Mother Tongue of Tyagaraja
Sundara Pandian
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>The title says it all. Myself and my friend were arguing on whether
>Sri Tyagaraja was a Telugu speaking person, or Tamil. Could some informed
>soul enlighten us with authentic information?
>
I think that the mother tongue of Sri Tyagaraja is Telugu.
He lived in Tamilnadu ( I think his parents moved to Tamilnadu
from Andhra.) He might have known Tamil as well (kt, don't
flame me for this! :-) ), but he was a Telugu. I will also
check in Prof.Sambumurthy's works on South Indian Classical
Music, if you really need information from an authentic source.
Namaste, SP
Motakuri V Ramana
The title says it all. Myself and my friend were arguing on whether
Sri Tyagaraja was a Telugu speaking person, or Tamil. Could some informed
soul enlighten us with authentic information?
Thanks.
Hari M. Pendyala
Sri Tyagaraj's mother tongue is telugu.
--harim
Sitaram is dead!
Tyagaraja's mother tongue was Telugu. His family is one of those Andhra
Brahmin families that moved down south to Tamilnadu. There are several
such andhra families out in that area still. They speak Telugu with a very
strong Tami dialect using several Tamil words.
Prof.SambaMurty's book also says this.
-YS.
C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering
Tyagaraja swamigaL's lanugage must have been telugu, but his
music is tamil ( I mean music of tamil nadu). It is not clear
whether Tyagaraja swamigaL had composed any tamil songs but
I would guess he must have been inspired by the tamil tradition
of singing devotional songs ( thEvaarams thiruvasagam
and aazhvaar paasurams). [ Now, I've obviously assumed a larger
sense, namely music included, for 'mother-tongue' :-) ]
The mother-tongue is also guessed from his sahityams and a few
other anecdotes.. there were many tamils also who composed music
involving sanskrit, telugu and kannada, malayalam sahityams..
- Selvaa
Vidyasankar Sundaresan
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- >
- >The title says it all. Myself and my friend were arguing on whether
- >Sri Tyagaraja was a Telugu speaking person, or Tamil. Could some
informed
- >soul enlighten us with authentic information?
- >
-
- I think that the mother tongue of Sri Tyagaraja is Telugu.
- He lived in Tamilnadu ( I think his parents moved to Tamilnadu
- from Andhra.) He might have known Tamil as well (kt, don't
- flame me for this! :-) ), but he was a Telugu. I will also
- check in Prof.Sambumurthy's works on South Indian Classical
- Music, if you really need information from an authentic source.
-
- Namaste, SP
-
Tyagaraja's mother tongue was Telugu. One only needs to look at Tamil
history after the decline of the Chola dynasty, to realize that lots of
Telugu, Kannada and later, Marathi speaking people gradually migrated
southwards. The last famous Chola king, Kulottunga was himself from the
Telugu Choda (cousins to the Tamil Chola) family. After the political
power in the south passed to the Vijaynagar empire, almost all local
governors and viceroys in Tamil Nadu were Telugu or Kannada speaking
people. This lead to the settling of Telugu and Kannada families in the
Tanjavur region.
Later Tanjavur fell to the hands of the distant sultan of Bijapur, who
gave it away as a jagir to Shahaji, the father of Shivaji. Shahaji had
another son called Vyankoji, who inherited the Tanjavur jagir from his
father, while Shivaji built his kingdom around the Pune jagir. Tyagaraja
lived during the time of Serfoji, a descendent of this Vyankoji.
Tyagaraja's father, Ramabrahmam, a Telugu Brahmin, is supposed to have
settled in Tiruvaiyaru (Panchanada Kshetra) while on a pilgrimage.
S.Vidyasankar
Koppampatt R Venkatesh
Tyagaraja was originally born to a Telugu family in A.P. Later, he moved to
Tiruvarur (in Tamil Nadu) where he composed most of his kirtanaas. There is
actually a temple in tiruvarur for `The Trinity' of Carnatic music, viz.
Saint Tyagaraja, Muthuswamy Deekshitar and Shyama Sastry. Most of Saint
Tyagaraja's kirtanaas are in Telugu with a few in sanskrit and tamil. Hope this
info. settles your argument.
Cheers,
K.R. Venkatesh
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harish
>Tyagaraja's mother tongue was Telugu. One only needs to look at Tamil
>history after the decline of the Chola dynasty, to realize that lots of
>Telugu, Kannada and later, Marathi speaking people gradually migrated
>southwards. The last famous Chola king, Kulottunga was himself from the
>Telugu Choda (cousins to the Tamil Chola) family. After the political
>power in the south passed to the Vijaynagar empire, almost all local
Sorry! am' digressing from the subject.. Talking of
Vijaynagar empire.. Are the "Rayas" native kannadigas or
are they from Andra..? I and my room mates used to
argue about this.. I and my fellow Kannadigas consider
Krishnadevaraya to be the pride of our history.. But
surprisingly, Telugu's also consider him the same..
I am a bit confused..? Any knowledgable person
out there help me to clear this.. ?
>S.Vidyasankar
-Harish
Badrinarayanan Seshadri
>In article <23root...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> rama...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Motakuri V Ramana) writes:
>>
>>The title says it all. Myself and my friend were arguing on whether
>>Sri Tyagaraja was a Telugu speaking person, or Tamil. Could some informed
>>soul enlighten us with authentic information?
>>
>>Thanks.
>Tyagaraja was originally born to a Telugu family in A.P. Later, he moved to
>Tiruvarur (in Tamil Nadu) where he composed most of his kirtanaas. There is
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>actually a temple in tiruvarur for `The Trinity' of Carnatic music, viz.
^^^^^^^^^
This place is not 'tiruvarur' but 'thiruvaiyaaru' which means
the place of five rivers.
ma...@vax2.concordia.ca
>>power in the south passed to the Vijaynagar empire, almost all local
>
> Sorry! am' digressing from the subject.. Talking of
> Vijaynagar empire.. Are the "Rayas" native kannadigas or
> are they from Andra..? I and my room mates used to
> argue about this.. I and my fellow Kannadigas consider
> Krishnadevaraya to be the pride of our history.. But
> surprisingly, Telugu's also consider him the same..
> I am a bit confused..? Any knowledgable person
> out there help me to clear this.. ?
>
>
>>S.Vidyasankar
>
>-Harish
"Among the languages of the land Telugu is Great" - That's his opinion
In his court there were many great telugu poets including the hasya kavi
Tenali Rama... I guess from the no. of telugu poets he patronised and the
extent he likes telugu, it can be said he was a telugu himself. Or was it
that Telugu and Kannada were still evolving into different languages at
that time?
- Ravi
KANDALA SRINIVAS
>
> Sorry! am' digressing from the subject.. Talking of
> Vijaynagar empire.. Are the "Rayas" native kannadigas or
> are they from Andra..? I and my room mates used to
I think originally, bukka rayalu (or raya) and harihara rayalu
used to be in orugallu (warangal) and later moved to vijayanagar. so,
i guess originally telugus..
srini
>
>
>>S.Vidyasankar
>
>-Harish
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Seetamraju UdayaBhaskar Sarma
+ After the political
+power in the south passed to the Vijaynagar empire, almost all local
+governors and viceroys in Tamil Nadu were Telugu or Kannada speaking
+people. This lead to the settling of Telugu and Kannada families in the
+Tanjavur region.
telugu people settled (mostly) in the kaavEri delta areas, not because
they came part of the "ruling army" (say like chinese occupying tibet),
but, because, they were running away from the most brutal civilian
massacres in subcontinental history... (the immensely bloody wars between
the vijayanagara empire and teh various mughal-offshoots in the deccan --
bijapur, ahmednagar, etc...)
Even kaLingaa war involved ONLY army casualties. This war involved 90% civilian
population -- I remember a remark, that this changed the rules of
warfare in the subcontinent -- the hindus no longer faught "by the
rules' in a "far away raNakshEtram" -- or they were forced to do so, to
keep back the mughals and the like...
I believe that teLangaNa is a wasteland just because of this war
and that most of the settlers were from northern AP/karnaTaka...
+Later Tanjavur fell to the hands of the distant sultan of Bijapur, who
+gave it away as a jagir to Shahaji, the father of Shivaji. Shahaji had
+another son called Vyankoji, who inherited the Tanjavur jagir from his
+father, while Shivaji built his kingdom around the Pune jagir. Tyagaraja
+lived during the time of Serfoji, a descendent of this Vyankoji.
+
+Tyagaraja's father, Ramabrahmam, a Telugu Brahmin, is supposed to have
+settled in Tiruvaiyaru (Panchanada Kshetra) while on a pilgrimage.
Why would he settle in a new place, unless he found it so peaceful and
conducive for his lifestyle ? :-)
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Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)