Who Is Ireland's Enemy??
WhiteWolf
Not Germany nor Spain,
Not Russia, France nor Austria;
They forged for her no chain,
Nor quenched her hearts,
Nor raized her homes,
Nor laid her alters low,
Nor sent her sons to tramp the hills
Amid the winter snow!
Who spiked the heads of Irish Priests
On Dublin Castle gate?
Who butchered helpless Irish babes,
The lust for blood to sate?
Who outraged Irish maidenhood,
And tortured aged sires,
And spread from Clare to Donegal,
The glare of Midnight fires?
Who scourged our land in '98
Spread torture far and wide,
Till Ireland shrieked in woe and pain,
and Hell seemed fair beside?
Who plied the pitch-cap and the sword,
The gibbet and the rack?
O God! that we should ever fail
To pay those devils back.
Who slew three in Manchester,
One drear November dawn,
While round them howled in fury
The devils's hungry spawn?
Who shattered many a Fenian mind
In dungeons o'er the foam,
And broke the loyal Fenian hearts
That pined for them at home?
Who shot down Clark and Connolly
And Pearse at dawn of day,
And Plunkett and MacDiarmada
and all who died as they?
Who robbed us of McSwiney brave?
Who murdered Mellows too,
Sent Barry to a felon's grave,
And slaughtered Cathal Brugha?
Not Germany nor Austraia,
Not Russia, France nor Spain
That robbed and reaved this land of ours,
That forged her rusty chain;
But England of the wily words---
A crafty, treacherous foe---
'Twas England scourged our Motherland,
'Twas England laid her low!
Rise up, oh dead of Ireland!
And rouse her living men;
The chance will come to us at last
To win our own again;
To sweep the English enemy
From hill and glen and bay,
And in your name, o holy dead!
Our sacred debt to pay!
----
From a poem that first appeared in the Wolfe Tone Weekly
in 1938, been reprinted in many other Republican journals in
Ireland and America.
Ray
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26 + 6 = 1 United Ireland, Erin go breá!
Email: ra...@iol.ie
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/capitolhill/7652
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Scants
news:389a0bb1....@news.ix.netcom.com...
> Who is Ireland's enemy?
> Not Germany nor Spain,
> Not Russia, France nor Austria;
> They forged for her no chain,
> Nor quenched her hearts,
> Nor raized her homes,
> Nor laid her alters low,
> Nor sent her sons to tramp the hills
> Amid the winter snow!
You've posted this recently. Must you continue to incite hatred? Don't
you get out much?
Paul Dundas
> Who is Ireland's enemy?
...bad poetry snipped....
> O God! that we should ever fail
> To pay those devils back.
>
...more bad poetry snipped....
> Rise up, oh dead of Ireland!
> And rouse her living men;
> The chance will come to us at last
> To win our own again;
> To sweep the English enemy
> From hill and glen and bay,
> And in your name, o holy dead!
> Our sacred debt to pay!
>
I think the ememies of Ireland are the sad, hate-filled
lunatics who want to get back to a shooting war, and
their comforters and encouragers who post tripe like
the poem I just snipped.
--
Paul D
"what, no future?"
WhiteWolf
wrote:
>WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:389a0bb1....@news.ix.netcom.com...
>> Who is Ireland's enemy?
>> Not Germany nor Spain,
>> Not Russia, France nor Austria;
>> They forged for her no chain,
>> Nor quenched her hearts,
>> Nor raized her homes,
>> Nor laid her alters low,
>> Nor sent her sons to tramp the hills
>> Amid the winter snow!
>
>
>You've posted this recently. Must you continue to incite hatred? Don't
>you get out much?
>
>
Just wondered if anyone would remember it... It's a lovely song don't
you think??
Scants
> On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:20:43 -0000, "Scants" <scants[nospam]@eircom.net>
> wrote:
>
> >WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> >news:389a0bb1....@news.ix.netcom.com...
> >> Who is Ireland's enemy?
> >> Not Germany nor Spain,
> >> Not Russia, France nor Austria;
> >> They forged for her no chain,
> >> Nor quenched her hearts,
> >> Nor raized her homes,
> >> Nor laid her alters low,
> >> Nor sent her sons to tramp the hills
> >> Amid the winter snow!
> >
> >
> >You've posted this recently. Must you continue to incite hatred? Don't
> >you get out much?
> >
> >
> Just wondered if anyone would remember it... It's a lovely song don't
> you think??
>
> Ray
That's not the point. If someone were to post something pretty that was
written by Hitler or Ian Paisley what would be the conclusions drawn by
others? That the person is a sick bastard who seeks to keep alive old
hatreds.
Heron
<Ger@r.d> writes
>WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote
>
>> Who is Ireland's enemy?
>
>
>Soon.
>
hey, he did say he would fight to free his country of invaders. seeing
as how the english are still her i claim my five pounds for proveing ray
aint irish.
--
Heron?
WhiteWolf
>WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote
>
>> Who is Ireland's enemy?
>
>Ray, please consider laying down your life for Ireland.
>
>Soon.
What, so people like you can come spit on my grave?
WhiteWolf
<pdu...@btinternet.no.spam.we're.british.com> wrote:
>WhiteWolf, lsch...@ix.netcom.com, posted...
>> Who is Ireland's enemy?
>
>> Rise up, oh dead of Ireland!
>> And rouse her living men;
>> The chance will come to us at last
>> To win our own again;
>> To sweep the English enemy
>> From hill and glen and bay,
>> And in your name, o holy dead!
>> Our sacred debt to pay!
>>
>
>
>I think the ememies of Ireland are the sad, hate-filled
>lunatics who want to get back to a shooting war, and
>their comforters and encouragers who post tripe like
>the poem I just snipped.
Those enemies and hate-filled lunatics would be the
Unionists, who have this week destroyed all the work of
the previous 3 years or more, and destroyed the best
chance for peace in the last 30 years... If you want to
point the finger of blame, at least point it in the right
direction...
WhiteWolf
wrote:
>WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:389b26b3...@news.ix.netcom.com...
>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:20:43 -0000, "Scants" <scants[nospam]@eircom.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>> >news:389a0bb1....@news.ix.netcom.com...
>> >> Who is Ireland's enemy?
>> >> Not Germany nor Spain,
>> >> Not Russia, France nor Austria;
>> >> They forged for her no chain,
>> >> Nor quenched her hearts,
>> >> Nor raized her homes,
>> >> Nor laid her alters low,
>> >> Nor sent her sons to tramp the hills
>> >> Amid the winter snow!
>> >
>> >
>> >You've posted this recently. Must you continue to incite hatred? Don't
>> >you get out much?
>> >
>> >
>> Just wondered if anyone would remember it... It's a lovely song don't
>> you think??
>>
>> Ray
>
>That's not the point. If someone were to post something pretty that was
>written by Hitler or Ian Paisley what would be the conclusions drawn by
>others? That the person is a sick bastard who seeks to keep alive old
>hatreds.
YOu can think what you want...
Mikal Gilmore
[slice]
> Who murdered Mellows too,
> Sent Barry to a felon's grave,
> And slaughtered Cathal Brugha?
Ray, on the 8th of December 1922 the Free State government executed
Liam Mellows, along with Rory O'Connor, Dick Barrett and Joe McKelvey
in Mountjoy jail.
While Cathal Brugha was killed on the 7th of July 1922 by his former
comrades in arms, following the shelling of the Four Courts, again by
the democratically elected Free State government, under the leadership
of Michael Collins.
Now it's a bit rich for you to be spouting rebel poems considering the
fact that you have as much knowledge about Irish history and culture
as your average Mongolian, and that you are comfortably ensconced 6000
miles away in your cozy Californian 'gated community'.
How much credibility do you have here Ray, do you think?
--------
Loved you there and then, and now like a sheep
-Van Morrison
Albertus Magnus's Cat
wrote:
>On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:46:31 -0000, Paul Dundas
><pdu...@btinternet.no.spam.we're.british.com> wrote:
>
>>WhiteWolf, lsch...@ix.netcom.com, posted...
>>> Who is Ireland's enemy?
>
>>
>>> Rise up, oh dead of Ireland!
>>> And rouse her living men;
>>> The chance will come to us at last
>>> To win our own again;
>>> To sweep the English enemy
>>> From hill and glen and bay,
>>> And in your name, o holy dead!
>>> Our sacred debt to pay!
>>>
>>
>>
>>I think the ememies of Ireland are the sad, hate-filled
>>lunatics who want to get back to a shooting war, and
>>their comforters and encouragers who post tripe like
>>the poem I just snipped.
>
>Those enemies and hate-filled lunatics would be the
>Unionists, who have this week destroyed all the work of
>the previous 3 years or more, and destroyed the best
>chance for peace in the last 30 years... If you want to
>point the finger of blame, at least point it in the right
>direction...
>
>Ray
I'm just amazed thart you can bandy the epiphet "hate-filled" about
with out taking a long good look at yourself first.
Regards,
Dave
WWW:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5885/index.html
(The Legions of the Black Moon - the unofficial Bal-Sagoth homepage)
====================================================================
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" - Aleister Crowley
Scants
news:v0sn9sgldmfcdr1ef...@4ax.com...
> Now it's a bit rich for you to be spouting rebel poems considering the
> fact that you have as much knowledge about Irish history and culture
> as your average Mongolian, and that you are comfortably ensconced 6000
> miles away in your cozy Californian 'gated community'.
He doesn't even know about the present let alone the past. He's a sad man
with nothing better to do than type in a load of ol' crap in the hope that
your average Irish American will be taken in by it.
Scants
> On Fri, 04 Feb 2000 12:27:56 -0600, Gerard Cunningham <Ger@r.d> wrote:
>
> >WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote
> >
> >
> >
> >Soon.
>
> What, so people like you can come spit on my grave?
>
> Ray
Well that reason would be acceptable but I was thinking more along the lines
of saving bandwidth on the internet.
Scants
> >> On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:20:43 -0000, "Scants" <scants[nospam]@eircom.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Who is Ireland's enemy?
> >> >> Not Russia, France nor Austria;
> >> >> They forged for her no chain,
> >> >> Nor quenched her hearts,
> >> >> Nor raized her homes,
> >> >> Nor laid her alters low,
> >> >> Nor sent her sons to tramp the hills
> >> >> Amid the winter snow!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >You've posted this recently. Must you continue to incite hatred?
Don't
> >> >you get out much?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Just wondered if anyone would remember it... It's a lovely song don't
> >> you think??
> >>
> >> Ray
> >
> >That's not the point. If someone were to post something pretty that was
> >written by Hitler or Ian Paisley what would be the conclusions drawn by
> >others? That the person is a sick bastard who seeks to keep alive old
> >hatreds.
>
> YOu can think what you want...
>
> Ray
Thanks for that. Like I needed permission from a hatemonger. if you didn't
post it to incite hatred then why did you?
Bro
> On Fri, 04 Feb 2000 12:27:56 -0600, Gerard Cunningham <Ger@r.d> wrote:
>
> >WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote
> >
> >
> >
> >Soon.
>
> What, so people like you can come spit on my grave?
Party on your grave. Get it right.
bro
dudalb
about Irish Politics and History then in the past, and IRA fund raisers will
have a tougher time then in the past.
kfuz...@tinet.ie
> Rise up, oh dead of Ireland!
I don't think I could handle another Joe Dolan comeback.
Tel...@work.exitprise-plc.com
>Who is Ireland's enemy?
> Not Germany nor Spain,
> Not Russia, France nor Austria;
But it is, just look at what the EU has done to the Punt ! etc.
> They forged for her no chain,
> Nor quenched her hearts,
> Nor raized her homes,
> Nor laid her alters low,
> Nor sent her sons to tramp the hills
> Amid the winter snow!
Oh yea, ask any local farmer, they will tell you different !!
It's the feck'in EU ray
> Who spiked the heads of Irish Priests
> On Dublin Castle gate?
Local people, when they found out the priest were peadophiles !
> Who butchered helpless Irish babes,
> The lust for blood to sate?
The Priests !!!!
fuk_y...@my-deja.com
kfuz...@tinet.ie (kfuz...@tinet.ie) wrote:
> WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > Rise up, oh dead of Ireland!
>
> I don't think I could handle another Joe Dolan comeback.
And Bobby Sands' diet book and talk-show appearances.... no thanks!
FYT
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Derek Bell
: WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
:> Rise up, oh dead of Ireland!
: I don't think I could handle another Joe Dolan comeback.
ROTFLMAO!!!
Derek
--
Derek Bell db...@maths.tcd.ie | Socrates would have loved
WWW: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dbell/index.html| usenet.
PGP: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dbell/key.asc | - J...@bluejo.demon.co.uk
Derek Bell
Derek Bell
: Ray, please consider laying down your life for Ireland.
I'd be happy if he just lay down every now and again. All that
ranting can't be good for him....
Derek Bell
: Just wondered if anyone would remember it... It's a lovely song don't
: you think??
No, not really.
WhiteWolf
wrote:
>WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:389b77c1...@news.ix.netcom.com...
>> On Fri, 04 Feb 2000 12:27:56 -0600, Gerard Cunningham <Ger@r.d> wrote:
>>
>> >WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote
>> >
>> >> Who is Ireland's enemy?
>> >
>> >Ray, please consider laying down your life for Ireland.
>> >
>> >Soon.
>>
>> What, so people like you can come spit on my grave?
>>
>> Ray
>
>Well that reason would be acceptable but I was thinking more along the lines
>of saving bandwidth on the internet.
Anyone that reads it will be more then willing to sacrifice a milisecond
it takes to download...
WhiteWolf
>In article <2000020600...@p238.as1.sligo1.eircom.net>,
> kfuz...@tinet.ie (kfuz...@tinet.ie) wrote:
>> WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Rise up, oh dead of Ireland!
>>
>> I don't think I could handle another Joe Dolan comeback.
>
>And Bobby Sands' diet book and talk-show appearances.... no thanks!
That was a pretty sick thing to say...
WhiteWolf
wrote:
>
>WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:389b77c1...@news.ix.netcom.com...
>> On Fri, 04 Feb 2000 12:27:56 -0600, Gerard Cunningham <Ger@r.d> wrote:
>>
>> >WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote
>> >
>> >> Who is Ireland's enemy?
>> >
>> >Ray, please consider laying down your life for Ireland.
>> >
>> >Soon.
>>
>> What, so people like you can come spit on my grave?
>
>Party on your grave. Get it right.
They had better watch out, my friends might not take too
well to people doing so... The lads I know would get most upset
at the thoughts of someone dancing on my grave because I
died for Ireland, and might be prompted to show their
displeasure in a most physical way...
Course I'll be up in heaven getting my wings and learning
to to play the harp while I await my countrymen...
WhiteWolf
wrote:
Snip
>Thanks for that. Like I needed permission from a hatemonger. if you didn't
>post it to incite hatred then why did you?
>
>
I posted it because it reflects the atrocities against Irealnd over the
centuries... In a short, blunt poem...
WhiteWolf
>lsch...@ix.netcom.com (WhiteWolf) heeft geschreven in bericht:
>
>[slice]
>> Who murdered Mellows too,
>> Sent Barry to a felon's grave,
>> And slaughtered Cathal Brugha?
>
>Ray, on the 8th of December 1922 the Free State government executed
>Liam Mellows, along with Rory O'Connor, Dick Barrett and Joe McKelvey
>in Mountjoy jail.
>
>While Cathal Brugha was killed on the 7th of July 1922 by his former
>comrades in arms, following the shelling of the Four Courts, again by
>the democratically elected Free State government, under the leadership
>of Michael Collins.
>
>Now it's a bit rich for you to be spouting rebel poems considering the
>fact that you have as much knowledge about Irish history and culture
>as your average Mongolian, and that you are comfortably ensconced 6000
>miles away in your cozy Californian 'gated community'.
It isn't a gated community, it's quiet open... It is conservative and
it is well policed by both police, sherriff and private police cars...
>
>How much credibility do you have here Ray, do you think?
Depends on who you ask really?
WhiteWolf
>Gerard Cunningham <Ger@r.d> wrote:
>: Ray, please consider laying down your life for Ireland.
>
> I'd be happy if he just lay down every now and again. All that
>ranting can't be good for him....
Someone's got to do it...
WhiteWolf
>WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>: Just wondered if anyone would remember it... It's a lovely song don't
>: you think??
>
> No, not really.
Well, I have it on tape and it's a nicely sung song, but the song
itself is not nice because of the content...
Albertus Magnus's Cat
wrote:
>On Sun, 06 Feb 2000 16:56:40 GMT, fuk_y...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>>In article <2000020600...@p238.as1.sligo1.eircom.net>,
>> kfuz...@tinet.ie (kfuz...@tinet.ie) wrote:
>>> WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Rise up, oh dead of Ireland!
>>>
>>> I don't think I could handle another Joe Dolan comeback.
>>
>>And Bobby Sands' diet book and talk-show appearances.... no thanks!
>
>That was a pretty sick thing to say...
>
>Ray
Pot...Kettle....Black.
Heron
>well to people doing so... The lads I know would get most upset
>at the thoughts of someone dancing on my grave because I
>died for Ireland, and might be prompted to show their
>displeasure in a most physical way...
>
>Course I'll be up in heaven getting my wings and learning
>to to play the harp while I await my countrymen...
>
eyes yes??
as for dieing for your country, i doubt the americans would be that
bothered.
--
Heron?
WhiteWolf
Magnus's Cat) wrote:
>On Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:41:06 GMT, lsch...@ix.netcom.com (WhiteWolf)
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 06 Feb 2000 16:56:40 GMT, fuk_y...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>
>>>In article <2000020600...@p238.as1.sligo1.eircom.net>,
>>> kfuz...@tinet.ie (kfuz...@tinet.ie) wrote:
>>>> WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Rise up, oh dead of Ireland!
>>>>
>>>> I don't think I could handle another Joe Dolan comeback.
>>>
>>>And Bobby Sands' diet book and talk-show appearances.... no thanks!
>>
>>That was a pretty sick thing to say...
>>
>>Ray
>
>Pot...Kettle....Black.
When did I say anything to compare then?
Albertus Magnus's Cat
ra...@iol.ie wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Feb 2000 22:35:16 GMT, mango...@my-dejanews.com
(Albertus
> Magnus's Cat) wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:41:06 GMT, lsch...@ix.netcom.com (WhiteWolf)
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On Sun, 06 Feb 2000 16:56:40 GMT, fuk_y...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <2000020600...@p238.as1.sligo1.eircom.net>,
> >>> kfuz...@tinet.ie (kfuz...@tinet.ie) wrote:
> >>>> WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Rise up, oh dead of Ireland!
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't think I could handle another Joe Dolan comeback.
> >>>
> >>>And Bobby Sands' diet book and talk-show appearances.... no thanks!
> >>
> >>That was a pretty sick thing to say...
> >>
> >>Ray
> >
> >Pot...Kettle....Black.
>
> When did I say anything to compare then?
>
> Ray
You were ranting about bombs going off in England, in fact, the whole
history of your posts on SCI shows a hatred and bigotry towards anything
remotely British bordering on fanaticism.
Regards,
Dave
--
The Legions of the Black Moon - the unofficial Bal-Sagoth homepage
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5885/index.html
fuk_y...@my-deja.com
ra...@iol.ie wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Feb 2000 16:56:40 GMT, fuk_y...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >In article <2000020600...@p238.as1.sligo1.eircom.net>,
> > kfuz...@tinet.ie (kfuz...@tinet.ie) wrote:
> >> WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Rise up, oh dead of Ireland!
> >>
> >> I don't think I could handle another Joe Dolan comeback.
> >
> >And Bobby Sands' diet book and talk-show appearances.... no thanks!
>
> That was a pretty sick thing to say...
Typical Internet Irish republican attitude (IIRA).... quadruple
humor bypass, every "Brit" death cheered to the echo and every dead
Irishman a hero for eternity.
Pricks like you make puke...
FYY
WhiteWolf
<mango...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Snip
>> >>>And Bobby Sands' diet book and talk-show appearances.... no thanks!
>> >>
>> >>That was a pretty sick thing to say...
>> >>
>> >>Ray
>> >
>> >Pot...Kettle....Black.
>>
>> When did I say anything to compare then?
>>
>> Ray
>
>You were ranting about bombs going off in England, in fact, the whole
>history of your posts on SCI shows a hatred and bigotry towards anything
>remotely British bordering on fanaticism.
If I was on a war history group I'd be "ranting" about the battle of Britain
or the Battle of the Bulge or the Russian front... What's your point?
WhiteWolf
Snip
>> >And Bobby Sands' diet book and talk-show appearances.... no thanks!
>>
>> That was a pretty sick thing to say...
>
>Typical Internet Irish republican attitude (IIRA).... quadruple
>humor bypass, every "Brit" death cheered to the echo and every dead
>Irishman a hero for eternity.
Hmmm... And were have I ever cheered the death of any "brit" then?
>
>Pricks like you make puke...
Anyone want to buy some puke? Apparently I'm making it now...
Fionafoxx
ranting can't be good for him....>>
A prize to the first one who spots the error in grammar.
As for the song itself, it was written in 1938 I believe, and made very good
sense at the time. Today, we don't like to be reminded of the old atrocities,
but has it occurred to anyone that it might be nice of the British to
apologize?
Bro
Fionafoxx <fion...@aol.com> wrote in message
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We're sorry.
bro
Next!
Albertus Magnus's Cat
wrote:
>>They had better watch out, my friends might not take too
>>well to people doing so... The lads I know would get most upset
>>at the thoughts of someone dancing on my grave because I
>>died for Ireland, and might be prompted to show their
>>displeasure in a most physical way...
>>
>>Course I'll be up in heaven getting my wings and learning
>>to to play the harp while I await my countrymen...
>>
>these would be the ones with super powers that would zap us with their
>eyes yes??
>
I would be worried if I were you Steve - you're probably on his list.
come to think of it, I'm probably on it as well
*runs and hides under the bed*
Derek Bell
: Well, I have it on tape and it's a nicely sung song, but the song
: itself is not nice because of the content...
I'm allergic to jingoism.
Derek Bell
: Is Fomor é...
An bhfuil se Balor?
Lulamae Sweeney
>
> On 9 Feb 2000 22:50:16 -0000, Derek Bell <db...@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> wrote:
>
> >WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >: Well, I have it on tape and it's a nicely sung song, but the song
> >: itself is not nice because of the content...
> >
> > I'm allergic to jingoism.
>
>
"The World Turned Upside Down"
Lulamae
Heron
>
>come to think of it, I'm probably on it as well
>
>*runs and hides under the bed*
>
correctly). just pull it over your head. proof against any sort of
nastyness.
--
Heron?
WhiteWolf
>WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>: Well, I have it on tape and it's a nicely sung song, but the song
>: itself is not nice because of the content...
>
> I'm allergic to jingoism.
Is there any rebel song you like?
Ray
fuk_y...@my-deja.com
ra...@iol.ie wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Feb 2000 13:27:31 GMT, fuk_y...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> Snip
> >> >And Bobby Sands' diet book and talk-show appearances.... no
thanks!
> >>
> >> That was a pretty sick thing to say...
> >
> >Typical Internet Irish republican attitude (IIRA).... quadruple
> >humor bypass, every "Brit" death cheered to the echo and every dead
> >Irishman a hero for eternity.
>
> Hmmm... And were have I ever cheered the death of any "brit" then?
>
> >
> >Pricks like you make puke...
>
> Anyone want to buy some puke? Apparently I'm making it now...
>
> Ray
"where" is the word your looking for Ray, not "were".... to paraphrase
'Brownie':
"No side has a monopoly on typos."
You need to get back here for a while and see that things have changed
since you swanned off to the "land of the free". Either f-off for good
or stop peddling history... we've had enough history to last us a
lifetime.
FYT
KateH
> fion...@aol.com said:
> >Today, we don't like to be reminded of the old atrocities,
> >but has it occurred to anyone that it might be nice of the British to
> >apologize?
>
And I thought I was the only one here w/a time machine in the basement.
KateH :)
Fionafoxx
get back to a shooting war, and their comforters and encouragers who post tripe
like the poem I just snipped.>
Yes, people who want to get back to a shooting war are certainly enemies of
Ireland. And people, in particular British and Northern Unionists, who are
unable to face up to their atrocious treatment of the Irish in the past, are
most certainly enemies of Ireland and enemies of the truth.
Fionafoxx
You've really expanded the idea of jingoism. Apparently it describes people who
resent being invaded, robbed, raped, tortured,and pillaged.
Among noted jingoists of the 20th century we'd have to include East European
Jews, East Timorese,and Kosovo Albanians.
WhiteWolf
>WhiteWolf wrote:
>>
>> On 9 Feb 2000 22:50:16 -0000, Derek Bell <db...@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> wrote:
>>
>> >WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >: Well, I have it on tape and it's a nicely sung song, but the song
>> >: itself is not nice because of the content...
>> >
>> > I'm allergic to jingoism.
>>
>> Is there any rebel song you like?
>>
>"The World Turned Upside Down"
>
>Lulamae
>
>
Is that a real song or....
Gavin Bailey
wrote:
>> Is there any rebel song you like?
>>
>"The World Turned Upside Down"
That was by a popular beat combo called Earl Cornwallis and the
Chesapeake Capes, surely?
Gavin Bailey
Bro
What do you want, blood? ................oh yeah
Try to live in the real world where people are individuals and not some
homogenous sticky block of stuff that stretches back into the realms of
history. It's thinking like that that allows people to feel justified when
they slaughter random members of other races, religions and sects as if we
all think like the Borg.
bro
Derek Bell
: As for the song itself, it was written in 1938 I believe, and made very good
: sense at the time. Today, we don't like to be reminded of the old
: atrocities, but has it occurred to anyone that it might be nice of the
: British to apologize?
Firstly, some of the acts mentioned in the song were carried out by
the Free State, were they not?*
Secondly, why are you concerned with asking the *current* British
about acts that occurred up to 1938? I recall someone (Ahern?) asking the
British government to apologise for the Famine and getting one - this was
truly bizarre, seeing as none of those who could be held responsible for the
Famine were alive!!
Derek
*The anti-Treaty forces were also guilty of similar acts.
Derek Bell
: Bro wrote:
:>We're sorry.
: 'Sall right then. Don't let it happen again.
But if there's a next time, he'll have to write it out a hundred
times in Japanese using a tiny stub of chalk.
Derek
Derek Bell
: And I thought I was the only one here w/a time machine in the basement.
: KateH :)
Anyone got a spare transtemporal discombobulator? I found out that
mine was knackered, but every time I went into Peats' I kept being told that
they would have them next week and to stop annoyin' them. Then I started
running into myself...
The annoying thing is that the warranty ran out three weeks ago.
KateH
> : And I thought I was the only one here w/a time machine in the basement.
> : KateH :)
>
> Anyone got a spare transtemporal discombobulator? I found out that
> mine was knackered, but every time I went into Peats' I kept being told
that
> they would have them next week and to stop annoyin' them. Then I started
> running into myself...
> The annoying thing is that the warranty ran out three weeks ago.
Never mind the warranty, I've an 8 year old boy here who works on
discombobulators in his spare time, he could get you that transtemporal
thingamajigy.....but the shipping will kill you.
KateH
Lulamae Sweeney
go bomb the Germans; I hear the beer is good over there.
Lulamae
Tel...@work.exitprise-plc.com
>Fionafoxx <fion...@aol.com> wrote:
>: As for the song itself, it was written in 1938 I believe, and made very good
>: sense at the time. Today, we don't like to be reminded of the old
>: atrocities, but has it occurred to anyone that it might be nice of the
>: British to apologize?
>
> Firstly, some of the acts mentioned in the song were carried out by
>the Free State, were they not?*
>
> Secondly, why are you concerned with asking the *current* British
>about acts that occurred up to 1938? I recall someone (Ahern?) asking the
>British government to apologise for the Famine and getting one - this was
>truly bizarre, seeing as none of those who could be held responsible for the
>Famine were alive!!
Neither are they that died in the famine :-(
The famine was not confined to Ireland ! or caused by Britain.
Parts of Britain also suffered, going by the fact that most people
blame Britain for not helping, they could just as well blame Russia or
Puru for not helping, it's a stupid argument in the first place.
War was nearly declared between Ireland and Britain when the Irish Navy
Followed a convoy of ships and gave the positions to the germans
which resulted in ships being sunk, and many lives being lost when the
germans bombed the said convoy.
A major international incident at the time.
Séimí mac Liam
KateH wrote in message ...
period doesn't begin for another 50 years.
Saint Séimí mac Liam
Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
My eyes are hazel as well as my nuts"
Canonized December '99
Bro
Heron <he...@equinox11.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:UZVB4yAG...@equinox11.demon.co.uk...
> >I would be worried if I were you Steve - you're probably on his list.
> >
> >come to think of it, I'm probably on it as well
> >
> >*runs and hides under the bed*
> >
> no no, not the bed, the douvee (yea i have no idea if thats spelt
> correctly)
.... :-| ..................................... 8-|
. just pull it over your head. proof against any sort of
> nastyness.
> --
> Heron?
bro
Albertus Magnus's Cat
eh Bro?
Me no read indian sign language.
Derek Bell
: You've really expanded the idea of jingoism. Apparently it describes
: people who resent being invaded, robbed, raped, tortured,and pillaged.
Have you ever *heard* a rebel song? There is a distinct air of
practically *relishing* violence in the ones I've heard.
Derek Bell
Heron
>
>Me no read indian sign language.
>
--
Heron?
Fionafoxx
practically *relishing* violence in the ones I've heard.>
That is a rather subjective reaction. I probably have not heard as many as
you, but have not found a relish for violence in them. Give me an example or
two. It would not be surprising if there was a desire for revenge. There are
not many Gandhi's in the world.
Mik Gilmore
>WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>: Is there any rebel song you like?
>
> No.
>
> Derek
Would 'Sweet Home Alabama' count?
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Bren Vaughan
: Derek Bell <db...@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> heeft geschreven in bericht:
: >WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: >: Is there any rebel song you like?
: >
: > No.
: >
: > Derek
: Would 'Sweet Home Alabama' count?
Please tell me you're referring to Warren Zevon here and I'm not alone in
the world?
bren
Kevin Dekan
Lynyrd Skynyrd. Altho Zevon referenced them in his
song "Play It All Night Long".
"Sweet home Alabama"
Play that dead band's song
Turn those speakers up full blast
Play it all night long
-Kevin
Derek Bell
: Then you are missing out on a lot of good music and song...
Very much a matter of opinion.
Derek Bell
: That is a rather subjective reaction. I probably have not heard as many as
: you, but have not found a relish for violence in them.
You will have to take my word that I've heard them being sung in
such a fashion. In my experience, the people who sing them often go beyond
feelings of revenge.
WhiteWolf
>WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>: Then you are missing out on a lot of good music and song...
>
> Very much a matter of opinion.
Very true... The same could be said for a lot of music/songs...
Kevin Dekan
>
> Kevin Dekan (k...@sgi.com) wrote:
> : Bren Vaughan wrote:
>
> : > : Would 'Sweet Home Alabama' count?
> : >
> : > Please tell me you're referring to Warren Zevon here and I'm not alone in
> : > the world?
>
> : Lynyrd Skynyrd. Altho Zevon referenced them in his
> : song "Play It All Night Long".
>
> I've heard that Zevons was an answer to Skynyrd's which was an answer to
> Young's Alabama. What a tangled web of musical bitterness we weave.
Yeah, old Neil started the whole thing. But Neil said
that Skynyrd was one of his favorite bands. Even after
they slammed him. "Well, I hope Neil Young will remember
A Southern man don't need him around anyhow". I personally
like/liked (RIP to most of Skynyrd) the whole lot of 'em.
> Let's not cheap out here Kev. This is one of my all time fave songs after all
> (and one I play very badly while drunk).
Ah, and it's a grand drunk tune.
> Play It All Night Long - Warren Zevon (as best as I can remember the lyrics)
They look right to me Bren. Zevon is an altogether
different creature, ain't he? I used to listen to
him all the time. Great lyricist.
{snippage of lyrics}
> To get vaguely on topic I have heard Zevon may play Dublin in May sometime.
> If he does, I'll be there if I have to swim.
Yepper. He plays Dublin at the Olympia Theatre on May 22 and
then the Opera House in Belfast on the 23rd. And ya know the
damnest thing? I'm gonna be in Dublin on May 26 & 27! I'll
just miss him. I saw him 'bout 5 years ago. It was a shitty venue
but I had a good time nonetheless.
-Kev
kfuz...@tinet.ie
> "Sweet home Alabama"
I was kicked out of a band for playing that once during a reherasal. I
figured out the chords the night before and in front of my "alternative"
bandmates I bangged out the
Dat, da
Dat, da
Dah, da, dat da-de-dahhh
They told me to leave. Funny, they never had a problem with me playing
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Don't Fear the Reaper.
Anybody want to start a SCI Band? - Philo a drummer and he is keen for
it. Anybody else play anything?
Possible Names:
The SCI-chos
The Black Irish
The Sheela Na Giggers
(this is classic pub fantasy role playing at closing time. We will all
say good night to each other promising that this time "we are really
going to do it and book a rehersal room at the weekend". Then we all go
home and never talk about the idea ever again)
Bren Vaughan
: They look right to me Bren. Zevon is an altogether
: different creature, ain't he? I used to listen to
: him all the time. Great lyricist.
The best. My uncle used to make me listen to him when I was about 6. I have
no idea how that may have affected my mental state henceforth!
: Yepper. He plays Dublin at the Olympia Theatre on May 22 and
: then the Opera House in Belfast on the 23rd. And ya know the
: damnest thing? I'm gonna be in Dublin on May 26 & 27! I'll
: just miss him. I saw him 'bout 5 years ago. It was a shitty venue
: but I had a good time nonetheless.
I've never seen him. He was supposed to play near me here last year but pulled
out. I heard that uears ago he played a gig in Galway and the crowd gave him
a lot of trouble and he has never returned to Ireland. Dunno how true that
is though. Hopefully I'll be there on May 22nd, if I can make it at all.
bren
KateH
> Anybody want to start a SCI Band? - Philo a drummer and he is keen for
> it. Anybody else play anything?
>
> Possible Names:
> The SCI-chos
> The Black Irish
> The Sheela Na Giggers
>
> (this is classic pub fantasy role playing at closing time. We will all
> say good night to each other promising that this time "we are really
> going to do it and book a rehersal room at the weekend". Then we all go
> home and never talk about the idea ever again)
It's early for closing time, here. Actually it's early for opening time.
There was a Bren duo/duet at one point and talk of a band........but it
fizzled. I'll sing if you promise not to make me play the tambourine.
"Bucket Of Eels"
"The Ploinkers"
"Soup Wrastlers"
KateH
Bren Vaughan
: I'm sure dear it just made you an Excitable boy.
That's my excuse anyway. Except I've never met anybody called "Suzie".
Until now of course, just don't show Sutal your record collection.
: I saw him quite a few years ago here in a place where I used to see
: Delbert McClinton. I haven't a clue why they ever bothered with the
: venue, middle of nowhere, nowhere. It was a tres cool place though,
: small enough you really saw the show and a lot of good musicians
: stopped in. Free cocaine and speed back then as well. And liquor. It
: is difficult getting just the right mix. As I remember it I liked him
: quite a lot. I'm sure my judgement then was very sharp indeed.
Depending on the time frame, the drugs were probably from his personal stash.
I feel kinda cheated that I won't get to see him in his alcoholic drug induced
cynical best, but then again, maybe if he notices me he will be.
He is currently doing some gigs in the US. In fact he will be in Boston on the
night of March 3rd while I am in Philadelphia. So near and yet so far.
bren
Lisa Boucher
: Anybody want to start a SCI Band? - Philo a drummer and he is keen for
: it. Anybody else play anything?
Mostly fiddle, though I am trying to get my fella to build me an electric
solidbody five-string mandolin as his next project. I'm too poor to
afford a Mandoblaster, and custom instruments are always nice anyway.
Lisa Boucher
KateH
> That's what I was afraid of. And didn't Skynyrd reference Neil Young
themselves.
> I've heard that Zevons was an answer to Skynyrd's which was an answer to
> Young's Alabama. What a tangled web of musical bitterness we weave.
I saw Skynyrd and Neil Young in concert together, oh............. a little
while ago. :) Neil sang "Southern Man" as his last tune and then Skynard
started with "Sweet Home" and Neil got up and sang with them. Spiked
water-melons and half-naked hippies everywhere....what a day.
Kate(the crowd went wild)H
Kevin Dekan
Warren is lucky to be alive. I'm sure he'd tell you that.
He sure liked the booze & drugs. Him & Jackson Browne.
Cocaine in the morning coffee in the afternoon. Altho I
think it was more than coffee. I liked Jackson a lot in the
old days as well. Sentimental old fucker he was.
But you're right about Zevon. His writing was at it's best
when he was all fucked up. Remember this one? Had to be a
tough one for him to write...
Well, I'm gone to Detox Mansion
Way down on Last Breath Farm
I've been rakin' leaves with Liza
Me and Liz clean up the yard
Left my home in Music City
In the back of a limousine
Now I'm doin' my own laundry
And I'm getting those clothes clean
Growin' fond of Detox Mansion
And this quiet life I lead
But I'm dying to tell my story
For all my friends to read
Well, it's tough to be somebody
And it's hard not to fall apart
Up here on Rehab Mountain
We gonna learn these things by heart
Well, I'm gone to Detox Mansion
Way down on Last Breath Farm
I've been rakin' leaves with Liza
Me and Liz clean up the yard
What goes on in Detox Mansion
Outside the rubber room
We get therapy and lectures
We play golf in the afternoon
Well, it's tough to be somebody
And it's hard not to fall apart
Up here on Rehab Mountain
We gonna learn these things by heart
[I guess he did]
-Kevin
Séimí mac Liam
jake wrote in message <01umasc4cscnnqs03...@4ax.com>...
>
>Count me in for the tambourine. I've always had a thing for the
>percussion section. :)
>
I will not take the easy shot. I will not take the easy shot.
The hell I won't. Banging's your thing, then?
Snowwhite
KateH <hock...@innw.nospam.net> wrote in article
<salitna...@corp.supernews.com>...
> <kfuz...@tinet.ie> wrote ...
> > Anybody want to start a SCI Band? - Philo a drummer and he is keen for
> > it. Anybody else play anything?
> >
> > Possible Names:
> > The SCI-chos
> > The Black Irish
> > The Sheela Na Giggers
> >
> > (this is classic pub fantasy role playing at closing time. We will all
> > say good night to each other promising that this time "we are really
> > going to do it and book a rehersal room at the weekend". Then we all go
> > home and never talk about the idea ever again)
>
> It's early for closing time, here. Actually it's early for opening time.
> There was a Bren duo/duet at one point and talk of a band........but it
> fizzled. I'll sing if you promise not to make me play the tambourine.
> "Bucket Of Eels"
> "The Ploinkers"
> "Soup Wrastlers"
> KateH
I might be interested if ya need a bassist.
SW
Albertus Magnus's Cat
ra...@iol.ie wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Feb 2000 09:01:28 GMT, Albertus Magnus's Cat
> <mango...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> Snip
> >> >>>And Bobby Sands' diet book and talk-show appearances.... no
thanks!
> >> >>
> >> >>That was a pretty sick thing to say...
> >> >>
> >> >>Ray
> >> >
> >> >Pot...Kettle....Black.
> >>
> >> When did I say anything to compare then?
> >>
> >> Ray
> >
> >You were ranting about bombs going off in England, in fact, the whole
> >history of your posts on SCI shows a hatred and bigotry towards
anything
> >remotely British bordering on fanaticism.
>
> If I was on a war history group I'd be "ranting" about the battle of
Britain
> or the Battle of the Bulge or the Russian front... What's your point?
>
> Ray
That you're a hypocrite.
Regards,
Dave
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Before you buy.
Bren Vaughan
: On 16 Feb 2000 20:37:52 GMT, bvau...@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Bren Vaughan)
: wrote:
: >Depending on the time frame, the drugs were probably from his personal stash.
: Shit I dinna even notice if he was doing drugs.
Must've been good shit then.
bren
Bren Vaughan
: Warren is lucky to be alive. I'm sure he'd tell you that.
: He sure liked the booze & drugs. Him & Jackson Browne.
: Cocaine in the morning coffee in the afternoon. Altho I
: think it was more than coffee. I liked Jackson a lot in the
: old days as well. Sentimental old fucker he was.
I bought a boxed set of his with a little booklet which explains
the background to a lot of his songs. Very interesting stuff. He just
gets a throwaway comment from someone and off he goes. The thing about
Zevon is that he is one of these guys who isn't greatly known in the
mainstram, but has played with everybody in the business.
: But you're right about Zevon. His writing was at it's best
: when he was all fucked up. Remember this one? Had to be a
: tough one for him to write...
Great song. I liked Sentimental Hygiene a lot. And he does write fucked
up very well. If I was to be asked to point out a world weary been there
done that guy, I'd point to him.
OK, I'm gonna quote one last song cos (a) it's one of my fave and live
on Learning to Flinch is amazing and (b) it's the only song of his which
I can think off which mentions Ireland.
bren
Roland The Headless Thompson Gunner
Written By Warren Zevon & David Lindell c. 1976 Zevon Music/BMI
Roland was a warrior from the Land of the Midnight Sun
With a Thompson gun for hire, fighting to be done
The deal was made in Denmark on a dark and stormy day
So he set out for Biafra to join the bloody fray
Through sixty-six and seven they fought the Congo war
With their fingers on their triggers, knee-deep in gore
For days and nights they battled the Bantu to their knees
They killed to earn their living and to help out the Congolese
Roland the Thompson gunner...
His comrades fought beside him - Van Owen and the rest
But of all the Thompson gunners, Roland was the best
So the CIA decided they wanted Roland dead
That son-of-a-bitch Van Owen blew off Roland's head
Roland the headless Thompson gunner
Norway's bravest son
Time, time, time
For another peaceful war
But time stands still for Roland
'Til he evens up the score
They can still see his headless body stalking through the night
In the muzzle flash of Roland's Thompson gun
In the muzzle flash of Roland's Thompson gun
Roland searched the continent for the man who'd done him in
He found him in Mombassa in a barroom drinking gin
Roland aimed his Thompson gun - he didn't say a word
But he blew Van Owen's body from there to Johannesburg
Roland the headless Thompson gunner...
The eternal Thompson gunner
still wandering through the night
Now it's ten years later but he still keeps up the fight
In Ireland, in Lebanon, in Palestine and Berkeley
Patty Hearst heard the burst of Roland's Thompson gun and bought it
Séimí mac Liam
jake wrote in message ...
>On Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:48:59 -0800, "Séimí mac Liam"
><gwy...@aracnet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>jake wrote in message
<01umasc4cscnnqs03...@4ax.com>...
>>>
>>>Count me in for the tambourine. I've always had a thing for the
>>>percussion section. :)
>>>
>>I will not take the easy shot. I will not take the easy shot.
>>
>>
>>The hell I won't. Banging's your thing, then?
>
>
Let's keep this topical. Take the little janggly bits off and tell
them it's a bodhran.
Mik Gilmore
Great story Kate.
Gawd dang, I wish I was 19 in 1969, instead of an ol' twinkle in me
daddy's eye.
Off to check out Arlo's set at Woodstock, on de auld video.
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Gerry Doyle
Bren Vaughan <bvau...@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:88b7uc$6hh$2...@niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk...
> Mik Gilmore (lotu...@eircom.net) wrote:
> : Derek Bell <db...@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> heeft geschreven in bericht:
>
> : >WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> : >: Is there any rebel song you like?
> : >
> : > No.
> : >
> : > Derek
>
>
> Please tell me you're referring to Warren Zevon here and I'm not alone in
> the world?
Was it not in 'Werewolves of London' that he used that 'alabama' riff?
G
Bren Vaughan
: Was it not in 'Werewolves of London' that he used that 'alabama' riff?
T'was very similar. In fact in drunken times gone by me and me big brother
used to play a sort of hybrid monstrosity of the two.
Christ the things I've done I wish I could forget....
bren