
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> In article <aeo6kl$r9r$1...@dorito.esatclear.ie>,
> "Howard Beale" <how...@REMOVEmad-as-hell.com> wrote:
>
> > Bollocks, Ireland lost. Tough titty, but a fact. Pretending 'we' won is
just
> > plain daft.
>
> Howard,
>
> It's only a matter of expectations. Irish fans do not *expect* their team
> to come back with the cup. They accept that it would be nearly a miracle
if
> it happened. Therefore, the furthest the team can go the better. The
> homecoming spectacle you saw was not meant to celebrate the Irish team's
> victory of the world title; only its achievements in the tournament.
And we'd have seen the same politicaly inspired bollocks if the team had
been ousted in the first round, after losing all three games by 10 goals
each.
Irish pride will soon be forgotten after England win the cup, and 'we'll' go
back to reading the Sun and supporting Man Utd.
John Sheehan
Private Unki <kfuz...@tinet.ei> wrote in message
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>
> When I was in the army a drill sergeant from Cork told me I spoke like I
> had a penis in my mouth. I still have my Ballymun accent and there is
nothing
> wrong with that.
G'wan - were you in the army? - as well as the high power job in NY and all
the gigolo stuff?
Where did you serve?
John (No need to salute)
Howard9
pa...@ireland.com says...
> Is Roy Keane a knocker, waster, whinger and a grump?
>
disrupt and scupper our whole effort in this world cup and
I hope he never plays for our country again.
Howard9
don't panic!
Well FCA actually, but damnit I still served my coutry carrying a gun with
no bullets and a uniform that was eight times too big for me. But the beer
was 88p a pint in the mess.
Patrick
>>disrupt and scupper our whole effort in this world cup and
>>I hope he never plays for our country again.
>>
>>Howard9
>>
>
>
> That man is a disgrace to the team and *never ever* should be called to play for Ireland
> again under *any* circumstances!!
>
> Ray
And all the enormous efforts, man of the match performances
and almost single-handedly getting Ireland to Korea/Japan is forgotten.
It is amazing how much bitterness this has brought out in people.
Especially the morons who cannot understand that you can be 100% behind
the Irish team and at the same time be grateful to R. Keane for all he
has done and feel that he had some valid points.
Gav
> I think Ireland has reached a point in it's evolution where it should be
> about more that trying to find a pint of Guinness in a foreign city because
> that's what it's really about. I am sick of the likes of Jimmy McGee going
> on about Ronnie Delaney winning a Gold Medal 40 years ago when smaller countries
> than Ireland have one dozens in the years since. This country can be a sad
> joke at times – it really can. I want Ireland to win the world cup not watching
> a Carlsberg TV advert about it.
I think you've got a pretty good point there. It's about time we
were celebrating actual sporting success instead of heroic defeat.
The attitude of the Irish being innate 'losers' and that anything less
than total defeat represents a success of sorts permiates through many
aspects of Irish society too.
Much is made of the fact that Ireland is a small country, but lots
of small countries out there do much better than we do in sport and in
other matters like economic success and social progress.
Maybe the increasing prosperity will engender more confidance and
ambition in society at large. Currently all I can see it doing is
making house prices unaffordable and chipping away at the sort of
strong social ties that were one of the best aspects of Irish society.
Gav
Shweeney
news:3D119CBC...@ireland.com...
valid points, but expressed in entirely the wrong way.
i personally think he should be allowed return if he apologises to the
manager and the team, but its hard to see how he can mend the bridges he
burned in Saipan, esp. his comments about Mick not being Irish (half the
team isn't irish-born either)
Joe Fox
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<snipped>
> valid points, but expressed in entirely the wrong way.
> i personally think he should be allowed return if he apologises to the
> manager and the team, but its hard to see how he can mend the bridges he
> burned in Saipan, esp. his comments about Mick not being Irish (half the
> team isn't irish-born either)
>
>
On a minor point, if the English quote is attributable (I've heard it said
it wasnt accurate) does Roy consider his kids English or Irish?
Also I was over in Japan and was speaking to a journo who may not
necessarily have an affinity with the Irish team. He said that the
conditions in Saipan were nowhere near as bad as Roy Keane was making out
although they were not allowed to report on the conditions at all for fear
of taking sides.
As anyone who had been out there saw, the rest of the training grounds and
facilities were better than anything here or in GB.
As for supporting failure - We were ranked 13th I think in the tournament -
above France, Argentina, Italy etc etc - surely a victory in itself?
Joe
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Patrick
>>>
>>And all the enormous efforts, man of the match performances
>>and almost single-handedly getting Ireland to Korea/Japan is forgotten.
>>
>>It is amazing how much bitterness this has brought out in people.
>>Especially the morons who cannot understand that you can be 100% behind
>>the Irish team and at the same time be grateful to R. Keane for all he
>>has done and feel that he had some valid points.
>>
>
> valid points, but expressed in entirely the wrong way.
What is the "correct" way?
Paulie
gavs_...@swissonline.ch (Gav) wrote:
> Much is made of the fact that Ireland is a small country, but lots
> of small countries out there do much better than we do in sport and in
> other matters like economic success and social progress.
Name one.
Paul...
> Gav
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Patrick
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:13:34 GMT, kfuz...@tinet.ieIEIO (unki (no other name works))
> wrote:
>>
>
> Apparently 100,000 real fans turned up to welcome back the team, so your view is, thank
> God, in the extreme minority...
>
> Ray
> --
Population of Ireland: circa 4,000,000
100,000 is 1/40 of that.
So 1/40 of the population are "real fans", and anyone who may not
share their view of things is not a real fan and is in "the extreme
minority"... Interesting theory.
I see nothing wrong with thanking the team for their efforts on behalf
of the country, but the cringe-inducing antics of RTE staffers is not
a view of Ireland I wish the world to see. Of course to some
ex-pats, the view of Ireland as the mist on the bog, the 4 green fields,
the sweet colleens and all the utter sh*te that goes with that view is
more acceptable. Some people in this country thought it was possible to
go to the semi-final, at least, which would REALLY be something to
celebrate. Thanks for all the efforts, but "conquering heroes" ??
Howard9
pa...@ireland.com says...
>
> And all the enormous efforts, man of the match performances
Yes he did put in great performances many times. Great.
>
> and almost single-handedly getting Ireland to Korea/Japan is forgotten.
Bollox. No single player can win a game or a
qualification. That's an insult to every one of the other
players who gave 100% as well.
> It is amazing how much bitterness this has brought out in people.
Betrayal is a nasty and bitter thing.
> Especially the morons who cannot understand that you can be 100% behind
> the Irish team and at the same time be grateful to R. Keane for all he
> has done and feel that he had some valid points.
Your familiarity with morons is your business. I'm
grateful for what he did in there past, but I do not for
one second accept his outrageous betrayal of his team
mates, his manager and his fellow Irishmen and women and
his lying smears of everyone around him. He did everything
he could to destroy the team's chances in the competition
and skulked home to his multimillion pound house and salary
which he clearly has more loyalty to than his country.
Good riddance to him in my opinion, though I actually feel
sorry for him because in one week of selfish arrogant
indulgence he has destroyed so much of what he has built up
over many years and will live to bitterly regret his
absence from the biggest football stage, imho.
Howard9
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> LOL!! :-) How's it going Tom?
Good thanks!
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Patrick
> In article <3D119CBC...@ireland.com>,
> pa...@ireland.com says...
>
>>And all the enormous efforts, man of the match performances
>>
>
> Yes he did put in great performances many times. Great.
>
>>and almost single-handedly getting Ireland to Korea/Japan is forgotten.
>>
>
> Bollox. No single player can win a game or a
> qualification. That's an insult to every one of the other
> players who gave 100% as well.
>
>
ALMOST.
>
>
>>Especially the morons who cannot understand that you can be 100% behind
>>the Irish team and at the same time be grateful to R. Keane for all he
>>has done and feel that he had some valid points.
>>
>
> Your familiarity with morons is your business. I'm
> grateful for what he did in there past, but I do not for
> one second accept his outrageous betrayal of his team
> mates, his manager and his fellow Irishmen and women and
> his lying smears of everyone around him. He did everything
> he could to destroy the team's chances in the competition
> and skulked home to his multimillion pound house and salary
> which he clearly has more loyalty to than his country.
>
> Good riddance to him in my opinion, though I actually feel
> sorry for him because in one week of selfish arrogant
> indulgence he has destroyed so much of what he has built up
> over many years and will live to bitterly regret his
> absence from the biggest football stage, imho.
>
As usual, addressing the actual point made does not get in the way of your verbosity.
>
>
Gav
Some small countries that have done better in Soccer, Sport
generally or Economically?
Well there was Croatia reaching the last 4 or the WC last time as
pointed out, and you can count the number of major sports figures to
come out of Ireland in the last decade more or less on the fingers of
one hand.
For all the 'prosperity' of recent times, we still have a shite
infrastructure and medicore public services and the general state of
society is pretty poor with ever-increasing lawlessness and a growing
polarisation of rich/poor.
Compared to societies on mainland Europe, I don't see much for the
Irish to boast about. Worldwide fame for spending a lot of our time
getting drunk in the pub isn't really something to be too proud about.
The fact is that once you get out of Ireland and see it from the
outside, the country doesn't have that much going for it. We are
tragic underachievers and we need to shake ourselves out of the
mentality that our country was never going to be the best at anything,
so not being the worst represents some sort of victory.
Gav
Patrick
> Never wrote "conquering heroes" as you quoted, implying that I did, however they did us
> proud and that's what counts!
>
> Ray
"Conquering heroes" was the phrase continously used on RTE.
Howard9
pa...@ireland.com says...
> As usual, addressing the actual point made does not get in the way of your verbosity.
>
Howard9
Howard9
r...@eirefirst.com says...
> Never wrote "conquering heroes" as you quoted, implying that I did, however they did us
> proud and that's what counts!
>
this morning. They were rolled over without so much as a
whimper. Watching the last twenty minutes you would think
England were winning two nil.
Howard9
pghc
gavs_...@swissonline.ch (Gav) wrote:
> For all the 'prosperity' of recent times, we still have a shite
> infrastructure and medicore public services and the general state of
> society is pretty poor with ever-increasing lawlessness and a growing
> polarisation of rich/poor.
Interesting that you should say this. As someone who comes from the
'continent' and who has lived in Italy, Germany and Canada for a fair
number of years, I always thought that the so-called Celtic Tiger produced
a very unbalanced type of wealth. Very worryingly, when people started
bragging about Ireland being now a wealthy country, what they really meant
was the fact that they could finally afford BMW Jeeps and that the value of
their houses exceeded 600,000 pounds for a mediocre semi-detached 4-bedroom
somewhere in Windy Harbour.
In fact, the notion of a wealthy country (such as Canada or Norway)
encompasses things like an excellent health system, reliable and efficient
public transport and infrastructures, first-class education institutions
and curricula, and in general a real civic sense by part of the citizens.
Alas, all of these things still haven't arrived here. I am sure it will
happen at some stage, but for the moment, all we can see is a lot of
nouveau riches who make the entire nation look quite foolish.
I believe that one of the most unfortunate aspects about Ireland is that it
hasn't really got any talented politicians. Compared to some of the others
I have seen in different European countries, ours are just incompetent and
dilettantish. A pity indeed, considering that we have had a spell of
outstanding economic boom that could have allowed us to change a lot of
things for the better.
pghc
Howard9
r...@eirefirst.com says...
> I guess they'll be hanging David Seaman in the morning for letting in that last goal...
>
Imho his sin was in not going off when he injured his back.
He KNOW he was injured and it was totally obvious when he
was caught out by that free kick that he couldn't stretch
back for it. Given would have reached it NO question, and
he's a few inches shorter than Seaman.
H9
Westprog
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> Scríobh Westprog :
> >This is not true, but it is a very persistent Irish myth about English
> >sport. I first heard it about the respective 1990 teams; the Irish were
> >supposed to have celebrated their relative success while the English
threw
> >rotten fruit at theirs.
> >There is nothing more typical of English sport than celebrating the brave
> >loser, from Frank Bruno to Tim Henman.
> They celebrate them differently IMO. To the Irish, a Bruno or Henman
> would be what the soccer team is. Plucky, courageous, and sure didn't
> they do us all grand and proud altogether representing this wee
> country on the world stage. To the English though, Bruno & Henman are
> regarded with a sort of wistful condescension and slight
> embarrassment, a dammit why couldn't they be just that smidgen better
> attitude. We're amazed anyone is any good at all, they're annoyed in
> an ever so polite way they aren't better.
Bruno and Henry Cooper were always meant to be ex-boxers. Strangely enough,
since he died, a Cult of Moore has grown. He'd be earning millions now.
> >When someone like Nick Faldo comes
> >along who is actually better than the others the English don't quite know
> >what to do with him.
> A bit like Sonia then?
Or that other woman we don't talk about any more.
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Gav
>> For all the 'prosperity' of recent times, we still have a shite
>> infrastructure and medicore public services and the general state of
>> society is pretty poor with ever-increasing lawlessness and a growing
>> polarisation of rich/poor.
>
>Interesting that you should say this. As someone who comes from the
>'continent' and who has lived in Italy, Germany and Canada for a fair
>number of years, I always thought that the so-called Celtic Tiger produced
>a very unbalanced type of wealth. Very worryingly, when people started
>bragging about Ireland being now a wealthy country, what they really meant
>was the fact that they could finally afford BMW Jeeps and that the value of
>their houses exceeded 600,000 pounds for a mediocre semi-detached 4-bedroom
>somewhere in Windy Harbour.
Yes - that pretty much sums it up. Lots of expensive houses and
flash cars for an expanded group of people, but little in the way of
good quality infrastructure or services for the nation as a whole.
If you come to Ireland and see the rubbish roads, railways and civic
facilities and experience living there, you don't come away with the
sense that you are in a wealthy country a la Switzerland or Germany,
that's for sure.
>In fact, the notion of a wealthy country (such as Canada or Norway)
>encompasses things like an excellent health system, reliable and efficient
>public transport and infrastructures, first-class education institutions
>and curricula, and in general a real civic sense by part of the citizens.
>Alas, all of these things still haven't arrived here. I am sure it will
>happen at some stage, but for the moment, all we can see is a lot of
>nouveau riches who make the entire nation look quite foolish.
I'm not so sure - it will require a change in the 'get what you can
for yourself' mentality that pervades Ireland. We are still a nation
of people who feel themselves to be inherently disadvantaged and who
therefore are justified in looking out for number one. Any sort of
authority is there to be screwed ... probably a hangover from the days
when authority meant the British.
>I believe that one of the most unfortunate aspects about Ireland is that it
>hasn't really got any talented politicians. Compared to some of the others
>I have seen in different European countries, ours are just incompetent and
>dilettantish. A pity indeed, considering that we have had a spell of
>outstanding economic boom that could have allowed us to change a lot of
>things for the better.
On the contrary, we have a bunch of politicians who are absolutely
brilliant at playing the system for their own gain, whilst keeping
enough of the electorate on-side to keep them in power. It's just
that they aren't doing a very good job for the country as a whole.
Gav
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