The Lacerta File I

[sony-wongso]

The Lacerta File I

Translation by Chris Pfeiler, Editor and Translator.

Introduction

I certify that the following text is the absolute truth and no work of
fiction. These are parts of a transcript of an interview I’ve made
with a non-human and reptilian being in December 1999. This female
being was already in contact with a friend of mine (whose name is
given only with the abbreviation E.F. in the text) since some months.
Let me declare, that I was all my life a skeptic about UFOs, aliens
and other weird things and I thought that E.F. tells me just dreams or
fictitious stories when he talked with me about his First Contacts
with the non-human being "Lacerta". I was still a skeptic when I met
this being on December 16 last year in that small warm room in the
remote house of my friend near to a town in the south of Sweden,
despite the fact that I saw now with my own eyes that she was not
human. She has told and shown me so many unbelievable things during
that meeting that I can’t deny the reality and the truth of her words
any longer. This is not another of that wrong UFO papers which claim
to tell the truth but tell in fact just fiction, I’m convinced that
this transcript contains the only truth and therefore you should read
it.

I had talked with her for over 3 hours, so the following transcript
shows you only shortened parts of the interview, because she asked me
after the interview not to publish everything she had told me already
now. The order of the questions in this transcript is not always the
same order in which I had asked them, so it may seem sometimes a
little bit confusing to you. It was not easy to delete all the
important parts she had asked me to delete from the transcript, so I
apologize for the maybe unusual order. I’m in the possession of the
entire transcript of the interview (49 pages with some of my drawings
of her body and her equipment) and also of some tapes on which I have
the full interview, but I will not reveal this before I have
permission from her. I will send this shortened form of the still
fascinating document to four of my reliable friends to Finland,
Norway, Germany and France and I hope they will translate it into
their own languages and into other languages and I hope as many people
as possible will be able to read and to understand the transcript. If
you receive it, please send it to all your friends via e-mail or make
print-outs and copy them.

I certify furthermore, that various "paranormal" abilities of her
species like telepathy and telekinesis (including the moving and
dancing of my pencil on the table without touching and the flying of
an apple around 40 centimeters over her hands) were shown to me during
the 3 hours and 6 minutes of the meeting and I’m absolutely sure that
these abilities were no tricks. The following is certainly difficult
to understand and to believe for someone who hasn’t experienced it,
but I was really in contact with her mind and I’m now completely sure
that everything she said during the interview is the absolute truth
about our world.

Unfortunately, if I read the entire transcript and (much more) this
very shortened form by myself I have the strong impression, that
everything I’ve written sounds too unbelievable to be true, that
everything sounds more like a bad science fiction story from TV or
cinema and I have doubts that anyone will believe my experiences. But
they are true, if you believe it or not. I can’t expect from you that
you believe my simple words without evidence, but I can’t give you
that evidence. Please read the transcript and think about it and you
will maybe see the truth in these words.

There will be a new meeting between me and her (again in the same
house in Sweden) on April 23 2000 and she promised me to give me maybe
some evidence for her existence. In the meantime I collect questions
which I will ask her then. Maybe she gives me permission to reveal
more of the missing parts in that transcript and about the coming war.

Believe it or not, this makes no real difference (but I hope you will
believe.)

Ole K.

Transcript of Interview (Shortened Version)

December 16, 1999

Question: First of all, who are you and what are you? Are you an
extraterrestrial species or can your origin be found on this planet?

Answer: As you could see with your own eyes, I’m not a human being
like you and to be honest I’m no real mammal (despite my partly mammal-
like body features, which are a result of evolution.) I’m a female
reptile being, belonging to a very old reptilian race. We are the
native terrans and we live on that planet since millions of years. We
are mentioned in your religious writings like your Christian Bible and
many of the ancient human tribes were aware of our presence and
worshipped us as gods, for example the Egyptians and the Inca and many
other old tribes. Your Christian religion has misunderstood our role
in your creation, so we are mentioned as "evil serpent" in your
writings. This is wrong. Your race was genetically engineered by
aliens and we were just the more or less passive visitors of this
accelerated evolution process. You must know (some of your scientists
have already supposed this) that your species had evolved in a
naturally completely impossible speed within just 2 - 3 millions of
years. This is absolutely impossible, because evolution is a much
slower process if it’s natural but you have not understood this. Your
creation was artificial and done by genetic engineering, but not by us
but by an alien species. If you ask me, if I’m an extraterrestrial, I
must answer no. We are native terrans. We had and have some colonies
in the solar system, but we originate on this planet. It’s in fact our
planet and not yours - it was never yours.

Question: Can you tell me your name?

Answer: This is difficult, because your human tongue is not able to
pronounce it correctly (and a mispronunciation of our names is very
offensive for some of my kind.) Our language is very different from
yours, but my name is —I will try to say it smoother by use of your
human letters— something like "Sssshiaassshakkkasskkhhhshhh" with a
very, very strong pronunciation of the "sh" and "k" sounds. We have no
forenames like you but only a single but unique name which is divided
and characterized by the way of speaking and which is given not to
children (who have an own children-name) but only in a special
procedure in the adolescent age at the time of either religious or
scientific "enlightenment" or awareness (as you would call it.) I
would appreciate it if you don’t try to say my real name with your
human tongue. Please call me "Lacerta", this is the name I generally
use when I’m among humans and talk with them.

Question: How old are you?

Answer: We measure the time not like you in astronomical years and in
the revolving of the earth around sun, because we usually live beneath
the surface of the planet. Our time measurement depends on
periodically returning cycles in the earth magnetic field and
according to this (and said with your numbers) I’m today —let me
calculate— 57,653 cycles old. I have reached my adult phase and my
awareness 16,337 cycles ago (this is a very important date for us.)
According to your human time scale I’m around 28 years old.

Question: What is your task? Do you have a "job" like us?

Answer: To say it with your words: I’m a curios student of the social
behavior of your species. That’s why I’m here and talk to you, that’s
why I have revealed my real nature to E.F. and now to you and that’s
why I give you all that secret information and why I will try to
answer all the questions on your many sheets of paper honestly. I will
see how you react, how others of your kind react. There are so many
crazies and liars of your kind on this planet who claim to know the
truth about us, about UFOs, about aliens and so on and some of you
believe their lies. I’m interested to see how your species will react
if you make the truth (which I will tell you now) public. I’m quite
sure everyone of you will refuse to believe my words, but I hope I’m
wrong, because you need to understand if you want to survive the
coming years.

Question: I’ve read your full statement (which you have given to E.F.)
about this, but can you give me now just a short answer: are UFOs real
flying objects piloted by extraterrestrials or do they belong to your
species?

Answer: Some observed UFOs - as you call them - belong to us, but most
not. Most of the "mysterious" flying objects in the sky are not
technological devices but mainly misinterpretations of natural
phenomena your scientists have not understood (like spontaneous plasma
flares in the high atmosphere.) Nevertheless, some UFOs are real craft
belonging either to your own species (especially to your military) or
to other alien species or at last to us (but a minority of sighted
craft belongs really to us, because we are generally very careful with
our movements in the atmosphere and we have special ways to hide our
ships.) If you read a report about a sighting of a metallic bright-
gray cigar-shaped cylindrical object with a length of —there are
different types— let me say between 20 and 260 of your meters and if
this object had made a very deep humming sound and if there were 5
bright red lights on the metallic surface of the cigar (one at the
top, one in the middle, two at the end) then it’s likely that someone
of you have seen one of our ships and this means that it was either
partly defect or that someone of us was not careful enough. We have
also a very small fleet of disc-shaped craft, but such UFOs belong
usually to an alien species. Triangular UFOs belong generally to your
own military but they use foreign technology to build them. If you
really want to try to see one of our craft, you should have a look at
the skies over the Arctic, the Antarctic and over Inner Asia
(especially over the mountains there.)

Question: Have you a special symbol or something like that with which
we can identify your kind?

Answer: We have two major symbols representing our species. One (the
more ancient) symbol is a blue serpent with four white wings on a
black background (the colors have religious meanings for us.) This
symbol was used from certain parts of my society, but it is today very
seldom —you humans have copied it very often in your old writings. The
other symbol is a mystic being you would call a "Dragon" in the shape
of a circle with seven white stars in the middle. This symbol is much
more common today. If you see one of that symbols on a cylindrical
craft I’ve described in my previous answer or on some underground
installation, this thing or place belongs definitely to us (and I
would advise you to go away from there as soon as possible.)

Question: The seven stars in the second symbol you’ve mentioned, do
they mean the Pleiades?

Answer: Pleiades? No. Actually, the seven stars are planets and moons
and they are a symbol for our former seven colonies in the solar
system. The stars are shown in front of a blue background and the
dragon-circle means the shape of Earth. The seven white stars mean
Moon, Mars, Venus and 4 moons of Jupiter and Saturn, we had colonized
in the past. Two colonies are no longer in use and abandoned, so 5
stars would be more correct.

Question: As you have not allowed me to make photos —what would be
very useful to prove your real existence and the truth of this story—
can you describe yourself detailed?

Answer: I know that it would be helpful to prove the authenticity of
this interview if you can make some photos from me. Otherwise, you
humans are very skeptic (that’s good for us and for the real alien
species acting secretly on this planet) so even if you had such
photos, many of your kind would say that they are fraud, that I’m just
a masked human woman or something like that (that would be very
offensive for me.) You must understand that I can’t give you
permission to make photos of me or of my equipment. This have various
reasons, which I want not to discuss with you further, but one of the
reasons is the keeping up of the secrecy of our existence, another
reason is more religious. Nevertheless, you have permission to make
drawings of my look and of my equipment I can show you later. I can
also try to describe myself, but I doubt that others of your kind will
be able to imagine my real look just from simple words, because the
automatic denial of the existence of reptilian species and generally
of intelligent species other than your own is part of the programming
of your mind. Well, I will try.

Imagine the body of a normal human woman and you have at first a good
imagination of my body. Like you, I have a head, two arms, two hands,
two legs and two feet and the proportions of my body are like yours.
As I’m female I have also two breasts (despite our reptile origin, we
have started to give milk to our babies during the evolution process —
this happened around 30 million years ago— because this is the best
thing to keep the young alive. Evolution had done this for your
species already in the dinosaur age and —a little bit later— also for
ours. That means not that we are now real mammals) but the breasts of
us are not as large as those of human woman and the size of them is
generally equal for every female of my kind. The external reproduction
organs are for both sexes smaller than those of humans, but they are
visible and they have the same function as yours (another gift of
evolution to our species.)

My skin is mainly of a green-beige colour - more pale green - and we
have some patterns of brown irregular dots (each dot of the size of 1
- 2 centimeters) on our skin and in our face (the patterns are
different for both sexes but females have more, especially in the
lower body and in the face.) You can see them in my case as two lines
over the eyebrows crossing my forehead, at my cheek and at my chin. My
eyes are a little bit larger than human eyes (for this reason, we can
see better in the darkness) and usually dominated from the large black
pupils, which are surrounded from a small bright-green iris (males
have a dark-green iris). The pupil is slit and can change its size
from a small black line to a wide-open egg-shaped oval, because our
retina is very light sensitive and the pupil must compare this. We
have external round ears but they are smaller and not so curved as
yours, but we can hear better because our ears are more sensitive for
sonic (we can also hear a wider range of sonic). There’s a muscle or
"lid" over the ears which can completely close them (for example under
water). Our nose is more pointed and there is a V-shaped curving
between the nostrils, which enabled the ancestors to "see"
temperature. We have lost most of this ability, but we can still feel
temperature much better with this "organ". Our lips are shaped like
yours (those of females a little bit larger than those of males) but
of a pale brown colour and our teeth are very white and strong and a
little bit longer and sharper than your soft mammal teeth. We have no
different hair colors like you (but there is a tradition to colour the
hairs in different ages) and the original colour is —like mine— a
greenish brown. Our hairs are thicker and stronger than yours and they
grow very slow. In addition, the head is the only part of our body
where we have hairs.

Our body, arms and legs are similar in shape and size to yours, but
the color is different (green-beige, like the face) and there are
scale-like structures on the upper legs (over the knee) and upper arms
(over the elbow). Our five fingers are a little bit longer and thinner
than human fingers and our skin on the palm is plain, so we have no
lines like you but again a combination of a scale-like skin structure
and of the brown dots (both sexes have the dots on the palm) and we
have no fingerprints like you. If you touch my skin, you will feel
that it is smoother than your hairy skin. There are small sharp horns
on the upside of both middle fingers. The fingernails are grey and
generally longer than yours. You see that my nails are not so long and
round at the top. This is because I’m female. Males have sharp pointed
nails with a length of sometimes 5 or 6 of your centimeters. The
following feature is very different from your body and part of our
reptilian origin: if you touch the backside of my upper body you will
feel a hard bony line through my clothing. This is not my spine but a
very difficult shaped external plate-structure of skin and tissue
following exactly our spine from the head to the hip. There is an
extremely high number of nerves and large blood vessels in this
structure and in the plates (which are around two or three centimeters
long and very touch sensitive - this is the reason why we have always
problems to sit in chairs with a back like this chair.) The main task
of these small plates (beside a role in our sexuality) is simply the
regulation of our body temperature and if we sit in natural or
artificial sunlight, these plates become more blood-filled and the
vessels become wider and the sun is able to heat up our reptoid blood
(which circulates through the body and through the plates) for many
degrees and that gives us a great pleasure.

What else is different from your kind? Oh, we have no navel, because
we were born in a different way to your mammal birth. The other
exterior differences from your kind are minor and I think I must not
mention all now, because most of them are not visible if we wear
clothing. I hope the description of my body was detailed enough. I
would advice you to make some drawings.

Question: What kind of clothing do you generally wear? I suppose this
is not the way you dress normally?

Answer: No, I wear this human every-day-clothing only when I’m among
humans. To be honest, it’s not very comfortable for me to wear such
tight things and it is always a very unusual feeling. If we are in our
own home (this means in our subterranean home) or in our large
artificial sun areas and if we are together with others near to our
own name, we are usually naked. Is this shocking for you? When we are
in the public and together with many others of my species we wear very
wide and soft clothing made of thin, light stuff. I have told you that
many parts of our bodies are very touch sensitive, mostly the small
back plates so we can’t feel comfortable in tight clothing because it
can hurt us. Man and woman wear often the same kind of clothing, but
the colors are different for the sexes.

Question: You’ve said "others near to your own name". Do you mean your
family?

Answer: No, not really. You would call it "family" but with this word
you mean only those of your kind which belong genetically together
like father or mother and child. As I have said earlier we have a very
difficult and unique name. Part of the pronunciation of that name is
absolute unique and there is no other being with the same name, but
part of this name (the middle part) is pronounced in a way that told
the others to which "family" (I must use the word, because you haven’t
the right one in your vocabulary) you belong. This means not that all
in that group are genetically related to you, because these groups are
usually very large and contain between 40 and 70 of us. This group
includes generally your genetic relations - except one of them had
decided to left this group - and your connection with father and
mother is often the strongest. It would be too difficult for me to
explain you now our very old social system which is very complex and
we would need many hours only for the primary things. Maybe we can
meet another time and I can give you detailed descriptions of all
these things.

Question: Have you a tail like normal reptiles?

Answer: Do you see one? No, we have no visible tail. If you look at
our skeleton, there is only a small rounded bone at the end of our
spine behind the pelvis. This is a useless rudiment of the tail of our
ancestors, but it is not visible from the outside. Oh, our embryos
have tails during the first months of development, but these tails
disappear before they were born. A tail makes only sense for a
primitive species which tries to walk on two legs and must held the
balance with the tail, but our skeleton had changed during evolution
and our spine is nearly in the same shape as yours, so we need no tail
to stay on two feet.

Question: You said that you were born in a different way to us. Do you
lay eggs?

Answer: Yes, but not like your birds or primitive reptiles. Actually,
the embryo grows in a protein liquid inside the mother’s womb, but
there is also an egg-shaped but very thin chalk hull around it, that
fills the whole womb. The embryo inside this hull is completely
autarky from the mother’s body and it has every substance it needs to
develop inside this chalk hull. There is also a cord like your navel
cord which is connected to a point hidden behind the back plates. When
the baby is going to be born, the whole egg is pressed through the
vagina covered in a slimy protein substance and the baby came out of
this soft egg after some minutes. These two horns on our middle
fingers were instinctively used from babies to break through the chalk
hull to take their first breath. Our young are not so large as your
babies when they were born, they are between 30 and 35 of your
centimeters tall, the egg is around 40 centimeters tall (this is
because our vagina is smaller than a human one) but we grow to a
normal size of 1,60 to 1,80 meters.

Question: What about your body temperature? You’ve said that you enjoy
to lay in the sun. What effect has this to your organism?

Answer: We are no mammals and as reptiles our body temperature depends
on the temperature of our surrounding. If you touch my hand you will
maybe feel that it is colder than yours, because our normal body
temperature is around 30 to 33 degree Celsius. If we sit in the sun
(especially naked and with our row of small back plates in the sun)
our body temperature can rise for 8 or 9 degrees within minutes. This
rise causes a production of many enzymes and hormones in our body, our
heart and brain and every organ becomes more active and we feel than
very, very good. You humans only enjoy being in the sun but for us it
is the greatest pleasure you can imagine (maybe like your sexual
excitement.) We also enjoy swimming in very warm water or other
liquids to rise our body temperature. If we are for some hours in the
shadow, our temperature goes back to 30 to 33 degrees. This can cause
no harm to us, but we feel much better in the sun. We have artificial
sun-rooms in the underground but this is not the same for us like the
real sun.

Question: What do you eat?

Answer: Generally various things like you: flesh, fruit, vegetables,
special kinds of fungus (from subterranean farms) and other things. We
can also eat and digest some substances which are poisonous for you.
The main difference between you and us is that we must eat flesh,
because our body needs the proteins. We can’t live completely
vegetarian like your kind because our digestion would stop working and
we would die after some weeks or maybe months without flesh. Many of
us eat raw flesh or other things which would be disgusting for you.
Personally, I prefer cooked flesh and surface fruits like apples or
oranges.

Question: Can you tell me something about the natural history and
evolution of your species? How old is your species? Have you evolved
from primitive reptiles as mankind has evolved from apes?

Answer: Oh, this is a very long and complex story and it sounds
certainly unbelievable to you, but it’s the truth. I will try to
explain it in short. Around 65 million years ago, many of our
unadvanced ancestors from the dinosaur race died in a great global
cataclysm. The reason for this destruction was not a natural disaster
- an asteroid impact as your scientists believe falsely - but a war
between two enemy alien groups that took mainly place in the orbit and
high atmosphere of your planet. According to our limited knowledge
about the early days this global war was the first alien war on planet
earth but it was definitely not the last (and a future war is coming
soon, while a "cold war" - as you call it - between alien groups is
ongoing since the last 73 years on your planet.) The opponents in this
65 million year old war were two advanced alien species, whose both
names are again not pronounceable for your tongues. I’m able to say
them but it would hurt your ear if I tell you the names in their
original way. One race was humanoid like your species (but much older)
and was from this universe, from a solar system in the star
constellation you call "Procyon" today in your maps. The other species
- about which we know not so much - was a reptilian species, but they
have nothing to do with our own species, because we have evolved from
local saurians without exterior influence (except the successful
manipulation of our own genes by us. More about that later.) The
advanced reptilian species came not from this universe but from a -
well, how should I explain it to you. Your scientists have not really
understood the true nature of the universe, because your illogical
mind is not able to see the easiest things and relies on wrong
mathematics and numbers. This is part of the genetic programming of
your kind to which I will come later. Let me say, that you are nearly
as far away from the understanding of the universe as you were 500
years ago.

To use a term you will maybe understand: the other species came not
from this universe but from another "bubble" in the foam of the
Omniverse. You would call it maybe another dimension, but this is not
the right word to describe it correctly (by the way, the term
dimension is generally wrong in the way you understand it.) The fact
you should remember is, that advanced species are able to "walk"
between bubbles by use of - as you would call it - quantum technology
and sometimes in special ways only by use of their mind (my own
species had also advanced mental abilities in comparison to your
species, but we are not able to do the matter-string/bubble changing
without technology, but other species active on this planet are able
and this looks to you like magic as it had to your ancestors.)

Back to our own history: the first species (the humanoids) had reached
Earth around 150 years before the reptilians and they built some
colonies on the former continents. There was a large colony on the
continent you call "Antarctica" today and another one in the continent
you call "Asia" today. These people lived together with animal-like
saurians on the planet without problems. When the advanced reptilian
species arrived in this system, the humanoid colonists from "Procyon"
tried to communicate peacefully, but they were not successful and a
global war started within months. You must understand that both
species were interested in this young planet not for his biology and
undeveloped species, but for only one reason: raw material, especially
copper. To understand this reason, you must know that copper is a very
important material for some advanced species (even today) because it
is - together with some unstable materials - able to produce new
stable elements if you induce a high electromagnetic field in the
right angle with a high nuclear radiation field to produce an over-
crossing of fluctuating fields. The fusion of copper with other
elements in such a magnetic/radiation field-chamber can produce a
force field of special nature that is very useful for various
technological tasks (but the base for this is an extremely complex
formula you are not able to discover because of the restrictions of
your simple mind.) Both species wanted to have the copper of Planet
Earth and for this reason they fought a not very long war in space and
orbit. The humanoid species seemed to be successful during the first
time, but in a last battle the reptilians decided to use a mighty
experimental weapon - a special kind of fusion bomb which should
destroy the life forms on the planet but should not harm the valuable
raw materials and the copper. The bomb was fired from space and
detonated at a point of your planet you call "Middle America" today.
As it detonated in the ocean, it produced an unpredictable fusion with
hydrogen and the effect was much stronger than the reptilians had
expected. A deadly radiation, an over-production of fusion-oxygen, a
fall-out of different elements and a "nuclear winter" for nearly 200
years were the result. Most of the humanoids were killed and the
reptilians lost their interest on the planet after some years for
(even for us) unknown reasons - maybe because of the radiation. Planet
Earth was on its own again and the animals on the surface died. By the
way, one result of the fusion bomb was the fall-out of different
elements and materials created in the burning process and one of those
materials was Iridium. Your human scientists today see the Iridium
concentration in the ground as an evidence for an asteroid impact that
killed the dinosaurs. That is not true, but how should you know that?

Well, most of the dinosaurs died (not all in the detonation but in the
bad things which came after the war, especially in the nuclear winter
and in the fall-out.) Nearly all dinosaurs and reptilians were dead
within the next 20 years. Some of them —especially those in the oceans
— were able to survive for the next 200 to 300 years even in this
changed world, but these species also died, because the climate had
changed. The nuclear winter ended after 200 years, but it was colder
on earth than before. Despite the cataclysm, some species were able to
survive: fish (like the sharks), birds, little creepy mammals (your
ancestors), various reptiles like crocodiles... and there was a
special kind of small but advanced dinosaurs which had developed
together with the last large animal-reptilians like the species you
call Tyrannosaurus.

This new reptile was walking on two legs and looked at little bit like
your reconstruction of an Iguanodon (it originated in this family) but
it was smaller (around 1.50 meters tall) with some humanoid features,
a changed bone structure, a larger skull and brain, a hand with a
thumb which was able to grab things, a different organism and
digestion, advanced eyes in the middle of the head like your eyes and
most important...with a new and better brain structure. This was our
direct ancestor. There are theories that the radiation from the bomb
took part in the mutations of the organism of this new breed, but this
is not proven. Nevertheless, this little humanoid-like dinosaur
evolved during the following 30 million years (as I have said earlier,
a species need generally more time to evolve than you think, if the
evolution is not artificially induced like in your case) from an
animal to a more or less thinking being. These beings were intelligent
enough not to die in the next millions of years, because they learned
to change their behavior, they lived in caves instead in the cold
nature and they learned to use stones and branches as first tools and
the use of fire as help to warm them - especially to warm their blood
which is very important for our kind to survive. During the next 20
million years this species was divided by nature into 27 sub-species
(unfortunately, former reptilian species were prone to divide
themselves in a more or less illogical way into sub-species during the
evolution process. You can clearly see this in the unnecessary high
number of animal-dinosaur species in earlier times) and there were
many (mainly primitive) wars between this sub-species for dominance.

Well, nature was not very friendly to us and as far a we know from the
27 sub-species 24 were extinct in primitive wars and in evolution,
because their organism and mind was not developed enough to survive
and (as main reason) they were not able to change their blood
temperature in the right way if the climate changed. 50 million years
after the war and after the end of Dinosaurs, only three (now also
technological) advanced reptilian species were remaining on this
planet together with all the other lower animals. Through natural and
artificial crossbreeding these three species were united to one
reptilian species and through the invention of genetic manipulations,
we were able to "eliminate" the dividing-prone genes in our genetic
structure. According to our history and belief, this was the time when
our final reptilian race - as you see me today - was created by use of
genetic engineering. This was around 10 million years ago and our
evolution nearly stopped at this point (well, actually there were some
minor changes in our look toward a more humanoid and mammal-like
appearance during the coming ages, but we have not divided again into
sub-species). You see, we are a very old race in comparison to your
kind, which was jumping around as small monkey-like animals in the
trees at this time while we invented technology, colonized other
planets of this system, built large cities on this planet (which
disappeared without a trace in the ages) and engineered our own genes
while your genes where still those of animals.

10 million years ago the small simians started to grow and they came
down from the trees to the ground (again because of the change of the
climate - especially on the so-called African continent.) But they
evolved very slow as it is normal for a mammal and if nothing
extraordinary had happened to your kind, we wouldn’t be able to sit
here and talk because I would sit in my comfortable modern house and
you would sit in your cave clothed with fur and trying to discover the
secrets of fire - or you would maybe sit in one of our zoos. But the
things had developed differently and you believe now you are the
"crown of creation" and you can sit in the modern house and we must
hide and live beneath the earth and in remote areas. Around 1,5
million years ago, another alien species arrived at Earth (it was
surprisingly the first species since over 60 million years. This would
be more surprising for you if you would know how many different
species are today here.) The interest of this humanoid species - you
call them "Illojim" today - was not the raw material and the copper,
it were to our astonishment the unadvanced ape-humanoids. Despite of
our presence on this planet, the aliens decided to "help" the apes to
evolve a little bit faster, to serve them in the future as some kind
of slave-race in coming wars. The fate of your species was not really
important for us, but we didn’t like the presence of the "Illojim" on
our planet and they didn’t liked our presence on their new "galactic
zoo" planet and so your sixth and seventh creation was the reason for
a war between us and them. You can read about that war for example
partly in the book you call "Bible" in a very strange way of
description. The real truth is a very long and difficult story. Should
I continue?

Question: No, not now. I’ve made some notes about your history and now
I have some questions.

Answer: Please ask.

Question: First of all, you handle with a very large time scale. You
claim that your primitive ancestors lived together with the dinosaurs,
survived the - as you called it - artificial cataclysm and evolved
then over 40 million years and your evolution was completed 10 million
years ago. This sounds very unbelievable to me. Can you say something
to this?

Answer: I understand that this must sound absolutely unbelievable to
you, because you are a young and genetically engineered species. Your
historical horizon ends at a scale of just some thousands of years and
you think this is right. But it isn’t. This is impossible. Your
programmed mind is obviously not able to handle with such large time
scales. Our evolution time may seem incredible long to you, but this
is in fact the original way of nature. Remember, your early mammal
ancestors developed together with dinosaurs and they survived the bomb
like us. They evolved slowly during the next millions of years and
they divided into various species and shapes, some of them larger,
some of them smaller. This is evolution of the body. But what about
their mind and intelligence? They were simple animals. The mammals
evolved since —let us say— 150 millions of years, but only in the last
2 - 3 millions of years they were able to became intelligent and
thinking. And within this small period beings like you were created.
From nature? 148 millions of year’s time for the evolution of animal-
like mammals, 2 millions of year’s time for the development of (more
or less) intelligent beings like you? Ask yourself: Do you really
think this accelerated evolution is natural? Then your species is more
ignorant than I’ve thought. We have not evolved wrong but you.

Question: I understand. But I have another question. You’ve mentioned
many facts about the ancient war between the aliens 65 million years
ago. This happened very long before your kind became really
intelligent (as far as I have understood you). Why do you know so many
things about that "first war" and about the evolution of your species?

Answer: This is a good question (much better than the previous) and I
have not explained it properly to you. Our knowledge about the first
war comes completely from an ancient artifact, which was found around
16,000 years ago from our archeologists on the continent you call
North America today. They found there a round plate with a diameter of
approximately 47 of your centimeters. The plate was made of an even
for us unknown magnetic material and inside the plate there was
another smaller crystal plate which contained an enormous amount of
information coded in the molecular structure of the crystal. This
"memory plate" was manufactured from the last bomb survivors of human
race from "Procyon" already 65 million years ago but it was completely
intact when we found it. Our scientists were able to encode the
messages and data and so we heard the first time about the events
which took place in the distant past and which led to the extinction
of the dinosaurs. The plate contained detailed descriptions of both
species (but more about the humanoids) and about the events and
weapons, including the fusion bomb. It contained also a description of
the animals and saurians on earth, including our pre-intelligent
ancestor species. The rest of our knowledge about our evolution comes
from skeletons and from the back-reading and de/encoding of our DNA.
You see, we know the real truth about our roots since 16,000 years.
Before that time, there was a more religious idea of our creation.

Question: What have happened with the both alien species?

Answer: We don’t know exactly. The surviving humanoids on earth
obviously died in the years after the bomb and others of their kind
and the reptilians never came back to Earth (as far as we know).
Concerning the reptilian aliens, there is a possibility that it was
physically impossible for them to return, because the matter between
bubbles is sometimes in rapid movement. The current theory is, that
both species had ceased to exist during the millions of years.

Question: You’ve mentioned skeletons of your kind. How can it be, that
human scientists haven’t found any trace of you and your ancestors if
you really live for such a long time on this planet? We have found
many skeletons of primitive dinosaurs, but none of an advanced
reptilian being with a larger skull and brain and a hand with a thumb
as you have described it before.

Answer: Yes, you have. But your "great" scientists were not able to
reconstruct the skeletons completely, because they wanted to
reconstruct reptilian animals, not intelligent beings. You would laugh
if you would know how many of the (especially small) saurian skeletons
in your museums are totally wrong constructions of never-existing
beings, because you used many bones which didn’t really belong
together and sometimes you made artificial bones if something was
missing you needed to construct an "animal" saurian. Many of your
scientists are aware of this problem, but they don’t make it public,
because they can’t explain it and they claim, that the right bones
were just missing and their reconstruction is right. Many bones of us
were used for Iguanodon reconstructions, for example the hands with
the visible thumb (look at an Iguanodon in a museum and you will see
that I’m right.) A scientist in the country you call United States had
built a nearly correct skeleton of our kind some years ago, but the
local government (which is partly aware of our existence) confiscated
the reconstruction. As we live today (and since thousands of years)
nearly completely beneath the earth, you will not find any cadavers or
skeletons of us.

Question: You speak sometimes about underground cities and artificial
sunlight. Do you mean something like a "hollow Earth" with this? Is
there a second sun inside our planet?

Answer: No, Earth is not really completely hollow and there is no
second sun inside. This story is ridiculous and physically not
possible (even your species should be intelligent enough not to
believe this.) Do you know how much mass a sun must have to produce
energy and light for a longer time by fusion? Do you really think that
there could be a small active sun inside the planet? When I talk about
our subterranean home, I talk about large cave systems. The caves you
have discovered near to the surface are tiny in comparison to real
caves and huge caverns deeper in the earth (in a depth of 2,000 to
8,000 of your meters, but connected with many hidden tunnels to the
surface or to surface-near caves) and we live in large and advanced
cities and colonies inside such caves. Major sites of us are beyond
the Arctic, the Antarctic, Inner Asia, North America and Australia. If
I talk about artificial sunlight in our cities I don’t mean a real sun
but various technological sources of light (including gravitational
sources) which illuminates the caverns and tunnels. There are special
cave areas and tunnels with a strong UV light in every city and we use
that places to heat our blood. Furthermore, we have also some surface
sun places in remote areas, especially in America and Australia.

Question: Where can we find such a surface-near entry to your world?

Answer: Do you really think I will tell you their exact location? If
you want to find such an entry, you have to search it by yourself (but
I would advise you not to do that.) When I came to the surface four
days ago, I used an entry approximately 300 of your kilometers north
from here near to a large lake, but I doubt that you would be able to
find it (there are only a few entries in this part of the world - more
are far more north and east.) As a little advice: if you are in a
narrow cave or in a tunnel or even in something that looks to you like
an artificial mine shaft and as deeper you walk as smoother appear the
walls and if you feel unusual warm air streaming from the depth or if
you hear the rushing sound of streaming air in a ventilation or
elevator shaft, then look for a special kind of artificial and smooth
wall somewhere in the cave with a door made of gray metal. If you
would be able to open that door (but I doubt this) you would be in a
usually round technical room with ventilation systems and elevators to
the depth. This is probably an entry to our world. If you have reached
this point, you should know that we are now definitely aware of your
presence. You are already in big trouble if you have entered the round
room, but you should look for one of the two reptilian symbols on the
walls. If there are no symbols or other symbols, you are maybe in
bigger trouble as you think, because not every underground
installation belongs to our kind. Some new tunnel systems are operated
from alien races (including hostile races). My general advice if you
find yourself in a, for you, strange underground installation: run
away as fast as you can.

Question: You mentioned earlier that you use the name "Lacerta" when
you are among humans and that you enjoy it to be in the real sun on
the surface of earth. But how can you be among humans? You don’t look
like us, so anyone will see that you belong to another species. Why
have nobody seen and described a being like you if your kind lives
already since our "creation" together with us on the same planet. Can
you explain that to me?

Answer: First, my kind was of course seen and described (and
worshipped) many times in your primitive past, for example in your
religious writings like your Christian Bible. You can find
descriptions and even simple drawings of us for also in the southern
part of the American continent on various temples. So-called "wise"
men from India and from the Asian mountains have described our species
many times in writings, together with other "wise" men from the
African continent. I think we are the most mentioned non-human species
(maybe beside the "Illojim") in your history. If you don’t believe me,
have a look at your history and you will see the truth in my words.
Your "great" scientists called the belief in us "superstition" and
"religion" and today’s "intelligent" humans have forgotten our
presence on the surface in the past.

Furthermore, our species is seen even today sometimes from human
witnesses in its original shape on earth or in our surface-near
entries and tunnel systems, but fortunately you and your media didn’t
take the reports of such "crazies" serious (that’s good for us and
that’s the reason why we allow those people to see us as we really
are.) Some of my species are also in direct contact with human
scientists and politicians from the surface, but this is top-secret —
as you would call it— and nobody of your public knows anything about
it (the matter of these meetings is generally the upcoming war with
and between the alien species and our assistance in this war). But
there is also another explanation, why we can walk among you and why
you are not able to recognize us: mimicry.

The following may again sound unbelievable and even shocking to you,
but as you have asked I will explain it. I have told you before, that
we have more advanced mental abilities than your species and with
"more advanced" I mean, that we are able to use telepathy and
telekinesis from our birth on (in fact, mother and new-born child
communicate generally with telepathy during the first months) without
special training as you need it to activate these sleeping parts of
your brain. The structure of our brain is a little bit different to
yours and our hypothesis is larger and more active than yours -
especially when we are in sunlight. Our own abilities are very strong
in comparison to yours, but weak in comparison to the "matter-string/
bubble" mind forces of some of the alien species on this planet. I was
never very good in that mind things, but we all have these primary
abilities and can use them for example for our protection or even for
attack.

When we are on the surface and we meet human beings (even a large
group of them - this makes no difference. All of your minds are like
one mind) we are able to "touch" their mind and induce them via
telepathy the command "See us as one of your kind" and the weak human
mind will accept this order without re-fusion and they will see us
(despite our reptilian look) as normal humans. I’ve done this many
times and you weak humans generally see me as an attractive brown-
haired woman, because I have created this special "mimicry image" in
my mind years ago and I can induce it into your minds without
problems. I’ve needed some time at the beginning to learn the use of
the mimicry correctly, but then it worked nearly automatically and I
can even walk among a group of yours and nobody will recognize what I
am. There is a simple switch ("See us as we really are / See us as we
want you to see us") in your consciousness which was placed there from
the "Illojim" when they created your kind and we can use this switch
to convince you that you see humans when you look at us (other aliens
use this switch, too). It is easier as you think. When there are
meetings between your kind and aliens which seem to look exactly like
yours, these aliens have used that switch and some of the meetings
with man-like aliens can be also explained with meetings with my
kind.) When I met E.F. the first time, he saw me also as a normal
human woman and I remember that he was very frightened and shocked
when I revealed him my real appearance.

Question: Do you mean, that you can really make me belief that I talk
now with an attractive brown-haired human woman instead of a reptilian
being like you?

Answer: Probably, but I don’t think so in your special case. When
someone expects to see a human woman instead of me, I can do it
without problems with his mind (even with large groups) because nobody
expects to see a reptile woman. But I have allowed your mind to see me
in my original appearance from our first meeting on and I have never
induced something into your mind, so you have already realized that
I’m not human. If I would now try to change this, it would probably
lead to an absolute confusion or to unconsciousness and I don’t want
to harm you. As I have said I’m not very good in these things.

Question: That’s very scary. Can you kill with those abilities?

Answer: Yes, but it’s forbidden. This means not that it was not done
in previous times.

Question: Have both sexes these abilities?

Answer: Yes.

Question: What about photos? How do you appear on photos?

Answer: This is a silly question. I appear on photos as a reptile
being, because I can’t have influence on the photo or on the camera
itself but only on the photographers mind. If he or she would develop
the film and show the photo to others, they would see me in my
original shape. That’s the reason why it is forbidden for our kind to
be filmed or photographed and we must avoid every camera on the
surface (that is very difficult and we were filmed sometimes in the
past without our knowledge, especially from certain of your
governments and secret agencies.)

Question: What other commands can your kind induce into our minds?
Something like "Serve us" or "Obey"?

Answer: This is again a strange question. We are not your enemy (most
of us not) so why should we do this? To answer your question: it
depends on the strength of the human mind and on the strength of the
sending reptilian. There is no "Serve us" or "Serve me" switch in your
mind, so such a command is much more difficult to induce. If the human
mind and consciousness is weak and the reptilian inducer is
experienced in these things and was some hours in the sun before he or
she tries to do it, then it could probably work for a certain time.
There are secret teachings about such things, but I’ve never learned
anything about it. I use my primary abilities for mimicry and for
communication with my own kind and sometimes for other private things,
but I’ve never used it to harm humans or their mind. I would
appreciate it if we can end with this topic here.

Question: A last question: you’ve said earlier, that you can hide your
UFOs? Do you use the same abilities to do this?

Answer: Yes, but on a technical base. There is a powerful device
inside each craft which is able to send an artificial signal to your
minds to convince you, that you see either nothing but only the sky or
that you see normal aircraft like planes instead of our ships. This
isn’t used very often, because we avoid human public when we move in
the atmosphere. If you are able to see our "UFOs" it means that the
device is either defect or deactivated for some reason. The camouflage
effect didn’t work on photos - to answer this possible question of you
already in advance - but why should someone make a photo of the sky
when he could not see anything unusual there. By the way, most of the
surface-near entry points to our tunnels are also hidden with such a
device and your kind will generally see only normal cave walls instead
of the door. That’s one reason why I’ve said that I doubt that you
will be able to find such a secret door to our world (but it have
happened a few times in the past.)

Question: Back to your and our own history. You’ve mentioned the race
of the "Illojim" who have created our human race. From where did they
come and how did they look like? What had exactly happened when they
arrived? Are they our "God"?

Answer: The "Illojim" came from this universe, from the solar system
you call "Aldebaran" in your maps. They were a very tall humanoid
species whit usually blonde hairs and a very white skin (they avoided
the sunlight, because it hurt their skin and their eyes. This was
absolutely unbelievable for a sun-loving species like us). They seemed
to be intelligent and peaceful at the beginning and we started a more
or less friendly communication with them, but later they showed their
real intentions and plans: they wanted to evolve the apes to a new
breed and we were a disturbing factor for them on their new zoo
planet. At first, they caught around 10,000 or maybe even 20,000 of
your simian ancestors and they left the planet for some hundred years.
When they returned, they brought your (now more human) ancestors back.
Then they left Earth again for some thousands of years and the
primitive pre-humans lived together with us without major problems
(they were just afraid of our aircraft and technology). The "Illojim"
had taught their mind and enhanced their brain and their body
structure and they were now able to use tools and fire. The "Illojim"
returned within 23,000 years seven times and accelerated the evolution
speed of certain of your kind. You must understand that you are not
the first human civilization on the planet. The first advanced humans
(who lived at the same time with less-developed pre-humans, because
the "Illojim" had experimented with different speeds and stages of
evolution) with technology and speech existed around 700,000 years ago
on this planet (your scientists have not understand this, because
they’ve found only the bones of the pre-humans and some primitive cave
drawings showing advanced humans and flying devices.) This genetically
advanced human breed lived together with us, but they avoided contact
with my kind, because the "Illojim" teachers had warned them with
misleading purpose that we are evil beings and that we lie to them.

Well, after some centuries the aliens decided to extinct their first
creation and they accelerated the evolution of a second and better
test series and so on and so on. The truth is that your modern human
civilization is not the first on this planet Earth but already the
seventh. The buildings of the first breeds are lost, but the fifth
civilization was the one, which built the large triangular
constructions you call "Egyptian Pyramids" today around 75,000 years
ago (your Egyptians just found that large ancient pyramids in the sand
and tried not very successful to built similar constructions) and the
sixth civilization was the one, which built the cities which ruins you
can find today beneath the sea in the so-called Bimini Area around
16,000 years ago. The last creation of the seventh breed - of your
series - was done just 8,500 years ago and this is the only creation
you can remember and to which your religious writings refer. You rely
on archeological and paleonthological artifacts which show you a wrong
and short past, but how should you know anything about the six
civilizations before. And if you find evidence for their existence,
you deny and misinterpret the facts. This is partly a programming of
your mind and partly pure ignorance. I will tell you in the following
only about your creations, because the six previous mankinds are lost
and therefore they should not concern you.

There was a long war between us and the "Illojim" and also between
certain groups of the "Illojim" themselves, because many of them were
the opinion that the again-and-again creation of human species on this
planet makes no real sense. The last battles in this war were fought
around 5,000 years ago in orbit and surface. The aliens used powerful
sonic weapons to destroy our underground cities but on the other hand
we were able to destroy many of their surface installations and bases
in space. The humans of your series were very frightened when they
observed our battles and they wrote it down in form of religious myths
(their mind was not able to understand what was really going on.) The
"Illojim" - who appeared as "gods" for the sixth and seventh breed -
told them that it is a war between good and evil and that they are the
good and we are the evil race. This depends certainly on the point of
view. It was our planet before they arrived and before they started
their evolution project with your kind. In my opinion, it was our
right to fight for our planet. It was exactly 4,943 years ago -
according to your time scale - that the Illojim left the planet again
for unknown reasons (this is a very important date for us, because
many of our historians called it a victory.) Fact is that we don’t
know what had really happened. The "Illojim" were gone from one day to
another, they vanished without a trace together with their ships and
we found most of their surface installations destroyed by them. The
humans were on their own and your civilization developed. Many of us
were in contact with certain (more southern) tribes of your species in
the coming centuries and we were able to convince some of them that we
are not the "Evil" the aliens wanted them to believe. During the time
from 4,900 years ago to today, many other alien species arrived the
planet (some of them used the old teaching and programming of your
mind and "played" again God for you) but the "Illojim" themselves
never came back. They had left the planet for a duration of some
thousand years also earlier, so we expect their return one day in
future to end their project or to maybe extinct also the seventh
breed, but we don’t really know what have happened to them (to answer
this question of you in advance).

Your current civilization doesn’t know anything about your real
origin, about your real past, about your real world and universe and
you know very little about us and our past. And you know nothing about
the things to come in near future. As long as you will not understand
and believe my words - I tell you the truth because we are not your
enemy - as long there is danger for your species. Your enemies are
already here and you have not understood. Open your eyes or you will
be in big trouble soon. If you haven’t believed anything of the things
I’ve told you before, then you should really believe and remember
this.

Question: Why do you think I don’t believe you?

Answer: I have a certain feeling that you don’t believe me, despite
the fact that I’m sitting here in front of you. Everything I have told
you in the last two hours is the absolute truth about our world.

Question: How many alien species are active on earth at the moment?

Answer: As far as we know 14 species. 11 from this universe, 2 from
another "bubble" and 1 very advanced from a very different plain.
Don’t ask me for names, because nearly all are not pronounceable for
you, eight of them are not pronounceable even for us. Most of the
species - especially the more advanced - are just studying you as
animals and they are not very dangerous for you and for us and we work
together with some of them, but three species are hostile, including
the one which was in contact with some of your governments and
exchanged their technology for copper and other important things and
which had betrayed your kind. There was and is a "cold war" between
two of these hostile races during the last 73 years and the third
species seemed to be the "winner" in this useless struggle. We expect
a more "hot" war between them and you in the near future (I would say
in the next 10 or 20 years) and we are worried about that development.
In the last time, there were some rumors about a new, fifteenth
species which had arrived on Earth just 3 or 4 years ago, but we don’t
know anything about their intentions and we were not in contact with
them till now. Maybe the rumors are wrong.

Question: What do the hostile alien races want?

Answer: Various raw materials, including copper for their technology,
your water (or better the hydrogen in your water, which is a source of
energy in advanced fusion processes) and certain chemical elements in
your air. Furthermore, two of the species are also interested in your
body, in your human tissue and blood, because their own genetic
structure is defect through bad evolution and radiation (as far as we
know) and they need intact strings from your kind and from animals to
repair their own genetic again and again, but they are not really able
to repair the defects completely because their DNA and your DNA is not
fully compatible (my own species is absolutely incompatible with them,
so they are not very interested in us) and they try to make more
compatible crossbreeds between you and them by use of artificial
fertilizations and artificial wombs. We suppose that the coming war
between the three races or between you and one or all of them will be
fought for raw material, hydrogen, air and DNA.

Question: Is this the reason for the "abductions"?

Answer: Partly, especially when the aliens took egg and sperm samples
from you. Sometimes the abductors belong to another and more advanced
race and they just want to study your body and your mind (which is
more interesting for some of them than your solid body) as you would
study a primitive animal. As I have said, three alien species are
hostile and this means that they do not care for your fate or for your
life and people who were "abducted" by them came very rarely back
alive. If someone is able to report about an abduction, it means in my
opinion that he or she has not met one of the aggressive species or
that he or she is a very, very lucky human to be alive. Advanced and
"friendly" races also took sometimes egg and sperm samples, but for
other reasons.

Question: You’ve said there are only 14 species active on earth. But
why describe people who saw alien beings so many different and bizarre
types of them?

Answer: I think I have already answered to this question. As I have
said, most of the alien races have much more advanced mind abilities
than you or even me (there is just one alien race completely without
such abilities). They are able to appear in your mind and memory as
whatever they want and this induced "image" has nothing to do with
their real appearance. You remember them as normal humans or grey
dwarfs or even extremely bizarre animals because they want you to
remember that or sometimes they want you to completely forget anything
about a meeting with them. Another example: you can for example
remember that you were just in a normal of your human hospitals and
that some doctors were examining you and you think not further about
what have happened to you (maybe till you discover that there is no
hospital in the street were you supposed it) but in fact you were
examined by them in one of their laboratories. You can’t rely on your
mind in this case. They appear in different shapes to you to confuse
you and to make so-called abduction witnesses who were able to
remember the events - or who believe they are able to remember -
ridiculous in the public and as far as we know, they are successful.
Believe me, there are only 14 alien species on this planet and only
eight of them abduct humans at the moment (again as far as we know.)
In addition, not everyone of your "abductees" is one and some of the
aliens in their reports are really just imagination or lies.

Answer: How can we protect us against this influence on our mind?

Question: I don’t know. I doubt you can, because your mind is like an
open book to read and write for nearly every species I know. This is
partly the guilty of the "Illojim" themselves, because they had
constructed or better mis-constructed (partly intentionally) your mind
and your consciousness without real protection mechanisms. If you are
aware that someone tries to manipulate your mind, you can only
concentrate on that suspicion and try to analyze every one of your
thoughts and memories. Very important: don’t close your eyes (this
would lead to a different form of brain waves which are more easy to
access) and don’t sit or lay down to rest. If you stay awake during
the first minutes, you can maybe try to filter the other thoughts and
waves in your brain and the inducer will give up after some minutes if
he or she is not successful because it will start to hurt his or her
own brain. This is very difficult and certainly painful and it can
harm you, so better don’t try to resist but it would be the only
possibility you have. However, you can try this only with the more
weaker species, not with the strong.

Question: What do you mean with "one species comes from a very
different plain"?

Answer: Before I can explain that correctly to you, you must be able
to understand the universe and this would mean a maybe useless
teaching of your mind (including the remove of some barriers) of many
weeks and with teaching I mean not only teaching by words. I have said
this with your word "plain" or "level" because you have again no
better word in your vocabulary and dimension would be in this case
absolutely wrong (it’s rather wrong even for another "bubble") because
a dimension can’t exist without plains. If you would be a species
living in another or over the plain and if you would be furthermore
able to enter plains without technology so that your body is not made
of that kind of matter you know, then you would be the mightiest being
you can imagine. This very advanced race I’ve mentioned had developed
outside of here and they’ve evolved in fact over billions of years.
They would be able to destroy all of you and us and everything with
just a single thought. We were in contact with them only 3 times in
our whole history, because their interest in your planet is different
from that of all other races. They are definitely no danger for you or
us.

Question: What will happen when the war begins?

Answer: This is difficult to answer. It depends on the enemy race and
on their tactic. "War" is not always that primitive thing you humans
mean with the word, "War" can be fought on various levels. One
possibility they have is the "destruction" of your social system by
influence on political leaders, another is the use of advanced weapon
systems which can cause earthquakes or volcanic eruptions or other
disasters (including weather disasters) which may seem natural to you.
The special fields from copper-fusion I’ve mentioned earlier are able
to have an influence on your global weather. I think they will not
attack the planet directly before the human civilization is weak,
because even you have possibilities to destroy their craft (but not
many.) Let me say, that we are not absolutely sure if there will be
really such a "hot" war already in the next years. I don’t want to
talk further about this.

Question: This is the end of the interview. Do you want to say a last
sentence or message?

Answer: Open your eyes and see. Don’t believe only in your wrong
history or your scientists or your politicians. Some of them know the
truth about various things, but they don’t inform the public to avoid
confusion and panic. I think your species is not as bad as some of my
kind thinks and it would be a pity to observe your end. That’s
everything I can say. Go through your world with open eyes and you
will see - or maybe not. Your kind is ignorant.

Question: Do you think anyone will believe that this interview is the
truth?

Answer: No, but it is an interesting experiment for my social studies.
We will meet again in some months and you will tell me then what have
happened after the publication of my message. Maybe there is hope for
your kind.

[sony-wongso]

The Lacerta File II

Translation by Doug Parrish. Taken from http://www.sabon.org/reptiloid/index4.html
.

Introduction

I once again reaffirm that the following text is the absolute truth
and is not fiction. It was composed from three original tape
recordings which were made on April 24, 2000 with a tape recorder
during my second interview with the reptilian creature known as
"Lacerta". At Lacerta's request, the original text of 31 pages was
revised and shortened up to deal with some questions and answers. Some
existing questions were partially shortened or amended. It was even
undertaken to extract message and significance from it. This part of
the interview, either not mentioned or not mentioned completely in the
transcript, deals primarily with personal issues, paranormal
demonstrations, the social system of the reptilian species and alien
technology and physics.

The reason for the shifting of the date and time of the second meeting
was a possible observation and surveillance of my own person after the
publication of the first transcript. Although everything was attempted
on the advice of Lacerta to keep my identity a secret, just two days
after the dissemination of the document abroad, and various unusual
events took place. Please don't think that I am paranoid; however, I
believe that the publication of the interview has drawn either
official attention or the attention of some organization to me. Up
until this time, I usually regarded people who believed that they were
being followed by the state to be nothing more than jokers. But now I
have begun to revise my ideas on that since events in January. It
began with a failure of my telephone for several hours. When the phone
became operational once again, there were quiet echoes and strange
clicking and whirring sounds when I made calls. A defect could
(ostensibly) not be found anywhere. Overnight, important data
disappeared from the hard drive in my computer. The testing program
reported "defective sectors" where strangely enough there were only
data which dealt with illustrations and completed textual material
from the interview. These "defective sectors" also contained material
of a paranormal nature in the field of my research. (Fortunately, the
material was also stored on floppies.) In addition I discovered by
pure chance some hidden data in a likewise hidden directory index. The
name which appeared on the data and the directory index was "E72UJ." A
friend, who is a computer expert, could not make anything of this
designation, and when I was about to show it to him, the directory
index had disappeared. One evening, my apartment door was standing
wide open, my TV set was running —and I am absolutely confident that I
had turned the TV set off.

A minivan with British markings and the imprint of a Europe-wide
supermarket chain parked in front of my house. I noticed the same
minivan again on several occasions traveling at a distance behind my
car, even when I visited the town of ...... 65 kilometers away. When I
returned, the car was on the other side of the street once again. I
never saw anyone get into or out of the car. A knock on the door of
the vehicle and on the tinted windows caused no reaction of any kind.
After about two weeks, the minivan disappeared again. When I informed
E.F. personally about these events, he suggested that I change the
place and date of the meeting in order to assure our own and Lacerta's
safety. The meeting took place on April 27, 2000 in another isolated
location. It was unobserved as far as I can determine.

Once again, all of this may sound strange and paranoid, like a fantasy
from a cheap science fiction film; however, I can only repeat to and
assure the reader once again: all of this is the unadulterated truth.
Believe my words or don't believe them. These things have happened and
they will continue to happen, whether you believe it or not. Until it
is too late. Our civilization is in danger.

Ole. K. – May 3, 2000

Transcript of the Interview (Shortened Version)

Date of Interview: April 27, 2000

[Comment by Ole. K.: The meeting began with an appraisal of diverse
questions and opinions which I had gotten from readers of the first
transcript in anonymous fashion through distribution from my
trustworthy friends. Some of these opinions—all together there were
over 14 pages of paper—contained comments shaped by everything from a
radically religious to a fanatical tendency to welcome contact with a
reptilian species. Some of these comments contained stereotypical
phrases like "Servants of Hell" or "Species of the Evil One". I don't
want to go into any kind of detailed description here since I don't
want pass on further any false and radical realm of thought.]

Question: When you read these religious and animosity-ridden comments
here, what do you think and feel then? Is the relationship between
your species and ours really shaped from that kind of total negation?

Answer: Does it amaze you that I am not completely angered by that? I
had fully expected those kinds of extreme reactions. The programming
for the utter negation of another species (especially the reptilian
species) as in your own case is deeply embedded in each of your own
individual consciousnesses. This ancient conditioning stems from the
days of your third artificial creation and, biologically speaking, is
passed down as an information genome from generation to generation.
The identification of my species with the powers of darkness was a
primary intention of the Illojim, who liked seeing themselves in the
role of the powers of light —something which in and of itself
represents a paradox, since that humanoid species was extremely
sensitive to your sunlight. In case you were expecting me to act
offended, I guess I'll have to partially disappoint you. These obscure
intentions are not really your fault; you are simply following for the
most part what you have inherited from your ancestors. It is indeed
actually somewhat disappointing that many of you develop no especially
strong individual self-conscience, for this would help you to overcome
the conditioning. As I already said, we were in direct contact in the
last several centuries with some of your more primitive human tribes;
these tribes had themselves succeeded in breaking through the old
"creation programming;" they were able to meet us without tension,
hate and total rejection. Apparently many of your modern civilized
individuals are not in a position to think on their own, but rather
let themselves be guided by programming and religion (which is also a
manifestation of that ancient programming and part and parcel of the
plan of the Illojim). Therefore, comments of that kind I'd sooner
regard as amusing than irritating; they simply confirm in large
measure for me my suppositions about your defined mode of thinking.

Question: Therefore, you are not the "Species of the Evil One" as was
remarked earlier?

Answer: How am I supposed to answer that? Your people still think
according to a simple and completely inappropriate scheme of
generalizations. Simply put, there are absolutely NO purely evil
species. There exist in every terrestrial and extraterrestrial species
alike both good and evil individuals; it's even true of your own
people; but there is NO such thing as an absolutely evil species. This
conception is really very primitive. You people have believed from
time immemorial what you are supposed to believe—what was foreseen for
you to believe by your creators. Every well-known species, even the
more highly developed ones, consists of a great number of individual
consciousnesses (at least a portion of the consciousness is
individual, even though there are connecting fields of consciousness);
these self-sufficient spirits are able to decide freely for themselves
a lifestyle which is either good or evil, according to your own human
standards. It depends again on the respective point of view; your
people are not necessarily in a position to judge whether the deeds of
a much more highly developed species are good or evil, because you
stand at a lower observation point, from which an assessment is not
possible. Your simple words "good" and "evil" are in any case examples
of a tendency towards generalization; in my language there are many
concepts for the various shades of meaning of individual behaviors in
comparison to the norms of a society.

Even those extraterrestrial species which are inclined to act with
antagonism towards you are not "Species of the Evil One," even though
they operate negatively with respect to your own race. They do this
for their own reasons and do not regard themselves as evil; were your
structured way of thinking more linear and more focused as theirs is,
then you would also behave in such a fashion. The attitude of a
species towards other kinds of existence naturally depends very
heavily on its respective structured way of thinking; each species
sets its own priorities. To classify that as "good" or "evil" is
really quite primitive, for the survival of any species argues for
many varieties, among them your own, as well as for even the most
varied of the worst or negatively-directed deeds. I won't even exclude
my own kind in this regard, for there have been certain occurrences in
the past which I don't personally welcome, but about which I would
also not like to go into detail. None of these occurrences have
happened in the last 200 years of your time scale. But please note the
following: there are NO absolutely good and there are NO absolutely
bad species, because each and every species always consists of
individuals.

Question: In the letters that I got, there was often the question,
whether you could go into any greater detail regarding the advanced
physics that you commented on last time. Many people said, your words
made no sense. For example, how do UFOs function, how do they fly, how
do they perform the maneuvers that they do?

Answer: I ought to explain that to people? That's not all that simple.
Let me think about it for a minute. I always have to use very simple
words in order to make clear to you the basic principles of a higher
kind of science. Let's try this: You have to be clear about some
fundamental facts. The very first thing is that you must divide up the
conception of the physical world because each existence consists of
different layers; let's say for simplicity's sake that it consists of
a material illusion and a sphere of influence. {TRANSLATOR'S NOTE: No
legitimate translation exists for this word 'Feldraum'; "Feld" means
"field," "Raum" means "space, room, expanse." Therefore, I'm
translating it as "sphere of influence."} Certain physical conditions
are associated only with the realm of the material {as in 'concrete'},
while other and more complicated conditions are associated only with
the sphere of influence of the material world. Your conception of the
physical world is based upon a simple material illusion. That illusion
is further subdivided into three elementary or basic conditions of
matter. A fourth and very important condition also exists, which you
simply pay attention to more or less as you choose; it is the one
bordering on the sphere of influence or plasma realm. For you, the
theory for a controlled transformation or an elevation of the
frequency of matter and the stable existence of this fourth aggregate
condition of matter is not very common, or it exists at a very
primitive level. (As an aside, there are simply five states of matter,
but the post-plasma state would really be going too far and it would
only serve to confuse you. Besides, it is not necessary for an
understanding of the basic theory; it is connected with diverse
phenomena which you would characterize as paranormal.) Now, back to
the essentials: Plasma...now, with plasma I don't mean just "hot gas"—
as the concept is generally simplified by your people—but rather I
mean a higher aggregate condition of matter. The plasma state of
matter is a special form of matter which lies between its real
existence and the sphere of influence, that is, a complete loss of
mass and pure accretion of energy of various form whenever matter is
"pushed or shoved." {NOTE: No explanation was given for the use of the
word "pushed, shoved" as used in this context. Your guess is as good
mine.}

The fourth state of matter is very important for certain physical
conditions which can be used for example to...how should I express
this to you...generate antigravity. (That's a rather strange human
word and not really correct, but you ought to understand it better
this way.) Essentially, in the world of real physics, there are no
bipolar forces, but rather only "observer dependent reflective
behavior" of a single, large unified force at different levels. With
antigravity or the displacement of gravitational characteristics into
levels, one can, for example, cause apparently solid matter to
levitate; this method is employed partly by us and by
extraterrestrials as well as a means of propulsion for their UFOs. You
people are moving on a really primitive level towards a similar
principle for your secret military projects, but since you have more
or less stolen this technology (and it was later falsely passed on to
you intentionally by the extraterrestrials), you lack the real
physical understanding; as a result, you have to struggle with
problems of instability and radiation with your "UFOs". According to
my information, there have been a great number of deaths of your
people because of intense radiation and field disturbances. Don't you
agree, this is also an example of the business regarding the question
of "good" and "evil"? You people play with unknown forces and thereby
accept the death of colleagues of your own kind, for they are dying
for a greater cause, namely, for the advancement of your technology,
which as a result is being put into place once again for the purpose
of war, i.e., for negative pursuits. Now, one can give you the benefit
of the doubt, that only the least number of your kind have any
knowledge about these alien projects which are —as you explain it— top
secret. It was told to you that the higher the ordinal or ranking
number of basic matter, the simpler the heightening of the condition,
but that is only partially correct. If you can't circumvent these
powers, then you're better off not attempting it. But your kind has
always been ignorant and has from time immemorial tried to play around
with forces which you have not even understood. Why would that ever
change?

You remember this business of copper fusion? By means of the
fluctuation at the right angle with the induced radiation field,
copper is fused with other elements. (The illusion of matter is fused,
the fields in the sphere of influence overlap each other, but the main
force would be reflected by that process and would assume a quasi-
bipolar character.) The resulting connection and the field would
therefore not be stable in the normal condition of matter and unsuited
for tasks. As a result, the entire field spectrum is shifted to a
higher plasma-like condition, whereby the spectrum comes together with
this harsh shifting to the opposite pole side —the word is NOT correct
— of the force field and it resembles quite closely a gravitational
shift. This shifting causes a "tilting" of the repulsing quasi-bipolar
force, which now no longer flows to the interior of the force field,
but rather flows partly to the exterior of the field. The result is an
inter-stratifying reflective force field which is very difficult to
modulate within certain technical boundaries in relation to its own
characteristics. It can also carry out a multiplicity of tasks, as for
example, causing massive flying objects to be levitated and
maneuvered. It can also exert a camouflage function in the realm of
electromagnetic radiation as well as manipulate temporal sequences of
events—indeed only to very limited extent—and other things as well.
Are you familiar with your "quantum tunnel effect"? Even the amplitude
equalizations among genuine matter can be achieved with one of those
kinds of fields if the frequency and the distance from the plane of
the field are high enough. Unfortunately, the whole thing that I have
explained to you in your words has come out to be rather primitive,
I'm afraid. It sounds rather strange and certainly impossible for your
comprehension, but perhaps this simple explanation can be of some use
to you in helping you to understand. But then again, maybe not.

Question: Is there a scientific substantiation for paranormal powers,
as for example with your powers of thought?

Answer: Yes. In order to explain that, one has to acknowledge the
physical reality of the sphere of influence {Feldraum}. I'll try to do
it...wait just a second...you are going to have to separate yourself
mentally from the illusion that that which you see is the true nature
of the universe. It is, at best, the surface of a side. Imagine for
yourself that all the matter here —you, this table, this pencil, this
technical device, this paper— does not really exist, but that it is
rather only the result of a field oscillation and a concentration of
energy. All matter that you see, every creature, every planet and star
in this universe, has an "information-energy equivalent" in the sphere
of influence which is located on a main field —the general level {of
things}. Now, there is not only one level, but several. Last time, I
had mentioned that highly-developed species which is capable of
changing levels (which is something completely different from the
simple bubble changing, for bubbles are a part of each and every
level). Do you understand? Dimensions, as you call them, are a part of
a solitary bubble, bubbles or universal foam are a part of a level,
and levels are layers in the sphere of influence, while the sphere of
influence, acting in the capacity of single physical size, is
essentially unending; it is composed of innumerable information-energy
layers and general levels. There are in the sphere of influence no
null-levels; all are the same, but they are separated by means of
their energy conditions. I notice that I am confusing you now. I think
I ought to stop with this explanation.

Question: No, please continue. How do concrete paranormal powers
arise?

Answer: Well, OK then. Let's try something simpler. Again, it is not
completely correct, but let's begin in this manner: Tangible matter on
this side is mirrored in the sphere of influence {Feldraum} as a field
with distinct layers. These layers contain information, as an example,
about the simple structure of matter or the string frequency, but also
there is stored information stemming from the development of matter.
Are you familiar with the human concept of "morphogenetic fields?" One
part of the layer could be designated as such. Now there is still
another intermediary layer for which you unfortunately have no human
concept, since the theory is not common in human thinking. Let's call
it a "para-layer," for this layer is mainly responsible for everything
which you call PSI and paranormal and which lies outside the
boundaries of your primitive science. This para-layer lies between the
layers of matter and the morphogenetic layers of a field in the sphere
of influence. It can actively integrate with both. Your body, for
example, is mirrored as a field in the sphere of influence {Feldraum}.
That doesn't mean that it does not also exist here as well —as flesh,
blood, bones— in the form of matter strings or atoms, but not only
that. Existence is always a duality. Some layers of the field contain
simple information about the solid matter of your body and its
frequency, while other layers {contain information about} your spirit,
your consciousness or, speaking from a human-religious point of view,
your soul. Awareness or consciousness in this case is a simple energy
matrix, divided into different layers of your field in the sphere of
influence —nothing more, nothing less. Genuine awareness can also
exist here on the matter side, but only in the form of post-plasma
{the fifth form of matter}. With the necessary physical knowledge and
the corresponding technology, the consciousness/awareness matrix, or
soul, can also be separated from its field of rest. It can, despite
its removal, continue to exist in a self-sufficient manner for a
certain amount of time. That has the strange occult name of "soul
robbing." But above all, we're talking about science here, not about
magic or dark forces.

[Comment by Ole. K.: The "soul robbing" was mentioned in one of the
radical, religiously-motivated comments in connection with the
reptilian species.]

But back to your Question: Creatures with more powerful mental powers
can have a direct influence on the para-layer by means of their
consciousness/awareness fields. Now this layer is not limited only to
the individual, but rather as a part of a general information layer —
you could call it in a prosaic sense the community soul— that is
connected with all animate and inanimate matter and all consciousness
which exist on this main level. The biological cause for these
abilities lies on the side of matter, by the way, in the pituitary
gland, which always is in the position to generate the frequencies to
actively control the sphere of influence {Feldraum}. Even you people
could theoretically do this; however, you are solidly blocked in these
things. As I have said, the para-layer can interact with mind as well
as with matter. For example, if I decide to use my mental powers once
more in order to move this pencil, then, simply said, I imagine in my
mind how my consciousness/awareness expands/amplifies itself on the
matter side in the form of post-plasma to the pencil. In the sphere of
influence this causes simultaneously an automatic command from the
consciousness/awareness layer to the para-layer to interact with the
matter layer of the pencil. Since the para-layer is not confined to
the body, it is not even a problem that the pencil lies over there,
for I can unerringly reach it, even without moving my matter body.
Post-Plasma on this side, para-layer on the other. I have control over
the pencil and the interaction brings the matter field of the pencil
to the point where it changes in the manner in which it moves, for
example.

[Comment by Ole K.: I certify that the pencil mentioned above abruptly
at that very moment jumped into the air to a height of 20 cm and then
fell back to the surface of the table. The sound is clearly heard on
the recording tape. No one visibly had touched that pencil.]

Question: That is fascinating. Which kinds of paranormal activities
can one generate with that?

Answer: All kinds. Everything that you call paranormal. As I said,
this special layer lies in the sphere of influence {Feldraum} between
the morphogenetic information layers and the matter layers and can
interact with respect to both sides. That is to say, it can be
interacted with solid matter as well as with mind or mental
information, wherewith we can achieve everything that is generally
designated as telekinesis and telepathy. The "connection absorption"
with another consciousness/awareness is generally separate in the
procedure from the simple influence of matter, since different
consciousness/awareness fields work with different oscillations. A
consciousness/awareness that sends or a consciousness/awareness that
listens must first adapt itself to the other mind exactly, before any
access is possible. Most species also have chances to block the alien
access, but you people don't have this. The following is generally
valid: the stronger the paranormal abilities of a species, the simpler
the adaptation and the access. Our own abilities are not so powerfully
developed; therefore, first we have to learn specifically alien mind
influence in order to use our mimicry, for example—where mimicry is
actually quite simple in your minds due to the implanting of the on/
off switch. Some of these abilities are also partially inherited;
mother and child of my kind as an example are attuned exactly during
the first months of life —partially also in the egg covering in the
expectant mother— and communicate telepathically. In order to
influence you people, we need a certain amount of time for practicing,
despite your simple structure. Therefore, it is forbidden, for
example, for adults of my kind before the "Age of Enlightenment" to
come to the surface of the Earth. (That term is synonymous, along with
other things, with full physical strength.) In the case of not fully
developed abilities, the danger of discovery by you would be too
great. By the way, there are of course numerous secret teachings about
the real possibilities which can give one these abilities, but I
really don't know anything exact about that.

Whenever an alien mind ought to be influenced, then there are some
generally valid steps, which are set into motion by other
extraterrestrial species. First and foremost, the alien oscillation
must be felt, something generally that is done automatically by the
brain, i.e., for the one the field oscillation, for the other the
quasi-electrical brain waves here in the normal space {which matter
inhabits}. That is not especially difficult. After that, one simply
probes for the other consciousness/awareness in the mind with a post-
plasma manifestation, the sphere of influence {Feldraum} reacts and
the connection is there. Now one can read out information from the
first one and record the desired information to the second one in the
correct location. You asked me last time whether you people have the
opportunity to protect yourselves against this influence, and I told
you that only an awake and concentrated mind had any kind of a chance
to withstand it. In this state of mind the oscillations change very
abruptly and access becomes complicated; more precisely, it can come
as a painful recoil. Whenever you close your eyes, then the field
becomes "flat," and alien access {to the mind} is immediately possible
and without restriction. In terms of your chances against a more
highly developed species, you have none at all. They are able to
adjust the oscillations faster than you can change. I could even
demonstrate it on you, but you were really horrified and confused the
last time, so we'll just leave it at an explanation.

This explanation presumably sounds to you like —as you say— something
esoteric or from the occult or magic. The reason for that is simply
that you lack the basic understanding for seeing the background
reasons. All paranormal phenomena have a purely scientific
origination. None of this has anything to do with supernatural powers.
We grow up with this kind of knowledge, we know how one makes use of
these powers, and where they come from. We are acquainted with theory
and practice. You are not. Therefore, you really don't understand what
happens in your world—you see only one side of existence, not the
other (I mean here both that are physical). Everything paranormal is
dualistic, and it exists in the space that matter inhabits as well as
in the sphere of influence {Feldraum}. To be explained...it can only
be explained by the acceptance of the latter, because the sphere of
influence {Feldraum} is the basis. I would welcome an end to the
scientific questions since you really aren't grasping them anyway.
We're wasting more or less valuable time by doing this.

Question: Only one last question. At our first meeting in December,
you made it quite clear that you didn't want to discuss scientific and
paranormal concerns. Why the openness now?

Answer: The last time I saw really no necessity in overburdening you
with facts of that kind (and now you are obviously overburdened).
Therefore, I had preferred only to mention these topics in a
peripheral sense. Apparently, however, some of my performances today
have set you to thinking about your world, something that can't be all
bad. And by the way, your human scientists will tend to regard my
comments as "humbug." And so I see no great danger in spreading this
information widely. No one will pay much attention to it. By the way,
the words of people who have characterized me as a "Creature of Evil"
have their basis in the belief in occult powers and magic —both of
which things DO NOT exist. There is no magic, only highly developed
science, and everything that you label as "magic" is only a part of
science. If you would only comprehend that, then you would be a step
ahead in your development. My openness on this issue ends here. Pose
other questions, please.

Question: Good. Let's talk about UFOs. Can you explain to me how our
governments came into possession of UFO material to the point that
they could start their own projects? Did it have anything to do with
the "Roswell Incident?"

Answer: Yes, but that incident was not the first one. I am no
historian, I am studying only your current behavior, so my knowledge
about those events in your history is presumably not very extensive. I
will try to explain to you what I know about those things which
happened at that time. Let me think about it for a second. In the
years 1946 to 1953 in your time scale, there were five cases where
extraterrestrial ships crashed to the surface of the Earth. In that
crash which you call the "Roswell Incident," there was not only one
alien ship involved, but two that crashed after a collision in
different parts of the land in the west—the one you call the USA. (You
have to know that the ships of this particular species can remain
levitating in the air for a particular period of time even though they
are damaged; that accounts for the spatial difference {in their crash
locations}.) These were indeed not the first crashes, but by that time
the second and the third. Another ship had crashed in 1946, but it was
destroyed beyond usability.

One thing first before the explanation: it certainly sounds ridiculous
to you that such highly developed extraterrestrial ships simply crash,
and that a relatively large number did so in a relatively short amount
of time. The explanation for that is likewise more than strange, but
it is correct. It does not lie in the ship's drive itself, but rather
in the direction of the field to your planet. This species that we are
discussing —and it was always in this time period that this species
used a disk-shaped craft— used a propulsion system which ran according
to the normal principle of fusion, to be sure, but one that at that
time employed a more than unconventional method for field alignment.
This method had various advantages but also disadvantages. The
repelling field must of course lie in the absolute correct angle to
the surface of the Earth. This species used an alignment technology in
their ships, with which the field locked into place all points of the
Earth's magnetic field. Now at that time this species had just arrived
on the earth and their point of origin lay on a planet with a more
stable magnetic field, for which they had developed and aligned their
drive. The magnetic field of the Earth is not really all that stable;
it is subject to cyclical variations and it forms field eddies under
unfavorable conditions. Whenever a ship with one of those kinds of
drives gets into a field fluctuation or into an eddy that is too
strong, then for a short time the repelling field can no longer align
itself correctly and the ship glides uncontrolled on its flight path.
The drive is operating correctly, to be sure, but the field fluctuates
in all directions and because of that, the ship can crash. In the case
from 1947 which you addressed, it is my understanding that one of the
ships got caught in a fluctuation, its field linked up unintentionally
with that of its squadron leader and it collided with another ship
whereby both of them were heavily damaged. The cause for the magnetic
fluctuation at that time was probably an electrical disturbance
brought about by a weather event. Both ships crashed as a result; one
of them fell near the collision point, the other a hundred of your
kilometers or so distant. All occupants were killed in the impact. The
thin hull structure of that kind of disk craft is in and of itself not
very stable, since those disks have not been designed for crashes as
well as for flight in a field where there are exterior forces at work.

Now, your human military collected the individual pieces at first
until they discovered the whole ships with the dead creatures aboard.
Immediately they classified everything as "Top Secret" and brought
them to their military bases in order to analyze the drive. The secret
endeavor was to set the alien technology in place later against evil
enemies of that great country. That is as primitive as it is
ridiculous. I believe I remember—I don't want to specify exactly your
date—that it was probably between 1949 and 1952 that there was a
rather bad accident during some research being done on one of the
wrecks. According to what I heard—what members of my species were told
by members of that government—it resulted in an unintentional
activation of one of the drive's components in the unshielded
condition. As a result, for a very short period of time—how should I
phrase this—there was an unchecked shift of the environment to a
plasma-like condition, which on the other hand, through a very, very
unfortunate accident, caused an overturning of the general power field
into a magnetic pulse of immense power. Do you have any idea what kind
of an effect a plasma-magnetic jolt has, when it comes into contact
with an organism? No, how should you know that. Of course you don't.
Disturbance in the structure of the field and bioelectric feedback.
Imagine, if you will, a human body which is engulfed in bright flames
for 3 or 4 of your days. Those flames apparently do not go out and
they burn the body right down to its last constituents. Well, then you
have an approximate impression of what happened. I think that 20 or 30
of your scientists were killed in that lab.

Two further crashes occurred in 1950 and 1953 in the water catchment
area of the American continent. Those ships were able to be recovered
from the crashes relatively intact. (The one in 1953, as I remember,
even had an intact drive core. It was by means of that device that you
saw for the first time that you had understood the entire concept
fully incorrectly and that you had reconstructed it fully incorrectly.
Even today you still don't have it right.) That species, which had
built the ships in the first place —a species which I, by the way,
count among those who are unfriendly towards you— was naturally
worried about the investigation of their own technology by your kind.
They did not want, however, at that early point in time, to begin
direct conflict with you, and so they chose the diplomatic path and
came into contact with that government during your 1960's. Of course,
they did not divulge the real reasons for their being here —copper,
hydrogen, air— but rather they pretended to be curious "researchers"
and offered to show people the functioning principle of the ships
whereby they would expect in return some "favors." Simple-minded as
you are, you of course agreed to it...and were deceived. You gave them
raw materials, you gave them secured locations for their bases, you
gave them access to your most secret defense data, you gave them
access to your DNA and much more—and all just to quench your greed for
power and information. The alien species of course quickly noticed
that they were dealing with simple-minded creatures, and they gave you
false and inferior information about their technology so that they
receive much more out of the collaboration than your kind do. For
example, they gave you information that the drive can only be
constructed with unstable elements of a higher ranking number, but
they withheld the information that the field drive can be constructed
with various modifications to work as well with stable elements of a
lower periodic number, and generally, that's the way it's done.
Through these half truths they made you dependent on the synthesizing
of high {numbered} elements, and thereby renewed by their own
technology. Their clues to the construction of your "UFOs" were laid
out in such a way that the solution to old problems caused new
problems to arise simultaneously. They never told you the complete
truth, but always built in again and again clever lies, which later
lead to technical problems —and to your dependence on them.

In the last years of your 1970's and your early 1980's, it finally
came down to various events between the alien species and that human
government —I don't want to go into detail here since there is much
that even I am not exactly sure of. The whole thing lay in the context
with some new, or better said, the old technical problems with your
own self-constructed ships whose camouflage and drive partially failed
to function in test flights in the open. Because of that, the function
of secrecy was threatened. Your military and your politicians slowly—
very slowly—came to the conclusion after more than 20 years of this
that they had been deceived by that alien species. Multitudinous
incongruities and the overstepping of bounds of the treaties by both
sides finally led to an altercation between you and the
extraterrestrials, which culminated in the lift-off of three of the
alien aerial objects through a special —how do you say it?— EMP
{electromagnetic pulse} weapon and a military skirmish at one of their
underground installations. As a consequence of these attacks, the
alien species ultimately withdrew from all contact with you and was
understandably more than angered about your kind. Therefore, I count
these extraterrestrials among the three groups who are hostile towards
you, and while the other two are more occupied with their own
business, among them waging a cold war for dominance on your planet,
your old "friends" and partners are preparing to supply themselves
finally with the sole and absolute dominance over raw materials and
human DNA. At the moment it is probably true that they lack some of
the technical possibilities and the large amount of forces which they
need in order to achieve their goals directly. In spite of that, we
are counting on negative actions —possibly ever of a more subtle kind—
against you in the next few years or decades.

Question: Will the other extraterrestrial species undertake nothing
against these war-like actions? Specifically, something ought to be on
Earth for the more highly developed species.

Answer: You're wrong there. Specifically, for the more highly
developed species there is simply at the very least your fate. You are
animals for them. Animals in a very large lab. Understandably, an
alien intervention on your planet would disturb their projects, but I
don't think that they accept a confrontation with other species for
it. Many of them could look for another research planet for themselves
or they could study over a long distance your behavior and your
consciousness/awareness, since crisis situations could have an
attraction for their studies. Whenever you people take a look at an
ant hill, and another person comes along and steps on the ant hill,
what do you do? You go on your way, or you search for another ant hill
or you observe the ants in their crisis condition. But would one of
you —even though he were larger and more powerful than the one who
stepped on the ant hill in the first place— defend the meaningless
ants? No. You have to imagine for yourself the viewpoint of the more
highly advanced creatures. You are the ants. Don't expect any help
from them.

Of course we would also ask for help when it became clear that your
old partners were ganging up on you. Some members of that human
government are fully aware of our existence —also partially owing to
an old religious basis. For example, there is a gigantic partially
underground building in the capital which is totally dedicated to my
species and that also has a direct approach to an elevator shaft and
to an underground system. In this building partial meetings have taken
place and do take place between us and humans. We have passed on
information to you in the last few years; according to what I know, we
will keep ourselves as far away from the conflict as we can. You ought
to learn to solve your own problems yourselves or to become
intelligent enough never to create those kinds of situations. What
will come and who will possibly place themselves on your side, only
time will tell. I really do not want to make any indications about
that.

Question: I have here 5 prints of different UFOs, which claim to show
UFOs. Can you take a look at the pictures and tell me in which of them
actual extraterrestrial aerial craft can be seen?

Answer: I can try it. You pose many questions to me today which even I
cannot answer unequivocally. Don't overestimate my knowledge, I'm no
expert in alien technology and the construction of extraterrestrial
ships. To be sure, there are mostly some technical details and
peculiarities about genuine "UFOs," with whose help one can easily
differentiate them from natural phenomena or human forgeries. You
falsify sometimes the pattern of genuine ships; therefore, it is not
so easy simply with absolute certainty to identify an object. I'll try
it. Show me the photos.

[Comment by Ole K.: She considered the pictures respectively for only
a couple of seconds and then sorted out photos 1, 3 and 5.]

These three pictures here are obvious counterfeits or erroneous
identifications. In the one picture, it certainly seems to me that a
real existing ship of an alien species was adapted for a small model
here. It lacks important characteristics which are tied in with the
technically- and physically-associated field. Generally speaking, a
picture is all the more a fake, the clearer the outline and the colors
are, because a levitating ship is generally hidden in a shifted-field
condition that even distorts the colors or the forms according to
alignment. It might perhaps sound strange, but hazy and spectrally-
shifted photos are sometimes to be interpreted as an indication for a
possibly authenticity. By the way, this object is floating above the
water. If it were a genuine ship, we would have to see in any case
either a trough or a swell on the surface. Since the surface is flat,
it is obviously not a genuine ship. In my opinion, none of these three
pictures show genuine objects in flight or UFOs. Here in this picture
I see above all no artificial object in flight; it seems much more to
deal with only a light reflex in your simple optical cameras. You
really ought to be intelligent enough not to fall for a mix-up like
that. When your general public chases counterfeits and frauds for a
long time, then they will presumably discover too late, what is really
going on in front of them in their atmosphere.

PHOTO 2: Albiosc, France, 1974

This one seems to be genuine, at least it displays the necessary
characteristics. I would assign it at first glance to an alien species
who have been visiting your planet for the last 35 years or so. The
object itself is metallic and disk-shaped; certainly it is distorted
in form and color by means of a field effect. These four white and
very long "processes" on the underside of the ship itself portray a
kind of quasi-gravitational light manipulation, i.e., the universal
force field is being shifted in the direction of a simulated gravity.
Actually, it is not a genuine light (it is mostly not a genuine light
whenever you see illuminating "UFOs") but a special strongly charged
form field which manifests itself in the space that matter inhabits as
a quasi-light. The reason for the activation of this special high-
energy system in an atmosphere is not completely clear to me; it's
possible that it is a kind of investigating or influencing of the
environment. In any case, it is terribly careless of that species to
allow this technology to be photographed by humans. Well, I guess that
most of you just plain don't understand it, and those who do will not
say anything about it to the general public.

PHOTO 4: Petit Rechain, Belgium, 1990

This is in fact a genuine aerial object; it is in no way
extraterrestrial. Triangular aerial objects in flight are simply not
used by alien species, or not in this form, at least. That streamlined
kind of form is a human concept. It is one of your own secret military
projects that you build with the help of immature alien technology —
technology that was handed over to you by the extraterrestrials during
the 1960's and the 1970's. Generally, the form of the hull for a
genuine extraterrestrial ship is of no consequence, for inside the
field itself there are no exterior forces that have any effect there;
in general, the ships have a rounded off form and they are built
without hard edges —as a disk or a cylinder— so that the field can
flow more easily. Your projects decree that along with the alien drive
field there also be a conventional jet engine system; therefore, they
are always triangular and built thus with streamlining in order to be
steerable with this primitive recoil principle.

In the example here the ship glides above all on its genuine field
drive. Do you see the distortion and the quasi-light in the rotating
cylinders? That is an unmistakable indication for the authenticity of
the photo. But why, you might ask, are there 4 cylinders? That's
unusual —even the interval seems to be incorrect. The coloring is very
dark and the interior optical distortion is very noticeable.
Presumably a reconstruction of the original system by your scientists.
Since the alien species has just not given you any more information
since the disagreement, they are rebuilding the systems single-
handedly without actually being able to understand what kind of
dangerous thing they are doing there. This construction does not make
the system better, only more unstable. Both of the forward cylinders
are too close to each other; they will definitely flow into each
other. The color shows me a powerful residual radiation; it was
probably the case that high elements were used again as customary for
the shifting. It is in any case very dangerous to be unshielded in the
vicinity of the field. Did the person who took the photo display any
kind of radiation and burn damage?

Question: I don't know. Where do these military "UFOs" come from? From
the United States?

Answer: Yes. I think generally that's true. From the western
continent.

Question: Why then do they fly over thickly populated areas of Europe?
This photo comes from Belgium. That doesn't make any sense. Can you
explain?

Answer: Why is it that ONLY I am able to explain strange human deeds?
It's possible that these are long-distance tests or tests with the
electromagnetic camouflage systems. The old enemy of the American
nation is on this side of the world, so why shouldn't they test here?
At home they've had enough time to have had their ships crossing back
and forth. Maybe they have aroused too much observation there. With
one of those kinds of unstable field structures —as your photo
indicates— I consider it somewhat improbable that that ship is capable
of making a flight of that length over the ocean. It's possible there
is a test station here on your continent. Unfortunately, I don't know
anything about it.

Question: Many readers of the first transcript have posed the question
how your original contact with E.F. came about. I already know the
story from your narratives, but could you repeat it here once again
for this volume and for the new transcript?

Answer: Of course. Now, the story began about two of your years ago
here in Sweden. I have been strongly interested in your species and
your behavior since my youth; I had already studied your literature at
that time, as well as possible. (Naturally, it is not easy in my
homeland to come into possession of human books, but since my group or
family stands in a higher ranking order, I was able to gather some
material together and sometimes to speak with others of my kind who
have already been in contact with you.) I was really very curious
about your species and as soon as I was allowed to come to the
surface, I attempted to assemble more information immediately; above
all, it was expressly forbidden for me to commence direct contact with
humans because in my position at that time, there existed no necessity
for doing so.

It was in your year 1998, when I was on my way further north from here
in the remote forests in the vicinity of the entrance to my world and
was looking for biological specimens, which we use in order to watch
over environmental pollution and destruction of your flora and fauna
statistically by your own kind. At the time, I was already on the
return path to the entrance—we can even orient ourselves more easily,
by the way, through our senses to the Earth's magnetic field—and
already in the vicinity of the large lake, when much to my surprise I
came across a cabin in the woods. In this cabin I sensed a human
consciousness/awareness. It was E.F. Actually, I had no permission for
contact with another species, but by the same token I had set in place
my mimicry capability quite successfully prior to this—even with
larger groups of you (I had never ever come across a human being when
I was alone). Now, let's call it primitive curiosity; I wanted to talk
with the person in this cabin and so I knocked on the door. E. opened
the door and we got into an interesting conversation. His language was
not quite yet common at that time for me, but it's not all that hard
to learn a new language when one can read the information in the
consciousness/awareness of the opposite individual. I simply told him
that I came from a foreign country in the east. Of course at the time,
he did not really "recognize" who I was; he was totally convinced that
he was talking with a creature of his own kind, although it was simply
only a mimicry image.

Since my assignment anyway had as its goal an investigation of this
terrain which was to last for several days, I visited him in this span
of time three times as a human person. At first we talked mainly about
really ordinary things; later we got into religious and physical
topics. He seemed to be impressed by my knowledge, and I was likewise
impressed with his clear thoughts and his—for a human being—well
displayed personality structure and his own opinions. You really like
giving yourselves over completely to a public opinion or conditioning,
as for example, "reptilian species are evil" and stuff like that. I
steered the conversation in this direction, and E.F. said something to
the effect that he believed in alien species and that they did not
have to necessarily be evil, but perhaps only different than his kind
are. That pleased me. At that juncture of time, of course, I could not
speak concretely with him about my knowledge because he wouldn't have
believed me—he would have taken me for a human practical joker. I
cultivated the very, very unusual idea (for my kind) to show him my
true exterior, something that I did during our conversation at our
fourth meeting in the cabin. Actually, he was predestined for contact:
he was open-minded, honest, intelligent, not religiously inclined or
conditioned; he lived alone and isolated, and no one would believe
him, should he decide to go public with his story. I dared to take the
step, but then I had serious doubt about the propriety of my act,
especially when he reacted...very...violently. He got control of
himself again after a time and we could finally talk concretely about
definite matters. Now he had no choice but to believe me. This was the
beginning of a series of meetings which initially took place there in
the woods, but later took place in his remote residence. Finally he
brought you into contact with me...and for that reason we are now
sitting here once again and talking about things which probably won't
be believed out there in human society.

Question: You said, you would not have had permission at that time for
contacts with human beings. Do you now then have permission to talk
with E.F. and me about all these things and even to make this
scientifically public?

Answer: Yes. That is difficult to explain and for you to understand.
Let's just say, I find myself in the position now to arrange this
permission without having to take into account any consequences. In
this position I am quasi-"immune" against certain restrictions. Let's
look it that way. Yes.

Question: If other people want to come into contact with your kind, do
they have a chance to do so?

Answer: Generally not. We avoid contact with you and we operate on the
surface only in remote areas and there we use the mimicry techniques
in case we should meet some people. That I am talking with you now
does not mean that others will follow my example. It goes without
saying that you could try to find an entrance to my world and
penetrate your way into there. However, that can sooner lead to
unpleasant consequences for the infiltrator. You have next to no
chances on the surface of recognizing us. You can't even contact us
directly, we have to contact you, just as I did with E.F. Those kinds
of contacts however are not the rule but are very rare occurrences.

Question: Can you describe your subterranean homeland location?

Answer: I can attempt to do so, but I certainly will not tell you
where this place is located. My homeland lies in one of our smaller
underground settlements to the east of here. I'll give you some
numbers so that you can make a better impression for yourself. Just a
minute...I have to try to convert the measurements approximately into
your units. It is a dome-shaped cavern at a distance of about 4300
meters from the Earth's surface. The cavern was organized as a colony
about 3000 years ago; a major portion of the ceiling structure is
artificially integrated into the rock and the form was remodeled into
an almost elegantly proportioned and very flat dome with an oval
ground plan. The diameter of the dome according to your measures is
about two-and-a-half kilometers. The height of the dome at the highest
point is about 220 meters. Underneath that highest point in every
colony there stands a special whitish-gray cylindrical building—a kind
of supporting column which holds the honeycomb net-carrying structure
of the dome. This building is the tallest, largest and oldest in the
entire dome for it is always situated as the first construction
together with the security of the ceiling. (In the meantime of course
there were times when it was completed and reconditioned.) That
building has a very special name and religious significance. We have
only one of those columns; larger colonies even have more columns
according to the construction of the ceiling.

One of the main colonies in Inner Asia has as an example 9 of those
kinds of supports, but that colony is also over 25 of your kilometers
in size. The central building is generally a center of religion, but
also a center for climate control, and a center for the behavior and
the regulation of the lighting system. We have at our location all
together 5 large artificial light sources which generate your UV light
and its warmth through gravitational sources. The air shafts and the
light systems from the surface likewise run through these columns and
naturally, they are very intensely controlled.

By the way, we have 3 air shafts and 2 elevator systems there, and
even a tunnel connection to the next main colony which lies
approximately 500 kilometers to the southeast. One elevator shaft
leads to a cavern near the surface, the other leads to one of our
depots for the ships —you remember, the cylindrical ships— that is
naturally concealed closer to the surface behind a rocky mountain
face. Normally, there are only three ships there —it's a small depot.
The other buildings of the colony are, for the most part,
concentrically ordered in oval circles around the main supporting
column, and they are without exception much flatter; generally only
between 3 and 20 meters tall. The shape of the buildings is round and
dome-like. The color is even differentiated according to circle and
distance from the main column. To the north of the column, there is an
additional, very large but very flat round building. This building
interrupts the concentric system of the colony with its diameter of
about 250 meters. It is the artificial sun zone in which specially
illuminated corridors and rooms are housed. In these locations very
powerful UV light predominates, and they are used in order to warm our
blood. There is even a medical dispensary and a meeting room located
there. Beyond the outer ring of the colony, there are zones in which
animals are kept—you know, we MUST consume flesh as nourishment—and
the gardens in which plant nourishment and mushroom culture are
cultivated; there is also hot and cold running water there from
subterranean sources. The power station is located on the edge of the
colony. The station is driven by fusion as its base and it supplies
the colony and the "suns" with energy. My group or "family" lives, by
the way, in the fourth ring of buildings out from the central support
column. So much in such a short time. To describe to you all the
buildings and their tasks would be going too far. It is difficult to
describe something like that to you, for it is a completely different
set of surroundings and culture from what you are accustomed to in
your life on the surface. You really have to see it for yourself to be
able to believe it.

Question: Will I myself see it sometime?

Answer: Who knows, maybe. Time brings new opportunities.

Question: How many creatures of your kind live in this colony?

Answer: Approximately 900.

Question: That is the end of the interview. Do you have any final
message for the readers of the transcript?

Answer: Yes. I am thoroughly surprised at the many comments to my
words; of course, I am naturally also disappointed about the religious
portrayals of me as the enemy which have been voiced and which have
buried themselves deeply in your mind. You should learn to set
yourselves apart from the old conditioning and not to stand quasi
under the control of something or someone who has already been gone
for 5000 years. You are, after all, free spirits. Those are my final
words.