Bush bust on Mt Rushmore?
Andrew E. Smyth
democracy.
Soon all other Arab states followed suit. Nuclear proliferation
halted because of the credibility of Bush's threats after the second
Gulf War. The world of 2014 is a peaceful, prosperous, and just place
because of President Bush Jr. Surely the Noble Prize is not enough.
Let's put his bust on Mt. Rushmore and perhaps compose a new national
anthem in his behalf.
His courage, when the whole world was against America, has seen the
world through.
Jim Collier
Andrew E. Smyth wrote:
> After the second Gulf War Iraq became a prosperous parliamentary
> democracy.
> Soon all other Arab states followed suit. Nuclear proliferation
> halted because of the credibility of Bush's threats after the second
> Gulf War. The world of 2014 is a peaceful, prosperous, and just place
> because of President Bush Jr. Surely the Noble Prize is not enough.
What noble prize is that?
> Let's put his bust on Mt. Rushmore and perhaps compose a new national
> anthem in his behalf.
He's going to have share space with Ronnie's papier mache
thingamajig on the left end.
> His courage, when the whole world was against America, has seen the
> world through.
Four more years of recession! Four more years! Four more years!
(Trillions for Fort Worth and not one fucking cent for San Jose!)
Hell, 14 years ago, he couldn't even spell Nobel, and now he's
a Nobelist. Only in America.
--
Jim
Offonmyown
The Clinton recession that began in the spring of 2001?
Of course it is asinine to blame a recession on a president, or praise him for
prosperity. The president has very little to do with it. There are a things
other factors that influence the economy. Only those who failed Economics 101,
or never took it, attribute such magical powers to presidents.
Offonmyown
The Clinton recession that began in the spring of 2000?
Of course it is asinine to blame a recession on a president, or praise him for
prosperity. The president has very little to do with it. There are thousands
of
Bigfoot
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John Tibbs
> It will soon be renamed "Mt Bushmore".
Then I'll visit every year and salute.
jt
Paul Carr
What a great man!!. And to think that he was pulled over by the police in
the 1970s for being drunk behind the wheel.
Paul Carr
Chesney Christ
>After the second Gulf War Iraq became a prosperous parliamentary
>democracy.
This is absolute wanky hogwash. Not even the current American
administration think they're going to set up a Jeffersonian republic out
there.
There are three options for Iraq :
(a) a left wing government gets in to place. That's not really an
option, since the US won't allow it - that is after all why Saddam H was
installed by the Americans in the first place.
(b) a fundamentalist government gets into place. It colludes with the
new administration in Saudia Arabia to shut down the oil supplies. It
provides weapons, supplies and assistance to Al Quaida.
(c) the Americans replace Saddam with another right wing, anti-rights,
anti-democracy dictator who is amenable to their needs, and things
settle down. A few years later, the dictator decides that Iraq isn't
enough, and invades a neighbouring country such as Kuwait. America
approaches the UN security council and says it wants to invade and
remove this nasty dictator who is a threat to the free world. Return to
step (a).
>Soon all other Arab states followed suit. Nuclear proliferation
>halted because of the credibility of Bush's threats after the second
>Gulf War.
Not if North Korea has anything to say about the matter.
--
George H.W. Bush, as Presidential Nominee for the Republican party;
1987-AUG-27: "No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as
citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation
under God."
John Gilmer
>
> This is absolute wanky hogwash. Not even the current American
> administration think they're going to set up a Jeffersonian republic out
> there.
SO: you seem to believe that ARABs just aren't up to intelligent self rule.
Can't argue with that!
Chesney Christ
Is there such thing as "intelligent self rule" ? :) To answer your
question : no. That's what the Americans believe.
My belief is that there should be UN supervised elections held in the
aftermath of any military campaign. Of course, this won't happen.
John Tibbs
Hell, John, the left thinks ordinary Americans cannot think for
themselves and needs a liberal to do their thinking for them. Go
figure...
jt
Alan
seriously wrong with our enlightened way of life.
Alan
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"John Tibbs" <jwt...@msn.com> wrote in message
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John Tibbs
> Somebody needs to. When 50% think 9/11 was due to Iraq, then something's
> seriously wrong with our enlightened way of life.
>
> Alan
>
un-enlightened or de-brainwashed or lobotomized even more than they
are.
jt
Howard Beale
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> > Somebody needs to. When 50% think 9/11 was due to Iraq, then something's
> > seriously wrong with our enlightened way of life.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> Yep, that other 50% who think Iraq is innocent need to be
> un-enlightened or de-brainwashed or lobotomized even more than they
> are.
I'm sure that Boy George is working on that problem, right now
--
Howard Beale
"I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore"
winter
> "John Gilmer"
>> SO: you seem to believe that ARABs just aren't up to
>> intelligent self rule.
>>
>> Can't argue with that!
>
> Hell, John, the left thinks ordinary Americans cannot think for
> themselves and needs a liberal to do their thinking for them.
> Go figure...
tibbs telling gilmer to "go figure" about thinking
when gilmer has just expresseed a preference for the
simpsons over opposing political commentary.
this stuff must be *way* better than the simpsons!
:)
rgrds,
Jim Collier
John Tibbs wrote:
> "Alan" <alannc44@{nospam}ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<WQ84a.22956$If5.7...@twister.southeast.rr.com>...
>
>>Somebody needs to. When 50% think 9/11 was due to Iraq, then something's
>>seriously wrong with our enlightened way of life.
>>
>>Alan
>>
>
> Yep, that other 50% who think Iraq is innocent need to be
> un-enlightened or de-brainwashed or lobotomized even more than they
> are.
Alan states the central issue and a mush brain like
Tibbs deflects it.
Iraq, specifically Saddam Hussein, is not "innocent".
Iraq has not been shown by any credible source, least of all
Colin Powell, to be connected with the September 11 attacks.
Nor does Osama bin Ladin's convenient tape, if it is authentic,
give this idea any credibility. In fact, if authentic, it
proves the opposite.
A few weeks ago, your excuse for invading Iraq was so
that the U.S. could have its oil. It would seem that
your real excuse is, now that troops are there, give
them something "useful" to do like start a war.
One would further have to wonder about an administration
that believes the nation's most dangerous enemy is alive --
and make no mistake that bin Ladin whatever his numerical
strength is pound for pound as dangerous as they come --
and ** makes no overt move to go after him **. If
this happens on "Kojak" or "Dragnet", it is logical
for the onlooker to conclude that Bush knows
that bin Ladin is dead and has found a hoary-voiced
replacement to keep the citizenry on edge.
I'm no conspiracy buff after loonies like you
hypothesized Clinton murders in every Arkansas
hamlet during those years of properity. But it is
well within the realm of possibilities that your
fruitcake, Crisco Ashcroft, thinks he is part of
some kind of Armageddon play and is capable of
putting aside his restraints to act desperately
and treasonously.
--
Jim Collier
mul
last 100 years,and left behind them a demoracy ?
I can think of a few demoratic countrys that the Americans turned into
dictatorships.
Mul
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Howard Beale
mul <ecobag_...@eircom.net> wrote in message
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> Im trying very hard to think of one country the Americans invaded in the
> last 100 years,and left behind them a demoracy ?
Japan?
Howard Beale
Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
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> Scríobh mul:
>
> >Im trying very hard to think of one country the Americans invaded in
the
> >last 100 years,and left behind them a demoracy ?
>
The Democratic Republic of?
Chris Hedley
> The Democratic Republic of?
Is there some sort of international convention which demands that
countries run by dictatorships _must_ be named along the lines of
"The People's Free Republic Of", "The Democratic Republic Of",
"Col. Dethwobbler's Really Nice, Free and Not At All Repressive
Utopia Of" etc?
Chris.
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William A. T. Clark
And your spelling is just about as good as Dubya's - Noble Prize, indeed.
William Clark
William A. T. Clark
jwt...@msn.com (John Tibbs) wrote:
Just like Dubya needs Cheney and Rumsfeld to do his thinking for him. He
certainly never came up with an original thought that had more than
three letters in it.
William Clark
John Tibbs
> last 100 years,and left behind them a demoracy ?
> I can think of a few demoratic countrys that the Americans turned into
> dictatorships.
> Mul
>
>
Aemon
>Scríobh mul:
>
>>Im trying very hard to think of one country the Americans invaded in the
>>last 100 years,and left behind them a demoracy ?
>
>Germany
It is quite a democracy as well. To my mind the Mixed Member
Proportional voting system is the most democratic method of electing
governments that exists in the world today.
MMP is working very well in New Zealand now as well.
Aemon
Séimí mac Liam
news:8a0u2b...@teabag.cbhnet:
> According to Howard Beale <how...@REMOVEmad-as-hell.com>:
>> The Democratic Republic of?
>
> Is there some sort of international convention which demands that
> countries run by dictatorships _must_ be named along the lines of
> "The People's Free Republic Of", "The Democratic Republic Of",
> "Col. Dethwobbler's Really Nice, Free and Not At All Repressive
> Utopia Of" etc?
>
Yes and is closely tied to the convention which requires thread drift on
usenet.
--
Saint Séimí mac Liam
Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
Prophet of The Great Tagger
Canonized December '99
Me again.
Aemon offered this gem...
> It is quite a democracy as well. To my mind the Mixed Member
> Proportional voting system is the most democratic method of electing
> governments that exists in the world today.
> MMP is working very well in New Zealand now as well.
Got a site for that?
Paul...
> Aemon
--
plinehan__AT__yahoo__dot__com
I would ask that those replying to this (or any other post on usenet)
please reply *_INLINE_*. It makes replies much easier to read and is
a small courtesy towards those who wish to profit from your insight
and wisdom.
Jim Collier
John Tibbs writes:
This comes from the guy who didn't know whether Poland should
be considered a part of Asia!
Unfortunately, Fox News wasn't available to inform Jojo in the late
1960s when the Rockefeller Commission recommended that the U.S. suppress
popular movements in the Americas because a limited dictatorship was
preferable to an uncontrollable "people's government."
As if the rest of the hemisphere exists for the U.S.A.'s sake...
Nevertheless, the following countries did have democratic
governments before the U.S. overtly ended them by
coercion including invasion or covertly by abetting
coups. The results were sometimes extremely costly
as in the case of Cuba which eventually became a Marxist
state, the representative of the USSR practically within
sight of Florida. Or years of internecine warfare followed
as in the case of Guatemala. Or a despot was installed and
was eventually replaced by a more unpleasant despot in the
case of Iran.
Cuba
Philippines
Nicaragua
Chile
Guatemala
Iran
Take Asia-
The U.S. installed a dictatorship in South Korea; backed
a gang of thieves in the case of China, facilitating the
communist takeover in 1949; and most shortsightedly of all
spurned Ho Chi Minh in 1945 who came as a friend. Under
Ronald Reagan but actually starting with Jimmy Carter,
the United States armed the Taliban.
This is a starter list.
America is viewed in a bipolar fashion in the rest of the
world: in relations of state and military power, it is
viewed with apprehension, as a land of arrogant ignorance.
In culture, most of the rest of the world can't get enough
of what's American.
That's because in the post-war United States, there
was a disconnect between those who formulated culture
and those who ran the military, who had no culture
to speak of.
This bipolar view is dated, having gone retro only
in the past 24 months with the election/appointment of
George W. Bush.
--
Jim Collier
Séimí mac Liam
news:iu955vccnhuas0jn5...@4ax.com:
> Scríobh John Tibbs:
> Chile?
>
While probably technically correct, we didn't actually invade Chile.
Howard Beale
Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
> Scríobh Chris Hedley:
>
> >According to Howard Beale <how...@REMOVEmad-as-hell.com>:
> >> The Democratic Republic of?
>
> this, the DDR was the bit the Americans *didn't* invade.
What were they diong in Berlin, then?
> >Is there some sort of international convention which demands that
> >countries run by dictatorships _must_ be named along the lines of
> >"The People's Free Republic Of", "The Democratic Republic Of",
> >"Col. Dethwobbler's Really Nice, Free and Not At All Repressive
> >Utopia Of" etc?
>
> Probably the same one that demands the United Kingdom be riven
> throughout its history by separatist elements.
But still united by popular consent, and the Sun newspaper
E Kurtz
> After the second Gulf War Iraq became a prosperous parliamentary
> democracy.
> Soon all other Arab states followed suit. Nuclear proliferation
> halted because of the credibility of Bush's threats after the second
> Gulf War. The world of 2014 is a peaceful, prosperous, and just place
> because of President Bush Jr. Surely the Noble Prize is not enough.
> Let's put his bust on Mt. Rushmore and perhaps compose a new national
> anthem in his behalf.
> His courage, when the whole world was against America, has seen the
The political humorist Marc Russell suggested that Clinton deserves to
be memorialized on Mt. Rushmore, but only from the waist down.
John Gilmer
"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
> Scríobh mul:
>
> >Im trying very hard to think of one country the Americans invaded in
the
> >last 100 years,and left behind them a demoracy ?
>
Japan
Chris Hedley
> Probably the same one that demands the United Kingdom be riven
> throughout its history by separatist elements.
That'll be those southern puffs and manky Jocks, if only we could
cut ourselves off from them then things would be fine. ;)
Thalamus
news:d54a5d4c.03021...@posting.google.com...
Honduras, Nicaragua (before the Sandinistas), Cuba (before Castro),
Philipines (remember that dictator that the US propped up?), Iran (before
Khomeini), DDR (German Democratic Republic with the aid of the Soviets),
Argentina (I think Pinocet was heavily supported by the US), Venezuela,
Hawai'i (it was purchased and the inhabitants were brutally supressed, now;
where are the original inhabitants?), China (guess who pulled the rug on
Chang Kai Shek?)/Taiwan, Iraq (propped up by the US, never to be forgotten),
the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan - later emerged as the Taliban-regime (guess
who supported Osama bin Laden? the CIA).
Brian
Chris Hedley
> I'm sure you'll all have great fun in homophobe heaven
Ye're a miserable turd, Ger.
Séimí mac Liam
> According to Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir>:
>> I'm sure you'll all have great fun in homophobe heaven
>
> Ye're a miserable turd, Ger.
>
> Chris.
But. A miserable turd that smells like cinnamon
Chris Hedley
> Aye, I know, but it still rankles. Why is southern puffs ok as a
> slag, if southern niggers or southern kikes wouldn't be something
> you'd type?
I'd guess because it's a use of the word's original sense where it
denigrates men with tendencies to be affectedly frilly and effeminate
rather than a direct homosexual reference; and, I'm afraid, the
circular reasoning which suggests the level of acceptance of a term
is pretty much based on itself, which is why it's Bad for whitey to
say "nigger" but it's fine for a black guy to talk about "niggaz" etc.
But probably mostly because nobody's really made a big deal out of it
[to me, and until now] other than to respond "Northern maggot" etc
which is probably par for the course.
Besides, the defining characteristic of most Southerners isn't that
they're predominantly black or Jewish but that they're a bunch of
useless, foppish gets.
winter
> The political humorist Marc Russell suggested that Clinton
> deserves to be memorialized on Mt. Rushmore, but only from the
> waist down.
where the attention of those he
speaks to and for can mostly be
found.
:)
rgrds,
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Aemon
<pa...@learn.to.swim.was.just.an.angry.response.to.a.billy.wright.lover>
wrote:
>Aemon offered this gem...
>
>> It is quite a democracy as well. To my mind the Mixed Member
>> Proportional voting system is the most democratic method of electing
>> governments that exists in the world today.
>
>> MMP is working very well in New Zealand now as well.
>
>Got a site for that?
http://www.elections.org.nz/elections/esyst/govt_elect.html
Is that what you're looking for or are you wanting an independant
analysis?
Aemon
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
Hedley) wrote:
[snip moderator on why it's wrong to use generalised cultural labels
as offensive jokes: no irony detected so far]
>But probably mostly because nobody's really made a big deal out of it
>[to me, and until now] other than to respond "Northern maggot" etc
>which is probably par for the course.
Just as well, I think you should strenuously object to being called
something as prejudicial and offensive as "northern maggot", you soft
southern poof.
>Besides, the defining characteristic of most Southerners isn't that
>they're predominantly black or Jewish but that they're a bunch of
>useless, foppish gets.
Brought to you from darkest Oxfordshire....
Gavin Bailey
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Westprog
"Thalamus" <zh...@online.no> wrote in message
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> "John Tibbs" <jwt...@msn.com> skrev i melding
> news:d54a5d4c.03021...@posting.google.com...
> > "mul" <ecobag_...@eircom.net> wrote in message
> news:<nls4a.10331$V6.1...@news.indigo.ie>...
> > > Im trying very hard to think of one country the Americans invaded
in
> the
> > > last 100 years,and left behind them a demoracy ?
> > > I can think of a few democratic countries that the Americans turned
into
> > > dictatorships.
> > Name 'em!
> Honduras, Nicaragua (before the Sandinistas), Cuba (before Castro),
> Philipines (remember that dictator that the US propped up?), Iran (before
> Khomeini), DDR (German Democratic Republic with the aid of the Soviets),
> Argentina (I think Pinocet was heavily supported by the US),
Is there some confusion here between Chile and Argentina, and Galtierri,
Pinochet and Exocet?
> Venezuela,
> Hawai'i (it was purchased and the inhabitants were brutally supressed,
now;
> where are the original inhabitants?), China (guess who pulled the rug on
> Chang Kai Shek?)/Taiwan, Iraq (propped up by the US, never to be
forgotten),
> the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan - later emerged as the Taliban-regime (guess
> who supported Osama bin Laden? the CIA).
Many of the above were certainly not democracies when the USA intervened.
In
many cases, the USA can't be given primary responsibility for screwing the
place up. China was wrecked by the Japanese, for example.
I don't doubt that the CIA sometimes subverted democracies to allow
US-friendly military dictatorships into power. That isn't all they did
though. South America has moved in great part from brutal, corrupt military
dictatorships to unstable, corrupt, fragile democracies in the last twenty
years. If America is to be blamed for overthrowing Allende, they should get
some credit for the good, or rather, less bad state of things now.
J/
SOTW: "How Death Comes" - Mediaeval Baebes
Westprog
"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
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> Scríobh Chris Hedley:
..
> >Is there some sort of international convention which demands that
> >countries run by dictatorships _must_ be named along the lines of
> >"The People's Free Republic Of", "The Democratic Republic Of",
> >"Col. Dethwobbler's Really Nice, Free and Not At All Repressive
> >Utopia Of" etc?
> Probably the same one that demands the United Kingdom be riven
> throughout its history by separatist elements.
Unlike er... let me see... Japan? That's all I can think of now, but there
must be others.
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
> >Is there some sort of international convention which demands that
>> >countries run by dictatorships _must_ be named along the lines of
>> >"The People's Free Republic Of", "The Democratic Republic Of",
>> >"Col. Dethwobbler's Really Nice, Free and Not At All Repressive
>> >Utopia Of" etc?
>
>> Probably the same one that demands the United Kingdom be riven
>> throughout its history by separatist elements.
>
>Unlike er... let me see... Japan? That's all I can think of now, but there
>must be others.
Or perhaps the same factor that demands Ireland be called Ireland
despite not being Ireland.
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
>Many of the above were certainly not democracies when the USA intervened.
>In
>many cases, the USA can't be given primary responsibility for screwing the
>place up. China was wrecked by the Japanese, for example.
Followed by those well-known American imperialists, Chiang and Mao.
Not to forget the support given to by the Americans to the brutal
Stalinist regime of North Vietnam .
Chris Hedley
> Just as well, I think you should strenuously object to being called
> something as prejudicial and offensive as "northern maggot", you soft
> southern poof.
I didn't say that there wouldn't be an ensuing escalation of hostilities.
> Brought to you from darkest Oxfordshire....
Well, the missus is from Oxfordshire so that's where we're staying. At
least it's not M25sville.
Fr. Des
I do give credit where it is due. During the Clinton years, US foreign
policy in Latin America did change for the better. The place is still a
mess
but some of that mess was created by the years of dictatorships. What happened
in Chile especially, was outrageous. I know there was a cold war but
"disappearing" people just because they were university lecturers gives
me the creeps and I take it very personally.
Fr. Des
Westprog
"Fr. Des" <fath...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3e539c54$1...@muppet.boards.ie...
> "Westprog" <west...@hotmail.com> wrote:
..
> I do give credit where it is due. During the Clinton years, US foreign
> policy in Latin America did change for the better. The place is still
a
> mess but some of that mess was created by the years of dictatorships.
In fact democratisation was under way long before Clinton. I don't know if
it started under Carter but it certainly continued under Reagan and Bush(1).
There's a case that much of the mess happened under democracy. Argentina's
disaster was caused by traditional democratic pandering to the electorate
without thought of the consequences. The dictatorships tended to do even
worse though.
> What happened
> in Chile especially, was outrageous. I know there was a cold war but
> "disappearing" people just because they were university lecturers gives
> me the creeps and I take it very personally.
I can see the objection, in theory.
docaay
>
> I do give credit where it is due. During the Clinton years, US foreign
> policy in Latin America did change for the better. The place is still a
> mess
> but some of that mess was created by the years of dictatorships. What happened
> in Chile especially, was outrageous. I know there was a cold war but
> "disappearing" people just because they were university lecturers gives
> me the creeps and I take it very personally.
>
> Fr. Des
They haven't found you yet, Des?
Doc
KateH
KateH
Ergoge the Niffirg
<how...@REMOVEmad-as-hell.com> wrote:
>
>Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
>news:so955vcn0ooje1t6f...@4ax.com...
>> Scríobh Chris Hedley:
>>
>> >According to Howard Beale <how...@REMOVEmad-as-hell.com>:
>> >> The Democratic Republic of?
>>
>> IIRC, and I'm sure the academics of the newsgroup will back me on
>> this, the DDR was the bit the Americans *didn't* invade.
>
>What were they diong in Berlin, then?
>
Berlin was decided into four zones, the Russian, the French, the
British and the American zones. It was decided that way as part of the
settlement at the end of the war.
>
--
Egoreg
Never ask a Donegal man to translate for you
Chris Hedley
> Us unofficial moderators must be made of sterner stuff.
I can't help feeling that reeks of grandiosity somewhat; any effort
that's made to police unacceptable behaviour is admirable, but I can't
help feeling that the motive behind this one is less altruistic. It's
hardly the first time someone's been made out to look like a wanker by
taking some random comment out of context, after all, and I'm a bit
tired of the smug, sanctimonious posturing.
Let me make my position clear: if anyone's been offended by anything
I've said, please accept my apologies; my remarks are generally meant
in good humour and no true harm is intended. I doubt if I'll be
afforded the same slack by certain people who make it their business
to offend in their slickly acceptable manner, to whom I shall simply
say "fuck off" if they wish to pursue this one. Frankly I'm too ill
to get embroiled in dealing with this sort of crap, and if that means
that I have to bow out once and for all then I hope that makes you
happy.
Chris Hedley
> Twasn't meant to be Chris. It was just a wee sideways swipe at Gavin,
> who's assigned the role to me.
Sorry. I think I left my sense of humour switched off today and have
been feeling a little oversensitive.
Chesney Christ
>Many of the above were certainly not democracies when the USA intervened.
The USA isn't a democracy.
Let's invade it.
--
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1987-AUG-27: "No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as
citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation
under God."
Chesney Christ
"fame", writes :
>On 19 Feb 2003 13:28:03 GMT, "Westprog" <west...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Many of the above were certainly not democracies when the USA intervened.
>>In
>>many cases, the USA can't be given primary responsibility for screwing the
>>place up. China was wrecked by the Japanese, for example.
>
>Followed by those well-known American imperialists, Chiang and Mao.
The communists that don't need an embargo because they are okay really,
mainly because of the hundreds of millions of hungry consumers behind
their lines. I'm sure Castro would be pleased with such a tolerant
approach.
>But, first, want speed.
[..] where the hell do you get this crazy stuff ? :)
unki
There is about as much chance in the so called 'Rebel County' of a revolution
as Charlie Haughey enjoying a modest lifestyle.
Sir Roy Keane and Lord Denis Irwin - two steadfast defenders of Albion culture
and commerce with Cork accents.
The only thing Des has to worry about is being chased during the Tivoli Fox
Hunt so they can upholster a sofa that the local GAA club using his arsehairs.
KateH
> According to Féachadóir
> > Twasn't meant to be Chris. It was just a wee sideways swipe at Gavin,
> > who's assigned the role to me.
>
> Sorry. I think I left my sense of humour switched off today
A dangerous thing to do........ever.
Kate(you risk-taker, you)H :)
KateH
> A certain Westprog, of soc.culture.irish "fame", writes :
> >Many of the above were certainly not democracies when the USA intervened.
>
> The USA isn't a democracy.
> Let's invade it.
Again?!
KateH
Chris Hedley
> Being a lifelong target of critical humour can't be wearying and isolating
> for gays, but having a predjudice contradicted once in a blue moon calls
> instantly for an aggrieved handicap card to be played?
I've already apologised for any affront, however cackhandedly, as well
as for going off on one toward Ger; and I mean it. But let's not play
off one accusation of prejudice against another.
Chris Hedley
> A dangerous thing to do........ever.
> Kate(you risk-taker, you)H :)
Dangerous? Probably. Risk-taker? Well, certainly rather ill-advised! :o
Howard Beale
Ergoge the Niffirg <Firg_...@com.not.btinternet> wrote in message
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So?
--
Howard Beale
"I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore"
Howard Beale
Chesney Christ <thegreat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZH2IaaNV...@ntlworld.com...
> A certain Westprog, of soc.culture.irish "fame", writes :
> >Many of the above were certainly not democracies when the USA intervened.
>
> The USA isn't a democracy.
>
> Let's invade it.
We already did.
Me again.
Aemon offered this gem...
> >Got a site for that?
> http://www.elections.org.nz/elections/esyst/govt_elect.html
> Is that what you're looking for or are you wanting an independant
> analysis?
That'll do. Why is it better than STV PR?
Paul...
> Aemon
--
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I would ask that those replying to this (or any other post on usenet)
please reply *_INLINE_*. It makes replies much easier to read and is
a small courtesy towards those who wish to profit from your insight
and wisdom.
Me again.
unki offered this gem...
> The only thing Des has to worry about is being chased during the Tivoli Fox
> Hunt so they can upholster a sofa that the local GAA club using his arsehairs.
Darlink, Cork arsehairs are zooo last year. Riiiley!
Paul...
Paul Carr
"The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" <occu...@bonkers.net> wrote in
message news:3e53875e...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
> On 19 Feb 2003 13:28:59 GMT, "Westprog" <west...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >Is there some sort of international convention which demands that
> >> >countries run by dictatorships _must_ be named along the lines of
> >> >"The People's Free Republic Of", "The Democratic Republic Of",
> >> >"Col. Dethwobbler's Really Nice, Free and Not At All Repressive
> >> >Utopia Of" etc?
> >
> >> Probably the same one that demands the United Kingdom be riven
> >> throughout its history by separatist elements.
> >
> >Unlike er... let me see... Japan? That's all I can think of now, but
there
> >must be others.
>
> Or perhaps the same factor that demands Ireland be called Ireland
> despite not being Ireland.
It's silly I agree. Generally, when posting, I would type Republic of
Ireland initially, and then, as the post progressed, I revert to Ireland (in
the understanding that ye know what I mean)
Paul Carr
Paul Carr
"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
> Scríobh mul:
>
> >Im trying very hard to think of one country the Americans invaded in
the
> >last 100 years,and left behind them a demoracy ?
>
Italy, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Austria (well the extreme
western part of it). As a result of the "Cold War", which many people can
reasonably argue was also won by the United States, plenty of "Eastern"
European countries, free of Soviet influence (the Soviet Union being the
defeated party to America's victor), became democracies, including Poland,
Czech, Hungary, Slovenia, these, among others, will be joining the European
Union in 2004.
Paul Carr
Paul Carr
"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
> Scríobh Féachadóir:
> >Scríobh John Tibbs:
the
> >>> last 100 years,and left behind them a demoracy ?
into
> >>> dictatorships.
> >>> Mul
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Name 'em!
> >
> >Chile?
>
> BTW, anyone catch the RTÉ documentary on the attempted coup against
> President Chavez on True Lives this evening?
>
> Venezuelans have iron balls.
And State TV. Just as well the technicians were able to get the channel up
and running again in order to enable the deposed Chavez government to stage
a counter-coup.
Paul Carr
Viva La Technicians - don't know the Spanish for Technicians :-(
Aemon
<pa...@learn.to.swim.was.just.an.angry.response.to.a.billy.wright.lover>
wrote:
>Aemon offered this gem...
>
>
>> >Got a site for that?
>
>> http://www.elections.org.nz/elections/esyst/govt_elect.html
>
>> Is that what you're looking for or are you wanting an independant
>> analysis?
>
>
>That'll do. Why is it better than STV PR?
Because it represents the desires across the whole country. There
might be a "Blue Buses are Better" Candidate standing in Galway East
but not standing in Wexford so voters in Wexford who earnestly wanted
to vote "Blue Buses are Better" could not do so. With MMP one can do
that.
STV is certainly better than First Past the Post (FPP) but MMP (Mixed
Member Proportional) like Germany and New Zealand is, imho, more
democratic because it reflects the wishes of the electorate right
across the country whereas STV doesn't.
To take an actual Irish example, consider Joe Higgins the Socialist
Party T.D. He's the only representative for the Socialist Party in
Dail Eireann, (please excuse me if I'm wrong here - if so assume for
the sake of argument), the Socialist Party might get 5% of the vote
across the country if the voters thought that by giving a vote for the
proportional representation of the party would make a difference and
consequently the SP would obtain 5% representation in the Dail.
To make an example of the New Zealand system. We have two votes. One
is for the local electorate candidates and the other is for the "list"
vote". It is the list votes that determine the % of representation for
any given party in our parliament. The threshold for representation is
either 5% of the list vote for one's party (this keeps out the
extremist minority parties) OR a candidate winning a local electorate
by gaining the most votes within that electorate. If the latter
happens then the % of the vote, should that happen to be less than 5%
for the party of the elected candidate will be represented by
candidates nominated on the list for the party.
An advantage of this system is that, by coalitions, it means that the
sorts of policies that are seemingly wanted by the electorates are
implemented. For example, the "Moral Majority" who are actually about
4% of the NZ population have an impact on policy that is, albeit
small, but most likely appropriate to their 4% showing, if you take my
meaning.
A consequence is, that due to coalitions, MMP is less likely to create
an extremist policy position within a government, unlike FPP where one
party might win am absolute majority by itself because its opponent's
votes are split and therefore often wasted.
MPP counts every vote.
In 1951, 1972 and 1984 we had political parties here in NZ that
obtaint 10-11% of the vote but obtained no parliamentary
representation at all. That, to my mind, is wrong, whether I agree
with them or not.
The New Zealand system has taken some ironing out but seems to be
working very well these days. The largest bug was list MP's jumping
ship and becoming independants between elections. That has been sorted
out now.
Nik
Paul Carr
"Aemon" <repub...@email.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
> To make an example of the New Zealand system. We have two votes. One
> is for the local electorate candidates and the other is for the "list"
> vote". It is the list votes that determine the % of representation for
> any given party in our parliament. The threshold for representation is
> either 5% of the list vote for one's party (this keeps out the
> extremist minority parties) OR a candidate winning a local electorate
> by gaining the most votes within that electorate. If the latter
> happens then the % of the vote, should that happen to be less than 5%
> for the party of the elected candidate will be represented by
> candidates nominated on the list for the party.
>
> An advantage of this system is that, by coalitions, it means that the
> sorts of policies that are seemingly wanted by the electorates are
> implemented. For example, the "Moral Majority" who are actually about
> 4% of the NZ population have an impact on policy that is, albeit
> small, but most likely appropriate to their 4% showing, if you take my
> meaning.
So if a candidate gets the most votes within a constituency, he/she gets
elected regardless of whether his/her party gets the minimum of 5% of the
vote necessary. Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't that likely lead to
a situation where parties with less than 5% of the total vote, could have
considerably less than 5% in the parliament at the end of the day. (since it
would be rather difficult, I would imagine for a candidate (especially one
from a smaller party) to top the poll in an individual constituency).
Actually, I think Mixed Member Proportional is a very good system. And I
thank you for your contribution. Germany has it in Europe. According to
http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrights/prindex.html so does Hungary and
Italy in Europe as well as Mexico, Venezuela and Bolivia. Though,
curiously, New Zealand is presented on the map as having the party list
system. By far the most popular in Scandinavia and Western and Central
Europe though, especially amongst the smaller European states (and Spain) is
the Party List System.
I think the party list comes in difficult flavours, open lists, closed lists
and mixed lists. I think Sweden has an open list. As I recall in Sweden,
there are about 12 to 13 multi-seat constituencies (each with approx. 8 to 9
seats)) which are filled by the electorate by means of lists presented by
the parties). However, a voter can in addition to voting for a party list,
presented by a political party, vote for a particular candidate on the list
(a personalized vote). In other words, in spite of my limited knowledge of
the Party List system, there is quite a bit of flexibility built into it.
From http://www.cld.org/waw6.htm
"The Party List system has been used in Sweden since 1909, which makes it
easier for women to get in the electoral race. Of the 349 seats in the
Riksdag (Parliament), 310 are divided among the 29 multi-member
constituencies while the 39 remaining seats are voted at large. A party must
obtain at least 4% of the votes cast throughout the country or 12% in a
constituency. The Riksdag has the highest representation rate of women in
the world at 43.6 % in 1999".
From http://www.riksdagen.se/english/members/f01_val_en.asp
"The electorate vote for parties but can now also cast personalised votes by
marking the name of a particular candidate on the voting slip. Only one name
may be marked in this way. Personalised voting is voluntary. By using a
personalised vote, the voter can affect the choice of candidates to
represent the party voted for.................."
"Members of the Riksdag are selected primarily on the strength of votes cast
for them personally. The personalised vote score is the number of
personalised votes cast for a particular candidate in a particular
constituency. In order to be returned on the strength of personalised votes,
the candidate must have gained such votes corresponding to at least 8 per
cent of the party vote in the constituency. If two or more candidates have
fulfilled this requirement, they will be returned in the order of their
personalised vote scores. If it is not possible to appoint all members on
the strength of personalised votes, the d'Hondt method will be used
instead."
More resources.
http://intranet.qe.dorset.sch.uk/electoralrefor/info/list.html
http://www.lcc.gc.ca/en/themes/gr/er/discussion_paper/appendix_a.asp
http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrights/prindex.html
http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrights/democracy/table-pr.html
Here's a map showing the various systems used throughout the world.
http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrights/prindex.html
Note how Ireland's quaint system makes it stick out like a sore thumb. ;-).
(keeping Tasmania and I think Malta for company as well as "for the upper
house elections in Australia, and for some provincial and municipal contests
in Manitoba and Alberta from about 1920 to 1960." (from
http://www.lcc.gc.ca/en/themes/gr/er/discussion_paper/appendix_a.asp )
I am sure Nicholas Whyte will be along soon to put me in the right. ;-).
Paul Carr
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
<how...@REMOVEmad-as-hell.com> wrote:
>> >> >According to Howard Beale <how...@REMOVEmad-as-hell.com>:
>> >> >> The Democratic Republic of?
>> >>
>> >> IIRC, and I'm sure the academics of the newsgroup will back me on
>> >> this, the DDR was the bit the Americans *didn't* invade.
>> >
>> >What were they diong in Berlin, then?
>> >
>> Berlin was decided into four zones, the Russian, the French, the
>> British and the American zones. It was decided that way as part of the
>> settlement at the end of the war.
>
>So?
So the area administered under US occupation in 1945 was not precsiely
identical to the area that American forces overran in the fighting -
otherwise West Germany would have extended into Saxony up to Leipzig.
The Americans (and Russians), and British) over-ran areas during the
fighting which were then handed over to other allies for
administration in accordance with earlier agreements.
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
>>>Unlike er... let me see... Japan? That's all I can think of now, but there
>>>must be others.
>>
>>Or perhaps the same factor that demands Ireland be called Ireland
>>despite not being Ireland.
>
>Ireland is Ireland, it just isn't all of Ireland. HTH.
And not all jocks are manky, either.
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
<thegreat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>Many of the above were certainly not democracies when the USA intervened.
>>>In
>>>many cases, the USA can't be given primary responsibility for screwing the
>>>place up. China was wrecked by the Japanese, for example.
>>
>>Followed by those well-known American imperialists, Chiang and Mao.
>
>The communists that don't need an embargo because they are okay really,
>mainly because of the hundreds of millions of hungry consumers behind
>their lines. I'm sure Castro would be pleased with such a tolerant
>approach.
You have passed the first stage of your training, grasshopper. Now
wash on, wash off.
>>But, first, want speed.
>
>[..] where the hell do you get this crazy stuff ? :)
Some overclocking whacko on the internet from long ago.
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
>>And not all jocks are manky, either.
>
>Glad to hear the Persil is working then
Want some Irish jokes to take exception to, or do you just police
homophobic cracks these days?
Gavin Bailey
--
Apply three phase AC 415V direct to MB. This work real good. How you know, you
ask? Simple, chip get real HOT. System not work, but no can tell from this.
Exactly same as before. Do it now. - Bart Kwan En
Marjana
"Paul Carr" <paul...@iol.ie> wrote in message
news:b31akk$gar$1...@dorito.esatclear.ie...
As a result of the "Cold War", which many people can
> reasonably argue was also won by the United States, plenty of "Eastern"
> European countries, free of Soviet influence (the Soviet Union being the
> defeated party to America's victor), became democracies, including Poland,
> Czech, Hungary, Slovenia, these, among others, will be joining the
European
> Union in 2004.
>
> Paul Carr
I've always thought that we got "free of Soviet influence" already in
1948...
Marjana
Fr. Des
Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
>Scríobh The Revolution Will Not Be Televised:
>
>>On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:25:03 +0000, Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
>>
>>>>And not all jocks are manky, either.
>>>
>>>Glad to hear the Persil is working then
>>
>>Want some Irish jokes to take exception to, or do you just police
>>homophobic cracks these days?
>
>get back to you.
Colonel Blimp types
Matthew Huntbach
All readers of the Daily Telegraph
People who vote for A Nation Once Again as best song ever
People who vote Sinn Fein or DUP
People who think it is ok to vote Sinn Fein but reprehensible to vote DUP
People who vote DUP but think that voting SF makes you evil
People who make excuses for murdering RUC men or soldiers
People who make excuses for Bloody Sunday or Internment
People who pontificate from afar about all the horrible people involved in
N.I.
That is without getting near:
Clothes shop owners who blast Muzak outside their shops
People who choose the voices for speaking lifts (elevators)
Fr. Des
>
>--
>"Ferr fíor fertaib"
>Féachadóir
Fr. Des
Plus
House makeover programme makers
Celebrity quiz/cookery/house makeover show makers
Donald Rumsfeld
Robin Cook
Jeffrey Archer
That bloke who played the Hotel Inspector in Fawlty Towers
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
>>>>And not all jocks are manky, either.
>>>
>>>Glad to hear the Persil is working then
>>
>>Want some Irish jokes to take exception to, or do you just police
>>homophobic cracks these days?
>
>Tell you what, give me a list of acceptable groups to bash, and I'll
>get back to you.
Evidently Scots figure on yours. Please confine your prejudicial
comments to acceptable targets such as wegians in future.
Gavin Bailey
--
Bart show you running dog. Work so smooth, have no problem at all.
Solution elegant. Yes. Minor problem, use 25000 CPU cycle for 1
instruction, this why all need overclock Pentium. Dumbass.
- Bart Kwan En
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
>Plus
>
>House makeover programme makers
>Celebrity quiz/cookery/house makeover show makers
>Donald Rumsfeld
>Robin Cook
>Jeffrey Archer
>That bloke who played the Hotel Inspector in Fawlty Towers
Car adverts.
In fact, all TV ads.
BBC costume drama.
Ashcroft.
Ashcroft when covering up statues because they sexually excite him.
Ashcroft when singing John Denveresque folk guitar ballads about
American patriotism, "The precision-guided munitions beneath my
wings....."
Tory MPs.
The contents of Des Higgins' record collection.
Any film with David Warner in it.
Can I vote for Jeffrey Archer again?
docaay
> People who choose the voices for speaking lifts (elevators)
>
> Fr. Des
>
Tell me, Father, what do these elvators say to you?
Doc
(just lie back on the couch, now, you don't have to cross
yerself)
Fr. Des
docaay <**docaye**@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Fr. Des" wrote:
>> People who choose the voices for speaking lifts (elevators)
>>
>> Fr. Des
>>
>
>Tell me, Father, what do these elvators say to you?
There is one I use every day (several times a day) that tells me in a very
loud
voice that:
The Door is OPening
The Door is closing
Going up
Going Down
Fourth floor (etc.)
In a horrible posh English accent (not a manly accent with character but
one
that reminds me of my oppressed past and poor haplotypes).
I am seriously considering vandalism.
Fr. Des
>
>Doc
>(just lie back on the couch, now, you don't have to cross
>yerself)
--
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http://www.boards.ie/
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After Hours - Games - Technology - Work - For Sale
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
>>Evidently Scots figure on yours.
>
>Where'd I bash the Scots?
You didn't; but apparently Chris bashing Scots isn't worthy of the
same policing as homophobic banter. Or did your lengthy sojourn in
the Great Satan make you think he was bashing American football
athletes?
Fr. Des
occu...@bonkers.net (The Revolution Will Not Be Televised) wrote:
>On 20 Feb 2003 14:58:00 GMT, "Fr. Des" <fath...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Plus
>>
>>House makeover programme makers
>>Celebrity quiz/cookery/house makeover show makers
>>Donald Rumsfeld
>>Robin Cook
>>Jeffrey Archer
>>That bloke who played the Hotel Inspector in Fawlty Towers
>
>Car adverts.
>In fact, all TV ads.
>BBC costume drama.
>Ashcroft.
>Ashcroft when covering up statues because they sexually excite him.
>Ashcroft when singing John Denveresque folk guitar ballads about
>American patriotism, "The precision-guided munitions beneath my
>wings....."
>Tory MPs.
>The contents of Des Higgins' record collection.
>Any film with David Warner in it.
>
>Can I vote for Jeffrey Archer again?
Yes indeed
Vote early and often.
Fr. Des
docaay
>
> docaay <**docaye**@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >"Fr. Des" wrote:
> >> People who choose the voices for speaking lifts (elevators)
> >>
> >> Fr. Des
> >>
> >
> >Tell me, Father, what do these elvators say to you?
>
> There is one I use every day (several times a day) that tells me in a very
> loud
> voice that:
>
> The Door is OPening
> The Door is closing
> Going up
> Going Down
> Fourth floor (etc.)
> In a horrible posh English accent (not a manly accent with character but
> one
> that reminds me of my oppressed past and poor haplotypes).
>
> I am seriously considering vandalism.
>
> Fr. Des
I've been in that elevator! (or one of the sisters of that
elevator) What's bad is when you start answering. "Yes, dear,
the door is closing, thank you". I think they do that for blind
people, but here we have Braille numbers on the doors. Much
quieter.
Doc
(handing you a hammer)
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
>>>Where'd I bash the Scots?
>>
>>You didn't; but apparently Chris bashing Scots isn't worthy of the
>>same policing as homophobic banter. Or did your lengthy sojourn in
>>the Great Satan make you think he was bashing American football
>>athletes?
>
>So I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't?
Who's damning you for objecting to homophobic humour?
Séimí mac Liam
news:3e550a52$1...@muppet.boards.ie:
>
> docaay <**docaye**@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>"Fr. Des" wrote:
>>> People who choose the voices for speaking lifts (elevators)
>>>
>>> Fr. Des
>>>
>>
>>Tell me, Father, what do these elvators say to you?
>
> There is one I use every day (several times a day) that tells me in a
> very loud
> voice that:
>
> The Door is OPening
> The Door is closing
> Going up
> Going Down
> Fourth floor (etc.)
> In a horrible posh English accent (not a manly accent with character
> but one
> that reminds me of my oppressed past and poor haplotypes).
>
> I am seriously considering vandalism.
>
Probably all this is rooted in the shame you feel about your Germanic
ancestors and their oppressive behavior.
--
Saint Séimí mac Liam
Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
Prophet of The Great Tagger
Canonized December '99
Aemon
wrote:
>
>"Aemon" <repub...@email.com> wrote in message
>news:nkg85vgrca2uc8la2...@4ax.com...
><snip>
>
>> To make an example of the New Zealand system. We have two votes. One
>> is for the local electorate candidates and the other is for the "list"
>> vote". It is the list votes that determine the % of representation for
>> any given party in our parliament. The threshold for representation is
>> either 5% of the list vote for one's party (this keeps out the
>> extremist minority parties) OR a candidate winning a local electorate
>> by gaining the most votes within that electorate. If the latter
>> happens then the % of the vote, should that happen to be less than 5%
>> for the party of the elected candidate will be represented by
>> candidates nominated on the list for the party.
>>
>> An advantage of this system is that, by coalitions, it means that the
>> sorts of policies that are seemingly wanted by the electorates are
>> implemented. For example, the "Moral Majority" who are actually about
>> 4% of the NZ population have an impact on policy that is, albeit
>> small, but most likely appropriate to their 4% showing, if you take my
>> meaning.
>
>So if a candidate gets the most votes within a constituency, he/she gets
>elected regardless of whether his/her party gets the minimum of 5% of the
>vote necessary.
That is right.
> Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't that likely lead to
>a situation where parties with less than 5% of the total vote, could have
>considerably less than 5% in the parliament at the end of the day.
No. Say if one member of the "Screaming Blue Meanies" was elected
within their electorate and over the whole country the SBMs got 3% of
the electorate (assume a parliament of 100 members to make the maths
easier) then their representation would be 3 members. Their single
electorate representative and 2 from their party list.
> (since it
>would be rather difficult, I would imagine for a candidate (especially one
>from a smaller party) to top the poll in an individual constituency).
It has happened in New Zealand. Winston Peters who was the leader of
the "New Zealand First" an anti-immigration popularist pro-retirees
party is consistently elected in in the Tauranga Electorate and he
brings more members with him though they have hovered around the 5%
mark more often than not.
>Actually, I think Mixed Member Proportional is a very good system. And I
>thank you for your contribution.
I think so too and I thank you for your comment.
> Germany has it in Europe. According to
>http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrights/prindex.html so does Hungary and
>Italy in Europe as well as Mexico, Venezuela and Bolivia. Though,
>curiously, New Zealand is presented on the map as having the party list
>system. By far the most popular in Scandinavia and Western and Central
>Europe though, especially amongst the smaller European states (and Spain) is
>the Party List System.
>
>I think the party list comes in difficult flavours, open lists, closed lists
>and mixed lists. I think Sweden has an open list.
To my mind open lists are a must - if I take your meaning properly. An
open list is one where the electorate know who's on the list as
opposed to a closed where they don't. Is that right?
> As I recall in Sweden,
>there are about 12 to 13 multi-seat constituencies (each with approx. 8 to 9
>seats)) which are filled by the electorate by means of lists presented by
>the parties). However, a voter can in addition to voting for a party list,
>presented by a political party, vote for a particular candidate on the list
>(a personalized vote). In other words, in spite of my limited knowledge of
>the Party List system, there is quite a bit of flexibility built into it.
That sounds good.
>From http://www.cld.org/waw6.htm
>
>"The Party List system has been used in Sweden since 1909, which makes it
>easier for women to get in the electoral race.
At one stage in the recent past we, here in NZ, had a female Prime
Minister, a female Head of the Opposition, a female Governor-General,
and a bunch of other top ranking female officials. New Zealand is
quite a feministy country - in a most sensible way though.
Prostitution is about to be liberalised here.
That is not brilliant company I must say. Tasmania has a sordid
history of oppression.
> and I think Malta for company as well as "for the upper
>house elections in Australia, and for some provincial and municipal contests
>in Manitoba and Alberta from about 1920 to 1960." (from
>http://www.lcc.gc.ca/en/themes/gr/er/discussion_paper/appendix_a.asp )
>
>I am sure Nicholas Whyte will be along soon to put me in the right. ;-).
We can only hope.
Nik
docaay
>
> Scríobh The Revolution Will Not Be Televised:
>
> >
> >>>>Where'd I bash the Scots?
> >>>
> >>>You didn't; but apparently Chris bashing Scots isn't worthy of the
> >>>same policing as homophobic banter. Or did your lengthy sojourn in
> >>>the Great Satan make you think he was bashing American football
> >>>athletes?
> >>
> >>So I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't?
> >
> >Who's damning you for objecting to homophobic humour?
>
>
> --
> "Ferr fíor fertaib"
> Féachadóir
Ouch, ouch..hot, hot!!! You ever play that game "hot potato"?
Doc
docaay
>
> Scríobh docaay:
>
> >Ouch, ouch..hot, hot!!! You ever play that game "hot potato"?
>
> haplotype to prevent that. Natural selection famine kinda thing.
>
> --
> "Ferr fíor fertaib"
> Féachadóir
I think that gene is linked with sparkly blue eyes and a tendency
to speak shite.
Doc
Terry McT
wrote:
Q: What do you say to an angry, 300lb potato?
A: Anything, just butter him up!
Please, return to fussing at each other.
Terry
Terry McT
> "Féachadóir" wrote:
A blonde, a brunette, and a redhead are running from the police after
robbing a bank. They pull into a dark alleyway, where they see three
potato sacks, each about a block apart. So they all jump out of the car
and hide in separate potato sacks. The cops come down the alleyway, and
see the sacks with something in them. They walk up to the first sack
with the redhead in it one of the cops prods the sack with his foot.
The redhead thinks fast and says "meow!" and the police officers think
that it's just a cat, and move one to the next sack. The brunette,
following the redhead's example and says "woof!" when the cops prod the
sack. They go to the last sack with the blonde in it and prod it, to
which the blonde, following the other women's example, says "Potato!"
Terry
docaay
Was this related to Ger at all?
Doc
docaay
>
>
They go to the last sack with the blonde in it and prod it, to
> which the blonde, following the other women's example, says "Potato!"
>
> Terry
As a representative of that hair persuasion, I have to say "huh?"
Doc
KateH
> So I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't?
That's where "Well, I'll be damned" comes from.........after a while,
eventually, when you don't even bother trying to figure out if you did or
didn't..any more.
KateH
KateH
> Terry McT wrote:
> > Q: What do you say to an angry, 300lb potato?
> > A: Anything, just butter him up!
> > Please, return to fussing at each other.
>
Just the "butter him up" part.
KateH
docaay
That's what I thought. Nice to see you again, Ms. Kate(H).
Doc
KateH
> KateH wrote:
> > "docaay" wrote ...
> > > Terry McT wrote:
> > > > Q: What do you say to an angry, 300lb potato?
> > > > A: Anything, just butter him up!
> > > > Please, return to fussing at each other.
> > >
> > > Was this related to Ger at all?
> >
> > Just the "butter him up" part.
>
I was gone a bit...should do good things to my Feb. rating. :)
You've been busy too, eh?
KateH :)
KateH
> You people are sick
Thanks for noticing.
KateH
docaay
>
> Scríobh KateH:
>
> --
> "Ferr fíor fertaib"
> Féachadóir
Well, we certainly would be if we'd just eaten a 300 pound
potato.
Doc
Howard Beale
Fr. Des <fath...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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People who cut the tails off little puppies, and shoot foxes
--
Howard Beale
"I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore"
Howard Beale
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised <occu...@bonkers.net> wrote in
message news:3e548c3...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:48:57 -0000, "Howard Beale"
> <how...@REMOVEmad-as-hell.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >According to Howard Beale <how...@REMOVEmad-as-hell.com>:
> >> >> >> The Democratic Republic of?
> >> >>
> >> >> IIRC, and I'm sure the academics of the newsgroup will back me on
> >> >> this, the DDR was the bit the Americans *didn't* invade.
> >> >
> >> >What were they diong in Berlin, then?
> >> >
> >> Berlin was decided into four zones, the Russian, the French, the
> >> British and the American zones. It was decided that way as part of the
> >> settlement at the end of the war.
> >
> >So?
>
> So the area administered under US occupation in 1945 was not precsiely
> identical to the area that American forces overran in the fighting -
> otherwise West Germany would have extended into Saxony up to Leipzig.
> The Americans (and Russians), and British) over-ran areas during the
> fighting which were then handed over to other allies for
> administration in accordance with earlier agreements.
Still technically an invasion
Terry McT
wrote:
Everything is related to Ger in one way or another.
Terry
Terry McT
wrote:
Among potatoes, you are a Yukon gold, my dear.
Terry