The Ignore List (Rules of Netiquette)
Sam Ghandchi
The issues you are raising have been raised in different forms
in the last couple of years on SCI. The bottom line is
about what a democratic system is? The truth is that because
the laws are legislated democratically in a democratic
system, and people are judged democratically, the citizens
are *more* law-abiding than the countries that do not make
laws, judge, and execute laws democratically.
In fact, many in Iran think Americans are less law-abiding than
Iranians. Just looking at tax collection and driving in the
U.S. can prove them wrong. In fact, to the degree that laws
are *not* democratically legislated, the citizens are more
resistant to them even in the democratic countries. Examples
of the time of McCarthy and Vietnam War era are obvious
cases.
Now, the case that you mention, Abrams v. US, is a wrong
example to prove anarchy as democracy. Because that is
the case of undemocratic approach to *legislation* and it is not
about executive branch. The case of Internet, in contrast, is
that this medium has not found its democratic legislative,
judicial, and executive forms of management, and be sure
that it *will*.
In many other social areas, like the press, it took some time
before press laws were created and judges started to make
judgements based on them, and the executive branch started
to act on the judgements. Internet will go the same path,
and it will need time, and a lot of *international* approach
in this regard, to form its own democratic mechanisms
for proper management.
In its original form, Internet was *not* anarchy. Only
in the perception of the ones, who wanted to think of it
this way, it was. In reality, Internet was based on an
honour system, which one can even call a "feudal system":-)
But the honor system stopped functioning once the system
opened up to a large public, beyond the original academic
institutions.
That honor system still works in IETF, but it has
stopped working in the Usenet newsgroups for a longtime,
and this is why many of the oldtimers of these newsgroups
do not participate in the NGs as much.
The peer-level control system like the Ignore List will
work to a limited degree. But in the long run, the solution
lies in the formation of democratic instituions within
the Internet, for its legislative, judicial, and executive
needs.
It is a dream to think that Internet will be one big
anarchy. It never was and never will. It only means
that some newsgroups are practcally dysfunctional
because of the lack of Netiquette and because of
abundance of abuse.
The government acts that already are happening with
regards to the security break-ins, at places like Yahoo,
are the first areas that legal actions are getting the
headlines.
In a word, the democracy, as some young cab drivers
thought in Tehran in 1979, meant that they can pass
the red light, because "enghelAb kardim keh AzAd bAsheem".
That kind of percept is the percept of the abusers,
who just entered the Internet in big numbers, in
the last few years, and no matter how much one
talks of "honor system", and Netiquette to them, they
are not going to change to noble men.
Let me also note that if some good posters are even
able to write on SCI, and even communicate with these
abusers, without harassment, is because others
have stood up in many ways like creating the IgnoreList.
If it was otherwise, the same people would be under
harassment very highly as before.
I think ultimately the best guarantee for democracy
to exist in the Internet is democratic control
mechanism being able to function in this medium.
Otherwise it is as if a skin-head is allowed to go
inside a synagogue and scream profanity at the attendees
and one calls it democracy and free speech.
Regards,
- Sam
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: The Ignore List
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 09:37:09 GMT
From: Progenerate <proge...@my-deja.com>
Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
References: <38DDB0E3...@yahoo.com>
In a posting on a very interesting subject, Arman <Arma...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> I noticed that there have been quite a few people looking
> for the Ignore list on SCI in the past few weeks. Please
> let me remind you that there is a sequin on SCI WebSite
> dedicated to the list and some of the related articles.
> You can also add your name to the List from one of the
> pages. The section can be accessed from:
>
> http://www.sciran.net/ignorelist/Default.htm
>
> Regards,
>
> Arman
With respect for each of you and your opinions on this matter, I hope
you will allow me to make an observation based upon my own experience.
I am not from Iran and have never faced the type of regulation and
control that so many on this list oppose as is suggested to be in force
in Iran today and for the last two decades. As such, I am perhaps
unqualified to speak for anyone or on this subject as each of you have
strong feelings about ideas and written words that when applied (as they
have been in Iran) cause so much suffering for others.
I would like to offer my opinion and experience, from an American
perspective, on your desire to banish / or deter such obnoxious behavior
as is listed on the ignore list.
In reading through the web page attached to the message above, I noticed
how very democratic the process (in contrast to the undemocratic form of
control so many oppose in Iran, of which I only know of through the
media and the government). I would like to believe that despite
American failures in many endeavors, the ideals we were founded upon are
ideals all men, regardless of race or religion, should strive toward and
if necessary, die for. We may have written the words nicely on paper
over 200 years ago, but the ideals embodied in those words are felt by
all men, everywhere, throughout history. No one can claim those beliefs
as their own as they belong to everyone for the practice of those ideals
is (in my opinion) the highest calling for any man as they embody the
principles enunciated by Muhammad and Jesus.
Now, pulling this back to the Ignore List - In 1919 (off I go again for
one moment), a case went before the US Supreme Court (Abrams v. US). In
his dissent, Justice Holmes wrote that as obnoxious as ideas are, as
putrid to our sense of decency and our beliefs, in a democratic system,
those ideas must be permitted. He articulated what became known as the
marketplace of ideas or free trade in ideas. The premise was that the
obnoxious and prurient interests of some would get a public hearing of
sorts, by discussion. The more discussion the better for we then see
the folly of their ideas. In London they have a corner (I believe
Speaker's Corner) for such people to proclaim their beliefs. Whether
those ideas involve UFO conspiracies to a cover-up in Princess Diana's
death, the failure of the Labor party, or the end of the world. Every
idea is brought forward and given a forum. Then, rational people digest
the shit and discard the prurient for those ideas of value. In this way,
we all have the opportunity to understand what we do not like, what we
find dangerous and what we find obnoxious. Holmes suggested that the
most dangerous avenue would be to forbid the speech (this includes
written words) as it goes underground and festers. That abscess is what
he was concerned about not the ignorant ramblings of the obsessed or
mediocre.
There were other cases at the same time and after, that dealt with this
subject. Not all (in face few) have fully adopted his 'test' for free
speech, but the principle of his argument has remained. Despite the
fact I personally would like to ban the flag from being burned, what I
want is immaterial in relation to the essence of that freedom I wish to
see extinguished. Let moronic imbeciles burn my flag, let everyone see
what complete fools they be and then and only then will the flag truly
wave over a freer country. I find individuals who claim the US as
satanic to be silly and obnoxious. Is it up to me, or you, or anyone to
decide those foolish beliefs should be removed from discussion, that the
rights there embodied be denied. Some will say yes, and I do understand
and I am able to respect your opinion simply because I personally
believe the same. I set aside my personal beliefs when I argue for
freedoms that I do not believe we have a right to deny, anyone (no
matter how ignorant they may be).
Individually we each have the oppty to ignore someone's ramblings (such
as mine in this case). That is your freedom to exercise. Do you really
wish to see individuals you despise or dislike or are annoyed with,
simply go underground (so to speak) and fester their beliefs in a pot of
hate. I do not. They will rise up again in some unspeakable situation
and cause more damage than they can possibly do now.
This argument rages on in US courts today. Freedom of expression,
speech, and the media. This is a microcosm of a bigger issue and while
this will not impact those decisions, it will impact the principles.
You argue for a type of censorship, a type of exile, a type of
imprisonment for the ideas and the individuals who espouse those ideas.
This is not that far from separating out X people from Y, to protect Y
from X simply because X believes differently, looks different, dresses
different, speaks a different language.
It is of course up to you all and no matter your decision, you should
know I personally would vote to ignore and it would be very difficult
for me to set aside that intention and accept my own advice. I
suggested to someone they not ignore someone else because I believed
that person could learn, could see the picture from a different
perspective, if given the opportunity. When you exclude people, they
tend not to conform as quickly and sometimes not at all. Despite how
inane some of that persons ramblings were, I believe we can all change
(people and countries).
--
Very Respectfully and humbly submitted for your consideration.
:)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Progenerate
<ghan...@home.com> wrote the following which I will address one
portion at a time:
> Dear Progenerate,
>
> Now, the case that you mention, Abrams v. US, is a wrong
> example to prove anarchy as democracy. Because that is
> the case of undemocratic approach to *legislation* and it is not
> about executive branch. The case of Internet, in contrast, is
> that this medium has not found its democratic legislative,
> judicial, and executive forms of management, and be sure
> that it *will*.
Sam,
My intent was not to invoke the themes or underlying issues in the case,
but rather to simply present what was said in that case and has since
been invoked in many cases involving 1st Amendment rights (far from the
issue of anarchy that Abrams was grappling with). What Justice Holmes
said/wrote in that decision found its way into cases long after he left
the earth. Immediately following Abrams came Gitlow and
Whitney, Macintosh, and so many others that dealt with the same or
similar issues. Whether it was anarchy that brought the case to court
or (in Whitney) graphic print on a coat worn in court. Whatever the
issue was, the main underlying concern was freedom of speech (and what
constitutes same).
> But the honor system stopped functioning once the system
> opened up to a large public, beyond the original academic
> institutions.
the honor system cannot work among those who have no honor no matter how
you legislate it. I have raised an issue in another thread (something
about Iran and Republicans although I may be confused). The fact the US
government operates a system to spy on everyone and practically
everything everywhere in the world does not mean it is right nor that it
is constitutional nor that we want it to be so. They simply do it
despite legislation to the contrary. So to with the honor system and
your suggestion that eventually (and if I was adept with the keyboard
and knew how to type I would use the asterisk on certain words to show
emphasis) there will be some sort of oversight frightens me terribly. I
want no government whether local, federal, international, controlling
anything. I would actually like them to relinquish control of several
things. I pray they never figure out how to control/over-sight
properly. I write that despite the fact :) I wish a few people were
hauled off by authority figures and imprisoned for their crimes against
humanity (for wasting precious energy breathing and posting to any NG).
> That honor system still works in IETF, but it has
I am sorry I have no clue of what IETF is. I assume it is a moderated
group.
> The peer-level control system like the Ignore List will
> work to a limited degree. But in the long run, the solution
> lies in the formation of democratic instituions within
> the Internet, for its legislative, judicial, and executive
> needs.
I truly believe the American ideals, upon which this country was founded
are the greatest and noblest ideals ever devised by man. Man however
has failed to live up to the ideals. That does not mean our ideals are
flawed, simply the men who purport to uphold and defend them, are
flawed. These flawed men, champions of democracy as they claim, MUST
NEVER BE GIVEN the chance to formulate anything on the internet. I
would not trust an American who feigns allegiance to the Constitution to
formulate anything half way democratic. These pillars of freedom have
created trap doors in many programs disbursed around the world to
financial and governmental organizations. These programs allow backdoor
access to entire countries. These programs were devised in this country
and authorized by men who drape themselves in the flag. Your response
will be, let another democratic country take up the fight to formulate
democratic rules. My response will be - please. Without disparaging
others and I truly do not wish to do so nor to imply other countries are
not as democratic or more, except I wouldn't trust European democracies
any more than the US. that leaves few others and Canada and Australia
are knocked out by their being accomplices to US spy efforts on the
world. Who is left to formulate the rules? Academics? I'll tell you
and for no reason except to clarify where I stand in terms of piling the
shit. I am almost nearly half-way or so through a PhD program at UCLA.
I am as much of an academic as one can be without the title of
professor. I wouldn't trust academia any more than politicians. The
difference is, academia is far more arrogant than those in politics.
I would rather a farmer from nairobi devise the rules than allow a PhD
or JD or whatever anywhere to get near the thing. We left science to
the PhDs and they cloned sheep and pigs. I really do not believe they
know what is best for anyone except their own egos.
> It is a dream to think that Internet will be one big
> anarchy. It never was and never will. It only means
> that some newsgroups are practcally dysfunctional
> because of the lack of Netiquette and because of
> abundance of abuse.
That is the price of freedom. A price I will pay despite how I feel
about annoying mosquitos and other slugs. Unfortunately, people desire
continuity, consistency, and security. We sell our freedoms away for
those things. An American Statesman from two centuries ago said the
following (and I quote it because it is worth considering in this arena
and others we live with): They that can give up essential liberty to
obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
The man was Benjamin Franklin.
> In a word, the democracy, as some young cab drivers
> thought in Tehran in 1979, meant that they can pass
> the red light, because "enghelAb kardim keh AzAd bAsheem".
I don't understand the words in quotations, but assume it means
something about the fact they can do whatever because they can.
> If it was otherwise, the same people would be under
> harassment very highly as before.
I abhor harassment and understand your concerns. Perhaps the Vavak
should be given ... sorry. Again, within reason, that is a small price
for freedom. I would like to see mosquitos and slugs removed from
having any access to the internet. That is my personal belief and is
irrelevant when the issue is freedom. Today we take away her rights,
tommorrow they come for me and no one is around. We must tolerate
ignorance and moronic tendecies or the time will come when someoen does
not like what we write or think and when we protest (as Pastor Martin
Niemoller wrote) Then they came for me -- and by that time no one was
left to speak up.
> Otherwise it is as if a skin-head is allowed to go
> inside a synagogue and scream profanity at the attendees
> and one calls it democracy and free speech.
Sam, I may not personally like fundamentalist clerics. I may really not
like individuals who chant death to America and burn my flag. I may
wish them ill and personally would not care if a giant elephant squashed
them. What I believe is not important. What I will fight for,
regardless who espouses it, is the right to free speech and thought,
conscience, beliefs ... In your final sentence above, I may wish that
skinhead was squashed like a bug, BUT he has a right, within reason, to
express himself. The Supreme Court would probably find his ... well,
they don't find his actions, first the police must arrest him for it and
he appeals ..... ends in the Supreme Court. At that point, the Court
would probably find for the government. There are time and place
restrictions and such language in such a place may be expected to cause
distress and possible harm to individuals responding to the skinhead or
to the skinhead himself. However, if we pretend for a moment your
example was the first of its type, way back in 1914 - I would have to
ponder my decision as to whether his actions should be prevented or
permitted.
It is not that I agree with this ranting lunatics right to rant and rave
about moronic and insipid rubbish, but as soon as we limit their rights
we are ever so much closer to chopping away at our rights and they sure
as hell will not be around to fight with us against the government.
Sam, your argument is very good and as I have stated (MANY TIMES) I
agree with you about ignoring them. I would sign anything if it
represented my disdain for behavior exhibited, not to tamper with
freedoms. The document signed would be worthless except to show a
consensus of the population opposes certain behaviors and X does those
things and we do not like it and would appreciate him/her ceasing such
aberrant practices. You caused me to reconsider and evaluate your words
carefully. I am pleased there are individuals who hold such high regard
for liberty and who will, whether they themseles or others like them,
reinvigorate the Middle East with the same principles of liberty and
freedom.
--
Respectfully and humbly submitted for your thoughts,
BITCH GODDESS
Progenerate wrote in message <8bsjuf$cap$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
CAN'T STOP LAUGHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
YOU'VE BEEN UP ALL NIGHT POSTING TO THIS NG. ROFL.
CAN SOMEONE SAY...CARPAL TUNNEL SYNDROME?
LISTEN:
YOU'RE BLACK.
YOUR HAIR IS NOT SUITABLE FOR YOUR CHOSEN PROFESSION.
BLACKS AREN'T APPRECIATED IN THE MIDDLE EAST ANY MORE THAN THEY ARE IN THE
WEST.
CASE CLOSED.
:-(
TOO BAD FOR YOU....
I THINK "THE NATION OF ISLAM" HAS A SPOT FOR YOU IF YOU AREN'T A MEMBER ALREADY :-)
(LMFAO)
CyrusTheGreat
Sir ;
If I walk out in the street and call out eveyone ,whores ,sluts ,scums
,..... am I practising my freedom of speech ...?
Progenerate wrote in message <8bsjuf$cap$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
BITCH GODDESS
CyrusTheGreat wrote in message <8bsmk4$87d$1...@news.ihug.co.nz>...
>
>Sir ;
>If I walk out in the street and call out eveyone ,whores ,sluts ,scums
>,..... am I practising my freedom of speech ...?
DON'T FORGET NIGGERS ;-)
PBridge130
The lengthy discussions of the Ignore list vis-a-vis freedom of
speech/expression, may be interesting as debates of political theory, but have
little do do with the simple practicalities of the newsgroup. A newsgroup is
both a public forum and a social gathering, and the members of the social
gathering may deal with undesireable elements just as they would in 3-D life,
by electing not to associate with them.
The "Ignore List" isn't about preventing freedom of expression, it's about
allowing freedom of association -- and freedom not to associate.
Peter
MrMojoMan
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--- MrMojoMan
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PBridge130 wrote in message <20000329100709...@ng-cv1.aol.com>...
Sam Ghandchi
To answer your question, I would say it depends on the city
ordinanace. If the city ordinance allows it, then you are
not doing anything illegal. If not, you are. Now if the city
ordinance itself is created undeomocratically, then
breaking it may mean excercising your freedom. But
if it has been created democratically, then breaking it
means anarchy.
My example that if a skin-head goes to a synagogue
and gives death threats and profanity, etc at the people
who are there to pray also depends on the law
of the land. How the law has been legislated, judgements
reached, and acts executed.
Best Regards,
- Sam
--
http://www.iranscope.com
"CyrusTheGreat" <LongLiveIran@RemoveNoSpam_HotMail.Com> wrote in message
news:8bsmk4$87d$1...@news.ihug.co.nz...
Sam Ghandchi
Although I defer with you in my views, I respect your
opinion and thank you for your post.
For me, freedom of speech can exist only within democratic
institutions, and I consider anarchy as detrimental to freedom,
although it sounds very liberating. I welcome the formation
of such institutions in the Internet and I defer with you.
For me, democratic institutions in Western democracies,
with all their shortcomings, are preferred to anarchy. I see
anarchy as the other side of dictaroship and that it leaves
us at the mercy of dictators, although it paints itself as
if it is afraid that democratic institutions may take away
our freedom, by the mere reality that they are *institutions*.
This is where we differ, I believe. I believe if a skin-head
is allowed to go to a synagogue and scream death threats
and profanity at the participants, s/he should be arrested
and this is not against freedom of speech. If there are no
city ordinance, state laws, federal laws to stop him, then
they should be legislated, not adored as freedom of speech.
At the same time, I think skin-heads should be allowed
to have their own organization, paper, etc., as long
as they are not physically harming anybody.
Please also excuse me if I do not continue this discussion.
This has to do more with my limited time than desire.
Best Regards,
- Sam
--
http://www.iranscope.com
"Progenerate" <proge...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8bsjuf$cap$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Progenerate
You will be offended by what this individual has written and perhaps
even more offended by my response. I apologize. If I have offended
any human life form, I will immediately cease posting to any newsgroup.
This person has abused every restraint I can think of and blasted
blacks, Arabs, and anyone else. I feel disgrace and shame for the very
fact she exists if she is even a she. Perhaps some transsexual thing.
Once more, I apologize in advance and suggest you not read further.
In article <ZNkE4.2996$AW1.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"BITCH GODDESS" <MenRs...@Indeed.com> wrote:
> CAN'T STOP LAUGHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
> YOU'VE BEEN UP ALL NIGHT POSTING TO THIS NG. ROFL.
> CAN SOMEONE SAY...CARPAL TUNNEL SYNDROME?
>
> LISTEN:
> YOU'RE BLACK.
> YOUR HAIR IS NOT SUITABLE FOR YOUR CHOSEN PROFESSION.
> BLACKS AREN'T APPRECIATED IN THE MIDDLE EAST ANY MORE THAN THEY ARE IN
THE
> WEST.
> CASE CLOSED.
> :-(
> TOO BAD FOR YOU....
>
> I THINK "THE NATION OF ISLAM" HAS A SPOT FOR YOU IF YOU AREN'T A
MEMBER ALREADY :-)
> (LMFAO)
YOU KNOW WHAT YOU STUPID BITCH, I AM NOT BLACK. HOW FUCKING STUPID, BUT
THEN A WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT LIKE YOU WOULD "ASSUME", now wouldn't
you. You are so racist, so utterly contemptible. You stupid fucking
bitch, I feel so sorry for everyone who ever meets you, I used to
oppose abortion but I sure as hell wished your bitch had aborted you.
You have shown contempt for Arabs and demonstrated your fucking racist
idiotic ramblings. Go stand in the freeway you cow and pray that
Allah/God/Jehova squishes you fast cuz I would enjoy watching you in
agony.
I am not even fucking close to being black. What do you call someone
whose ancestors came from England, Ireland, Wales, and France? Hmmm.
It ain't black you stupid fucking cow. And what I am, is so irrelevant,
what anyone is is irrelevant. You disgust me. I will have to rethink
every opinion on free speech, every belief on allowing rancid shit like
you to run free. In a police state, shit like you would have been
stuffed away in a hole long ago.
As for being up all night you stupid fucking cow - who the hell are you
to assume even that. I log on 2 times, once in the early evening and
then once again very very early in the morning. Each time for 20-30
minutes. While I am on ... WHO THE FUCK CARES and why the fuck would I
tell you you slimy piece of dog shit. Obviously, you must be on to
assume .... What a fucking loser, racist pig.
Go fuck yourself and die. Perhaps I must also rethink my concern for
Americans. I used to think it necessary we communicate, that we (US)
some how see the error of our ways, in order to prevent some devastating
action in the Middle East and the US. I used to worry about the
tremendous loss of lives ... now, who the fuck cares you worthless pile
of shit. Let them blow you to fucking hell and everyone who thinks,
acts, believes like you. When it happens I will think very hard on why
I even cared.
Progenerate
Sir, I must apologize again. I cannot continue writing any post when
individuals such as the mosquito, the she-bitch roam around. I will
rethink my views on free speech because of her.
I realize perhaps you all have a valid point. Perhaps if everyone does
exclude and promises by that signature (consent) to not respond, write,
or otherwise deal with, individuals, perhaps it is for the best.
I am so ashamed of the ignorance that the she-bitch has demonstrated for
all to read. I feel shame at being part of the same species and I
ASSUME, part of the same race. However, even that is questionable. I
have never personally known anyone as absolutely stupid, infantile,
ignorant as she and free speech may well not be all it is cracked up to
be with shit like that polluting and contaminating. Perhaps she is an
sjdg.
NOW ... the answer to your question: Yes it would. If you were
arrested, convicted, took the case to appeals, and then to the Supreme
Court ... yes, it would be free speech.
Whether it is appreciated depends on who you are calling a whore. : )
In article <8bsmk4$87d$1...@news.ihug.co.nz>,
BITCH GODDESS
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
NIGGY, DID YOU GET A TAD UPSET???
AWWWWWWWWWWWW ;-) ;-) ;-)
DEAR BLACKO THE WACKO,
BLACKO-
YOU LIE :-)
ONE OF YOUR FIRST POSTS DESCRIBED VERY CLEARLY YOUR CHILDHOOD SHAME OF BEING
TAUNTED "BECAUSE OF YOUR SKIN COLOR". YOU MEAN TO SAY THAT THEY TAUNTED YOU
FOR BEING WHITE? OR ARE YOU SOME DISEASED BASTARD WITH PSORIASIS AND
THEREFORE YOU WERE TEASED FOR YOUR CANDY CANE APPEARANCE?
ROFL.
YOU ARE SUCH A LIAR.
STOP LYING YOU FOUL MOUTHED INBRED GRANDSON OF JIMMY THE JIVE TALKER ON
"GOOD TIMES"----- YOUR FAVORITE SHOW.
LMAO: WHY ARE YOU SO DEFENSIVE, NIGGY? HAHA....YOU FEEL THE NEED TO DEFEND
YOURSELF AGAINST EACH AND EVERY ONE OF MY ACCUSATIONS- YET: I FIND IT
DIFFICULT TO TAKE A WORD OF ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF YOUR PLATE-LIPPED
MOUTH SERIOUSLY.
NICE POST, BLACK BOY.
NICE OF YOU TO DISPLAY YOUR COMMON TRASH ORIGINS :-)
THAT DIDN'T TAKE TOO MUCH PRODDING, NOW DID IT??? ;-)
IN CLOSING,
YES, YOUR PRESENCE IS HIGHLY OFFENSIVE.
PLEASE STOP POSTING TO THIS NEWSGROUP :-)
-BITCH "WONDER" GODDESS SUPREME
Progenerate wrote in message <8btdge$8q4$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>To all in this newsgroup:
>
>You will be offended by what this individual has written and perhaps
>even more offended by my response. I apologize. If I have offended
>any human life form, I will immediately cease posting to any newsgroup.
>
>This person has abused every restraint I can think of and blasted
>blacks, Arabs, and anyone else. I feel disgrace and shame for the very
>fact she exists if she is even a she. Perhaps some transsexual thing.
>
>Once more, I apologize in advance and suggest you not read further.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>In article <ZNkE4.2996$AW1.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>"BITCH GODDESS" <MenRs...@Indeed.com> wrote:
>
>> CAN'T STOP LAUGHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>
>> YOU'VE BEEN UP ALL NIGHT POSTING TO THIS NG. ROFL.
>> CAN SOMEONE SAY...CARPAL TUNNEL SYNDROME?
>>
>> LISTEN:
>> YOU'RE BLACK.
>> YOUR HAIR IS NOT SUITABLE FOR YOUR CHOSEN PROFESSION.
>> BLACKS AREN'T APPRECIATED IN THE MIDDLE EAST ANY MORE THAN THEY ARE IN
>THE
>> WEST.
>> CASE CLOSED.
>> :-(
>> TOO BAD FOR YOU....
>>
>> I THINK "THE NATION OF ISLAM" HAS A SPOT FOR YOU IF YOU AREN'T A
>MEMBER ALREADY :-)
>> (LMFAO)
>
>
BITCH GODDESS
HAVE YOU SHORTENED ALL OF YOUR CLOTHING??
SJDG, HUH???
ROFL.
YOU FUCKING ASS LICKING LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!
LICK SOME MO ASS, BOY!!!!!!!!
Progenerate wrote in message <8bte3p$9fr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
La6red9nec
Here is the list especaily for you DonKoskesh :)
>Subject: Boycott List For A Better SCI
>From: "MrMojoMan" <mr_mo...@yahoo.com>
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>What this list is
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>Author#1: w00...@airmail.net (Mehram Maleki)
>[Will remove from Boycott_List when he stops harassment, intimidation,
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Well here is the low down on the SUCKERS on the BOY-CUT list:
>>1. MrMojoMan (10/31/98)
The SB of SCI.(what a drag it is getting old)
>>2. Padideh (11/1/98)
The Kolfat of SCI.(she is very horny these days.)
Favorite Movie: Wine me, Dine me, 69 me
>>3. Sam7 (11/1/98)
A SJDG of SCI.
>>4. Hallaj (11/1/98)
The Hammal of SCI.(he is in the hospital with back pains)
>>5. erooni (11/1/98)
A SJDG of SCI.(rumor has it he has been arrested for medicare fraud in the
farifax district)
>>6. dAyi Hamid (11/2/98)
The Ugly Face of sCI.(going through a very rough divorce, last I
heard was beat up by his wife's lover)
>>7. hyle (Sohayle S.) (11/3/98)
The Commet of SCI.(is doing night shift at a 7-11 near langley)
>>8. Kamran Behzadian (11/3/98)
The Confused SJDG of SCI.(has been doing pool work in Hawaii)
Favorite Movie: Pulp Friction
>>9. Amerika (Kenny) (11/4/98)
The Sheep of SCI. (last seen on Jerry Springer show titled:when
you find out your wife of 5 years has a dick bigger than yours)
Favorite Movie: Read my lips no more bush
>>10. DariushA (11/4/98)
>
"The Schizophrenic Kooni SJDG" of SCI.(investing heavily in Jim Beam stock, in
a proxy war to force
the board to open an online selling site in order to boost the price.)
Favorite Movie: Schindler's Lust
>>11. Moxles (11/5/98)
The Brainless Padoo of SCI.(still trying to figure why there is 69 in my ID)
>>12. CRnguyen (11/5/98)
The Kook SJDG of SCI.(last seen kidnapping his nieghbors dog for the last
tet festival)
>>13. Yek Irani (11/6/98)
>
The Aldang of SCI.(still crazy after all these years)
>>14. Arman (11/6/98)
A SJDG of SCI.(has become a day laborer in LA, learning spanish to prevent
accidents on the construction sites)
>>15. Amir Sanjar (11/6/98)
The Mammad Booghi of SCI.(last seen in bankok with a cigar)
>>16. Mashdi (11/7/98)
One of the above under an alternative ID.
>>17. Mariam Ispahani (11/7/98)
The Mutant Freak of SCI.(fainted when her husband ran out of the batromm
shouting:
"honey I shrunked the dick")
Favorite Movie: We have a tie here
- Four weddings and a honeymoon
- Honey, I blew... Everybody
>>18. Majnoon2 (11/7/98)
One of the above under alternate ID.
>>19. Amir Alizadeh (11/9/98)
Writes only in Farsi.(taking intensive english lessons)
>>20. haft (11/9/98)
The Las Vegas SJDG of SCI.(still wating for the chief Rab-Eye to declare him a
real SJDG)
>>21. Saman Ahmadi (11/10/98)
The Junior SB of SCI.(currently spreading the "healing balm" in Honduras)
>>22. Dadashjoon (12/1/98)
Who the fuck are you?
>>23. Gheirati (1/13/99)
The Kashi SJDG of SCI(is it safe?)
>>24. Amir Shahin Sharifrazy (1/30/99)
The "I could have been sombody" of SCI.(still hanging the pictures of his
family with the late shah on the concrete walls
of the overpass)
>>25. Keyvan Sani (1/30/99)
The Sanitaion worker of SCI.(stuck in deep dodo for a while)
>>26. Alex Nouri (1/31/99)
The "All Kos" of SCI.(doing time on indecent exposure charges)
>>27. Jonathan Sarkarati (2/6/99)
The Iranian-American SJDG of SCI. (can't decide to marry inside the clan or
fuck it all and marry an American SJDG JAP)
There you have it folks. A true characterization of these losers.
It's been fun for me, I hope you like it too :)
BITCH GODDESS
I AM ALMOST CERTAIN THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHO YOUR FATHER IS.
YOUR VIOLENTLY DEFENSIVE REACTIONS GIVE CREDIT TO MY THEORIES..... WHILE
YOUR ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT ME REMAIN WAY OFF.
POOR MYSTERY, SECRETIVE, ASHAMED- OF- HIS- RACE- MAN...
YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT :-)
Progenerate wrote in message <8bte3p$9fr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
BITCH GODDESS
You Wish
;-)
I shant forget thee, CyrusTheGay :-)
CyrusTheGreat wrote in message <8btln3$sfi$1...@news.ihug.co.nz>...
>You must be quite a Psychic to be able to see the genetic makeup of someone
>behind this network.REDNECK has the the same talent .
>
>Now here is an example of freedom of speech ... A Psyshic or rather a
Psycho
>woman residing in a mental clinic who made her Iranian boyfriend run away
>logs in with a straight jacket and expresses herself !!!.
>You posts are all funny Jessica...... go get a job
>
>
>
>BITCH GODDESS wrote in message
><_7rE4.3297$AW1.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
>>>> CAN'T STOP LAUGHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>>
>>>> YOU'VE BEEN UP ALL NIGHT POSTING TO THIS NG. ROFL.
>>>> CAN SOMEONE SAY...CARPAL TUNNEL SYNDROME?
>>>>
>>>> LISTEN:
>>>> YOU'RE BLACK.
>>>> YOUR HAIR IS NOT SUITABLE FOR YOUR CHOSEN PROFESSION.
>>>> BLACKS AREN'T APPRECIATED IN THE MIDDLE EAST ANY MORE THAN THEY ARE IN
>>>THE
>>>> WEST.
>>>> CASE CLOSED.
>>>> :-(
>>>> TOO BAD FOR YOU....
>>>>
>>>> I THINK "THE NATION OF ISLAM" HAS A SPOT FOR YOU IF YOU AREN'T A
>>>MEMBER ALREADY :-)
>>>> (LMFAO)
>>>
>>>
CyrusTheGreat
>>> CAN'T STOP LAUGHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>
>>> YOU'VE BEEN UP ALL NIGHT POSTING TO THIS NG. ROFL.
>>> CAN SOMEONE SAY...CARPAL TUNNEL SYNDROME?
>>>
>>> LISTEN:
>>> YOU'RE BLACK.
>>> YOUR HAIR IS NOT SUITABLE FOR YOUR CHOSEN PROFESSION.
>>> BLACKS AREN'T APPRECIATED IN THE MIDDLE EAST ANY MORE THAN THEY ARE IN
>>THE
>>> WEST.
>>> CASE CLOSED.
>>> :-(
>>> TOO BAD FOR YOU....
>>>
>>> I THINK "THE NATION OF ISLAM" HAS A SPOT FOR YOU IF YOU AREN'T A
>>MEMBER ALREADY :-)
>>> (LMFAO)
>>
>>
CyrusTheGreat
It is part of her character to be bitchy ...you should not blame yourself.
She is here for a reason .Her targets are men ,regardless .
Progenerate wrote in message <8bte3p$9fr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
CyrusTheGreat
From: BITCH GODDESS <MenRs...@Indeed.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Date: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: The Ignore List (Rules of Netiquette)-BLACKO STRIKES AGAIN!!!
BITCH GODDESS
holy shit. YOU REALLY ARE AN IMBECILE!!!
SOWWEEEEE :-(
CyrusTheGreat wrote in message <8bv15g$f6e$1...@news.ihug.co.nz>...
CyrusTheGreat
wonders and perhaps keep you away from this NG till the next rush of
hormones into your brain......
If that worked we will all put in some pity cash and buy you a dildo from a
salvation armys 2nd hand shop to keep you away from us permanently..
BITCH GODDESS wrote in message ...
BITCH GODDESS
CyrusTheGreat wrote in message <8bv4l7$kqa$1...@news.ihug.co.nz>...
>....and you the Einstien I guess ... go get laid ....it would do you
>wonders and perhaps keep you away from this NG till the next rush of
>hormones into your brain......
YOU, AS A FAG, ARE HARDLY CAPABLE OF RELATING TO THE "RUSH OF HORMONES" IN A
WOMAN'S "BRAIN". LMFAO. WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT? HAHAHA...SILLY BOY!!!!
>
>If that worked we will all put in some pity cash and buy you a dildo from a
>salvation armys 2nd hand shop to keep you away from us permanently..
I DON'T THINK YOU'D NEED TO GET ANY "PITY" CASH.
I'M SURE YOU WOULD JUST SELECT A DILDO FROM YOUR OWN EXTENSIVE COLLECTION.
(BUT NOT THE STUDDED ONES!!! THOSE ARE YOUR PERSONAL FAVORITES!!!)
THANX, BUT NO THANX.
AND PLEASE....YOUR MESSAGES AREN'T EVEN AMUSING.
YOU COULD AT LEAST PUT A BIT OF EFFORT INTO THEM.
:-( :-( :-(
Reza
[...]
From: BITCH GODDESS <MenRs...@Indeed.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Date: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: The Ignore List (Rules of Netiquette)-BLACKO STRIKES AGAIN!!!
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michelle
Sam Ghandchi <ghan...@home.com> wrote in message
news:QbpE4.1959$k5.3...@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com...
> Dear Progereate,
>
> Although I defer with you in my views, I respect your
> opinion and thank you for your post.
>
> For me, freedom of speech can exist only within democratic
> institutions, and I consider anarchy as detrimental to freedom,
> although it sounds very liberating. I welcome the formation
> of such institutions in the Internet and I defer with you.
>
> For me, democratic institutions in Western democracies,
> with all their shortcomings, are preferred to anarchy. I see
> anarchy as the other side of dictaroship and that it leaves
> us at the mercy of dictators, although it paints itself as
> if it is afraid that democratic institutions may take away
> our freedom, by the mere reality that they are *institutions*.
>
> This is where we differ, I believe. I believe if a skin-head
> is allowed to go to a synagogue and scream death threats
> and profanity at the participants, s/he should be arrested
> and this is not against freedom of speech.
This theory is being tested in the US right now...
the offender is arrested or told to get lost,he
then comes back with a gun and shoots everyone...
it makes me think about Iranian justice and after
1000's of years...the punishment is very harsh there
but these kind of crimes are very rare if at all,you
have to take it to those kind of extremes to ultimatley
stop it.I wonder though if there isn't a better way to
handle situations...the man comes into the synagague
screaming...maybe the group could ask him to please join them...he keeps
screaming ...again more niceness...
the man then wonders what's wrong with these people
and either walks away confused or joins in...this is a very
naive example but with few exceptions it has always worked
for me.You need to realize that not everyone is going to
think like you and me and accept that.
Michelle
mma...@freewwweb.com
editor you might have that writes in Persian and
can save in html format. Just type it in nice Persian
alphabet, save it as htm file, and attach it to your
email. You must also tell us (in the email, in English)
what particular font you used so we use the same font and
read your Persian lines. This is the only information
needed. I think the font "Persian Web" is very appropriate,
and everyone can download it free from Turaj Enayati's site
at: http://www.isc.com.au/WebFonts/
I'm suggesting Persian Web because it also comes already with
ParsNegar software which many Iranians use for communicating in
electronic Persian. But as I said, as long as your software
can type in Persian and save in htm format we will be able to
use our usual browsers to read it, only requiring the name of
the font you used.
Hope to see your Persian lines in nice Persian alphabet
as well :)
Maleki
Reza
>
> You can easily post in Persian alphabet using any
> editor you might have that writes in Persian and
> can save in html format. Just type it in nice Persian
> alphabet, save it as htm file, and attach it to your
> email. You must also tell us (in the email, in English)
> what particular font you used so we use the same font and
> read your Persian lines. This is the only information
> needed. I think the font "Persian Web" is very appropriate,
> and everyone can download it free from Turaj Enayati's site
> at: http://www.isc.com.au/WebFonts/
>
:-), Thanks for the information. I am not a civilized person!!! in the
sense that I do not have any PC! The only thing that connects me to this
e-"donyA"! is just a terminal in my office, and I do not even drop by
over here every day... I usually use netscape, sometimes version 3.1 and
sometimes version 4.7, to read SCI. I do not have any Persian editor and
I guess it is not an easy task for me to install one in our system as I
know nothing in this area... On the other hand, I have got used to
"gerdsooz". So it is just that I am comfortable with it and it takes
care of my Persian lines! As for the fonts, according to the general
preferences of the netscape I am using, here are the information
regarding the fonts:
Font for the encoding: Western(iso-8859-1)
The proportional font: Fixed (Misc) Size: 14.0
The fixed font: Fixed(Misc) Size: 14.0
Hope that helps. See you next week, probably on Friday, over here...
"zat ziyAd", Reza.
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