My Memories of Savak Atrocities
Sam Ghandchi
It was 1973, when I had just finished the
university and had returned to Iran starting
to work.
In a little while, I was summoned to Savak
center. They had an interrogation session
for me. They started like this: khAr***,
mAdar***, k*sk*sh, j*k*sh, pedar*, what
did you think you are doing criticizing
the Shah in the U.S.?
What had I done that was so criminal in their
mind? I had simply wanted Shah's government
to respect the *rule of law*. When I had
been a student in the U.S., I was in
the Iranian Students Association (Confederation
of Iranian students).
Confederation had asked for freedom of Abbas Sheibani,
who I believe is a majles deputy now, Paknezhad,
and others from prison. We had condemned Shah's
regime for murdering Ayatollah Saiidi and others.
But weren't all these part of Iran's
Constitution of 1907? Why asking Shah's
government to respect the rule of the law
was so harshly received.
In fact, even years before that, in 1332, my
cousin (pesar amoo), who was with jeb-he melli,
had been shot by Shah's police on the occasion
of Nixon trip to Iran. They were the three
who were killed on 16 Azar 1332. Shariat-Razai,
Ghandchi, and BozorgniA. Again the victim
of Shah's disrespect for law. That used
to be called rooz-e dAneshjoo. Their fault
was doing a student strike which is a right
for students.
I think Savak actually helped the downfall
of monarchy in Iran. It made the reformers
ineffective and left the only option to
be the overthrow of the regime.
The ones who are in the footsteps of Savak
acting for IRI, are doing the same service
for IRI. I just hope the same bloodshed
does not happen and reformers be able to
establish the road of moderation this time.
When I see supporters of former monarchy
speaking of the past, I wonder why they
do not remember those days and how they
kept silent about the actions of Savak.
Today they try to speak in the soft tone
but who would dare to challenge them
those days.
Now they wonder why so many people hate
monarchy. Some of them still do not
condemn the Savak. When the best of Iranian
intellectuals were called as kharAb-kAr and
doshman-e Iran by Savakis, and they were
silent.
The real enemies of Iran were not the
intellectuals who were asking for democracy.
The real enemies were the Savakis themselves
who had made Iran a big jail to prison any
thought of democracy. And all the government
functionaries from Ali Amini to Dariush
Homayoon kept silent about it and they let
Iranian intellectuals to suffer.
When law is broken by the ones who
should uphold it, then revolutions happen
which will change the law and the ones
who are be in charge of upholding the law.
THe same Savakis are now doing their murdereous acts
in the name of Islam. These people have no respect
for Islam or Iran. All they are are bunch of
sick people who should never have the authority
or power in the first place.
I hope the broken mansions of the ones
who felt mighty, when riding their horse
those days can give the ones who are doing the same
today a lesson and history does not repeat itself:
hAn ey del-e ebrat bin
az dideh ebar kon hAn
eyvAn-e madAen rA
Aiineh ebrat dAn.
- Sam
yaran
>
> My Memories of Savak Interrogations
>
> It was 1973, when I had just finished the
> university and had returned to Iran starting
> to work.
>
> In a little while, I was summoned to Savak
> center. They had an interrogation session
> for me. They started like this: khAr***,
> mAdar***, k*sk*sh, j*k*sh, pedar*, what
> did you think you are doing criticizing
> the Shah in the U.S.?
>
> What had I done that was so criminal in their
> mind? I had simply wanted Shah's government
> to respect the *rule of law*.
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They were respecting the rule of law. Law
was corrupt and was written by the butlers of American.
It was Iranian parliment who
approved the capitualtion. By the way all
of them were fokol keravati who sufferred
from low esteem. (Taqizade and others west lovers).
*********************************************************
>When I had
> been a student in the U.S., I was in
> the Iranian Students Association (Confederation
> of Iranian students).
Were you a communist ? Was not the whole confederation
a communist organisation ?
>
> Confederation had asked for freedom of Abbas Sheibani,
> who I believe is a majles deputy now, Paknezhad,
> and others from prison. We had condemned Shah's
> regime for murdering Ayatollah Saiidi and others.
>
> But weren't all these part of Iran's
> Constitution of 1907? Why asking Shah's
> government to respect the rule of the law
> was so harshly received.
>
> In fact, even years before that, in 1332, my
> cousin (pesar amoo), who was with jeb-he melli,
> had been shot by Shah's police on the occasion
> of Nixon trip to Iran.
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This is what you are missing. Savak massacred
Ghandchi, Bozorgnia and Paknezhad to show to
American how they fight against communism.
In fact that was one of the major mistakes by
Savak because all the major activities of
Daneshkadeye Fanni started and MKO started
his underground activities afterward.
Badizadegan, Mihandoost, Said Mohsen and
many others were from the same college.
************************************************
> They were the three
> who were killed on 16 Azar 1332. Shariat-Razai,
> Ghandchi, and BozorgniA. Again the victim
> of Shah's disrespect for law. That used
> to be called rooz-e dAneshjoo. Their fault
> was doing a student strike which is a right
> for students.
>
> I think Savak actually helped the downfall
> of monarchy in Iran. It made the reformers
> ineffective and left the only option to
> be the overthrow of the regime.
>
> The ones who are in the footsteps of Savak
> acting for IRI, are doing the same service
> for IRI. I just hope the same bloodshed
> does not happen and reformers be able to
> establish the road of moderation this time.
>
> When I see supporters of former monarchy
********************************************************
Hallaj loved Farah Pahlavi, talk to him.
******************************************************
> speaking of the past, I wonder why they
> do not remember those days and how they
> kept silent about the actions of Savak.
> Today they try to speak in the soft tone
> but who would dare to challenge them
> those days.
*******************************************************
As all democracy lovers speak softly these days.
Those people who speak of monarchy are bunch
of loosers who defintely know that will die
in the west and will be burried under foreigners
dirt.
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>
> Now they wonder why so many people hate
> monarchy. Some of them still do not
> condemn the Savak. When the best of Iranian
> intellectuals were called as kharAb-kAr and
> doshman-e Iran by Savakis, and they were
> silent.
>
> The real enemies of Iran were not the
> intellectuals who were asking for democracy.
> The real enemies were the Savakis themselves
> who had made Iran a big jail to prison any
> thought of democracy. And all the government
> functionaries from Ali Amini to Dariush
> Homayoon kept silent about it and they let
> Iranian intellectuals to suffer.
*********************************************************
Savak and similar organisations around the world
was built as a result of orders from the above.
What was done in Iran was supported by American
and C.I.A. up until last minutes of corrupt
Pahlavi's government. Remainder of Shah around
Bahman 57 were more than happy to offer people
a pseudodemocracy such as Brazil or Argentina.
As a matter of fact Bakhtiar
was calling for democracy while he was killing
young heros in Azadi street (around meidane enghelab)
in a regular basis. The main point you are missing
is that fight was not over a western type democracy.
Otherwise I am quite sure that Shah would be
more than happy to offer people that.
A unified definition of democracy is far from
reality as Hezbe Rastakhiz claimed that it has its subcommittees
to create opposition in its heart. You see
how democracy can be manipulated by the corrupt
minds.
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> When law is broken by the ones who
> should uphold it, then revolutions happen
> which will change the law and the ones
> who are be in charge of upholding the law.
>
> THe same Savakis are now doing their murdereous acts
> in the name of Islam. These people have no respect
> for Islam or Iran. All they are are bunch of
> sick people who should never have the authority
> or power in the first place.
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Savak was crushed completely after the
revolution. The same democracy lovers were
crying for Nematollah Nasiri, Riahi and Hoveida.
Oh, by the way they are still crying for Bakhtiar, the murderer.
Taqizadeh: We should make Iran similar to a western
society from head to toe.
Gharbzadeh loves to follow the American order.
Zendeh bad yade shohadye daneshgah.
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ar...@my-dejanews.com
sa...@netcom.com (Sam Ghandchi) wrote:
> In a little while, I was summoned to Savak
> center. They had an interrogation session
> for me. They started like this: khAr***,
> mAdar***, k*sk*sh, j*k*sh, pedar*, what
> did you think you are doing criticizing
> the Shah in the U.S.?
Dear Sam,
Do you think that the person who keeps
calling you "k*sk*sh" and "j*k*sh" here
on SCI, is by any chance the same sAvAki who
called you those names while interrogating
you?
This reminds me of Roman Polanski's 1994
movie "Death and The Maiden".
(http://www.eonline.com/Facts/Movies/0,60,38900,00.html).
Adapted from a play by the Chilean writer
Ariel Dorfman, this is what the film is all
about:
"What would happen if one day, after the transfer
of power, you met the man who had tortured you
many years ago? What if the army was still strong
and would not accept any too-zealous pursual of
those who had committed human rights crimes
many years ago? What would you do if you had this
man all to yourself? Would you "disappear" him as
they "disappeared" you? Or would you hope that, in
time, he would be convicted for what he had done?
And, most importantly, what ought you to do?"
The story goes like this:
In 1975, as a young coed name Paulina is
walking from class, she is kidnapped by
Pinochet's police, and subsequently blindfolded
and tortured by a doctor who does his heinous
deeds to the sound of Franz Schubert's 'Death
and the Maiden' quintet.
Fifteen years later, and still not having
recovered from the trauma, Paulina (Sigourney
Weaver) is at the beach house, awaiting the
return of her diplomat husband Gerardo Escobar
(Stuart Wilson), who has just been named to a
commission that will investigate human rights
cases against the old government. He arrives
with a stranger whom he introduces as a good
Samaritan doctor Miranda (Ben Kingsley), who
helped him with a flat tire. Chills run down
Weaver's spine as the doctor speaks. She knows
that voice. And since there is no hope of gaining
justice from the courts, she decides to put
Dr. Miranda "on trial" herself. Confrontation
and revenge unfold as Weaver ties up Kingsley
and attempts to coerce a confession out of him,
but Wilson (and the audience) remains uncertain
of his guilt.
Below I have included an article by Ariel Dorfman,
as a tribute to all victims of torture.
Regards,
- Arash
From: http://www.amnesty.org.uk/journal_july97/carlos.html
Ariel Dorfman on Memory and truth
[A bridge: Ariel Dorfman's play Widows had its
European premiere in Cambridge in March. His
new short film My House is on Fire, made with
his son Rodrigo, has its world premiere at the
Edinburgh Festival in August]
Memory is a constant obsession for me. I deal often with
people who are fighting against those who would obliterate
others, who would forget them, ignore them, neglect them,
erase them from the earth. The extreme cases are a woman
who is tortured in Death and the Maiden, or in Widows it is
the case of the missing. Somehow the stories do come out,
those voices do come out. I am not their voice: I make a
space for those voices, a bridge.
The problem is people want to forget what was done to us.
Forget the repression and the violence. And disappearance'
wants to disappear not only the body, but the violence done
to the body. It wants to give it no burial place. That's
why Widows was a play I wanted to do so much.
Truth commissions are important. The structures of
transition around the world come out of negotiation with
the powers that were here before. Truth commissions are
able to establish certain truths in a public way, to become
part of official history. The previous regime lived by
telling this falsity: This never happened to you.' So it
must be established, by somebody representative of the
society, that these things did happen.
I believe my work has helped establish that existence too.
I do not write as a human rights activist. I do not think a
person who tortures is going to stop because they saw Death
and the Maiden, or that somebody who has "disappeared"
people will say I'll tell you where the body is because I
saw Widows and therefore I have had pangs of conscience'.
Symbolic punishment is important. I would be content if the
people who did terrible things to me and those I love came
to ask forgiveness, to say I will never do this to you
again, I am really sorry this happened. But until that
happens, I demand they be brought to justice, and the
justice I seek has to do with the truth.
How can there be like real peace and reconciliation without
this repentance? In Chile, neither the generals nor the
entrepreneurs are repentant. Truth commissions can move a
moral process, but morality cannot be decreed. Literature
and art can contain that pain so even those who hate me can
read what I say and understand something about themselves.
In Death and the Maiden, the human rights violations on
stage are the ones my heroine, whom I love dearly, does to
this doctor, who may or may not be innocent. I am
questioning ourselves. I don't see the enemies of human
rights question themselves.
In a transition to a democracy as in Chile, Bolivia, South
Africa, there are different reasons why people do not want
to remember. They say, Look, if we keep on stirring up the
past it's going to destroy us. This includes many who were
themselves repressed, hurt or part of the resistance.
Gerardo in Death and the Maiden does that, and the Captain
in Widows. There's a future ahead, let's turn the page,
let's forget this, let's start over again'. This is a
desire to reach a consensus about where the country is
going, and it means excluding those who continue to
remember. But the conflicts are real, you can submerge them
but not erase them.
Something submerged will always come up, like the bodies
come out of the river in Widows. They come from the
imagination, from the past, from the human soul. They come
from the bad conscience of the military, they are conjured
up from the mind, from history which says do not forget'.
And until we have put them to rest, have buried them well,
we cannot solve the problem.
There is another kind of pressure to erase the past. In all
the transitions to democracy, people are living in global
market economics. This model says: you are what you
produce, what you consume. Your value is your market value.
The ethic is based on breaking with your past and creating
a new identity: forget your past. Not only what was done to
you, but many pasts. The pasts of the identity, the
cultural past.
Many of the human rights violations we look at in the world
today are created by governments modernising their system,
to quell people, to make them afraid, to turn them into
mere consumers and mere producers. For Stalin, If 20
million peasants starve, too bad'. For the market today, If
20 million people in the third world haven't got a job, too
bad, who cares?'
The problems of memory are not only the problems of how we
remember horrors that were done to us, it also has to do
with where identity is. We have to start looking at these
questions carefully.
Interview: Carlos Reyes, Maggie Paterson
> My Memories of Savak Interrogations
>
> It was 1973, when I had just finished the
> university and had returned to Iran starting
> to work.
>
> In a little while, I was summoned to Savak
> center. They had an interrogation session
> for me. They started like this: khAr***,
> mAdar***, k*sk*sh, j*k*sh, pedar*, what
> did you think you are doing criticizing
> the Shah in the U.S.?
>
> What had I done that was so criminal in their
> mind? I had simply wanted Shah's government
> to respect the *rule of law*. When I had
> been a student in the U.S., I was in
> the Iranian Students Association (Confederation
> of Iranian students).
>
> Confederation had asked for freedom of Abbas Sheibani,
> who I believe is a majles deputy now, Paknezhad,
> and others from prison. We had condemned Shah's
> regime for murdering Ayatollah Saiidi and others.
>
> But weren't all these part of Iran's
> Constitution of 1907? Why asking Shah's
> government to respect the rule of the law
> was so harshly received.
>
> In fact, even years before that, in 1332, my
> cousin (pesar amoo), who was with jeb-he melli,
> had been shot by Shah's police on the occasion
> of Nixon trip to Iran. They were the three
> who were killed on 16 Azar 1332. Shariat-Razai,
> Ghandchi, and BozorgniA. Again the victim
> of Shah's disrespect for law. That used
> to be called rooz-e dAneshjoo. Their fault
> was doing a student strike which is a right
> for students.
>
> I think Savak actually helped the downfall
> of monarchy in Iran. It made the reformers
> ineffective and left the only option to
> be the overthrow of the regime.
>
> The ones who are in the footsteps of Savak
> acting for IRI, are doing the same service
> for IRI. I just hope the same bloodshed
> does not happen and reformers be able to
> establish the road of moderation this time.
>
> When I see supporters of former monarchy
> speaking of the past, I wonder why they
> do not remember those days and how they
> kept silent about the actions of Savak.
> Today they try to speak in the soft tone
> but who would dare to challenge them
> those days.
>
> Now they wonder why so many people hate
> monarchy. Some of them still do not
> condemn the Savak. When the best of Iranian
> intellectuals were called as kharAb-kAr and
> doshman-e Iran by Savakis, and they were
> silent.
>
> The real enemies of Iran were not the
> intellectuals who were asking for democracy.
> The real enemies were the Savakis themselves
> who had made Iran a big jail to prison any
> thought of democracy. And all the government
> functionaries from Ali Amini to Dariush
> Homayoon kept silent about it and they let
> Iranian intellectuals to suffer.
>
> When law is broken by the ones who
> should uphold it, then revolutions happen
> which will change the law and the ones
> who are be in charge of upholding the law.
>
> THe same Savakis are now doing their murdereous acts
> in the name of Islam. These people have no respect
> for Islam or Iran. All they are are bunch of
> sick people who should never have the authority
> or power in the first place.
>
> I hope the broken mansions of the ones
> who felt mighty, when riding their horse
> those days can give the ones who are doing the same
> today a lesson and history does not repeat itself:
>
> hAn ey del-e ebrat bin
> az dideh ebar kon hAn
> eyvAn-e madAen rA
> Aiineh ebrat dAn.
>
> - Sam
>
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Hallaj
>********************************************************
>Hallaj loved Farah Pahlavi, talk to him.
>******************************************************
You are quite new to this NG and are not familiar with my stand about
the former regime. Those who have been here before, do not
misunderstand like you did. But that should be an excuse for you to
lie in ruz-e roSan va jeloy-e hezArAn SCIy. I didn't confess any love
for Farah. I just wished her a happy birth day and I did it because I
wanted to say humanistic feeling does not need to be banned because of
political differencies. I am sure there are tumAr, after tumAr about
jenAyAt-e vahSiAne-ye frah-e dibA against ommat-e eslam. I know she is
mofsed-e felarz, mohAreb ba xoA va ......
But in my eyes her only fault was being Shah wife. And am sure if
yaran had her place he would not be any better replacement. zan-e SAh
budan mesl-e zan-e xomini budan ast. Of course nabAyad num-e bicAreh
rA bexAter-e gonAhAn-e hAj AqA mahkum kard!
Hallaj (believes had already said enough in previous post, of course
only honest people could see it)
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Padideh
ar...@my-dejanews.com wrote
[...]
>
>Below I have included an article by Ariel Dorfman,
>as a tribute to all victims of torture.
>
>Regards,
>- Arash
>
I enjoyed reading this. Thank you.
Padideh.
w00...@airmail.net
> [...]
I'm borrowing your post for a moment. Thanks. Maleki
>Sam Ghandchi wrote:
>> In a little while, I was summoned to Savak
>> center. They had an interrogation session
>> for me. They started like this: khAr***,
>> mAdar***, k*sk*sh, j*k*sh, pedar*, what
>> did you think you are doing criticizing
>> the Shah in the U.S.?
>>
That was those times. Nowadays nobody calls you "koskesh" for
criticizing Iran's leaders. If they call you "koskesh" now, it should be
for the high resemblance that the ideas of what's proper in SCI have, in
you and in a koskesh.
Maleki
--
--->> Please do not reply by private email. Thanks. <<---
w00...@airmail.net
> [...]
I'm borrowing your post for a moment. Thanks. Maleki
>Sam Ghandchi wrote:
>> In a little while, I was summoned to Savak
>> center. They had an interrogation session
>> for me. They started like this: khAr***,
>> mAdar***, k*sk*sh, j*k*sh, pedar*, what
>> did you think you are doing criticizing
>> the Shah in the U.S.?
>>
That was those times. Nowadays nobody calls you "koskesh" for
Hallaj
>Dear Sam,
>
>Do you think that the person who keeps
>calling you "k*sk*sh" and "j*k*sh" here
>on SCI, is by any chance the same sAvAki who
>called you those names while interrogating
>you?
I am sure if he is not the same interuator he is sende-ye hamun
savaakieh.
Hallaj (hates sAvAkis and these trashes at the same level)
Sam Ghandchi
Confederation before its split of 1974 had
jeb-he melli and leftists as its main
forces. But there were even pure Islamists
as well. Actually Mostafa ChamrAn was among
the original Confederation members in Berkeley.
In fact, most of the people in confederation
were not jeb-he or leftist or Islamist. They
simply believed in democracy in Iran.
It was more or less like SCI:)
Shah's regime was well aware of these facts
but always tried to misrepresent the reality.
- Sam
yaran (ya...@iraneaziz.com) wrote:
Sam Ghandchi
: On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:50:40 -0400, yaran <ya...@iraneaziz.com> wrote:
: > [...]
: I'm borrowing your post for a moment. Thanks. Maleki
: >Sam Ghandchi wrote:
: >> In a little while, I was summoned to Savak
: >> center. They had an interrogation session
: >> for me. They started like this: khAr***,
: >> mAdar***, k*sk*sh, j*k*sh, pedar*, what
: >> did you think you are doing criticizing
: >> the Shah in the U.S.?
: >>
: That was those times. Nowadays nobody calls you "koskesh" for
: criticizing Iran's leaders. If they call you "koskesh" now, it should be
: for the high resemblance that the ideas of what's proper in SCI have, in
: you and in a koskesh.
: Maleki
: --
: --->> Please do not reply by private email. Thanks. <<---
Mr. Maleki,
You claim to have me in your killfile but
you always jump in to borrow from someone's
post to respond to my posts.
OK. Let's see. You claim what I think is
proper on SCI is like a k*ksh. Now on an NG,
where can one see the k*k*sh's showing
what they find as proper? The k*k*sh's on
Usenet are in the "XXX" newsgroups and
websites. There is profanity and nudity
and the like that is pushed by them.
I wonder if you know who posts similar messages
on SCI and then you can see who thinks
of proper SCI conduct to be like them.
I certainly am not the one posting such
messages.
Now to be fair, I do not think you really
go for that either and I do not want to play
politics. I think in the beginning
you were upset with intimidation yourself.
I was not around when you started on SCI.
But I think as a self-defense, you created
this profanity shield and you became worse
than the ones you thought were forcing
good SCI contributors to leave SCI.
When I criticized you for asking people's
religion, everytime someone posted on SCI,
you were upset. I know you have a deep
belief that Baha'is and Jews have a conspiracy
against Islam and that is why you ask
this question, and you think it does
not matter to be PC. But it does matter.
It is such a usual question among the Indians
and Pakestanis, to ask people their religion,
when they first meet, and they do not mean
anything by that, but it is really uncomfortable
to many people. I am so glad that Iranians
do not have such a habit. This simply bothers
me.
Now you may think I am an asshole for
being so picky. Well maybe you are right.
I am too much of a perfectionist.
In fact, I think why you started your Guide
was for this purpose too. But I confronted
everyone no matter what ideology, on this NG,
to push for dialogue rather than shoAr and
fahAshi. Now I am sorry that when we got to
the point of taking action about the ones
defying the rule, all others stopped harrassment
but the ones defying it at that particular
time were you and your friends. This showed
folks on SCI that Usenet newsgroups also
have some mechanisms for protecting themselves
against abuse. I am sincerely sorry that
ghorey-e fAAl was on you guys. A friend of mine
told me that there are so many people
taking sticks and drawing lines on the street's
cement, but someone he knew got caught
by the police one night doing it on
the street with his friends and was put in
jail for something that has been so "usual"
among them.
I do not care if you are a supporter of IRI
hardliners. I think if you can contribute
to a FAQ for SCI, so much power to you.
I think your Guide is a good start and
you can get together with Dariush and
Sadegh and Mr Mojoman and Yek Irani and
amoojoon get a FAQ for this NG. You guys are
the ones who are putting energy here.
I can tell you honestly at least about
myself, why I am not as active on SCI as I would
like to be. I simply am not able to spend
that much time on SCI. I do not know about
the reason of others but frankly this is
the reason for me. When I read Yaran's
post and I know that the three student's name
can be corrected or in so and so's post I can
help by writing something I know but I simply
do not have the energy and time, I feel so
bad. In all honesty, you had spent
a lot of time on SCI during the last two years
and you deserve a credit for that.
I read only when you were posting unusual
views about Mogolian Invasion. I thought those
were interesting.
I believe now SCI is very to the point.
I do not know if my BOYCOTT suggestion
will be useful here if SCI gets to the
point of uselessness by new invasions
of XXX stuff later. But I think the
level of dialogue that I see on SCI
now is one of the best I had seen.
But I hope that the exchange of opinions
of opposite ends continues on SCI. I believe
real dialogue is the most valuable thing Iranian
intellectuals had wished for and SCI can be
a good vehicle to have all opposing views.
Good Luck,
- Sam
dari...@ix.netcom.com
>
> On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:50:40 -0400, yaran <ya...@iraneaziz.com> wrote:
>
> > [...]
>
> I'm borrowing your post for a moment. Thanks. Maleki
LOL! :):):) LOL! :):):) JUST like a child who has
'Ghahr-ed' from an ongoing party locking himself in a
nearby room and listenning to all conversation!!!! :):):)
>
> >Sam Ghandchi wrote:
> >> In a little while, I was summoned to Savak
> >> center. They had an interrogation session
> >> for me. They started like this: khAr***,
> >> mAdar***, k*sk*sh, j*k*sh, pedar*, what
> >> did you think you are doing criticizing
> >> the Shah in the U.S.?
> >>
>
> That was those times. Nowadays nobody calls you "koskesh" for
> criticizing Iran's leaders. If they call you "koskesh" now, it should be
> for the high resemblance that the ideas of what's proper in SCI have, in
> you and in a koskesh.
Please allow me to set up a lab experiment for you here:
a) Line up all the "kokesh" persons in the whole world.
b) Line up all SCIers behind the observation window.
c) ask them to find any familiar faces in the line-up.
d) observe that almost everybody is pointing at a certain
jerk from LA and your own Paranoid self. QED.
DariushA.
Kamran
>
> Yaran,
>
> In fact, most of the people in confederation
> were not jeb-he or leftist or Islamist. They
> simply believed in democracy in Iran.
> It was more or less like SCI:)
You mean Maleki and Farzin are freedom lovers ? Maleki
you are officially declared a liberal. How can you
go on living with this shame anymore. Tell Farzin to
terminate you immediately. He must have some experience
from his time in Savak.
Padideh
dari...@ix.netcom.com wrote
> LOL! :):):) LOL! :):):) JUST like a child who has
> 'Ghahr-ed' from an ongoing party locking himself in a
> nearby room and listenning to all conversation!!!! :):):)
My vision, Mi Lord, is somewhat different to yours. Basically,
the voice is coming from Zirzamin (aka anbAri) and the boy in
question is not there of his own choosing, if you follow my
drift.
*Note*
Those NOT in the boy's killfile, please do not respond to this post.
Thanks.
>
> DariushA
Padideh.
..
Amir Shahin Sharifrazy
I sympathise with your experiences with the Savak.
However, whilst I admit the atrocities they committed in the name of Iran
were very wrong. I am not at all convinced the Muslims are not and have not
already committed the same, if not worse, crimes against humanity. What did
they do to all the Shah's General's ???? and all his close advisors? ???
Every single person who would not denounce the Shah was murdered in cold
blood. I am not saying I support the Shah or anyone for that matter. I am
saying that they are both as bad as each other. They just use different
methods !
Looking at another perspective is this:
Is it not our, the people's, fault that we let the Savak have too much power
to kill our brothers and sisters ?? Should we have not done something about
it ???
The same way it's the Iranian's fault for letting the British and American
use as puppets. At the end of the day there are always people out there
waiting to use you, the trick is not to fall for it.
The way I see it is this. We were used because of our own stupidity. Whether
you want to blame the Shah, his wife or dog is your decision, what's done is
done and in the past. We, as human beings, have the moral obligation to
protect our people. Nobody has the right to take another's life other than
God.
Whatever religion tells you to kill in the name of God is the religion of
Satan, not God.
Iran needs a government that does not favour any religion or power. A
neutral body that gives ALL religions and parties an EFFECTIVE voice. It has
to have it's own army and it's leaders must be elected by the PEOPLE.
Only when ALL the people have a voice will Iran be at peace with itself !!!
Amir Shahin Sharifrazy
michelle
Amir Shahin Sharifrazy <sa...@virgin.net> wrote in article
<70qds8$kb3$1...@nclient1-gui.server.virgin.net>...
> ........
> The way I see it is this. We were used because of our own stupidity.
Whether
> you want to blame the Shah, his wife or dog is your decision, what's done
is
> done and in the past. We, as human beings, have the moral obligation to
> protect our people. Nobody has the right to take another's life other
than
> God.
> Whatever religion tells you to kill in the name of God is the religion of
> Satan, not God.
>
I was listening to Paul Harvey on the radio today, who said that he wished
that a law would be passed supporting the right of anyone to worship any
way they like,as long as they don't hurt anyone or any living creature
while they are doing it...
Michelle
Amir Shahin Sharifrazy
Massoud Ajami wrote in message ...
>
>Why is it that when Shah's generals poured the army against bunch of
Talabes
>who they didn't even have wooden stick in their hands, is not called "cold
>blooded murder?"
I agree with you Massoud, it was cold blooded murder. But what justification
is that for their murder?
>
>I believe all the generals, if they didn't flee, were Coutrmartialed for
>their atrocities!
Nobody has the right to judge or kill another human being, whatever their
crimes. We are no longer living in ancient times where Rostam would avenge
the death of an fellow Persian. Even in those times, Persians were famous
for their compassion and humanity, look at the declaration of human rights
!!!
What I want to know is, what on earth has happened to that compassion and
humanity ????
Amir Shahin
w00...@airmail.net
>What I want to know is, what on earth has happened to that compassion and
>humanity ????
>
>Amir Shahin
>
You need to first finger yourself so your eyes open :) Then gulp down a
beer in one continuous seep like Fardin drank dugh in amirarsalAne
nAmdAr movie. This will prevent your hang-over, they say. Then have Mom
straighten your tiny twisted penis so you would urinate right where you
should and not make a mess. If you're already handed over to the care of
a wife then have her do it instead. Then you need to finger yourself
once more to feel ready and conditioned for posting to a forum where
someone like me has access to. Now each time you want to FU to a post
like me you need to yet finger yourself a few more time as "durkhiz".
Cause you know what's coming to you. You'll be all-right then.
w00...@airmail.net
Amir Shahin Sharifrazy
Not a bad try, desert dweller !!! Vaguely amusing for for a person of your
intelligence.
But not good enough to hurt the feelings of a Iranian.
Better luck next time Malakh-khor !!!
Amir Shahin Sharifrazy
Scott Birch
Sam Ghandchi wrote in message ...
>
>I do not care if you are a supporter of IRI
>hardliners. I think if you can contribute
>to a FAQ for SCI, so much power to you.
>I think your Guide is a good start and
>you can get together with Dariush and
>Sadegh and Mr Mojoman and Yek Irani and
>amoojoon get a FAQ for this NG. You guys are
>the ones who are putting energy here.
Sam do you really think that you could pull _this_ one off? It would
be quite an achievement.
Maleki's post on Mongols was his best one, to my mind. It's sad
that a mind like that can post that kind of analysis (I did find
comparable depth on Mongol history after reading it, but I had
to spend much time looking) and also some interesting
personal anecdotes, can also spend so much time on vulgar
gobshite and hatred-spitting. He's posted some gems amongst
all that manure.
Maleki, if you're bothering to read this, you are at your most persuasive
and compelling when you post fosho-free stuff. That's when you really
keep your "enemies" on their toes :^)
Scott.
w00...@airmail.net
<sa...@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>Not a bad try, desert dweller !!! Vaguely amusing for for a person of your
>intelligence.
>
>But not good enough to hurt the feelings of a Iranian.
>
>Better luck next time Malakh-khor !!!
>
If you hammAl are Iranian I'm sure a Malakh-khor :)
A question for you (you didn't answer my first about your queen's stolen
money of Iran), how soon you hammAl will turn against her if she or her
son stops paying you? (time to finger yourself a few more times :) )
An hour later? A day? How soon? I'd say it is certainly within one week
cause even a hammAl like you could figure out in one week what his
paleolithic traits tell him. By the way a hair of an Arab is worth your
ten fingers and two ears :) Could be arranged to be exchanged too if you
insist my dear hammAl. Iranians deal with you at _your_ level.
Maleki
w00...@airmail.net
Amir Shahin Sharifrazy
w00...@airmail.net wrote in message
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>
>If you hammAl are Iranian I'm sure a Malakh-khor :)
At least you admit it.
>A question for you (you didn't answer my first about your queen's stolen
>money of Iran),
I did, you are just so blinded by religion you miss even the most obvious
things.
how soon you hammAl will turn against her if she or her
>son stops paying you? (time to finger yourself a few more times :) )
Nobody pays me Malakh-khor, I work for living. I, like millions of other
Iranians, don't sit on our arses waiting for Allah to give us money.
>An hour later? A day? How soon? I'd say it is certainly within one week
>cause even a hammAl like you could figure out in one week what his
>paleolithic traits tell him. By the way a hair of an Arab is worth your
>ten fingers and two ears :)
Well that just shows what kind of people we have in our country at the
moment. Need I say more ???
Could be arranged to be exchanged too if you
>insist my dear hammAl. Iranians deal with you at _your_ level.
You would be most welcome, peasant. However I tend to have sympathy for
animals, because of their inability to think for themselves. Therefore I
think it best you stop these games as I am not prepared to lower my dignity
by talking to you. You are obviously not capable fo having any sort of
normal, human discussions with people. So I suggest you keep your opinions
to yourself unless you have something remotely interesting to say.
>Waleki
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