Condi: I didn't authorize anything . . .
lo yeeOn
Maybe we should make her squeal a little more and then she would get
desperate (to protect her dehind) and say:
The President made me do it. I was just being a good soldier for the
Commander-in-Chief . . .
When she did that, we would then impeach the Liar-in-Chief who lied
about everything to promote his war agenda.
And a good quote from the comments below:
Joseph A. Palermo on Torture:
"It's Perfectly Legal -- But We Don't Do It"
All of the torturers from the world's worst, most brutal regimes
can now rise up and proclaim their solidarity with the United
States: "We Are All Americans Now!"
lo yeeOn
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Cenk Uygur: Condi Rice Pulls A Nixon: When the President Does It, That
Means It is Not Illegal
The Huffington PostApril 30, 2009
Cenk Uygur
Posted April 30, 2009 | 01:45 PM (EST)
Condi Rice Pulls A Nixon: When the President Does It, That Means It is
Not Illegal
Condoleezza Rice was recently speaking at Stanford when students asked
her an excellent question on waterboarding and torture. They have her
answer on tape and it isn't pretty. Condi Rice absolutely pulls a
Nixon.
Here are the relevant quotes:
"The president instructed us that nothing we would do would be
outside of our obligations, legal obligations under the Convention
Against Torture."
Nothing we would do? Nothing? As I ask in the video above, what would
happen if the president authorized you to murder someone, would it
still not be illegal?
Next up, Condoleezza Rice denies any personal responsibility:
"I didn't authorize anything. I conveyed the authorization of the
administration to the agency, that they had policy authorization,
subject to the Justice Department's clearance. That's what I did."
Oh I see, she just conveyed the authorization. And how is that
different than giving the authorization?
By the way, lest we forget she "conveyed" the authorization for
waterboarding, which has been considered torture and illegal under any
and all treaties and laws of the United States. That is exactly why
this is a legal hot potato that no one wants to get stuck holding at
the end of the day. Here she pushes the blame on to two different
entities - President Bush and the Justice Department.
Now, the final coup de grace - once the president authorized it, it
became legal:
"The United States was told, we were told, nothing that violates our
obligations under the Convention Against Torture, and so by
definition, if it was authorized by the president, it did not
violate our obligations under the Convention Against Torture."
(emphasis added)
That is as close as you can get to Richard Nixon's infamous comment,
"When the president does it, that means it is not illegal."
This is why I say these people don't understand the whole concept
behind America. In our system of government, the president is not
supposed to be above the law. He is not a king; his word is not the
law. The president can violate the law and when he does, he is supposed
to be held accountable. That is supposed to be one of the pillars of
our democracy.
Look at what she said: "[B]y definition, if it was authorized by the
president, it did not violate our obligations under the Convention
Against Torture." Does that mean the president can authorize any kind
of torture under the Convention Against Torture?
If someone doesn't do something about this dangerous idea it will do
more damage than the torture itself. Yes, the torture damaged our
reputation across the world, helped terrorists recruit fighters against
us, endangered our soldiers and sullied the name of America. But if
this precedent - that the president can authorize anything and make it
legal "by definition" - is allowed to stand, then our whole form of
government is in jeopardy.
A violation of the law is, of course, a big deal, especially on
something this grave and important. This is not a jaywalking ticket.
There were 34 suspected or confirmed homicides of detainees, some
clearly due to torture. It does not get any more serious than this. But
what is even worse is if you set the precedent that violations of the
law like this will not have any consequences. That is bigger than the
crime itself.
The precedent does more damage than the law breaking because it sets
the new boundaries and rules for our government. It confirms what Rice
and Nixon argue for: When the president does it, that means it is not
illegal.
Allowing that idea to stand unchallenged does far more damage to the
republic than any one crime committed by any one person (or the
prosecution thereof), even if that person is the president.
Watch The Young Turks Here
UPDATE -- The Stanford student who taped this, Reyna Garcia, will join
us for an interview on our show tonight at 7:20PM ET. One small upside
for those of us who think that the people who "conveyed" the
authorization for torture should be held responsible is that hopefully
they'll be showered by questions like these wherever they go for the
rest of their lives. The infamy has begun for them.
* Richard Nixon
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These remarks appear to be sugar coated and very confusing.They may
allude to Nixon's comment, but do folks buy into Condi Rice's remarks?
What was she really defining? that " By definition - what president
Bush,et al (ordered) she (only) conveyed . Did this mean " reference to
any acts of TORTURE that may have been used, became legal,as ordered
and conveyed, as okay, whether in violation or not? Or was she defining
what is meant by Torture? Would not any conveyed messages be treated as
the Ordered message? It is not stated whether either, the Order
persons,or the conveyee person, actually knew the outcome of the act or
the message. Are they going to do any investigating to see what the
outcomes really are. I enjoy the game of Clue, and I am interested in
how to arrive at results and outcomes as discovered by the stimulating
parameters.
Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 04/30/2009
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Wow, that's one guilty woman--
Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 04/30/2009
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... no comment this time. Just a question:
There are so many public statements being made by those who were in the
chain of command about the use of water boarding... could these
statements be used as evidence in a court?
Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 04/30/2009
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I think ol' clueless condi forgot that Bush IS NOT president
anymore...which means the neocons won't be there to protect her if/when
she gets arrested.
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WTF
Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 04/30/2009
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Possibly serious crimes undermining the way in which our government is
supposed to operate under the constitution have been committed by
members of the last administration. the policies of that administration
arguably created or greatly contributed to crises that the next must
deal with. Because of these crises we will be torn to pieces allegedly
if we investigate those possible crimes when we cannot afford to be so
torn. I just wonder when will serious violations (if there were any) by
an administration be punished. they werent with Nixon. Iran contra--
maybe just a few fall guys got slapped. Now with Bush. How do we intend
to discourage future crimes if we never pursue them? How do we intend
to enforce the constitution?
Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 04/30/2009
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But GB said we don't torture!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 04/30/2009
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Rice never deserved the job. Her *cough* "expertise" was supposedly
Cold War Russia. Education not withstanding, she was waaay out of her
league and did the country a disfavor by even accepting the position.
Not quite as blatant as Palin's attempt at fame, but just as dangerous
if not moreso. Rice then proceeded to bluff her way thru it by simply
mimicking administration blather. She should be standing in line with
Buch, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of that disgusting administration
before the Hague for war crimes. Let's strip 'em ALL naked and stack
'em in a pyramid for a photo op afterwards.
Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 04/30/2009
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I am surprised she's even invited to speak. Like Bush she will soon be
forgotten.
Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 04/30/2009
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And, as Ed Schultz said on his show tonight that the President handled
the question of torture beautifully at his press conference. Obama said
he will not allow torture and that it was a mistake. In turn, leaving
it to Holder and the rule of the law. Can you imagine if he would have
said "Waterboarding is wrong and they should be tried". He would have
been doing a "Bush". He wasn't going to go there. Very smart. And, then
Condi comes out with stating that "Bush" approved it and that means
it's "legal". Heh. Wondering if Condi will be invited to anymore Bush
barbeque's on the ranch after this?
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Surprised by the article.... nope, Condi thought George Bush was her
husband.... Nuff said!
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I still don't know how we let these people run our nation for 8 years
... the insanity that was brought to our door steps is sickening.
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Well, just remember that the first 4 years were not given to Bush by
'us'....that election was given to Duh-bya by his Floridian bro, Jeb.
The next 4 years was given to Duh-bya via the electoral
college...not...the popular vote.
So, the system opened up a big gaping hole and the entire country fell
into it, thus allowing the Bush/Cheney reign of evil to happen.
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Cenk,
they are only in tremendous legal trouble if someone has the balz to
push the issue. So far that hasn't happened. Much to our national
embarrassment.
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Funny how GW thought that history would judge him after he's dead.
Well, the people will judge you now and maybe history soon after.
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Nola-
As you obviously there was no doubt as to the complete incompetence of
this administration unveiled by Hurricane Katrina....While Condi was
shopping in NYC for shoes bodies were floating in the streets of New
Orleans....her monthly flights to Israel to hold talks solely with
Israel was the biggest waste of US taxpayer money along with the worst
foreign policy decision in US history...of course Iraq....
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Don't hold your breath. Here's an excerpt from ABC News dated 4/23. I
realize he works for the waffler-in-chief so I won't hold my breath
either.
"As lawmakers call for hearings and debate brews over forming
commissions to examine the Bush administration's policies on harsh
interrogation techniques, Attorney General Eric Holder confirmed to a
House panel that intelligence officials who relied on legal advice from
the Bush-era Justice Department would not be prosecuted."
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