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haftkhat

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Mar 20, 2002, 5:56:32 PM3/20/02
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http://www.atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2002-03-20/fishwrapper.html


The spy story is even more touchy because it isn't Saddam, Fidel,
Osama or even what passes nowadays for the KGB spying on America --
but our "friend" in the war against "evil," Israel.

Duane Hoberg

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Mar 20, 2002, 9:02:20 PM3/20/02
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Hi Haftat,

I'm not trying to question your own credibilty as a poster, but I *am* a
little concerned about the validity of the article because of the website it
is posted from. On the other hand I'm not all *that* surprised. I seem to
remember hearing on a news show that there are *some* young Israelis who
have become so disillusioned by their own government and their treament of
the Palestinians that they *may* be trying to work with Muslim extremists to
try and destroy Israel and the United States. I can't remember where I
heard it, though.

Kris *Seeker of Truth*


I.K. Flin

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Mar 20, 2002, 10:09:40 PM3/20/02
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Kris:
My question still stands. Why would these students "spy" on the DEA?
Furthermore, why would they be a target of DEA investigation? DEA's
major focus is the distribution of narcotics-not chemical weapons. I
still haven't seen anything about why these "spys" would want to have
anything to do with the DEA or vice versa. There is no connection.
Furthermore, the idea that they would be "spying" on Arabs in the US
doesn't explain their presence in American military institutions nor
their desire for access to American documents-top secret or otherwise. I
would like to see any report before jumping to any conclusions. The
Drug Enforcement Agency of the US is responsible for licensing health
care practitioners and institutions for the proper handling of
narcotics. I think the "sensitive" documents these students are after
have more to do with the health care system in the US if DEA is
involved. This disturbs me.

I.K. Flin

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Mar 20, 2002, 10:50:31 PM3/20/02
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Wow. Thanks for the info. Ecstasy made a comeback in the 80's legally
(more as an antidepressant and possible cure for female impotence which
is usually psychological rather than physical-male impotence has a
physical root most often)but the FDA felt the drug was too dangerous and
pulled it off the market for good. It went underground after that and
this explains where it is coming from. This drug burns more brain cells
than you can imagine and yes it is addicting (amphetamines usually are).
It's described as LSD and methamphetamine rolled into one. Certain
newspapers have written that Ecstasy is not as dangerous as it is
purported to be yet I don't think the FDA would pull a prescription drug
off the market without having a great deal of evidence that it causes
substantial side effects. Most drugs stay on the market after approval
unless they have known teratogenic or carcinogenic properties, or are so
lethal in certain cases that the risks have greatly outweighed the
benefits to the patient population. After a drug is approved for
prescription, the lethality has to be proven before the FDA halts
further production.

David Ehrens wrote:

> "I.K. Flin" <rs...@cox.net> wrote in
> news:3C995FCB...@cox.net:
>
> ...

>
>>My question still stands. Why would these students "spy" on
>>the DEA? Furthermore, why would they be a target of DEA
>>investigation? DEA's major focus is the distribution of
>>narcotics-not chemical weapons. I still haven't seen
>>anything about why these "spys" would want to have anything
>>to do with the DEA or vice versa. There is no connection.
>>
>

> This is an August 2001 article from the contemporary Jewish
> magazine, "Moment", which describes the 'Ecstasy' trade:
>
> http://www.momentmag.com/archive/aug01/feat1.html
>
> there may be a very obvious connection. It even mentions the
> DEA.
>

Maleki

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Mar 20, 2002, 11:40:10 PM3/20/02
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I still don't believe it. They might've done something
on the side for Mossad, as every Israeli or Jewish
person does indeed, but their main enterprise must've
been either drugs or porn or both. Some clues to their
drug selling activities are made in this article but as it
is not a typical American reader's point of curiosity or
concern they're just concentrating in this article on the
spying angle of their presence in USA.

I (and any Iranian with a head on his shoulder) have nothing
against Israeli spying in USA. They need to do it, and for Iran
it works better if Israel has ever more influence over
Americans. Therefore this angle of the story is of no
significance to me (or any Iranian). What disgusts me is
that always present mentality and character of an Israeli
behind this. A drug runner in spirit and heart. A porn seller.
And I said it before that I still give more chance that this aspect
of their activities has had more than anything else to do with
their getting deported, not their (usual) moonlighting for Mossad.
Moonlighting for Israel has been a constant feature of life for
all the jews around the world and there's nothing new or unusual
in it.


"haftkhat" <vdr...@icqmail.com> wrote in message news:61663493.02032...@posting.google.com...

Duane Hoberg

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Mar 21, 2002, 12:27:29 AM3/21/02
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Iris,

You'll have to excuse me if I seem a little spacey, (two part-time jobs and
a cleaning business! Pant! Pant! Pant!) This was kind of what I was
indirectly referring to. I totally agree with you. In the back of *my* mind
as impossible as it sounds though, I'm thinking some of these Israeli's
*could* be working for the extremists to try and destroy our government from
within. Remember the fiasco about the *brand new* Military plane which was
sent to China that was discovered to be filled with bugging devises? What
would stop an undercover spy working in *our* military from doing something
like that in order to discredit the US?

As far as the situation envolving the DEA, I also agree, that's a definate
concern too.

Take Care,

Kris *Seeker of Truth*

-----------------Iris said-----------

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I.K. Flin

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Mar 21, 2002, 10:04:45 AM3/21/02
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Kris,
Read the article posted by David Ehrens. It pretty much sums up what
the mess is about. Apparently these "spies" are involved with ecstasy.
Isreali mafia dealing drugs world wide. Makes sense now.

I.K. Flin

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Mar 21, 2002, 12:14:21 PM3/21/02
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Too busy! I'm sick today and I intend to stay home from work (caught the
kids highly contagious bug and can't seem to shake it). Been working a
lot too. Sometime I hope to win that lottery to put my finacial worries
at rest.

I.K. Flin

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Mar 21, 2002, 12:18:15 PM3/21/02
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David,
I think most of us are too busy with the day to day routines to be
bothered with spying and would prefer to leave that to those who get
paid to do it. Most reasonable people look at risk vs benefit ratios
before taking a job like that anyway.

David Ehrens wrote:

> "Maleki" <male...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:a7bojc$k0ql2$1...@ID-20678.news.dfncis.de:

>
>
>>I still don't believe it. They might've done something on
>>the side for Mossad, as every Israeli or Jewish person does

>>indeed, ...
>>
>
> This is "indeed" not fact. The little old ladies in my
> synagogue are neither equipped to be secret agents nor
> interested in this as a new career. Myself, I'm too busy going
> back to grad school, making my children do their homework, and
> helping my son with his Bar Mitzvah preparation. It's the same
> in Israel. Where on earth do you get these ideas, or were you
> just saying this to see who was awake?
>

haftkhat

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Mar 21, 2002, 7:43:07 PM3/21/02
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"Duane Hoberg" <dho...@kc.rr.com> wrote in message news:<Mabm8.72653$q83.14...@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...

> Hi Haftat,
>
> I'm not trying to question your own credibilty as a poster, but I *am* a
> little concerned about the validity of the article because of the website it
> is posted from. On the other hand I'm not all *that* surprised.


Dear, as long as i provide a link to the report(or article)
in my posts, creditability of such should stay on the shoulder
of reporter(or writer) of such, not me. I just found it
interesting and want to share it with you all here since i
follow the world news daily, not to mention that i try so hard
to read between lines.


>I seem to
> remember hearing on a news show that there are *some* young Israelis who
> have become so disillusioned by their own government and their treament of
> the Palestinians that they *may* be trying to work with Muslim extremists to
> try and destroy Israel and the United States. I can't remember where I
> heard it, though.

believe or not, i heard the same thing in numerous occasion
regarding Orgs. like "Peace Now" and "Gush-Shalom", so thats
nothing new to me.
Its ultra clear zionism propaganda, you know. its like pals
always terroists and zionists are always defending. hehe

however if you take a look at the page(url) one more time,
its clearly says "News > FishWrapper" whilst you have to
keep in mind that israelis spying on US. or anyone else
ain't a new phenomena.

http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_91000/91260.stm

Israel admits it spied on US


http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_91000/91250.stm

Israel acknowledges its spy in US prison


http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_60000/60242.stm

Israel apologises to Swiss over spying


http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_208000/208368.stm

Israel undertook to take steps to end the practice in 1997, after
Israeli agents were caught carrying doctored Canadian passports.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_888000/888604.stm

The United States has asked Israel to help track down a US Army
Reserve intelligence officer who is believed to have deserted,
possibly with classified information.

I've got more links if you interested, eh?


>
> Kris *Seeker of Truth*

haftkhat

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Mar 21, 2002, 7:52:05 PM3/21/02
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Dear, thats a good question.

no.1 supplier of most terrorist groups in the world
are drug cartels ( Columbia is a great example, even
taliban in Afghanistan ).
how? (you may ask) "they share a common enemy"

Do you see now how DEA comes into the picture?


"I.K. Flin" <rs...@cox.net> wrote in message news:<3C995FCB...@cox.net>...

haftkhat

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Mar 21, 2002, 7:54:46 PM3/21/02
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I wish it was that "EASY" but its NOT.

"I.K. Flin" <rs...@cox.net> wrote in message news:<3C9A0764...@cox.net>...

Maleki

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Mar 21, 2002, 10:40:02 PM3/21/02
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"David Ehrens" <ehr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns91D8C1E...@65.96.0.182...

> "Maleki" <male...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:a7bojc$k0ql2$1...@ID-20678.news.dfncis.de:
>
> > I still don't believe it. They might've done something on
> > the side for Mossad, as every Israeli or Jewish person does
> > indeed, ...
>
> This is "indeed" not fact. The little old ladies in my
> synagogue are neither equipped to be secret agents nor
> interested in this as a new career. Myself, I'm too busy going
> back to grad school, making my children do their homework, and
> helping my son with his Bar Mitzvah preparation. It's the same
> in Israel. Where on earth do you get these ideas, or were you
> just saying this to see who was awake?

You're all moonlighting for Israel (Mossad) in various inconspicuous
roles, small hours small pay, something to keep you feel good about
yourselves I guess, a choice extra activity to break the tedium of your
regular jobs. We had a three-decade period of the workings of this
"fact" in Iran by 1979 alone. From mid-WWII and after. I don't know
about it since 1979. Also your own runaway agent (Ostrovsky) hinted
on it. Zionism itself was a form of that "fact", and shows this thing
among you has been around for at least a century.

As I said, I have no objection to that being practiced in USA. Anyone
in your shoes would do same and good luck with it. The more you
can influence Americans the safer my country will be in the final
analysis.


Duane Hoberg

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Mar 22, 2002, 1:33:12 AM3/22/02
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Hi Iris,

>>Too busy! I'm sick today and I intend to stay home from work (caught the
kids highly contagious bug and can't seem to shake it).

Bummer! I just got over the flu myself! <<<G!>>>>

>>Been working a lot too. Sometime I hope to win that lottery to put my
finacial worries
at rest.

If you win can you share it with a buddy? <<nudge, nudge wink!>> lol

Now go to bed and get well soon! That's an order!

Kris *Seeker of Truth* (Who's holding a symbol of protection infront of her
computer screen!) lol


I.K. Flin

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Mar 22, 2002, 10:35:44 PM3/22/02
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haftkhat wrote:

> Dear, thats a good question.
>
> no.1 supplier of most terrorist groups in the world
> are drug cartels ( Columbia is a great example, even
> taliban in Afghanistan ).
> how? (you may ask) "they share a common enemy"
>
> Do you see now how DEA comes into the picture?
>
>
>


I see how the drug money fits in to purchase military might. So the
terrorists are supplied money through the major "mafia" groups.
Therefore allegiance isn't to any specific religious organization nor
any governmental entity but to the drug cartels and the protection of
their trade.

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