Lord Balaji = Lord Muruga
Sundar
To Prove:
Lord Venkateshwara = Lord Muruga [also Lord Subramanya/Lord Karthikeya ]
Proof(s):
(1) Lord Venkateshwara is also called as Balaji. "Bala" in sanskrit means "Child"
"Ji" is the revered one. So "a Child who is revered". Since in the hindu
mythology there is only one child god viz. Lord Muruga we have
Lord Venkateshwara = Lord Muruga
(2) Ancient belief is that any lord residing in a *hillock* is always Lord Muruga.
(Translated in Tamil: Kundru irukkumidemellaam Kumaran) So since *our* Lord
Venketeshwara resides in a hillock again we have
Lord Venkateshwara = Lord Muruga
(3) Lord Venkateshwara is also the "Lord of Seven Hills". But what are those
Seven Hills? On the contrary Lord Muruga has already "Arubadadiveedu" (ie Six
Famous Shrines spread across TN) and he is the main Lord in those places. So
including Tirupathy we have Lord Muruga as "Lord of Seven Hills". Again
Lord Venkateshwara = Lord Muruga
(4) If you go down South, one can see hair-offering (Tonsuring) done only to Lord
Muruga. Nowhere in India we can see hair being offered to Lord Vishnu
(assuming Lord Venkateshwara to be Lord Vishnu). Since Tirupathy is an
exception, it proves again Lord Venkateshwara = Lord Muruga
(5) If you see the photo of Lord Venkateshwara, it has a peculiar *pose* unlike
other god photos. Keenly watch *His* left hand. It will be bent inwards.
Why should it be bent inwards? Most of the gods either hold *something* in
their left hand and with their right hand they bless the world. But on the
contrary there will be nothing in Lord Venkateshwara's left hand, bent
inwards. One belief is that, Ramanujacharya wanted to spread Vaishnavism
across the Dravidian Region (South of Vindhyas). There were no
famous/powerful temple for vaishnavites (since Dravidians were purely
Saivites) During that time Dravidian God was Lord Muruga and there were these
7 famous temples (inclusive of Tirupathy). Out of those 7, the Lord at
Tirupathy was supposed to *powerful*.
So it seems Ramanujacharya removed the Trident that Lord Muruga used to hold
in his hand (See the Photo of Lord Muruga. He'll have tridient in his left
hand, always). So we have that left inward, without anything. Again we have
Lord Venkateshwara = Lord Muruga
PS:
--
I thought this would be a info for all us in this Net.
I didn't mean to hurt anyone or their beliefs.
My sincere apologies, if this really hurt you.
Raghavan Jayaraman
(4) If you go down South, one can see hair-offering (Tonsuring) done only
to Lor
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Muruga. Nowhere in India we can see hair being offered to Lord Vishnu
(assuming Lord Venkateshwara to be Lord Vishnu). Since Tirupathy is an
exception, it proves again Lord Venkateshwara = Lord Muruga
Tonsure is done at Vaitheeswaran koil [Lord Siva], Samayapuram [Amman
koil], Gunasheelam [near Trichy], Siruvachiur [near Trichy- Amman koil],
local Marriyamman koils and one can add many more.
Who knows? One day all gods may team up together, come down to this earth
and beg to be excluded from this Aryan - Dravidian fight.
Shiva Shivakumar
Some more ...
The name Venkatasubramaniam is quite common among Tamils.
In Dikshidhar's 'SubramaNyena' (Suddha Dhanyasi), he uses the
phrase 'Venkateswara naamaroopeNa'
Murugan has two wives and so does Venkateswara !
The 'naamam' on Venkateswara is disproportionately large. One of my
school teachers said that it was done to conceal the true identity of the
diety (pl. don't ask me what that would achieve .. I am just dumping
whatever I have heard ...)
some personal facts : Though my parents named me Shivakumar, folks in my
family don't care for Murugan.
Our 'kula deivam' is supposed to be Venkateswara.
Shiva
cilakapATi jagadIsh
>
>To Prove:
>
> Lord Venkateshwara = Lord Muruga [also Lord Subramanya/Lord Karthikeya ]
>
Why dont you start proving that Lord Muruga or Lord venkatESwarA
existed in the first place. (No flames please. I am a firm believer
in god and monism. And I believe that all gods are *the* same. But trying to
prove *some* gods to be same smells of some ulterior motive)
>Proof(s):
>
>(1) Lord Venkateshwara is also called as Balaji. "Bala" in sanskrit means "Child"
> "Ji" is the revered one. So "a Child who is revered". Since in the hindu
> mythology there is only one child god viz. Lord Muruga we have
> Lord Venkateshwara = Lord Muruga
How do you explain the name of his wife padmAvati. Isnt it
derived from Lotus and hence lakshmIdEvi. The other child gods
who are revered are lord rAma and lord krishNa (of course they
are revered after they grow up). All the stories about child gods
I have heard are of lord krishNa and lord rAmA
>
>(2) Ancient belief is that any lord residing in a *hillock* is always Lord Muruga.
> (Translated in Tamil: Kundru irukkumidemellaam Kumaran) So since *our* Lord
> Venketeshwara resides in a hillock again we have
> Lord Venkateshwara = Lord Muruga
I havent heard of this belief. I have seen atleast one other
place yAdagiriguTTa in A.P. which is on a hillock (guTTa means
hillock) where the deity is lakshmInarasimha swAmi who is
a incarnation of vishNu
>
>(3) Lord Venkateshwara is also the "Lord of Seven Hills". But what are those
> Seven Hills? On the contrary Lord Muruga has already "Arubadadiveedu" (ie Six
> Famous Shrines spread across TN) and he is the main Lord in those places. So
> including Tirupathy we have Lord Muruga as "Lord of Seven Hills". Again
> Lord Venkateshwara = Lord Muruga
>
The hill you see supposedly consists of seven hills. And if you want
seven hills I am sure vishNu has temples on five more hills in
India (or the world).
>(4) If you go down South, one can see hair-offering (Tonsuring) done only to Lord
> Muruga. Nowhere in India we can see hair being offered to Lord Vishnu
> (assuming Lord Venkateshwara to be Lord Vishnu). Since Tirupathy is an
> exception, it proves again Lord Venkateshwara = Lord Muruga
>
Maybe you havent travelled except in those places. In the
lakshmInarasimha swAmi temple, there *is* provision for
hair offerring
>(5) If you see the photo of Lord Venkateshwara, it has a peculiar *pose* unlike
> other god photos. Keenly watch *His* left hand. It will be bent inwards.
> Why should it be bent inwards? Most of the gods either hold *something* in
> their left hand and with their right hand they bless the world. But on the
> contrary there will be nothing in Lord Venkateshwara's left hand, bent
> inwards. One belief is that, Ramanujacharya wanted to spread Vaishnavism
> across the Dravidian Region (South of Vindhyas). There were no
> famous/powerful temple for vaishnavites (since Dravidians were purely
> Saivites) During that time Dravidian God was Lord Muruga and there were these
> 7 famous temples (inclusive of Tirupathy). Out of those 7, the Lord at
> Tirupathy was supposed to *powerful*.
> So it seems Ramanujacharya removed the Trident that Lord Muruga used to hold
> in his hand (See the Photo of Lord Muruga. He'll have tridient in his left
> hand, always). So we have that left inward, without anything. Again we have
> Lord Venkateshwara = Lord Muruga
>
>PS:
>--
>I thought this would be a info for all us in this Net.
>I didn't mean to hurt anyone or their beliefs.
>My sincere apologies, if this really hurt you.
If you are *sincere* please dont post such messages. You have
already hurt my feelings.
jagadIsh "I beleive in monism" cilakapATi
Kathiravan Krishnamurthi
: To Prove:
: (5) If you see the photo of Lord Venkateshwara, it has a peculiar *pose* unlike
: other god photos. Keenly watch *His* left hand. It will be bent inwards.
: Why should it be bent inwards? Most of the gods either hold *something* in
: their left hand and with their right hand they bless the world. But on the
: contrary there will be nothing in Lord Venkateshwara's left hand, bent
: inwards. One belief is that, Ramanujacharya wanted to spread Vaishnavism
: across the Dravidian Region (South of Vindhyas). There were no
: famous/powerful temple for vaishnavites (since Dravidians were purely
: Saivites) During that time Dravidian God was Lord Muruga and there were these
: 7 famous temples (inclusive of Tirupathy). Out of those 7, the Lord at
: Tirupathy was supposed to *powerful*.
: So it seems Ramanujacharya removed the Trident that Lord Muruga used to hold
: in his hand (See the Photo of Lord Muruga. He'll have tridient in his left
: hand, always). So we have that left inward, without anything. Again we have
: Lord Venkateshwara = Lord Muruga
There are many dieties worshipped all over
India. Ancient tamils associated
Gods with landscapes.
The following is an extract from tolkaappiyam given
by paavaaNar.
land God typical names of places
kuRinYchi- murugan- hills kuRichchi, siRukudi etc
mullai-maal-maayOn- forest paadi, cEri, paLLi etc.
neythal-vaaraNan-seashore and coastal regions. pattinam, paakkam
paalai-kaaLi or koRRavai-desert
marutham-agricultural land -plains-saathan* pErur, moothoor etc
Many places in SI have the name ending that correspond to the
the names listed above. A coastal town for ex. pattinam.
sennaip pattinam, srirangap pattinam.
Now coming to your saying that Ramanuja
spread the visNu cult to people in South who
were not aware of such a thing.
maayOn or thirumaal is also referred as visNu.
Worship of thirumaal existed before the time of Sri Ramanuja.
An akam poem (3 BC) refers to maal's bending the branches of the tree that
the cowherdesses may wear the cool leaves for cloth (akam 59)
In modern version the story is a bit altered like
'the ladies desire to wear their own clothes stolen by kaNNan'.
Ramanuja [7 AD guess] himself was influenced by his predecessor
nammaazhvaar's hyms and theology.
Some people have made up a so called
`hindu' religion by propounding trinity where they
associate functions for sivan, visNu and brahma. (creation,
destruction and protection).
The vEdic religion of brahma is included along with
two of the N number of local dieties in the 'neo-hinduism'.
Also this question of who is superior 'sivan or visNu'
was raised and conflicts created between the saiva and visNu
believers.
God is one and has many forms and manifestations
with local variations. But religion and some of its
heads and followers have caused chaos in the name of God.
anban
kathir
: PS:
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iteresting...
it is rumored that at tirupathi, a the statue of a
peacock is can be seen near the feet of the deity.
this is one of the explanations given for the
poojaris not showing deeb-aradhana at the feet of the
deity. comments anybody?
Thirumalai-Anand
In article <CoIr9...@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, sr...@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K. Srinivasan) writes:
|> Incidentally, the official recital of the Venkatesa Suprabhatam in Tirupathi
|> is done every morning by a group of "Iyers" (not Iyengars with namams).
|> It is then followed by the Tamil pasuram recitals by a vaishnava araiyars,
|> every day.
I know of araiyars is srirangam. Have'nt heard of araiyars in
tirupathi.
the pasuram recitals are by a group led by the jeeyar .
varadhan
p.s (is it the chinna jeeyar or the periya jeeyar? just wondering..)
|>
|> Srini
|>
--
K. Srinivasan
>
>Some more ...
>
>The name Venkatasubramaniam is quite common among Tamils.
>
>In Dikshidhar's 'SubramaNyena' (Suddha Dhanyasi), he uses the
>phrase 'Venkateswara naamaroopeNa'
>
>Murugan has two wives and so does Venkateswara !
>
>
>>To Prove:
>>
>> Lord Venkateshwara = Lord Muruga [also Lord Subramanya/Lord Karthikeya ]
>>
>>Proof(s):
>>
>>(1) Lord Venkateshwara is also called as Balaji. "Bala" in sanskrit means "Child"
>> "Ji" is the revered one. So "a Child who is revered". Since in the hindu
>> mythology there is only one child god viz. Lord Muruga we have
>> Lord Venkateshwara = Lord Muruga
>>
>>(2) Ancient belief is that any lord residing in a *hillock* is always Lord Muruga.
>> (Translated in Tamil: Kundru irukkumidemellaam Kumaran) So since *our* Lord
>> Venketeshwara resides in a hillock again we have
>> Lord Venkateshwara = Lord Muruga
>>
>>I didn't mean to hurt anyone or their beliefs.
>>My sincere apologies, if this really hurt you.
>
>
Incidentally, the official recital of the Venkatesa Suprabhatam in Tirupathi
is done every morning by a group of "Iyers" (not Iyengars with namams).
It is then followed by the Tamil pasuram recitals by a vaishnava araiyars,
every day.
Srini