list of mi6 officers
leo...@nwportal.com
www.cryptome.org
has published 74 alleged mi6 officers operating under diplomatic cover
round the world.many are different from the 1999 list published on the
net
banana
leo...@nwportal.com writes
Thanks for this.
From:
<http://cryptome.org/mi6-list2.htm>
[where the "*" is described as meaning that they are listed in the HM
Diplomatic Service Overseas Reference List, August 2005, and their
listed positions and stations match those listed here]:
***BEGIN***
List of MI6 Officers Worldwide (Asia, Africa, Australia)
Madeleine Kay Alessandri: dob 1965; 90 Vienna, 96 Frankfurt, 04 Tokyo
(Cllr).*
Ian Walter Baharie: dob 1961; 85 Cairo, 91 Abu Dhabi, 96 Jerusalem, 99
Abuja, 03 Riyadh (Cllr).*
Anthony James Ball: dob 1968, 94 Kuwait, 99 Madrid, 03 Damascus (1
Sec).*
James Lloyd Baxendale: dob 1967; 94 Cairo, 97 Amman, 99 Brussels, 04
Beirut (1 Sec).*
William Hume James Blanchard: dob 1967; 92 Budapest, 98 Islamabad, 04
Ankara (1 Sec).*
Philippa Jane Carnall: dob 1957; 83 Beirut, 84 Damascus, 88 Hanoi, 91
Washington, 97 Cairo, 02 Islamabad (3 Sec).*
Peter Leslie Carter: dob 1956; 86 New Delhi, 94 Brussels, 01 Tel Aviv
(Cllr, CG, DHM).*
David Ian Chambers: dob 1947; 94 Hong Kong, 03 Bangkok (Cllr).*
Martin Hugh Clements: dob 1961; 86 Tehran, 90 Vienna, 98 Bonn, 99
Berlin, 04 Kabul (Cllr).*
Vernon Robert Court: dob 1958; 84 Bangkok, 90 Brussels, 93 Brussels, 01
Canberra (DHM).*
Alexander John Peter Creswell: dob 1965; 95 Pretoria, 01 Kuwait (1 Sec).
Michael Hayward Davenport: dob 1961; 90 Warsaw, 96 Moscow, 00 Warsaw, 04
Cairo (DHM).*
Andrew John Dean: dob 1955; 84 Vienna, 90 Hanoi, 97 Sao Paolo, 00
Canberra (Cllr).*
Robert Dunkan Fitchett: dob 1961; 84 Dakar, 88 Bonn, 94 Paris, 03 Manila
(DHM).*
Edmund Walter Fitton-Brown: dob 1962; 87 Helsinki, 93 Cairo, 98 Kuwait,
03 Cairo (Cllr).*
Lachlan Pelly Ferrar Forbes: dob 1970; 98 Nairobi, 02 Baku (1 Sec).*
Michael Roger Fox: dob 1958; 93 Geneva, 03 Rabat (1 Sec).
Ruppert John Addison Gaskin: dob 1974; 99 Cairo, 03 Khartoum (1 Sec).*
Andrew Patrick Somerset Gibbs: dob 1951; 79 Rio, 84 Moscow, 87 Pretoria,
94 Lisbon, 02 Tel Aviv (Cllr).*
Matthew Steven Gould: dob 1971; 94 Manila, 02 Islamabad, 03 Tehran
(DHM).*
Keith William Green: dob 1964; 92 Buenos Aires, 98 Sarajevo, 03
Santiago, 04 Baghdad (Cllr).*
Noel Joseph Guckian: dob 1955; 84 Jedda, 88 Paris, 94 Muscat, 98
Tripoli, 02 Damascus, 04 Kirkuk (CG).*
Stephen Peter Holland: dob 1965; 00 New Delhi (1 Sec).*
Sean Christopher Erick Holt: dob 1949; 79 Havana, 82 Athens, 87
Khartoum, 91 Accra, 95 Bogota, 99 Luanda, 01 Freetown, 04 Basra (Cllr).*
Thomas Robert Benedict Hurd: dob 1964; 95 Warsaw, 98 Amman, 02
Jerusalem.*
Justin John Hustwitt: dob 1967; 94 Cairo, 95 Riyadh, 01 Kampala, 04
Tripoli (1 Sec).*
Paul Vincent Kennedy: dob 1957; 91 Riyadh, 99 Bahrain, 04 Baghdad (1
Sec).*
David James Kilby: dob 1966; 01 Bangkok, 03 Cairo (1 Sec).*
Barry Robert Lowen: dob 1964; 89 Kuwait, 97 New York, 03 Riyadh (Cllr).*
Andrew David McCoch: dob 1972; 97 Istanbul, 02 Kabul, 03 Kathmandu (1
Sec).
Sian Alexis McLean: dob 1969; 97 Hong Kong, 01 Peking (1 Sec). [*Sean
McLean, Riyadh.]
Richard Peter Moore: dob 1963; 90 Ankara, 91 Istanbul, 95 Islamabad, 01
Kuala Lumpur (Cllr).*
Stuart Richard Morley: dob 1959; 89 San Jose, 90 Bridgetown, 96 Hague,
02 New Delhi (Cllr).*
Andrew Alasdair Neil: dob 1968; 94 Nairobi, 01 Abu Dhabi (1 Sec).
Richard Adam Noble: dob 1962; 87 Moscow, 93 Hague, 98 New Delhi, 03
Tashkent, 04 Hong Kong (DHM).*
Colin Douglas Partridge: dob 1955; 80 New Delhi, 87 Hanoi, 94 Hong Kong,
00 Seoul (Cllr).
Quentin James Kitson Phillips: dob 1963; 89 Budapest, 95 Moscow, 97
Kiev, 04 Istanbul (Consul).*
Richard William Potter: dob 1960; 85 Riyadh, 90 Nicosia, 95 Sarajevo, 99
Skopje, 04 Amman (Cllr).*
Michael John Regan: dob 1955; 86 Kabul, 89 Dubai, 95 Bangkok, 04 Harare
(Cllr).*
Michael John Wyn Roberts: dob 1960; 87 Athens, 95 Brussels, 04 Ankara
(DHM).*
Mark Alastair Runacres: dob 1959; 83 New Delhi,91 Paris, 99 New York, 02
New Delhi (DHC).*
William Geoffrey Sandover: dob 1955; 81 Vienna, 86 Dublin, 92 Buenos
Aires, 02 Paris, 04 Islamabad (Cllr).*
Richard Charles Leslie Seddon: dob 1968; 94 New Delhi, 99 Washington,
03 Islamabad (1 Sec).*
Philip Nicholas Shott: dob 1954; 83 Lagos, 87 Nicosia, 94 Lusaka, 01
Pretoria (Cllr).*
Adrian Stones: dob 1960; 89 New Delhi, 92 Washington, 00 Harare (Cllr).
Christopher Rowland Charlesworth Sykes: dob 1955; 87 Hong Kong, 04
Hong Kong (Cllr, DCG).*
Mark Robert Syrett: dob 1969; 98 Oslo, 04 Riyadh (2 Sec).*
Nicholas Simon Syrett: dob 1960; 93 Luanda, 98 Bogota, 03 Nairobi
(Cllr).*
Richard Paul Reynier Thompson: dob 1960; 91 Stockholm, 96 Geneva, 04
Baghdad (Cllr).*
Patrick Gilmer Topping: dob 1959; 90 Kuala Lumpur, 94 Washington, 05
Canberra (Cllr).*
James Philip Tucker: dob 1966; 93 Prague, 94 Bratislava, 01 Isamabad,
03 Jakarta (Cllr).
Robert Emmerson Watson: dob 1970; 98 Tel Aviv, 04 Kampala (1 Sec).*
Simon John Williams: dob 1960; 81 Manila, 84 Mbabane, 86 Kaduna, 95
Riyadh, 98 Doha, 02 Casablanka (Consul).*
Elizabeth Claire Wilson: dob 1974; 02 Peking (2 Sec).*[Liz Wilson,
Peking]
Peter Gilruth Wood: dob 1953; 84 Taiwan, 86 Peking, 95 Kuala Lumpur, 02
Peking (Cllr).*
Alexander William Younger: dob 1963; 95 Vienna, 02 Dubai (1 Sec).*
_________
MI6 Officers - Her Majesty's Ambassadors
Paul Brummel: dob 1965; 89 Islamabad, 95 Rome, 02 Ashgabat.*
Edward Clay: dob 1945; 70 Nairobi, 73 Sofia, 79 Budapest, 85 Nicosia, 93
Kampala, 94 Burundi, 99 Nicosia, 01 Nairobi.*
Sherard Louis Cowper-Coles: dob 1955; 80 Cairo, 87 Washington, 97 Paris,
01 Tel Aviv, 03 Riyadh.*
Stephen Nicholas Evans: dob 1950; 78 Hanoi, 83 Bangkok, 90 Ankara, 93
Islamabad, 96 Kabul, 02 Colombo.*
David William Fall: dob 1948; 76 Bangkok, 81 Pretoria, 90 Bangkok, 93
Canberra, 97 Hanoi, 03 Bangkok.*
Peter William Ford: dob 1947; 73 Beirut, 74 Cairo, 81 Paris, 87 Riyadh,
91 Singapore, 99 Bahrain, 03 Damascus.*
Jean Francois Gordon: dob 1953; 81 Luanda, 83 Geneva, 90 Nairobi, 96
Algiers, 01 Abidjan.
Robert Anthony Eagleson Gordon; dob 1952; 75 Warsaw, 78 Santiago, 87
Paris, 92 Warsaw, 95 Rangoon, 03 Hanoi.*
Graham Stewart Hand: dob 1948; 82 Dakar, 87 Helsinki, 94 Lagos, 98
Sarajevo, 02 Algiers.
John Jenkins: dob 1955; 83 Abu Dhabi, 89 Kuala Lumpur, 95 Kuwait, 99
Rangoon, 03 Jerusalem (CG).*
Richard Edward Makepeace: dob 1953; 79 Muscat, 81 Prague, 89 Brussels,
95 Cairo, 99 Khartoum, 03 Abu Dhabi.*
Rosalind Mary Marsden: dob 1950; 76 Tokyo, 85 Bonn, 93 Tokyo, 03
Kabul.*
John Edward Mitchiner: dob 1951; 82 Istanbul, 87 New Delhi, 91 Berne, 97
Yerevan, 00 Calcutta, 03 Freetown.*
Christopher Norman Russell Prentice: dob 1954; 80 Kuwait, 85
Washington, 94 Budapest, 02 Amman.*
James Lyall Sharp: dob 1960; 89 Cairo, 96 Vienna, 02 Almaty.*
Andrew James Sparkes: dob 1959; 85 Ankara, 92 Bangkok, 99 Jakarta, 01
Pretoria, 04 Kinshasa.*
Harcourt Andrew Pretorius Tesoriere: dob 1950; 76 Kabul, 79 Nairobi, 81
Abidjan, 87 Damascus, 96 Tirana, 98 Kabul, 02 Riga, 05
Algiers.*[Ambassador to Latvia]
James Wilfrid Watt: dob 1951; 80 Abu Dhabi, 85 New York, 92 Amman, 96
Islamabad, 03 Beirut.*
***END***
--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)
Cedric
> In article <1124726157.8...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> leo...@nwportal.com writes
>
>
>>the american website
>>www.cryptome.org
>>has published 74 alleged mi6 officers operating under diplomatic cover
>>round the world.many are different from the 1999 list published on the
>>net
>
>
Couldn't you get into trouble for posting that on newsgroups?
leo...@nwportal.com
secret stuff .i check it every day,over the years its had loads of info
including names of informers in northern ireland, cia,mi6 names and
everything.its an amazing website for people who love that stuff. john
DVH
Cedric <Ced...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:430a36a6$0$27022$da0f...@news.zen.co.uk...
But it's exciting! It's speaking truth to power! Maybe banana feels we
shouldn't have a secret service or maybe he thinks that they're all evil
because they're in MI6. Maybe somebody, somewhere, is reading this newsgroup
and wondering how to kill one of the people on the list. That would be
doubly exciting!
the idiot
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banana
<d...@dvhdvhdvh.dvh> writes
What on earth is that supposed to mean? I reckon most of the people
especially interested in who the SIS 'diplomats' are in, say, Kabul or
Canberra, already knew.
BTW the Cryptome site gives a link to an article containing the list
that was posted to uk.politics.parliament:
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.politics.parliament/browse_frm/thread/
28f79e92fa548911/530bd2817d91fe99?hl=en#530bd2817d91fe99
banana
<sin...@thesands.co.uk> writes
By checking it against what they already know? It is going to be
interesting to watch the UK government reaction. So far, they don't seem
to be screaming 'CRISIS!' as they did in 1999.
It has already been reported by the 'Guardian', 'Al-Jazeera', and UPI.
Apparently the latter two are basing their stories on what has been
published by the 'Guardian'. Curious that the 'Guardian' didn't get a
quote from Jack Straw or some other minister johnny at the Foreign
Office, or even an unattributable quote from A. N. Official.
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1553991,00.html>
<http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9490>
<http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20050822-120905-2890r>
Just off the top of my head, I wonder if it's largely a US thing related
to the Rove/Plame affair, to decrease the embarrassment being felt by
the Bush administration in that connection?
Might this explain the last paragraph of the 'Guardian' article, which
has been repeated in some form in both of the other two articles? Just a
thought.
If this hypothesis is true, we would expect to see a lot of references
to this in the next few days in US media articles about Rove/Plame.
All three of the above-mentioned write-ups have mentioned Rove/Plame. Or
to be more exact, they have mentioned Plame WITHOUT mentioning Rove.
Although this may just be a case of journalists being lazy bastards and
cutting and pasting what they read in the 'Guardian'.
***BEGIN ARTICLE 1***
US website names MI6 officers
Richard Norton-Taylor
Monday August 22, 2005
The Guardian
An American website posted what it purported to be the names of 74
members of the Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, yesterday.
It was not clear last night what action British intelligence officials
or lawyers will take to try to get the names taken off the website and
prevent further dissemination of them. However, they are likely to
conduct a damage limitation exercise and warn those individuals who have
been identified. Eighteen of those named on the website have held the
rank of ambassador.
The website lists the names under a message thanking someone who it
refers to simply as "A".
It is not the first time names claimed to be of former or serving MI6
officers have been posted on an American website. About six years ago,
the former MI6 officer, Richard Tomlinson, was alleged to have given a
long list of names to a website address. Mr Tomlinson, who was jailed
for breaking the Official Secrets Act, denied the allegation.
He was sentenced after revealing classified information about MI6. He
later left Britain and wrote a book which was published in Moscow and
Edinburgh.
More recently, newspapers in Croatia have published the names of alleged
MI6 officers serving in that country.
The names were published against the background of a bitter feud in the
Croatian military and security services over the hunt for alleged war
criminals.
The D Notice committee, which advises editors on security and
intelligence matters, asks the British media not to name MI6 officers
even if they have been named elsewhere.
In America it is an offence to deliberately reveal the identity of an
undercover CIA agent. A grand jury investigation was launched after the
identification of CIA agent Valerie Plame, whose name was given to
several journalists by an unnamed source in the US government in 2003. A
New York Times reporter, Judith Miller, was jailed recently for refusing
to reveal the identity of the source.
***END ARTICLE 1***
***BEGIN ARTICLE 2**
American website identifies MI6 officers
8/22/2005 3:30:00 PM GMT
MI6 chief John Scarlett
An American website posted on Sunday what it said was the names of 74
members of the MI6, Britain's Secret Intelligence Service, the Guardian
Unlimited reported.
It wasn’t clear what action will British intelligence officials or
lawyers take to remove the names from the website. Most probably they
would conduct a damage limitation exercise and warn those officers who
have been identified.
The Guardian said that eighteen of those identified by the website held
the rank of ambassador.
It added that the website published the names under a message thanking
someone who it referred to as "A".
The D Notice committee, which advises news agencies on security and
intelligence issues, demands the British media not to reveal the
identities of MI6 agents even if they have been identified elsewhere.
This is not the first time that an American website reveals the
identities of former or current MI6 officers.
About six years ago, former MI6 officer, Richard Tomlinson, was accused
of giving a long list of MI6 officials to a website and revealing
confidential information about the intelligence agency.
Tomlinson, who was jailed for violating the Official Secrets Act, denied
the allegation at the time.
Recently, newspapers in Croatia have also published the names of some
MI6 officers serving in the country.
In the United States, it is an offence to deliberately disclose the
names of undercover CIA agents.
A grand jury investigation was launched after the identification of CIA
agent Valerie Plame, whose name was given to many reporters by an
unidentified source in the U.S. government in 2003.
A New York Times journalist, Judith Miller, was jailed recently after
she refused to reveal the identity of the source.
***END ARTICLE 2***
***BEGIN ARTICLE 3***
Web site claims to reveal British spies
By UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL
Published August 22, 2005
LONDON -- An American website has posted what it purported to be the
names of 74 members of Britain's spy service, MI6.
British intelligence officials or lawyers are expected to conduct a
damage limitation exercise and warn those individuals who have been
identified. Eighteen of those named on the website have held the rank of
ambassador, The Guardian newspaper reported Monday.
The website lists the names under a message thanking someone who it
refers to simply as "A", The Guardian said.
It is not the first time names claimed to be of former or serving
MI6 officers have been posted on an American website. About six years
ago, the former MI6 officer, Richard Tomlinson, was alleged to have
given a long list of names to a website address. Tomlinson, who was
jailed for breaking the Official Secrets Act, denied the allegation. He
later left Britain and wrote a book which was published in Moscow and
Edinburgh.
More recently, newspapers in Croatia have published the names of
alleged MI6 officers serving in that country. The names were published
against the background of a bitter feud in the Croatian military and
security services over the hunt for alleged war criminals. The Guardian
said.
The D Notice committee, which advises editors on security and
intelligence matters, asks the British media not to name MI6 officers
even if they have been named elsewhere, the paper said.
In America it is an offence to deliberately reveal the identity of
an undercover CIA agent. A grand jury investigation was launched after
the identification of CIA agent Valerie Plame, whose name was given to
several journalists by an unnamed source in the U.S. government in 2003.
A New York Times reporter, Judith Miller, was jailed recently for
refusing to reveal the identity of the source
***END ARTICLE 3***
banana
HIS.borve.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <1Emdnf9Rb9f...@karoo.co.uk>, the idiot
><sin...@thesands.co.uk> writes
>
>>"DVH" <d...@dvhdvhdvh.dvh> wrote in message
>>news:deddnq$ihl$1...@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>>>
>>> Cedric <Ced...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:430a36a6$0$27022$da0f...@news.zen.co.uk...
>>> > banana wrote:
>>> > > In article <1124726157.8...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>>> > > leo...@nwportal.com writes
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >>the american website
>>> > >>www.cryptome.org
>>> > >>has published 74 alleged mi6 officers operating under diplomatic cover
>>> > >>round the world.many are different from the 1999 list published on the
>>> > >>net
<snip>
>Just off the top of my head, I wonder if it's largely a US thing related
>to the Rove/Plame affair, to decrease the embarrassment being felt by
>the Bush administration in that connection?
>
>Might this explain the last paragraph of the 'Guardian' article, which
>has been repeated in some form in both of the other two articles? Just a
>thought.
>
>If this hypothesis is true, we would expect to see a lot of references
>to this in the next few days in US media articles about Rove/Plame.
Or perhaps the move relates to SIS diplomacy towards Hamas?
According to the 'Sunday Telegraph', Israeli authorities have 'formally
protested' about SIS-Hamas diplomacy.
Remember how SIS guy Alistair Crooke was chucked out of Jerusalem, er,
sorry, I mean 'withdrawn by the Foreign Office':
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.princess-
diana/msg/b7d23ccb88c6cb89?>
Interestingly, it is precisely Crooke who is supposed to be leading the
UK diplomatic effort in the Gaza Strip at the moment (see second article
below). This is supposed to involve a "team of MI6 counter-terrorism
experts" talking to Hamas. Reportedly the Zionists don't like this...
...unlike the 'advice' being given to the Palestinian Authority by a
"team of MI6 officials", which apparently has Israeli approval.
Might the Zionists have released the list?? About 30 of the named
officers appear to be stationed in Israel or the Arab area.
From:
<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/08/21/wmid121
.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/08/21/ixnewstop.html>
***BEGIN ARTICLE 1 ***
Israel protests at MI6 mission to halt Hamas suicide bombings
By Con Coughlin
(Filed: 21/08/2005)
British Intelligence officers have been sent to the Gaza Strip on the
orders of Tony Blair on a secret mission to persuade Palestinian
terrorists to call a halt to their suicide bomb attacks against Israel,
The Sunday Telegraph can exclusively reveal.
MI6 is attempting to persuade Hamas to renounce violence and enter
negotiations with Israel after last week's withdrawal of 9,000 settlers
from the Gaza Strip. But the contacts between MI6 and Hamas have
provoked fierce criticism from the Israeli government, which is opposed
to British Intelligence dealing with an organisation that Israel has
denounced as a terror group.
Israeli officials confirmed last week that a formal protest had been
made to Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, who has overall
responsibility for MI6.
"We have made our feelings about this known to Mr Straw in the strongest
possible terms," said a senior official at Israel's foreign ministry.
"But although he gave us an assurance that the operation would be scaled
down, it is still going on."
***END ARTICLE 1***
From:
<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/08/21/wmid21.
xml&sSheet=/news/2005/08/21/ixnewstop.html>
***BEGIN ARTICLE 2**
Hamas claims evacuation is victory for the suicide bombers
By Con Coughlin
(Filed: 21/08/2005)
All week long, as Israeli soldiers and settlers fought running battles
in the soon-to-be-dismantled Jewish settlements, their Palestinian
neighbours could hardly contain their delight.
In the teeming slums of Gaza, Palestinian officials marked the end of 38
years of Israeli occupation by organising poetry and painting
competitions, which summed up the Palestinians' view of Israel's
unilateral decision to forcibly remove 9,000 settlers from their homes.
Palestinian militants celebrate the Gaza withdrawal
One entrant, Rasha Salim painted a large picture of a shining sun as a
symbol of hope after the withdrawal. "The shining of the sun symbolises
the defeat of the Israeli army in the Gaza Strip," said the artist,
proudly displaying her work.
In the poetry category, an entry by Ibtisam Mustafa was singled out for
particular praise. "O brigades, be prepared, Gaza has been restored.
Start preparing to liberate the rest of the land. Drive the Zionists
out. O Hamas, let's liberate Jerusalem with the help of your soldiers
and glorious rockets."
While Ariel Sharon, Israel's prime minister, tries to argue that the
Gaza withdrawal is an important step towards reviving the dormant Middle
East peace talks, Palestinian militants apparently have little interest
in achieving their goals through peaceful dialogue.
In Palestinian-controlled Gaza last week, virtually everyone The Sunday
Telegraph spoke to said that Israel's indihar, or retreat, had been
forced by the scores of young suicide bombers who have killed more than
1,000 Israeli civilians in the five-year-long intifada, or uprising.
"The Israelis are leaving Gaza because they can no longer tolerate the
bloodshed we have inflicted on them," said Mohammed Khatif, a local shop
owner.
"We will continue the struggle until we have reclaimed all the land of
Palestine."
Five founding Hamas members made a rare group appearance in a Gaza
restaurant to assert their right to continue the armed campaign.
"Our land, including Jerusalem, is still occupied, the refugees are
still deported, the wall and the settlements are still eating more of
our land," said one leader, Ismail Haniya.
In Beirut, a Hamas spokesman, Khaled Mashaal, was defiant. "The
resistance and the steadfastness of our people forced the Zionists to
withdraw," he declared last week. "The armed struggle is the only
strategy that Hamas possesses. As long as Palestinian lands remain under
occupation, Hamas won't lay down its weapons."
To counter the threat posed by Hamas militants, Tony Blair has
authorised a team of MI6 counter-terrorism experts to be deployed to
Gaza on a secret mission to persuade Hamas to observe a ceasefire.
British intelligence officers believe that such a lull would allow
Mahmoud Abbas, the moderate Palestinian leader, to resume discussions
with Israel over the "road map", the blueprint for a peace deal backed
by President George W Bush and Mr Blair.
Mr Bush and Mr Blair have committed themselves to a two-state solution
for the intractable Arab-Israeli conflict, but the Israelis are refusing
to enter detailed discussions with the Palestinians until the latter
unequivocally renounce terrorism.
Mr Blair, in particular, has invested much political capital in trying
to negotiate a deal to create an independent Palestinian state, which he
believes would eliminate one of the root causes of Islamic terrorism.
The secret Gaza mission is being led by Alistair Crooke, a former MI6
officer who received an MBE for his work negotiating a Hamas ceasefire
during the early stages of the intifada.
Mr Crooke has been heavily criticised by the Israeli government for
arguing that Hamas should be treated as a serious negotiating partner in
the peace talks.
The Israeli foreign ministry formally asked Jack Straw, the Foreign
Secretary, to withdraw the MI6 team during his visit to Jerusalem in
June.
While Mr Straw told the Israelis that he would scale down the operation,
security officials in Gaza confirmed last week that the MI6 operation is
continuing.
MI6 has a long history of entering into negotiations with outlawed
terror groups, notably with the IRA in the 1980s. That dialogue
ultimately resulted in Sinn Fein's leaders giving up the armed struggle
for political negotiation.
Whether MI6 can replicate that success in Gaza is another matter
entirely. As most world attention focused on the emotional scenes
unfolding at the Jewish settlements last week, the security situation in
Gaza took a serious turn for the worse.
The United Nations was forced to withdraw all its foreign staff from
Gaza indefinitely after Palestinian gunmen kidnapped two of its workers
and held them hostage for several days. The hostages were eventually
released after a gun battle.
Last week a French journalist was abducted in Gaza by masked gunmen. His
whereabouts are unknown.
Security officials in Gaza believe that the abductions are the work of
rival factions of the Fatah movement, the dominant political force in
the Palestinian Authority, aimed at undermining Mr Abbas.
He is keen to use the Gaza withdrawal as a basis for negotiating the
removal of Israeli settlements from the occupied West Bank. Concerned
that militant groups will launch terror attacks in an attempt to
sabotage any talks with Israel - Fatah hardliners oppose "road map"
negotiations - he has ordered a crackdown.
Such is the overall chaos within the Palestinian Authority that another
team of MI6 officials is advising its security forces on setting up a
command and control infrastructure to instil a measure of discipline.
Unlike the Hamas operation, it has Israeli approval.
During the Gaza withdrawal, there were no reports of serious clashes
between Israelis and Palestinians. Yet despite the relative calm of
recent weeks, Israeli security officials fear that once the dust has
settled on disengagement, Palestinian militants will seek to launch a
new wave of terror attacks. While Mr Abbas focuses on negotiations with
Israel, support for Hamas is growing in Gaza and the West Bank. Tens of
thousands of Palestinians turned out for a Hamas-sponsored rally in Gaza
last week; only a few hundred for a rally in support of Mr Abbas.
With many Palestinians genuinely believing that the intifada forced
Israel's withdrawal in Gaza, there is widespread support for using
similar terror tactics to prompt the Israelis to withdraw from the West
Bank.
"We feel that this is the lull before the storm," said a senior Israeli
security official. "If that is how the Palestinians see the Gaza
withdrawal, we don't hold out much hope that they will commit themselves
to political dialogue.
"But if they think they can drive us out of the West Bank they had
better think again. There will be no tolerance from Israel for
Palestinian terrorism in the West Bank."
***END ARTICLE 2***
Paul Hyett
>
>Couldn't you get into trouble for posting that on newsgroups?
Perhaps he felt it was worth the risk?
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
westprog
"the idiot" <sin...@thesands.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "DVH" <d...@dvhdvhdvh.dvh> wrote in message
> news:deddnq$ihl$1...@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> > But it's exciting! It's speaking truth to power! Maybe banana feels we
> > shouldn't have a secret service or maybe he thinks that they're all evil
> > because they're in MI6. Maybe somebody, somewhere, is reading this
> newsgroup
> > and wondering how to kill one of the people on the list. That would be
> > doubly exciting!
> how does anyone know that the list is real or correct?
Whether it is or isn't wouldn't necessarily stop someone shooting the
suspected spy. Plenty of examples of that in Ireland.
J/
SOTW: "Love Power" - Lorenzo St. DuBois
banana
<west...@hotmail.com> writes
Saying that a senior Foreign Office diplomat is really an SIS officer
under light cover is NOT equivalent to saying that a member of the IRA
is a British State plant. It is not even similar.
(I expressed an opinion about George Galloway... I should also have said
that I would certainly be completely opposed to violent attacks on him,
and would in fact be extremely suspicious of any faction that attempted
to boost its own position by calling for or carrying out such an attack.
My perspective is one where people discuss and organise things without
leaders or representatives. When they do this more and more, the
leaders/representatives have no-one to lead/represent. Proletarian
self-organisation. The idea is not one of following the leaders who
present themselves as most radical, even if those leaders are
anti-parliamentary. Even when there is a small-scale blockade or
whatever, the police always want to know who the leader is. There's a
reason for that.
There is a long tradition of State operatives encouraging everyone in an
oppositional scene to be suspicious of everyone else. Famously in the US
this was deployed by the FBI ('Cointelpro') in a very big and successful
way against the Black Panthers, and the wider New Left, as part of an
overall policy that also involved murdering a large number of
oppositional people. There are two sides to what is sensible though. The
first is to try not to succumb to this. If you really are very
suspicious of everyone or most people in your scene, then this should
make you think about the scene as a whole and what is wrong with it.
[which probably includes vanguardist political militancy]. The second
point is that in principle, it is possible that any given person - other
than yourself - is a State plant, and this does not mean that you should
bury yourself and stop doing anything. I don't know of any wholly
clandestine organisation that has avoided being penetrated.
None of the above is meant to be an 'easy answer'. There are no easy
answers. But the principle of not organising hierarchically - whether
the hierarchy is formal or charismatic - is a good one. This can also be
phrased in terms of keeping a level of individual initiative, both
aiding and aided by a culture of solidarity).
banana
> the american website
This has been reported in only a very small number of media organs
worldwide - the 'Guardian' and 'Al Jazeera' being the main ones.
What are MI6 up to in Palestine?
oO
"banana" <banana@REMOVE_THIS.borve.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Noam Chomsky on Leaderless Resistance:
"These are decentralized, nonhierarchic networks. They follow a principle
that is called Leaderless Resistance. That's the principle that has been
developed by the Christian Right terrorists in the United States. It's
called Leaderless Resistance. You have small groups that do things. They don't
talk to anybody else. There is a kind of general background of assumptions
and then you do it. Actually people in the anti war movement are very
familiar with it. We used to call it affinity groups. If you assume
correctly that whatever group you are in is being penetrated by the FBI,
when something serious is happening, you don't do it in a meeting. You do it
with some people you know and trust, an affinity group and then it doesn't
get penetrated. That's one of the reasons why the FBI has never been able to
figure out what's going on in any of the popular movements. And other
intelligence agencies are the same. They can't. That's leaderless resistance
or affinity groups, and decentralized networks are extremely hard to
penetrate."
banana
>"banana" <banana@REMOVE_THIS.borve.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:TOr8bIA9...@borve.demon.co.uk...
>> In article <NZHOe.4339$R5....@news.indigo.ie>, westprog
>> <west...@hotmail.com> writes
>>
>>>"the idiot" <sin...@thesands.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:1Emdnf9Rb9f...@karoo.co.uk...
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>>>> "DVH" <d...@dvhdvhdvh.dvh> wrote in message
>>>> news:deddnq$ihl$1...@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
<snip>
>Noam Chomsky on Leaderless Resistance:
>
>"These are decentralized, nonhierarchic networks. They follow a principle
>that is called Leaderless Resistance. That's the principle that has been
>developed by the Christian Right terrorists in the United States. It's
>called Leaderless Resistance. You have small groups that do things. They don't
>talk to anybody else. There is a kind of general background of assumptions
>and then you do it. Actually people in the anti war movement are very
>familiar with it. We used to call it affinity groups. If you assume
>correctly that whatever group you are in is being penetrated by the FBI,
>when something serious is happening, you don't do it in a meeting. You do it
>with some people you know and trust, an affinity group and then it doesn't
>get penetrated. That's one of the reasons why the FBI has never been able to
>figure out what's going on in any of the popular movements.
Not sure what he means by 'popular movement', if it is something that is
organised on the basis of affinity groups and is closed to FBI
penetrators, infiltrators, and even watchers???
>And other
>intelligence agencies are the same. They can't. That's leaderless resistance
>or affinity groups, and decentralized networks are extremely hard to
>penetrate."
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