IRI on Bahai Question
Ali 209198
The 1991 Iranian Government document on "the Bahá'í question"
In the Name of God!
The Islamic Republic of Iran
The Supreme Revolutionary Cultural Council
Number: 1327/....
Date: 6/12/69 [25 February 1991]
Enclosure: None
CONFIDENTIAL
Dr. Seyyed Mohammad Golpaygani
Head of the Office of the Esteemed Leader [Khamenei]
Greetings!
After greetings, with reference to the letter #1/783 dated 10/10/69 [31
December 1990], concerning the instructions of the Esteemed Leader which had
been conveyed to the Respected President regarding the Bahá'í question, we
inform you that, since the respected President and the Head of the Supreme
Revolutionary Cultural Council had referred this question to this Council for
consideration and study, it was placed on the Council's agenda of session #128
on 16/11/69 [5 February 1991] and session #119 of 2/11/69 [22 January 1991]. In
addition to the above, and further to the [results of the] discussions held in
this regard in session #112 of 2/5/66 [24 July 1987] presided over by the
Esteemed Leader (head and member of the Supreme Council), the recent views and
directives given by the Esteemed Leader regarding the Bahá'í question were
conveyed to the Supreme Council. In consideration of the contents of the
Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran, as well as the religious and
civil laws and general policies of the country, these matters were carefully
studied and decisions pronounced.
In arriving at the decisions and proposing reasonable ways to counter the above
question, due consideration was given to the wishes of the Esteemed Leadership
of the Islamic Republic of Iran [Khamenei], namely, that "in this regard a
specific policy should be devised in such a way that everyone will understand
what should or should not be done". Consequently, the following proposals and
recommendations resulted from these discussions.
The respected President of the Islamic Republic of Iran, as well as the Head of
the Supreme Revolutionary Cultural Council, while approving these
recommendations, instructed us to convey them to the Esteemed Leader [Khamenei]
so that appropriate action may be taken according to his guidance.
SUMMARY OF THE RESULTS OF THE DISCUSSIONS AND RECOMMENDATION
General status of the Bahá'ís within the country's system
They will not be expelled from the country without reason.
They will not be arrested, imprisoned, or penalized without reason.
The Government's dealings with them must be in such a way that their progress
and development are blocked.
Educational and cultural status
They can be enrolled in schools provided they have not identified themselves as
Bahá'ís.
Preferably, they should be enrolled in schools which have a strong and imposing
religious ideology.
They must be expelled from universities, either in the admission process or
during the course of their studies, once it becomes known that they are
Bahá'ís.
Their political (espionage) activities must be dealt with according to
appropriate Government laws and policies, and their religious and propaganda
activities should be answered by giving them religious and cultural responses,
as well as propaganda.
Propaganda institutions (such as the Islamic Propaganda Organization) must
establish an independent section to counter the propaganda and religious
activities of the Bahá'ís.
A plan must be devised to confront and destroy their cultural roots outside the
country.
Legal and social status
Permit them a modest livelihood as is available to the general population.
To the extent that it does not encourage them to be Bahá'ís, it is permissible
to provide them the means for ordinary living in accordance with the general
rights given to every Iranian citizen, such as ration booklets, passports,
burial certificates, work permits, etc.
Deny them employment if they identify themselves as Bahá'ís.
Deny them any position of influence, such as in the educational sector, etc.
Wishing you divine confirmations, Secretary of the Supreme Revolutionary
Cultural Council
Dr. Seyyed Mohammad Golpaygani [Signature]
[Note in the handwriting of Mr. Khamenei]
In the Name of God!
The decision of the Supreme Revolutionary Cultural Council seems sufficient. I
thank you gentlemen for your attention and efforts. [signed:] Ali Khamenei
"Melt into and love Imam Khomeini in the same manner he melted into and loved
Islam." (Martyred Ayatullah al-Uzma Sayyid Muhammad Baqir as-Sadr)
Hallaj
>inshallah the cancer of bahism will be erased from iran
>
But still it doesn't help Iranian people as long as the completley
sick ground mother of this canser, Islam is not death. So, let's hope
that the omm'ol fesAd, Islam, be erased, from Iran and from the earth!
Hallaj
Ali 209198
>But still it doesn't help Iranian people as long as the completley
>sick ground mother of this canser, Islam is not death. So, let's hope
>that the omm'ol fesAd, Islam, be erased, from Iran and from the earth!
>
>Hallaj
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
HojjatOleslam ValMofsedin Seyyed KirAli
Ali 209198 wrote:
>
> inshallah the cancer of bahism will be erased from iran
>
rlit...@my-dejanews.com
who live in Iran and are Baha'is. If that is incorrect, please tell me.
The government of Iran has also signed United Nations documents which allow
its citizens religious freedom. Do you see any conflict between these
documents and the document you have reproduced below?
What about the millions of Baha'is who live in all the other countries of the
world? Do you wish them "erased" also?
What about Jews? Would you like to erase Jews in Isreal? How about Christians?
Hindus in India?
I think that if you were to open the Koran and read it from beginning to end,
you would come to believe that the purpose and intent of this mighty
revelation from God is to bring YOU closer to God, not to send hundreds of
thousands of other people on to God.
Robert A. Little
In article <19981209235739...@ng98.aol.com>,
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
Hallaj
>it would even more if we got rid of ignorant little sh*ts like you.
Shit is you, Your fucking marja'a-e taqlid and your bace-bAz prophet!
People like me are the majority of Iranian Society and they will bury
you bastards one day soon!
Hallaj (Feels people who follow an old mulla are worse than gusfands)
>
>>But still it doesn't help Iranian people as long as the completley
>>sick ground mother of this canser, Islam is not death. So, let's hope
>>that the omm'ol fesAd, Islam, be erased, from Iran and from the earth!
>>
>>Hallaj
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Ali 209198
in the first place. hello....98% of the people voted for an Islamic Republic.
where is the majority you claim? there is nothing that bahahi fanatics like
you can do to pollute the government of Allah (SWT). the following statement
of Ayatullah Khaklhali sums up the future of iran:
"The mullahs are going to rule now. We are going to have ten thousand years of
the Islamic republic. The Marxists are going to go on with their Lenin. We are
going to go on in the way of Khomeini." - Ayatullah Khalkhali
>Shit is you, Your fucking marja'a-e taqlid and >your bace-bAz prophet!
>
>People like me are the majority of Iranian >Society and they will bury
>you bastards one day soon!
>
>Hallaj (Feels people who follow an old mulla >are worse than gusfands)
Sam7
Ali 209198 wrote:
> yeah right. if iran was full of jahils like you, there would have been no IR
> in the first place. hello....98% of the people voted for an Islamic Republic.
> where is the majority you claim? there is nothing that bahahi fanatics like
> you can do to pollute the government of Allah (SWT). the following statement
> of Ayatullah Khaklhali sums up the future of iran:
>
> "The mullahs are going to rule now. We are going to have ten thousand years of
> the Islamic republic. The Marxists are going to go on with their Lenin. We are
> going to go on in the way of Khomeini." - Ayatullah Khalkhali
Is this the same Khalkhali who withdrew his name in kharbegan election to protest
its injustice. How ironic!
Hallaj
>yeah right. if iran was full of jahils like you, there would have been no IR
>in the first place. hello....98% of the people voted for an Islamic Republic.
>where is the majority you claim? there is nothing that bahahi fanatics like
>you can do to pollute the government of Allah (SWT). the following statement
>of Ayatullah Khaklhali sums up the future of iran:
(The craps of xar- xAli, The No.1 murder of Iranian nation is deleted)
Babu, When you were in Pakistan or you were not at life at all. I was
in demonstrations in Tehran. I was in 17 Sahrivar in meidun SohadA.
Every day in 1978_9 I was demonstrating in the city. Several of my
childhood friends fall by SAh's soldiers. I was in dAneSgAh-e Tehran
in Bahman 21. I got A also attacked Farah AbAd Bastion in Tehran East.
I also voted "Ari". Yes. I was among your 98 procent. I spent several
years of my young life defending my country against Iraq. And I am
proud of all that I have done. In revolution time I was an ordibnary
Muslim guy. I was more bA taqvA (by your definition) than Your grand
AyattollAh xAnmenei. But I have, unfortunatley also commited a
mnistake which I earnestley ask the Iranian Nation for appology. Yes,
I have taken namAz back that dayus who calls himslef veli-e faqih and
is your deream leader. During the revolution the university students
declared one day as solidarity with Palestine and asked every body to
take "ruze-ye siAsi" I along with three of my friends was in
dAneSgAh-e tehrAn and wanted to take the solidarity namAz with this
mullah as our emAm. The guy came and sat down, took his Winston
ciggarett out of his abA and started to smoke in front of us all.
Every body started to whisper and after a while one went to him and
told him that every body had ruze-ye siAsi. He looked down and very
dissatisfied stopped smoking. He then talked and started namAz without
mentioning his ruze xori. Yes Mr. Pakistani, I have seen both inside
and outside this popular mullahs of yours. This regime along with
killing my hamvatans also killed my belief in religion and God. Today,
Ii generally have no problem with religion and with honest religious
people as my nearest family members are Muslims. Many of my friends
are Muslims but none of them are like you a man who serves the worst
people on this earth, Nazists. Shame on you.
I am not a Bah'i. They both belive in Islam and in God. I do not
believe in any of them. I believe in decent human being. I belive in
the poor lady in my neighbourhood who uses several hours of her day to
help elderly disabled. I believe in hard working people of Tehran. I
believe in poor children of xorAsAn who do not get enough food thanks
to your facist mullahs generousities for World's terrorisme.
Yes, 98 % of Iranian people are like me. They may do not have the same
philosophi of life as I have but all of them wish peace and freedom.
They all wish to have a country where they can live, work and rise
their children without being kidnapped, killed, jailed, tortured for
expressing their ideas.
You are like those criminals aginst our country and share their crime
against the Iranian Nation as long as you suppport those thugs.
Shame to the shameless
Hallaj (Is quite an ordinary Iranian, no Pakistani)
Saeid Yazdanmehr
I am a bahai and after reading this, I can only tell you that you seriously need to
get your head cleared up of all of this hatered you have built towards humanity.
What do you envision might happen if you and all of you eliminated Baha'is from 165
countries around thw rold and stop the fastest growing religion in the history of
mankind and the fartest reach religion in the history of mankind from progressing.
What next, you try to eliminate Americans and then what. Convert all the Jewish and
Christian people to Islam and then you think the whole world become paradise. This
is where you are worng my friend. The humanity grows because of its differences and
ideas and not because of its blindness and singularities. You will be doomed to
vanish if you were the only idea in this planet. You have to try to convince
yourself to live with other ideas beside you and learn the tolerance factor as part
of your growth. The fact that Iran has been cornered at this time of history with
no where to go is trying to preach the singularity of Islam religion. You for that
fact need to follow that idea after seeing and experience outside world.
Saeid
Ali 209198 wrote:
Saman Ahmadi
Ali 209198 wrote:
> inshallah the cancer of bahism will be erased from iran
>
Unfortunately I think it has already metastasized.
-saman
erooni
letter. Please clarify (oops sorry, asking the wrong person)
erooni
On 10 Dec 1998 04:57:39 GMT ali2...@aol.com (Ali 209198) wrote:
> inshallah the cancer of bahism will be erased from iran
>
>
--
Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email -- always at Talkway.
http://www.talkway.com
La6red9nec
>From: ali2...@aol.com (Ali 209198)
>Date: 12/10/98 9:47 AM EST
>Message-id: <19981210094736...@ng-fb1.aol.com>
>
>it would even more if we got rid of ignorant little sh*ts like you.
>
We already have! This Hammal is a refugee in Norway. He has been dreaming about
returning to Iran for a long time, but alas one needs balls to quit talking and
take action.
>>But still it doesn't help Iranian people as long as the completley
>>sick ground mother of this canser, Islam is not death. So, let's hope
>>that the omm'ol fesAd, Islam, be erased, from Iran and from the earth!
>>
>>Hallaj
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Ali 209198
killed i am referring to the religion. i dont have anything personal against
bahai's but the islamic scholars have ruled bahai beliefs to be heresy and as a
muslim, it is an obligation to follow that order. the mullahs in iran havent
called for killing of bahahis either. if you read the letter i originally
posted, it says that bahais cannot be executed or deported from the country
unless they practise the religion of bahaism. they simply want to end the
practise of bahaism in iran. i understand how as a bahai you would be offended
at this, but when 99% of the country are non-bahais, there is little you can do
expect either following them or leaving the country.
peace
Ali 209198
iran twice but after the revolution. i respect your efforts but what i still
dont understand is why in hell you would want to support democracy. it seems
that you have not been firmly rooted in the concept of islam otherwise you
would not have abandoned it. what i am going by is the tradition Allah (SWT)
estalblished for us. you are going by a western fallacy. the concept of
democracy is foreign in islam. nothing existed even remotely similar to
democracy until the west established it. as for bahai's IRI is not on a
holocaust type mission to wipe out the bahais. rather they just dont want the
bahai faith to be practised in iran. my uncle whos lived there since 69 has
told me about how many of the bahais were allied with the shah. they were
selling out the people. thats why so many bahais left the country after the
revolution. they knew they were going to be tried for their crimes. bahahis
were amongst those executed after the revolution for serving the shah.
w00...@airmail.net
> [...]
Let me borrow your post Ali. Thanks. Maleki
>>
>>But still it doesn't help Iranian people as long as the completley
>>sick ground mother of this canser, Islam is not death. So, let's hope
>>that the omm'ol fesAd, Islam, be erased, from Iran and from the earth!
>>
>>Hallaj
>>
They erase your ass ten times before a mAdarghahbeye bisavAd like you
raise your hand on them :) Zionist rat.
Maleki
ps- I still like to legally fuck your sister. Is she available for
temporary marriage? I'll pay, don't worry. I know what makes you
Zionists tick :) Besides, you owe me jazyeh mAdarghahbeh. So have her
email me and we'll go from there.
--
--->> Please do not reply by private email. Thanks. <<---
w00...@airmail.net
Ali 209198
>They erase your ass ten times before a mAdarghahbeye bisavAd like you
>raise your hand on them :) Zionist rat.
>
>Maleki
>ps- I still like to legally fuck your sister. Is she available for
>temporary marriage? I'll pay, don't worry. I know what makes you
>Zionists tick :) Besides, you owe me jazyeh mAdarghahbeh. So have her
>email me and we'll go from there.
>
>--
> --->> Please do not reply by private email. Thanks. <<---
>
>
>
>
>
>
PBridge130
>We already have! This Hammal is a refugee in Norway. He has been dreaming
>about
>returning to Iran for a long time, but alas one needs balls to quit talking
>and
fat on green grass in the US, and b-a-a-a-a-ahing his impotent opinion while
sticking his wooly chest out and posturing as a BA revolutionary.
now i'm cracking up... i just had a vison of ali18, graduating from his
american university, and then looking around and realizing -- hey.... life's
kinda easy here -- maybe i should get a JOB, collect a paycheck, ..... maybe
buy a condo and a lexus.... i kinda LIKE having a mastercard (and an AMEX,
too!!) ..... yeah, i can send the mullahs five bucks a month outta my
paycheck... yeah, that'd be cool.... i can posture on the internet and be a
BA revolutionary, yeah....
heh.
talk is cheap. melt, buddy.... melt into the love of your la-z-boy recliner,
grab the remote, and crack a cold one.
w00...@airmail.net
wrote:
>
>
>Ali 209198 wrote:
>
>> inshallah the cancer of bahism will be erased from iran
>>
>
>Unfortunately I think it has already metastasized.
>
>-saman
>
Have your leaders in your assemblies told you anything about Baha'is in
Iran having started to kill Iranian writers and poets? Let us know about
such things if you hear about them, ok? Just a thought, who knows.
w00...@airmail.net
ALI GHASSEM BEN LADIN
Well said. God bless you.
Hallaj wrote:
>
> On 10 Dec 1998 14:47:36 GMT, ali2...@aol.com (Ali 209198) wrote:
>
> >it would even more if we got rid of ignorant little sh*ts like you.
>
> Shit is you, Your fucking marja'a-e taqlid and your bace-bAz prophet!
>
> People like me are the majority of Iranian Society and they will bury
> you bastards one day soon!
>
> Hallaj (Feels people who follow an old mulla are worse than gusfands)
>
> >
> >>But still it doesn't help Iranian people as long as the completley
> >>sick ground mother of this canser, Islam is not death. So, let's hope
> >>that the omm'ol fesAd, Islam, be erased, from Iran and from the earth!
> >>
> >>Hallaj
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
ALI GHASSEM BEN LADIN
ALI GHASSEM BEN LADIN
ALI GHASSEM BEN LADIN
realizes. kire yaboo to kosse nanat va dahanet. Goozeedam to roohe
napake jaddet.
Ali 209198 wrote:
>
> yeah right. if iran was full of jahils like you, there would have been no IR
> in the first place. hello....98% of the people voted for an Islamic Republic.
> where is the majority you claim? there is nothing that bahahi fanatics like
> you can do to pollute the government of Allah (SWT). the following statement
> of Ayatullah Khaklhali sums up the future of iran:
>
> "The mullahs are going to rule now. We are going to have ten thousand years of
> the Islamic republic. The Marxists are going to go on with their Lenin. We are
> going to go on in the way of Khomeini." - Ayatullah Khalkhali
>
> >Shit is you, Your fucking marja'a-e taqlid and >your bace-bAz prophet!
> >
> >People like me are the majority of Iranian >Society and they will bury
> >you bastards one day soon!
> >
> >Hallaj (Feels people who follow an old mulla >are worse than gusfands)
>
Abir Majid
>... as for bahai's IRI is not on a
> holocaust type mission to wipe out the bahais. rather they just dont want the
> bahai faith to be practised in iran.
How about outside Iran? The report you quoted says:
"A plan must be devised to confront and destroy their cultural roots
outside the
country. "
In your previous post you included the IRI report. While it stops short
of advocating the killing of Baha'is, don't you think that the following
excerpts from the summary contradict the Islamic conjunction of "no
compultion in religion" :
"The Government's dealings with them must be in such a way that their
progress
and development are blocked. "
"They can be enrolled in schools provided they have not identified
themselves as
Bahá'ís."
"Preferably, they should be enrolled in schools which have a strong and
imposing
religious ideology. "
"They must be expelled from universities, either in the admission
process or
during the course of their studies, once it becomes known that they are
Bahá'ís. "
"Deny them employment if they identify themselves as Bahá'ís. "
> ...my uncle whos lived there since 69 has
> told me about how many of the bahais were allied with the shah. they were
> selling out the people. thats why so many bahais left the country after the
> revolution. they knew they were going to be tried for their crimes.
Why did your family leave Iran? Why aren't back? Did everyone that left
the country leave because they were criminals? With government decisions
like *you* quoted above, do you blame some for trying to have a life
somewhere? For your information though, there are still hundreds of
thousands of Baha'is who remain in Iran. And by the way, you should ask
your uncle about his sources of information :
" O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news,
ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards
become full of repentance for what ye have done."
Qur'an 49:6
--
------------------------------------------------
Abir Majid
http://members.tripod.com/~abirm/
http://bci.org/islam-bahai
Saman Ahmadi
w00...@airmail.net wrote:
> Have your leaders in your assemblies told you anything about Baha'is in
> Iran having started to kill Iranian writers and poets? Let us know about
> such things if you hear about them, ok? Just a thought, who knows.
What do your leaders at the Flat Earth Society think
about the International Space Station?
-saman
rlit...@my-dejanews.com
Ali, you wrote "it says that bahais cannot be executed or deported from the
country
> unless they practise the religion of bahaism." So, according to this, Baha'is
may be killed under certain circumstances.
In fact, Baha'is have been obedient to the government. All of the Baha'i
institutions have been voluntarily disbanded, in accordance with the orders
from the Iranian government. What remains are elderly Baha'is who have had
their retirments and pensions taken away from them, working age Baha'is
unable to either get a job or retain ownership of their business or farm,
chldren and youth denied education. When Baha'is attempted to educate their
youth inside their own homes, the government (this summer, 1998) sacked their
homes, removed all computers, books and study materials, and jailed 32. Some
remain in jail under sentence of death.
What do you mean by "practice"? May Baha'is teach their children in their own
homes? May a Baha'i own Baha'i books? May a Baha'i talk to another person
about the Baha'i Faith?
Ali, the answer has been no in every case. Apparently, "practice" can mean
virtually anything, even saying a prayer to God.
Do you think that this is what the Koran teaches? Do you believe that you are
to blindly follow the commands of another person, even if that person asks you
to rob or injure or kill another?
Each human being is responsible to God for his or her own actions and words.
With respect,
Robert A. Little
In article <19981210220624...@ng-cf1.aol.com>,
ali2...@aol.com (Ali 209198) wrote:
> i think you misunderstood me. i am not calling for the bahai people to be
> killed i am referring to the religion. i dont have anything personal against
> bahai's but the islamic scholars have ruled bahai beliefs to be heresy and as
a
> muslim, it is an obligation to follow that order. the mullahs in iran havent
> called for killing of bahahis either. if you read the letter i originally
> posted, it says that bahais cannot be executed or deported from the country
> unless they practise the religion of bahaism. they simply want to end the
> practise of bahaism in iran. i understand how as a bahai you would be
offended
> at this, but when 99% of the country are non-bahais, there is little you can
do
> expect either following them or leaving the country.
>
> peace
> "Melt into and love Imam Khomeini in the same manner he melted into and loved
> Islam." (Martyred Ayatullah al-Uzma Sayyid Muhammad Baqir as-Sadr)
>
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
rlit...@my-dejanews.com
I wish to say, Ali 209198, that your uncle has been misinformed.
As evidence, let me cite the case of the Baha'i women, including teenaged
girls, who were killed by the authorities in the beautiful Iranian city of
Shiraz. There was one girl who was only 18 when she was murdered, and who
would have been a child when the Shah was in power. Her name was Mona. Are
you saying that these women, who had only to deny their faith in Baha'u'llah
to live, instead actually were agents of the Shah?
As I understand it, "only" 200 or so Baha'is have been killed by the
authorities since the fall of the Shah. However, each and every one of these
men, women and teenagers had only to recant or deny their faith in
Baha'u'llah to live. This flies in the face of your assertion that Baha'is
supported in any way the Shah, or any government.
At no time in the history of the Baha'i Faith (over 150 years now) has there
been one single moment when Baha'is were free. During the reign of the Shah,
some of the worst attacks in the entire history of this Faith occurred
(approx. 1957), which brought upon Iran the condemnation of the United
Nations. Photos were taken showing Mullahs standing with picks in their hands
as the Baha'i properties were destroyed. This was done with the approval of
the Shah.
We have heard also that the Baha'i Faith is an enemy of Iran because Baha'is
are agents of Zionism. We have heard that Baha'is practice sex orgies, and we
have heard that Baha'is lie about Muhammad. We have heard many things over
the decades, but whether it is Nasirid din Shah, or the Shah en Shah, the
result is always the same. (Please pardon my spelling. There is no insult
intended)
Please let me set the record straight: Baha'is are forbidden by Baha'u'llah
from interfering in the politics of any government, of any nation. There are
no exceptions. Baha'is may be appointed to positions such as judgeships, but
they may not run for any political office or belong to any political party.
Not in Iran, not in the United States, and if there were any Isreali Baha'is
at all, not in Isreal. There is the case of a General in the army of the
Shah, who became a Baha'i. He immediately resigned his commission, and
ultimately left the country. There is another story that the personal
physician of the Shah was a Baha'i. This may have been true, but the fact
that an absolute ruler employs a superb physician who has no political agenda
whatsoever to attend to his health needs reflects more on the fear of
assasination of the ruler than on the motives of the surgeon, who, as a
Baha'i, had no rights, and who could be sentenced to death and executed
without a thought.
I realize that there are many bad things said about Baha'is and the Baha'i
Faith, but if you simply take the time to read for yourself what Baha'u'llah
- who was Persian and not Arabic - wrote, you would realize that He
inculcates in His followers the highest moral and ethical standards, the
greatest love for all human beings. This is precisely why they would rather
die than deny their faith in God.
Baha'u'llah wrote that the day will come when Iran will be one of the greatest
nations in the world, and that her people will be renowned for their moral
rectitude, and their devotion to God.
I believe that that day will come.
I ask you: read one Baha'i prayer, just one. The prayer is directed to God,
and comes from your heart. Read it, compare it to what you know of the Koran,
and then say a prayer from the Koran. Ask God to guide you arright.
With respect,
Robert A. Little
In article <19981210222910...@ng-cf1.aol.com>,
ali2...@aol.com (Ali 209198) wrote:
> actually ive been to pakistan only once for a few months in 89. ive been to
> iran twice but after the revolution. i respect your efforts but what i still
> dont understand is why in hell you would want to support democracy. it seems
> that you have not been firmly rooted in the concept of islam otherwise you
> would not have abandoned it. what i am going by is the tradition Allah (SWT)
> estalblished for us. you are going by a western fallacy. the concept of
> democracy is foreign in islam. nothing existed even remotely similar to
> democracy until the west established it. as for bahai's IRI is not on a
> holocaust type mission to wipe out the bahais. rather they just dont want the
> bahai faith to be practised in iran. my uncle whos lived there since 69 has
> told me about how many of the bahais were allied with the shah. they were
> selling out the people. thats why so many bahais left the country after the
Chris Manvell
>"They can be enrolled in schools provided they have not identified
>themselves as
>Bahá'ís."
[snip]
>"They must be expelled from universities, either in the admission
>process or
>during the course of their studies, once it becomes known that they are
>Bahá'ís. "
>
>"Deny them employment if they identify themselves as Bahá'ís. "
I believe that in all the cases above, one of the questions asked on
applying for enrolment/permits etc. is "What is your religion?" As
Baha'is are NOT allowed to dissimulate (deny their faith) all the above
can be reworded as "No Baha'is shall ...."
BTW, it is not only the Baha'is that have a raw deal (though they do get
the worst one) as Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians are all treated as
second class citizens.
Best wishes,
Chris
--
Chris Manvell, Isle of Skye, Scotland. Tel.:+44+(0)1471-822 317
Fax.:+44+(0)870-056 8081
Personal Web site: <http://www.breacais.demon.co.uk/>
Association of Baha'i Studies (English speaking Europe):
<http://www.breacais.demon.co.uk/BSR/>
Sgriobtiurean Creidimh nam Baha-i
<http://www.breacais.demon.co.uk/gaelic/>
w00...@airmail.net
<ALI1...@NETWAVE.ORG> wrote:
>your imam is still fucking your asshole and you the foolish moron never
>realizes. kire yaboo to kosse nanat va dahanet. Goozeedam to roohe
>napake jaddet.
>
Are you by any chance Sam Ghandchi's mother?
Maleki
w00...@airmail.net
wrote:
Probably busy rejecting Baha'is claim that the Station is held there in
the sky by the force of AbdolbalA's "balA" only. You all're so fond of
his "balA", tokhme'abdolbalA :)
w00...@airmail.net
w00...@airmail.net
<ALI1...@NETWAVE.ORG> wrote:
>your imam is still fucking your asshole and you the foolish moron never
>realizes. kire yaboo to kosse nanat va dahanet. Goozeedam to roohe
>napake jaddet.
>
Are you by any chance Sam Ghandchi's mother?
Maleki
w00...@airmail.net
your post to reply to Hallaj the mAdarghahbeh. He
is on my browser's kill-file and I don't have direct
access to his posts. Did you read the first line I
wrote for you?
Maleki
Ali 209198 wrote:
>
> r u talking 2 me?
>
> >They erase your ass ten times before a mAdarghahbeye bisavAd like you
> >raise your hand on them :) Zionist rat.
> >
> >Maleki
> >ps- I still like to legally fuck your sister. Is she available for
> >temporary marriage? I'll pay, don't worry. I know what makes you
> >Zionists tick :) Besides, you owe me jazyeh mAdarghahbeh. So have her
> >email me and we'll go from there.
> >
> >--
> > --->> Please do not reply by private email. Thanks. <<---
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Ali 209198
>Of course not. As I wrote in there I was borrowing
>your post to reply to Hallaj the mAdarghahbeh. He
>is on my browser's kill-file and I don't have direct
>access to his posts. Did you read the first line I
>wrote for you?
>
La6red9nec
>Date: 12/11/98 9:26 PM EST
>Message-id: <3679d431...@news.airmail.net>
>
>On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:12:58 -0500, ALI GHASSEM BEN LADIN
><ALI1...@NETWAVE.ORG> wrote:
>
>>your imam is still fucking your asshole and you the foolish moron never
>>realizes. kire yaboo to kosse nanat va dahanet. Goozeedam to roohe
>>napake jaddet.
>>
>
>Are you by any chance Sam Ghandchi's mother?
>
>Maleki
I think this guy is unbalanced SB who has been through decultivization with
permanent damage to the neck area.
erooni
That would be ayeh be gooshe khar khoondan LOL
erooni
ps. Hey A1i or Ali or whatever your name is. Please stick to one
handle, so we can kill file you easiy. TIA
--
Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email -- always at Talkway.
http://www.talkway.com
erooni
No one misunderstands you believe me understanding YOU is like reading
a children's story, sy, Alice in wonderland.
Nonetheless, to destroy a group of ppl or their beliefs takes more guts
and knowledge that you have shown in your many posts. Miss-quoting
Quran and some of marhoom deh-khoda's charand o parand, does not make
you an authority on anything.
I am not sure about the Iranian Bahai's or even the Bahai's on SCI, but
know this, your fellow moslim SCIers such as myself dispise you to no
end. Happy dreaming,
Yours dispisedly,<as Padideh Khanoom would have said>
erooni
On 11 Dec 1998 03:06:24 GMT ali2...@aol.com (Ali 209198) wrote:
> i think you misunderstood me. i am not calling for the bahai people to be
> killed i am referring to the religion. i dont have anything personal against
> bahai's but the islamic scholars have ruled bahai beliefs to be heresy and as a
> muslim, it is an obligation to follow that order. the mullahs in iran havent
> called for killing of bahahis either. if you read the letter i originally
> posted, it says that bahais cannot be executed or deported from the country
> unless they practise the religion of bahaism. they simply want to end the
> practise of bahaism in iran. i understand how as a bahai you would be offended
> at this, but when 99% of the country are non-bahais, there is little you can do
> expect either following them or leaving the country.
>
> peace
> "Melt into and love Imam Khomeini in the same manner he melted into and loved
> Islam." (Martyred Ayatullah al-Uzma Sayyid Muhammad Baqir as-Sadr)
w00...@airmail.net
message <19981212190544...@ng-bw1.aol.com> wrote:
What can I do, everytime I read someone cursing his or her mouth out I
think of Ghandchi!