PROPOSAL: Kaapu Naadu of North America!
sur...@my-deja.com
I have been contemplating posting this article for quite some time now.
But, for some reason or the other, I had not done doing so. Finally, I
decided to post now and look at the resposes I get. At the outset, let
me state that my intentions are serious as well as sincere. I am
proposing the formation of "Kaapu Naadu of North America" OR "American
Kaapu Naadu" OR another name that is suitable. There are plenty of
reasons that prompted me to take this intiative. As most of you that
are living in US/North America are aware, telugus have been grouping
and coming togther according to their castes. The two telugu national
organizations that are in existance were formed based on the castes,
eventhough they say that the organizations serve all castes. That is
utter nonsense, and we can clearly see the self agenda of the leaders
of those organizations. As per telugu brahmins, it appears that they
are all set to form an association of their own this summer. Eventhough
they constitute less than 3% of AP population, there are thousands and
thousands of telugu brahmins in US/North America. A brahmin can very
easily smell another brahmin, and consequently they all group together
without any efforts. You might have seen in your city/town how these
brahmins are closely knit and don't allow other castes's telugus to
come into their circles.
I have been personnally subjected to humiliations for a simple fact
that I don't belong to any of the dominant telugu caste groups in US.
They have had intentionally kept me out of their groups because they
know that I don't belong to their respective castes. It is appropriate
at this juncture to give some information about myself. I am a "Munnuru
Kaapu" from Hyderabad area, and married to a "Kaapu" from coastal area.
I have extensively travelled in AP and have had contacts with both
Munnuru Kappu and Kaapu/Telaga/Balija community leaders. I know quite a
few of you might say that Kaapus of coastal/rayalaseema areas and
Munnuru Kaapus of telangana areas are quite different. Not really. In
coastal/rayalaseema the kammas are called pedda naidus and
kaapus/telagas/balijas are called chinna naidus. Similarly, in
telangana the munnuru kaapus are next to reddys in holding/irrigating
the agricultural lands. Also, some of you might say that kaapus are
considered belonging to forward caste, where as the munnuru kaapus are
BCs. Not really, again! You might have been aware of the fact that the
kaapus/telagas/balijas have been demanding for the catogerization of
these castes as BCs. You see, we are all same and should consider
ourselves as belonging to one caste.
My intention is to form a Kaapu Naadu(of both Munnuru Kaapus and
Kapu/Telaga/ Balija folks) in US/NA and organize get togethers once in
two years. We can bring the community leaders and the artists from
India for these functions. We can suppoprt our brothers and sisters
back home financially, morally and intellectually. I am assuming that
there might be thousands of Kaapus and Munnuru Kaapus in US/NA.
If you belong to Kaapu/Munnuru Kaapu caste and live in US/NA, I would
like to hear from you with your comments/opinions/suggetions. Please
send an e-mail to "sur...@my-deja.com". I will collect the opinions
and comments of all the replies and post a summery at a later date.
Thanks in advance for your time and replies.
Sincerely,
Surya Rao
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Before you buy.
rkin...@my-deja.com
I did not quite get why u want to start another caste based group? I
beleive, that creating one more such group would just give birth to one
more person like u who would be humiliated by ur so called "Kapu Naadu"
group, which i feel is just stupidity. U r just trying to divide it
into groups further than trying get united.
I really think it is a stupid idea to start another caste based just
because ur humiliated by other groups. Try something better.
Personaly I do not believe in all these caste systems. In India, it
might take time for the people to realise that and the society to
change. Why do u people want to pollute the same over hear in US??.
One should look at others as just as an another person and not based on
castes. Might be it is the human tendency to not to accept a change!!!!
all these are just my opinions( serious though ).
- Rama
Kalyan Vajapeyajula
I agree with you. Us minorities have to stick together.
I too have a proposal. I am a telugu speakign person who is 5'6" tall. All
the telugus taller than me look down upon me. And all telugus shorter than
me look at me like I am a weirdo. So, calling all 5'6" telugus let's form
an association! I feel I have been excluded from the other organisations,
"The Six Feet telugus" and "The Five Feet telugus" because of my height.
And I have another proposal for telugus from Hyderabad. All these guys
from Vijayawada and Vizag and Guntur think cheap of us. I have felt
"insulted" all my life, so let's form a Hyd. Telugu Association.
I have other proposals too, to split up all telugus in US. The "C
coders" (as against the JAVA and the C++ gangs) etc.
Come let us come together and destroy all Unity among the telugus. Let us
behave like our stupid ancestors and bring shame to our land. Please don't
dissapoint me.
My brother Surya Rao will surely agree, what?
Kalyan
sur...@my-deja.com
we met on another Telugu related e-group, didn't we? The stupid
moderator(s) of that group behaved like moron(s) and banned me
from the group. Otherwise, I would have educated the members of
that group about the caste politics of Ameican Telugus, specially
brahmin Telugus. By the way, isn't it true that the stupid moderator(s)
of that group also from Texas? Do you know them(him/her) personally?
As per your below reply, you are most welcome to form whatever
organization you wish to form. After all, you are living in a country
that is synonamous with freedom of expression. There are millions
and millions of organizations/associations (for profit or otherwise)
in this country, and few of your proposed organizations is not a
big deal.
If you think you are trying to sound sarcastic, I should say that
your attempts to do so stink.
Surya Rao
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100...@draco.ae.utexas.edu>,
Ravi Jata
discussion group messages are filled up with revenge and mud throwing. Why
cant we just stop these things and share our knowledge in computers, finace,
stocks or any other thing which helps everybody to grow and in thie process we
will get lot of people to discuss with and share with.
Please stop this kind of discussions - let us talk about silicon valley,
NASDAQ or Elian Gonz. (Surprisingly there is no message over this issue) or
about genetic engineering or Space. I am sure we have a chunk of intellegents
out there who can share these ideas -
Ravi
Dr. Prasad NV Tata
>Please stop this kind of discussions - let us talk about silicon valley,
>NASDAQ or Elian Gonz. (Surprisingly there is no message over this issue)
American TV and media working day and Night on these issues so we have to
work and focus only on our local issues Sardar PapapRayudu cinemalo NT vodu
tho Dasarodu Cheppinchinattlu " Vizagodiki Hyderabadodiki, Hidarabadodiki
Vizagodiki, Gunturodiki Tenalodiki..... Aaakariki Anna Dammulki madya
vibhedaalu srushitnchvu" let us fight among ourselves let us spit on each
other and look stupid in front of everyone...
God Bless NRAPs.
Prasad Tata
srin...@my-deja.com
particularly Indians and Telugus.
When you have so many friends, collegues and well-wishers all around
you, how can you notice their caste instead of dealing with them as
another human being?
Why is this caste so important to you, Mr Rao? Why are you spreading
this poison, coming all the way from where you have born?
Get a life!!
-S
> know that I don't belong to their respective castes. It is appropriate
Tikka Sankarayya
country and do it.
It is shame to see a person in 21st century, that too in USA, with16th
century ideas.
Go and get lost from this board.
TS
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KNaray6684
>I wonder whether Mr Rao has any friends in his life at all,
>particularly Indians and Telugus.
>
>When you have so many friends, collegues and well-wishers all around
>you, how can you notice their caste instead of dealing with them as
>another human being?
Frankly speaking, the lower in the hierarchy your caste, the higher is the
caste feeling. In fact, socialogists attribute caste rigidification to the
lower castes. It is wrong to say Kapus only have caste feeling. The reddys have
it in their throat and the Kammas are no inferior in their caste feeling. I
have a colleague (a Christian and a close friend) who used to complain about a
X-professor whose company only used to hire Reddys. I have a Reddy friend who
is a dean in a university who used to ony bring Reddys as postdocs; and he used
to feel guilty about it and used to tell me, 'Oh, God, I am bringing all these
Reddys. What do people think of me?'. Kammas are no better. They are even
worse. So Kapus feeling oneness for kith and kin is nothing new to the decadent
caste dynamics of our andhra garus vulgar society.
These thought processes overplay in these communities because they not
sufficiently brahminized. Brahminization elevates their social thinking from
the caste to the community level. Islamic invasion of India stalled the
brahminization of these people. When we socially elevate them by bringing
brahminical customs, habits and thought processes into every household, we will
be making them think like ourselves and live like ourselves; think of the
common good and live for the common good.
...kt
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These are just opinions. Ask not of whose they are, but ask of what they are!
sur...@my-deja.com
srin...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I wonder whether Mr Rao has any friends in his life at all,
> particularly Indians and Telugus.
Your wonder is reasonable:) I should say that I have absolutely
no intentions of making friends with brahmins, specially Telugu and
Tamil brahmins! Whatever brahmins friends I made so far in my life,
I started telling them on their face that I hate brahmins and I can't
be friends with them. My own life experiences and historical examples
have proven(without any doubt) that brahmins are the most cunning and
crooked, and there is no point making friends with them. I am open to
friendship with any human being, as long as that human being is not a
brahmin. Period.
> When you have so many friends, collegues and well-wishers all around
> you, how can you notice their caste instead of dealing with them as
> another human being?
Caste feelings are very evident and all over the faces of brahmins all
the time. The most castiest among all castes are brahmins. Make no
mistake of it.
> Why is this caste so important to you, Mr Rao? Why are you spreading
> this poison, coming all the way from where you have born?
I was also thinking and talking like you, Mr. S, for a long time in my
life! I din't come across many barhmins in early years of my life. But,
as I was growing up and started attending educations of higer learning
at several places in India, I have come across outright castiest
cunningness of brahmins, specailly tamil and telugu brahmins. As I said
on several occassions, I have been humiliated by them for not belonging
to their caste. To tell you the truth, I have encountered most
moronic and idiotic brahmins in US than in India. The town where I
live presently is infested with hundreds and hundreds of telugu
brahmins, and blood boils when I openly see their outright caste
feelings. Day by day my anti-brahmin feelings become strong because of
their outright looking down and humilating non-brahmin telugu folks of
the town.
Surya Rao
>
> Get a life!!
> -S
srin...@my-deja.com
> friendship with any human being, as long as that human being is not a
> brahmin. Period.
Your contempt towards the Brahmins more or less equals the Nazi hatred
towards jews. Have you ever wondered whether your thinking is right?
Every one hates some 'group' with certain common attributes. For e.g.,
one may hate the child molesters. The best thing to do is to avoid
them, and report them to the authorities, if their activity is illegal.
Why don't apply the same strategy for your problems with
the 'brahmins'? Why are you externalizing the problem to such a great
extent?
> Caste feelings are very evident and all over the faces of brahmins all
> the time. The most castiest among all castes are brahmins. Make no
> mistake of it.
Mr Rao, the hard fact of life is, you can not force anyone love you.
You have to earn that respect or affection from them. Just as you have
your animosity towards them and feel justified, they too may have their
own reasons for not liking you.
> feelings. Day by day my anti-brahmin feelings become strong because of
You mean your local town council, post office, grocery chain cashier,
barber shop, Indian restaurant, McDonalds, Pizza delivery boy, 401(K)
administrator, School District administrator, Health Care provider,
Bank Teller, etc.. all are Indians, that too Brahmins??
You got to be kidding with me.
Cheers,
S.
uma
KNaray6684 wrote:
> >From: srin...@my-deja.com
>
> >I wonder whether Mr Rao has any friends in his life at all,
> >particularly Indians and Telugus.
> >
Well, Mr.Suryar gave you a fitting reponse...FIY many feel
the same way he does...
>
> >When you have so many friends, collegues and well-wishers all around
> >you, how can you notice their caste instead of dealing with them as
> >another human being?
Alas! One reformer within the clan...May be you should start
preaching it to your clan members...they need this msg badly...
>
> Frankly speaking, the lower in the hierarchy your caste, the higher is the
> caste feeling. In fact, socialogists attribute caste rigidification to the
> lower castes.
Who? Sociologists from your clan? Well then it ain't sociology...
brahminism would be an appropriate term for your "sociological lies"...
and its practioners are popularly known as brahminists...
> It is wrong to say Kapus only have caste feeling. The reddys have
> it in their throat and the Kammas are no inferior in their caste feeling. I
> have a colleague (a Christian and a close friend) who used to complain about a
> X-professor whose company only used to hire Reddys.
wow! quoting your "Christian" colleague when your clan is
whipping up terror against them in India.Well, are your clan
members any different from them?. All people coming from a caste
society think and act in castiest ways which ultimately is bad for
all of them.
> I have a Reddy friend who
> is a dean in a university who used to ony bring Reddys as postdocs; and he used
> to feel guilty about it and used to tell me, 'Oh, God, I am bringing all these
> Reddys. What do people think of me?'. Kammas are no better. They are even
> worse. So Kapus feeling oneness for kith and kin is nothing new to the decadent
> caste dynamics of our andhra garus vulgar society.
Well Mr. Suryar has responed to this one. Anyway, the root for all of
this malaise is brahminism- a caste hierarchy backed by brahminist scriptures
(read lies). I'm not using hindu scriptures 'cos they ain't the same. For some
enlightenment on this I recommend Kancha Ilaiah's "Why I am not a hindu".
>
> These thought processes overplay in these communities because they not
> sufficiently brahminized.
You are out of your mind...or may be that's the way your minds function
i guess...the problem is that these communites have been brahminised and
people like Kancha Ilaiahs are trying to debrahminize them and root out
caste.
> Brahminization elevates their social thinking from
> the caste to the community level.
Well that's that problem with brahminism...it divides people into
caste communites..What Telugus need is a feeling of oneness...
think and act like a nation...a feeling of Telugu nationality(which
the brahminised media terms as "regionalism")
> Islamic invasion of India stalled the
> brahminization of these people.
For a change it was a welcome incident and it gave reprieve to
millions of "sudras"(a term coined by brahminist scriptures)from
the slavery and inhuman practices of brahminism. Well i guess
we don't need another islamic invasion...when in fact we are
witnessing to a "sudra" invasion...
> When we socially elevate them by bringing
> brahminical customs, habits and thought processes into every household, we will
> be making them think like ourselves and live like ourselves;
Dear, you don't need to "elevate" anyone. You just have to come down
from your "false elevated pedestal" and be part of the society. We don't
need any vertical(read caste) structures any longer. If you can step down
(voluntarily, it will be fine, but anyway its going to come down)we can create
a horizontal(read egalitarian) society.
> think of the
> common good and live for the common good.
well brahminism is the antithesis of anything good or truth...So what
shall i say to you...come join the "sudra" invasion and together root
out caste and then it is possible to "think of the common good and
live for the common good"
-uma
>
> ...kt
> ---------------------------------
> These are just opinions. Ask not of whose they are, but ask of what they are!
Well another brahminist "wisdom" saying...but sorry no takers for this one...
sur...@my-deja.com
Whether or not you are brahmin yourself, I will try to carry on a
meaningful discussion with you and try to substantiate what I believe
strongly.
In article <8fbu14$6m4$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
srin...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Every one hates some 'group' with certain common attributes. For e.g.,
> one may hate the child molesters. The best thing to do is to avoid
> them, and report them to the authorities, if their activity is
illegal.
>
> Why don't apply the same strategy for your problems with
> the 'brahmins'? Why are you externalizing the problem to such a great
> extent?
I don't really understand as to what you are trying to say here. I am
putting forth the historical facts as well as my own experiences. It is
not a problem of just me, but a problem of India, problem of millions
and millions of non-brahmin Indians, problem from a community that
constitute less than 3% of one billion people that dominate every field
in India, etc. I am putting my efforts to educate the non-brahmin folks
that haven't paid close attention to the magnitude of the problem. I am
trying to make them realize as to how they have been getting manipulated
over the years in the name of useless shastras, saahityam and other
shit of that kind. What I am talking is a big problem, that should not
taken lightly by all non-brahmins. That is my goal.
>
> Mr Rao, the hard fact of life is, you can not force anyone love you.
> You have to earn that respect or affection from them. Just as you have
> your animosity towards them and feel justified, they too may have
their
> own reasons for not liking you.
I strongly feel in my heart that these brahmins hate me and/or don't
involve me in community related activities solely because I am not a
brahmin. There is no doubt about it, It is not the case of me. But it
is true with many non-brahmins.
>
> You mean your local town council, post office, grocery chain cashier,
> barber shop, Indian restaurant, McDonalds, Pizza delivery boy, 401(K)
> administrator, School District administrator, Health Care provider,
> Bank Teller, etc.. all are Indians, that too Brahmins??
You started talking nonsense now! I was talking about Telugu brahmins
living in my town, not the folks that I encounter on a day-to-day basis.
My dealings with all of the above people you have mentioned are just
fine. But, the problem is with these fucking brahmins. Our telugu
community is dominated by these morons, and they always take over the
happenings of community related activites. These bastards, both men
and women, are very cunning by their genetic nature.
Before I close, I would like you to read the following exerpts from an
article written by well known journalist, Mr. Kushwant Singh.
--
Surya Rao
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The post-1947 India Union is in reality a "Casteocracy" run by the
supremacist orthodox Brahmanical Castes (Brahmins are less than 3% of
Indian population) or Brahmanists who came to hijack the largest chunk
(70%) of the former British "Indian" Empire in 1947. It has been
cleverly run under the ruse of "world's biggest democracy" for the past
50 years. The supremacist and hegemonic minded Brahmanist cliques
completely control the circles of power and policy of the Indian state.
Post 1947, almost all (95%) of the top decision-making and managerial
positions in the country's administration, bureaucracy, state-run
media, press, huge state-run economic sector, universities, army,
police, etc. were stacked by Brahmanists who form 3% of Hindus.
According to statistics published by reputed Indian journalist and
historian Kushwant Singh, the Brahmins alone (3.5% of "Hindus") control
over 70% of the top decision-making and managerial posts of the Indian
State. In 1935, the 3.5% Brahmins held around 4% of the officer
positions among Indians in the government. By 1985, one finds that out
of 3,300 Indian Administrative Officers (IAS), 2,376 are Brahmins; from
the rank of deputy secretaries upwards, out of 500, 310 are Brahmins;
of the 26 state chief secretaries, 19 are Brahmins; of the 16 Supreme
Court judges, 9 are Brahmins; of 438 district magistrates, 250 are
Brahmins; and so on in other circles of power and policy in the Indian
state.
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uma
srin...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > friendship with any human being, as long as that human being is not a
> > brahmin. Period.
>
> Your contempt towards the Brahmins more or less equals the Nazi hatred
> towards jews. Have you ever wondered whether your thinking is right?
>
Its actually the brahminists who are the indian version of Nazis.
Brahminists have historically been intolerant of other indians,
be it sudras,buddhists,sikhs, muslims and christians. Just
go through their shastras-they makes no bones about their contempt
and hatred for non-brahmins. Its latest avatar is in the form of BJP(
Brahmin jati party), RSS and Bajrangdal gangs. Yet the power of
brahminism is such that non-brahmins go about their religious and
cultural lives centered around the brahmin controlled temples and
shastras. Its time for sudras to wake up, debrahminise their temples
and rediscover their cultural and religious heritage. Start up religious
schools to train non-brahmin priests. After all why do sudras have to
patronize these cross-thread poojaris and their shastras who show no
regard for them?
-uma
>
> Every one hates some 'group' with certain common attributes. For e.g.,
> one may hate the child molesters. The best thing to do is to avoid
> them, and report them to the authorities, if their activity is illegal.
>
> Why don't apply the same strategy for your problems with
> the 'brahmins'? Why are you externalizing the problem to such a great
> extent?
>
> > Caste feelings are very evident and all over the faces of brahmins all
> > the time. The most castiest among all castes are brahmins. Make no
> > mistake of it.
>
> Mr Rao, the hard fact of life is, you can not force anyone love you.
> You have to earn that respect or affection from them. Just as you have
> your animosity towards them and feel justified, they too may have their
> own reasons for not liking you.
>
> > feelings. Day by day my anti-brahmin feelings become strong because of
>
> You mean your local town council, post office, grocery chain cashier,
> barber shop, Indian restaurant, McDonalds, Pizza delivery boy, 401(K)
> administrator, School District administrator, Health Care provider,
> Bank Teller, etc.. all are Indians, that too Brahmins??
>
> You got to be kidding with me.
>
> Cheers,
> S.
>
aryan...@my-deja.com
to any tom dick harry -- so how many non-brahmans are interested and
learning the vedas?? -- all along they kept complaining that vedas have
been monopolised by the brahmans -- now when they are thrown open --
they have some other excuse -- they are crap shit losers !!! -- as for
respect -- its only gained by one's behavior -- anyway brahmans are the
most disorganised idiots on earth -- every idiot has an association on
earth except brahmans who just mind their business of preserving the
age old age less cultural heritage -- if not for their commitment all
the shit hindus of india would have long back been converted to muslims
and christians --- but today all that brahmans get is shit in return --
they themselves are to be blamed ofcourse !!!
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