VyAkaraN_AmSamulu ....
SAIRAJU TALLAVARJULA
>There is a smaal typo here...., if U don't mind...
>It is "savarNa deergha sandhi" and not "suvarNa deergha sandhi" as mentioned.
>suvarNam anTe' bangaaram. As far as I know, there is nothing called
>"suvarNa deergha sandhi" in telugu.
You are absolutely right!
Mr. kt said "I think its is called vruDdhi sanDhi in Sanskrit"
Well, SavarNaDheergha sandi itself is a Sanskrit sandhi.
pAdapa+abdhi=padapAbdhi is a good example where both short 'a's combine
to form a A (or aa, the Dheergham in the associated savarna's)
Now Vrudhi Sandhi is totally different and I do not remember
its rules. Some one please enlighten us :-)
>ika SivuDu+aa = SivuDaa ane'di savarNa deergha sandhi kooDaa kaakapo'vachchu..
>endukanTe' SivuDu,'u' to' antamavuto'ndi. aa 'u' kaaraaniki 'aa' kaaram
>paramavuto'nTe (u+aa=aa) adi savarNam elaa avutundi ??
Definitely ka jaladu :-)
>(adi ukaara sandhi e'mo'nani anumaanam. ( or is it a variation of Dulo'pa
>sandhi? ) erukagala mitrulu selavistaarani aaSistunnaanu.)
In fact it is an ukara sandhi (or uthva sandhi) which is a Telugu sandhi.
Another example of the same is "kiidenchi mElencha mannAru"
here kiidu+enchi=kiidenchi (original u-kara is lost)
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It will be very interesting if we can discuss some of the
vyAkarNAmSAlu: Sandhulu, SamAsAlu, Chandhassu and the like.
May be some one can come up with a better order of arrangement
and we can follow them in that order and discuss and learn, or remind
ourselves of these rules and relive our childhood (6th. class life.)
`Of course we can not have `Maavidi kaaya mukkalu', or `Sherbath' or
`Koru ice' on a bamboo stick, `peechu mitai' (the pink coloured one)
all those `sukhandhi' and `maarEdu' drinks with `sabja' seeds,
Kabaddi playing and kite flying. Nor can we sneak out to see `half'
of a movie (after the inter-bell :-)
in a nearby theatre for 15 Paise. All these things are
sure, well in tact in the memories. May be we can revisit them!
If no one thinks there is nothing before sandhulu, that we want to
discuss, then why dont we start with sandhulu. And first we can
discuss `Samskrita' sandhulu, which played major part in the
early writings of `Nannaya' etc.,
SavrNa-DhiirGha sandhi:
sutram: `Acchunaku savarNamu paramainapudu vAni dhiirGhamu EkAdeSamagunu'
This is not the exact way it is. Please, some one send the right wording!
ex:
DaSa+avathAramul = daSavathAramul, a+a=A
PaNi+indru=PaNiindru, i+i=ii
Bhanu+udayam=Bhanoodhyam, u+u=oo (or U)
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other examples
bhaNAsurudu,tanUllAsamu,DhanamadhAndhudu etc.,
Guna Sandhi:
sutram: `Acchunaku i,vu,-Ru lu paramaina, E,O,ar lu EkAdeSamagunu'
(not:- that -Ru is `Bandi-Ra as in gurramu'
DEva+indrudu=DEvEndrudu, a+i=E
Maha+unnathi=MahOnnathi, a+u=O
Raja+rushi=Rajarshi, a+ -R=ar
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other examples
BhUsura+utthama=bhUsurOtthama
Vrika+udharudu=vrikOdharudu, Vrikamu (tOdelu) pottavale bahu dhiirgahamaina
potta (udharamu) kala vaadu (Bhiimudu). Interstingly this is
anya pada praadhanyamu, Bahuvrih samaasamu, we'll save that for appropriate
time.
sorry for too long an article.
Sairaju_
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Kuram T Narayana
Actually if some one has access to books, then it would be nice if people
can recap to all of us the sandhis, chandas, and samasamulu etc. It can be
a parallel thread.
...kt
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Ramabhadra R. Dokka
Dear Sri sairaju Tallavarjula and Dear Netters!!
>>ika SivuDu+aa = SivuDaa ane'di savarNa deergha sandhi kooDaa kaakapo'vachchu..
>>endukanTe' SivuDu,'u' to' antamavuto'ndi. aa 'u' kaaraaniki 'aa' kaaram
>>paramavuto'nTe (u+aa=aa) adi savarNam elaa avutundi ??
> Definitely ka jaladu :-)
>>(adi ukaara sandhi e'mo'nani anumaanam. ( or is it a variation of Dulo'pa
>>sandhi? ) erukagala mitrulu selavistaarani aaSistunnaanu.)
> In fact it is an ukara sandhi (or uthva sandhi) which is a Telugu sandhi.
> Another example of the same is "kiidenchi mElencha mannAru"
> here kiidu+enchi=kiidenchi (original u-kara is lost)
Yes Sir !!
That is indeed an "ukaara sandhi"..
Here is the explanation :
Ukaara sandhiki sootram :
" Ukaaramunaku achchulu paramagunappuDu, sandhi nityamu..." ani...
e.g. :
raamuDu+ataDu = raamuDataDu ( Std. VVIMP question in S.S.C. exams:-):-):-) )
(Idi padyaalalo' paada Bhangam jarugakunDaa, "raamuDu yataDu" ani roopaantaram
chendavachchunu, kaanee asalu sandhi 'ukaara sandhe'. raamuDu yataDu is not
to be confused with Yanade'Sa sandhi....)
ataDu+evaru=ataDevaru, keeDu+enchi=keeDenchi;
kaadu+aTula=kaadaTula, vinumu+ipuDu=vinumipuDu
SivuDu+aataDu=SivuDaataDu.. etc....
Ika savarNa deergha sandhiki, guna sandhiki meerichchina sootraalu,
udaaharaNalu stand the same...
Thanks for your clarification and welcome to more nice discussions
on sandhis, samasams and other telugu VyaakaraNaamSaalu....
mee..
RAM. ( Ramabhadra R. Dokka ) ( rrdo...@starbase.spd.louisville.edu )
Ramarao Kanneganti
> Mr. kt said "I think its is called vruDdhi sanDhi in Sanskrit"
> Well, SavarNaDheergha sandi itself is a Sanskrit sandhi.
> pAdapa+abdhi=padapAbdhi is a good example where both short 'a's combine
> ...
In fact the Sanskrit Sandhi rule is: akassavarNE dheergha:
That means when ak's apply to ak's it results in elongation.
The ak's are meant to be formed from the 14 sounds of "parameswara
dhamaru dhwani", from the Panini's grammar.
-- rama
SAIRAJU TALLAVARJULA
>
>In fact the Sanskrit Sandhi rule is: akassavarNE dheergha:
>That means when ak's apply to ak's it results in elongation.
>The ak's are meant to be formed from the 14 sounds of "parameswara
>dhamaru dhwani", from the Panini's grammar.
>
>-- rama
This is very interesting. If you know the 14 sounds,
it is worth giving those and may be some examples.
Thanks for the original rule.
Also I would like to hear about more examples of
SavarNadhiirGha sandhi with u+u=U formation. When
in elementary school, students used to get confused
between Guna sandhi and visargha sandhi.
When teachers asks: " Oray! Kana Raajoo! manOranjani
E sandhO cheppara?"
Kanaka Raju: " Guna sandhi andi"
Mastaru:"Chi! Oray! Venkata rao nuvvu cheppara?"
Venkata rao:" shh shhhh..." oray, alli etra daniki ansaru "
cheppara mastaaru kotestharu lEkapOthe"
Alli:"Naku teldu be!"
Venkata rao:" clas ayipOyeka nee pani chepthanundu."
Mastaru:"Oray! YEmita godava? "
yevado:" Oray Venkii adi guna sandi ra"
Venkata Rao: "A! Guna sandhi andi"
Maastaru:"yelaga? vida diyyi?"
Venk. :"mana uranjani = manOranjani"
Mastaru: "Oray yenni saarlu cheppanu ra idi visargha
sandhii ani?" Manaha + Ranjani = ManOranjani"
Dakshinaa mUrthy: "mastaaru! mari Chittaha + Ranjani =
chittOranjani yeduku avadandii?"
Mastaru:"Oray! Nannu Tinii kandi. Padaandi, Piradausii
padyamu cheppukundam"
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balE varE,
viilandaru nijanganE maa clasu lO undE varu. :-)
bye for now,
sairaju_
yellamraju murali krishna
In article 2...@rice.edu, ra...@cs.rice.edu (Ramarao Kanneganti) writes:
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+In fact the Sanskrit Sandhi rule is: akassavarNE dheergha:
+That means when ak's apply to ak's it results in elongation.
+The ak's are meant to be formed from the 14 sounds of "parameswara
+dhamaru dhwani", from the Panini's grammar.
+
I haven't had telugu grammar but, is what you are saying
something similar to what I learnt in sanskrit?
"akUha visarjanIyAnam kanTa:
gnya_Na_ma_nanam nAsika cha"
I read in 9th class grammar that, these are a set of six
statements. I remember only three of them, and it is hard to
transliterate them for me. Can me someone complete them?
I have given the first and the last one!
-- murali
the first line means that, syllables a, ka, u, ha, and ':'
come from the kanTamu. similarly the gnya, Na, ma, na, come
from the nose.
Ramarao Kanneganti
>In article <C5Do0...@rice.edu> ra...@cs.rice.edu (Ramarao Kanneganti) writes:
>>
>>In fact the Sanskrit Sandhi rule is: akassavarNE dheergha:
>>That means when ak's apply to ak's it results in elongation.
>>The ak's are meant to be formed from the 14 sounds of "parameswara
>>dhamaru dhwani", from the Panini's grammar.
>>
>>-- rama
>
> This is very interesting. If you know the 14 sounds,
> it is worth giving those and may be some examples.
My grammar is a bit rusty, ever since I started "vyakaraNa bandhaalni
tenchukoni.." and all that, but the 14 sounds are like this:
aiuRN -- RLuk -- ...
Now, if you want to from "ak" -- take from a to k that is the two
syllables and they define the range of letters. This trick helps to
state the range of letters succintly.
-- rama
PS: "namadu kathai pudukkavithai,
ilakkaNangaL edakkillai ..."