Re: The much touted "surge" is still a failure. Main objective not met.
_ Prof. Jonez _
> August 6, 2008
>
> Iraqi parliament fails to agree on election law
>
> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
>
> Filed at 3:34 p.m. ET
>
> BAGHDAD (AP) -- Iraqi lawmakers failed Wednesday to agree on a
> provincial election law and adjourned for the month, casting doubt
> whether U.S.-backed balloting can be held this year in the country's
> 18 provinces.
> Parliament did manage to sign off on a $21 billion supplemental
> budget, a move the Iraqis hope will ease U.S. congressional criticism
> that they aren't paying their fair share of Iraq's reconstruction at
> a time of economic hardship in the United States.
>
> But the inability to approve the election bill dealt a setback to
> U.S. hopes for reconciliation among Iraq's rival communities despite
> the decline in violence.
>
> President Bush had telephoned Iraqi leaders several times over the
> past week urging them to reach agreement so elections could proceed
> by the end of the year.
>
> The bill failed because Kurds, Arabs and Turkomen were unable to come
> to terms on a power-sharing deal for the multiethnic region around
> the city of Kirkuk, the center of Iraq's northern oil fields.
>
> Kurds consider Kirkuk their ancestral capital and want to incorporate
> it into their self-ruled region in the north. Most Arabs and Turkomen
> want Kirkuk to remain under central government control.
>
> Following a Kurdish walkout, parliament approved an elections bill
> last month that would have established an ethnic quota system on the
> 41-member Kirkuk area provincial council and reduced the role of
> Kurdish security forces there.
>
> President Jalal Talabani, a Kurd, vetoed the measure as
> unconstitutional and sent it back to parliament, which convened a
> special session starting last Sunday.
>
> Since then, Iraqi lawmakers had been locked in intensive
> negotiations. When compromise appeared impossible, parliament speaker
> Mahmoud al-Mashhadani announced Wednesday that lawmakers would break
> for summer recess and then resume sessions on Sept. 9.
>
> A committee will continue negotiations over the bill during the
> recess, he added.
>
> Deputy parliamentary speaker Khalid al-Attiyah insisted the provincial
> elections could be held this year so long as the legislation is
> passed in September. But U.N. spokesman Said Arikat warned the delay
> would make ''difficult for us to hold the elections this year.''
>
> During the negotiations, the U.N. had proposed a compromise in which
> the Kirkuk vote would be postponed to allow elections to be held in
> Iraq's 17 other provinces.
>
> But the proposal also included a reference to a constitutionally
> mandated referendum on the status of Kirkuk -- which the Kurds have
> long demanded.
> That drew opposition from Turkomen and Sunni Arabs.
>
> ''Thank God, we are relieved,'' said Aydin Aksu of the Iraqi Turkomen
> Front when parliament adjourned. Aksu called the U.N. proposal ''a
> plot aimed at strengthening the Kurds further in Kirkuk.''
>
> Sunni Arab lawmaker Abdul-Karim al-Sammaraie said the status of
> Kirkuk was ''very sensitive'' because so many ethnic and religious
> groups live there and that it needed a ''special law.''
>
> Jalaluddin al-Saghir, a Shiite cleric and prominent lawmaker, accused
> some parties of using the dispute to delay the elections for
> political gain.
> ''Some of these factions do not enjoy any popularity and they wanted
> to gain voters' sympathy by raising the issue of Kirkuk,'' he said.
>
> Fouad Massoum, a senior Kurdish lawmaker, held out hope that the vote
> could still be held this year.
>
> ''We were not the reason behind delaying the election law. We support
> the idea of holding elections this year,'' he said, accusing
> al-Mashhadani of ending the session without consulting them.
>
> Kurds and their allies control the current provincial council in the
> Kirkuk area. Many Sunni Arabs boycotted the last provincial election
> in January 2005, leaving them feeling shut out of the political
> process.
> Boycotts and security problems plagued the 2005 balloting elsewhere
> in the country. U.S. officials have been pressing for new elections
> to guarantee better representations for all the country's ethnic and
> religious groups, giving them a greater stake in the political
> process.
> With violence down to its lowest level since 2004, U.S. officials
> believe the time is right for Iraqi leaders to make long-term
> power-sharing arrangements in Kirkuk and elsewhere in the country to
> cement the security gains. As a sign of better security, the U.S.
> said Iraqi troops this week seized scores of Iranian-made rockets and
> mortars in Baghdad's Sadr City district, from where Shiite militants
> hammered the Green Zone last spring.
> But the standoff over Kirkuk illustrates the challenges facing the
> different communities in setting aside their own interests for the
> national welfare.
> At the same time, the U.S. is urging the Iraqis to shoulder a greater
> share of the expense for rebuilding the country -- a move that will
> be encouraged by enactment of the $21 billion supplementary budget.
>
> Finance Minister Bayan Jabr said passage of the supplement would
> raise the overall budget to some $70 billion at a time when the
> government is flush with oil revenues. But critics have said Iraq has
> been slow to spend money allocated under previous budgets.
>
> A U.S. General Accounting Office report released Tuesday said Iraq
> could end the year with as much as a $79 billion budget surplus as
> oil revenues pile on top of leftover income.
>
> U.S. officials who work with the Iraqis on reconstruction said the
> Baghdad government has been increasing its capital spending by 30
> percent to 35 percent each year since 2006 -- although they added
> that both governments want to see the pace increased.
>
> The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because the issue is
> sensitive, said the influx of oil money had been difficult to manage,
> not only for Iraq but for other oil-producing countries.
>
> They also cited a cumbersome approval process -- put in place to curb
> corruption -- lack of expertise in the ministries and a shortage of
> Iraqi contractors capable of taking on major development projects.
>
> Since 2005, the United States has funded a number of efforts to teach
> civilian and security ministries how to execute their budgets
> effectively.
> The efforts included programs to advise and help Iraqi government
> employees develop the skills to plan programs and to deliver
> government services such as electricity, water and security.
Kerry Ladd
(snip)
Poofter Jonez?
You remind me a great joke.
I would tell it here, but you don't have the capability of
understanding it... like anything else!
Dr. Cavortian
"The new agreements will also recognize implicitly that Iraq is
unlikely to be able to defend its own borders, operate its own air
traffic control, provide logistics for its own military forces or run
its own prison system anytime soon. Iraq will delegate many of its
nominal powers back to U.S. forces 'temporarily' under these
provisions."
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"A Deal At Hand In Iraq"
By Jim Hoagland
Friday, August 8, 2008; A17
U.S. and Iraqi negotiators are days away from agreeing on an
"aspirational" date for withdrawing American combat troops from Iraq.
Barack Obama and John McCain will find language in the accord to allow
each to take credit on the campaign trail for shaping that outcome.
But the big political winner from this slimmed-down, vague agreement
on U.S. forces will be Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki -- whom
the Bush administration seriously considered pushing out of office
last year but has learned to accommodate.
Something surprising is happening to the once rigid, self-centered
George W. Bush presidency. The administration is adjusting policy to
reflect the changing political landscape of the United States -- and
of Iraq, where Maliki has emerged as the center of gravity in Shiite
politics as other leaders fail physically and politically.
Bush's desire for an enhanced legacy and a smooth transition in
Washington seems to have overcome his instinctive insistence on
deciding everything on his own principles and needs. Bush's diplomacy
in its twilight months reflects world politics as it never did before.
In finally sending a senior State Department official to Geneva last
month for nuclear talks with Iran, Bush simultaneously deprived the
Iranians of an excuse not to pursue negotiations and reduced the
saliency of Obama's campaign pledge to talk to Tehran.
About the same time, Bush reluctantly decided to allow U.S.
negotiators to set specific timetables for withdrawing combat units
from Iraq -- as Obama has demanded -- as long as they also obtained
references to the withdrawals being based on battlefield conditions,
as McCain and U.S. commanders want.
The deliberate ambiguity allows Maliki to maintain some of the future
flexibility that his own security forces want while claiming immediate
political credit for getting Washington to agree to get combat troops
out of Iraqi cities and towns on a fixed schedule.
The Iraqis' first draft mentioned 12 months, I am told, and then
shifted to 16 months. That, intentionally or otherwise, coincided with
Obama's plan, as Maliki indicated in public, and was therefore
anathema to the administration. A text of the final draft being
circulated this month showed the withdrawal period as "TBD" (to be
determined) after Bush and Maliki failed to agree to a timetable in a
telephone conversation on July 30.
The negotiating teams then went back to work on a set of documents,
which includes a memorandum of understanding, a strategic framework
statement and various side agreements. Together, these documents will
constitute what some U.S. officials characterize as a "lite" version
of the typical status-of-forces agreement.
This collective accord will recognize Iraq's sovereignty over its
territory, which is currently constrained by U.N. Security Council
resolutions that govern the presence of foreign forces in Iraq. But
the new agreements will also recognize implicitly that Iraq is
unlikely to be able to defend its own borders, operate its own air
traffic control, provide logistics for its own military forces or run
its own prison system anytime soon. Iraq will delegate many of its
nominal powers back to U.S. forces "temporarily" under these
provisions.
Similar waivers and delegations will ensure that U.S. military
personnel are not subject to Iraqi jurisdiction and will provide some
limited protection for civilian contractors, depending on what duties
they perform and for whom.
This path is fraught with the perils of misunderstanding and the
potential of double-cross. And the Bush team has made it even more
difficult by not including Congress in the shaping of the security
agreements, as many Democrats have demanded.
Iraqi politics are especially volatile at the moment. Abdul Aziz al-
Hakim, leader of the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq, which dominates
the Shiite regions of southern Iraq, is terminally ill and close to
death, according to Iraqi sources. Moqtada al-Sadr has lost control
over his Shiite movement, and a collective leadership is being formed
to replace him. (Moreover, President Jalal Talabani is in the United
States for treatment at the Mayo Clinic for an undisclosed illness
that is not life-threatening.)
Bush waited far too long to get serious about giving Iraqis control
over their country. He must now rush and take huge risks in closing
the deal with Maliki, seen today as a reborn pragmatist who spent most
of his life in a political party steeped in Stalinism and anti-Western
attitudes.
Letting Congress get an early look and shoulder more responsibility
for this accord is likely to be the smart thing, as well as the right
thing, for Bush to do.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/07/AR2008080702897.html
Felix D.
"Dr. Cavortian" <kin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> BUT ... we thought the "surge" was WORKING -- and PERMANENT!
And here's another disappointed leftie that things aren't as bad as they
want.
Read what you posted again, fool.
Truth...@nospam.net
Well gee son, it hasn't worked. The Iraqi's are not ready to take over.
Not one single milestone has been met. All we have a fewer Americna
deaths, because they are not chasing as many iraqi's and we are paying
them not to shoot us.
RD (The Sandman)
> In <-eCdnWkTstZ0AQHV...@comcast.com>, on 08/08/2008
> at 12:22 PM, "Felix D." <#1Che...@OGPU.org> said:
>
>
>
>
>>"Dr. Cavortian" <kin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:44762609-e331-46a3...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>>BUT ... we thought the "surge" was WORKING -- and PERMANENT!
>
>>And here's another disappointed leftie that things aren't as bad as
they
>>want.
>
>>Read what you posted again, fool.
>
> Well gee son, it hasn't worked. The Iraqi's are not ready to take
over.
Barack and many Dems think they are.
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
Never complain about old age......many others never had that opportunity.
Felix D.
"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Passing out lies like a Roman emperor scattering coins to the mob,
>> In <-eCdnWkTstZ0AQHV...@comcast.com>, on 08/08/2008
>> at 12:22 PM, "Felix D." <#1Che...@OGPU.org> said:
>>
>> Well gee son, it hasn't worked. The Iraqi's are not ready to take
> over.
>
> Barack and many Dems think they are.
The best proof the surge has worked in Iraq is that the press is now giving
much more play to any bad news out of Afghanistan.
Sid9
"Felix D." <#1Che...@OGPU.org> wrote in message
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The surge is a failure.
It has no succeeded in accomplishing its primary goal.
Reconciliation.
Iraq has been Balkanized
_ Prof. Jonez _
Exactly as millions of rational people, experts and nearly
every other Gov't worldwide warned BEFORE the idiot chimp Bu$h
wrecked one of the most stable, most secular, more developed nations
in the region.
The U$A *deserves* the decades of pain and suffering that Bu$h's War Crimes
will bring ....
Harry Callahan
@mid.individual.net:
Promise me that when Iraq settles down you'll drink a quart of Drano.
--
"I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to
tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But
being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and
would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I
feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?"
Sid9
"Harry Callahan" <4...@mag.num> wrote in message
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Iraq will be Balkanized...split up into at
least three or more separate entities.
Republican bush,jr will have successfully
eliminated Iran's most serious regional threat.
Felix D.
"Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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LOL! What the playbook is this from? The goal of the surge was to smash
al-Qaeda and provide security, not reconciliation.
No wonder you addle-pated lefties are going under.
Truth...@nospam.net
We're going under moron? Listen up right wing kook, this election is
the one where the people are going to take back America and throw the
right wing out of office in the largest landslide defeat of a party in
American political history.
And no son, the surge is not working. Not one milestone has been met.
We just have fewer people dying because (1), they are not out patrolling
as much out of the "safe" areas, and (2), we are paying the warlords not
to shoot as us.
Gray Ghost
Man I can't wait until November and the big leftist suicide surge.
_ Prof. Jonez _
>>> "Felix D." <#1Che...@OGPU.org> wrote in message
>>>>>> at 12:22 PM, "Felix D." <#1Che...@OGPU.org> said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well gee son, it hasn't worked. The Iraqi's are not ready to
>>>>>> take over.
>>>>>
>>>>> Barack and many Dems think they are.
>>>>
>>>> The best proof the surge has worked in Iraq is that the press is
>>>> now giving much more play to any bad news out of Afghanistan.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The surge is a failure.
>>>
>>> It has no succeeded in accomplishing its primary goal.
>>>
>>> Reconciliation.
>>>
>>> Iraq has been Balkanized
>>
>> Exactly as millions of rational people, experts and nearly
>> every other Gov't worldwide warned BEFORE the idiot chimp Bu$h
>> wrecked one of the most stable, most secular, more developed nations
>> in the region.
>>
>> The U$A *deserves* the decades of pain and suffering that Bu$h's War
>> Crimes will bring ....
>>
>>
>>
>
> Promise me that when Iraq settles down you'll drink a quart of Drano.
In what future century would that be, eh chickenhawk?
_ Prof. Jonez _
> 4...@mag.num (Harry Callahan) wrote in
> news:Xns9AF4D3B76806DWe...@216.196.97.142:
> and marries the right girl?
Seems to have had all that before G aWol Bu$h came to town ...
_ Prof. Jonez _
> "Harry Callahan" <4...@mag.num> wrote in message
>>>> "Felix D." <#1Che...@OGPU.org> wrote in message
>>>>>> mob, Truth...@nospam.net wrote in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well gee son, it hasn't worked. The Iraqi's are not ready to
>>>>>>> take over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Barack and many Dems think they are.
>>>>>
>>>>> The best proof the surge has worked in Iraq is that the press is
>>>>> now giving much more play to any bad news out of Afghanistan.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The surge is a failure.
>>>>
>>>> It has no succeeded in accomplishing its primary goal.
>>>>
>>>> Reconciliation.
>>>>
>>>> Iraq has been Balkanized
>>>
>>> Exactly as millions of rational people, experts and nearly
>>> every other Gov't worldwide warned BEFORE the idiot chimp Bu$h
>>> wrecked one of the most stable, most secular, more developed nations
>>> in the region.
>>>
>>> The U$A *deserves* the decades of pain and suffering that Bu$h's War
>>> Crimes
>>> will bring ....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Promise me that when Iraq settles down you'll drink a quart of Drano.
>>
>
> Iraq will be Balkanized...split up into at
> least three or more separate entities.
Exactly as EVERY foreign intellignece service and millions
of people smarther than a 5th grader warned BEFORE G aWol
Bu$h illegally attacked, invaded and occupied that smaller,
weaker and poorer sovereign nation slaughtering 100,000+
innocent civilians in the process.
>
> Republican bush,jr will have successfully
> eliminated Iran's most serious regional threat.
The Iranians, via Chalabi, played G aWol Bu$h like
the simpleton idiot that he is, acheiving in less than
6 months what 8+ years of bloody war failed to acheive,
and doing it all without spilling a drop of Iranian blood.
4200+ U$ suckers and chumps died meaningless deaths
for the criminal Bush Mob's LIES and INCOMPETENCE.
Sid9
"Felix D." <#1Che...@OGPU.org> wrote in message
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You are moving the goal posts.
The primary goal is what I said it was....the "surge" has failed to achieve
its primary goal
Truth...@nospam.net
Are you a retard all day long or does it come and go like hot flashes?
In <Xns9AF5768B4670DWe...@216.196.97.142>, on 08/09/2008
WaltBJ
think about how you will react to the surge.
Are you going to stand fast and fight to the death against vastly
superior firepower?
Not if you're smart.
You're going to pull back and, if necessary, wait a year or so for the
Americans to declare 'it worked' and then reduce their troop strength.
After all, that's just what the Americans did in Viet Nam, and the NVN
waited them out and then struck - and won.
Then you can re-infiltrate with trained rested and re-armed fighters
and you are back in business. This time . . .
The problem is that the 'insurgents' are religious fighters, fighting
for Allah, and are not going to give up as long as they see a way
forward, if then. They believe they are on God's side, and the
Americans are with Satan.
We blew it from the get-go when we went in with less than the troops
General Shalikashvili said the job needed and no after-fighting plan
to run the country. Rumsfeld and Bremer blew it; Rumsfeld because he
ignored the professionals and Bremer because he dismantled the only
two forces that were in control of Iraq.
If we had only dusted off the Overlord plan for the WW2 war in Europe
itself! All the above had been planned for.
Who was it said "If you don't study history you will get to relive
it?"
Now we pay the price for that; a giant national debt and a millstone
around our neck for the foreseeable future.
Walt BJ - yes, I've seen the elephant
Billzz
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Subsitute General Shinseki for General Shalikashvili. George Santayana's
words about studying history.
>
Miguel A. González
<the...@jonez.net> wrote:
<Article snipped>
There's nothing in the article about the surge or anything that is
related to the surge. Another lame attempt from "Prof." Jonez to bait
and troll.
Felix D.
The primary goal was NOT reconciliation, Sid. Stay on topic.
Miguel A. González
You left out, most repressive, most dangerous, most destabilizing.
Frankly, this whole thread is off topic to talk.politics.guns, as are
your anti-Bush rants. If you hate the U.S. so much, why don't you
leave, if you even live here. Maybe you could try Red China, Iran, or
North Korea.
>
>The U$A *deserves* the decades of pain and suffering that Bu$h's War Crimes
>will bring ....
>
What war crimes?
Miguel A. González
<the...@jonez.net> wrote:
Allegations of GWB being AWOL-discredited
>illegally attacked,
12 U.N resolutions and nearly unanimous vote from Congress.
>invaded and occupied that smaller,
>weaker
3rd largest army in the world
>and poorer
Only because of U.N embargoes and Saddam diverting funds from the Oil
for Food program to pay for palaces, his Republican Guard, WMD
programs, and kickbacks to U.N. officials.
>sovereign nation slaughtering 100,000+
>innocent civilians in the process.
A very highly suspect figure, considering the source. In fact as a
matter of policy the U.S. goes out of its way to avoid civilian
casualties. Ever hear of precision guided bombs?
Saddam and Al Qaeda have killed more Iraqi civilians than the U.S.
ever did.
>
>
>>
>> Republican bush,jr will have successfully
>> eliminated Iran's most serious regional threat.
>
>The Iranians, via Chalabi, played G aWol Bu$h like
>the simpleton idiot that he is, acheiving in less than
>6 months what 8+ years of bloody war failed to acheive,
>and doing it all without spilling a drop of Iranian blood.
>
>4200+ U$ suckers and chumps died meaningless deaths
>for the criminal Bush Mob's LIES and INCOMPETENCE.
Most Iraqis nowadays would beg to differ.
>
Truth...@nospam.net
His war in iraq is a war crime. We hung Germans for what bush and cheney
have done there.
Truth...@nospam.net
Really? Iraq cannot be governed without a unified government goober.
That means reconciliation of the factions fighting each other -- including
the elements of the factions fighting to drive the US occupation army out
of THEIR country.
If we were going to stay, we would need to draft every last one of you
gobbers to be the cannon fodder -- since you right wing wingers won't like
up and go on your own.
Gray Ghost
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Ask him exactly where are the 7,500 tons of human remains.
Morton Davis
out with honor instead of with yellow stripes down their backs like the
Dummies wanted.
_ Prof. Jonez _
Why do you lie?
> and we're close to pulling our
> troops out with honor
There is no "honor" in illegally attacking, invading and occupying a
far smaller, weaker and poorer sovereign nation, slaughtering 100,000+
innocent civilians in the process.
Go that, scumbag?
Truth...@nospam.net
Wrong son. There are 50 people a day dying for nothing in the war bush
started, while our troops stay behind walls, and pay the iraqi's not to
shoot at us.
And there is no honor in a war based on a premise that we once hung
Germans for. Someday the world will deal with our war-criminals bush and
cheney.
BTW right winger, your belief that we are somehow going to win, is like
the idiots that said we were winning in vietnam, but kept asking for more
troops.
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
>And there is no honor in a war based on a premise that we once hung
>Germans for. Someday the world will deal with our war-criminals bush and
>cheney.
By the time you addle-brained leftists get your act together, the sun
will be going nova.
Truth...@nospam.net
>In talk.politics.guns Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
Run along goober. Your hate-filled thinking and nonsense is boring.
_ Prof. Jonez _
So when do you deploy to Iraq, eh shitsucking coward?
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
I'm not, fuckwit. We send the children of leftist twist like you to
fetch our oil for us.
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
Miguel A. González
sure buddy, considering 12 U.N. resolutions to the contrary. an almost
unanimous vote from Congress. Can you cite specific war crimes
analofous to Nazi war crimes of WWII?
Truth...@nospam.net
Sorry racist goober, but I'm going to keep telling the truth about you
people. You change your ways if you don't like it, ya hear son!
In <enuu94p81ld8bbqe6...@4ax.com>, on 08/10/2008
Truth...@nospam.net
What war crimes you ask: Lying to make a war and "preemptive" war. We
rejected the idea and hung Germans for the saame thing in 1946.
In <8h2v945upf0o7nakj...@4ax.com>, on 08/10/2008
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
>In <enuu94p81ld8bbqe6...@4ax.com>, on 08/10/2008
> at 04:38 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude <kschadenfreude @comcast.net> said:
>
>
>
>>In talk.politics.guns Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
>
>>>In <vtmu94tl55jl283qt...@4ax.com>, on 08/10/2008
>>> at 02:21 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude <kschadenfreude @comcast.net> said:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In talk.politics.guns Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>And there is no honor in a war based on a premise that we once hung
>>>>>Germans for. Someday the world will deal with our war-criminals bush and
>>>>>cheney.
>>>
>>>>By the time you addle-brained leftists get your act together, the sun
>>>>will be going nova.
>>>
>>>Run along goober. Your hate-filled thinking and nonsense is boring.
>
>>Then filter me out, you no-account fuckwit
>
>Sorry racist goober, but I'm going to keep telling the truth about you
>people. You change your ways if you don't like it, ya hear son!
You're the one complaining, boy-- not me! I'm perfectly happy
bitch-slapping you every time I see you.
Reality_CheckŠ
"Miguel A. González" <miguel....@cox.net> wrote in message
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You lie.
> most dangerous,
You lie again.
> most destabilizing.
You just can't stop lying, can you you shiteating repugnikkkan ?
Reality_CheckŠ
You just can't stop lying, can you you lowlife Repugnikkkan ?
War critics astonished as US hawk admits invasion was illegal
a.. Oliver Burkeman and Julian Borger in Washington
b.. The Guardian,
c.. Thursday November 20 2003
International lawyers and anti-war campaigners reacted with astonishment
yesterday after the influential Pentagon hawk Richard Perle conceded that
the invasion of Iraq had been illegal.
In a startling break with the official White House and Downing Street lines,
Mr Perle told an audience in London: "I think in this case international law
stood in the way of doing the right thing."
President George Bush has consistently argued that the war was legal either
because of existing UN security council resolutions on Iraq - also the
British government's publicly stated view - or as an act of self-defence
permitted by international law.
But Mr Perle, a key member of the defence policy board, which advises the US
defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, said that "international law ... would
have required us to leave Saddam Hussein alone", and this would have been
morally unacceptable.
French intransigence, he added, meant there had been "no practical mechanism
consistent with the rules of the UN for dealing with Saddam Hussein".
Mr Perle, who was speaking at an event organised by the Institute of
Contemporary Arts in London, had argued loudly for the toppling of the Iraqi
dictator since the end of the 1991 Gulf war.
"They're just not interested in international law, are they?" said Linda
Hugl, a spokeswoman for the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, which launched
a high court challenge to the war's legality last year. "It's only when the
law suits them that they want to use it."
Mr Perle's remarks bear little resemblance to official justifications for
war, according to Rabinder Singh QC, who represented CND and also
participated in Tuesday's event.
Certainly the British government, he said, "has never advanced the
suggestion that it is entitled to act, or right to act, contrary to
international law in relation to Iraq".
The UN secretary general, Kofi Annan, has questioned that justification,
arguing that the security council would have to rule on whether the US and
its allies were under imminent threat.
Other council members disagreed, but American and British lawyers argued
that the threat of force had been implicit since the first Gulf war, which
was ended only by a ceasefire.
"I think Perle's statement has the virtue of honesty," said Michael Dorf, a
law professor at Columbia University who opposed the war, arguing that it
was illegal.
The controversy-prone Mr Perle resigned his chairmanship of the defence
policy board earlier this year but remained a member of the advisory board.
Truth...@nospam.net
Run along goober, we are not impressed with your inane hillbilly
driveling.
In <rv5v941e7g1lov42h...@4ax.com>, on 08/10/2008
Reality_Check©
"Klaus Schadenfreude" <kschadenfreude @comcast.net> wrote in message
news:bvuu949cu59u04stp...@4ax.com...
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
>In <rv5v941e7g1lov42h...@4ax.com>, on 08/10/2008
> at 06:38 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude <kschadenfreude @comcast.net> said:
>
>
>
>>In talk.politics.guns Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
>
>
>>>In <enuu94p81ld8bbqe6...@4ax.com>, on 08/10/2008
>>> at 04:38 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude <kschadenfreude @comcast.net> said:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In talk.politics.guns Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>>In <vtmu94tl55jl283qt...@4ax.com>, on 08/10/2008
>>>>> at 02:21 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude <kschadenfreude @comcast.net> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>In talk.politics.guns Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>And there is no honor in a war based on a premise that we once hung
>>>>>>>Germans for. Someday the world will deal with our war-criminals bush and
>>>>>>>cheney.
>>>>>
>>>>>>By the time you addle-brained leftists get your act together, the sun
>>>>>>will be going nova.
>>>>>
>>>>>Run along goober. Your hate-filled thinking and nonsense is boring.
>>>
>>>>Then filter me out, you no-account fuckwit
>>>
>>>Sorry racist goober, but I'm going to keep telling the truth about you
>>>people. You change your ways if you don't like it, ya hear son!
>
>>You're the one complaining, boy-- not me! I'm perfectly happy
>>bitch-slapping you every time I see you.
>
>
>
>Run along goober, we are not impressed with your inane hillbilly
>driveling.
Yeah, you are. In fact, you can't even bring yourself to cough up a
response that makes any sense.
But then, none of your original posts make any sense, either.
I think I'll vote the straight Republican ticket this fall, just to
fuck with what's left of your head.
Miguel A. González
>
>Wrong son. There are 50 people a day dying for nothing in the war bush
>started, while our troops stay behind walls, and pay the iraqi's not to
>shoot at us.
Most of the killing is being done by Syrian and Iranian backed
"insurgents" (i.e. Iranian, Saudi, and Syrian Al Qaeda members).
>
>And there is no honor in a war based on a premise that we once hung
>Germans for.
And what's that premise? The Nazis were hung for crimes against
humanity. You know, that whole Holocaust thing.
> Someday the world will deal with our war-criminals bush and
>cheney.
Someday history will vindicate them, much like Nixon has been
vindicated. You seem to forget the U.N. resolutions and a nearly
unanimous vote in Congress. Once the decision is made, the enemy is
engaged, you have to be totally committed to the chosen course of
action, unlike all those Congresspeople that after voting for the war
then started campaigning agianst it out of political expediency.
>
>BTW right winger, your belief that we are somehow going to win, is like
>the idiots that said we were winning in vietnam, but kept asking for more
>troops.
Actually, militarily, we were winning in VietNam and actually brought
the North Veitnamese to the negotiation table. It was left wing
useful idiots like you that ultimately insured that the the U.S. would
never win.
Sooner or later someone would have had to deal with Saddam. The fact
is, if Bush had not acted then, his succesor, whoever he was,would
have had to deal with Saddam, probably with a lesser advantage.
Whether right or wrong, we are there now and it would be idiocy to
just cut and run. All that would do is enbolden the enemies of this
country and tell the world that the U.S. will not support its allies.
Victory is the only option.
>
>
>
Al. E. Gator Esq.
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:04:42 GMT, Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
>
>
>>
> Someday history will vindicate them, much like Nixon has been
> vindicated. You seem to forget the U.N. resolutions and a nearly
> unanimous vote in Congress. Once the decision is made, the enemy is
> engaged, you have to be totally committed to the chosen course of
> action, unlike all those Congresspeople that after voting for the war
> then started campaigning agianst it out of political expediency.
>>
so, like who do you think is dumb enough to buy your lies there goober ?
more ignorant hillbillies who love being ignorant, bitter and clinging to
lies ?
Al. E. Gator Esq.
so when are you going to stop cutting and running and tote that gomer ass on
over to the ruckus Festus ?
ain't nothin between you and there except air and fear,
still waiting for GIRLS, poor kids, and minorities to fight your fuckup for
you ?
All that would do is enbolden the enemies of this
country and tell the world that the U.S. will not support its allies.
Victory is the only option.
no, surrender is the better option, we can't afford any more of you
hillbilly's fuckups,
go ahead on and wave that ass wiping confederate surrender rag, lord knows
it's
had plenty of experience, and hasn't won anything yet, burn it afterwards
too
just tell those ragheaded freedom fighters they can keep all the hillbilly
war criminals, we certainly don't want them
terrorizing america like they have done in iraq, imprisoning, torturing,
raping, baby killing, city bombing, etc.
Felix D.
"Al. E. Gator Esq." <ObamaCroc08.net> wrote in message
news:J-WdneTgnoB6XQLV...@comcast.com...
>
> "Miguel A. González" <miguel....@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:nmdv9410laln7s873...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:04:42 GMT, Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
>>
>> Sooner or later someone would have had to deal with Saddam. The fact
>> is, if Bush had not acted then, his succesor, whoever he was,would
>> have had to deal with Saddam, probably with a lesser advantage.
>> Whether right or wrong, we are there now and it would be idiocy to
>> just cut and run.
>
>
>
>
> so when are you going to stop cutting and running and tote that gomer ass
> on over to the ruckus Festus ?
> ain't nothin between you and there except air and fear,
>
> still waiting for GIRLS, poor kids, and minorities to fight your fuckup
> for you ?
Idiot.
<flush>
Truth...@nospam.net
>"Al. E. Gator Esq." <ObamaCroc08.net> wrote in message
>news:J-WdneTgnoB6XQLV...@comcast.com...
>>
>> "Miguel A. Gonzßlez" <miguel....@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:nmdv9410laln7s873...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:04:42 GMT, Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
>>>
>>> Sooner or later someone would have had to deal with Saddam. The fact
>>> is, if Bush had not acted then, his succesor, whoever he was,would
>>> have had to deal with Saddam, probably with a lesser advantage.
>>> Whether right or wrong, we are there now and it would be idiocy to
>>> just cut and run.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> so when are you going to stop cutting and running and tote that gomer ass
>> on over to the ruckus Festus ?
>> ain't nothin between you and there except air and fear,
>>
>> still waiting for GIRLS, poor kids, and minorities to fight your fuckup
>> for you ?
>Idiot.
><flush>
Hey felix, you're another right wing war-monger who needs to get your ass
over the war you want - so someone who doesn't want to die for nothing can
come home.
Truth...@nospam.net
Stop the right wing kook lying. The iraqi's are fighting iraqi's as they
have for 1400 years over who Muhammad left the religion to -- and
American's are in the cross-fire dying for nothing.
Now your leaders are in fact guilty of the same war crimes we hung Germans
for in 1946. End your lying and war-monger nonsense. -- Better yet,
get your coward ass over there and do the dying for nothing that you want.
... And no son we were never winning in Vietnam. If we were, we not have
had generals asking for more troops all the time. And getting the enemy
that defeated us to a peace agreement, is not a victory son. Work on
your twisted thinking.
In <nmdv9410laln7s873...@4ax.com>, on 08/11/2008
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
When are you going to "deal with" Bush and Cheney?
Oh, right... never. [chuckle]
Sid9
"Miguel A. González" <miguel....@cox.net> wrote in message
news:nmdv9410laln7s873...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:04:42 GMT, Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Wrong son. There are 50 people a day dying for nothing in the war bush
>>started, while our troops stay behind walls, and pay the iraqi's not to
>>shoot at us.
>
> Most of the killing is being done by Syrian and Iranian backed
> "insurgents" (i.e. Iranian, Saudi, and Syrian Al Qaeda members).
>
>>
>>And there is no honor in a war based on a premise that we once hung
>>Germans for.
>
> And what's that premise? The Nazis were hung for crimes against
> humanity. You know, that whole Holocaust thing.
>
>> Someday the world will deal with our war-criminals bush and
>>cheney.
>
> Someday history will vindicate them, much like Nixon has been
> vindicated. You seem to forget the U.N. resolutions and a nearly
> unanimous vote in Congress. Once the decision is made, the enemy is
> engaged, you have to be totally committed to the chosen course of
> action, unlike all those Congresspeople that after voting for the war
> then started campaigning agianst it out of political expediency.
==========================
Nixon was never "vindicated"
==========================
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
>
>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <kschadenfreude @comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:bvuu949cu59u04stp...@4ax.com...
>> In talk.politics.guns "_ Prof. Jonez _" <the...@jonez.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Klaus Scheißekopf wrote:
>>>> In talk.politics.guns Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And there is no honor in a war based on a premise that we once hung
>>>>> Germans for. Someday the world will deal with our war-criminals
>>>>> bush and cheney.
__________________
162 Days Left for leftists to get their shit together and impeach Bush
and Cheney....
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
>There is no "honor" in illegally attacking, invading and occupying a
>far smaller, weaker and poorer sovereign nation, slaughtering 100,000+
>innocent civilians in the process.
Al Qaeda have killed more "civilians," you stone-stupid fuck.
Truth...@nospam.net
>In talk.politics.guns "_ Prof. Jonez _" <the...@jonez.net> wrote:
>>There is no "honor" in illegally attacking, invading and occupying a
>>far smaller, weaker and poorer sovereign nation, slaughtering 100,000+
>>innocent civilians in the process.
>Al Qaeda have killed more "civilians," you stone-stupid fuck.
Which -- if true and you can't prove it -- would not have happened at all
if not for bush's war made with lies; e.g., a war crime.
Now run along goober and play stupid somewhere else. You can't keep up
here.
_ Prof. Jonez _
> In talk.politics.guns "_ Prof. Jonez _" <the...@jonez.net> wrote:
>
>
>> There is no "honor" in illegally attacking, invading and occupying a
>> far smaller, weaker and poorer sovereign nation, slaughtering
>> 100,000+ innocent civilians in the process.
>
> Al Qaeda have killed more "civilians," you stone-stupid fuck.
So you aspire to be like Al Qaeda, eh scumbag?
_ Prof. Jonez _
> In talk.politics.guns "Reality_Check©" <Rea...@Check.it> wrote:
>> "Klaus Scheißekopf " <kschadenfreude @comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> In talk.politics.guns "_ Prof. Jonez _" <the...@jonez.net> wrote:
>>>> Klaus Scheißekopf wrote:
>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And there is no honor in a war based on a premise that we once
>>>>>> hung Germans for. Someday the world will deal with our
>>>>>> war-criminals bush and cheney.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the time you addle-brained leftists get your act together, the
>>>>> sun will be going nova.
>>>>
>>>> So when do you deploy to Iraq, eh shitsucking coward?
>>>
>>> I'm not, fuckwit.
>
> When are you going to "deal with" Bush and Cheney?
>
> Oh, right... never. [chuckle]
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our
number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
~ George aWol Bush . 2001-Sept
"I don't know where he (bin Laden) is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
It's not that important. It's not our priority."
~ George aWol Bush 2002-March
"Gosh, I just don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden.
It's kind of one of those ex-a-gger-a-tions."
~ George aWol Bush 2004 presidential debate
_ Prof. Jonez _
<cue crickets chirping>
Gray Ghost
> In <4kg0a49fdvo0nu2hr...@4ax.com>, on 08/11/2008
> at 06:47 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude <kschadenfreude @comcast.net> said:
>
>
>
>>In talk.politics.guns "_ Prof. Jonez _" <the...@jonez.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>There is no "honor" in illegally attacking, invading and occupying a
>>>far smaller, weaker and poorer sovereign nation, slaughtering 100,000+
>>>innocent civilians in the process.
>
>
>>Al Qaeda have killed more "civilians," you stone-stupid fuck.
>
> Which -- if true and you can't prove it -- would not have happened at all
> if not for bush's war made with lies; e.g., a war crime.
>
AQ started out 3,000 ahead.
Harry Callahan
@mid.individual.net:
Even if he was there wouldn't be a damn thing you could do about it.
--
"I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to
tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But
being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and
would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I
feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?"
Truth...@nospam.net
So GOOBER, you really think attacking Iraq -- which had nothing to do with
9-11 -- helped get AQ off our trail?
Gray Ghost
Yawn. Is there an autistic macaw in here?
Frank
Sid9
"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9AF7904ACA516We...@216.196.97.142...
Try responding.
Gray Ghost
@bignews2.bellsouth.net:
The autistic macaw has a dumber younger sibling.
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
wrote:
Too bad they have such a long life span.
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
>In <4kg0a49fdvo0nu2hr...@4ax.com>, on 08/11/2008
> at 06:47 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude <kschadenfreude @comcast.net> said:
>
>
>
>>In talk.politics.guns "_ Prof. Jonez _" <the...@jonez.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>There is no "honor" in illegally attacking, invading and occupying a
>>>far smaller, weaker and poorer sovereign nation, slaughtering 100,000+
>>>innocent civilians in the process.
>
>
>>Al Qaeda have killed more "civilians," you stone-stupid fuck.
>
>Which -- if true and you can't prove it -- would not have happened at all
>if not for bush's war made with lies; e.g., a war crime.
ROFLMAO. Right.... They're a peaceful organization, prone to giving
baby showers and planting flowers in highway medians.
You fucking moron.
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
You aspire to be like France, you pig-ignorant fucktard?
Truth...@nospam.net
Run along goober. We set the standard for war-crimes in 1946 when we hung
Germans. bush and cheney are war-criminals under that standard.
In <ssn1a4t003ac0i9gr...@4ax.com>, on 08/11/2008
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
>In <ssn1a4t003ac0i9gr...@4ax.com>, on 08/11/2008
> at 05:57 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude <kschadenfreude @comcast.net> said:
>
>
>
>>In talk.politics.guns Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
>
>>>In <4kg0a49fdvo0nu2hr...@4ax.com>, on 08/11/2008
>>> at 06:47 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude <kschadenfreude @comcast.net> said:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In talk.politics.guns "_ Prof. Jonez _" <the...@jonez.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>There is no "honor" in illegally attacking, invading and occupying a
>>>>>far smaller, weaker and poorer sovereign nation, slaughtering 100,000+
>>>>>innocent civilians in the process.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Al Qaeda have killed more "civilians," you stone-stupid fuck.
>>>
>>>Which -- if true and you can't prove it -- would not have happened at all
>>>if not for bush's war made with lies; e.g., a war crime.
>
>
>>ROFLMAO. Right.... They're a peaceful organization, prone to giving baby
>>showers and planting flowers in highway medians.
>
>>You fucking moron.
>
>>_________________
>>162 Days Left for leftists to get their shit together and impeach Bush
>>and Cheney....
>Run along goober. We set the standard for war-crimes
No shit. You leftists have murdered more people than all the other
political groups combined. No WONDER you're proud.
>bush and cheney are war-criminals under that standard.
You've got 162 days to get your shit together. Think you'll make it?
<guffaw>
Truth...@nospam.net
Run along goober. Your driveling, lies and stupidity are old and boring.
In <9hq1a41rinok4v2gr...@4ax.com>, on 08/11/2008
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
>
>
>Run along goober. Your driveling, lies and stupidity are old and boring.
TRANSLATION: RealityChuck doesn't have an answer for THAT one. LOL
Reality_Check©
"Klaus Schadenfreude" <kschadenfreude @comcast.net> wrote in message
news:n2o1a4du87hm51cre...@4ax.com...
France who was 100% correct about Iraq ?
"As I said yesterday, that Russia is not an enemy. There needs to be no
military response because we're not at war with Russia. ... I don't think
Vladimir Putin intends to attack Russia -- I mean, Europe. So I'll talk to
him about it, but it's -- if he's saying the missile defense system is a
threat to us, our -- the need, therefore, is to make clear there is not. "
-- G aWol Bush, the idiot chimp
Truth...@nospam.net
Once again for the dumbass Klaus Schadenfreude:
Run along goober. Your driveling, lies and stupidity are old and boring.
In <tcs1a41jerjopakou...@4ax.com>, on 08/11/2008
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
>
>Once again for the dumbass Klaus Schadenfreude:
>Run along goober. Your driveling, lies and stupidity are old and boring.
TRANSLATION: RealityChuck doesn't think 162 days are gonna be enough.
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
>
>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <kschadenfreude @comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:n2o1a4du87hm51cre...@4ax.com...
>> In talk.politics.guns "_ Prof. Jonez _" <the...@jonez.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> In talk.politics.guns "_ Prof. Jonez _" <the...@jonez.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> There is no "honor" in illegally attacking, invading and occupying a
>>>>> far smaller, weaker and poorer sovereign nation, slaughtering
>>>>> 100,000+ innocent civilians in the process.
>>>>
>>>> Al Qaeda have killed more "civilians," you stone-stupid fuck.
>>>
>>>So you aspire to be like Al Qaeda, eh scumbag?
>>
>> You aspire to be like France, you pig-ignorant fucktard?
>
>France who was 100% correct about Iraq ?
Right when they sold them $20 billion worth of weapons? Right when
they allowed their countries businesses to help China and Syria
smuggle illicit materials? Right when they helped with build the nuke
plant that the Israelis had to destroy? Right when they stabbed their
own allies in the back by briefing Saddam on their plans?
You're one pig-ignorant fuckwad, you know that? [chuckle]
Truth...@nospam.net
at 05:31 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude <kschadenfreude @comcast.net> said:
Get your coward ass to iraq goober. bush needs cannon fodder who wants
dying for nothing, as you want others doing.
It will also help clean the gene pool of the hate and stupidy you show
here.
Truth...@nospam.net
Again for the right wing kook troll Klaus Schadenfreude:
Run along goober. Your driveling, lies and stupidity are old and boring.
Run along goober. Your driveling, lies and stupidity are old and boring.
In <q603a459qcojlhuee...@4ax.com>, on 08/12/2008
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
>
>Run along goober. Your driveling, lies and stupidity are old and boring.
You're down to 161 days now. You're wasting time.
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
>In <v803a492fdfci1ht3...@4ax.com>, on 08/12/2008
> at 05:31 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude <kschadenfreude @comcast.net> said:
>
>
>
>>In talk.politics.guns "Reality_Check " <Rea...@Check.it> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <kschadenfreude @comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:n2o1a4du87hm51cre...@4ax.com...
>>>> In talk.politics.guns "_ Prof. Jonez _" <the...@jonez.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns "_ Prof. Jonez _" <the...@jonez.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no "honor" in illegally attacking, invading and occupying a
>>>>>>> far smaller, weaker and poorer sovereign nation, slaughtering
>>>>>>> 100,000+ innocent civilians in the process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Al Qaeda have killed more "civilians," you stone-stupid fuck.
>>>>>
>>>>>So you aspire to be like Al Qaeda, eh scumbag?
>>>>
>>>> You aspire to be like France, you pig-ignorant fucktard?
>>>
>>>France who was 100% correct about Iraq ?
>
>>Right when they sold them $20 billion worth of weapons? Right when they
>>allowed their countries businesses to help China and Syria smuggle
>>illicit materials? Right when they helped with build the nuke plant that
>>the Israelis had to destroy? Right when they stabbed their own allies in
>>the back by briefing Saddam on their plans?
>
>>You're one pig-ignorant fuckwad, you know that? [chuckle]
>
>
>Get your coward ass to iraq goober.
Nah. We have plenty of people in the military. But hey, thanks for
asking!
>It will also help clean the gene pool of the hate and stupidy you show
>here.
Only if I'm taking you with me as a sandbag.
Morton Davis
Hey, DIPSHIT who started this thread: I have you KILLFILED because you're a
FUCKTARD. If someone I didn't have killfiled hadn't responded to your crap I
would never see it.
Sid9
"Morton Davis" <anti...@go.com> wrote in message
news:yEgok.240110$TT4.102702@attbi_s22...
Killfile! Woo woo....big deal!
_ Prof. Jonez _
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 10:48:53 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
> <the...@jonez.net> wrote:
>
>> Sid9 wrote:
>>> "Harry Callahan" <4...@mag.num> wrote in message>>>>> Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>> "Felix D." <#1Che...@OGPU.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>> Passing out lies like a Roman emperor scattering coins to the
>>>>>>>> mob, Truth...@nospam.net wrote in
>>>>>>>>> "Felix D." <#1Che...@OGPU.org> said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well gee son, it hasn't worked. The Iraqi's are not ready to
>>>>>>>>> take over.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Barack and many Dems think they are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The best proof the surge has worked in Iraq is that the press is
>>>>>>> now giving much more play to any bad news out of Afghanistan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The surge is a failure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has no succeeded in accomplishing its primary goal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reconciliation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Iraq has been Balkanized
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly as millions of rational people, experts and nearly
>>>>> every other Gov't worldwide warned BEFORE the idiot chimp Bu$h
>>>>> wrecked one of the most stable, most secular, more developed
>>>>> nations in the region.
>>>>>
>>>>> The U$A *deserves* the decades of pain and suffering that Bu$h's
>>>>> War Crimes
>>>>> will bring ....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Promise me that when Iraq settles down you'll drink a quart of
>>>> Drano.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Iraq will be Balkanized...split up into at
>>> least three or more separate entities.
>>
>> Exactly as EVERY foreign intellignece service and millions
>> of people smarther than a 5th grader warned BEFORE G aWol
>> Bu$h
> Allegations of GWB being AWOL-discredited
>
>> illegally attacked,
>
> 12 U.N resolutions and nearly unanimous vote from Congress.
NONE of which authorized the U$A to attack, invade and occupy
the far smaller, weaker and poorer sovereign nation of Iraq.
_ Prof. Jonez _
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:20:35 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _">>> news:DP6dnQzCtqS7WAHV...@comcast.com...>>>> message news:Xns9AF49725...@216.196.97.136...
>>>>> Passing out lies like a Roman emperor scattering coins to the mob,
>>>>>> In <-eCdnWkTstZ0AQHV...@comcast.com>, on 08/08/2008
>>>>>> at 12:22 PM, "Felix D." <#1Che...@OGPU.org> said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well gee son, it hasn't worked. The Iraqi's are not ready to
>>>>>> take over.
>>>>>
>>>>> Barack and many Dems think they are.
>>>>
>>>> The best proof the surge has worked in Iraq is that the press is
>>>> now giving much more play to any bad news out of Afghanistan.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The surge is a failure.
>>>
>>> It has no succeeded in accomplishing its primary goal.
>>>
>>> Reconciliation.
>>>
>>> Iraq has been Balkanized
>>
>> Exactly as millions of rational people, experts and nearly
>> every other Gov't worldwide warned BEFORE the idiot chimp Bu$h
>> wrecked one of the most stable, most secular, more developed nations
>> in the region.
>
Of course we left those lies out, you lying repugnikkkan shiteater.
_ Prof. Jonez _
> In talk.politics.guns "Reality_Check©" <Rea...@Check.it> wrote:
>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <kschadenfreude @comcast.net> wrote
>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>> In talk.politics.guns "_ Prof. Jonez _" <the...@jonez.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no "honor" in illegally attacking, invading and
>>>>>> occupying a far smaller, weaker and poorer sovereign nation,
>>>>>> slaughtering 100,000+ innocent civilians in the process.
>>>>>
>>>>> Al Qaeda have killed more "civilians," you stone-stupid fuck.
>>>>
>>>> So you aspire to be like Al Qaeda, eh scumbag?
>>>
>>> You aspire to be like France, you pig-ignorant fucktard?
>>
>> France who was 100% correct about Iraq ?
>
> Right when they sold them $20 billion worth of weapons?
Is that after the U$A sold them $50 billion worth of weaponry?
> Right when they allowed their countries businesses to help China and Syria
> smuggle illicit materials?
It's wasn't illicit under French law. Why do lowlife repugnikkkunt maggots
like you think anyone else in the world gives a fuck about U$ law,
when the U$ doesn't give a fuck about international law?
> Right when they helped with build the nuke
> plant that the Israelis had to destroy?
Every nation has a sovereign right to Nuclear power, scumbag.
> Right when they stabbed their
> own allies in the back by briefing Saddam on their plans?
They had a moral obligation to warn a smaller, weaker and poorer
sovereign nation of the impending illegal attack and invasion by
one of the worlds military super-powers.
_ Prof. Jonez _
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:42:02 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
> <the...@jonez.net> wrote:
>
> <Article snipped>
>
> There's nothing in the article about the surge or anything that is
> related to the surge. Another lame attempt from "Prof." Jonez to bait
> and troll.
So why are you here, jackass?
_ Prof. Jonez _
Typical coward's refrain.
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
>Klaus Scheißekopf wrote:
>> In talk.politics.guns "Reality_Check©" <Rea...@Check.it> wrote:
>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <kschadenfreude @comcast.net> wrote
>>>> In talk.politics.guns "_ Prof. Jonez _" <the...@jonez.net> wrote:
>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns "_ Prof. Jonez _" <the...@jonez.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no "honor" in illegally attacking, invading and
>>>>>>> occupying a far smaller, weaker and poorer sovereign nation,
>>>>>>> slaughtering 100,000+ innocent civilians in the process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Al Qaeda have killed more "civilians," you stone-stupid fuck.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you aspire to be like Al Qaeda, eh scumbag?
>>>>
>>>> You aspire to be like France, you pig-ignorant fucktard?
>>>
>>> France who was 100% correct about Iraq ?
>>
>> Right when they sold them $20 billion worth of weapons?
>
>Is that after the U$A sold them $50 billion worth of weaponry?
We were supporting Iran, dipshit. You getting all those "I" countries
mixed up again? [chortle]
>> Right when they allowed their countries businesses to help China and Syria
>> smuggle illicit materials?
>
>It's wasn't illicit under French law.
Oh, well THAT makes it better! LOL
>> Right when they helped with build the nuke
>> plant that the Israelis had to destroy?
>
>Every nation has a sovereign right to Nuclear power, scumbag.
No they don't, asswipe.
>> Right when they stabbed their
>> own allies in the back by briefing Saddam on their plans?
>
>They had a moral obligation
You're a leftist thug- what the fuck do you know about morals?
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
And they'll keep being sent until the job is done. Your job- impeach
Bush and Cheney. 161 days left. How close are you?
Truth...@nospam.net
In <3a64a4tnb0397t2nq...@4ax.com>, on 08/12/2008
Sorry goober, but the iraqi's will decide when they have had enough of the
American occupation -- and they have already MADE bush agree on a
timetable to withdraw.
You lost goober, now go play right wing retard somewhere else.
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
[chuckle] Yeah, right.
>You lost goober, now go play right wing retard somewhere else.
160 Days- get any closer to your goal?
Truth...@nospam.net
Read the news goober. bush agreeded to a time table. He has to moron.
In <h7m5a419d6au9qkcb...@4ax.com>, on 08/13/2008
Gray Ghost
I wonder if the dull child who delighted in respelling your name (a most
immature practice) knows he spelled the the insult wrong?
--
From: "_ Prof. Jonez _" <the...@jonez.net>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-
limbaugh,talk.politics.guns,alt.politics,talk.politics.misc,us.military.army
Subject: Re: In the last 45 years america has THREE TIMES invaded tiny
defenseless countries that never did anything to us and murdered a million
innocent people
"_ Prof. Jonez _" <the...@jonez.net> wrote in news:6ge86lFf8ltgU1
@mid.individual.net:
That the U$$A *deserved* 9.11 ... at the very least.
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
>Read the news goober. bush agreeded to a time table. He has to moron.
What's the day, fuckwit?
160 days, and you wasted most of this one....
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
wrote:
>I wonder if the dull child who delighted in respelling your name (a most
>immature practice) knows he spelled the the insult wrong?
Dunno- I don't read most of what he writes- is there a reason I
should? :>
Truth...@nospam.net
Read the news goober. bush agreed to a time table. He has to moron or
the iraqi's will not sign an agreement allowing bush and his war-criminals
to stay after the end of the year.
In <5uv6a4d122u500lrd...@4ax.com>, on 08/13/2008
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
>
>Read the news goober. bush agreed to a time table.
What's the date, fuckwit?
>He has to moron or
>the iraqi's will not sign an agreement allowing bush and his war-criminals
>to stay after the end of the year.
How's your impeachment coming? You're running out of time.......
@comcast.net Klaus Schadenfreude
>Read the news goober. bush agreed to a time table.
You try reading the news, shit-for-brains...
August 14, 2008
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article4526313.ece
American soldiers will withdraw from cities across Iraq next summer
and all US combat troops will leave the country within three years,
provided the violence remains low, under the terms of a draft
agreement with the Iraqi Government.
Mr Zebari said in an interview: “Our negotiators and the Americans
have almost brought it [the accord] to a close. It is not a closed
deal but it is very close.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article4526313.ece
No Bush signature, you pig-ignorant lying leftist fuck. [chuckle]
Truth...@nospam.net
Truth...@nospam.net
Run along asshole. Its a time-table just like I said and just like Obama
said we needed -- and just like bush said he would never have...
PS asshole: Its also a draft and it will get tighter.
In <v657a4hl34uueohsk...@4ax.com>, on 08/13/2008