Iran's greatest 20th century feminist and a Bayani: Sadiqa Dawlatabadi
Ruhaniya
her did the Bahaim produce? None!
http://www.iisg.nl/collections/dowlatabadi.php
Sédighé Dolatabadi (Sadiqeh Dowlatabadi), daughter of Haj Mirza Hadi
Dolatabadi was one of the vanguards of the women's movement in Iran.
She was born in 1882 in Isfahan. She began her education in Persian
and Arabic under teachings of Sheikh Mohammad Rafi Attari in Tehran,
and learned her intermediate classes from the then-teacher of the
Daral-Fonoun (Polytechnic institute). At the age of 15 she married Dr.
Etezadulhukama. In 1917 she returned to Isfahan, and opened the first
school for girls in the city. One year later she established the
Association of Isfahan Khawateen (Society of Isfahan Women). During
these activities she opened a school for poor girls named
Ummulmadares. All of these activities had a positive impact on the
education and training of women.
In the year 1919 Sédighé Dolatabadi published the first women's
periodical in Isfahan called Zaban-e Zanan (The Women's Voice) which
was faced with opposition from Mulahs in Isfahan.
After ending the publication of Zaban-e Zanan in Isfahan, Sédighé
Dolatabadi went to Tehran and once again started publishing it in the
form of a monthly magazine. During this time, in 1921, she also
established an association called Anjuman-e Azmayeshe Banuwan (Society
Testing Women).
Sédighé Dolatabadi went to Europe to complete her education. She
succeeded in receiving her B.A. from the Sorbonne University. In the
spring of 1926 she represented the Iranian women in the International
Alliance for Women's Suffrage. She returned to Iran in 1927, and
started her cultural activities without veil, while removal of veil
was announced in the year 1935 in Iran. Sédighé Dolatabadi accepted
her appointment to the post of Supervision of Women's Education within
the Ministry of Education, Pious and Light Industries in 1928. The
next year she was appointed to the post of the General Directorate of
Inspection of the womens' schools. And in the year 1936 she was
appointed in the Kanoon-e Banuwan (Women's Association).
Sédighé Dolatabadi once again started the publication of Zaban-e Zanan
in 1942, and published it once a month in the form of a magazine. In
1947 she participated in the Congress of Women's International League
for Peace and Freedom, where she delivered a speech about Iranian
women.
Sédighé Dolatabadi died in 1962 at the age of 80.
Although information about the women's movement in Iran can be traced
before the constitutionalist period of 1905 - 1909, the declaration of
constitutionalism provided mental and political changes for Iranian
women. The women's movement gained strength and expansion under the
shadow of this movement. Under such circumstances a number of trained
Iranian women began action towards the literacy of women,
establishment and expansion of women's schools, and establishment of
women's associations. They started publishing newspapers and magazines
for women. And they struggled to achieve their voting and political
rights, active participation in cultural and political fields, and
equal rights as men had. In such a way the great women's movement was
founded.
Sédighé Dolatabadi was a vanguard of this movement. For alleviating
illiteracy she established schools for girls. She started establishing
women's associations, which played an important role in participation,
strength, and views of literate women at that time.
Publishing of the newspaper Zaban-e Zanan was one of the valuable
activities of Sédighé Dolatabadi. The magazine Zaban-e Zan was the
third specialized publication in Iran and the first publication
abroad. Despite unfavourable conditions, Sédighé Dolatabadi was able
to publish the publication for two years in Isfahan. The newspaper
Zaban-e Zanan was the first experience in journalism for Iranian
women. At the beginning this newspaper devoted its time more to
affairs related to women. Gradually Sédighé Dolatabadi, who was one of
the swift political activists for women's equality, dragged it to
cover daily affairs, which was prohibited in those days. Because of
its political and social stance and most of all because of its
criticism of the famous Wusuqqudawla agreement (1919) the newspaper
was stopped from publishing. Subsequent to its cessation and due to
opposition and provocations, the activities of Sédighé Dolatabadi were
even more restricted, and she left the city.
Chosing the name of Zaban-e Zanan for the newspaper was an obvious
contradictio to its purpose, and its meaning was to demonstrate this
to established attitudes. In the prevailing ideas, Zaban-e Zan should
be short. 'Long tongue' (or too much talking) had negative
consequences for women. But by naming the newspaper Zabane Zan,
Sédighé Dolatabadi not only ignored the prevailing (ghaleb) design but
also gave it a positive meaning. The newspaper Zabane Zan was putting
forward in its pages the modern theory issues like social democracy
and socialism, which can be an indication for Sédighé Dolatabadi's
attempts for providing necessary theoretical columns for the women's
movement in achieving their individual and social rights.
In the title of the newspaper was written: 'Only the writings of women
and girls are accepted, and our office is free in reductions or
additions...'. In this context the newspaper pages were the monopoly
of women, because it was literally the tongue of women. The language
of the newspaper is swift. However it avoids using obscene words, and
obeys the respect of the words and the glory of the pen. The
publication is in simple language and well understandable, and the
newspaper tries to avoid using non-Persian words, reflecting them with
equivalent Persian words.
Sédighé Dolatabadi, one of the vanguards of the women's movement has
done valuable work in regard to education and awareness of women, in
publishing the newspaper, in the struggle towards equality of the
right of women. In this respect she tolerated accusations and
allegations.
The memories, notes, personal letters and official briefs to the
government departments, articles by Sédighé Dolatabadi and the pages
in the Zaban-e Zanan magazine are special and important documents in
the new historical researches with regards to the works and the
history of the women's movement during the first half of the twentieth
century.
The personal archive of Sédighé Dolatabadi has been given to the
department of Middle East and Central Asia of the International
Institute of Social History by her honorable family. They include:
Telegrams and official letters on the first trip of Sédighé Dolatabadi
to Europe (1923-1924)
Personal correspondence; Letters from Paris and Berlin to Qamar Taj in
total 56 letters. (1923 -1961)
Administrative letters, order, letter of commendation and letter to
prime minister dr. M. Mossadeq (1929 -1952)
Miscellaneous documents (1937 -1962)
Articles and speeches (1938 -1956)
Zaban-e Zanan (The Women's Voice) No. 1 (December 1942)
Zaban-e Zanan (The Women's Voice) No. 4 (August 1944), No. 7 (November
1944), No. 8 (December 1944)
Zaban-e Zanan (The Women's Voice) No. 1 (March 1945), No. 2 (May
1945), No. 3 (June 1945), No. 4 (July 1945)
Handwritten and printed copy of the short story "Tragedy" and part of
the play
Statutes of the "Foundation Banuwan"
The press about mrs. Sédighé Dolatabadi
Text: N. Kawyani
PaulHammond
This whole article doesn't seem to mention her religious beliefs
anywhere.
Paul
paha...@onetel.net.uk
> Martha Root couldn't carry this great woman's stockings! How many like
> her did the Bahaim produce? None!
>
The Baha'is produced YOU!
Personally, I'd say that was more than enough to wipe out the memory
of about 5 Martha Roots.
But if you want to take your negative contributions over to the "Con"
scale of the Babis, by all means be my guest.
mash_ghasem
> Where does she call herself a Bayani, Nima?
>
> This whole article doesn't seem to mention her religious beliefs
> anywhere.
>
> Paul
>
Even if she was a Babi, what is it got to do with mulllah lover Nimo?
Probably she is turning in her grave just becasue this IRI agent is
mentioning her name. Taking all her achievements by the same mullahs
Mr. Nima supports.
> > Text: N. Kawyani- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
mash_ghasem
> On 3 Mar, 09:51, Ruhaniya <wahidaza...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Martha Root couldn't carry this great woman's stockings! How many like
> > her did the Bahaim produce? None!
>
> The Baha'is produced YOU!
..... and what a blunder!!!! ;-)
Ruhaniya
> Where does she call herself a Bayani, Nima?
In the place where she is the daughter of Mohammad Hadi Dawlatabadi,
the putative successor of Subh-i-Azal, and the sister of Yahya
Dawlatabadi, the putative successor of his father.
> This whole article doesn't seem to mention her religious beliefs
> anywhere.
So what?
W
Ruhaniya
Ruhaniya
On Mar 4, 2:59 am, pahamm...@onetel.net.uk wrote:
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 2003
Ruhaniya
Newsgroups: talk.religion.bahai, soc.culture.iranian,
alt.religion.bahai
From: mash_ghasem <ghyath_ab...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:42:55 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Feb 18 2009 5:42 pm
Subject: Re: Sex for Conversion: 8 Baha'i women arrested on Kish
Island, Iran
Why don't you cut the crap. Go to Iran, infront of Fezieh Qom and
sell some of your garbage. Video type and post it in youtube. Please
try. I don't know Steve Blomberg but does he know you what kind a
garbge and lajan you are? If I were him I would distance myself from
lajan like you.
-
The evidence:
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/t...
Newsgroups: talk.religion.bahai, soc.culture.iranian,
alt.religion.bahai
From: mash_ghasem <ghyath_ab...@yahoo.com>
Date: 5 May 2007 18:07:02 -0700
Local: Sun, May 6 2007 11:07 am
Subject: Re: To Baha'is harrassed by Nima Hazini aka Wahid Azal
xar bAbAieh jAkeshteh madar ghahbie azali.
ozgal hezbullahi. hammal go find a donkey with shakh.
If you didn't find one ,get a shakh out of your jendeh nanah
and put it on a donkey ozgal. bacheh gerti zan jendeh.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.bahai, soc.culture.iranian,
alt.religion.bahai, alt.religion.islam, soc.culture.australian
From: steveblomb...@yahoo.com
Date: 5 May 2007 18:45:14 -0700
Local: Sun, May 6 2007 11:45 am
Subject: Re: To Baha'is harrassed by Nima Hazini aka Wahid Azal
Desperate?
Hezbullahi?
This drugged donkey is just gone mad moaning like a pig.
That just proves you donkey carry on your back a big load of shit all
the time and you never let it down.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.bahai, soc.culture.iranian,
alt.religion.bahai
From: steveblombe...@yahoo.com
Date: 5 May 2007 18:52:57 -0700
Local: Sun, May 6 2007 11:52 am
Subject: Re: To Baha'is harrassed by Nima Hazini aka Wahid Azal
For those who are not familiar with what this drugged donkey calls
sweet Persian poems, I provide you with some translation of what this
This horned donkey had to say about himself:
He is lamenting over aperiod of his childhood which he remembers as
being financially rewarding when his father used to bring men to
their
house and his mother would entertain them by all means.
So, when he grew up he decided that he would follow the path of his
great father. He got married and brought men into his home and got
his
wife to entertain them by all means and he made sure that he himself
was not around to cause any inconvenience.
He then tells us that his legacy continues and he is passing it on to
his future generationa.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.bahai, soc.culture.iranian,
alt.religion.bahai, alt.religion.islam, soc.culture.australian
From: mash_ghasem <ghyath_ab...@yahoo.com>
Date: 5 May 2007 18:59:13 -0700
Local: Sun, May 6 2007 11:59 am
Subject: Re: To Baha'is harrassed by Nima Hazini aka Wahid Azal
Desperate hezbullahi fits you and your wife Nima just fine ;-) check
it again moron.
An doe shakh gAv gar khar dAshti
yek shekam bar adami nagozAshti
Look at mirror aladang and report back if you see shakh! :_) BTW
where is the princess? ;-)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.bahai, soc.culture.iranian,
alt.religion.bahai
From: steveblomb...@yahoo.com
Date: 5 May 2007 19:02:13 -0700
Local: Sun, May 6 2007 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: To Baha'is harrassed by Nima Hazini aka Wahid Azal
Dear drugged donkey
This is who hezbullahis are:
Ishraqat, Tarazat, Tajaliat, P.1; P. 12; PP.14-15.
"O Hezbullah!
in the early days there had been revealed .. for instance passages
such as these 'the necks have stretched out in discord, where are the
swords of thy power O Dominant of the worlds!' ...."
-
Get new alzheimers medication, SHABAAN BEE-MOKH!
-
LIBER DECATRIARCHIA MYSTICA: Sketchings of the Thirteen Encompassing
Spheres of the Tree of Reality & Assorted Material (Library of the
Most Great Name: Eastern Coast, Australia, 2006), p. 26-27.
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=zzwwkCzNQzQC&printsec=frontcover&...
“…in Appendix B I demonstrate with solid textual sources the very
evidentiary historical proofs for the allegations I am making here
against Baha’ism. Nor am I one averse to polemic when it is
rightfully
called for nor am I prepared to tone down my righteous invective
against such minions of the counter-initiation in order to compromise
the Truth in the name of political expediency. Others are welcome to
continue the charade - to their certain doom and inevitable peril -,
but that is not what I am about. I brook no compromises with the Lie
nor do I take any prisoners in my just war against it. My weapons
here
are the Word and the Truth, and nothing else. Experience has proven
time and again that the Biblical Whore of Babylon cannot be coaxed or
persuaded into changing its long established pattern of unmitigated
pure evil. As James the Teacher of Righteousness and his partisans
did
in 66-67 CE, albeit unsuccessfully, one must storm the Temple in
order
to reclaim it from the sullied hands of evil and so thereby expel
those usurpers illegitimately occupying it, forcefully pushing them
and their fellow-travelers out by the proverbial sword - going for
the
jugular, as it were - thereby constraining them forever to heel for
the Good of All whilst the Truth sheds its Light erasing the shadowy
darkness that they are and have always been. Note that after I am
finished with Baha’ism, that is precisely what I also plan to do with
the Islamists as well, but obviously on a much, much grander scale,
and beginning with the mulláhs in Iran.”
Ruhaniya
> Even if she was a Babi,
Dear olaagh/donkey, one of the first things the mullahs and your
Muslim Hezbollah counterparts did once they consolidated their power
was to desecrate her grave, the grave of her father Hadi Dawlatabadi
and that of her brother Yahya Dawlatabadi specifically for being
"_Babis_." Sadiqa was a Bayani to her dying breath and she was
specifically buried as one. If you actually have any real "Babi"
friends, which you don't, why don't you ask them and they'll tell you.
She had an especial affection for my great ancestor Tahirih
Qurrat'ul-'Ayn who she not only considered to be her role-model and
paragon, but cherished equally in its appropriate Bayani religious
context. But seeing how unlike you Bahaim the Bayanis have never
ostentaciously displayed their creed to every naneh qamar and
proseltyzed to all and sundry, she never wore her spiritual beliefs on
her sleave as you Bahaim do like the nitwits that you are and actually
did what you Bahaim only talk endlessly about but do nothing, nada, f-
all, about.
Furthermore, some Ohio born fifth columnist foreign spy like Martha
Root had nothing on Sadiqa Dawlatabadi. And there was absolutely no
one comparable to her amongst the Iranian contingency of Bahaim
either.
W
Ruhaniya
All Bad
"Ruhaniya" <wahid...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f32d58a4-d940-4272...@a5g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> Speaking of CON scales
[Out with old con and in w/ Starr*'s version]
Starr*: I am and have been an Australian Citizen since 1991 and have
paid annual taxes from my company of approximately $50,000 per year
for
many years. So lets clear Nima's sick sick spin up. OTOH, Nima has
never held a job except as the janitor for his parents apartments while
collecting Oz study monies, therefore, he never paid ANY taxes because
his income was too low. His parents were always looking for the rents
he was supposed to have collected while manning the apartments (and
even brought police with them to collect it while I was there)...so
maybe there is money he hasn't claimed to the tax office. His two
identity bankruptcy is another matter. At least I was smart enough not
to give him any money except $60. I once wired to his account when he
was destitude. Too bad Harry Duran and others got taken for ten
thousand dollars each by him.
>From what nima wrote it sounds like he fell out with his parents again
and he is trying to get me to do his duty work by posting what he
wrote about their money dealings.
As far as I know the only money you (Nima) had was what your parents and the
govenment gave/gives you, plus your two credit cards that are maxed out
in the name of Nima Hazini and your other identity of Wahid Azal - so
you had no money for me to ever get. In any case if it were true you'd
have evidence - something that could never exist.
Not so long ago there was a post about you (nemo) stealing money from one
of Pat's family when you were visiting in America. It seems to be your
pattern....Just as harry had said you did to him. So ripping off ideas
and money is something you have always done long before I knew you; and
then you turn around and accuse the person you stole from of doing it
to you. I guess there are years and years of people saying this about
you on these newsgroups. No wonder your mother told the police you are
a meance to society and should be locked away (now that is something on
police records that I know of).
From:Susan Maneck
Date Sun, Dec 8 2002 2:27 pm
Dear Corax,
<Does that answer your questions?>
Well, I've got some more as I am just now beginning to put the pieces
together. So you are the Ali Duran who was once a Babi? And were you
then an Ismaeli or somethin? I remember some posts from you in regards to
Nima's days as a Nimatullahi shaykh. Were you a part of that order too?
Didn't you say
that Nima ripped you off of a lot of money?
What was that all about? At the time I think you had decided that all
religion was bunk. Looks like you've been through a lot of changes.
warmest,
Susan Maneck
Associate Professor of History
Jackson State University
http://bahaistudies.net/susanmaneck/
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From: Corax - view profile
Date: Mon, Dec 9 2002 12:19 am
I posted the article to show that Nima's ideas are not uniquely his nor
are they revealed by special dispensation to him but are in fact culled
from other sources, most notably from Talisman and elsewhere. Nima did
in past refer to "theophanocracy" as Culhane's idea when I first met him,
how he can then make the audacious claim that Culhane ripped him off is
puzzling especially since he claimed Culhane was his friend. Now the second
letter of perdition, Culhane seems to have fallen far in Nima's estimation,
just
goes to show you how meaningful friendship is in Nima's emerald crimson
Kitab.
Of course resorting to ad hominems only weakens Nima's case - such as the
appeal for you to have a black professor man make you a natural woman
- the misogyny and racism of that statement was not lost on me and other
readers of this list and betrays Nima's real attitudes towards women and
Blacks. I wonder how the Maid of Heaven feels about that one, or Star*
the champion of female liberation?
Of course King Ricardo Cole must be laughing up his sleeve at all of
this in his Ivory Tower of liberalist speculation, prime mischief
maker that he is.
Corax
--
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From: Corax -
Date:Mon, Dec 9 2002 12:29 am
From: Corax <cor...@elp.rr.com>
Organization: Road Runner - Texas
Newsgroups: talk.religion.bahai
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 16:19:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Letters of Negation
Nima did in past refer to "theophanocracy" as Culhane's idea when I
first met him, how he can then make the audacious claim that Culhane ripped
him off is
puzzling especially since he claimed Culhane was his friend. Now the second
letter of perdition, Culhane seems to have fallen far in Nima's estimation,
just goes to show you how meaningful friendship is in Nima's emerald crimson
Kitab.
From:Corax -
Date:Mon, Dec 23 2002 11:50 pm
From: nimah...@onthenet.com.au (Saoshyant6)
Organization: http://groups.google.com/
Newsgroups: talk.religion.bahai,soc.culture.iranian,alt.religion.bahai
Date: 14 Dec 2002 19:08:39 -0800
Subject: Proof baha'i is a Cult
UHJ communique to baha'i administration worldwide. This cult is
Stalinism with a vengeance.
Yeah right Nima Hazini and Crowleyism isn't a cult.
You surprise me and I had thought better of you that at least you
would not stoop to scraping the bottom of the barrel by claiming to be the
thelemic successor. Better check your tarot cards again Nima Hazini
because the Tower and the Devil are in your spread.
Corax
*******
Ruhaniya
On Mar 4, 1:00 pm, "All Bad" <AllBad_notrea...@md.metrocast.net>
wrote:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli
Pat Kohli, or Patrick Kohli, is a member of the Haifan Baha'i Faith[1]
who makes regular contributions to the USENET newsgroup
talk.religion.bahai[2]. He is a computer programmer who has worked on
software for various projects, including military systems.
Contents [hide]
1 Background
2 Articles and Resources
2.1 Related SourceWatch Articles
2.2 References
2.3 External Articles
[edit]Background
He "is a computer scientist assigned to 4.5.3.3. He works for PMA-231
as the Open Architecture (OA) IPT lead, in the OA/FORCEnet IPT of the
Network Centric Warfare IPT. Prior to this he worked at Saint Inigoes
for 4.5 and developed a prototype next generation flight data
recorder, using COTS components, to meet incident reporting,
maintenance and FOQA needs. Pat also supported the old PMA-282 which
did weapon control systems for guided missiles. Pat has an MS in
computer Information Systems from Florida Tech." [3]
"Pat Kohli, NCW Open Architecture Lead, demonstrated how the E-2/C-2
program office (PMA-231) is continuously evaluating and implementing
software modernization to facilitate transition of the existing E-2
operational flight program to an environment using commercially
available systems. Venlet said, "The Naval Aviation Enterprise has
embraced open architecture as a fundamental building block of weapon
system development from its very inception. Our government/industry
teams continue to leverage these open system strategies and concepts
in achieving reduction in overall development cycle times and
delivering increased system capabilities to the Fleet faster and
cheaper. The advantages of integrating open architecture designs and
contracting strategies are measurable and pronounced as is
substantiated by our E-2D Advanced Hawkeye and P-8 Multi-Mission
Aircraft development programs. The key to continued success will be
maintaining the close partnership with industry experts, as we provide
the right capabilities, at the right time and right cost to the joint
warfighter."The E-2 Hawkeye team has been representing and directly
supporting Venlet's executive office - the aviation domain lead for
open architecture initiatives - since June 2004, because of its role
as a battle management command and control platform and a central
network communications node in aviation. E-2 Program Manager Capt.
Randy Mahrsaid, "Today's evolving E-2 open architecture model paves
the way for a more mature system to be used by the E-2D prior to it
taking its place in the fleet."[3]
Pat Kohli has maintained a consistent web presence since the late
1990s, particularly on USENET, addressing both external critics and
dissenters within the Haifan Baha'i Faith tradition to which he
belongs [5]. In 1998, he voted against the creation of the USENET
group, talk.religion.bahai, as an un-moderated discussion forum for
issues relating to the Baha'i faith [4]. Official discussion regarding
the creation of this group may also be found at: [6]. He posts under
the handles Mr All Bad and All_Bad [5]
[edit]Articles and Resources
[edit]Related SourceWatch Articles
[edit]References
↑ Letter from Assistant Secretary, Kishan Manocha, on Behalf of
National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is of the United Kingdom [1],
dated October 8, 2002, Accessed 17 February, 2009.
↑ Discussion Archive of USENET group Talk.Religion.Baha'i, [2],
Accessed February 17, 2009
↑ 3.0 3.1 Drema Ballengee-Grunst, "Assistant SecNav visits NAVAIR T&E
laboratory", November 10, 2005.
↑ Record of votes cast regarding the creation of the USENET group,
talk.religion.bahai,[3], Accessed February 17, 2009.
↑ Excerpt from USENET group talk.religion.bahai,[4], Accessed February
17, 2009.
[edit]External Articles
Retrieved from "http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli"
Categories: United States | Religion | Military | War/peace
Aor
Aor
> The Baha'is produced YOU!
See how *real* Enantiodromia works, how the Ourbouric Serpent swallows
its own tail! Got to marvel at the mysterious Handiwork of the Great
Artificer of the Kosmos, the One True Godhead, Who can produce the
greatest Living enemy of Haifan Bahaism from within its very own
ranks, just like It produced an Abraham and Muhammad from within the
very ranks of the idol worshipers It determined to efface!
> Personally, I'd say that was more than enough to wipe out the memory
> of about 5 Martha Roots.
Alhamdulillah, and thanks for the feedback. From your own testimony,
it appears I am scruplously performing the Work assigned to me by
Providence to effectuate that very thing to the letter and the dot!
Subhan'ullah Ya Ahsan'ul-Khaliqin/Glory be to the Godhead, O the Best
of all Creators!!!
<bs snip>
W
Aor
Aor
mash_ghasem
> CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
>
> On Mar 4, 1:00 pm, "All Bad" <AllBad_notrea...@md.metrocast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
Why don't you respond rather than cut and paste and repeat the same
thing again and again and again. Have some respect for yourself.
Seriously Nima, have some respect for yourself.
.
Death to Haifan Bahaism
> Why don't you respond rather than cut and paste and repeat the same
> thing again and again and again.
Javaab-i-ablahaan/response to idiots....
> Have some respect for yourself.
Pot calling the kettle black! Have some respect for yourself, Sasan.
How low can you go in shamelessly kissing Haifan Bahaim ass like you
do and maliciously lie as you do constantly. And why is Sadiqa
Dawlatabadi such a threat to you people <rhetorical question>?
Death to Haifan Bahaism
maybe...@gmail.com
You and Mr Kohli are skating on very thin legal ice as it is. Now what
kind of response would you like, Mash? Something that more clearly
addresses the continually disproven and libelous claims regarding
Wahid Azal's affiliation with the mullahs and the IRI? Or the equally
slanderous claims regarding his family and financial history?
All Bad
<maybe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ae8bb07-e62e-470c...@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 4, 2:15 pm, mash_ghasem <ghyath_ab...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 3, 10:46 pm, Ruhaniya <wahidaza...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
>
> > On Mar 4, 1:00 pm, "All Bad" <AllBad_notrea...@md.metrocast.net>
> > wrote:
>
> Why don't you respond rather than cut and paste and repeat the same
> thing again and again and again. Have some respect for yourself.
> Seriously Nima, have some respect for yourself.
>
> .
MIA1: You and Mr Kohli are skating on very thin legal ice as it is.
AB: Was it your, or W. Azal who first said that Kohli had expertise w/
UAVs? Sure, you want to downplay the damage done to his reputation, but
Azal said he was a war criminal and lied about my posting history here in a
weak attempt to bolster his libel.
MIA1: Now
AB: Did something change since then, since when?
MIA1: what kind of response would you like, Mash? Something that more
clearly
addresses the continually disproven and libelous claims regarding
Wahid Azal's affiliation with the mullahs and the IRI? Or the equally
AB: But they are not disproven. Recently Paul pointed out that W is utterly
humorless, and apparently it is easier for you to see things his way and
there may be a good explanation for that. W seems serious in his baseless
accusations of a Baha'i IT Comittee. Years ago he claimed that a Baha'i,
Mark Foster, had told him of the existence of some activity that sponsored
Baha'is to be active on the internet. W accused Kohli, Dr. Maneck, and
others of being on a committee and being paid $10,000 per year to post on
the internet. They denied this. Foster even showed up on TRB to deny ever
telling W such a thing. But the story goes on in W's mind, w/o evidence,
and even when the evidence disproves the story. He demands tax returns to
either prove the income, or accuse his alleged committee members of tax
cheating - the less evidence he has, the greater his allegations are!
AB: Recently there was another chapter in this psychedelic W story. He
posted on TRB a demand that AO state there was no such committee by end of
February. AFAIK, he never sent his request to the UHJ. In his warped mind,
this is proof - an accusation repeated, even though it is repeatedly denied
and disproven.
AB: Proof that he is working for the IRI, the Mossad, or even the AO is
much easier. He parrots their lies and supports their objectives. Today
the IRI is threatening to hang 7 Baha'is who are influential in Iran. They
expect an outcry in the west, spearheaded by the Baha'is, so, W, in this
obscure little wasteland of public opinion called TRB is parrotting that
Baha'is prostitute themselves for declarations, sell liquor, and any other
accusation he can make to undermine their credibility. That the IRI told
them to undermine the credibility of the Baha'is is at least pllausible.
AB: His wild statement that Abu Mazen is a Baha'i is a lie that traces
right back to the ISraeli government, and he still parrots it when asked.
AB: Most other disgruntled Baha'is, non-Baha'is and ex Baha'is are tired of
being painted as the odd man, or woman out. Certain individuals w/
glaringly loose grips on reality make it easy for the AO to paint their
critics as cry babies who just can't work in groups. W's insistence on
playing his childish pranks where he can be seen only bolsters this
impression.
MIA1: slanderous claims regarding his family and financial history?
AB: Good grief! These claims are on the internet, just like Kohli's work
history, that W keeps reposting, and still does not show UAVs!
- All Bad
paha...@onetel.net.uk
> On Mar 4, 2:57 am, PaulHammond <pahamm...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>
> > Where does she call herself a Bayani, Nima?
>
> In the place where she is the daughter of Mohammad Hadi Dawlatabadi,
> the putative successor of Subh-i-Azal, and the sister of Yahya
> Dawlatabadi, the putative successor of his father.
>
ANd your parents were Baha'is. Does this mean that you are too?
So
"daughter of Haj Mirza Hadi
Dolatabadi"
Is the only place where a Babi is even tangentially mentioned, and it
DOESN'T say "Sadiqi Dawlatabadi the famous Babi" - rather it focuses
on the achievements of her LIFE rather than her religion - which is as
it should be.
You're the scumbag who thinks this should be like a Bayanis v Bahais
football game, rather than an appreciation of the qualities of every
human being, regardless whether they are Muslim, Christian, Atheist,
Bahai, Buddist or Babi.
This article does NOT support your obsession with the importance of
her faith, if any.
> > This whole article doesn't seem to mention her religious beliefs
> > anywhere.
>
> So what?
>
> W
Well, you're claiming her as a Bayani - I'd have thought that was an
important point for this article to mention, since that seems to be
the major reason why you want to talk about her.
paha...@onetel.net.uk
> On Mar 4, 3:41 am, mash_ghasem <ghyath_ab...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Even if she was a Babi,
>
> Dear olaagh/donkey, one of the first things the mullahs and your
> Muslim Hezbollah counterparts did once they consolidated their power
> was to desecrate her grave, the grave of her father Hadi Dawlatabadi
> and that of her brother Yahya Dawlatabadi specifically for being
> "_Babis_." Sadiqa was a Bayani to her dying breath and she was
> specifically buried as one. If you actually have any real "Babi"
> friends, which you don't, why don't you ask them and they'll tell you.
> She had an especial affection for my great ancestor Tahirih
> Qurrat'ul-'Ayn who she not only considered to be her role-model and
> paragon, but cherished equally in its appropriate Bayani religious
> context. But seeing how unlike you Bahaim the Bayanis have never
> ostentaciously displayed their creed to every naneh qamar and
> proseltyzed to all and sundry, she never wore her spiritual beliefs on
> her sleave as you Bahaim do like the nitwits that you are and actually
> did what you Bahaim only talk endlessly about but do nothing, nada, f-
> all, about.
>
Why don't you follow her lead, then, and stop going on about what a
ball-bursting great "Bayani" master you think you are then?
Like I've often said, you talk a big spiritual talk, but you don't
walk a big spiritual walk. You're too busy being childish about
arbitrary deadlines which you later miscalculated to do anything
useful with your life.
Why aren't you out there helping to further the cause of women in
Iran, like it seems this lady was? Why are you saying "Yah, boo sucks
- I'm a Bayani and we've got better believers than the Baha'is"
And just to show how REALLY spiritual you are, you've turned against
the religion of your parents (which you say this lady never did) and
go around calling them "Baha'ims" which apparently means "animals" in
hebrew.
Shame your parents never manage to get you to develop beyond the
playground, isn't it?
Paul
paha...@onetel.net.uk
> On Mar 4, 2:15 pm, mash_ghasem <ghyath_ab...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 3, 10:46 pm, Ruhaniya <wahidaza...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
>
> > > On Mar 4, 1:00 pm, "All Bad" <AllBad_notrea...@md.metrocast.net>
> > > wrote:
>
> > Why don't you respond rather than cut and paste and repeat the same
> > thing again and again and again. Have some respect for yourself.
> > Seriously Nima, have some respect for yourself.
>
> > .
>
> You and Mr Kohli are skating on very thin legal ice as it is. Now what
> kind of response would you like, Mash?
You're full of bullshit, aren't you Maybeam?
Did you learn law at the same school of bull as m'learned friend Nima
(Summa cum laude, School of unproven allegations)
mash_ghasem
> On Mar 4, 2:15 pm, mash_ghasem <ghyath_ab...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 3, 10:46 pm, Ruhaniya <wahidaza...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
>
> > > On Mar 4, 1:00 pm, "All Bad" <AllBad_notrea...@md.metrocast.net>
> > > wrote:
>
> > Why don't you respond rather than cut and paste and repeat the same
> > thing again and again and again. Have some respect for yourself.
> > Seriously Nima, have some respect for yourself.
>
> > .
>
> You and Mr Kohli are skating on very thin legal ice as it is.
Nima Hazini's legal nightmare is going to start day after 8 innocent
girls get hanged or stoned as he has become mouthpiece of IRI, adding
prostitution charges which IRI forgot to mention in the first
place.. He has made two other colossal mistakes but I will let you
keep guessing, and you are talking about thin ice. He is skating over
boiling water.
.
mash_ghasem
Good info AB. Explains alot. Several questions! A) What is acronym AO
and other acronyms such as NSA and Paul used another one which I don't
remember? B) Who is starr*?
On Mar 3, 10:00 pm, "All Bad" <AllBad_notrea...@md.metrocast.net>
wrote:
> "Ruhaniya" <wahidaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> Jackson State Universityhttp://bahaistudies.net/susanmaneck/
Ruhaniya
wrote:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli
Ruhaniya
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 2003
> ANd your parents were Baha'is.
Emphasis on _were_.
> Does this mean that you are too?
As with everything else you say, your logic is flawed.
> Is the only place where a Babi is even tangentially mentioned, and it
> DOESN'T say "Sadiqi Dawlatabadi the famous Babi" -
So what?
>rather it focuses
> on the achievements of her LIFE rather than her religion - which is as
> it should be.
Well, then, if you want to walk down that road, Juan Cole's assertion
that Shaykh'ur-Ra'is Qajar was a Baha'i or Balyuzi's that Mirza Hasan
Shirazi was a Baha'i is complete and utter bullshit. With Sadiqa
Dawlatabadi, on the other hand, there is prima facie evidence she was
a Bayani plus the people who attended her funeral in 1962 report that
the rite of burial as stipulated in the Bayan was performed on her
behalf and that her tombstone bore a pentacle and verses from the
Primal Point.
> You're the scumbag who thinks this should be like a Bayanis v Bahais
On the contrary, you are the cultist scumbags who have made a point of
claiming anyone and everyone who has ever remotely come into contact
with Bahaism as one of your own. On absolutely the most flimsy
evidence you have claimed Queen Marie of Romania one of your own, when
the woman was a committed Eastern Orthodox Christian to her dying
breath and was even buried as one!
> football game, rather than an appreciation of the qualities of every
> human being, regardless whether they are Muslim, Christian, Atheist,
> Bahai, Buddist or Babi.
Go fuck yourself, LYING cultist!
> This article does NOT support your obsession with the importance of
> her faith, if any.
The facts regarding her life do and the citation of her parentage
being with Hajji Mirza Muhammad Hadi Dowlatabadi categorically prove
it. Your silly misdirection would be laughed by any real historian
worth their salt.
> Well, you're claiming her as a Bayani -
Because she was.
W
Ruhaniya
On Mar 5, 2:15 am, pahamm...@onetel.net.uk wrote:
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 2003
See,
Baha'is In My Backyard
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2877478116441126906&hl=en-AU
-
Also see,
Recent court victory by the Orthodox Baha'is (OBF = Orthodox Baha'i
Faith), and the suit brought by the Haifan Bahaim organization
against
them:
http://trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.html
and
http://www.truebahai.info/court/139-opinion.pdf (judge's actual
decision)
Note particularly,
http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/LF1FFZY0.mp3
-
BAHAIM Tactics & Techniques - CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,
Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,
Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,
Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,
Harass... etc., etc.... CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge of the given issue by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer,
i.e. shoot the messenger
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin
attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed and supporting the
bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais
-
Also see S.G. Wilson,
BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS ASSASSINATION The Muslim World vol. 4, issue 4,
1914
&
BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS DECEPTION The Muslim World, Volume 5, Issue 2,
1914-1915.
at,
http://wahidazal66.googlepages.com/babidocuments%28westernsources%29
And, BAHAISM AND THE BRITISH,
http://bahaisandbritannia.googlepages.com/home
==CAUTION NON-BAHAIS==
Ruhaniya
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 2003
> Did you learn law at the same school of bull as m'learned friend Nima
No, try the same school where the UHG/BUPC lawyers just nailed your
sorry hides to a wall in a 7th Circuit US court of appeals.
W
Ruhaniya
Come on Sasan, make your move. You keep making empty threats without
substance while I keep nailing your CIA-BAHAI ass and that of your
handlers to the wall. The legal problems are all yours and the boiling
water will be the piss I will take into your throat. And let those 8
whores hang for their crimes, if they are found guilty for a crime.
W
mash_ghasem
If they found guilty of crime? Found guilty by whom? If they found
guilty, would you put the rope on their neck and pull the lever?
.
Ruhaniya
First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them" -- Eric Stetson, Sep. 16 2003
> Why don't you follow her lead,
Who says I am not?
>, and stop going on about what a
> ball-bursting great "Bayani" master you think you are then?
Because I AM busting your faggot balls and that of your slimey
handlers, limey ponce!
> Like I've often said,
Care factor nil!
<snip>
> And just to show how REALLY spiritual you are, you've turned against
> the religion of your parents
As spiritual as Abraham and Muhammad were in turning against the
false, idolatrous religion of their fathers and forefathers, indeed,
that spiritual.
<bs snip>
W
All Bad
"mash_ghasem" <ghyath...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3f5ab247-1491-4dab...@17g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
MG: Good info AB. Explains alot. Several questions! A) What is acronym AO
and other acronyms such as NSA and Paul used another one which I don't
remember? B) Who is starr*?
AB: AO is the Administrative Order. These are the organization folks of
the Baha'i religion.
AB: NSA is a National Spiritual Assembly, the part of the AO that is
headquarters for a national Baha'i community.
AB: I need an acronym to translate. I can't read Paul's mind at this
distance.
AB: Starr* taught Azal to use lots of handles, the sock puppet thing. I
think she was a Baha'i and quit a few years ago. When Nima was god, she was
co-god; I think she may have used the term Lordess, vice lardass. She wrote
a book and put Tahireh in the title. Nima was for her until he was Azal,
and was against her.
- All Bad
Ruhaniya
On Mar 5, 12:23 pm, "All Bad" <AllBad_notrea...@md.metrocast.net>
wrote:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli
Ruhaniya
paha...@onetel.net.uk
> On Mar 5, 2:09 am, pahamm...@onetel.net.uk wrote:
>
> "First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
> interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
> that he is probably working for them."
>
> -- Eric Stetson, September 2003
>
> > ANd your parents were Baha'is.
>
> Emphasis on _were_.
>
> > Does this mean that you are too?
>
> As with everything else you say, your logic is flawed.
>
Sorry, but didn't you just say that the proof that this lady is a
Bayani, even though that's a fact that isn't mentioned in the piece
you posted, is that it DOES mention who her father is, and HE'S a
Bayani (even though THAT TOO is a fact that isn't mentioned in this
piece you posted).
So, YOU say X st X's father is a Y implies X is a Y.
Substituting X= Nima, Y=Baha'i, that proves that Nima is a Baha'i. QED
But I know that Nima is NOT a Baha'i. So that implication cannot be
valid.
So X= Sadiqa Dawlatabadi, Y=Bayani
Sadiqa's father was a Bayani, so she is a Bayani QED?
Oh NO - it's YOUR logic which is flawed.
Which was the argument I was trying to prove.
So my proof is done.
Don't try to chop logic with a trained mathematician, Nima - you'll
always lose.
Paul
>
> > You're the scumbag who thinks this should be like a Bayanis v Bahais
>
> On the contrary, you are the cultist scumbags who
I'll stop you there, to point out that I'm actually an atheist. So
there's no "cultist scumbags" on this side of the screen. I thank
you.
> > football game, rather than an appreciation of the qualities of every
> > human being, regardless whether they are Muslim, Christian, Atheist,
> > Bahai, Buddist or Babi.
>
> Go fuck yourself, LYING cultist!
>
temper! Temper!
> > This article does NOT support your obsession with the importance of
> > her faith, if any.
>
> The facts regarding her life do
Show me the fact that she's a Bayani, as you claimed in your subject
line, then. This article doesn't acheive that aim.
> and the citation of her parentage
> being with Hajji Mirza Muhammad Hadi Dowlatabadi categorically prove
> it.
No, the fact that this is NOT a logical entailment was proven above.
Where you agreed with me that the logic of the argument "X's father is
Y implies X is a Y" is fatally flawed.
Paul
Your silly misdirection would be laughed by any real historian
> worth their salt.
>
> > Well, you're claiming her as a Bayani -
>
> Because she was.
>
What, because you SAY so?
Ruhaniya
On Mar 6, 11:47 am, pahamm...@onetel.net.uk wrote:
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 2003
<big PALU-IAN BULLSHIT snip>
> What, because you SAY so?-
THAT, and also because it is well known fact as well as published in
numerous Persian language sources. Get lost!!
W
Ruhaniya
PaulHammond
Ruhaniya wrote:
> CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
>
> On Mar 6, 11:47 am, pahamm...@onetel.net.uk wrote:
>
> "First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
> interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
> that he is probably working for them."
>
> -- Eric Stetson, September 2003
>
>
> <big PALU-IAN BULLSHIT snip because I can't argue against the logic>
>
> > What, because you SAY so?-
>
> THAT, and also because it is well known fact as well as published in
> numerous Persian language sources. Get lost!!
>
> W
Well, all I know is that you say so. The article you posted doesn't.
And you just assert that other sources exist which you can't post.
Which is hardly any better than "because I say so".
Isn't "We're the Bayanis, and we've got bigger and better famous
people than you on our religion" pretty low down on the spiritual
development stakes, though?
Since when was asserting how much bigger and better my race and creed
of humans is than yours been a big number in the repetoire of the
spiritually advanced?
Paul
Aor
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 2003
> Well, all I know is that you say so. The article you posted doesn't.
So what?
<bs snip>
W
Aor
paha...@onetel.net.uk
So what reason do I have for believing that this woman you claim is a
Bayani actually is one?
Because you say so doesn't cut it with me.
Because you say other sources exist, but they're written in arabic
characters so I can't read them is just "because I say so" by other
means.
If it's SO important to you to prove to me that this article is not
just about a great woman, but about a great BAYANI woman (who actually
called herself Bayani rather than Babi) - you'd need to provide a
source that actually mentions what her religion was.
personally, I'd be happy to celebrate her as a woman who achieved
something whether she was Jewish, Catholic, Buddhist or Hindu or
Muslim or Baha'i - but I understand that you've got prejudices to
maintain and strengthen.
Paul
paha...@onetel.net.uk
On Mar 6, 3:14 am, Aor <hurak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Text: N. Kawyani- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Aor
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 2003
> So what reason do I have for believing that this woman you claim is a
> Bayani actually is one?
Whatever reason "you" have or don't have is largely irrelevant. The
fact that she was a Bayani is neither dependent on what you think
about it or does it change or alter the fact remotely that she was
one.
> Because you say so doesn't cut it with me.
Nothing is being "cut" for you, hack. It is not put here for your
benefit.
W
Aor
All Bad
"Aor" <hura...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:802e9ea1-4ffa-4293...@v15g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 7, 1:53 am, pahamm...@onetel.net.uk wrote:
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 2003
> So what reason do I have for believing that this woman you claim is a
> Bayani actually is one?
WA: Whatever reason "you" have or don't have is largely irrelevant. The
fact that she was a Bayani is neither dependent on what you think
about it or does it change or alter the fact remotely that she was
one.
AB: Yes, that is the question, the thing you call the fact. Is there a
declaration card? Did she stand up at a Mashriqu'l Adhkár and recite
shahada? Or, does she simply inherit her religion, as you did, or did not?
Your answer seeems to be, WELL, SHE IS, SO SHUT UP ALREADY! Am I
understanding you correctly?
> Because you say so doesn't cut it with me.
WA: Nothing is being "cut" for you, hack. It is not put here for your
benefit.
AB: It is interesting, your fact free approach is applied both to your
critics as well as those you want to be your co-religionists. You're like a
wellspring of unsubstantiatable conclusions, a fountain of intuition.
Intuition just does not seem to transfer so well as facts.
- All Bad
PaulHammond
Aor wrote:
> On Mar 7, 1:53 am, pahamm...@onetel.net.uk wrote:
>
> "First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
> interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
> that he is probably working for them."
>
> -- Eric Stetson, September 2003
>
> > So what reason do I have for believing that this woman you claim is a
> > Bayani actually is one?
>
> Whatever reason "you" have or don't have is largely irrelevant. The
> fact that she was a Bayani is neither dependent on what you think
> about it or does it change or alter the fact remotely that she was
> one.
>
Neither is it proved, or even mentioned by the article you reposted.
Until you come up with something different, I will regard her as an
Iranian proto-feminist, religion undetermined (and to my mind,
irrelevant to any consideration of her merits as a person)
Paul
PaulHammond
position?
All Bad
"PaulHammond" <paha...@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
news:5e14b370-1e2c-44c1...@j39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
Where does this article mention this woman's faith or spiritual
position?
AB: Well, it is in big bold letters, not green, but white font, which just
does not show on this background. If you take it to Gold Coast, I think the
light there will bring it out. Have a bit of the herbal tea to bring it in
to focus.
- All Bad
Aor
> Where does this article mention this woman's faith or spiritual
> position?
Where it indicates her parentage with Hadi Dowlatabadi.
W
Aor
paha...@onetel.net.uk
But, if your parents being Baha'i doesn't prove that you are Baha'i,
how can her parents being Babis make her Babi?
And, btw, this artcle doesn't mention Hadi Dowlatabadi's religion,
either?
paha...@onetel.net.uk
Baha'i or Atheist.
Why do you say that she's a Bayani?
On 8 Mar, 00:28, Aor <hurak...@gmail.com> wrote:
Aor
> On 8 Mar, 00:28, Aor <hurak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 8, 2:17 am, PaulHammond <pahamm...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>
> > > Where does this article mention this woman's faith or spiritual
> > > position?
>
> > Where it indicates her parentage with Hadi Dowlatabadi.
>
> > W
>
> But, if your parents being Baha'i doesn't prove that you are Baha'i,
> how can her parents being Babis make her Babi?
Because the entire Dowlatabadi family were Bayanis, and stayed that
way forever -- and also we're talking about normative Iranian clan
loyalties of the 19th-20th centuries which did not change. I
understand that this issue is quite embarrassing to the fictitious and
sanitized narratives peddled your cult, but the fact remains that
Sadiqa Dawlatabadi was a Bayani her whole life and was buried as one.
> And, btw, this artcle doesn't mention Hadi Dowlatabadi's religion,
> either?
So? It is well cited fact that Hadi Dawlatabadi was a Bayani, not to
mention the putative successor of Azal. Try E.G. Browne.
W
Aor
PaulHammond
Aor wrote:
> On Mar 8, 10:42 am, pahamm...@onetel.net.uk wrote:
> > On 8 Mar, 00:28, Aor <hurak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mar 8, 2:17 am, PaulHammond <pahamm...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > > Where does this article mention this woman's faith or spiritual
> > > > position?
> >
> > > Where it indicates her parentage with Hadi Dowlatabadi.
> >
> > > W
> >
> > But, if your parents being Baha'i doesn't prove that you are Baha'i,
> > how can her parents being Babis make her Babi?
>
> Because the entire Dowlatabadi family were Bayanis, and stayed that
> way forever -- and also we're talking about normative Iranian clan
> loyalties of the 19th-20th centuries which did not change.
So, you were going against your entire tradition and culture when you
decided to repudiate your parents' religion?
Is that something you're proud of?
>
> > And, btw, this artcle doesn't mention Hadi Dowlatabadi's religion,
> > either?
>
> So? It is well cited fact that Hadi Dawlatabadi was a Bayani,
That's not a fact that YOU or THIS ARTICLE cite, however.
Paul
PaulHammond
just about a great woman, but about a great BAYANI woman (who actually
called herself Bayani rather than Babi) - you'd need to provide a
source that actually mentions what her religion was.
personally, I'd be happy to celebrate her as a woman who achieved
something whether she was Jewish, Catholic, Buddhist or Hindu or
Muslim or Baha'i - but I understand that you've got prejudices to
maintain and strengthen.
Paul
Fuck the British!
On Mar 9, 7:10 am, PaulHammond <pahamm...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 2003
See also,
BAHAISM AND THE BRITISH,
http://bahaisandbritannia.googlepages.com/home
Also see, especially,
HOSTAGE TO KHOMEINI by Robert Dreyfuss (New Benjamin Franklin House:
New York, 1980) pp.117-118 (Pdf pages 73-74)
http://www.wlym.com/pdf/iclc/hostage.pdf
&
http://www.archive.org/details/HostageToKhomeini
...Today the Bahai cult is hated in Iran, and is considered correctly
to be an arm of the British Crown. During the destabilization of the
Shah in 1978, it was widely reported that in several instances the
Bahai cult secretly funded the Khomeini Shi’ite movement. In part, the
money would have flowed through the cult’s links to the same
international ‘human rights’ organizations, such as Amnesty
International, that originally sponsored the anti-Shah movement in
Iran. These movements also derive from the “one world” currents
associated with the Bahais since the early 1900s. (If any Iranians
have been misled on the question of the Bahais by the supposed
antipathy of Khomeini’s clique to the Bahais, it should be noted that
the Bahai cultists often deliberately encouraged anti-Bahai activities
as camouflage)...
Also see pp. 115-116 (Pdf page 72)
Aor
All Bad
Aor wrote:
PH: That's not a fact that YOU or THIS ARTICLE cite, however.
AB: It is the meaning of words that is just tripping you up. I had the
same problem when May used "obviously" and "resident". I'd thought
"obvious" was pretty clear, and maybe it was and maybe it wasn't. I thought
resident was someone who lives there and maybe it does and maybe it doesn't
but in the coversation, it became obvious to me that they can't both mean
what they mean when May uses them. Then they have other meanings which
obviously are clear to May, but not to me.
AB: The words mean precisely what Azal intends them to mean, or what May
intends them to mean. We are tripped up by the static meanings. We are
stuck in our Maginot line "education" thing a ma jig.
- All Bad
PaulHammond
just about a great woman, but about a great BAYANI woman (who
actually
called herself Bayani rather than Babi) - you'd need to provide a
source that actually mentions what her religion was.
personally, I'd be happy to celebrate her as a woman who achieved
something whether she was Jewish, Catholic, Buddhist or Hindu or
Muslim or Baha'i - but I understand that you've got prejudices to
maintain and strengthen.
Paul
Ruhaniya
Ruhaniya
PaulHammond
headers?
Ruhaniya wrote:
< snipped article that doesn't mentioned someone's religion amongst
her achievements>
Ruhaniya
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 2003
See thread,
"Who is Paul Hammond and what is his interest in Bahaism: Keel
University, British Imperial policy and the Bahaim nexus"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/74cae56bed1aacb4/c97625a8f27de5c1?lnk=raot#c97625a8f27de5c1
See also,
BAHAISM AND THE BRITISH,
http://bahaisandbritannia.googlepages.com/home
Also see, especially,
HOSTAGE TO KHOMEINI by Robert Dreyfuss (New Benjamin Franklin House:
New York, 1980) pp.117-118 (Pdf pages 73-74)
http://www.wlym.com/pdf/iclc/hostage.pdf
&
http://www.archive.org/details/HostageToKhomeini
...Today the Bahai cult is hated in Iran, and is considered correctly
to be an arm of the British Crown. During the destabilization of the
Shah in 1978, it was widely reported that in several instances the
Bahai cult secretly funded the Khomeini Shi’ite movement. In part, the
money would have flowed through the cult’s links to the same
international ‘human rights’ organizations, such as Amnesty
International, that originally sponsored the anti-Shah movement in
Iran. These movements also derive from the “one world” currents
associated with the Bahais since the early 1900s. (If any Iranians
have been misled on the question of the Bahais by the supposed
antipathy of Khomeini’s clique to the Bahais, it should be noted that
the Bahai cultists often deliberately encouraged anti-Bahai activities
as camouflage)...
Also see pp. 115-116 (Pdf page 72)
CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
Ruhaniya
See thread
*Who is Paul Hammond and what is his interest in Bahaism: Keel
University, British Imperial policy and the Bahaim nexus*
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/74cae56bed1aacb4/c97625a8f27de5c1?lnk=raot#c97625a8f27de5c1
On Mar 9, 7:10 am, PaulHammond <pahamm...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 2003
Ruhaniya
All Bad
If it's SO important to you to prove to me that this article is not
just about a great woman, but about a great BAYANI woman (who
actually
called herself Bayani rather than Babi) - you'd need to provide a
source that actually mentions what her religion was.
personally, I'd be happy to celebrate her as a woman who achieved
something whether she was Jewish, Catholic, Buddhist or Hindu or
Muslim or Baha'i - but I understand that you've got prejudices to
maintain and strengthen.
AB: I see the emporor just insists on saying it is so.
Death to Haifan Bahaism
wrote:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_kohli
Pat Kohli, or Patrick Kohli, is a member of the Haifan Baha'i Faith
[1]
who makes regular contributions to the USENET newsgroup
talk.religion.bahai[2]. He is a computer programmer who has worked on
software for various projects, including military systems.
Contents [hide]
1 Background
2 Articles and Resources
2.1 Related SourceWatch Articles
2.2 References
2.3 External Articles
[edit]Background
He "is a computer scientist assigned to 4.5.3.3. He works for PMA-231
as the Open Architecture (OA) IPT lead, in the OA/FORCEnet IPT of the
Network Centric Warfare IPT. Prior to this he worked at Saint Inigoes
for 4.5 and developed a prototype next generation flight data
recorder, using COTS components, to meet incident reporting,
maintenance and FOQA needs. Pat also supported the old PMA-282 which
did weapon control systems for guided missiles. Pat has an MS in
computer Information Systems from Florida Tech." [3]
"Pat Kohli, NCW Open Architecture Lead, demonstrated how the E-2/C-2
program office (PMA-231) is continuously evaluating and implementing
software modernization to facilitate transition of the existing E-2
operational flight program to an environment using commercially
available systems. Venlet said, "The Naval Aviation Enterprise has
embraced open architecture as a fundamental building block of weapon
system development from its very inception. Our government/industry
teams continue to leverage these open system strategies and concepts
in achieving reduction in overall development cycle times and
delivering increased system capabilities to the Fleet faster and
cheaper. The advantages of integrating open architecture designs and
contracting strategies are measurable and pronounced as is
substantiated by our E-2D Advanced Hawkeye and P-8 Multi-Mission
Aircraft development programs. The key to continued success will be
maintaining the close partnership with industry experts, as we
provide
the right capabilities, at the right time and right cost to the joint
warfighter."The E-2 Hawkeye team has been representing and directly
supporting Venlet's executive office - the aviation domain lead for
open architecture initiatives - since June 2004, because of its role
as a battle management command and control platform and a central
network communications node in aviation. E-2 Program Manager Capt.
Randy Mahrsaid, "Today's evolving E-2 open architecture model paves
the way for a more mature system to be used by the E-2D prior to it
taking its place in the fleet."[3]
Pat Kohli has maintained a consistent web presence since the late
1990s, particularly on USENET, addressing both external critics and
dissenters within the Haifan Baha'i Faith tradition to which he
belongs [5]. In 1998, he voted against the creation of the USENET
group, talk.religion.bahai, as an un-moderated discussion forum for
issues relating to the Baha'i faith [4]. Official discussion
regarding
the creation of this group may also be found at: [6]. He posts under
the handles Mr All Bad and All_Bad [5]
[edit]Articles and Resources
[edit]Related SourceWatch Articles
[edit]References
↑ Letter from Assistant Secretary, Kishan Manocha, on Behalf of
National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is of the United Kingdom [1],
dated October 8, 2002, Accessed 17 February, 2009.
↑ Discussion Archive of USENET group Talk.Religion.Baha'i, [2],
Accessed February 17, 2009
↑ 3.0 3.1 Drema Ballengee-Grunst, "Assistant SecNav visits NAVAIR T&E
laboratory", November 10, 2005.
↑ Record of votes cast regarding the creation of the USENET group,
talk.religion.bahai,[3], Accessed February 17, 2009.
↑ Excerpt from USENET group talk.religion.bahai,[4], Accessed
February
17, 2009.
[edit]External Articles
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Death to Haifan Bahaism
paha...@onetel.net.uk
Do you have a source that DOES tell us anything about what her
religion was, if you think that's such an important aspect of what she
did?
On 9 Mar, 06:16, Death to Haifan Bahaism <deathtobaha...@gmail.com>
wrote:
mash_ghasem
> But this article doesn't actually mention the woman's religion.
>
> Do you have a source that DOES tell us anything about what her
> religion was, if you think that's such an important aspect of what she
> did?
>
Paul, He is not going to be able to prove this great lady's religious
background if she was a Babi. Babis like to hide their religious
affiliation and pretend to be muslims for the fear of retribution. May
be due to their violent history. No denying though she was a brave
iranian lady.
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Ruhaniya
> On Mar 10, 2:33 pm, pahamm...@onetel.net.uk wrote:
>
> > But this article doesn't actually mention the woman's religion.
>
> > Do you have a source that DOES tell us anything about what her
> > religion was, if you think that's such an important aspect of what she
> > did?
>
> Paul, He is not going to be able to prove this great lady's religious
> background if she was a Babi.
Her religious affiliation is already a proven, axiomatic fact, by
virtue of the facts cited.
W
Ruhaniya
PaulHammond
Aor wrote:
That is not a mention of her religion. It's a naming of her father.
Nima, does YOUR parentage indicate YOUR religious beliefs?
Paul
PaulHammond
Ruhaniya wrote:
Where have you cited these facts?
paha...@onetel.net.uk
Oh, and by the way - an axiom is not something that you prove. So
make your mind up - is Sadiqa Dawlatabadi's religion something that
you want to prove, or something you're trying to take as an axiom?
Just showing us some evidence of what her religious beliefs were might
be a good first step to supporting your claim that she was a Bayani in
your subject header.
But then, claiming things that aren't true is your specialty, isn't it?
paha...@onetel.net.uk
then, do you base the claim you make in the Subject header that she
believe the same things you do.
Ruhaniya
> At no point does this article mention the lady's religion.
It doesn't have to when her father is mentioned as being Hadi
Dowlatabadi and her brother, Yahya Dowalatabadi. QED!
W
Ruhaniya
Aor
William McElwee Miller in The Baha'i Faith: It's History and
Teachings, 1973, p. 289.
"...There is no conscience with them [ i.e. the Baha'is], they keep
to no principle, they tell you what is untrue, ignoring or denying
undoubted historical facts, and this is the character of both the
leader and the led...As to morality and honesty, the whole system has
proved disappointing...I have been in contact with many Baha'is, and
have had dealings with many and have tested many, and unfortunately I
have met not a single one who could be called honest or faithful in
the full sense of these words..."
Dr Sa'eed Khan [was] a highly-respected physician...who had as a
doctor treated the second widow of the Bab, and had for a lifetime
known intimately both Babis [i.e. Bayanis] and Baha'is in Tehran and
Hamadan.
Aor
mash_ghasem
Her father was haji mirza hadi Dowlatabadi so she was a muslim.
still what is it got to do with prick like you?
.
Ruhaniya
Dickead, Hajji Mirza HADI DOWLATABADI was the putative successor of
Subh-i-Azal, so she was a Bayani!
W
Ruhaniya
"Now this Holy Person [i.e. Subhi-i-Azal] before his death had
nominated [as his executor or successor] the son of ____Aqá Mírzá
Muhammad Hádí of Dawlatábád___*, who was one of the leading believers
and relatively better than the others, in accordance with the command
of His Holiness the Point [i.e. the Báb], glorious in his mention, who
commanded saying, 'And if God causeth mourning to appear in thy days,
then make manifest the Eight Paths,' etc., until he says, `But if not,
then the authority shall return to the Witnesses of the Bayán3.'
Therefore he appointed him, though hitherto no one has found his
testament amongst the writings of that Blessed Being."
p. 312
* Note Hadi Dawlatabadi is stated to in five sources to have been
originally nominated to succeed Subh-i-Azal. But Hadi Dawlatabadi died
in 1908/09, two-three years prior to the ascension of Subh-i-Azal
himself. This is why it is asserted that the succession devolved upon
his son Yahya. However no will and testament was left by Subh-i-Azal,
and despite another statement by E.G. Browne that Subh-i-Azal had
nominated his grandson, Mirza Ahmad Ruh'ullah, to succeed him,
http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/A-E/B/browne/cat/COM64.gif
the position of the Bayani community today is that Subh-i-Azal left no
successor. Nor did Yahya Dawlatabadi see or present himself as Subh-i-
Azal's successor or mention it it in his own will and testament, as
neither did his grandson Mirza Ahmad Ruh'ullah.
Regarding the Bahai denials of the Bayani affiliation and belief of
Sadiqa Dawlatabadi, neautral observer please note:
Ruhaniya
All Bad
<paha...@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
news:808a9548-7d14-4417...@v15g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On 11 Mar, 01:46, Ruhaniya <wahidaza...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 11, 7:27 am, mash_ghasem <ghyath_ab...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 10, 2:33 pm, pahamm...@onetel.net.uk wrote:
>
> > > But this article doesn't actually mention the woman's religion.
>
> > > Do you have a source that DOES tell us anything about what her
> > > religion was, if you think that's such an important aspect of what she
> > > did?
>
> > Paul, He is not going to be able to prove this great lady's religious
> > background if she was a Babi.
>
> Her religious affiliation is already a proven, axiomatic fact, by
> virtue of the facts cited.
>
> W
PH: Oh, and by the way - an axiom is not something that you prove. So
make your mind up - is Sadiqa Dawlatabadi's religion something that
you want to prove, or something you're trying to take as an axiom?
AB: I think he has gone the factual axiom route. The fact is you can see he
asserts and does not prove it.
- All Bad
PaulHammond
Ruhaniya wrote:
Oh right. So if we know your father's relgion, we know yours, right?
QED.
Your father is a Baha'i, isn't he?
PaulHammond
SURE she's a Babi?
paha...@onetel.net.uk
> <pahamm...@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
I notice that Nima has avoided commenting on the difference between a
proof and an axiom, in favour of spamming us with a selection of
MacElwee Miller, the Christian Missionary, whose way with the evidence
is only slightly less arbitrary than Nima "If I assert it three times
it must be true" Hazini, and a repost of the original article
regarding an Iranian feminist of undetermined religious beliefs.
Probably understanding the difference between a "proof" and an "axiom"
is beyond a man who tends to use those words as slogans meaing "I
really really believe it so you MUST believe me".
Paul
Ruhaniya
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 2003
> Oh right. So if we know your father's relgion, we know yours, right?
Amongst 19th, early 20th century Iranians, that is the case --
absolutely! Ask any cultural anthropologist who has ever worked on
Iran, for example, Michel Fischer who even wrote about the Bahaim.
> QED.
>
> Your father is a Baha'i, isn't he?
No, he no longer is. Is yours? With your kind of propagandistic
defense of Bahaism you would think you are a Bahai of several
generations. On another note, what was that you were saying again
about unintended consequences?
W
Ruhaniya
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 2003
> But, Nima, this article doesn't mention the woman's religion. Are you
> SURE she's a Babi?
Absolutely I am certain beyond any reasonable doubt and to a moral
certainty.
W
Ruhaniya
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 2003
> in favour of spamming us with a selection of
> MacElwee Miller, the Christian Missionary, whose way with the evidence
> is only slightly less arbitrary than Nima
Funny, that is the verbatim apologetic, cultist assertion and position
of a glaze-eyed fundamentalist cultist such as Douglas Martin, and not
the position of anyone else who has reviewed or read Miller's book.
<bs snip>
And the quote here fits you to a glove,
Ruhaniya
On Mar 12, 8:31 pm, "All Bad" <AllBad_notrea...@md.metrocast.net>
Ruhaniya
PaulHammond
Ruhaniya wrote:
> On Mar 13, 2:31 am, PaulHammond <pahamm...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>
> "First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
> interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
> that he is probably working for them."
>
> -- Eric Stetson, September 2003
>
> > Oh right. So if we know your father's relgion, we know yours, right?
>
> Amongst 19th, early 20th century Iranians, that is the case --
> absolutely! Ask any cultural anthropologist who has ever worked on
> Iran, for example, Michel Fischer who even wrote about the Bahaim.
>
Just show us the sources you have saying "this woman is a Bayani, and
this is when she said so" and you won't need to try to defend this
source which DOESN'T say so by using such tenunous sophistry.
> > QED.
> >
> > Your father is a Baha'i, isn't he?
>
> No, he no longer is.
Well, neither is hers!
> Is yours? With your kind of propagandistic
> defense of Bahaism you would think you are a Bahai of several
> generations.
You think faith gets stronger the more generations of your ancestors
were signed up to it?
That sounds even less likely to me than the argument "daddy was a
Buddhist, so daughter must be"
I'm not even a Baha'i of a single generation, Nima - not even an ex-
Baha'i. But you are!
> On another note, what was that you were saying again
> about unintended consequences?
>
That when you make a lot of noise about something, people will pay
attention - so if you keep posting the link to the Pat Kholi hatchet
job you put up on Sourcewatch, it will encourage me to check it out
every now and then to see how people are reacting to your paranoia
over there.
You DIDN'T like me reposting here what Diane Farsetta said to you, did
you?
Paul
paha...@onetel.net.uk
for your claim that she's Bayani? It's not something this article
thinks is important enough to mention - so why are you making such a
song and dance about something you can't prove?
Ruhaniya
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 2003
> Well, neither is hers!
Bullshit! Mirza Muhammad Hadi Dawlatabadi died the putative successor
of Subh-i-Azal in 1908/09. This is not only well-known amongst
specialists, it is also the nature of the charge leveled by the
mullahs at the Dawlatabadi family - specifically Yahya and Sadiqa -
both before and subsequent to the revolution, and it is specifically
one of the reasons they desecrated their graves after the revolution.
The only reason you and the IT committee wish to deny this woman's
well-known religious affiliation and that of her family is because it
detracts attention from your cult and proves the fact that you people
did fuck-all for the suffragette movement in Iran.
<bahai IT committee BS snip>
W