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Paul Carr

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Jan 3, 2010, 12:30:05 PM1/3/10
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"WhiteWolf! <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>" <ra...@iol.ie>
??????:9c51k55aco1gdpan9...@4ax.com...
> Last month was the coldest December in almost 30 years according to
> readings
> taken at the Armagh Observatory.
>
> The mean temperature was 1.5C, the coldest average measurement since 1981.
>
> However December was sunnier and drier than normal with 53.3 hours of
> sunshine,
> about 40% more than normal for the time of the year.
>
> Precipitation was 40% less than the average, but snow fell on seven days,
> from
> December 18 to 23 and on December 30.
>
> There was grass frost on 27 days in the month, with air frost on 16 days.
>
> The average temperature for 2009, at 9.87C, was close to the average of
> 9.94C
> for the last 20 years.
>
> 2009 was the wettest year since 1981 with rainfall about 10% higher than
> the
> average.
>
> Armagh Observatory has been taking weather readings since 1795.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8438408.stm
>
>
> In light of the Climategate scandal, we can't take these measurements with
> any
> degree of trust either. A full open and honest investigation needs to
> be
> done. With scientists from ALL sides of the issue contributing to the
> debate,
> not just those who worship Pope Gore at the Alter of One Side in the
> Church of
> Climate Change...

BLASPHEMER!!!!

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William Clark

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Jan 3, 2010, 12:30:37 PM1/3/10
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In article <9c51k55aco1gdpan9...@4ax.com>,

"WhiteWolf! <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>" <ra...@iol.ie> wrote:

> Last month was the coldest December in almost 30 years according to readings
> taken at the Armagh Observatory.
>
> The mean temperature was 1.5C, the coldest average measurement since 1981.
>
> However December was sunnier and drier than normal with 53.3 hours of
> sunshine,
> about 40% more than normal for the time of the year.
>
> Precipitation was 40% less than the average, but snow fell on seven days,
> from
> December 18 to 23 and on December 30.
>
> There was grass frost on 27 days in the month, with air frost on 16 days.
>
> The average temperature for 2009, at 9.87C, was close to the average of 9.94C
> for the last 20 years.
>
> 2009 was the wettest year since 1981 with rainfall about 10% higher than the
> average.
>
> Armagh Observatory has been taking weather readings since 1795.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8438408.stm
>
>
> In light of the Climategate scandal, we can't take these measurements with
> any
> degree of trust either. A full open and honest investigation needs to be
> done. With scientists from ALL sides of the issue contributing to the
> debate,
> not just those who worship Pope Gore at the Alter of One Side in the Church
> of

> Climate Change... Then we'll have some clue if:
>
> a) There is such a thing as Man Made Global Warming or are we insignificant
> in
> the greater schemes of things.
>
> b) if there is MMGW, what are the good and bad of it... Here we should be
> told
> the ups as well as the whole polar bears are going to drown nonsense so we
> can
> decide if MMGW is a GOOD thing OR a bad thing.
>
> c) If it's determined that there is MMGW, we have to determine how much and
> then
> comes the sticky part of getting changes enacted that are not socialist in
> origin and are not simply sticking it to the rich countries while giving
> China,
> India and the rest of the third world a pass to spew whatever they hell they
> like! If it's not a global initiative then, before it ever starts, it's a
> failure.
>
> This investigation could take decades... The earth has been around millions
> of
> years, a few decades delay to ensure a correct decision, whatever that is.
> isn't
> going to hurt it...
>
> What say you?
>
> Ray

You really are a dumbass. How stupid can you be to isolate one month and
try to dismiss global warming on that basis? Only a true wingnut loon
would even try it. Just for starters - the noughties are the warmest
decade on record. Oops!

Paul Carr

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Jan 3, 2010, 12:36:34 PM1/3/10
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"WhiteWolf! <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>" <ra...@iol.ie>
??????:9c51k55aco1gdpan9...@4ax.com...

> Last month was the coldest December in almost 30 years according to
> readings
> taken at the Armagh Observatory.
>
> The mean temperature was 1.5C, the coldest average measurement since 1981.
>
> However December was sunnier and drier than normal with 53.3 hours of
> sunshine,
> about 40% more than normal for the time of the year.
>
> Precipitation was 40% less than the average, but snow fell on seven days,
> from
> December 18 to 23 and on December 30.
>
> There was grass frost on 27 days in the month, with air frost on 16 days.
>
> The average temperature for 2009, at 9.87C, was close to the average of
> 9.94C
> for the last 20 years.

And, Seamus McDermott still wants to come here. I'm in Hong Kong at
present. It's winter here and today it was a rather freezing 19 degrees
celsius during the day and tonight, a rather bone-chilling 15 degrees
celsius.

kateh

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Jan 7, 2010, 3:02:00 PM1/7/10
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"Paul Carr" wrote

> And, Seamus McDermott still wants to come here. I'm in Hong Kong at
> present. It's winter here and today it was a rather freezing 19 degrees
> celsius during the day and tonight, a rather bone-chilling 15 degrees
> celsius.

We have an exchange student from Hong Kong living w/us and he cannot figure
out how *not* to be cold. It would be comical if it weren't dangerous......
to let him run around w/out a coat when it's zeroF. He dresses for Hong
Kong's winter.......not ours in the Pacific NW.

So it's cold in Ireland, too, eh?
Kate(more snow there ...than here)H


Seamus McDermott

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Jan 8, 2010, 10:04:57 AM1/8/10
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Ah, I know, I know--you're all playin' "Off to California" on yer
fiddles, aren't ya?

Found this amazing image:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/42000/42237/
gbritain_tmo_2010007_lrg.jpg

Don't you forget that here in California, we have the vast Sierra Nevada
range with 4,000m peaks. We are no strangers to winter low temps and
snow (sometimes up to twenty feet deep!)

One thing we've learned is that salting the roads kills automobiles and
fish in freshwater streams where the salt eventually migrates. We use no
salt here now, just sand. Works just as well, as far as I can tell.

Consider writing your politicians and asking them to abandon salt as a de-
icing agent.

See you in April!

WARMEST regards,
Seamus McDermott
San Anselmo, California

Paul Carr

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Jan 8, 2010, 1:26:38 PM1/8/10
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"kateh" <kat...@charter.net> д����Ϣ����:Q4r1n.1213$Mv3...@newsfe05.iad...

I'm still in Hong Kong. Back in November, I bought a warm coat in Hong Kong
but so far I haven't worn it. Yesterday it was 10 degrees celsius at night
and 14 degrees celsius during the day. It probably doesn't get any colder
than that in Hong Kong. Even that night, I was just wearing a vest and
long-sleeved shirt when I went outside for a walk. It was grand. Given
that I was walking about in a concrete city, temperatures were probably
another 2 degrees warmer anyway.

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