In article <jh6e3n$k24$
1...@dont-email.me>,
Myself Mallu, Yourself? <
KalluM...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 2/11/2012 9:37 AM, rst0 wrote:
>> Dalai Lama not a separatist: Archbishop Tutu.
>> Dalai Lama is a CIA stooge.
>
>Did the US government tell you that? If so, then it isn't true because
>the US government always lies to you, right?
>
>Or did the supposedly "free and honest" Chinese media convince a shill
>like you that the Dalai Lama is a CIA stooge? China also puts out an
>annual "Human Rights in the US" document. This is one lovely example of
>"fair and honest" writing by a government.
>
>Tibet is a Chinese colony. Period. The new "running dog of imperialism"
>in Asia does not have a problem annexing territory - Tibet, Xinjiang,
Now you see you're a wee bit too simplistic. Regarding who is the
source which reveals that Da Lama is a CIA stooge, it doesn't have to
be A or B as you proposed. What you proposed could be the strategy of
one who wants to set up a strawman in order to shoot it down. It
doesn't have to come from A or B as you proposed. Rather it came from
C _and_ D _and_ E . . .. In other words, it came from multiple
sources and I can just say that one of the sources who put the story
down in writing is a venerable source in the eyes of the Da Lama
lovers, namely the New York Times.
As for Tibet being a Chinese colony?
Don't make people laugh.
Tibet was a part of China for centuries although the little Tibetan
priests had a free reign because in the olden days, the place was just
too hard to reach.
But with all that freedom, what did those priests do?
They used religious deception to enforce a serfdom and made the masses
believe that their horrible existence was their own faults and they
had the Dharma or duty to exist like that to work off the "debt".
Now in practical terms of politics, we can see how those priests were
digging a hole for their own demise. You know during the 1930s and
1940s when China at large was struggling against a barbaric imperial
Japanese invasion, Da Lama was busy building and building himself and
his theocratic class another sprawling multi- hundred room palace at
Norbulingka. They uprooted the flora and fauna to build such things
as a modern movie theatre for Da Lama's summer guests from the
theocratic class to party in summer nights.
You see, hundreds of millions of the Chinese people were in despair
because WWII was by all accounts an existential battle between the
rest of the world and the axis nations (Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany,
and Imperial Japan and their stooges).
But Da Lama did nothing to help the rest of the world nor the the poor
illiterate Tibetan masses under his reign. In sum, he let the priests
and monks to destroy whatever leegitimacy they had in claiming that
they owned the land. The land was crying out to heaven for help. And
after the CCP came to liberate Tibet, the longevity of the Tibetan
people grew from the mid-thirties to the sixties and their literacy
rate grew from the teens to above 80%.
Now, those priests or lamas in exile are conspiring with Da Lama to
encourage the terrorism of self-immolation as a policy to draw the
world's attention. Using human lives to horrify the world and incite
violence is morally unacceptable. Da Lama himself encourages the
policy as he murmured the word of disapproval by explaining that the
they happened because the Tibetan people in China were frustrated.
If he truly disapproves the terrorist act of self-immolation, then
rest assured that we would not have a report saying that a monk
passing out leaflets that calls for Da Lama's return _and_ the
seccession of Tibet or else self-immolation would continue because
some of you are saying how influential Da Lama is among the Tibetan
Chinese. You can't have the argument both ways. It won't work. Da
Lama is a principal in the incitement of this self-immolation
campaign.
Da Lama has alwasy been morally corrupt and this is but another
instance of it. And the cry of Tibet independence helps the western
hegemony agenda and hurts the Tibetan people. The Tibetan people
deserve better. They deserve to be free from the religious oppresion
they have been subjected to by the crafty lamas for generations.
lo yeeOn
========
I am attaching the following post for more thought on this subject.
In article <
d8561f38-4400-41ae...@z12g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
bmo...@nyx.net <
bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
>On Jan 5, 1:58 am,
acous...@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:
>> If it's so important for Da Lama to collect still another meaningless
>> award bearing Mahatma Gandhi's name, then it should be even more
>> important to let today's Tibetan people know what a scoundrel Da Lama
>> was when he had a chance to lead and help improve their ancestors' lot
>> but did not!
>>
>> Norbulingka is Da Lama's legacy as well as his lifetime indictment as
>> another corrupt religious head who did not care about the masses under
>> his rule.
>
>He was 15 years old at the time, you idiot!
>
Oh yeah? "Only 15 years old at the time", eh? The 15-year old was
telling his servant/friend Herr Harrer: "Heinrich, go tell `my people'
to dig the ground at Norbulingka and build me a nice movie theater,
'cause I really liked the movies you and I were watching together last
night ...! Okay, Heinrich?"
If Da Lama was innocent, then you are a total idiot, no question about
it! So I should not be at all surprised to see how much you want to
keep drawing attention to yourself for the stupid and meangingless
work that you're doing on these internet newsgroups.
See, I didn't invent the misery Da Lama caused the Tibetan people.
His friend Heinrich Harrer revealed it to the world through the book
he called "Seven Years in Tibet". He did an effective job telling the
world what Da Lama was doing as a boy king in the isolated Tibet.
Lo and behold, what the boy king was doing clearly explained why Tibet
was such an impoverished place, where people's average lifespan was
under forty years of age and where over 80% of the population was
illiterate, when the People's Liberation Army arrived in 1950.
The boy king might have been in his teens, but it didn't stop him from
ordering the commoners to dig the ground at Norbulingka and build one
palace after another. Where did "his people" get a chance to have an
education? How could they live a decent lifespan working under such
harsh conditions on the Himalayan plateaus year after year?
Did Da Lama care? Obviously not! Compassion? It's just propaganda
when it suits his western masters.
Even the Wikipedia cited Da Lama as responsible for overseeing many of
his selfish palatial building projects at Norbulingka, including the
building of the movie theater described in the "Seven Years in Tibet"
so vividly.
So no matter how loud you shout in trying to keep the ugly truth about
Da Lama from the public consciousness, Wikipedia has more authenticity
than your shout will ever be able to match. You should realize that!
lo yeeOn
========
So, let's look at what Da Lama was doing when he had a chance to order
people around and caused misery to the Tibetan people which he called
his "people":
So, I'm reposting what I wrote last time with a few clarifications:
If it's so important for Da Lama to collect still another meaningless
award bearing Mahatma Gandhi's name, then it should be even more
important to let today's Tibetan people know what a scoundrel Da Lama
was when he had a chance to lead and help improve their ancestors' lot
but did not!
Norbulingka is Da Lama's legacy as well as his lifelong indictment as
another corrupt religious head who did not care about the masses under
his rule.
In addition to the terrible physical hardship, Da Lama year after year
gave "his people" a great deal of emotional distress, when he wanted
work done on his lavish palatial projects. By asking his blonde
European visitor (Herr Heinrich Harrer) to direct "his people" to
break the hard cold ground of Lhasa for his movie theater, he forced
them to face, according to the superstitions they had been taught,
countless numbers of their "mothers" and "grandmothers" writhing in
pain in their own bare hands, as the poor little creatures who were
their mothers before were now uprooted.
For the laborers, it was their misfortune that their "mothers" and
"grandmothers" who would be reincarnated as earthworms, not Da Lama's
own mother and grandmother. Why? Because, according to the feudal
theocratic teaching of Tibetan buddhism, the poor are poor because
that's what they have earned from their prior lives. Their lack of
good karmic credit has condemned them to a life of re-incarnation
which appears from an anthropocentric viewpoint even more miserable in
the next cycle around.
But this is a skilful way for the early clergy of the cruel religion
to figure out how the monks can eternally dictate to the masses what
they want from their labor. It also ensures the continuity of the
social order so that the ruling class remains the ruling class while
the lowly denizens remain lowly denizens.
Such an absurd and unflattering portrait of the old feudal Tibet was
brought up by Herr Heinrich Harrer, the blonde European visitor from
Austria mentioned above who had counted Da Lama as a personal friend.
Da Lama showed a total lack of sensitivity, humanity, and compassion
in his type of despicable aristocratic conduct toward the commoners
he ruled.
lo yeeOn
========
In article <
88311a25-59d5-4750...@y7g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
Peter Terpstra <
pe...@dharma.dyn-o-saur.com> wrote:
>China rejects calls for fact-finding missions to Tibet
>Phayul[Tuesday, December 13, 2011 19:23]
>
>DHARAMSHALA, December 13: In a letter sent to a news website based in
>Brussels, the Dalai Lama has urged European Union (EU) foreign affairs
>chief Catherine Ashton to press China on allowing a visit by EU
>diplomats to Tibet.
>
>"The situation in Tibet is very desperate. It is urgent that the . . .
It's consistent with Da Lama's propensity to exaggerate and to say
anything to suit his immediate purposes. When I grew up, I saw local
Buddhist monks as mostly a lazy, lying, and cheating group of people.
In college, I learned that there were some nice ideas in Buddhism that
can help one to become a better person. But an average monk doesn't
seem to be aware of those teachings.
And I never gave much thought to Da Lama until reading the garbage
Hard-yards Terpstra posted day after day.
The Norbulingka Palace playboy blew his chance when he squandered away
the time he was god-king of the Tibetans. He had an educated blonde
European who could have taught his subjects some geography and
science. But he monopolized the asset as his personal property.
As a result, some 80% plus of the population was illiterate and its
average longevity was under 40 years of age under his rule, as the
bulk of China was rapidly transforming itself into modernity, even
before the CCP came.
Da Lama doesn't know what it means for a situation to be desperate.
The situation in Tibet (before 1951) when he was still its king was
desperate by any account; yet he didn't see it at all.
He spent the wealth of the Tibetan people building summer palaces for
himself and his aristocratic/theocratic class.
And in the process of doing that, he drove the flora and fauna farther
and farther away from their natural habitat in the beautiful Tibet.
What he did was definitely against the teaching of the Buddha. And it
shouldn't be hard for any person with an ounce of common sense to see
that it was an extremely self-indulgent and selfish act.
But what can we expect of Da Lama?
Instead of repenting, he sold his soul to the powers-that-be in the
West at the expense of the well being of the Chinese people. He's
consorted with the CIA, the NED, and similar evil organizations which
exist solely for the purpose of subverting peaceful societies around
the world.
Da Lama has lost all credibility ever since he squandered it decades
ago when he still had power in Tibet.
And shame on those who continue to promote this stooge of the West for
the purpose of turning China into a Libya, an Iraq, or an Afghanistan.
lo yeeOn
========
Subject: Norbulingka - summer palace for Da Lama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norbulingka
The Norbulingka palace has been mostly identified with the 13th and
the 14th Dalai Lamas who commissioned most of the structures seen here
now.
There is also a zoo at Norbulingka, originally to keep the animals
which were given to the Dalai Lamas. Heinrich Harrer helped the 14th
Dalai Lama build a small movie theatre there in the 1950s.
[So who says Da Lama, aka the 14th Dalai Lama, was too young to be
responsible for the feudal system, the serfdom, and their iniquity
there? Indeed, Da Lama gave "his people" a lot of emotional pain,
in addition to terrible physical hardship, by asking Harrer to direct
them to break the hard cold ground of Lhasa for his movie theater,
thus forcing them to face countless of their "mothers" writhing in
pain as the poor creatures who were their mothers before were now
uprooted. Da Lama showed a total lack of sensitivity, humanity, and
compassion in this type of aristocratic conduct toward the masses.]
The palace, with 374 rooms, is located 3 kilometres (1.9 mi) west of
the Potala Palace, which was the winter palace. It is in the western
suburb of Lhasa City on the bank of the Kyichu River. When
construction of the palace was started (during the 7th Dalai Lama's
period) in the 1740s, the site was a barren land, overgrown with weeds
and scrub and infested with wild animals.[6]
Fruit trees of apple, peach and apricot were also reported (but the
fruits did not ripen in Lhasa) . . .
In article <1622245.kdTlGXAFRq@Dharma>,
Peter Terpstra <
pe...@dharma.dyn-o-saur.com> wrote:
>Presentation to His Holiness the Dalai Lama of the Mahatma Gandhi
>International Award for Reconciliation and Peace during the
>Kalachakra for World Peace in Bodh Gaya, India, on January 4, 2011.
[2011??? Tsk, tsk, tsk . . . typical hardyards!!!]
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sk5CafEJH8
>
>Presentation to His Holiness the Dalai Lama of the Mahatma Gandhi
>International Award for Reconciliation and Peace during the
>Kalachakra for World Peace in Bodh Gaya,
>India, on January 4, 2011.
[Doing it for the second time, eh??? 2011??? Tsk, tsk, tsk
. . . typical hardyards!!! Don't even bother to get the date
right???]
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sk5CafEJH8
>
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>... - all the while whinging about China having been raped by
>colonialists sometime in the past. In the opinion of this new "running
>dog of imperialism" it is entitled to all the resources on the planet,
>and in return, it peddles killer "baby formula" and substandard cheap
>crap through Walmart while manipulating its currency. Yeah, the new
>Shangrila is here. So, when are you moving to this new paradise?
>
>--
>VB, Ubetjotushy
>'ome=shanty
>
>-----
>About the Jihadi Loon Squad:
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>A jihadi loon is someone like Jade Muckeraj.
>
>"Jade Muckeraj" aka "The Old Cow of Hawaii" <
char...@fraudsrus.com>
>tries her best to pretend she is a Hindu -- cutting and pasting, and
>even doctoring what others post/write about Hindus/Hinduism on the
>internet, deliberately pidginizing Sanskrit and providing wrong
>translations, inventing brand new books in the Mahabharat (reducing it
>to Muckabharat), stalking and abusing people who disagree with her by
>hijacking their posts, and then cuts and pastes about Hindu ethics and
>moans self-righteously about honesty -- and succeeds spectacularly in
>convincing all, except other jihadi loons, that she is not a Hindu.
>She is in fact a creepy jihadi loon, who thinks she owns the newsgroup
>s.c.indian, and has absolutely no problem slandering anyone. As a
>Indian citizen supposedly, she meddles in US political issues, and
>advocates civil war in India.