Some Urdu words in Tamil
Sundara Pandian
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1. kassaab kasaappu mutton
2. kursi kuricci chair
3. camca camcaa spoon
4. jhumki cimikki ear-ring
5. baaldi vaaLi bucket
6. qamis kamcu shirt
SP
Giridhar Tatavarti
This stuff is NOT RELEVANT to this news group !!
Stop such boring postings.
Giri..
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kumar vadaparty
> SP
Interesting!
Howabout the vocabulary used for processing paper work? I thought
most Indian Languages use urdu (parsi/arabic) variations for it.
I mean words like "darakhastu" (application) "tanakha", "sadaru", etc.
which in Telugu are the remnants of the "urdu/persian/arabic" mixes
used during the Moghal times.
Kumar.
--
Munipalli ramakanth (AE)
Kathiravan Krishnamurthi
some more I know off-hand used in day to day speech.
tumbler - cup
vaaithaa -invalid
santhaa -subscription fee[I am not sure whether it is thamizh or urdu]
KK
> SP
me
>Stop such boring postings.
>Giri..
So what's interesting to you? All this BJP bullcrap? Have a mind, man,
this is not a BJP political journal, it's an open channel for free exchange
of views. Maybe fanatics like you must open a new channel where you can spread your poison among like-minded creeps.
Ghulam Isaaq.
Meenan Vishnu
idiots. They are a real drag to India's progress. They only want to hear
Rama's stuff.
Meenan Vishnu
Mohan Nibhanupudi
Before you go on bashing like this, understand what he said.
This Tamil-Urdu stuff is not relevant to the SCI.Telugu newsgroup and so
don't cross post it to SCIT.
By mis-interpreting such a simple message and going on to BJP bashing,
you are proving that you are just as fanatical as what you are accusing of
the other people.
- chandra mohan
Shiva Shivakumar
>BUT WHAT THE HELL HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH TELUGU??????????????????????
This is the second objection that I see. The first one, from Giridhar didn't
explicity mention Telugu but looking at the last name, my guess is some
Telugus are offended by Tamil-related posts in their net.
IMHO, quite a few Telugus are suffering from a serious 'Tamil hatred' disease.
Very disappointing considering that Tamils have contributed to Telugu culture
quite a bit and Tamils and Telugus share lot of common heritage.
The relevence of the Urdu-Tamil words posting to Telugu is that given the
higher degree of Urdu influence in Telugu speaking areas, whether such
Urdu words made it to Telugu also?
In any case, it was a short posting. Do you have to object to it?
Tamils are branded as being anti-Hindi and anti-national. But the degree
of anti-Tamil feelings among Telugus and Kannadigas is orders of magnitude
higher than that. What an irony.
You guys have a sweet language. But does that mean you have to call your
neighbour's language unmusical (Aravam = unmusical)?
Disgusted,
Jagadisan Shivakumar
Kathiravan Krishnamurthi
>In article <RAMAKANT.93...@me.uta.edu> rama...@me.uta.edu (Munipalli ramakanth (AE)) writes:
>>BUT WHAT THE HELL HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH TELUGU??????????????????????
>IMHO, quite a few Telugus are suffering from a serious 'Tamil hatred' disease.
>Very disappointing considering that Tamils have contributed to Telugu culture
>quite a bit and Tamils and Telugus share lot of common heritage.
>The relevence of the Urdu-Tamil words posting to Telugu is that given the
>higher degree of Urdu influence in Telugu speaking areas, whether such
>Urdu words made it to Telugu also?
>In any case, it was a short posting. Do you have to object to it?
>Tamils are branded as being anti-Hindi and anti-national. But the degree
>of anti-Tamil feelings among Telugus and Kannadigas is orders of magnitude
>higher than that. What an irony.
superiroty has to be proved in literacy rate, scientific
adavancement etc and not by calling names.
>You guys have a sweet language. But does that mean you have to call your
>neighbour's language unmusical (Aravam = unmusical)?
aravam is thamizh is snake. As selvaa had discussed we can
take it as snake worshippers. But the problem is deeper.
Trying to belittle somebody in the name of language is
not good. Some telugu people I [ignorant] have come across
have repeated out of superiority complex say that. aravaalu
is what they use. atleast they use it in that context.
But thiaagaraajar who first sang keerthis in telugu
drew a lot of music knowledge and background from
thamizhs. [like muthuthaandavar and Co. who lived before him]
Some of the raagaas are directly connected
to the thamizh paNs that existed for centuries before
that. I have a table of paN and equivalent raagaas.
He himself stayed in thamizh land. The
people who utter this aravaalu thing should sense
the recoil of their guns :-).
anbudan[with regards]
Kathiravan-naamaalu-manavaalu
>Disgusted,
>Jagadisan Shivakumar
Giridhar Tatavarti
>giri...@ee.umr.edu (Giridhar Tatavarti) writes:
>
>>Stop such boring postings.
>
>So what's interesting to you? All this BJP bullcrap? Have a mind, man,
>this is not a BJP political journal, it's an open channel for free exchange
>of views. Maybe fanatics like you must open a new channel where you can spread your poison among like-minded creeps.
>
>
>Ghulam Isaaq.
>
Hey Ghulam Dude!
Why the HELL are u dragging BJP into the issue?
I said a comparison of Tamil and Urdu is not relevant to this
Telugu News Group.
If u call this fanaticism and poison, I can only laugh at u.
From now on, Just think for a moment before posting ur junk on the net.
Giri.
EAS...@purccvm.bitnet
<RAMAKANT.93...@me.uta.edu>
<1993Apr1.1...@b30news.b30.ingr.com> <kat.733687750@tomalak>
In article <kat.733687750@tomalak>, k...@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan
Krishnamurthi) says:
>
>In <1993Apr1.1...@b30news.b30.ingr.com> jshi...@b30news.b30.ingr.com
>(Shiva Shivakumar) writes:
>
>>In article <RAMAKANT.93...@me.uta.edu> rama...@me.uta.edu (Munipalli
>ramakanth (AE)) writes:
>>>BUT WHAT THE HELL HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH TELUGU??????????????????????
>
>>IMHO, quite a few Telugus are suffering from a serious 'Tamil hatred'
>disease. -----------
>>Very disappointing considering that Tamils have contributed to Telugu
>culture
>>quite a bit and Tamils and Telugus share lot of common heritage.
>
>
>>The relevence of the Urdu-Tamil words posting to Telugu is that given the
>>higher degree of Urdu influence in Telugu speaking areas, whether such
>>Urdu words made it to Telugu also?
>
>>In any case, it was a short posting. Do you have to object to it?
>
>>Tamils are branded as being anti-Hindi and anti-national. But the degree
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>>of anti-Tamil feelings among Telugus and Kannadigas is orders of magnitude
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>>higher than that. What an irony.
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Well, unwarranted generalisation. As I have said earlier, we should exercise
caution in generalizing. In my experience, I have seen both Tamil_is_Superior
and Telugu_is_Superior types. But they would be statistically insignificant,IMO
> superiroty has to be proved in literacy rate, scientific
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> adavancement etc and not by calling names.
----------------------------------------
Kat, don't be stupid. If what u say is right, Haryanvis and Punjabis are
superior to Tamils,right? We are talking about differences here and
trying our frigging best not to evaluate in terms of superior/inferior.
>>You guys have a sweet language. But does that mean you have to call your
>>neighbour's language unmusical (Aravam = unmusical)?
> ---------------------------------------------------
Until it was pointed out to me by a Tamil friend, I never thought about the
meaning of aravam. I think a majority of telugus use 'aravam' without really
implying 'unmusical'. If u feel bad about the usage, tell the next telugu guy
not to use it. I believe it works in 95% of the cases.
>
> aravam is thamizh is snake. As selvaa had discussed we can
> take it as snake worshippers. But the problem is deeper.
> Trying to belittle somebody in the name of language is
> not good. Some telugu people I [ignorant] have come across
> have repeated out of superiority complex say that. aravaalu
> is what they use. atleast they use it in that context.
>
> But thiaagaraajar who first sang keerthis in telugu
> drew a lot of music knowledge and background from
> thamizhs. [like muthuthaandavar and Co. who lived before him]
> Some of the raagaas are directly connected
> to the thamizh paNs that existed for centuries before
> that. I have a table of paN and equivalent raagaas.
> He himself stayed in thamizh land. The
> people who utter this aravaalu thing should sense
> the recoil of their guns :-).
>
> anbudan[with regards]
> Kathiravan-naamaalu-manavaalu
>
>>Disgusted,
>
>>Jagadisan Shivakumar
>
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the issue here is similar to the
Tamils' anti-Hindi stand. If I may say so, a lot of credit which should
have gone to Telugus has gone to others. The S.Indian classical music is
called 'carnatic' and every telugu genius becomes a 'swamigal' instead of
'swami gaaru' and 'Dikshitar' instead of 'dikshitulu'. Can we complain of
'suppression of our culture and heritage' by Tamils just as you complained
against N.Indians?:-)
P.S: I hope the above is taken in the spirit it is written. It needs a VERY
mature mind to concede differences but at the same time not fall prey to the
'superior-inferior' syndrome. In general, such maturity is lacking on desi
nets. Keeping this in mind, please do not continue this thread.
Easwar Nyshadham.
kumar vadaparty
>
> I apologize for cross-posting my posting "Some Urdu words in
> Tamil" to the Telugu newsgroup SCIT. I cross-posted that short
> posting of about 7 lines length to SCIT hoping that I would get
> some input from the Telugu netters about the Urdu words that came
> to be used in common Tamil. ( I gave English meaning to all the
> 6 words that I mentioned in my posting.) However, some Telugu netters
> criticized my posting that it did not pertain to their Telugu group.
> I am sorry for my cross-posting and I request the Telugu netters
> in SCIT to accept my apology.
>
> Sundara Pandian.
>
You dont need to!
Insularity is a singularly lamentable property of humans at large, and
Telugus are no exception! Your posting connecting Urdu and Tamil is
thousand times more illuminating, intelligent and refreshing than
reciting some (fully reproducible in pristine original form from audio
cassettes) old Telgu songs that requires no intelligence what so ever.
His posting should have been an inspiration to post some urdu->telugu
words.
Let originality, objectivity and intelligence rule the land; not
regurgitation, insularity, and sentimentalism.
Sincerely,
Kumar Vadaparty.
--
Kathiravan Krishnamurthi
>In article <C4pow...@news.cso.uiuc.edu> asg...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (me ) writes:
>>giri...@ee.umr.edu (Giridhar Tatavarti) writes:
>>
>>>This stuff is NOT RELEVANT to this news group !!
>>>Stop such boring postings.
>>>Giridhar Tatavarti
>>
>>So what's interesting to you? All this BJP bullcrap? Have a mind, man,
>>this is not a BJP political journal, it's an open channel for free exchange
>>of views. Maybe fanatics like you must open a new channel where you can spread your poison among like-minded creeps.
>>
>>
>>Ghulam Isaaq.
>>
>Hey Ghulam Dude!
>Why the HELL are u dragging BJP into the issue?
>I said a comparison of Tamil and Urdu is not relevant to this
>Telugu News Group.
>If u call this fanaticism and poison, I can only laugh at u.
>From now on, Just think for a moment before posting ur junk on the net.
>Giri.
Dear Mr Giri!
I would like you to understand that it might have been a mistake.
But when kuram and vermaji post their aryan bull in sct, sctelugu where were you?
anban
Kathiravan
u v babu srinivas
%
% Insularity is a singularly lamentable property of humans at large, and
% Telugus are no exception!
% thousand times more illuminating, intelligent and refreshing than
% reciting some old Telgu songs that requires no intelligence what so ever.
:)
buddhi cheppi gadd'i tinna'd'at'a, o' maha'nubha'vud'u. evarai
unt'aaru chepma.
-- srinivas
Kouhia Juhana
jshi...@b30news.b30.ingr.com (Shiva Shivakumar) writes:
>In article <RAMAKANT.93...@me.uta.edu> rama...@me.uta.edu (Munipalli ramakanth (AE)) writes:
>>BUT WHAT THE HELL HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH TELUGU??????????????????????
>
>This is the second objection that I see. The first one, from Giridhar didn't
>explicity mention Telugu but looking at the last name, my guess is some
>Telugus are offended by Tamil-related posts in their net.
No they are offended because a Tamil don't understand the purpose of
newsgroup hiearchies; s.c.i.telugu for telugu, s.c.tamil for tamil
stuff.
>IMHO, quite a few Telugus are suffering from a serious 'Tamil hatred'
>disease.
It must be IMHO if you base it for the above kind articles.
There's nothing which indicates that the poster's have 'Tamil hatred'
disease.
>In any case, it was a short posting. Do you have to object to it?
It doesn't matter if the article is short or long.
You have not understood that the question is about correct
newsgroup distribution.
(Like some people post cricket-articles to music newsgroups, just
because people who read the articles in music newsgroups might be
interested in cricket, figure it out...)
>Tamils are branded as being anti-Hindi and anti-national. But the degree
>of anti-Tamil feelings among Telugus and Kannadigas is orders of magnitude
>higher than that. What an irony.
Note that this is also your Humble Opinion.
Juhana Kouhia
Sreedhar Barakam
>
>>In article <930328211...@cec1.wustl.edu> s...@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>>> Urdu Word (>) Tamil Word Meaning
>>> --------- -------------- -------
>>>1. kassaab kasaappu mutton
>>>2. kursi kuricci chair
>>>3. camca camcaa spoon
>>>4. jhumki cimikki ear-ring
>>>5. baaldi vaaLi bucket
>>>6. qamis kamcu shirt
>>>
>>> SP
>
>
>>This stuff is NOT RELEVANT to this news group !!
>
>>Stop such boring postings.
>
>>Giri..
>
>
>this is not a BJP political journal, it's an open channel for free exchange
>of views. Maybe fanatics like you must open a new channel where you can spread your poison among like-minded creeps.
>
>
>Ghulam Isaaq.
>
All Giri said was this stuff was not relevant to this newsgroup. The stuff
being posted was about Urdu and Tamil. Can you tell me in what way this is
related to this newsgroup?
If you think it is of interest to Indians, then post it to soc.culture.indian,
not to soc.culture.indian.telugu. Yes, this is a free exchange of views
but when you post about Urdu and Tamil in a telugu newsgroup without any
reference to telugu, it is ridiculous.
Sreedhar.
Giridhar Tatavarti
>>>giri...@ee.umr.edu (Giridhar Tatavarti) writes:
>
>>Hey Ghulam Dude!
>
>>Why the HELL are u dragging BJP into the issue?
>>I said a comparison of Tamil and Urdu is not relevant to this
>>Telugu News Group.
>
>>If u call this fanaticism and poison, I can only laugh at u.
>
>>From now on, Just think for a moment before posting ur junk on the net.
>
>>Giri.
>
> Dear Mr Giri!
>
> I would like you to understand that it might have been a mistake.
> But when kuram and vermaji post their aryan bull in sct, sctelugu where were you?
>
> anban
> Kathiravan
>
Yes. It is a mistake, I guess.
What ever articles I read (by the authors u mentioned),
is RELEVANT to this group .
I rememeber that they were writing about Gayatri.
As far as I know, nobody with their senses working properly
calls the others' viewpoint as a BULL.
You seem to be questioning me why I did not raise my voice
against their postings.
Why should anyone raise their voice against people who are
writings stuff which is RELEVANT to this newsgroup?
Bestwishes.
mitrudu
Giri..
Sameer J Apte
>In article <1993Apr1.1...@b30news.b30.ingr.com>
>jshi...@b30news.b30.ingr.com (Shiva Shivakumar) writes:
>>In article <RAMAKANT.93...@me.uta.edu> rama...@me.uta.edu (Munipalli ramakanth (AE)) writes:
>
- Some stuff deleted....
>
>It doesn't matter if the article is short or long.
>You have not understood that the question is about correct
>newsgroup distribution.
>(Like some people post cricket-articles to music newsgroups, just
>because people who read the articles in music newsgroups might be
>interested in cricket, figure it out...)
>
>
>
>Note that this is also your Humble Opinion.
>
>
>Juhana Kouhia
I totally agree with what you say. In parallel to this there
is a discussion going on "sanskrut" language, it's origin, and
what not. There are some articles posted by tamilians, and some
by non-tamilians. Everyone who is reading those articles can notice,
that the articles that are posted by non-tamilians, are written in
pure English, on the contrary those written by tamilians contain
plenty of tamil words/sentences (sometimes with & most of the times
without translation), and is thus very hard to follow! I don't
understand what they achieve by doing this(?) Atleast they shd
avoid doing such things, if they are cross posting the article
to sci.
These guys shd understand that every indian has his own mother-
tongue, and everyone is equally proud of it. If everyone
starts using his/her mothertongue on sci, it will be a total
mess.
In short, try to avoid doing such things, and keep this as an INDIAN
newsgroup.
- Sameer
--
If value corrupts then absolute value corrupts absolutely
Sreedhar Barakam
>In <1993Apr1.1...@b30news.b30.ingr.com> jshi...@b30news.b30.ingr.com (Shiva Shivakumar) writes:
>
>>In article <RAMAKANT.93...@me.uta.edu> rama...@me.uta.edu (Munipalli ramakanth (AE)) writes:
>
>>IMHO, quite a few Telugus are suffering from a serious 'Tamil hatred' disease.
>>Very disappointing considering that Tamils have contributed to Telugu culture
>>quite a bit and Tamils and Telugus share lot of common heritage.
that telugus are suffering from a serious tamil hatred. Why? Just because
somebody objected Urdu->Tamil post being out of place? This kind of
inferencing is unfortunate.
>>The relevence of the Urdu-Tamil words posting to Telugu is that given the
>>higher degree of Urdu influence in Telugu speaking areas, whether such
>>Urdu words made it to Telugu also?
If the original poster has mentioned the above fact, probably this
discussion would not have started. When you see a post that does not
apparently justify its presence in a newsgroup, you are inviting criticism.
In fact the original poster later said that he expected some more
Urdu words that have found their way into Tamil, but not telugu.
Chances of finding people who know Urdu, and Tamil well enough for this in
a telugu newsgroup is remote.
Sreedhar.
swaminathan,kashi r
PLEASE, PLEASE NO SANSKRIT THINIPPU IN SCT.
OH, IT IS URDU? SORRY, URDU IS OKAY
Giridhar Tatavarti
>>>giri...@ee.umr.edu (Giridhar Tatavarti) writes:
>
>>Hey Ghulam Dude!
>
>>Why the HELL are u dragging BJP into the issue?
>>I said a comparison of Tamil and Urdu is not relevant to this
>>Telugu News Group.
>
>>If u call this fanaticism and poison, I can only laugh at u.
>
>>From now on, Just think for a moment before posting ur junk on the net.
>
>>Giri.
>
> Dear Mr Giri!
>
> I would like you to understand that it might have been a mistake.
> But when kuram and vermaji post their aryan bull in sct, sctelugu where were you?
>
> anban
> Kathiravan
>
Yes. It is a mistake, I guess.
What ever articles I read (by the authors u mentioned),
is RELEVANT to this group .
I rememeber that they were writing about Gayatri.
As far as I know, nobody with their senses working properly
calls the others' viewpoint as a BULL.
You seem to be questioning me why I did not raise my voice
against their postings.
Why should anyone raise their voice against people who are
writings stuff which is RELEVANT to this newsgroup?
Bestwishes.
mitrudu
Giri..