Saddam & Bombing
PJK
Mary E Knadler wrote:
>
> Another excuse to kill Arabs. When will it ever stop. Why
> can't they realize the Gulf war is over. We killed a lot
> more people than they did.
That's how you win a war, lady. And it didn't go far enough! Sadman
Insane immediately proceeded to try to annhilate the Kurds, and we
looked the other way. Now, heeeeee's back. Bush blew it by not
invading Baghdad to get the son-of-bitch out once and for all. If the
Iraqis won't do it, they support his policies and deserve what they get.
Life's a struggle and if you lie down and take what comes, you're going
to get screwed.
> This doesn't have to keep on every few months. We should
> lift the sanctions & forget it. period
You must have studied under Neville Chamberlain, the limp-wristed
British PM that wanted to try to appease Hitler. The only actions a
bully understands are those of force. If you think the Sadman is a
decent human being you are truly ignorant, and if you think the most
powerful nation on the planet should walk away from this dispute you are
a coward and a fool. If the UN won't support us, the Congress should
declare war on Iraq and attack the bastard. Once we've kicked his ass
to hell, we recover our cost through oil reparations.
>
> No more phoney games & stories for an excuse to kill!
> Killing is wrong.
>
Only to those who feel superior to the rest of us animals. Taken any
biology or natural history classes, lady? No matter how you try to
slice it, we are vicious, ferocious creatures who happen to have the
power to reason. I use my power to get along with socially minded
people, but I use my viciousness to attack those who would hurt me. The
only cheek turning I do is to allow me to side-kick my attackers into
the next county. You are a parasite that hangs on to and insults those
willing to defend the society. Visit your nearest high bridge or
building and take a leap of faith. Try not to hit anyone below.
Mary E Knadler
In <69g89a$583$1...@coward.cc.utah.edu> "Brandon Burt"
<Brando...@m.cc.utah.edu> writes:
>
>Ah, the Weekly World News ... ya gotta love this cutline:
>
>"With Hammell's arm behind his back, Hussein escorts his
>personal scud stud to an undisclosed location, where The
>Mother of all Gay Encounters is about to begin."
>
There is nothing amusing in bombing & killing innocent Arab
women & children. Clinton has come up with a new & phoney
story tonight with this Ritter guy with some phoney memo.
Another excuse to kill Arabs. When will it ever stop. Why
can't they realize the Gulf war is over. We killed alot
more people than they did.
This doesn't have to keep on every few months. We should
lift the sanctions & forget it. period
No more phoney games & stories for an excuse to kill!
Killing is wrong.
yasmin2
Darren G. Sarvis
Sad that people like PJK have so much idiot ignorance. He sits in front
of the TV every night and believes everything he sees. Probably reads
Foreign Affairs and thinks he is intelligent because of it.
In one sentence PJK says:
> The only actions a
> bully understands are those of force. If you think the Sadman is a
> decent human being you are truly ignorant, and if you think the most
> powerful nation on the planet should walk away from this dispute you are
> a coward and a fool.
And then in closing he says to Mary:
> You are a parasite that hangs on to and insults those
> willing to defend the society. Visit your nearest high bridge or
> building and take a leap of faith. Try not to hit anyone below.
Not only some severe instability but what a wonderful case of double
standards.
The Gulf war involved massive amount of propaganda by the United States
government so the Americans would endorse it. There is still much
propaganda being used. I'm not saying Saddam is a nice man and that I'd
want him my uncle but I would not want those at the United Nations,
Colin Powell or George Bush to be my uncle either.
It is evident in my opinion that PJK is very unaware of the forces at
work in the Middle East. If he thinks the United Nations did/does not
have very specific goals along with big oil interests, he is fooling
himself.
The scary thing is if you elevated someone like PJK to position of power
of a country he'd be the next Hitler especially if another country or
person did not agree with his agenda. Sort of like what the U.N. does
with the U.S.A. right behind it for so called peace and security.
Mary had every right to express a most logical opinion and did not
deserve some thug like PJK to come in and wield personal attacks against
her and suggesting she should jump off a bridge.
/s/: Darren G. Sarvis
PJK wrote:
>
> Mary E Knadler wrote:
> >
> > Another excuse to kill Arabs. When will it ever stop. Why
> > can't they realize the Gulf war is over. We killed a lot
> > more people than they did.
>
> That's how you win a war, lady. And it didn't go far enough! Sadman
> Insane immediately proceeded to try to annhilate the Kurds, and we
> looked the other way. Now, heeeeee's back. Bush blew it by not
> invading Baghdad to get the son-of-bitch out once and for all. If the
> Iraqis won't do it, they support his policies and deserve what they get.
> Life's a struggle and if you lie down and take what comes, you're going
> to get screwed.
>
> > This doesn't have to keep on every few months. We should
> > lift the sanctions & forget it. period
>
> You must have studied under Neville Chamberlain, the limp-wristed
> British PM that wanted to try to appease Hitler. The only actions a
> bully understands are those of force. If you think the Sadman is a
> decent human being you are truly ignorant, and if you think the most
> powerful nation on the planet should walk away from this dispute you are
> a coward and a fool. If the UN won't support us, the Congress should
> declare war on Iraq and attack the bastard. Once we've kicked his ass
> to hell, we recover our cost through oil reparations.
> >
> > No more phoney games & stories for an excuse to kill!
> > Killing is wrong.
> >
>
Mary E Knadler
children & blowing up peoples homes. How can you defend them?
Palestinians are people too & deserve a homeland. Do you have a
problem with that?
Or are you to biased to considered anyone else but yourself?
yasmin2
Mary E Knadler
In <oplnwjr...@remus.cs.uml.edu> Andrew Hall
<ah...@remus.cs.uml.edu> writes:
>
>>>>>> PJK writes:
>
> PJK> Mary E Knadler wrote:
> >>
> >> Another excuse to kill Arabs. When will it ever stop. Why
> >> can't they realize the Gulf war is over. We killed a lot
> >> more people than they did.
>
Sadman
> PJK> Insane immediately proceeded to try to annhilate the Kurds,
and we
> PJK> looked the other way. Now, heeeeee's back. Bush blew it by
not
> PJK> invading Baghdad to get the son-of-bitch out once and for all.
If the
>
>I doubt that going to Baghdad would have been necessary.
>Just letting the tank battle with the Republican Guard finish
>would probably have done it. But I do not think Bush wanted
>to topple Saddam. Saddam was too handy for his ability to
>repress and murder the Shiites and Kurds.
>
> PJK> Iraqis won't do it, they support his policies and deserve what
they get.
>
>What evidence do you have that they support him?
>Not trying suicide missions to kill him?
>
>ah
>(Now reading Usenet in talk.politics.misc...)
How do you know that they do NOT like him? Just because
you & Israel cannot stand any strong Arab leader the Arab
people may want that.
yasmin2
Darren G. Sarvis
What both concerns and scares me about United States foreign policy is
we ~seem~ to have more enemies out there than friends. We may have
contributed to certain positive geopolitical stability but what
strategic cost has that presented especially related to terrorism
against Americans abroad and domestically?
There are lots of arabs out there and I doubt too many of them come
close to caring whether United States drops into the sea BECAUSE over
the years we have ~CREATED~ the perception that we are the big thug or
sort of like that big kid in school who beat up on everyone.
The Gulf war when Bush was in office as well as what only can appear as
an emerging conflict again, concerns me greatly that the strategic
rewards are not sufficient for exposing not only American troops to
further bloodshed, but why continue to shoot at arabs who will one day
dispatch terrorists once again to this country.
Will the United States government accept responsibility for a domestic
attack on many innocent Americans here because they insist on furthering
the goals of the United Nations and in my opinion, perhaps the oil
interests in that region.
Maybe I'm simplifying this too much but sometimes that is the clearest
way to make sense out of something as complicated as our foreign policy.
I tend not to believe any of the news presented to me regarding weapons
violations and so called testing chemical weapons on their own prisoners
by Iraq. How about the evidence that United States has created and
sponsored the drug war here? How about the admission by our government
that they tested in very cruel ways on blacks many years ago?
Why do we have to be the world cop? What do we gain and do those gains
offset the long term cost of such a policy?
Darren G. Sarvis
Amthal
A very nice reply dear "PJK"!
I have to tell all those supporting "saddam insane" that they should blame
HIM - not the international community - for what's going on inside Iraq now.
And it is nothing new that the regime in Iraq is a mafia-like group of
uneducated, respectless and animal-like cowards who would drive the world to
the edge of disaster as they have driven their own country already many
times to catastrophe. Unfortunately, Western (and also Eastern) countries
have supported the "butcher of Bagdad" (saddam insane) heavily during the
a970s and the 1980s. But this is not an excuse for his supporters to lift
the sanctions and make saddam even stronger. It is an obilgation to make him
and his whole regime object to judicial prosecution and punishment.
At the end I would like to remind the supporters of saddam that his power
inside Iraq is primarily based on their work, their money, their obediance
to him and on their lack of civil courage to protect the oppressed, the
tortured and the families of the killed under saddams rule. It is his
supporters who have supported the destruction of Iraqi society and its
cultures.
Now, they feel being betrayed by THEIR saddam because only now they feel the
disaster they made. Now, THEIR saddam may punish them severely.
Amthal.
S. Hart
On 14 Jan 1998 22:57:17 GMT, yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
wrote:
>How do you know that they do NOT like him? Just because
>you & Israel cannot stand any strong Arab leader the Arab
>people may want that.
You just made the other guy's point. They support a tyrant who menaces
his neighbors - therefore there's nothing immoral about killing as
many of them in the process of killing him as we have to. Like he said
- that's the way war works.
Mary E Knadler
In <34c658e8....@news.primary.net> ha...@primary.net (S. Hart)
writes:
Why do we have to kill them? They are not a threat to
a huge country like the US. He is not bothering anyone.
We keep bothering him. We keep insisting on starving
them & keep their children from getting medicine.
yasmin2
A. Marashi
Insane Husein is still in power in Iraq. If they could get rid of him,
they would. But unfortunately, all opposition has been wiped out. This
is a Frankenstein we created, therefore we should destroy. My heart
goes out to the lovely Iraqi citizens stuck in the death grip of this
World Class Madman. Unless we supply Iraqi opposition groups with
weaponry so they can have a fighting chance in deposing him, we should
just go in there and put him out of business for good. Once and for
all. The Iraqi people, men and women, Arabs and Kurds, want the same
thing that us Americans want: A free Iraq, a safe place to raise their
children, a future, e.t.c. It is obvious to everyone, that a cowardly
and half-hearted action by George Bush has left the world vulnurable to
the continued destabilizing effects of that "Sadman Insane". I know
what I'm talking about, I was born in Iraq. Everyone with my last name
has been executed, tortured, or expelled from Iraq. But I know, some
day, that country will be free. I hope we have a hand in it, it will be
a great day in History when Babylonia is free.
Doug Dexter
> What both concerns and scares me about United States foreign policy is
> we ~seem~ to have more enemies out there than friends. We may have
> contributed to certain positive geopolitical stability but what
> strategic cost has that presented especially related to terrorism
> against Americans abroad and domestically?
Can't argue with you much there. However, you have to look at who our
friends are, and who aren't. The Brits and French with the U.S. have the
three most advanced Military's in the world. Well, I suppose Russia is
pretty good, but I doubt they could gather their forces to apply a decent
strike.
> There are lots of arabs out there and I doubt too many of them come
> close to caring whether United States drops into the sea BECAUSE over
> the years we have ~CREATED~ the perception that we are the big thug or
> sort of like that big kid in school who beat up on everyone.
How much of it is our fault? We are the most powerful country on the
planet. That in itself will automatically make some people dislike us. In
the Arab nations, how big a part does propaganda by their governments play?
Politics, a very nasty business.
> The Gulf war when Bush was in office as well as what only can appear as
> an emerging conflict again, concerns me greatly that the strategic
> rewards are not sufficient for exposing not only American troops to
> further bloodshed, but why continue to shoot at arabs who will one day
> dispatch terrorists once again to this country.
Regardless of whether Saddam is insane, it is highly probable that he has
weapons of mass destruction. He admitted it until we started looking for
them. If terrorist begin attacking the U.S. (or more likely the European
countries), do you want them attacking with pipe bombs or Biological
Weapons. I think we can agree, the attacks are going to take place
eventually, nothing can stop that at this point because the Arab countries
dislike the U.N. so much. The U.S. does get singled out a lot, but again,
how much of that is because of the simple fact that the U.S. is the most
powerful.
> Will the United States government accept responsibility for a domestic
> attack on many innocent Americans here because they insist on furthering
> the goals of the United Nations and in my opinion, perhaps the oil
> interests in that region.
If a terrorist takes 10 people hostage and wants $10 million or he'll kill
them all, do you give it to him? Is a human life worth that much, DAMN
STRAIGHT IT IS. But next week another one takes 10 people hostage, he gets
$20 Million, next week 50 terrorist take 500 people hostage. Were does it
end? You cannot allow terrorist to run the world like that. You cannot
give in. I place a high value on human life, especially my own. Terrorism
cannot go unchecked.
> Maybe I'm simplifying this too much but sometimes that is the clearest
> way to make sense out of something as complicated as our foreign policy.
Sure, simplifying makes things easier to work with. Unfortunately it also
means that you aren't taking everything into consideration and are probably
missing important issues.
> I tend not to believe any of the news presented to me regarding weapons
> violations and so called testing chemical weapons on their own prisoners
> by Iraq. How about the evidence that United States has created and
> sponsored the drug war here? How about the admission by our government
> that they tested in very cruel ways on blacks many years ago?
I agree, and hey, it's not a perfect world. Lame reply? Maybe. The U.S.
certainly has had problems, has problems and will always have problems. I
just don't think the world will ever be as lovely as Star Trek. If Saddam
is testing Biological Weapons on prisoner's, yes, that's bad. But the big
picture is the weapons themselves and what they could do to the world
population (Arab countries as well).
> Why do we have to be the world cop? What do we gain and do those gains
> offset the long term cost of such a policy?
Some would argue that we must be because we can. Other nations call us
self centered, egotistical bullies. Well, I feel the same way when I get
busted for speeding, or when I got a ticket for having a headlight burned
out. It is because we are NOT self centered that we are a world police
force. Being the most powerful nation in the world, with the most food,
money and all of the best things in life, perhaps it is our responsibility
to try to help those less fortunate.
>
> Darren G. Sarvis
>
Darren, you pose some very good questions that can be easily argued either
way. I jump the fence back and forth occasionally myself. One thing I
must keep reminding myself is that policing the world is highly political
and thus very dangerous. The men and women leading this battle are human
beings just like you and me. They are not perfect and do some pretty
stupid things from time to time, but they are TRYING as best they can.
Mary E Knadler
In <69iktk$7uf$1...@news01.btx.dtag.de> amt...@t-online.de (Amthal)
writes:
All the baby killers & the torturers of prisorns types.
And you say the Arabs are cruel & blah. blah,blah.
Let them have their freedom. That is the what the
Palestinians want & leave the Iraqis ALONE. They have
hurt no one. We did all the bombing & killing over
there. Lift the sanctions & give them a right to have
food & medicine.
They have not hurt your precious Israel at all. Just
leave the Arabs alone. Let them Live & stop tying to bomb
& kill them all the time
How disgusting can it get?
yasmin2
et th>
qut...@imap2.asu.edu
Mary E Knadler (yas...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: Why do we have to kill them? They are not a threat to
: a huge country like the US. He is not bothering anyone.
: We keep bothering him. We keep insisting on starving
: them & keep their children from getting medicine.
: yasmin2
Yasmin you are so ignorant about the problems in the arab world and with
saddam !!! Its amazing that you say "he is not bothering anyone" !!! I
find it very strange to hear such thing from a person who shows herself as
a peace loveing person. Saddam has invaded & killed his & others people
!! how can you say he is not bothering anyone ??? at least his is
bothering his own people. He & his regime are the main reason for the
suffering of the ordinary Iraqi (before & after the gulf war). Iraqis
didn't exactly live in luxury before the two gulf wars !! why there are
millions of Iraqis living outside their country away from their beloved
counrty ??? isn't this a big hint for you and people who are ignornt like
you about the situation in Iraq (before & after the gulf wars) ????
Its amazing that most of the people who support saddam & his regime are
not Iraqis !!! or don't live under his rule !! and its clearly because
they don't know what it feels to live under this man's rule !!!
So before you start blaiming others for the suffering of the ordinary
Iraqi, try to look at the real reason and how they have lived for years
under such regimes.
BTW the UN resolutions allow Iraq to buy food & medicine, and its the
Iraqi governemnt who decided not to buy, but rather spend it on building
palaces for their beloved arab hero !!! saddam.
--
Qutaiba Razouqi -------...@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu----------------------
"If patience is a virtue, and ignorance is bliss, |
you can have a pretty good life |
if you're stupid and willing to wait" |
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Doug Dexter
> Let them have their freedom. That is the what the
> Palestinians want & leave the Iraqis ALONE. They have
> hurt no one. We did all the bombing & killing over
> there. Lift the sanctions & give them a right to have
> food & medicine.
>
> They have not hurt your precious Israel at all. Just
> leave the Arabs alone. Let them Live & stop tying to bomb
> & kill them all the time
>
> How disgusting can it get?
>
> yasmin2
Are you talking about the same Iraq being run by Saddam?
The Iraq that invaded Kuwait when they thought nobody was looking?
The Iraq that had to retreat (run like bloody hell) back home because
Saddam had the delusion that his "army" could match the combined forces of
America, the British, French and a few others? The same Iraq that didn't
mind the inspections until they started running out of places to hide their
weapons of mass destruction?
That Iraq?
Salim Al-Azawi
What an Idiot
You are looking at this way to simply.
Let's see what has been going on
1. Saddam came to power about the same time Bush was the had of CIA
2. After the Gulf War Bush told the Iraqi people that they will get help if
they moved against Saddam. Once the people revolted (both in north and
south) Bush and the Evil Allies turned their back on the people.
3. If you want to overthrow a government you don't make the people go hungry
because when someone is hungry they think of only how to feed themselves and
their families. (Imagine your kids going hungry what would you be thinking
about day in day out).
4. Your simplifications show that you have no understanding of the region
whatsoever.
5. You can go to hell.
PJK wrote in message <34BC59...@pacbell.net>...
>Mary E Knadler wrote:
>>
>> Another excuse to kill Arabs. When will it ever stop. Why
>> can't they realize the Gulf war is over. We killed a lot
>> more people than they did.
end
Eric von Weasel
In article <69l9cc$3...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,
Mary E Knadler <yas...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
...
>Let them have their freedom. That is the what the
>Palestinians want & leave the Iraqis ALONE. They have
>hurt no one.
Given your cheerleading for the Contra butchers, it's not surprising that
you would overlook the suffering and deaths of Kuwaitis, Kurds, and others
who got in Sadaam's way.
...
>How disgusting can it get?
You reach new depths almost every day.
--
Quote of the Week: "American women are even worse [than prostitutes]
because they practice free sex just because they enjoy it." Rev. Sun
Myung Moon, who has been married three times and has defended sleeping
with many women in the 1950s by saying he needed to "purify them."
firefly
Marashi
. Why he not execute you? stop posting the garbage.
George
S. Hart
On 15 Jan 1998 04:58:00 GMT, yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
wrote:
>In <34c658e8....@news.primary.net> ha...@primary.net (S. Hart)
>writes:
>>
>>On 14 Jan 1998 22:57:17 GMT, yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>How do you know that they do NOT like him? Just because
>>>you & Israel cannot stand any strong Arab leader the Arab
>>>people may want that.
>>
>>You just made the other guy's point. They support a tyrant who menaces
>>his neighbors - therefore there's nothing immoral about killing as
>>many of them in the process of killing him as we have to. Like he said
>>- that's the way war works.
>
>
>Why do we have to kill them? They are not a threat to
>a huge country like the US.
Because we're Americans and that's what we do, dammit! If I'm gonna
pay all these taxes to support a military to the tune of $250 billion
a year (give or take a few billion - but what's a few billion between
friends?) then I want them to kill people. Lotsa people. Especially
people in third world countries who don't kiss our ass. We gave Saddam
a chance to kiss it (back in the good ole '80s - when we were giving
him billions of dollars 'cause he was our pet madman) and he didn't
kiss it good enough (or maybe the Kuwaitis kissed it better - I'm not
sure.) We simply can't allow that to continue. Pretty soon all the
other third world countries might get ideas and decide they don't have
to kiss our ass anymore either. Next thing you know, the world is in
chaos. Is that what you want? What are you, some kinda pinko commie?
S. Hart
On 15 Jan 1998 15:18:36 GMT, yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
wrote:
>Oh. and Israel is run by a bunch of "sanits".
Israel is a democracy. Name another country in the middle-east that
shares that distinction.
>Is that it?
>All the baby killers & the torturers of prisorns types.
>And you say the Arabs are cruel & blah. blah,blah.
Go live in an Arab country (like Iran) for awhile, Mary. Then come
back and tell us how much you love the Arabs.
>Let them have their freedom. That is the what the
>Palestinians want
They make that very clear every time they blow up a bunch of
civilians. Don't worry, maybe some will visit the place you live and
you'll get to meet them up-close-and-personal.
> & leave the Iraqis ALONE. They have
>hurt no one.
Really? Where do you get your facts?
>We did all the bombing & killing over
>there. Lift the sanctions & give them a right to have
>food & medicine.
They have the right to sell oil for food and medicine already. If that
food and medicine doesn't make it to the people of Iraq maybe they
should get a new leader.
>They have not hurt your precious Israel at all. Just
>leave the Arabs alone. Let them Live & stop tying to bomb
>& kill them all the time
I realize you hate Israel. But why do you support Saddam? How do you
reconcile your love of the Arabs with the fact that Saddam invaded a
fellow-Arab nation - twice. Does it bother you that he murders Shiites
by the truckload? How about when he uses his people as human shields?
Just wondering....
Gary
Yasmin2 is a well known bigot and anti-semite. She lets her hate for
Israel contaminate her opinions about Iraq and the thug in power.
You should feel sorry for her. She knows not what she talks about.
Gary
>>
>>
>Oh. and Israel is run by a bunch of "sanits". Is that it?
>All the baby killers & the torturers of prisorns types.
>And you say the Arabs are cruel & blah. blah,blah.
Is this the same argument you critcize when a Clinton supporter
breings up that other people have done the same things he has?
>Let them have their freedom. That is the what the
>Palestinians want & leave the Iraqis ALONE. They have
>hurt no one. We did all the bombing & killing over
>there. Lift the sanctions & give them a right to have
>food & medicine.
>
>They have not hurt your precious Israel at all. Just
>leave the Arabs alone. Let them Live & stop tying to bomb
>& kill them all the time
>
>How disgusting can it get?
>
> yasmin2
>
> et th>
>
Everytime you post you prove yourself to be a racist and anti-semite.
Mary E Knadler
In <opbtxdr...@remus.cs.uml.edu> Andrew Hall
<ah...@remus.cs.uml.edu> writes:
>
>>>>>> Mary E Knadler writes:
>y
> Mary> In <oplnwjr...@remus.cs.uml.edu> Andrew Hall
> >> ah...@remus.cs.uml.edu> writes:
> >>
> >>>>>>> PJK writes:
> >>
> PJK> Mary E Knadler wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Another excuse to kill Arabs. When will it ever stop. Why
> >> >> can't they realize the Gulf war is over. We killed a lot
> >> >> more people than they did.
> >>
> PJK> Insane immediately proceeded to try to annhilate the Kurds,
> PJK> looked the other way. Now, heeeeee's back. Bush blew it by
> PJK> invading Baghdad to get the son-of-bitch out once and for all.
> >>
> >> I doubt that going to Baghdad would have been necessary.
> >> Just letting the tank battle with the Republican Guard finish
> >> would probably have done it. But I do not think Bush wanted
> >> to topple Saddam. Saddam was too handy for his ability to
> >> repress and murder the Shiites and Kurds.
> >>
> PJK> Iraqis won't do it, they support his policies and deserve what
> >>
> >> What evidence do you have that they support him?
> >> Not trying suicide missions to kill him?
> >>
> >> ah
> >> (Now reading Usenet in talk.politics.misc...)
>
>
> Mary> you & Israel cannot stand any strong Arab leader the Arab
> Mary> people may want that.
>
>I find it hard to believe that many of his people support
>him, as he is a murdering dictator that has used chemical weapons
>on his own people, enslaved 500k of them and used them as canon
>fodder, takes most of the wealth for himself and his cronies...
>
>Why do you like him so much? Does he remind you of the
>GOP? (For the record he does _not_ remind me of the GOP,
>just some of the folks Reagan sent money to).
>
>ah
>(Now reading Usenet in talk.politics.misc...)
He had done alot for the country until he was encouraged
by the Saudis, Kuwaitis & the US to stop the muslim
fundamentalists in Iran. After that long seige he wanted
to settle the score with the Kuwaitis who were stealing Iraqs
oil & we got all bent out of shape protecting the Emir &
the British private oil preserve of them known as
Kuwait.
We just hear all this evil stuff from the enemies of the
Arabs known as the Isralis & the Mossad.
yasmin2
CB
yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler) wrote:
>Oh. and Israel is run by a bunch of "sanits". Is that it?
>All the baby killers & the torturers of prisorns types.
>And you say the Arabs are cruel & blah. blah,blah.
>Let them have their freedom. That is the what the
>Palestinians want & leave the Iraqis ALONE. They have
>hurt no one. We did all the bombing & killing over
>there. Lift the sanctions & give them a right to have
>food & medicine.
>They have not hurt your precious Israel at all. Just
>leave the Arabs alone. Let them Live & stop tying to bomb
>& kill them all the time
>How disgusting can it get?
> yasmin2
> et th>
Ummm, if memory serves, is this angelic Saddam the same one who gassed
his own people (not to mention the Iranians) and rolled over a
neighboring Arab nation with his tanks? Nice neighbor. Is this some
kind of standard Arab greeting or something (perhaps just a standard
Iraqi greeting)?
<Rant mode on>
I think we should just bomb the shit out of his palaces periodically
to see if we can make him nervous. We might even get him one of these
days. Just lob them in randomly. He would be so busy covering his
tracks he might even become somewhat harmless. Oh, he
retaliates?....throw in a very big one (perhaps a glassification of
some remote 'palace' the first time).
<Rant mode off>
If he were elected I certainly would not say this, but since he's
not....(just another petty dictator who decided to try to go big
time), lets play with him.
<Reality mode on>
Ignore him, maybe he'll go away. play nicey, nicey...remove the trade
barriers, satisfy our allies. If he sticks his head up again and
bothers anyone outside his country...don't stop rolling until he's 'in
hand'. Make sure he understands this. Don't bother building some
kind of concensous next time, the concensous is the same mentality
that Chamberland (a 'peter principal' graduate from England) had
regarding Hitler.
CB
Mary E Knadler
> --
You just hear the propaganda from the people in this country
& Israel who want to get rid of him. You don't know anything
about him yourself.
I do not fall for all the stuff sent out by the Mossad & Israel.
They have always tried to bring down any strong leader in the Arab
world.
Israel has weapons of "mass destruction" & would use them too,
if they wanted to, & you know that is true.
I do not trust them one little bit for the truth!
yasmin2
Mary E Knadler
In <34c9aee9....@news.primary.net> ha...@primary.net (S. Hart)
writes:
>
>On 15 Jan 1998 15:18:36 GMT, yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
>wrote:
>
>
Oh. and Israel is run by a bunch of "saints".
Israel is a democracy. Name another country in the
middle-east that >shares that distinction.
>
All the baby killers & the torturers of prisors types.
>>And you say the Arabs are cruel & blah. blah,blah.
>
>Go live in an Arab country (like Iran) for awhile, Mary. Then come
>back and tell us how much you love the Arabs.
>
>>Let them have their freedom. That is the what the
>>Palestinians want
>
>They make that very clear every time they blow up a bunch of
>civilians. Don't worry, maybe some will visit the place you live and
>you'll get to meet them up-close-and-personal.
>
>> & leave the Iraqis ALONE. They have
>>hurt no one.
>
>Really? Where do you get your facts?
>
>>We did all the bombing & killing over
>>there. Lift the sanctions & give them a right to have
>>food & medicine.
>
>They have the right to sell oil for food and medicine already. If that
>food and medicine doesn't make it to the people of Iraq maybe they
>should get a new leader.
>
>>They have not hurt your precious Israel at all. Just
>>leave the Arabs alone. Let them Live & stop tying to bomb
>>& kill them all the time
>
>I realize you hate Israel. But why do you support Saddam? How do you
>reconcile your love of the Arabs with the fact that Saddam invaded a
>fellow-Arab nation - twice. Does it bother you that he murders Shiites
>by the truckload? How about when he uses his people as human shields?
>Just wondering....
>
>
First, Iranians are not arabs. They are "Persians". I
think he had a problem with Kuwait...they were stealing his
oil. They are really owned by the Brits (British Petroleum)
you know. That is their special preserve for oil & the Emir
& his family invest all their billions in Britain. So we
had to save them of course. They really should own that as the
Brits divided up the whole leaving that little area for
themselves. Imperialistic, I would say.
yasmin2
Charlie Ambrosi
yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler) spewed forth:
>I do not fall for all the stuff sent out by the Mossad & Israel.
>They have always tried to bring down any strong leader in the Arab
>world.
>
>Israel has weapons of "mass destruction" & would use them too,
>if they wanted to, & you know that is true.
>
>I do not trust them one little bit for the truth!
>
> yasmin2
What the hell's that rotton SMELL!!??.....
Oh...
Yeah....
It's anti-SEMITISM!
That's right.....I remember it from Nuremburg in '36.
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ric...@netcom.ca
Mary E Knadler wrote:
> >
> First, Iranians are not arabs. They are "Persians". I
> think he had a problem with Kuwait...they were stealing his
> oil. They are really owned by the Brits (British Petroleum)
> you know. That is their special preserve for oil & the Emir
> & his family invest all their billions in Britain. So we
> had to save them of course. They really should own that as the
> Brits divided up the whole leaving that little area for
> themselves. Imperialistic, I would say.
First of all, I can't believe you buy that "stealing oil" bulls**t.
Saddam needed a lame excuse to invade his neighbor, so he concocted yet
another pathetically transparent lie. I suppose you didn't mind the fact
that wile in Kuwait, the Iraqi soldiers (actually little more than
brutal hooligans with AK-47s) were routinely, day in and day out,
looting, raping, torturing, and murdering the Kuwaiti civilians, the
women and children. You think it's acceptable that the Iraqis would rape
a man's wife and daughter, force him to watch, then shoot him? You think
it's acceptable that the brutal Iraqi dictator was trying to grab onto
as much oil resources he could from a tiny neighbor, so that he could
solidify his grip on power? I don't think you realize how brutal Saddam
is. Like many on this NG have pointed out, Saddam would not have second
thoughts about using chemical weapons on Iranian civilians, and even on
his own people. He is trying his damdest to get biological and nuclear
technology, and there is no reason to believe he would have any qualms
about using them. Saddam has no remorse whatsoever, he didn't hesitate
to kill even his own family members because they pissed him off. And
with the Sanctions causing hardship in Iraq, I sympathise with the
innocent Iraqi civilians who are caught up in this, I really do, but if
Saddam gave a s**t about his own people he would comply fully with the
UN resolutions, so the suffering could end.
Best Regards,
Michel St-Germain
ric...@netcom.ca
Robert S. Dunn
Mary E Knadler wrote in message <69hgp9$b...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>...
>There is nothing amusing in bombing & killing innocent Arab
>women & children. Clinton has come up with a new & phoney
>story tonight with this Ritter guy with some phoney memo.
>
"Innocent"? You forget, Saddam has killed more of his own citizens than we
could in 10 more invasions.
>Another excuse to kill Arabs. When will it ever stop. Why
>can't they realize the Gulf war is over. We killed alot
>more people than they did.
>
Were you refering to the UN or to Saddam? It's hard to tell, because you
seem to be upset at the UN, but we all know that Saddam has killed more
Arabs than the UN.
>This doesn't have to keep on every few months. We should
>lift the sanctions & forget it. period
>
Yeah, right on sister! Lets remember the few arabs that the UN has killed
trying to liberate the Kuwatis, and forget the attrocities of Saddam who
killed his own people trying to liberate his wallet! Yeah!!!!! Way to go,
blind sister!!!!!
>No more phoney games & stories for an excuse to kill!
>Killing is wrong.
>
Tell that to Saddam, you'll get less of a deaf ear from Hellen Keller!
-rob
Lou E. Campagna
"Salim Al-Azawi" <ala...@pathcom.com> wrote:
>What an Idiot
>You are looking at this way to simply.
>Let's see what has been going on
>1. Saddam came to power about the same time Bush was the had of CIA
It seems the USA and other Western Nations also supported Saddam in
his war against Iran.
USA also did not say too much officially when Saddam gased and
poisoned the Kurds.
>2. After the Gulf War Bush told the Iraqi people that they will get help if
>they moved against Saddam. Once the people revolted (both in north and
>south) Bush and the Evil Allies turned their back on the people.
Sounds a bit like the Soviet Union and the Western Allies in WW2
urging the Poles to revolt, which they do and then the Soviets stand
by to watch the Germans crush the revolt.
>3. If you want to overthrow a government you don't make the people go hungry
>because when someone is hungry they think of only how to feed themselves and
>their families. (Imagine your kids going hungry what would you be thinking
>about day in day out).
Very true we should have learned this lessson from WW2 when the
bombing simply increased the resolve of the civilians to go on.
Vietnam another case in point. Massive bombing did not break the will
of the No. Vietnamese.
>PJK wrote in message <34BC59...@pacbell.net>...
>>Mary E Knadler wrote:
>>>
>>> Another excuse to kill Arabs. When will it ever stop. Why
>>> can't they realize the Gulf war is over. We killed a lot
>>> more people than they did.
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Gary
>yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler) spewed forth:
>
>
>>I do not fall for all the stuff sent out by the Mossad & Israel.
>>They have always tried to bring down any strong leader in the Arab
>>world.
>>
>>Israel has weapons of "mass destruction" & would use them too,
>>if they wanted to, & you know that is true.
>>
>>I do not trust them one little bit for the truth!
>>
>> yasmin2
>
>What the hell's that rotton SMELL!!??.....
>
>Oh...
>
>Yeah....
>
>It's anti-SEMITISM!
>
>That's right.....I remember it from Nuremburg in '36.
>
>
You just now noticing that about Mary?
Go to dejanews and read some of her past posts.
Its quite obvious.
Salim Al-Azawi
ric...@netcom.ca wrote in message <34BFF6...@netcom.ca>...
>Mary E Knadler wrote:
>
>First of all, I can't believe you buy that "stealing oil" bulls**t.
They were during the Iran Iraq war, get your facts straight. (you see there
is an oilfield that runs through the Iraqi Kuwait border, so it wasn't that
hard to steal) - PS it isn't that I am supporting Saddam or what he did.
>Saddam needed a lame excuse to invade his neighbor, so he concocted yet
>another pathetically transparent lie. I suppose you didn't mind the fact
>that wile in Kuwait, the Iraqi soldiers (actually little more than
>brutal hooligans with AK-47s) were routinely, day in and day out,
>looting, raping, torturing, and murdering the Kuwaiti civilians, the
>women and children. You think it's acceptable that the Iraqis would rape
>a man's wife and daughter, force him to watch, then shoot him? You >think
Is this information from your Jewish controled media, or maybe from the same
bitch that is the Kuwaiti Ambassadors daughter who was working with a U.S.
PR company on what to say in the US congress hearings (incubator babies -
what a lie).
PS is it acceptable that hundreds of thousands of people (including 400
children a day) die in a country to satisfy Billy rapist boy Clinton, and
his gang or Benjamin "what a loser" Netanjahu and his jewish gang - U.S.
policy after all is run by Madeleine "I didn't know I am jewish" Albright
and Mr. Jewish Defence secretary Cohen.
>it's acceptable that the brutal Iraqi dictator was trying to grab onto
>as much oil resources he could from a tiny neighbor, so that he could
>solidify his grip on power? I don't think you realize how brutal Saddam
>is. Like many on this NG have pointed out, Saddam would not have
I myself do as I have lived under him, so don't you dare tell anyone about
brutality.
>second
>thoughts about using chemical weapons on Iranian civilians, and >even on
I am sure you care about Iraqi and Iranian civilians.
>his own people. He is trying his damdest to get biological and nuclear
>technology, and there is no reason to believe he would have any
I will not say that he should have these weapons, as he would probably use
them against his own people (he already did), but please tell me that you
don't think anyone including Israel should have these weapons. Israel has
200 nukes alone.
>qualms
>about using them. Saddam has no remorse whatsoever, he didn't hesitate
>to kill even his own family members because they pissed him off.
I am not sure if you know that he killed his Mother, uncle, etc...
>And
>with the Sanctions causing hardship in Iraq, I sympathise with the
>innocent Iraqi civilians who are caught up in this, I really do, but if
>Saddam gave a s**t about his own people he would comply fully with the
>UN resolutions, so the suffering could end.
>
He doesn't give a crap, but that doesn't mean that the whole world should
ignore the Iraqi's plight.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Michel St-Germain
>ric...@netcom.ca
end
Susan Hicks
First of all I think you have been watching too many action movies, just
think about this for a moment imagine another country, let 's say Britain,
decided that they didnt agree with Clinton's policies. The British
government decided they were going to send ships near the east coast, and
they were sending in United Nations inspection teams that were primarily
made up of British inspectors to look at our weapons facility. Also the
British suspected we were making bombs on Pennsylvania Avenue so they also
wanted to take a look inside the White House while they were at it. So
obviously the United States refuses, and declares "we want a more diverse
inspection team" but this is taken as being hostile by the British and the
British are thinking about declaring war on us. This sounds pretty
ridiculous, right??? Yet this exactly what the U.S. govt is doing.
But as far as the American government is concerned and the majority of the
ignorant American public it is perfectly acceptable to invade another
country, remove their elected leader and replace them with a puppet of ours.
Why dont you wake up and stop falling for the propaganda the govt and news
and movies are feeding you!!
S. Hart
On Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:18:35 -0500, "Susan Hicks" <sus...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Your analogy doesn't quite make sense. We didn't fight a war with
Britain, lose, and sign a peace agreement stating we'd dismantle our
weapons of mass destruction. Iraq did. If they didn't like the terms
of surrender, or felt capable of winning the war, then they should've
kept on fighting.
PJK
Susan Hicks wrote:
>
> First of all I think you have been watching too many action movies, just
> think about this for a moment imagine another country, let 's say Britain,
> decided that they didnt agree with Clinton's policies. The British
> government decided they were going to send ships near the east coast, and
> they were sending in United Nations inspection teams that were primarily
> made up of British inspectors to look at our weapons facility. Also the
> British suspected we were making bombs on Pennsylvania Avenue so they also
> wanted to take a look inside the White House while they were at it. So
> obviously the United States refuses, and declares "we want a more diverse
> inspection team" but this is taken as being hostile by the British and the
> British are thinking about declaring war on us. This sounds pretty
> ridiculous, right???
Extremely ridiculous, but the fact is Sadman Insane LOST a war and we
get to make the rules. It's been that way for as long as humans (no,
not men: I wouldn't want to hear some "Oh, it's the men who cause all
the wars" bullshit from a spoiled American brat who's greatest travail
has been whether or not Johnny's going to ask her to the prom.) Get out
into the Third World, baby. See how different things are, and how
people treat other people. You'll want evil humans like Sadman locked
up or executed once you get a sense of the real horror they cause. I've
been there and seen it all. It's pretty sick and the only cure is never
let them get away with it.
qut...@imap2.asu.edu
: & Israel who want to get rid of him. You don't know anything
: about him yourself.
No no no....I know about Iraq way much more than you do. And I don't need
to read the newspapers here to know saddam & his regime !! believe me....
I have heard it from Iraqis, and saw what this guy stands for first hand...
So don't use such arguement to prove your point. My advice to you is not
to bias your view because of your hate or other views about other issues in
the region. saddam is a dictator...this is a fact that no one can deny !
: I do not fall for all the stuff sent out by the Mossad & Israel.
: They have always tried to bring down any strong leader in the Arab
: world.
Ohhhh man a typical old ME arguement about the trouble in the arab world !!!
our problem is the support we give to stupid "leaders" such as this guys
called saddam
: Israel has weapons of "mass destruction" & would use them too,
: if they wanted to, & you know that is true.
They may, but what does this has to do with the support to someone like
saddam & his regime, who BTW killed more arabs than Israel ??
: I do not trust them one little bit for the truth!
: yasmin2
Well thats fine, but do you trust the ordinary Iraqi, or the arabs ?? ohhh
may be you trust saddam's newpapers !!! yeah that will for sure give you
the "truth" you are looking for :))
Qutaiba
Idaho
On 14 Jan 1998 22:57:17 GMT, yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
wrote:
>How do you know that they do NOT like him? Just because
>you & Israel cannot stand any strong Arab leader the Arab
>people may want that.
They (the Iraqis) do not like him because he keeps on killing them!
Duh.
And where was all of your pity for poor dead Kuwaitis and Kurds and
Iranians? They were not killed by wicked Americans and wicked
Zionists, they were killed by your hero.
He has been to war against every one of his neighbors, you dunce.
Get a clue. The man is a much greater menace to his people than any
mere shortage of medicine.
--
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"It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen
from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to
keep the Government from falling into error."
Mary E Knadler
Well, I think you are very wrong. We do not get to make all the
rules. There are other people in this world who do not agree with
you. I do not support Israel in what it is doing to the Palestinians.
So who gets to make the rules about 120 million Arabs versus 6 Million
Israelis?
yasmin2
Peaceman
ric...@netcom.ca wrote:
>
> Mary E Knadler wrote:
> First of all, I can't believe you buy that "stealing oil" bulls**t.
> another pathetically transparent lie. I suppose you didn't mind the fact
> that wile in Kuwait, the Iraqi soldiers (actually little more than
> brutal hooligans with AK-47s) were routinely, day in and day out,
> looting, raping, torturing, and murdering the Kuwaiti civilians, the
> women and children. You think it's acceptable that the Iraqis would rape
> a man's wife and daughter, force him to watch, then shoot him? You think
> as much oil resources he could from a tiny neighbor, so that he could
> solidify his grip on power? I don't think you realize how brutal Saddam
> thoughts about using chemical weapons on Iranian civilians, and even on
> about using them. Saddam has no remorse whatsoever, he didn't hesitate
> with the Sanctions causing hardship in Iraq, I sympathise with the
> innocent Iraqi civilians who are caught up in this, I really do, but if
> Saddam gave a s**t about his own people he would comply fully with the
> UN resolutions, so the suffering could end.
>
Do you think it is acceptable to kill a million Iraqi children?
I guess the Americans beat old Saddam to the draw on that one.
The irony of it is that most of these warmonger right-wing types
claim to be Christian. Yet they always want war with someone. It
doesn't really matter who. How many other wacko dictators are running
around? I guess next you will claim that Jesus was a mercenary,
and you have his approval to kill everyone in sight.
peaceman
Jesus was a mercenary. Jesus was a millionaire. Jesus hated the poor.
Jesus was a ditto-head just like Rush.
PJK
Mary E Knadler wrote:
>
>
> Well, I think you are very wrong. We do not get to make all the
> rules. There are other people in this world who do not agree with
> you. I do not support Israel in what it is doing to the Palestinians.
>
> So who gets to make the rules about 120 million Arabs versus 6 Million
> Israelis?
>
> yasmin2
To the victors belong the spoils.
Might makes right.
History is written by the victors.
Gee, I can't think of any others, but the point is those who win
command. If your heart bleeds for the losers, who happen to be lower
than worm excrement on the evolutionary scale, then go there and live
with them for awhile. I'd give great odds that you'd be back home in 1
month with a whole new attitude.
BTW, the Israelis have the courage, intelligence, and weapons to command
120 million Arabs, in case you haven't been paying attention.
, baby. It's always been true and always will be, because we don't live
in an idealized world.
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On 18 Jan 1998 22:00:14 GMT, yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
wrote:
>So who gets to make the rules about 120 million Arabs versus 6 Million
>Israelis?
>
> yasmin2
Surprise- the world isn't run by democratic vote. Besides, the 120
million Arabs are split up into much smaller factions that don't like
each other and only tolerate the other because of their mutual hate of
Israel. So get rid of Israel and who gets to make the rules about the
120 million Arabs- it's the same Arabs who're making the rules now-
and they've really done a great job killing each other before Israel
came into the picture.
Bob K (remove NOSPAM to reply by email)
Scott Erb
In article <34C290...@concentric.net>, Um...@concentric.net says...
>Do you think it is acceptable to kill a million Iraqi children?
>I guess the Americans beat old Saddam to the draw on that one.
>The irony of it is that most of these warmonger right-wing types
>claim to be Christian.
What a surreal world. People claiming that a man who preached pacifism is
their savior, and then wanting to kill for him. People cheering as Iraqi
children are killed, and then crying when they see one small tragedy on
TV.
This world has got to be a joke, right? I mean, its too weird to be real.
Idaho
On 14 Jan 1998 21:46:13 GMT, yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
wrote:
>The most viscious people over their are the Israelis.
What a stupid thing to say. Saddam Insane has killed millions.
Charlie Ambrosi
Um...@concentric.net spewed forth:
>I guess the Americans beat old Saddam to the draw on that one.
>The irony of it is that most of these warmonger right-wing types
>doesn't really matter who. How many other wacko dictators are running
>around? I guess next you will claim that Jesus was a mercenary,
>and you have his approval to kill everyone in sight.
>
>peaceman
>Jesus was a mercenary. Jesus was a millionaire. Jesus hated the poor.
>Jesus was a ditto-head just like Rush.
>
LOL....what can I say....if you were any MORE stupid you have to be watered
twice a week!!!
You like Saddam & Iraq so much...get your faggy ass OVER there and help them
OUT!
jo...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Idaho (sunf...@yahoo.com) wrote:
: On 14 Jan 1998 21:46:13 GMT, yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
: wrote:
: >The most viscious people over their are the Israelis.
: What a stupid thing to say. Saddam Insane has killed millions.
: "It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen
: from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to
: keep the Government from falling into error."
So has USA, but you don't see anybody stopping them.
Except Cuba, that is.
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jo...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
CUBA? You think Little Fidel is "Stopping" the USA from "Killing Millions?"
How, by shooting down airliners? He must use surplus soviet "enemy Airplane
Identity Outlines"...you know, the one that says that a U2 spy plane is
shaped exactly like a jumbo jet, with airline logos on the side...
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Student serv.
Idaho wrote:
> He has been to war against every one of his neighbors, you dunce.
> Get a clue. The man is a much greater menace to his people than any
> mere shortage of medicine.
>
mere shortage of medicine????
Is that what you call economic sanctions!.
OH and BTW, it was the americans who supported the current Iraqi
part(Ba'ath). during the 60's..I am sure you don't know who was the
director of the CIA, who provided funding and support..It was the same
man who labeled the Iraqi president as "worse than hitler" in 1990.
there is a joke that this man had written up his dissertation as a war
game where the outcome would bring about the break up of the Soviet
Union, and total chaos in the Middle East. I guess he wanted to test it.
Once he became President in 1988.
Student serv.
> > First of all, I can't believe you buy that "stealing oil" bulls**t.
> > Saddam needed a lame excuse to invade his neighbor, so he concocted yet
> > another pathetically transparent lie.
sattelite pictures of oil diggings that shifted in angle from kuwaiti
ground to enter iraqi soil..
I suppose you didn't mind the fact
> > that wile in Kuwait, the Iraqi soldiers (actually little more than
> > brutal hooligans with AK-47s) were routinely, day in and day out,
> > looting, raping, torturing, and murdering the Kuwaiti civilians, the
> > women and children. You think it's acceptable that the Iraqis would rape
> > a man's wife and daughter, force him to watch, then shoot him?
Iraqi soldiers do not use ak-47, for one.. And out of the many cases of
alleged rape and torture, only 100 have been proven, and or
reported..Kuwait lost less people than what the U.S. lost...even though
Majority of the american casualties during the war, were screw ups and
accidents.
> > it's acceptable that the brutal Iraqi dictator was trying to grab onto
> > as much oil resources he could from a tiny neighbor, so that he could
> > solidify his grip on power? I don't think you realize how brutal Saddam
> > is. Like many on this NG have pointed out, Saddam would not have second
> > thoughts about using chemical weapons on Iranian civilians, and even on
> > his own people. He is trying his damdest to get biological and nuclear
> > technology, and there is no reason to believe he would have any qualms
> > about using them.
Compared to the U.S. and its' arsenal of chemical and biological..oh and
don't forget nuclear, weapons..???
> >Saddam has no remorse whatsoever, he didn't hesitate
> > to kill even his own family members because they pissed him off.
the events that lead to the execution of Hussein Kamel, are beyond your
comprehension..That is why CNN decided to cut it short and save you and
your family some thinking.
> > with the Sanctions causing hardship in Iraq, I sympathise with the
> > innocent Iraqi civilians who are caught up in this, I really do, but if
> > Saddam gave a s**t about his own people he would comply fully with the
> > UN resolutions, so the suffering could end.
you really mean US resolutions....I know you do..
> > Best Regards,
Sid
qut...@imap2.asu.edu
Student serv. (stud...@luc.edu) wrote:
: April Glaspie..the U.S. ambassador to Iraq showed the Iraqi President
: sattelite pictures of oil diggings that shifted in angle from kuwaiti
: ground to enter iraqi soil..
: I suppose you didn't mind the fact
And can you please give us the source of these so called facts you are
telling us ????
: Iraqi soldiers do not use ak-47, for one.. And out of the many cases of
: alleged rape and torture, only 100 have been proven, and or
: reported..Kuwait lost less people than what the U.S. lost...even though
: Majority of the american casualties during the war, were screw ups and
: accidents.
Can you again tell us the sources of your so called facts ???
and taking your number....so its ok for you if it was 100 ?? and how
about the stealing that took place in Kuwait ??? do you know the
figures....or all the stories were not true ?????
: you really mean US resolutions....I know you do..
Ohhh so all these countries who sign it like Britain, Russia, China,
France.... are just toys in the US hands haa ????? do you live in the
same world we live in Mr. ???? or do you come from another planet.....
And whether it is a UN or US (as you put it) resolution, the fact stays
that Iraq signed a ceasfire agreement when it lost the war which it
started, and it should pay for the act that saddam & their regime had
taken.
It amazes me that most of the people who support the Iraqi regime are
non-Iraqis and never lived under such regime !!!!!
Why don't you go and live under the rule of your beloved leader saddam &
his regime, and see if you will be allowed to open your mouth (other than
for eating or drinking!!) and say what you want freely :)
qut...@imap2.asu.edu
Student serv. (stud...@luc.edu) wrote:
: mere shortage of medicine????
: Is that what you call economic sanctions!.
No, but its the Iraqi government which is the main reason for such a problem.
They don't want to buy the needed stuff, and they would rather spend it
on building the 60+ palaces for their beloved leader !!
The UN resolutions allow Iraq to buy food & medicine, but its the Iraqi
government which does not want to buy such needed materials.
: OH and BTW, it was the americans who supported the current Iraqi
: part(Ba'ath). during the 60's..I am sure you don't know who was the
: director of the CIA, who provided funding and support..It was the same
: man who labeled the Iraqi president as "worse than hitler" in 1990.
: there is a joke that this man had written up his dissertation as a war
: game where the outcome would bring about the break up of the Soviet
: Union, and total chaos in the Middle East. I guess he wanted to test it.
: Once he became President in 1988.
Ohhh boy....we are back to this big conspericy theory !!!
I guess some people like to talk about it and keep it alive :)
John W. Tibbs
qut...@imap2.asu.edu wrote:
>
> Student serv. (stud...@luc.edu) wrote:
> : mere shortage of medicine????
> : Is that what you call economic sanctions!.
>
> No, but its the Iraqi government which is the main reason for such a problem.
> They don't want to buy the needed stuff, and they would rather spend it
> on building the 60+ palaces for their beloved leader !!
> The UN resolutions allow Iraq to buy food & medicine, but its the Iraqi
> government which does not want to buy such needed materials.
>
play "Wag The Dog" with our soldiers, sailors, airmen's lives to try to
get the people's mind off his scandalously perverted sex compulsions.
Of course, if he 'LOATHES' our military as he has stated he does, a few
thousand lives don't matter to him. He thinks he's more important.
The spin has already begun about how Saddam Hussein is about to be
attacked because he (Saddam) won't cooperate.
This is tragic but it's typical of today's socio-liberal Fascist faction
of the baby boom (hippie) generation. It's very, very sad....
jwt
qut...@imap2.asu.edu
Sid Al-Omari (stud...@luc.edu) wrote:
: My source Mr. Qutaiba was the TV from my home in Baghdad, where the
: interview was broadcasted live.! Also, me and my Family had met April
: Glaspie while she was the U.S. Ambassador to Iraq, at many occasions.
What channle was that ? is it the Iraqi regime TV channels ? I have never
heard of what you are saying..I have never heard that the US Ambassador
has ever said that Kuwait was stealing oil from Iraq...never. That was a
fabricated lie by the Iraqi regime to creat a problem...
So saying that your source is "the TV from my home in Baghdad" is not
enough to prove what you are claiming here......
: no, it's not OK even if it was 10, most of the figures I know are from
: personal experience, what experience???> I was in iraq until 1993, is
: that good enough for you???. I was in Kuwait on Sept. of 1990, is that
: good enough for you..
So what if you were in Iraq in 1993...how does that help you know the exact
numbers of the people killed and raped in Kuwait ?? are you telling me that
the Iraqi sources are accurate and we should believe what saddam's newspapers
tell you ??? also you are saying that you were in Kuwait on Sept
90....thats after the invasion & during the occupation ?? were you part of
the occupaying regime & forces ?? If yes...then ohhhh I should believe
everything you say !!!!!!!! since you talk with the same tone of the
Iraqi regime.......
: NO I don't. but oviously you do..If you believe that U.S. and Britain do
: not carry any bias against Iraq!!. do you actually believe in the
: news????? and please do not use the collective"we" because no one else
: has shared the same ideas with you..
Why would they carry any bias against the Iraqi people ? didn't the US
help Iraq before the 2nd Gulf war ???? didn't they help you during the
Iran war :)
do I believe in the news ???? well I know Iraq and Iknow how people live
there.....so I don't depend on western media to tell me about Iraq..
my question to you : do you believe the Iraqi media ?? and where do you
usually get your news ?
As for using we.....well I was talking about people I know, who share the
same views about this issue...so Yes there are people who share the same
ideas like me even on this news group....It seems to me that you are new
here and you have not seen posts before about the issue of Iraq and the
UN sanctions...
: well, if you did have a shred of humanity in you, you would realize that
: 500 thousand people have died from economic sanctions that are designed
: to obliterate the infrastructure of Iraq...
Well lets not get personal here ok...you don't know me and you have no
right to start saying that I have no shred of humanity in me...
This issue of sanctions, I have discussed before on this newsgroup with
another Iraqi person who was very respectfull and understanding to my
point and views. And here I repeat what I have said before : The sanction
were impossed on Iraq after the 2nd Gulf war, and Iraq signed a ceasfire
treaty which obliged it to carry out a lot of actions, which it did not
to this day. Now do I feel sorry and bad about the suffering of the
ordinary Iraqi who has nothing to do with it..my answer is a big Yes...but
I have also my own suffering as a Kuwaiti, which is the continous
suffering of a lot of families for the 600+ Kuwaiti prisoners in the
Iraqi jails...who are inoccent men, women, and children...
So I have mixed feelings about it and I have the right to work hard to
get these 600+ out of Iraqi prisons.
Also the sad thing is that the Iraqi government is using its own people
as hostages, and not accepting to sell oil & buy food.....instead they
focus in building palaces to their leader, and recently they are planning
to build the largest mosque in the name of saddam !!!!
: is that enough of a fee to pay for your ideals and what you believe in??
I don't think one human life is acceptable as a a price for
anything...but the unfortunate thing is that its the fault of the Iraqi
government why there are many ordinary innocent Iraqis dyeing. which BTW
was the case before the Gulf war.
Iraqis never lived in the luxury that they deserve (since Iraq is richer
than Saudi Arabia...) under the Iraqi regimes. Instead they lived in
hard life and wars......all to serve this "great hero" called saddam !!!
: and it amazes me that even in our society, at this day and age..people
: have the audacity to claim that they know all the facts of the story...
: ...through one side.
No....its not a one side.....I said to you before and you decided to
ignore it that I know about Iraq not from western media (which is still
by far a free media compared to our region !!) so don't try to prove your
point by claiming things about what I know & don't know, and my sources
of information....
It amazes me that in this time & age..there are still people like you who
supprot someone like sadam & his regime.......and then claim to know all
the facts.....!!!
Your original post claimed a lot of things,,and made them look like
facts !!!
: my boy what you are doing with your argument..is coming down the
: mountain after the war and shooting the wounded.....(I know it is
: possible for you not to understand this).
Well you seem to know alot of things !!!! and noo...am not shooting the
wounded. My arguement tries to show my own view. The Iraqi regime should
never be given another chance to threaten its neighbors whenever it finds
it convenient. Once the Iraqi regime learns to respect others and
concentrate on its own internal affairs, then Iraq will get the respect
it deservs. How can you ask me to care about your own affairs, when you
don't show any remorse & sympathy to what happened to me ?? how can I
care about someone, who does not care about me ??
Do you understand this ? or is it hard for someone who learned the
"Truth" from the Iraqi regime media ????
Qutaiba
qut...@imap2.asu.edu
Sid Al-Omari (stud...@luc.edu) wrote:
: If you actually read the news you will see that only 53% of the oil
: revenue is reaching Iraq, after paying war reparations to Kuwait. and
: paying the salaries of the UN commission...(this is a fact!!!)this
: amount is not sufficient under any standard to feed a population.
Well I thought they take %30 and give Iraq %70 ?
But anyway, Iraq took the decision of invading & destroying another
country and it should accept & pay the consequesnces for such actions.
Also if that money is not enough....well why don't they stop building
palaces, make big birthday parties to saddam every year,......etc and
feed the people ? Its not the amount that is not enough, its the bad
management and spending by the Iraqi regime which is keeping the ordinary
Iraqi from being well fed !
: > Ohhh boy....we are back to this big conspericy theory !!!
: > I guess some people like to talk about it and keep it alive :)
: first of all, it is not a theory..this is a fact...look under CIA fact
: book(let me know if you have trouble finding it)..
Well you seems to know a lot of "facts" !! please help me see the proof
to this theory of yours !
Where does it say that the US orchestrated the 2nd Gulf war ?
Also where does it say that the US asked the Iraqi soldiers to invade,steal,
destroy,rape....etc Kuwait ? did the american teach your soldiers to do
these things & asked them to act on it ?
Do you want me to send you tapes showing what your soldiers were doing in
Kuwait during the invasion & occupation ? these are facts....I don't need
to read look under the CIA fact book......or maybe you have seen it and
joined in it since you were there in 9/1990....!!!!!
BTW I thought you don't read western sources of information and don't
agree with what they say ??!!! how come now you are asking me to get
my information from the CIA fact book ?!!!!
ohhh maybe you pick and chose when to read for them & when not to :) very
convenient !!!
Sid Al-Omari
qut...@imap2.asu.edu wrote:
First of all, what do you mean western sources of info. ?? is everything
with you east and west...just like your world,Black or white??
I only mentioned the CIA factbook, because I wasn't sure what type of
info. sources do you follow...it seems to me like it is from People
Magazine!!!..
the UN set up monitoring systems in Iraq that distributes the food and
medicine..so what you are saying does not hold ground...second of all..
you are not supposed to read how the U.S. orchestrated the 2nd gulf
war..
you are supposed to realize the hidden messages, and recognize events in
your history...that you claim has not taught us anything.
All it needs is a normal level of intelligence to connect the dots.
we do not live in a black-white world...on the contrary...we live in a
gray shady world..where individuals decide the fate of nations while
taking for granted citizens like you..that are blinded by a supposedly
moral concience.
I am not hear to insult you or anyone..if I have already please accept
my apology...nor am I here to prove a point..merely to provide my
perception of what really happened!!!
Mary E Knadler
In <34CD03...@luc.edu> Sid Al-Omari <stud...@luc.edu> writes:
>qut...@imap2.asu.edu wrote:
>
>> And can you please give us the source of these so called facts you
are
>> telling us ????
>interview was broadcasted live.! Also, me and my Family had met April
>Glaspie while she was the U.S. Ambassador to Iraq, at many occasions.
>
>> about the stealing that took place in Kuwait ??? do you know the
>> figures....or all the stories were not true ?????
>
>personal experience, what experience???> I was in iraq until 1993, is
>that good enough for you???. I was in Kuwait on Sept. of 1990, is that
>good enough for you..
>> France.... are just toys in the US hands haa ????? do you live in
the
>> same world we live in Mr. ???? or do you come from another
planet.....
>
do
>not carry any bias against Iraq!!. do you actually believe in the
>news????? and please do not use the collective"we" because no one else
>has shared the same ideas with you..
stays
>> that Iraq signed a ceasfire agreement when it lost the war which it
>> started, and it should pay for the act that saddam & their regime
had
>> taken.
>
that
>500 thousand people have died from economic sanctions that are
designed
>to obliterate the infrastructure of Iraq...
in??
>
>
are
>> non-Iraqis and never lived under such regime !!!!!
>
>have the audacity to claim that they know all the facts of the
story...
>...through one side.
>mountain after the war and shooting the wounded.....(I know it is
>possible for you not to understand this).
>
>(not Mr.??????)
I agree with you Mr. Al-Omari. I think the butchers are in
Washington, D.C. Pro-Israeli & Jewish poeple are now in charge
of our foreign policy toward Iraqi & they are all "hard-line".
They do not care how many people are killed in this up-coming
phoney crisis of satuation bombing they are planning.
It will serve two purposes. Try to shore up Clinton as a big
"war-Hero" & also help him with the Jewish vote in this
country who want Saddam offed & Iraqi leveled to rubble.
And they have the nerve to call Saddam the Butcher Of
Bagdad. I say again, they are the Butchers of Washington,
D.C. The Arabic & European countries do not want any
military action, but that "witch of the Department of
State is all "gung-ho" for the annilalation of Arabs.
yasmin2
root
On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:45:03 -0800, Sid Al-Omari <stud...@luc.edu> wrote:
>qut...@imap2.asu.edu wrote:
>
>> And can you please give us the source of these so called facts you are
>> telling us ????
>My source Mr. Qutaiba was the TV from my home in Baghdad, where the
>interview was broadcasted live.! Also, me and my Family had met April
>Glaspie while she was the U.S. Ambassador to Iraq, at many occasions.
>
>> and taking your number....so its ok for you if it was 100 ?? and how
>> about the stealing that took place in Kuwait ??? do you know the
>> figures....or all the stories were not true ?????
>
>no, it's not OK even if it was 10, most of the figures I know are from
>personal experience, what experience???> I was in iraq until 1993, is
>that good enough for you???. I was in Kuwait on Sept. of 1990, is that
>good enough for you..
>> Ohhh so all these countries who sign it like Britain, Russia, China,
>> France.... are just toys in the US hands haa ????? do you live in the
>> same world we live in Mr. ???? or do you come from another planet.....
>
communist movement, which has as its slaves the same parties in most of
Western Europe, Israel, parts of Russia, probably China, etc. They have
decided they have nothing to gain by waiting any longer, and their usual
strategy in these situations is to provoke the opponent into striking first,
so that they can then bomb the crap out of them without making excuses to
the world. It's that simple. So, if Sadaam is a big enough fool, he will
probably use whatever he has and spread a lot more of sudden death and
crippling disfigurement among whoever he can reach. And, the U. S. will
drop everything short of a nuclear weapon, and maybe even that as well, in
response. End of story.
CB
yas...@ix.netcom.com(Mary E Knadler) wrote:
>I agree with you Mr. Al-Omari. I think the butchers are in
>Washington, D.C. Pro-Israeli & Jewish poeple are now in charge
>of our foreign policy toward Iraqi & they are all "hard-line".
>They do not care how many people are killed in this up-coming
>phoney crisis of satuation bombing they are planning.
>It will serve two purposes. Try to shore up Clinton as a big
>"war-Hero" & also help him with the Jewish vote in this
>country who want Saddam offed & Iraqi leveled to rubble.
>And they have the nerve to call Saddam the Butcher Of
>Bagdad. I say again, they are the Butchers of Washington,
>D.C. The Arabic & European countries do not want any
>military action, but that "witch of the Department of
>State is all "gung-ho" for the annilalation of Arabs.
> yasmin2
Saturation bombing?....very inefficient. The explosives will be flown
through selected doorways. Hopefully the correct doors will be
selected.
Not a general butchery...the target would be a single piggie.
Saddam is calling this tune, and he's playing it for the master of
manipulation that he is. He knows what is required, he has the
ability to end his peoples suffering. He is, for whatever reasons,
prolonging this whole sorry period for Iraq. Is this whole thing
blown out of proportion, I don't know. A complete, unhindered,
inspection of Iraq's military resources would likely result in at
least some confidence that Saddam's ability to wage war against his
neighbors is minimized. Lifting of the embargo was tied to
inspection. What secrets could Saddam have that he could invoke to
justify stopping full inspection and relieve the suffering? He's
playing games on the world stage, distracting attention from his lack
of leadership and nation building skills.
He fought a war, he lost, he's trying to save face, his people are
paying for it, he'll lose again.
CB
tem...@nospam-2758.paaetms.paaet.edu.kw
On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:51:16 -0800, Sid Al-Omari <stud...@luc.edu> wrote:
> > No, but its the Iraqi government which is the main reason for such a problem.
> > They don't want to buy the needed stuff, and they would rather spend it
> > on building the 60+ palaces for their beloved leader !!
> > The UN resolutions allow Iraq to buy food & medicine, but its the Iraqi
> > government which does not want to buy such needed materials.
> revenue is reaching Iraq, after paying war reparations to Kuwait. and
> paying the salaries of the UN commission...(this is a fact!!!)this
> amount is not sufficient under any standard to feed a population.
deserving of compensation, which include Kurds, Egyptians, and
other nationalities, and not only Kuwaitis. Furthermore, according
to OPEC, Iraq sold 1/3 of its pre-sanctions monthly allotment of
oil, during the month of November. That means 1/6 of Iraq's
pre-sanctions allotment of oil was meant to be spent on food,
medicine, and other amenities. I have serious doubts that
Iraq was spending 1/6 of its income on feeding its people before
1990. They were too busy feeding its war machine.
Keep in mind, that there are now 700,000 refugees in Iran
and close to 2 million Iraqis in Jordan that the government is not
responsible for feeding. Now, there is an agreement in effect to double that
aid. In the meantime, as aid continues to increase, the regime
continues to reduce food rations, as they have admitted. Iraqi
opposition leaders say that the regime is preventing fair food
distribution and is denying patients much needed medicine. Their
scheme is obvious. As long
as Iraqis die a slow death, the Iraqi government can put pressure
on the international community to end sanctions, and in effect
end all investigation of weapons of mass destruction. So, it doesn't
matter if aid is doubled or even tripled. The amount will never
be sufficient, unless income goes straight to the regime.
The government is holding the Iraqi people hostage.
Either end sanctions, or people die. However, people in Iraq have
been dying in masses for the last 20 years. Sanctions had nothing to do
with those deaths before 1990.
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Robert Hubby
Peaceman (Um...@concentric.net) wrote:: > First of all, I can't believe you buy that "stealing oil" bulls**t.
: > Saddam needed a lame excuse to invade his neighbor, so he concocted yet
: > that wile in Kuwait, the Iraqi soldiers (actually little more than
: > brutal hooligans with AK-47s) were routinely, day in and day out,
: > looting, raping, torturing, and murdering the Kuwaiti civilians, the
: > women and children. You think it's acceptable that the Iraqis would rape
: > it's acceptable that the brutal Iraqi dictator was trying to grab onto
: > as much oil resources he could from a tiny neighbor, so that he could
: > solidify his grip on power? I don't think you realize how brutal Saddam
: > is. Like many on this NG have pointed out, Saddam would not have second
: > thoughts about using chemical weapons on Iranian civilians, and even on
: > his own people. He is trying his damdest to get biological and nuclear
: > technology, and there is no reason to believe he would have any qualms
: > to kill even his own family members because they pissed him off. And
: > with the Sanctions causing hardship in Iraq, I sympathise with the
: > innocent Iraqi civilians who are caught up in this, I really do, but if
: > Saddam gave a s**t about his own people he would comply fully with the
: > UN resolutions, so the suffering could end.
: Do you think it is acceptable to kill a million Iraqi children?
I don't think there ever WERE a million Iraqi children. What's the
population of Iraq?
: I guess the Americans beat old Saddam to the draw on that one.
: The irony of it is that most of these warmonger right-wing types
: claim to be Christian. Yet they always want war with someone. It
: doesn't really matter who. How many other wacko dictators are running
: around? I guess next you will claim that Jesus was a mercenary,
: and you have his approval to kill everyone in sight.
Why don't you just go live in Iraq, if you're so "compassionate" and worried
about Iraqi children? You can carry a big sign and get all the attention
you're crying out for here on Usenet, without having to troll.
:
: peaceman
: Jesus was a mercenary. Jesus was a millionaire. Jesus hated the poor.
: Jesus was a ditto-head just like Rush.
No, Jesus was an evangalist. If he was alive TODAY, he'd be richer than
fallwell. Jesus said, in Mark 14:7 "For ye shall have the poor with you
always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good" Does that sound like
someone who "hates the poor?" Finally, since the word "Dittohead" applies to
Rush himself only sideways (FYI, "Dittohead" does NOT mean that the person
agrees with everything Rush says, it means they agree with other fans of the
Rush Limbaugh Radio Show that his show exemplifies quality information and
entertainment. It started as a time saving device, when a caller said
that, instead of praising Rush and his show for 5 minutes, he would
just "ditto" what the previous caller had said.) Now, if Jesus was a
Dittohead, then who invented the time machine and radio that allowed Jeshua
Ben Joseph ("Jesus" is the greek form of Jeshua) to listen to Rush's show?
R.A.H. Elf of the redwoods, Sonoma Valley, Breakfast Cereal Country.
"Israili murderers are called commandos. Arab commandos are called
'Terrorists.' Contra killers are called 'freedom fighters.' Well, if
crime fighters fight crime, and fire fighters fight fire, what do
freedom fighters fight?" - George Carlin
Robert Hubby
qut...@imap2.asu.edu wrote:
: Sid Al-Omari (stud...@luc.edu) wrote:
: : My source Mr. Qutaiba was the TV from my home in Baghdad, where the
: : interview was broadcasted live.! Also, me and my Family had met April
: : Glaspie while she was the U.S. Ambassador to Iraq, at many occasions.
: What channle was that ? is it the Iraqi regime TV channels ? I have never
It must be the same channel we get at my townhouse at Groom Lake (AKA
"Dreamland", Area 51, etc.) Those Greys have great antenae for picking up
inter-dimensional broadcasts...
R.A.H. Elf of the redwoods, Sonoma Valley, Breakfast Cereal Country.
"Louis Pasteur's theory of germs is ridiculous fiction."
- Pierre Pachet, Professor of Physiology at Toulouse, 1872
Robert Hubby
: "war-Hero" & also help him with the Jewish vote in this
: country who want Saddam offed & Iraqi leveled to rubble.
Don't you just love people who express outrage, and can't even spell the
name of the country they're getting rabid about? The Country is called
"Iraq", Mary, not "Iraqi." Saying "Iraqi" is like saying "American"...an
Iraqi is someone who LIVES in Iraq.
:
: And they have the nerve to call Saddam the Butcher Of Bagdad.
Ask the kurds.
: I say again, they are the Butchers of Washington, D.C.
So who is "They?" Is this the mysterious "They" who are hiding UFO's in Area
51 and want to take over the world, using the world banking system? The
Illuminati cabal?
: The Arabic & European countries do not want any military action,
Gee, As far as I remember, the "Arabic and European countries" were fully
supportive of the G.W., all except France, but who cares?
: but that "witch of the Department of State is all "gung-ho" for the
: annilalation of Arabs.
What witch? I didn't know Arabs believed in witches...Djin, Iffrit and evil
sorcerers yes, but not Witches (in the western sense)...
R.A.H. Elf of the redwoods, Sonoma Valley, Breakfast Cereal Country.
KING: Any last words?
CONDEMNED PRISONER: Capital punishment doesn't deter crime!
KING (Leaving): I'll believe that when I see you again.
- THE WIZARD OF ID
Robert Hubby
CB (nospamm_c...@mindspring.com) wrote:
: Saddam is calling this tune, and he's playing it for the master of
: manipulation that he is. He knows what is required, he has the
: ability to end his peoples suffering. He is, for whatever reasons,
: prolonging this whole sorry period for Iraq. Is this whole thing
: blown out of proportion, I don't know. A complete, unhindered,
: inspection of Iraq's military resources would likely result in at
: least some confidence that Saddam's ability to wage war against his
: neighbors is minimized. Lifting of the embargo was tied to
: inspection. What secrets could Saddam have that he could invoke to
: justify stopping full inspection and relieve the suffering? He's
: playing games on the world stage, distracting attention from his lack
: of leadership and nation building skills.
Hey, maybe he's hiding his UFOs in the presidential palaces, and doesn't
want the inspectors fiddling with his version of Area 51.
qut...@imap2.asu.edu
Sid Al-Omari (stud...@luc.edu) wrote:
: First of all, what do you mean western sources of info. ?? is everything
: with you east and west...just like your world,Black or white??
It was not me who talked about the biased sources of information !!! it
was you who said that. So I find it amazing that now you are going back
on what you said earlier !!!! It seems to me that you are confused, and
you don't know exactly what you are talking about.
I have never mentioned anything about east or west or tha world is just
blakc and white !!! what are you talking about :)
Why don't you try to focus on the main points and stop trying to assume
things and build on it.....
: I only mentioned the CIA factbook, because I wasn't sure what type of
: info. sources do you follow...it seems to me like it is from People
: Magazine!!!..
Ohhh here we ago again !!! so now you also assume what type of
information sources I am using haa ????
You see the statement which you wrote is so missed up!! I mean what are you
talking about here ??? whats the relation between this magazine & CIA
factbook and your advice to me to read CIA factbook...how does this answer
my question to you about this source and your recomendation ????
I just asked you : how come now you quote the CIA factbook as an information
source when you previously labeled the western (or the American) media as
biased towards Iraq ??? I don't see your statement answering this
question !!!
: the UN set up monitoring systems in Iraq that distributes the food and
: medicine..so what you are saying does not hold ground...second of all..
: you are not supposed to read how the U.S. orchestrated the 2nd gulf
: war..
What from what I said about the UN "does not hold ground" ???
and about your second point !!!! what do you mean am not supposed to read
about this theory of orchestration ?????
I can read & say & write whatever I want, no one stops me from doing so.
Not like saddam's Iraq, where you just hear what they want you to here,
and write what they want you to write and eat what they want you to eat !!
And never open your mouth to critisize anything or anybody !!
: you are supposed to realize the hidden messages, and recognize events in
: your history...that you claim has not taught us anything.
hidden messages ???? and can you please inform me about what the histroy
is suppose to teach us (me) ?? since you seems to know it.......
: All it needs is a normal level of intelligence to connect the dots.
ohhh and I suppose you have this intelligence and have already broken the
code & connected the dots ?? which I can't with my low level of intelligence
!! so can you Mr. Intelligent inform me and fill the dots for me please......
: we do not live in a black-white world...on the contrary...we live in a
: gray shady world..where individuals decide the fate of nations while
: taking for granted citizens like you..that are blinded by a supposedly
: moral concience.
hmmmm where did I tell you that this world is black & white , and is a
perfect world ??
Well I don't follow what others tell me, I do what I think is right or
wrong. I don't follow blindly anybody in this world and will never do.
Others do in our region & in the world in general, and thats their
choice, but then they should accept the consequences of their decision.
Like most of the arabs when they made a hero of Jamal AbdulNasser, and
then look what happened in 1967 !!! so I need to say more......
I guess you are intelligent enough to understand this point of a less !!
intelligent person like me haa........
: I am not hear to insult you or anyone..if I have already please accept
: my apology...nor am I here to prove a point..merely to provide my
: perception of what really happened!!!
Well I didn't get insulted, because I don't have this low self esteem to
get offended this easily, but thank you for the appology which says a lot
about your character.
And I have no problem with you saying your own opinion, but I have the
right to say mine too and clear things from my own prospective especially
when you come and state things as fact and claim that they are facts !!
qut...@imap2.asu.edu
Mary E Knadler (yas...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: I agree with you Mr. Al-Omari. I think the butchers are in
: Washington, D.C. Pro-Israeli & Jewish poeple are now in charge
: of our foreign policy toward Iraqi & they are all "hard-line".
Can you tell us your opinion of Saddam & his regime please ?
I need to establish in my mind your real motives behinde defending Iraq ?
Which Iraq do you support ?? saddam's Iraq or the ordinary innocent
Iraqi's Iraq ?
: And they have the nerve to call Saddam the Butcher Of
: Bagdad. I say again, they are the Butchers of Washington,
: D.C. The Arabic & European countries do not want any
: military action, but that "witch of the Department of
: State is all "gung-ho" for the annilalation of Arabs.
I have said this to you before and I say it again. saddam & his regime
has killed more arabs & muslims than any one else in this world !!!! so
who is really working hard for the "annilalation of Arabs" ????? How
about Iraq & the Iraqis ...who killed more ??? if Iraq is so peacefull
and great to live in, how come millions of Iraqis are living in exile ??
Open up your eyes and fight the right enemy which is saddam & his regime.
Mary E Knadler
In <6aknsi$q...@camel18.mindspring.com>
nospamm_c...@mindspring.com (CB) writes:
>yas...@ix.netcom.com(Mary E Knadler) wrote:
>
>>I agree with you Mr. Al-Omari. I think the butchers are in
>>Washington, D.C. Pro-Israeli & Jewish poeple are now in charge
>>of our foreign policy toward Iraqi & they are all "hard-line".
>>phoney crisis of satuation bombing they are planning.
>
>>"war-Hero" & also help him with the Jewish vote in this
>>country who want Saddam offed & Iraqi leveled to rubble.
>
>>Bagdad. I say again, they are the Butchers of Washington,
>>D.C. The Arabic & European countries do not want any
>>military action, but that "witch of the Department of
>>State is all "gung-ho" for the annilalation of Arabs.
>
>
>Saturation bombing?....very inefficient. The explosives will be flown
>through selected doorways. Hopefully the correct doors will be
>selected.
>
>Not a general butchery...the target would be a single piggie.
>
>manipulation that he is. He knows what is required, he has the
>ability to end his peoples suffering. He is, for whatever reasons,
>prolonging this whole sorry period for Iraq. Is this whole thing
>blown out of proportion, I don't know. A complete, unhindered,
>inspection of Iraq's military resources would likely result in at
>least some confidence that Saddam's ability to wage war against his
>neighbors is minimized. Lifting of the embargo was tied to
>inspection. What secrets could Saddam have that he could invoke to
>justify stopping full inspection and relieve the suffering? He's
>playing games on the world stage, distracting attention from his lack
>of leadership and nation building skills.
>
>paying for it, he'll lose again.
>
>CB
>
There is no reason except pure "hatred" of Arabs to advocate
this kind of bombing. He has cooperated with the UN
inspections, but our "Policy People" in the Department of
State (the "witch" Albright) will accept nothing but
military action. France, Russia, China & all the Arab
countries are in disagreement with HER!
So what is her reason? It's pure phoney pro-Israeli
"hatred" of Arabs. That is all I can think. The others
all want to lift the embargo. That is what is causing all
the problem. She will not get off her "hard-line"
"pro-Israli" policies.
yasmin2
Salim Al-Azawi
>deserving of compensation, which include Kurds, Egyptians, and
>other nationalities, and not only Kuwaitis. Furthermore, according
Can you tell me why the hell Egyptians are deserving of compensation. Is it
because they are US friends. Egyptians have only their government to blame
for their misery due to the war. I laugh and am happy now at their misery.
Not only did they lose their well paying jobs in Iraq but also they are
getting shafted by Kuwait and the Saudis (something they didn't count on).
Let them enjoy the blood money they are getting from Iraq while they still
can.
end
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Mary E Knadler (yas...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: There is no reason except pure "hatred" of Arabs to advocate
: this kind of bombing. He has cooperated with the UN
: inspections, but our "Policy People" in the Department of
Who said so !!!!?? saddam & his regime has not fullfilled the UN resolutions
and did not fully cooperate with the inspectors. Don't shift away from
the truth..saddam & his regime want to build their mass distruction weapons
and start disturbing & threatening their neighbors again. saddam & his
regime are the main reason behinde the problems in our region.
: So what is her reason? It's pure phoney pro-Israeli
: "hatred" of Arabs. That is all I can think. The others
: all want to lift the embargo. That is what is causing all
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ????
who said so ??????? who are the others who want to end the sanctions
against saddam's Iraq ????? China, France, Russia, have supported all of
the UN resolutions :)
: the problem. She will not get off her "hard-line"
: "pro-Israli" policies.
:))) its so typical pathetic arguement........instead of telling the
truth and blaming the real reason behinde the suffering of the ordinary
innocent Iraqi (which is saddam)...bring up the issue of israel to gather
supprot for your weak points !!! how typical.......you remind me of
saddam's media :)
Woow saddam's supporters are getting desprate in their arguements :) and
it goes to show how weak their case is.................
Gary
On 27 Jan 1998 21:32:34 GMT, qut...@imap2.asu.edu wrote:
>Mary E Knadler (yas...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>
>: I agree with you Mr. Al-Omari. I think the butchers are in
>: Washington, D.C. Pro-Israeli & Jewish poeple are now in charge
>: of our foreign policy toward Iraqi & they are all "hard-line".
>
>Can you tell us your opinion of Saddam & his regime please ?
>I need to establish in my mind your real motives behinde defending Iraq ?
If you had been reading this womans previous posts you would know the
real motive behind her defending Iraq.
She is a anti semite. She will lie, make false accusations, repeat
anything that makes Israel look bad. Her support for Iraq is based in
her hate for Jews. If you bring up the fact that Saddam Insane gassed
his own people she simply ignores it and refuses to answer.
She is truly nuts.
Mary E Knadler
In <6aljpi$g...@news.asu.edu> qut...@imap2.asu.edu writes:
>
>Mary E Knadler (yas...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>
>: I agree with you Mr. Al-Omari. I think the butchers are in
>: Washington, D.C. Pro-Israeli & Jewish poeple are now in charge
>: of our foreign policy toward Iraqi & they are all "hard-line".
>
>Can you tell us your opinion of Saddam & his regime please ?
>I need to establish in my mind your real motives behinde defending
Iraq ?
>Iraqi's Iraq ?
>
>: Bagdad. I say again, they are the Butchers of Washington,
>: D.C. The Arabic & European countries do not want any
>: military action, but that "witch of the Department of
>: State is all "gung-ho" for the annilalation of Arabs.
>
>has killed more arabs & muslims than any one else in this world !!!!
so
>who is really working hard for the "annilalation of Arabs" ????? How
>about Iraq & the Iraqis ...who killed more ??? if Iraq is so peacefull
>and great to live in, how come millions of Iraqis are living in exile
??
>
>Open up your eyes and fight the right enemy which is saddam & his
regime.
>
>Qutaiba
>--
>Qutaiba Razouqi
-------...@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu----------------------
> "If patience is a virtue, and ignorance is bliss, |
> you can have a pretty good life |
> if you're stupid and willing to
wait" |
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
Are you an Iraqi citizens or emigree from Iraq, Mr. Razouqi
or are you an Iranian? If you are an Iranian I understand that
you are therefore not an Arabic person. So why are you trying to
intervene in an Arabic country. Your own country of Iran is
on the terrorist list of the US.
yasmin2
e
CB
yas...@ix.netcom.com(Mary E Knadler) wrote:
snip
>>
>>Saturation bombing?....very inefficient. The explosives will be flown
>>through selected doorways. Hopefully the correct doors will be
>>selected.
>>
>>Not a general butchery...the target would be a single piggie.
>>
>>Saddam is calling this tune, and he's playing it for the master of
>>manipulation that he is. He knows what is required, he has the
>>ability to end his peoples suffering. He is, for whatever reasons,
>>prolonging this whole sorry period for Iraq. Is this whole thing
>>blown out of proportion, I don't know. A complete, unhindered,
>>inspection of Iraq's military resources would likely result in at
>>least some confidence that Saddam's ability to wage war against his
>>neighbors is minimized. Lifting of the embargo was tied to
>>inspection. What secrets could Saddam have that he could invoke to
>>justify stopping full inspection and relieve the suffering? He's
>>playing games on the world stage, distracting attention from his lack
>>of leadership and nation building skills.
>>
>>He fought a war, he lost, he's trying to save face, his people are
>>paying for it, he'll lose again.
>>
>>CB
>>
>There is no reason except pure "hatred" of Arabs to advocate
>this kind of bombing.
What kind of bombing? Oh, you mean selected bombing to damage military
and communications targets, with the goal of encouraging less
dangerous means of limiting Saddams war making ability. Or are
Saddam's gas and biological weapons just for use on local
peasants...as in the past? Your reply is weak, ignores valid points,
resorts to an apologist's typical non-logical, histrionic, red herring
replys.
>He has cooperated with the UN
>inspections
Not 'fully' and not until the UN says he has. They haven't.
> but our "Policy People" in the Department of
>State (the "witch" Albright) will accept nothing but
>military action.
She refuses to 'dance' to Saddams tune, so all of Saddams apoligists
will have to go to work on her. That is the only recourse left at
this point. The 'game' is over. If you and the other apoligists want
to save Saddam, you better start digging new, deep, palaces (unless
you can come up with better logical reasons not to proceed with
de-piggyfying Iraq).
>France, Russia, China & all the Arab
>countries are in disagreement with HER!
Chamberland wannabe's
>So what is her reason? It's pure phoney pro-Israeli
>"hatred" of Arabs.
Nope, we have good relations with plenty of 'Arab' countries. You, by
the way, are speaking as a racist to suggest that all 'Arabs' think,
act, and are alike. Each 'Arab' country has its own needs, goals, and
wants. You do not speak for 'Arabs'! You speak for yourself, no one
has appointed you the leader, or spokesperson, for any group except
perhaps the 'Saddam apologist' group (you might want to produce some
posters and badges, 10 will do).
> That is all I can think.
I'm sure that's all you can think...resorting to unverifiable
ramblings and generalizations was your last bulwark against the more
likely facts of the Iraq situation (unless you wish to go completely
senseless at this point and start spewing profanities or somesuch).
>The others
>all want to lift the embargo. That is what is causing all
>the problem. She will not get off her "hard-line"
>"pro-Israli" policies.
> yasmin2
Not so much pro-Israli, as anti-Saddam. Introducing the 'Israli'
factor throughout your ramblings has not obscured Saddam's past
actions. His actions exist separatly from other political realities.
I grant you that Israli influence in the U.S. is strong, that is not
the reason for intolerence of Saddam. He worked for it and has earned
it.
I would like to see the embargo lifted. Perhaps that will happen
after the next military action or completion of a VERY complete
inspection of Iraq.
CB
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Mary E Knadler (yas...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: Are you an Iraqi citizens or emigree from Iraq, Mr. Razouqi
: or are you an Iranian? If you are an Iranian I understand that
: you are therefore not an Arabic person. So why are you trying to
: intervene in an Arabic country. Your own country of Iran is
: on the terrorist list of the US.
:))) ohhhhhhh you are getting desperate !!!! no I am not an Iranian, and
no I am not an Iraqi, but I am an arab. I am from Kuwait, and Iraq's
affairs concerns me since we are neighbors. I believe that I care about
what happens to Iraq & the ordinary innocent Iraqi more than you do. At
least I don't support someone like saddam & his regime and try to keep
them in power, like you do.
But its interesting that you did not answer my question to you ?????
and I ask you the same question again, and I hope you have the courage to
answer it !! what is your view of saddam & his regime ?
Which Iraq do you really support; saddam's Iraq or the ordinary oppressed
Iraqi's Iraq ?? what have you done & said to help the ordinary innocent
Iraqi ?? do you support the freedom of the Iraqis from their regime....
Qutaiba
--
Qutaiba Razouqi -------...@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu----------------------
"If patience is a virtue, and ignorance is bliss, |
you can have a pretty good life |
if you're stupid and willing to wait" |
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mary E Knadler
In <6am26t$4...@news.asu.edu> qut...@imap2.asu.edu writes:
>
>no$d...@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>
>: this kind of bombing. He has cooperated with the UN
>: inspections, but our "Policy People" in the Department of
>
>Who said so !!!!?? saddam & his regime has not fullfilled the UN
resolutions
>and did not fully cooperate with the inspectors. Don't shift away from
>the truth..saddam & his regime want to build their mass distruction
weapons
>regime are the main reason behinde the problems in our region.
>
>: So what is her reason? It's pure phoney pro-Israeli
>: "hatred" of Arabs. That is all I can think. The others
>: all want to lift the embargo. That is what is causing all
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ????
>who said so ??????? who are the others who want to end the sanctions
>against saddam's Iraq ????? China, France, Russia, have supported all
of
>the UN resolutions :)
>
>: the problem. She will not get off her "hard-line"
>: "pro-Israli" policies.
>
>:))) its so typical pathetic arguement........instead of telling the
>truth and blaming the real reason behinde the suffering of the
ordinary
>innocent Iraqi (which is saddam)...bring up the issue of israel to
gather
>supprot for your weak points !!! how typical.......you remind me of
>saddam's media :)
>
>Woow saddam's supporters are getting desprate in their arguements :)
and
>it goes to show how weak their case is.................
>
>
>Qutaiba
>--
>Qutaiba Razouqi
-------...@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu----------------------
> "If patience is a virtue, and ignorance is bliss, |
> you can have a pretty good life |
> if you're stupid and willing to
wait" |
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
Sir, I would suggest you read the papers. The French & Russians
do want to lift the sanctions. They have said Iraq needs to see a
light at the end of the tunnel.
Mrs. Albright will not hear of this. Why? Do you have any REAL
reason other than her pro-Israli bias preventing her from
seeing she is on the wrong track.
Former advisor Brezinski on Crossfire several weeks ago,
said that it would be a mistake to bomb Iraq & would not
accomplish anything. In fact it would hurt us especially
in the Arab world. They have tried this before
Ir is just either pure frustration at him or hatred of
Arabs that is driving this.
If the other nations do not see this threat, where do
we get our info from?
Wise up & read something other than the Pro-Israeli
press.
yasmin2
Mary E Knadler
In <6ana68$6...@camel20.mindspring.com>
nospamm_c...@mindspring.com (CB) writes:
>
>yas...@ix.netcom.com(Mary E Knadler) wrote:
>snip
>>>
>>>Saturation bombing?....very inefficient. The explosives will be
flown
>>>through selected doorways. Hopefully the correct doors will be
>>>selected.
>>>
>>>Not a general butchery...the target would be a single piggie.
>>>
>>>Saddam is calling this tune, and he's playing it for the master of
>>>manipulation that he is. He knows what is required, he has the
>>>ability to end his peoples suffering. He is, for whatever reasons,
>>>prolonging this whole sorry period for Iraq. Is this whole thing
>>>blown out of proportion, I don't know. A complete, unhindered,
>>>inspection of Iraq's military resources would likely result in at
>>>least some confidence that Saddam's ability to wage war against his
>>>neighbors is minimized. Lifting of the embargo was tied to
>>>inspection. What secrets could Saddam have that he could invoke to
>>>justify stopping full inspection and relieve the suffering? He's
>>>playing games on the world stage, distracting attention from his
lack
>>>of leadership and nation building skills.
>>>
>>>He fought a war, he lost, he's trying to save face, his people are
>>>paying for it, he'll lose again.
>>>
>>>CB
>>>
>
>>this kind of bombing.
>
LISTEN TO THIS:
From today's papers.
Clinton warns Saddam of "devasting strike"
Nuclear attack possible unless inspections resume.
For the first time since the Gulf War, the Pentagon
also refused to rule out using nuclear warheads to attack
underground bunkers where the Iraqi leader may have
buried "Scud" rockets & stockpiles of chemical
& biological weapons.
Is this the act of a desparate man or not? These
people are insane---USING NUCLEAR WARHEADS.
yasmin2
CB
yas...@ix.netcom.com(Mary E Knadler) wrote:
>LISTEN TO THIS:
>From today's papers.
>Clinton warns Saddam of "devasting strike"
>Nuclear attack possible unless inspections resume.
>For the first time since the Gulf War, the Pentagon
>also refused to rule out using nuclear warheads to attack
>underground bunkers where the Iraqi leader may have
>buried "Scud" rockets & stockpiles of chemical
>& biological weapons.
>Is this the act of a desparate man or not? These
>people are insane---USING NUCLEAR WARHEADS.
> yasmin2
What papers?
First of all, never say never. No military power would tie their own
hands without knowing the situation at hand. There are certainly
scenarios which could provoke a nuclear attack from a world power
having such weapons. Otherwise....why have them?
Second of all, warning someone of a possible 'devastating attack' is
more than fair...if it is indeed a possibility. The devastation would
be to some Saddam pet project, military or communication site, or
'Palace', but not likely civilians. Since Saddam doesn't care 2 cents
about the civilians, what leverage is there in threatening them?
Yup, nuclear weapons are insane. Not using them is a civilized goal.
The scary thing about Saddam is....he seems to be willing to use
whatever he can get his hands on if he thinks he can get away with it.
The U.S. is in the process of convincing Saddam that he will get away
with very little.
CB
Sid Al-Omari
Gary wrote:
>
> If you had been reading this womans previous posts you would know the
> real motive behind her defending Iraq.
> She is a anti semite. She will lie, make false accusations, repeat
> anything that makes Israel look bad. Her support for Iraq is based in
> her hate for Jews. If you bring up the fact that Saddam Insane gassed
> his own people she simply ignores it and refuses to answer.
> She is truly nuts.
First of all, what do you mean anti semite???. since when did the Arabs
become part of the aryan race!! do you actually know what anti semite
means or is this what they teach you in school to say every time you are
stuck without a solution.. Yasmin is talking to a fellow arab, whether
they agree or disagree is besides the fact that they are arabs and will
always share a common background. unfortuantly for the arabs these have
been hard times, and the finest hour has yet to come, when we all mature
and share a common goal!
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: Sir, I would suggest you read the papers. The French & Russians
: do want to lift the sanctions. They have said Iraq needs to see a
: light at the end of the tunnel.
Well ok they said that Iraq should see a light at the end of the
tunnel...soo ??? and do you honestly believe that these countries care about
the ordinary Iraqi ??? do you believe that these countries don't have
relations with Israel ????? are you naive or playing stupid............!!
: Mrs. Albright will not hear of this. Why? Do you have any REAL
: reason other than her pro-Israli bias preventing her from
: seeing she is on the wrong track.
The issue here is saddam's Iraq which keeps threatening its neighbors.
This is a fact that you can't deny. Now whether this lady is pro-Israel
or not, does not change the fact the saddam & his regime are destroying
their country and people as they always did. Also they keep threatening
other countries !! so they should be stoped.....
Now if you want to talk about the real motives behinde Albright's
position, that is a totally different issue, since most people agree that
saddam's Iraq is a threat to the region, and that threat should be
eliminated.
: Former advisor Brezinski on Crossfire several weeks ago,
: said that it would be a mistake to bomb Iraq & would not
: accomplish anything. In fact it would hurt us especially
: in the Arab world. They have tried this before
: Ir is just either pure frustration at him or hatred of
: Arabs that is driving this.
listen, I am don't like to see Iraq destroyed or bombed, but I support 100%
the elimination of saddam's threats, and if it takes boming his strategic
millitary instalations and suspected hidden weapons sites, then be it.
: If the other nations do not see this threat, where do
: we get our info from?
Who told you that other countries don't see Iraq as a threat ?????
they do but most are willing to do something about it......
: Wise up & read something other than the Pro-Israeli
: press.
Again and I said this before but as usuall you chose to ignore it for
convenience !!!! I don't really depend on your media to get my
information about you beloved hero saddam !!!
So I think you need to listen to your own advice and admit the fact that
saddam *& his regime should be fought, and people like you should
concentrate their effort in helping the Iraqis gettng rid of their
nightmare; saddam & his regime.
--
Qutaiba Razouqi -------...@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu----------------------
"If patience is a virtue, and ignorance is bliss, |
you can have a pretty good life |
if you're stupid and willing to wait" |
------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Shoe
Notice that Sad Ham's supporters shoot their little barbs not in Iraq
itself but in "evil" countries like the United States. Question to Sad Ham
Supporter: "Why don't you move to Iraq?" Answer "I might lose my
objectivity".
Missiles away, missiles away. Burn his mustache.
The Shoe
The attitude expressed below explains why the Arab world is so decadent.
Why they turn tail and run in battle. Why they talk, talk, talk, talk but
never do anything. I remember when the Palestinians retreated back into a
port and the evil, satanic western states had to send ships to rescue the
scared rats. Arafat said something about making it an "alamo". When the
reporter pressed him, he, of course, backed off.
The Arabs will never have an alamo. They are cowards. "Do you support..."
the camel jockey asks. You enjoy freedom in this land today because people
paid for it with their lives. They never asked for evacuation ships nor did
they spend their days whining and crying.
Important: I am not talking about Moslems, just Arabs. The Germans found
out in WW2 that Pakistanis fight like dragons. (Italian campaign)
The Shoe
Atomic weapons do not hold a candle to the cruelty behind the use of
chemical and biological weapons. Atomic weapons have as a first priority
the destruction of facilities. Chemical and biological have one purpose and
one purpose only. To inflict death and suffering on human beings.
I say Nuke first.
firefly
If she is nuts, then you must be double nuts.
George
Dan
what have you done & said to help the ordinary innocent
>Iraqi ?? do you support the freedom of the Iraqis from their regime....
I helped make the bombs that are going to send Saddam to hell!!
Dan
Dan
In the Arab culture they feel it is braver of him to stand up
to the "Great Satan" US than to back down from a dangerous
situation. He would lose face. When they see the devastation
our bombs cause they blame the US not their brave Leader
who stood up to greater forces.
Unfortunately our policy experts in the Department of State
seem not to understand this as yet.
He was not blamed for losing the Gulf War. He became a hero
to his own people by standing up to our threats. They look at
leaders completely differently them we do in the US.
yasmin2
How much face do they loose when crawling out of bunkers and kissing the
boots of those who captured them?
Sounds like a very brave man to me. The Great Satan Saddam kills his own
people, using some of the most horrible weapons know to man, commits the
biggest terror crime by lighting the oil wells of Kuwait as he turned tail
and ran away, leaving his forces to die. This so called man has no face, he
is a coward that has hidden behind women and children. If he became a hero
to his own people, than they deserve what fate is in store for them. The
germans liked hitler too, didn't make him any better, just justified his
murder of innocents. Saddam will meet die in 98 an burn in hell for
eternity. We should declare a "holy war" on Saddam, meaning he should look
outside his bunker and the last words heard from him should be "holy shit".
Dan
gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com
yas...@ix.netcom.com(Mary E Knadler) wrote:
>In <6am26t$4...@news.asu.edu> qut...@imap2.asu.edu writes:
>>
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>>Distribution:
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>>Mary E Knadler (yas...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>>
>>Woow saddam's supporters are getting desprate in their arguements :)
>and
>>it goes to show how weak their case is.................
>>
>>
>>Qutaiba
>>--
>>Qutaiba Razouqi
>-------...@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu----------------------
>> "If patience is a virtue, and ignorance is bliss, |
>> you can have a pretty good life |
>> if you're stupid and willing to
>wait" |
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>-
>Sir, I would suggest you read the papers. The French & Russians
>do want to lift the sanctions. They have said Iraq needs to see a
>light at the end of the tunnel.
Mary is rabid over Iraq again. Now Mary are you willing to lift
sanctions on Cuba? Cuba is far more peaceful than Iraq has ever
thought of being but yet we maintain a blockcade against this small
island nation.
>Mrs. Albright will not hear of this. Why? Do you have any REAL
>reason other than her pro-Israli bias preventing her from
>seeing she is on the wrong track.
Well are you willing to lift the snactions against Cuba?
>Former advisor Brezinski on Crossfire several weeks ago,
>said that it would be a mistake to bomb Iraq & would not
>accomplish anything. In fact it would hurt us especially
>in the Arab world. They have tried this before
>Ir is just either pure frustration at him or hatred of
>Arabs that is driving this.
>If the other nations do not see this threat, where do
>we get our info from?
>Wise up & read something other than the Pro-Israeli
>press.
> yasmin2
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Let The White Rose enlighten you.
http://prairie.lakes.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
gdy weasel
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McGilvray explaining that he would spit on Vietanm Vets if the differ on his political outlook:
>The vets who went to Vietnam took risk, and if you stop hiding behind the VVAW,
>your little heroes of the days of rage are all phoneys-I spit on them.
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>Mary E Knadler (yas...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: Are you an Iraqi citizens or emigree from Iraq, Mr. Razouqi
>: or are you an Iranian? If you are an Iranian I understand that
>: you are therefore not an Arabic person. So why are you trying to
>: intervene in an Arabic country. Your own country of Iran is
>: on the terrorist list of the US.
>:))) ohhhhhhh you are getting desperate !!!! no I am not an Iranian, and
>no I am not an Iraqi, but I am an arab. I am from Kuwait, and Iraq's
>affairs concerns me since we are neighbors. I believe that I care about
>what happens to Iraq & the ordinary innocent Iraqi more than you do. At
>least I don't support someone like saddam & his regime and try to keep
>them in power, like you do.
>But its interesting that you did not answer my question to you ?????
>and I ask you the same question again, and I hope you have the courage to
>answer it !! what is your view of saddam & his regime ?
>Which Iraq do you really support; saddam's Iraq or the ordinary oppressed
>Iraqi's Iraq ?? what have you done & said to help the ordinary innocent
>Iraqi ?? do you support the freedom of the Iraqis from their regime....
Sir you are dealing with a crazy woman, logic is not her strong point.
>Qutaiba
>--
>Qutaiba Razouqi -------...@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu----------------------
> "If patience is a virtue, and ignorance is bliss, |
> you can have a pretty good life |
> if you're stupid and willing to wait" |
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mary E Knadler
In <6ao6aa$i...@camel15.mindspring.com>
nospamm_c...@mindspring.com (CB) writes:
>
>yas...@ix.netcom.com(Mary E Knadler) wrote:
>
>>LISTEN TO THIS:
>>From today's papers.
>
>>Clinton warns Saddam of "devasting strike"
>
>>Nuclear attack possible unless inspections resume.
>>For the first time since the Gulf War, the Pentagon
>>also refused to rule out using nuclear warheads to attack
>>underground bunkers where the Iraqi leader may have
>>buried "Scud" rockets & stockpiles of chemical
>>& biological weapons.
>
>>Is this the act of a desparate man or not? These
>>people are insane---USING NUCLEAR WARHEADS.
>
>
>> yasmin2
>
>What papers?
>
>First of all, never say never. No military power would tie their own
>hands without knowing the situation at hand. There are certainly
>scenarios which could provoke a nuclear attack from a world power
>having such weapons. Otherwise....why have them?
>
>Second of all, warning someone of a possible 'devastating attack' is
>more than fair...if it is indeed a possibility. The devastation would
>be to some Saddam pet project, military or communication site, or
>'Palace', but not likely civilians. Since Saddam doesn't care 2 cents
>about the civilians, what leverage is there in threatening them?
>
>The scary thing about Saddam is....he seems to be willing to use
>whatever he can get his hands on if he thinks he can get away with it.
>The U.S. is in the process of convincing Saddam that he will get away
>with very little.
>
>
They should have learned that threatening Saddam does not work.
Mary E Knadler
In <6aocnv$3...@news.asu.edu> qut...@imap2.asu.edu writes:
>
> <6am26t$4...@news.asu.edu> <6ao2nt$b...@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com>>: Sir, I would suggest you read the papers. The French & Russians
>: do want to lift the sanctions. They have said Iraq needs to see a
>: light at the end of the tunnel.
>
>tunnel...soo ??? and do you honestly believe that these countries care
about
>the ordinary Iraqi ??? do you believe that these countries don't have
>relations with Israel ????? are you naive or playing
stupid............!!
>
>: reason other than her pro-Israli bias preventing her from
>: seeing she is on the wrong track.
>
>This is a fact that you can't deny. Now whether this lady is
pro-Israel
>or not, does not change the fact the saddam & his regime are
destroying
>their country and people as they always did. Also they keep
threatening
>other countries !! so they should be stoped.....
>
>Now if you want to talk about the real motives behinde Albright's
>position, that is a totally different issue, since most people agree
that
>saddam's Iraq is a threat to the region, and that threat should be
>eliminated.
>
>: Former advisor Brezinski on Crossfire several weeks ago,
>: said that it would be a mistake to bomb Iraq & would not
>: accomplish anything. In fact it would hurt us especially
>: in the Arab world. They have tried this before
>: Ir is just either pure frustration at him or hatred of
>: Arabs that is driving this.
>
>listen, I am don't like to see Iraq destroyed or bombed, but I support
100%
>the elimination of saddam's threats, and if it takes boming his
strategic
>millitary instalations and suspected hidden weapons sites, then be it.
>
>: If the other nations do not see this threat, where do
>: we get our info from?
>
>Who told you that other countries don't see Iraq as a threat ?????
>they do but most are willing to do something about it......
>
>: Wise up & read something other than the Pro-Israeli
>: press.
>
>Again and I said this before but as usuall you chose to ignore it for
>convenience !!!! I don't really depend on your media to get my
>information about you beloved hero saddam !!!
>
>So I think you need to listen to your own advice and admit the fact
that
>saddam *& his regime should be fought, and people like you should
>concentrate their effort in helping the Iraqis gettng rid of their
>nightmare; saddam & his regime.
>
>--
>Qutaiba Razouqi
-------...@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu----------------------
> "If patience is a virtue, and ignorance is bliss, |
> you can have a pretty good life |
> if you're stupid and willing to
wait" |
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
Sorry, I do not agree with you. You refuse to agree with
the fact that these other countries do not want military
action against Iraq & do want the sanctions lifted so these
people can live with food & medicine.
I do not know where you are from or what media you claim
you get your info from. But it is inaccurate & very
damaging to that region. Why do you want to see more
people killed. And the use of NUCLEAR warheads is just
crazy.
yasmin2
CB
yas...@ix.netcom.com(Mary E Knadler) wrote:
>They should have learned that threatening Saddam does not work.
>In the Arab culture they feel it is braver of him to stand up
>to the "Great Satan" US than to back down from a dangerous
>situation. He would lose face. When they see the devastation
>our bombs cause they blame the US not their brave Leader
>who stood up to greater forces.
>Unfortunately our policy experts in the Department of State
>seem not to understand this as yet.
>He was not blamed for losing the Gulf War. He became a hero
>to his own people by standing up to our threats. They look at
>leaders completely differently them we do in the US.
> yasmin2
I suspect you speak the truth.
I think the Washington policy people do understand this and the
Europeans do not. That's why they are winding down 'talking' and will
probably move to bombing. As you say, Saddam will probably not take
any great political hit in Iraq, and may actually gain, somehow, in
stature. But.....what a costly 'victory' over the 'Great Satin'.
Many more victories like that, and Saddam will be selling sand.
'Counting Coo' (spelling?) is a fine thing, but I believe you're
supposed to live to fight another day, but I may be wrong.
CB
firefly
Dan
What you are NAZI. Maybe, you need some of
this bombing, you moron.I know, every ARAB
is bad according to your standard.Jordan,Syria,S.Arabia,Iran,Iraq,Lybia ,
Lebanon, this are the bad countries. Who is
good for you? I was i Vietnam, I know what War
is.
George
firefly
Dan
One day the bomb will come to you.
George
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> Mary E Knadler (yas...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> Well ok they said that Iraq should see a light at the end of the
> tunnel...soo ??? and do you honestly believe that these countries care
about
> the ordinary Iraqi ??? do you believe that these countries don't have
> relations with Israel ????? are you naive or playing stupid............!!
No they don't.....and thats the truth...and I sak you do you think
that the US went to war against Iraq because they cared about
the Kuawties....
> The issue here is saddam's Iraq which keeps threatening its neighbors.
> This is a fact that you can't deny. Now whether this lady is pro-Israel
> or not, does not change the fact the saddam & his regime are destroying
> their country and people as they always did. Also they keep threatening
> other countries !! so they should be stoped.....
Ok lets see....when he was at war with iran the US helped him,
when he gassed and massecured the Kurds No one gave a shit
....but when he invaded Kuawit....he was the devil himself...
hmmmm? interesting.....
>
> Now if you want to talk about the real motives behinde Albright's
> position, that is a totally different issue, since most people agree that
> saddam's Iraq is a threat to the region, and that threat should be
> eliminated.
I'm just wondering where this kind of talk was before he invaded Kuawit,
and before they knew he hade wopeans which could reach isreal.
> listen, I am don't like to see Iraq destroyed or bombed, but I support
100%
> the elimination of saddam's threats, and if it takes boming his strategic
> millitary instalations and suspected hidden weapons sites, then be it.
Elimination of Saddam you must be joking.....then why the hell didn't
the US do that during the Gulf, let me give you a hint the republican
guards, why were they spared???? when every one knows that the
republican guards are the back bone of Saddam Hussain, take them out
and he will fall.....why was the regulare army being bombed to hell when
your gouvernment knew that it was people who didn't want to bee there
but were draged out in the midle of the night in front of their families
and froced to the front line, while the republican guards were behind
them waiting to shoot anybody who tried to retreat or disert......
every Iraqy soldier I have talked to have said the same thing why
didn't the allais take out the republican guards when they knew
the regular army would surender imidiatly and their would't have to
be a war or saddam after that? I wonder why.
why don't they still take out the repulican guards????
or why did the US turn their backs on the Kurds and shiaits when the
rebeld against Saddam after promisis by your gouvernment to help
them get rid of his regime ......they didn't just turn their backs on
those people but they gave the Iraqy gouvernment permition to use
helicopter gunships to put down the rebelion, the result over 150 thousend
civlians massicured....how could you say the iraqy people want
Saddam when they have rebeled against him 100 of time
were hundered of thousends of solderes, generels, oppsitions and
civilians have been hanged, tortured and imprisoned both befor
the Gulf war and afte,r with out any one supporting them.....
Do you want me to give a hint ?
how about that the US would'nt have military baises in that regone
if Saddam went and we know how much the US wants baises in
the Gulf.
or how about those arab countrias in the gulf wouldn't buy
US military for billions of dollers each year if there isn't a
devel like Saddam....
or how about.....well I guess no point on going on , I think is't
a little abviouse why the US would benefit from having Saddam
don't you?
> Who told you that other countries don't see Iraq as a threat ?????
> they do but most are willing to do something about it......
>
Here is a nother point for your brain......the cost of the whole
Gulf war was paid for by Kuawit and Saudi, I mean they paid
what ever it cost the US....
Sorry if we are not as stupid as you like us to be......
> Again and I said this before but as usuall you chose to ignore it for
> convenience !!!! I don't really depend on your media to get my
> information about you beloved hero saddam !!!
Please stop yuor bullshit.....
> So I think you need to listen to your own advice and admit the fact that
> saddam *& his regime should be fought, and people like you should
> concentrate their effort in helping the Iraqis gettng rid of their
> nightmare; saddam & his regime.
>
> --
> Qutaiba Razouqi -------...@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu----------------------
> "If patience is a virtue, and ignorance is bliss, |
> you can have a pretty good life |
> if you're stupid and willing to wait" |
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
Mary E Knadler
In <6ap461$a...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> "Dan"
<ai...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>
>In the Arab culture they feel it is braver of him to stand up
>to the "Great Satan" US than to back down from a dangerous
>situation. He would lose face. When they see the devastation
>our bombs cause they blame the US not their brave Leader
>who stood up to greater forces.
>
>Unfortunately our policy experts in the Department of State
>seem not to understand this as yet.
>
>He was not blamed for losing the Gulf War. He became a hero
>to his own people by standing up to our threats. They look at
>leaders completely differently them we do in the US.
>
> yasmin2
>
the
>boots of those who captured them?
>Sounds like a very brave man to me. The Great Satan Saddam kills his
own
>people, using some of the most horrible weapons know to man, commits
the
>biggest terror crime by lighting the oil wells of Kuwait as he turned
tail
>and ran away, leaving his forces to die. This so called man has no
face, he
hero
Mary E Knadler
there, aren't you. You aren't a member of the Mossad by any chance, or
are you?
If not perhaps you should at least consider moving to Israel
where they share those exact same feelings. I don't.
I'm planning a trip to Istanbul & the Eastern Mediterranian
later this year & I would prefer not to have a terrorist bomb
on my plane, curtesey of folks like you & your friends.
yasmin2
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Mary E Knadler (yas...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: They should have learned that threatening Saddam does not work.
: In the Arab culture they feel it is braver of him to stand up
: to the "Great Satan" US than to back down from a dangerous
: situation. He would lose face. When they see the devastation
: our bombs cause they blame the US not their brave Leader
: who stood up to greater forces.
: Unfortunately our policy experts in the Department of State
: seem not to understand this as yet.
: He was not blamed for losing the Gulf War. He became a hero
: to his own people by standing up to our threats. They look at
: leaders completely differently them we do in the US.
: yasmin2
Yasmin..where do you get your information about the ordinary Iraqi, and
arab's view of saddam & his regime ??????
All what you are saying is not true......no one who is descent at least
in our region (regardless of nationality) respects saddam or thinks of
him as a hero :) No one........unless you are taking your information
from saddam's newspapers, then thats different :)
So please don't talk on behalf of the arabs and claim that he is a hero
in their eyes........!!!
Qutaiba
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Dan (ai...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: In the Arab culture they feel it is braver of him to stand up
: to the "Great Satan" US than to back down from a dangerous
: situation. He would lose face. When they see the devastation
: our bombs cause they blame the US not their brave Leader
: who stood up to greater forces.
This crap about him standing up to the US was created by his supporters
in the Iraq and the arab world. Did you see the intereview of his former
army general "wafieq Al-Samerai" ???? this guy was in charge during the war.
Did you hear what he said about saddam & his position during the war ??
how brave he was !!! :)
That will tell you how brave and strong he was in standing up to the "big
sattan" :)) this word BTW was given to the US by Iran not the arabs
....so its interesting that you are using it to characterize what the
arabs think of the US !!!
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Mary E Knadler (yas...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: I do not know where you are from or what media you claim
: you get your info from. But it is inaccurate & very
: damaging to that region. Why do you want to see more
: people killed. And the use of NUCLEAR warheads is just
: crazy.
: yasmin2
I some how expected you to answer this way :)
You decided to ignore my questions to you, and started puting words in my
mouth too !!
Where did I say that I would like to see more people killed ?? and where
did I support the use of Nuclear weapons ???
Also I don't think what I am saying is very damaging to our region, cuz I
live in it and it matters to me more that it matters to you. The truth is
that your support to saddam & his regime is far more damaging to our
region than anything else. The region has been in trouble since this
regime came to power, and became more unstablle since saddam took charge
in Iraq.
So what do you think is more damaging : my call for helping the ordinary
innocent Iraqi and helping them to get rid of saddam, or your call for
the strengthining of saddam & his regime ???
Think about it !!!!
Qutaiba
gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com
yas...@ix.netcom.com(Mary E Knadler) wrote:
>In <6ap461$a...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> "Dan"
><ai...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>>
>>In the Arab culture they feel it is braver of him to stand up
>>to the "Great Satan" US than to back down from a dangerous
>>situation. He would lose face. When they see the devastation
>>our bombs cause they blame the US not their brave Leader
>>who stood up to greater forces.
>>
>>Unfortunately our policy experts in the Department of State
>>seem not to understand this as yet.
>>
>>He was not blamed for losing the Gulf War. He became a hero
>>to his own people by standing up to our threats. They look at
>>leaders completely differently them we do in the US.
>>
>> yasmin2
>>
>>How much face do they loose when crawling out of bunkers and kissing
>the
>>boots of those who captured them?
>>Sounds like a very brave man to me. The Great Satan Saddam kills his
>own
>>people, using some of the most horrible weapons know to man, commits
>the
>>biggest terror crime by lighting the oil wells of Kuwait as he turned
>tail
>>and ran away, leaving his forces to die. This so called man has no
>face, he
>>is a coward that has hidden behind women and children. If he became a
>hero
>>to his own people, than they deserve what fate is in store for them.
>The
>>germans liked hitler too, didn't make him any better, just justified
>his
>>murder of innocents. Saddam will meet die in 98 an burn in hell for
>>eternity. We should declare a "holy war" on Saddam, meaning he should
>look
>>outside his bunker and the last words heard from him should be "holy
>shit".
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>
>My, what a peace loving person you must be. Really out for blood
>there, aren't you. You aren't a member of the Mossad by any chance, or
>are you?
>If not perhaps you should at least consider moving to Israel
>where they share those exact same feelings. I don't.
>I'm planning a trip to Istanbul & the Eastern Mediterranian
>later this year & I would prefer not to have a terrorist bomb
>on my plane, curtesey of folks like you & your friends.
please, please Mary buy one way tickets.
> yasmin2
Mary E Knadler
In <6anp4e$q...@news.asu.edu> qut...@imap2.asu.edu writes:
>
>-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>
>Qutaiba
>--
>Qutaiba Razouqi
-------...@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu----------------------
> "If patience is a virtue, and ignorance is bliss, |
> you can have a pretty good life |
> if you're stupid and willing to
wait" |
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
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You do not allow political freedom in Kuwait at all so why
are you concerned about the citizens in Iraq. You threw out
all the Palestinians & made them refugees. You do not let
them become citizens of your country. You only used them for
servants for the wealthy.
I think the Baath Party has done more for the Iraqi people
than your Emir in Kuwait did for your people.
yasmin2
The Shoe
You say this like you are proud of a decadent race of people who lack the
courage to overthrow tyranny. He did not become a hero for "standing up".
He remains a hero because the Iraqui people are fools. Sad Ham does not
concern himself with the deaths of his people; therefore the Gulf War did
not bother him in the least. Another half million deaths will bug him even
less. Go kiss your hero Sad Ham's feet and hands.
The Shoe
No crazier than using chemical warfare as Sad Ham did against the Iranians.
Mary E Knadler
In <6apsrd$g...@camel21.mindspring.com>
nospamm_c...@mindspring.com (CB) writes:
>yas...@ix.netcom.com(Mary E Knadler) wrote:
>>They should have learned that threatening Saddam does not work.
>>to the "Great Satan" US than to back down from a dangerous
>>situation. He would lose face. When they see the devastation
>>our bombs cause they blame the US not their brave Leader
>>who stood up to greater forces.
>
>>Unfortunately our policy experts in the Department of State
>>seem not to understand this as yet.
>
>>to his own people by standing up to our threats. They look at
>>leaders completely differently them we do in the US.
>
>
>I suspect you speak the truth.
>
>I think the Washington policy people do understand this and the
>Europeans do not. That's why they are winding down 'talking' and will
>probably move to bombing. As you say, Saddam will probably not take
>any great political hit in Iraq, and may actually gain, somehow, in
>stature. But.....what a costly 'victory' over the 'Great Satin'.
>Many more victories like that, and Saddam will be selling sand.
>
>'Counting Coo' (spelling?) is a fine thing, but I believe you're
>supposed to live to fight another day, but I may be wrong.
>
>CB
>
You should become more knowledgable about the Arab world
before you become so certain that Clinton's policies are right.
I just head in the news that the Arab League, made of 2l
Arab countires are vehemently against military action. Also
Egypt is very strongly against any action.
Also France. Russia & China all see no reason for military
action. So who do you think has all the correct facts.
Only Ms. Albright & Tony Blair seem to be in favor.
I think those odds illustrate very clearly that it is
either a diversionary tactic or else a pro-Israeli bias.
yasmin2
dthwsh
CB wrote in message <6apsrd$g...@camel21.mindspring.com>...
>yas...@ix.netcom.com(Mary E Knadler) wrote:
>>They should have learned that threatening Saddam does not work.
>>In the Arab culture they feel it is braver of him to stand up
>>to the "Great Satan" US than to back down from a dangerous
>>situation. He would lose face. When they see the devastation
>>our bombs cause they blame the US not their brave Leader
>>who stood up to greater forces.
>
>>Unfortunately our policy experts in the Department of State
>>seem not to understand this as yet.
>
>>He was not blamed for losing the Gulf War. He became a hero
>>to his own people by standing up to our threats. They look at
>>leaders completely differently them we do in the US.
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>> yasmin2
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>I suspect you speak the truth.
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>I think the Washington policy people do understand this and the
>Europeans do not. That's why they are winding down 'talking' and will
>probably move to bombing. As you say, Saddam will probably not take
>any great political hit in Iraq, and may actually gain, somehow, in
>stature. But.....what a costly 'victory' over the 'Great Satin'.
>Many more victories like that, and Saddam will be selling sand.
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>'Counting Coo' (spelling?) is a fine thing, but I believe you're
>supposed to live to fight another day, but I may be wrong.
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>CB
PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE, it is called OIL.>