Why I hate Knackers
GoldenArse
don't understand. Knackers aren't poor. They're some of the
richest bastards in the country. Go to any halting site and
you'll see Jags and Mercs everywhere. They are professional
spongers. I've a cousin that works for the social, and they sign
on fer the dole all over the country. They get the children's
allowance fer kids that aren't theirs. They rob cheat and steal
everywhere they go. That;s a known fact. They're filthy cunts
the whole lot of them. They destroy the country anywhere they're
allowed stop. Apart from that, they're alright. (Excluding our
own Knacker Doyle of course)
GoldenArse
SCI Knacker Hater
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Holly
GoldenArse <g_arseN...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> I've been ragged about my feelings about knackers. You Yanks
> don't understand. Knackers aren't poor.
>They are professional
> spongers.
> GoldenArse
> SCI Knacker Hater
Lazy, able-bodied people are frowned upon here also.
Holly
d
"GoldenArse" <g_arseN...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> I've been ragged about my feelings about knackers. You Yanks
Tony Cooper
> I've been ragged about my feelings about knackers. You Yanks
> don't understand. Knackers aren't poor.
I don't see the Yanks criticizing you for your comments about "knackers".
When you are criticized for this, it's as much by the Irish as anyone. Most
SCI'ers don't respond at all to your "knacker" posts. Any objections are
by people that feel that an overt condemnation of a whole group is a
prejudice that makes them feel uncomfortable.
I'm not going to "rag" on you for this. I can't cure bigotry with a single
bound over tall buildings. I just try to make sure that I don't show the
same type of prejudices that I find unattractive in others.
Doyle is an idiot. I'll grant you that. Sometimes, though, I wish you'd
show a little more imagination in slagging him than you do. He has many
real characteristics and flaws that you could work on.
--
Tony Cooper aka: Tony_Co...@yahoo.com
Lilly Langtree
> I've been ragged about my feelings about knackers. You Yanks
> don't understand. Knackers aren't poor. They're some of the
> richest bastards in the country. Go to any halting site and
> you'll see Jags and Mercs everywhere.
Admittedly, I don't know much about the Travellers. I've done a few web
searches & am interested enough to wonder if there are any decent books or
articles describing their culture, origins etc. etc. As I said before,
"Southpaw" is pretty much the extent of my exposure to them.
They are professional
> spongers. I've a cousin that works for the social, and they sign
> on fer the dole all over the country. They get the children's
> allowance fer kids that aren't theirs. They rob cheat and steal
> everywhere they go. That;s a known fact. They're filthy cunts
> the whole lot of them. They destroy the country anywhere they're
> allowed stop.
I need to sort through this. Welfare fraud here in the States is a serious
problem too. Lots of people are pretty pissed about that. I am honestly
surprised to hear about their "wealth" (i.e. expensive cars etc.).
Apart from that, they're alright. (Excluding our
> own Knacker Doyle of course)
Must you insult the Travellers further by comparing them to Doyle? I think
that is the most vile insult you've made toward that group of people yet.
Lilly Langtree
> I don't see the Yanks criticizing you for your comments about "knackers".
> When you are criticized for this, it's as much by the Irish as anyone.
Most
> SCI'ers don't respond at all to your "knacker" posts. Any objections are
> by people that feel that an overt condemnation of a whole group is a
> prejudice that makes them feel uncomfortable.
I agree. I'm ANCIENT. I grew up listening to venom about black folks. When
my kids were babies, we lived out in the boonies in a little town with a
large population of Hmong refugees. Similar venom existed toward them. The
ones I knew were very decent people. Perhaps on the dole when they first
arrived, but determined to become self-sufficient. When I was foster
parenting (kids "of color"), I finally encountered racism directed toward me
personally ... people who couldn't handle me walking around holding a black
baby. I was reading GA's comments from that perspective, admittedly. I'm
just a simple woman, ya know.
I made up a word and would like to see it incorporated into the English
language:
"postjudice". It is the opposite of "prejudice" (to pre-judge). It is to
judge AFTER having encountered a person or group of people. So I think GA
might just be postjudice rather than prejudice. Doesn't seem quite as bad,
but I still don't like it.
> I'm not going to "rag" on you for this. I can't cure bigotry with a
single
> bound over tall buildings. I just try to make sure that I don't show the
> same type of prejudices that I find unattractive in others.
Superman is a myth? Dammit. Been looking for him all this time & now I
suppose it is time to face the truth. No. I'll face the truth some other
day. Today I'll continue to seek a man in spandex with solid pecs... oh,
and who is looking to cure bigotry.
> Doyle is an idiot. I'll grant you that. Sometimes, though, I wish you'd
> show a little more imagination in slagging him than you do. He has many
> real characteristics and flaws that you could work on.
Yeah - give the Travellers a break, don't further demean them by claiming
Doyle in their midst.
GoldenArse
Write that all by yer lonesome didja? (Usually the
capitalisation starts at the beginning of the word, but in your
case, it's a start)
GoldenArse
SCI Capital Boy
Hans de Bender
Tony Cooper <tony_co...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> G'Arse wrote:
>
> > I've been ragged about my feelings about knackers. You Yanks
> > don't understand. Knackers aren't poor.
>
> When you are criticized for this, it's as much by the Irish as anyone.
Most
> SCI'ers don't respond at all to your "knacker" posts. Any objections are
> by people that feel that an overt condemnation of a whole group is a
> prejudice that makes them feel uncomfortable.
>
single
> bound over tall buildings. I just try to make sure that I don't show the
> same type of prejudices that I find unattractive in others.
>
> show a little more imagination in slagging him than you do. He has many
> real characteristics and flaws that you could work on.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Turlough
Lilly Langtree wrote:
When
> my kids were babies, we lived out in the boonies in a little town with a
> large population of Hmong refugees. Similar venom existed toward them.
What is a Hmong, Lilly of the 2 L's? :>)
Turlough
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Dawiyya Ifranj
wrote:
>Lilly Langtree wrote:
> When
>> my kids were babies, we lived out in the boonies in a little town with a
>> large population of Hmong refugees. Similar venom existed toward them.
>
>What is a Hmong, Lilly of the 2 L's? :>)
Name of a tribe/group of people who lived in the upper Mekong Delta in
Cambodia and parts of Vietnam IIRC.
Gavin Bailey
--
"Apply three phase AC 415V direct to MB. This work real good. How
you know, you ask? Simple, chip get real HOT. System not work, but
no can tell from this. Exactly same as before. Do it now."
- Bart Kwan En
Madra Dubh
"GoldenArse" <g_arseN...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message >
> SCI Knacker Hater
>
>
GA, I've got to know. What the hell is a "HyAce"?
-Conway
GoldenArse
news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "Madra Dubh" <m...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
Toyota Hi-Ace. It's a van a bit like a Ford Transit (another
knacker favourite) but a bit smaller and taller. They're usually
very nice but with expired tax discs and no insurance. Doyle
drives one I believe. You'll see them all over the place by the
side of the road with 20,000 pound caravans surrounded by
rubbish and dirty nappies.
GoldenArse
SCI Toyota Expert
Jerry Desmond
>
>
>
>Lilly Langtree wrote:
>> When
>> my kids were babies, we lived out in the boonies in a little town with a
>> large population of Hmong refugees. Similar venom existed toward them.
>
>What is a Hmong, Lilly of the 2 L's? :>)
>
>
> Turlough
An ethnic group from Laos, before that from China. Very simple people
with an agricultural oriented culture - until very recently, had no written
language. Many came to the US after Vietnam, and have had more trouble
assimilating than just about any other ethnic group.
Slainte, Jerry
Heron
<g_arseN...@hotmail.com.invalid> writes
>I've been ragged about my feelings about knackers. You Yanks
>richest bastards in the country. Go to any halting site and
>spongers. I've a cousin that works for the social, and they sign
>on fer the dole all over the country. They get the children's
>allowance fer kids that aren't theirs. They rob cheat and steal
>everywhere they go. That;s a known fact. They're filthy cunts
>the whole lot of them. They destroy the country anywhere they're
>own Knacker Doyle of course)
>
shut up you gobshite. they are no worse than the landed people in
ireland. i you want to bitch, feel free, but include all the guilty. not
just the ones you have a grudge against.
by the way, your average yank could think that knacker is another word
for politician they way they act.
--
Heron?
PMulli8106
Wrote
On Sat, 06 May 2000 21:44:31 -0700, GoldenArse
<g_arseN...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>I've been ragged about my feelings about knackers. You Yanks
>don't understand. Knackers aren't poor.
>>We understand them perfectly well GA, >>some of us anyway.
It is pleasing to hear this.
Description of a * knacker *
1 Knackers aren't poor.
Depends on your definition of poor but the innuendo that all have plenty of
money is not true, as in any other walk of life there are those amongst
travelers that are better off than others
2 They're some of the richest bastards in the country.
Is this just a perception?
Because they pay no rent? Does everybody else?
Because they pay no taxes? Like the rest of the country?
Because they claim everything they can? Nobody else does?
This could be said about a significant amount of people.
3 Go to any halting site and you'll see Jags and Mercs everywhere.
If it was really investigated instead of assuming it would be seen that this is
simply not true. While it is true that there are Mercedes and jags, not
forgetting the sierra cosworths it is comparitavely few who possess these, go
around any corporation estate and you will see similar and don't try to
convince me that they all work and pay taxes.
4 They are professional spongers. I've a cousin that works for the
social,and they sign on fer the dole all over the country. They get the
children's allowance fer kids that aren't theirs.
Nobody else in the whole of the country indulges in this lucrative pastime?
This is a common story in countries other than Ireland where people other than
the natives claim allowances, there will always be abuses and not wholly
perpetrated by outsiders.
5 They rob cheat and steal everywhere they go. That;s a known fact.
Like any other community not all travelers are the same
There are no cheats and thieves outside this group in Ireland?
It seems to me that the government is one of the most corrupt, what with
offshore accounts and the ambivalence to sleaze surely what it is claimed
these people get up to doesn't even cause an eye to blink, surely it would be
better for the whole country to concentrate energy on clearing up this
corruption than venting on people who are 'easy targets'.
6 They're filthy cunts the whole lot of them. They destroy the country
anywhere they're allowed stop. Apart from that, they're alright.
When I was a kid I actually shared food with these 'cunts' and found some of
them to be fastidiously clean. But like other factions of society there are
those that are not so clean. What I find interesting is that people will sit
drinking in a pub with people who don't work, stink to high heaven and think
them great people because they 'belong' ie. Live in a house but as soon as a
traveller walks in will say 'dirty lazy cunt' without even attempting to know
him/her.
If this is the case then there are a hell of a lot of 'Knackers' living in the
Dublin area but only a minority living in caravans.
I think that travelers like most people with the wrong address would like to
be given the chance to belong, they live in tense anticipation of bad faith
rejection and harm. They expect a lifetime of hate directed at them because
their name is a synonym for thieves and cheats and 'dirty cunts'. Because of
the violence of the outcry and the continuum of persecution against them they
see themselves without a homeland and respond accordingly and adopt the
characteristics most necessary to their survival which happens to be the one
most uncomfortable to others. It would be nigh on impossible to overstate the
reflexive hate and fear people have for them, even otherwise rational people.
Travellers are Europeans too.
Pat …………. Who has ceased to be amazed at man's inhumanity towards man
Thomas P. Sheridan
> They are professional
> spongers. I've a cousin that works for the social, and they sign
> on fer the dole all over the country. They get the children's
> allowance fer kids that aren't theirs. They rob cheat and steal
> everywhere they go. That's a known fact. They're filthy cunts
> the whole lot of them.
Sounds very much like the things I used to hear from 'respectable' folk
regarding ALL people from Ballymun when I was a kid.
Give it a break GA, you've gone way over the top this time.
Joseph Meehan
Many Yanks don't know what Knackers are, but you don't know that they
are also in the US. They are not as visible, nor do I believe they are as
many, but they are present and some are wealthy (not all Knackers are rich
and if you don't know it you should) I the US they are called Gypsies.
I agree with you, they (many of them) are a problem. Just how do you
believe they should be handled?
--
Joe M
26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish math
Robert Wilson
Joseph Meehan <slig...@hotmail.com> wrote
Many Yanks don't know what Knackers are, but you don't know that they
> are also in the US. They are not as visible, nor do I believe they are as
> many, but they are present and some are wealthy (not all Knackers are rich
> and if you don't know it you should) I the US they are called Gypsies.
>
> I agree with you, they (many of them) are a problem. Just how do you
> believe they should be handled?
>
> --
> Joe M
> 26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish math
>
The verb 'to handle' is unfortunate in these circumstances. It was the exact
verb the SS used in their wartime dealings with Gypsies. I would eschew if I
were you.
rw
CSOUPKID
>From: "Robert Wilson" trebor...@easynet.co.uk
>Date: 5/7/00 8:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <8f50gb$2pbc$1...@quince.news.
>The verb 'to handle' is unfortunate in these circumstances. It was the exact
>verb the SS used in their wartime dealings with Gypsies. I would eschew if I
>were you.
>
>rw
Eschew? Which Chew? Oh, yeah, hey, thats right. These knackers might be a
"minority", or something, so, if they steal, cheat, or do violence, its because
of racism, or being deprived or something, and should not be even criticised,
let alone punished.
_____________________________________________________
"Living well is the best revenge"
Philo
Robert Wilson
CSOUPKID <csou...@aol.com> wrote
> >From: "Robert Wilson" > >The verb 'to handle' is unfortunate in these
circumstances. It was the exact
> >verb the SS used in their wartime dealings with Gypsies. I would eschew
if I
> >were you.
> >
> >rw
>
> Eschew? Which Chew? Oh, yeah, hey, thats right. These knackers might be a
> "minority", or something, so, if they steal, cheat, or do violence, its
because
> of racism, or being deprived or something, and should not be even
criticised,
> let alone punished.
> _____________________________________________________
>
> "Living well is the best revenge"
If you extrapolate from individual incidents, you will make foolish
mistakes. If one Irish person robs, does that mean that four million Irish
people are thieves?
That is the only thing to which I would object. To make an accurate comment
about any ethnic group, you would actually have to meet them all and
interview them exhaustively. Ethnic generalisations are meaningless (I'm
resisting the obvious Belgian joke), they can be pernicious or otherwise but
they are always meaningless.
That doesn't stop them being fun.
rw
Turlough
> An ethnic group from Laos, before that from China. Very simple > people
> with an agricultural oriented culture - until very recently, had no written
> language. Many came to the US after Vietnam, and have had more trouble
> assimilating than just about any other ethnic group.
Interesting, Jerry. I had never heard of them, but then again, I think
more SE Asians settled on the west coast than the east. Most of our
assimilation troubles here come from Kerrymen. No one can ever
understand them. :>)
Turlough
mick
The same people that most respondents have tried to defend with the touchy
feely slant of "They are real people too"...yis have no clue. These same people
'Knackers'
wouldn't think twice about kicking the head off ya and robbing your house
afterwards.
Knackers are NOT gypsies, sure years ago they may have done that kind of stuff,
but now, They rob, sell drugs, collect dole everywhere.....
Granted THERE ARE SOME that are OK.... Usually they treat you OK if you've come
to an understanding ( I scratch your back and you scratch mine), or you've
beaten the whole family in a fight.
Being a Knacker is not a bad thing for them, it's the way they are, they enjoy
being hated and in some places feared. The often are given free houses and will
have it torn apart in weeks asking for another or their caravan back. I have
had loads of contact with Knackers and I think I can speak from experience, if
they heard the soppy crap that some people have said, they would come at ya with
a bar!!
If the bleeding hearts ever woke up one morning and pulled their curtains,
only to find a halting site crop up over night, they may change their tune.!!!
But to each their OWN!!!
Good for ya GA!!!
GoldenArse wrote:
> I've been ragged about my feelings about knackers. You Yanks
> don't understand. Knackers aren't poor. They're some of the
> richest bastards in the country. Go to any halting site and
> you'll see Jags and Mercs everywhere. They are professional
> spongers. I've a cousin that works for the social, and they sign
> on fer the dole all over the country. They get the children's
> allowance fer kids that aren't theirs. They rob cheat and steal
> everywhere they go. That;s a known fact. They're filthy cunts
> the whole lot of them. They destroy the country anywhere they're
> allowed stop. Apart from that, they're alright. (Excluding our
> own Knacker Doyle of course)
>
> GoldenArse
> SCI Knacker Hater
mick
mick
A Brimful of Kate
Turlough crooned seductively:
>
>
>
>Lilly Langtree wrote:
> When
>> my kids were babies, we lived out in the boonies in a little town with a
>> large population of Hmong refugees. Similar venom existed toward them.
>
>What is a Hmong, Lilly of the 2 L's? :>)
Cambodian, I think.
K.
--
Researchers have discovered that chocolate produces some of the same reactions
in the brain as marijuana.... The researchers also discovered other similarities
between the two, but can't remember what they are.
--Matt Lauer on the Today show http://www.celticweb.com/users/noracharles
Wife Swappers Against Tibet
> Five million. Not counting those currently off-island.
Sounds like a Fianna Failer chatting with his accountant.
Jilted John
wrote:
>
>"GoldenArse" <g_arseN...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message >
>> GoldenArse
>> SCI Knacker Hater
>>
>>
>GA, I've got to know. What the hell is a "HyAce"?
>-Conway
>
Ya can buy one here
http://www.iol.ie/%7Eomara/omm/hiace.html
GoldenArse
That's typical. O'Mara Motors advertises Hi-Aces on the net and
in the picture it's a fuckin' left hand drive!! Technology
hasn't caught up to those people. Now where is O'Mara's anyway,
hmmmm.. There's a clue fer ya.
GoldenArse
SCI Hi-Ace Fan
GoldenArse
<he...@equinox11.demon.co.uk> wrote:>
shut up you gobshite. they are no worse than the landed people in
>ireland. i you want to bitch, feel free, but include all the
guilty. not
>just the ones you have a grudge against.
>
>by the way, your average yank could think that knacker is
another word
>for politician they way they act.
So you do admit that knackers are thievin' connivin' bastards
then?
GoldenArse
SCI Knacker Lover
GoldenArse
redbrea...@aol.com (Red Breast105530) wrote:
>>They're some of the
>>richest bastards in the country. Go to any halting site and
>>you'll see Jags and Mercs everywhere.
>
knackers own Jags
>and Mercs it is because it is the only way we get respect. Here
in America you
>see the Romas with Ferarris and Mercs to. But we make money
honestly. My wife
>does pyshic readings and she does not charge. She says to
people pay her what
>they think it is worth after she gives good advice. I was born
in Ireland but
>came to America for new life not long enough ago. When I was
last in Ireland I
>saw rubbish everywhere. Blame the knackers and the tinkers but
it is because
>the celtic tiger cant clean up its own shite goldenarse. If I
ever see you I
>will bate you across the head with a crowbar you piece of pigs
manure.
>
>John Red Breast
>
>
>
Glad you're enjoying America. Stay there willya? How typical of
a tinker to bring up the subject of crowbars/slash
hooks/knives/hammers/machetes etc. It's in their "culture" you
see.
GoldenArse
SCI Crowbar Boy
Nutbar
CSOUPKID <csou...@aol.com> wrote in article
<20000507233105...@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
> >Subject: Re: Why I hate Knackers
> >From: "Robert Wilson" trebor...@easynet.co.uk
> >Date: 5/7/00 8:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <8f50gb$2pbc$1...@quince.news.
>
> >The verb 'to handle' is unfortunate in these circumstances. It was the
exact
> >verb the SS used in their wartime dealings with Gypsies. I would eschew
if I
> >were you.
> >
> >rw
>
> Eschew? Which Chew? Oh, yeah, hey, thats right. These knackers might be
a
> "minority", or something, so, if they steal, cheat, or do violence, its
because
> of racism, or being deprived or something, and should not be even
criticised,
> let alone punished.
I thought it was their kulchur.
Silly me.
Nutbar the Unkulchured
Nutbar
Robert Wilson <trebor...@easynet.co.uk> wrote in article
<8f50gb$2pbc$1...@quince.news.easynet.net>...
>
> Joseph Meehan <slig...@hotmail.com> wrote
>
>
> Many Yanks don't know what Knackers are, but you don't know that they
> > are also in the US. They are not as visible, nor do I believe they are
as
> > many, but they are present and some are wealthy (not all Knackers are
rich
> > and if you don't know it you should) I the US they are called Gypsies.
> >
> > I agree with you, they (many of them) are a problem. Just how do
you
> > believe they should be handled?
> >
> > --
> > Joe M
> > 26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish math
> >
>
> The verb 'to handle' is unfortunate in these circumstances. It was the
exact
> verb the SS used in their wartime dealings with Gypsies. I would eschew
if I
> were you.
>
> rw
Feck off you pc cretin.He will use whatever words he likes and in whatever
order he likes
and to say what he likes as long as what he says is what he means and fuck
the begrudgers.
Jaysus wept. What a furkin country we are becoming.
Excuse the expletives but don't stop me using them.
Nutbar the Free
Nutbar
PMulli8106 <pmull...@aol.compissoff> wrote in article
<20000507192405...@ng-ck1.aol.com>...
> : Sheela na Gig <She...@lomans.com>
> Wrote
>
> On Sat, 06 May 2000 21:44:31 -0700, GoldenArse
> <g_arseN...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> >I've been ragged about my feelings about knackers. You Yanks
> >don't understand. Knackers aren't poor.
>
>
> >>We understand them perfectly well GA, >>some of us anyway.
>
> It is pleasing to hear this.
>
> Description of a * knacker *
>
> 1 Knackers aren't poor.
>
> Depends on your definition of poor but the innuendo that all have plenty
of
> money is not true, as in any other walk of life there are those amongst
> travelers that are better off than others
>
> 2 They're some of the richest bastards in the country.
>
> Is this just a perception?
>
> Because they pay no rent? Does everybody else?
>
> Because they pay no taxes? Like the rest of the country?
>
> Because they claim everything they can? Nobody else does?
>
> This could be said about a significant amount of people.
>
>
> 3 Go to any halting site and you'll see Jags and Mercs everywhere.
>
> If it was really investigated instead of assuming it would be seen that
this is
> simply not true. While it is true that there are Mercedes and jags, not
> forgetting the sierra cosworths it is comparitavely few who possess
these, go
> around any corporation estate and you will see similar and don't try to
> convince me that they all work and pay taxes.
>
>
> 4 They are professional spongers. I've a cousin that works for the
> social,and they sign on fer the dole all over the country. They get the
> children's allowance fer kids that aren't theirs.
>
> Nobody else in the whole of the country indulges in this lucrative
pastime?
> This is a common story in countries other than Ireland where people other
than
> the natives claim allowances, there will always be abuses and not wholly
> perpetrated by outsiders.
>
>
>
>
> 5 They rob cheat and steal everywhere they go. That;s a known fact.
>
>
> Like any other community not all travelers are the same
>
> There are no cheats and thieves outside this group in Ireland?
>
> It seems to me that the government is one of the most corrupt, what with
> offshore accounts and the ambivalence to sleaze surely what it is claimed
> these people get up to doesn't even cause an eye to blink, surely it
would be
> better for the whole country to concentrate energy on clearing up this
> corruption than venting on people who are 'easy targets'.
>
>
> 6 They're filthy cunts the whole lot of them. They destroy the country
> anywhere they're allowed stop. Apart from that, they're alright.
>
Naw.....Dirt and violence go hand in hand with Knacker kulchur.
Its a primary feature of their makeup that makes the generalisation
accurate
and self evident.
It is a pity that those who are neither dirty nor violent are included in
the generalisation
but that does not change the overview which is simply accurate.
Nutbar
Red Breast105530
>you'll see Jags and Mercs everywhere.
You mite be intrested to know that the reason what you call knackers own Jags
and Mercs it is because it is the only way we get respect. Here in America you
see the Romas with Ferarris and Mercs to. But we make money honestly. My wife
does pyshic readings and she does not charge. She says to people pay her what
Nutbar
mick <"2Drunk "@the club-may.be> wrote in article
<8f6ad...@enews2.newsguy.com>...
It's good to see some people are honest enough to
call it as they see it.
Well said.
Nutbar
Larry@home
GoldenArse wrote in message <09021994...@usw-ex0103-023.remarq.com>...
>a tinker to bring up the subject of crowbars/slash
>hooks/knives/hammers/machetes etc. It's in their "culture" you
>see.
>
>GoldenArse
>SCI Crowbar Boy
>
>
>
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life to come and visit the gun ridden stopping places of the knackers of
Ireland. Cos he's frightened!
Nutbar
jake <iubh...@bellatlantic.net> wrote in article
<ebmehsgo4bitb1f92...@4ax.com>...
> On Mon, 08 May 2000 20:50:20 -0400, mick <"2Drunk "@the club-may.be>
> wrote:
>
> snipped..
>
> >Knackers are NOT gypsies, sure years ago they may have done that kind of
stuff,
> >but now, They rob, sell drugs, collect dole everywhere.....
> >Granted THERE ARE SOME that are OK.... Usually they treat you OK if
you've come
> >to an understanding ( I scratch your back and you scratch mine), or
you've
> >beaten the whole family in a fight.
> >Being a Knacker is not a bad thing for them, it's the way they are, they
enjoy
> >being hated and in some places feared. The often are given free houses
and will
> >have it torn apart in weeks asking for another or their caravan back. I
have
> >had loads of contact with Knackers and I think I can speak from
experience, if
> >they heard the soppy crap that some people have said, they would come at
ya with
> >a bar!!
> snipped
>
> "They" is a favourite four-letter word of yours, eh? To someone in
> the world, you, also, are a "they". I hope you're happy with this
> distinction. Let me know when "they" use it against *you*. If *a*
> person did *a* thing, you could state a case and expect
> justice/sympathy, or whatever. The minute you lump them all into one
> group, you loose credibility -- except that you affirm what an eejit
> you can be.
>
> jake
Nope...its called generalising and has merit.
Nutbar
Madra Dubh
"GoldenArse" <g_arseN...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message >
> >>
> >GA, I've got to know. What the hell is a "HyAce"?
> >-Conway
> >
>
> knacker favourite) but a bit smaller and taller. They're usually
> very nice but with expired tax discs and no insurance. Doyle
> drives one I believe. You'll see them all over the place by the
> side of the road with 20,000 pound caravans surrounded by
> rubbish and dirty nappies.
>
Thanks, GA. One thing is for certain, they ain't starving to death if they
all are driving Toyotas.
-Conway
Madra Dubh
"Sheela na Gig" <She...@lomans.com> wrote in message >
> It's a van you drive (Toyota) when you want to see what it feels like
> to be discriminated against. It's simply just a van. However, because
> many travellers drive them, if you drive one, you are constantly
> stopped for no reason whatsoever and questioned. Depending upon whose
> driving (Yank female) you might have a red faced confused garda saying
> he stopped you just because he wanted to have a "chat", or (Irish
> male) you get searched and threatened with charges.
>
> It is also a van which causes B&B's in the back arse of nowhere to
> pretend they have no room at the inn in the dead of winter.
>
> The only nice thing about it (I actually detest vans) is when you
> drive by the traveller's sites they wave and smile and invite you in
> and are quite pleasant, hospitable and welcoming to you.
>
> It's only a vehicle.
There sure is a division of opinions as to the nature of Travelers.
The only ones I'm familiar with are in the American branch. The're
headquartered about one hundred miles from Charlotte in Murphytown, South
Carolina. You'd never catch this bunch smiling and waving and asking you in.
But <sigh> they are of Irish descent.
-Conway
(They came by once to pave my driveway. I gave them a big grin. They gave me
a big grin. They got into their trucks and left. I went back into the house.
We communicated perfectly and not a word was said)
Lisieux
jjd...@yahoo.com (Jerry Desmond) wrote:
>
> An ethnic group from Laos, before that from China. Very simple
people
> with an agricultural oriented culture - until very recently, had no
written
> language. Many came to the US after Vietnam, and have had more
trouble
> assimilating than just about any other ethnic group.
>
>
>
Digging slit trenches and firing AK47s at every helicopter they see is
not going to endear them to either the TV News folks or the 'eye in the
sky' traffic police. Of course in LA the police chopper pilots are
used to it. In Beirut it would be a socially endearing trait. Maybe
they should go there.
--
Lisieux
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Before you buy.
Lisieux
"Tony Cooper" <tony_co...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not going to "rag" on you for this. I can't cure bigotry with a
single
> bound over tall buildings. I just try to make sure that I don't show
the
> same type of prejudices that I find unattractive in others.
Err....
Lisieux
"Lilly Langtree" <L_Lan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>When I was foster
> parenting (kids "of color"), I finally encountered racism directed
toward me
> personally ... people who couldn't handle me walking around holding a
black
> baby.
You are soo damn cool Susan.
Lisieux
A Brimful of Kate <norac...@takemeaway.celticweb.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 07 May 2000 13:17:55 -0400 in article
<3915A543...@surfree.com>,
> Turlough crooned seductively:
> >
> >
> >
> >Lilly Langtree wrote:
> > When
> >> my kids were babies, we lived out in the boonies in a little town
with a
> >> large population of Hmong refugees. Similar venom existed toward
them.
> >
> >What is a Hmong, Lilly of the 2 L's? :>)
>
> Cambodian, I think.
>
> K.
>
>
I'd say Laos myself. About ten thousand fought in General Vang Pao's
army assisting US forces in Indo-china. I gather they were still
fighting when they were abandoned. They regarded themselves as part of
the US Forces and effort.
Equal numbers of civilian refugees escaped to both the USA and Thailand
but most of the actual Hmong army was trapped. The communists were not
very fond of them. I presume their fate was eventually predictably
grim. There are a few million left in China.
http://ww2.saturn.stpaul.k12.mn.us/kids/asianstories.html
Lisieux
"Robert Wilson" <trebor...@easynet.co.uk> wrote:
> > I agree with you, they (many of them) are a problem. Just how
do you
> > believe they should be handled?
> >
> > --
> > Joe M
> > 26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish math
> >
>
> The verb 'to handle' is unfortunate in these circumstances. It was
the exact
> verb the SS used in their wartime dealings with Gypsies. I would
eschew if I
> were you.
>
> rw
The Citizenship Law of 1943 omitted any mention of Gypsies since they
were not expected to exist much longer. They were treated as Jews
essentially. They merely escaped some of the attention.
Most were killed. "Accounting for Genocide: Victims - and Survivors -
of the Holocaust" (New York: Free Press, 1979) Helen Fein. In Slovakia
and the Czech Republic their circumstances remain very grim.
Frank
In article <EUlS4.1907$XO1.1...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "Madra
wrote:
>There sure is a division of opinions as to the nature of Travelers.
>The only ones I'm familiar with are in the American branch. The're
>headquartered about one hundred miles from Charlotte in Murphytown, South
>Carolina. You'd never catch this bunch smiling and waving and asking you
>in.
>But <sigh> they are of Irish descent.
>-Conway
>(They came by once to pave my driveway. I gave them a big grin. They gave
>me
>a big grin. They got into their trucks and left. I went back into the house.
>We communicated perfectly and not a word was said)
>
One of my cousins is married to a woman from a breakaway family of the South
Carolina Murphys. She doesn't have much that is nice to say about them.
Apparently thet tried to make things pretty difficult for her family when they
went straight.
Easy Does IT,
FRANK C.
"Don't look back. The bastards might be gaining on you" - Satchel Paige
Lilly Langtree
Lisieux <catholic_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <XUfR4.591$fa1....@news.premier1.net>,
> "Lilly Langtree" <L_Lan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >When I was foster
> > parenting (kids "of color"), I finally encountered racism directed
> toward me
> > personally ... people who couldn't handle me walking around holding
a
> black
> > baby.
>
> You are soo damn cool Susan.
Thank you for saying this, Greig. Yesterday was a sad day here in the
Great Northwest, so I appreciated the compliment.
Unfortunately, if it were true, instead of spouting off opinions in
Usenet all day and trying to look like the sexy babe I definitely am
not....I'd have a couple of those little kids living in my house again
and be too busy to bore the socks off the inhabitants of SCI.
Hopefully some day I can be a foster mom again. I like kids and by the
time I get the thorny issues in my life solved, I'll be just right for
being a "grannie-type" which is almost as good (or maybe better than)a
mom-type. Either one loves you, but one is a bit more relaxed about it
than the other.
One little girl who lived with me for a short while learned to ride a
bike (my son's)during that time. I will NEVER forget how determined
she was to do it, and wish I could describe what it was like to watch
her finally succeed and then jump off the bike, celebrating like a
person who'd just won an Olympic medal "I DID IT!!!!". THAT was damn
cool. Not long after she left my home (the State determines that
stuff, ya know), she had a nervous breakdown and spent a number of
months at Children's Hospital in the psych ward. She was all of 6
years old, maybe even 5, I can't remember. I know I've posted this in
SCI before, but I'll use the senility card to excuse it.
Yesterday was a sad day and I was thinking of many sad things.
Sometimes it feels so overealming.... from the abuses in N.I. to the
abuses in the States, to the shit way people treat each other the world
over...to the insect you just squished out of mean-ness.
Unki locked himself in a shed, I hear - although I think he stopped
archiving in Deja and I can't find the evidence of it. I think a bit
of time in a shed is good for everyone, but then ya gotta crawl back
out and do *something*. Maybe usenet is a bit of a shed. Hard to say.
Séimí mac Liam
Lilly Langtree <L_Lan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8feg9k$2b5$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Jackson.
Madra Dubh
"Frank" <ezee...@aol.comNOJUNK> wrote in message
news:20000511021807.11398.00001774@nso-> >
> One of my cousins is married to a woman from a breakaway family of the
South
> Carolina Murphys. She doesn't have much that is nice to say about them.
> Apparently thet tried to make things pretty difficult for her family when
they
> went straight.
>
not too fond of folks that stray from the way.
-Conway
redvet
By of an introduction I am the facilitator for “Vietnam Veterans Against
the War/Anti-Imperialist”. Generally our work in this news group is to
provide assistance to students researching the Vietnam War. We provided
them with an outline to follow along with resource material which includes
GI resistors to the war, and descriptions of the collapse of the american
army and her allies. Our web site is located at:
http://www.oz.net/~vvawai/ At the national level our different chapters
work on projects as diverse as defending current GI resistors, sanctions
against countries such as Cuba and Iraq, and political prisoners held in an
america’s vast concentration camps for the poor.
I’ve found much of your postings to be creditable, at least in that I’ve
familiar with the ‘shocking’ revelations concerning My Lai (nope..those
villagers weren’t just simply shot; they were seriously fucked with) and
the method of interrogations of PAVN prisoners by US forces and her allies
(When a long time poster advise's that perhaps it shouldn’t be a topic
for discussion...well he is not the only one who knows those prisoners
were seriously fucked with too). I also have to admire someone who can deal
with as much denial as exists in this news group and keeps plowing forward.
We have had others who have done the same, not necessarily with your
intelligence or joie de vi vre, but they -in their own way - moved the
group from complete denial “we didn’t lose the war”, “Fraggings were a
lie”, “desertions, what desertions, we didn’t have any stinking desertions”
to a more realistic portrayal of an army in rebellion and defeated by a
‘peoples war’.
Anyway, I’ve got a couple of questions that perhaps you could help me
with. In your rabbit and turtle thread here you make mention of Gen. Vang
Pao. My understanding is that he was one of the Chinese war lords that fled
south when Mao liberated China and was involved with heroin and opium
distribution. Have I got that right?
My second question is bit more general and has to do with the “Air America
” thread(s) in its various forms. We seem to have in this news group the
greatest concentration of self admitted intelligence operatives outside of
the Central Intelligence Agency who have had personal, first hand knowledge
of Air America. None have the slightest awareness of that agency having
been involved in drug trafficking. It’s my understanding that it was the
principle source of funding for Hmong army interdicting the PAVN supply
lines. In the 1980's, the CIA utilized the same technique with “EverGreen
Air” to support the Contra War. Your thoughts? -redvet, who has an
inquiring mind...still yet
`
Lisieux
Lilly Langtree <L_Lan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> One little girl who lived with me for a short while learned to ride a
> bike (my son's)during that time. I will NEVER forget how determined
> she was to do it, and wish I could describe what it was like to watch
> her finally succeed and then jump off the bike, celebrating like a
> person who'd just won an Olympic medal "I DID IT!!!!". THAT was damn
> cool. Not long after she left my home (the State determines that
> stuff, ya know), she had a nervous breakdown and spent a number of
> months at Children's Hospital in the psych ward. She was all of 6
> years old, maybe even 5, I can't remember. I know I've posted this in
> SCI before, but I'll use the senility card to excuse it.
When I was a kid I wish I could click my fingers and do magic, I still
do. I will never stop trying to do magic. I need to ask God to do it
more often I reckon. I am going to do a decade of the rosary for
Florida.
It is like trying to click your fingers. It is an attempt at
magic. It is probably more useful than expecting the Governor of
Florida to close his rape camps. In fact I know it is. He is more
likely to close the Florida Corrections Commission instead.
--
Lisieux
pmartin
at how much ' Cocain ' was imported into the US...
Yep, by the Golden Triangle.....
"redvet" <red...@lava.net> wrote in message
news:391BC806...@lava.net...
Cadazian
> > "Lilly Langtree" <L_Lan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >When I was foster
> > > parenting (kids "of color"), I finally encountered racism directed
> > toward me
> > > personally ... people who couldn't handle me walking around
holding
> a
> > black
> > > baby.
> >
> > You are soo damn cool Susan.
>
> Thank you for saying this, Greig. Yesterday was a sad day here in the
> Great Northwest, so I appreciated the compliment.
>
> Unfortunately, if it were true
It is true. The school is snowed in, the funny people are in charge and
the stars are out and bright and it is true.
--
Cadazian
--
Cadazian
Heron
<g_arseN...@hotmail.com.invalid> writes
>In article <FJPFcYAb...@equinox11.demon.co.uk>, Heron
><he...@equinox11.demon.co.uk> wrote:>
>
>shut up you gobshite. they are no worse than the landed people in
>>ireland. i you want to bitch, feel free, but include all the
>guilty. not
>>just the ones you have a grudge against.
>>
>>by the way, your average yank could think that knacker is
>another word
>>for politician they way they act.
>
>So you do admit that knackers are thievin' connivin' bastards
>then?
>
no better, no worse.
any other racial groups you'd like to give us group characteristics of??
blacks perhaps, jews, taigs, prods, brits??????
--
Heron?