On these obscene goddesses...
K.T. Narayana
Last weekend at our Cafe' Brahminism, we discussed this
issue of goddesses, nudity, the obscenity thereof, and
the immense injury that it can cause to the sentiments
of some of our most beloved andhra gaarus. In expressing
sentiments, our andhra gaarus are second to none, for we
see sentiment ooooozing all the time in our movies.
Why, why this tirade against our unsuspecting, trusted
and mild-mannered andhra gaarus?
Many of you may have guessed by now that the backdrop for
our discussions is MF Hussain's nude paintings of none
other than our maata Saraswati. Why should this episode
matter so much? The dravidian racists and their scum
followers defile such symbols everyday and this supposed
indiscretion of MF Hussain is but a small thing when
compared to what the dravidian racists in our country
actually do (and can do). So why should our aryaputraas
be so much agitated? As is the case, at our Cafe' Brahminism,
we analyze both the content and the intent of those paintings
and of course our aryaputraa's reactions.
Back-grounder
MF Hussain is perhaps the most acclaimed of the artists.
Some of his paintings hang around in TIFR and they
are simply super. To that extent, MF Hussain is not
a nincompoo artist but an accomplished one deserving
our appreciation for his contributions to the art in
the country. So what is this MF Hussain guy doing
with our nude Saraswati?
Some funda
Is obscene depiction of godly symbols new to Hinduism?
Is carnal immorality beyond the metaphysics of Hinduism?
Are Hindu gods separated from the feelings and emotions
of the Hindu masses in the articulation of the metaphysics?
Why do we have these gods and goddesses? Is it the
case that a nude painting of Parvati is more acceptable
than that of Saraswati? Of the three Lakshmi, Saraswati and
Parvati who is a better candidate for the nude? Or should
Hussain have chosen our Telugu Talli for the nude? Why did
the nude Saraswati offend our andhra gaarus? Was she
portrayed as a Victorian style nude much to the dislike
of our andhra gaarus? Or was she portrayed in Ajanta and
Ellora style? Actually why did Hussain pick on Saraswati?
He could have made a nude portrait of Manisha Koirala;
that would have endeared our andhra gaarus. Why, why, why
this Saraswati? Me always boggles!
As usual our kaamraaD kountEya, PC Rao, and telugutanam
taanayya thought, thought, and thought, again and again,
one with his marxist angle and the other with his p-secular
angle, and the third with tons of Telugatvam. Of little
avail were their efforts. Finally they gave up and came
back, "Gurru! There is no basis for this controversy! Our
aryaputraas have gone berserk," said the first two in chorus.
"Its awful. Our Telugu pillalu first pray to Saraswati
when they are initiated to learning. It doesn't look
good on our Telugu children to pray to a nude portrait of
Saraswati," said our Telugutanam taanayya. "Brahmincal
decadence, taanayya!" retorted KaamraaD KountEya.
"Hey! Guru! Guide us! What is the ganDikOTa rahasyam in
this nude painting of Saraswati?" said one and all.
Me said. "Actually, Parvati in the nude is much better
than Saraswati, and more wholesome." "That is Telugu
anatagonism. You want to hurt our Telugu sentiments.
We pray to Parvati in Srisailam, Kalahasti, DavaLEswaram,
etc. Why, why, why, Parvati!" roared our telugutanam.
"You see telugtanam, Hussain had three choices of
either Parvati, Saraswati, or of Lakshmi to portray
in the nude. We want to find out the suuksham behind
his choice of Saraswati, aren't we?" me responded.
"Why is Parvati so suitable, then?" asked our PC Rao.
"You see, Siva is virile in nature. Siva rides a Bull,
a virile animal. Parvati in the nude makes perfect
sense for enticing a virile Siva or even the Bull
for that matter. That is sensuality and a graphic
expression of carnal desires," me said.
"Hussain wanted to paint a picture, and he painted
a nude Saraswati, that's all," responded kaamraaD
kountEya.
"kaamraaD kountEya, artists don't render without
meaning an abstract interpretation to their paintings.
That interpretation is the backbone of contention
for our aryaputraas," me answered.
"So, why not Lakshmi?" asked our PC Rao.
"Yepp, there is a precendent. The conjugal activity
of Lakshmi and Vishnu, and venerating that conjugation,
was and is indeed a sublime activity. So a nude Lakshmi
would make a perfect symbol for conjugal bliss," me said.
"Krshna! Krshna! What a perversion," said our Bhaktavatsalam
making his grand entry.
"A nude Lakshmi or a nude Parvati makes sense vis a vis Hinduism.
There is nothing wrong and our aryaputras will not be offended
by the same. Take for instance, the saivaite Shakti as the
center of the Universe, or the Raasa leelaas of Valllabhacharya's
metaphysics. These are all sensuous in their content and intent.
There is nothing wrong in them. The Shakthi of some of the
Saivaite metaphysics is actually Parvati. So our aryaputras
should not be offended," me said.
"Even the Shaakthic cults outside of the vEdic fold used to
engage in wife-swapping, homosexuality, liqour drinking, pot
smoking etc. as part of their rituals. Hinduism tolerated
all such diversity, and there is nothing that our aryaputras
can do about it," me repeated.
"So then, what is the issue about Saraswati?" asked our PC Rao.
"You see, where as Lakshmi and Parvati have been centers of
thought in the development of the metaphysics and the
pragmatics of that metaphysics, Saraswati does not find
place at all in that thought process. She is simply a
custodian and there are no sensuous artifacts from that
diety brought into Hinduism. That is significant,"
me said.
"If Hindus can tolerate Parvati and Lakshmi in the nude,
why not Saraswati?" questions our kaamrad kountEya.
"No. no, nono, our andhra gaarus were not at all offended
by the nudeness of the Saraswati. Nudity of the goddess is
not the issue. The choosing of Saraswati and the rendered
disposition is the committed offense," me said.
"Why is that so?" asks our PC Rao.
"Saraswati is rendered with a book in the hand. Saraswati
is the custodian of knowledge. For our aryaputras, knowledge
and vEdas are synonymous. By rendering her nude and
hence implying obscenity (remember there are no sensuous
artifacts in vEdaanta associated with Saraswati), Hussain
was indeed giving the abstract interpretation that vEdas
are obscene and Hinduism is an obscenity." me said.
"Many people earlier have said vedas are obscene and vEdism
is an obscenity. It did not matter for the Hindus," said
PC Rao.
"Yes! That is correct. The dravidian racist EVR and
all his cElas also say the same. But that doesn't mean it
is not offensive. It only means that an offense of
that kind is tolerated by the Hindus. There are historical
precedents, like the Lingayat movement, that of Palkurki
SOmanaatha's veeraSaivam etc. They were all side streams,
but somewhat civilized in that they had a metaphysics
of their own," me replied.
"Then why does it matter, if Hussain painted a nude Saraswati?"
asks kaamraaD kountEya.
"It does. The painting is not art. It is a political
statement on Hinduism and runs in synchrony with the
negationist philosophy of the p-secular elements of
the country," me responded.
"Why?" asked everybody in chorus.
"The Islamic invasions attacked Hindu symbols and
tyranized the core elements of the Hindu society.
Our aryaputraas contention is that the negationism
of modern times is centered on a surreptous attack
on the same core elements of that society while
functionally denying repression of yesteryears
existed," me said.
"So in order to assess why our aryaputraas are
enraged, we have to understand that MF Hussain
is a tool in the hands of the negationists,"
so me said.
Thus an obscene Saraswati is not a simple issue
of freedom of expression, but much more than that. It
has nothing whatsoever to do with our aryaputraas
intolerance, but every thing to do with the
undercurrent of the political schism in the country.
So much for today...
...kt
soodraa\'s.coffee.hotel@zippo.com
In article <54jj42$7...@news.informix.com>, nara...@informix.com says...
>
>Last weekend at our Cafe' Brahminism, we discussed this
Who is the pantulu?
>issue of goddesses, nudity, the obscenity thereof, and
>the immense injury that it can cause to the sentiments
Did not Brahmins discuss enough about NUDITY, OBSCENITY, and SEX some thousands
of years ago?
No No! That does not cause immense injury.
>of some of our most beloved andhra gaarus. In expressing
>sentiments, our andhra gaarus are second to none, for we
Is not KT Narayana one of those ANDHRA GURUS?
Come on KTN!!!
U R IInd to none.
>see sentiment ooooozing all the time in our movies.
>Why, why this tirade against our unsuspecting, trusted
>and mild-mannered andhra gaarus?
Where?WHO?WHICH?
>Many of you may have guessed by now that the backdrop for
>our discussions is MF Hussain's nude paintings of none
>other than our maata Saraswati. Why should this episode
>matter so much? The dravidian racists and their scum
>followers defile such symbols everyday and this supposed
>indiscretion of MF Hussain is but a small thing when
>compared to what the dravidian racists in our country
>actually do (and can do). So why should our aryaputraas
>be so much agitated? As is the case, at our Cafe' Brahminism,
>we analyze both the content and the intent of those paintings
>and of course our aryaputraa's reactions.
WHAT A VOOSARAVELLI THIS GUY!!!!!
>
>Back-grounder
>
>MF Hussain is perhaps the most acclaimed of the artists.
>Some of his paintings hang around in TIFR and they
>Obscene depiction of godly symbols new to Hinduism?
>Is carnal immorality beyond the metaphysics of Hinduism?
>Are Hindu gods separated from the feelings and emotions
>of the Hindu masses in the articulation of the metaphysics?
>Why do we have these gods and goddesses? Is it the
>case that a nude painting of Parvati is more acceptable
>than that of Saraswati? Of the three Lakshmi, Saraswati and
>Parvati who is a better candidate for the nude? Or should
>Hussain have chosen our Telugu Talli for the nude? Why did
>the nude Saraswati offend our andhra gaarus? Was she
>portrayed as a Victorian style nude much to the dislike
>of our andhra gaarus? Or was she portrayed in Ajanta and
>Ellora style? Actually why did Hussain pick on Saraswati?
>He could have made a nude portrait of Manisha Koirala;
>that would have endeared our andhra gaarus. Why, why, why
>this Saraswati? Me always boggles!
>
Because SARASWATHI IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL GODESS
Hussain sees her beauty.
Me does not boggle.Husssain as an artist has his freedom to choose whom he wants
to paint.He can choose Madhuravani.Who are we (you) to ask Hussaini to do
what we (uou - the andhra guru) wants to do? RIDICULOUS>>>>>>>>
>As usual our kaamraaD kountEya, PC Rao, and telugutanam
>taanayya thought, thought, and thought, again and again,
>one with his marxist angle and the other with his p-secular
>angle, and the third with tons of Telugatvam. Of little
Do you have speech problems?
Do you have mental blocks?You need serious brain surgery.
Hope the scientists come up with BRAIN TRANSPLANTATION TECHNIQUE.
Those brains in the slaughter houses are good replacements for yours.
Try to think straight. HORRIBLE ANALyst>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>KT N>>>>>>>>>
>avail were their efforts. Finally they gave up and came
>back, "Gurru! There is no basis for this controversy! Our
>aryaputraas have gone berserk," said the first two in chorus.
>"Its awful. Our Telugu pillalu first pray to Saraswati
>when they are initiated to learning. It doesn't look
>good on our Telugu children to pray to a nude portrait of
>Saraswati," said our Telugutanam taanayya. "Brahmincal
>decadence, taanayya!" retorted KaamraaD KountEya.
>
Do you allow your daughter to pray to NUDE VISHNU?
DO you allow your son to pray to NUDE PARVATHI/NUDE SARASVATHI?
What iz Ur point?
Why do U mix up things? You are a CLUTTER SYNDROME?
MIX MIXIN MIXING MIX MIX NARAYANA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>"Hey! Guru! Guide us! What is the ganDikOTa rahasyam in
>this nude painting of Saraswati?" said one and all.
No ganDikOTa rahasyam. GANDI DARSANAM>>>>>>>>>>>>>NARIGAAA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>Me said. "Actually, Parvati in the nude is much better
>than Saraswati, and more wholesome." "That is Telugu
>anatagonism. You want to hurt our Telugu sentiments.
Vaare VAh! NARAYANA the KAMASASTRA panDitaa.
ayyO! naarigaa! neeku madapicci vaccindaa.
jaagarta raa nee vittanaalasanci.idaemi poeyaekaalamraa neeku.
paarvati ni digambarangaa coostaavaa.siggulaedoo pantuloo!
poeyaekaalam.veeDu neetulu ceptaaDu andarakee.cha.mudhanashTapu batuku.
mundu Watch sentiments at your house.You may have to go to your dog house.
pastulunDagalavu jaakartaroeyi naarigaa.appaDaalakarratoe nee tala
boppilu kaTTungaaka.adhoebhaagam jaagartagaa coocukoe naarigaa.
>We pray to Parvati in Srisailam, Kalahasti, DavaLEswaram,
>etc. Why, why, why, Parvati!" roared our telugutanam.
naaree.neeku teriyadaa?telistae zeppu saamee.
vedhava picci.
>
>"You see telugtanam, Hussain had three choices of
>either Parvati, Saraswati, or of Lakshmi to portray
>in the nude. We want to find out the suuksham behind
>his choice of Saraswati, aren't we?" me responded.
Go and ask Hussain.He will tell you.Probably Saraswathi
was his Allah's vucukunna munDa.nEEkenduku?
sutti.
>"Why is Parvati so suitable, then?" asked our PC Rao.
'kause! KTN likes PARVATI.
>
>"You see, Siva is virile in nature. Siva rides a Bull,
>a virile animal. Parvati in the nude makes perfect
>sense for enticing a virile Siva or even the Bull
>for that matter. That is sensuality and a graphic
>expression of carnal desires," me said.
>
abbOe. sex education ekkuvayindi KTN ki.
madapicciroeyi.veeDiki ee vayassuloe ee vedhava buddhulu.
poeyaekaalam.
>"Hussain wanted to paint a picture, and he painted
>a nude Saraswati, that's all," responded kaamraaD
>kountEya.
HE IS ABSOLUTELY KARREST>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<
>
>"kaamraaD kountEya, artists don't render without
>meaning an abstract interpretation to their paintings.
>That interpretation is the backbone of contention
>for our aryaputraas," me answered.
USELESS YOU Said. YOU HAVE NO BACKBONE KTN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>"So, why not Lakshmi?" asked our PC Rao.
>
>"Yepp, there is a precendent. The conjugal activity
>of Lakshmi and Vishnu, and venerating that conjugation,
>was and is indeed a sublime activity. So a nude Lakshmi
>would make a perfect symbol for conjugal bliss," me said.
abbaaa!Don't you get enough of that at your home?
Picci ekkavayinadi neeku.madapicci.
Go and get an inflatable doll.
>
>"Krshna! Krshna! What a perversion," said our Bhaktavatsalam
>making his grand entry.
>
>"A nude Lakshmi or a nude Parvati makes sense vis a vis Hinduism.
>There is nothing wrong and our aryaputras will not be offended
>by the same. Take for instance, the saivaite Shakti as the
>center of the Universe, or the Raasa leelaas of Valllabhacharya's
>metaphysics. These are all sensuous in their content and intent.
>There is nothing wrong in them. The Shakthi of some of the
>Saivaite metaphysics is actually Parvati. So our aryaputras
>should not be offended," me said.
KTN - THE MODERN VAATSAAYANA!
>
>"Even the Shaakthic cults outside of the vEdic fold used to
>engage in wife-swapping, homosexuality, liqour drinking, pot
>smoking etc. as part of their rituals. Hinduism tolerated
>all such diversity, and there is nothing that our aryaputras
>can do about it," me repeated.
oraeyi! vEdic cults did all this.vEdaas support wife-swapping,
homo, alcohol saevincaDam, pot smoking and all that good stuff.
Hinduism is full of that crap raa kt.You call that Tolerance.
We call it full of crap.
>
>"So then, what is the issue about Saraswati?" asked our PC Rao.
>
>"You see, where as Lakshmi and Parvati have been centers of
>thought in the development of the metaphysics and the
>pragmatics of that metaphysics, Saraswati does not find
>place at all in that thought process. She is simply a
>custodian and there are no sensuous artifacts from that
>diety brought into Hinduism. That is significant,"
>me said.
KTN. NOW THE PROFESSOR OF ASIAN RELIGIONS>
idi maroe picci veeDiki.
>
>"If Hindus can tolerate Parvati and Lakshmi in the nude,
>why not Saraswati?" questions our kaamrad kountEya.
>
>"No. no, nono, our andhra gaarus were not at all offended
>by the nudeness of the Saraswati. Nudity of the goddess is
>not the issue. The choosing of Saraswati and the rendered
>disposition is the committed offense," me said.
SO HAVE NUDE SARASWATHI,PARVATHI,AND JAYAPRADA PICTURES IN YOUR
LIVING ROOM KT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>"Why is that so?" asks our PC Rao.
>
>"Saraswati is rendered with a book in the hand. Saraswati
>is the custodian of knowledge. For our aryaputras, knowledge
>and vEdas are synonymous. By rendering her nude and
>hence implying obscenity (remember there are no sensuous
>artifacts in vEdaanta associated with Saraswati), Hussain
>was indeed giving the abstract interpretation that vEdas
>are obscene and Hinduism is an obscenity." me said.
HUSSAIN DID NOT GIVE ABSTRACT INTERPRETATION ABOUT VEDAS BEING SEXY.
HUSSAIN IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT ABOUT VEDAS.
VEDAS ARE FULL OF THAT SEXY STUFF.ASK YOUR PUROHITUDU.
ASK QUESTIONS IN THE SANSKRIT DIGEST OR TELUSA.
>
>"Many people earlier have said vedas are obscene and vEdism
>is an obscenity. It did not matter for the Hindus," said
>PC Rao.
PCRAO IS CORRECT.
>
>"Yes! That is correct. The dravidian racist EVR and
>all his cElas also say the same. But that doesn't mean it
>is not offensive. It only means that an offense of
>that kind is tolerated by the Hindus. There are historical
>precedents, like the Lingayat movement, that of Palkurki
>SOmanaatha's veeraSaivam etc. They were all side streams,
>but somewhat civilized in that they had a metaphysics
>of their own," me replied.
WHO ARE YOU?ARE NOT YOU A STUDENT OF EVR?
I SAW YOU IN THE CHICAGO VIRASAIVA SABHA?
KT STOP YOUR GARBAGE.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>"Then why does it matter, if Hussain painted a nude Saraswati?"
>asks kaamraaD kountEya.
>
>"It does. The painting is not art. It is a political
>statement on Hinduism and runs in synchrony with the
>negationist philosophy of the p-secular elements of
>the country," me responded.
YOUR MIND IS CONFOOSED KT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
GET A BRAIN TRANSPLANT KT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
GET A PIG BRAIN KT..............................................
>
>"Why?" asked everybody in chorus.
>
>"The Islamic invasions attacked Hindu symbols and
>tyranized the core elements of the Hindu society.
>Our aryaputraas contention is that the negationism
>of modern times is centered on a surreptous attack
>on the same core elements of that society while
>functionally denying repression of yesteryears
>existed," me said.
PROF KT>AN EXPERT ON ISLAM NOW>
ORE! aa turakavaaLLu nee veepu rraaamabhajana caesttaarulae.
kheemaa koTTaestaaru ninnu. jaagarta raa kt.
mee vaaLLaki nee emukalu kooDA miglavu lae.
>"So in order to assess why our aryaputraas are
>enraged, we have to understand that MF Hussain
>is a tool in the hands of the negationists,"
>so me said.
JUST LIKE YOU KT ARE IN THE HANDS OF RSS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>Thus an obscene Saraswati is not a simple issue
>of freedom of expression, but much more than that. It
>has nothing whatsoever to do with our aryaputraas
>intolerance, but every thing to do with the
>undercurrent of the political schism in the country.
>
>
>So much for today...
>
>...kt
THIS IS CONFUSED MIND NETTERS. THis IS NOT NEW TO US.
THIS GUY HAS A NEW MENTAL DISORDER.
PUT UP WITH HIS SH*T.
>
>
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In article <01bbc6cb$a13534a0$3311b8cd@vedula>, "Vedula" says...
>
>PRIYA SODARA SODARI JANULAARA,
> WHY ARE WE DIVIDING OURSELVES BETWEEN DRAVIDA AND ARYA AND MUSLIM. WE ALL
>ARE HINDUSTANIS AND LET US BE PROUD ABOUT THAT. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE SOME
>THING LET THAT BE YOUR PERSONAL OPINION AGAINST A PERSON RATHER THAN
>PORTRAYING IT AS A PROBLEM BETWEEN ARYANS AND DRAVIDIANS OR BETWEEN MUSLIMS
-----------------------------------------------------
HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This costed me 100000 years deletting KTNarayana gattam.
Vedula Vyasulu garu.You please remove this KTNarayana crap when you press
"R" battan in Ur kee bord.
Why VEDULA vyASS garu telling us.Tell Ur ULTRABRAHMIN RACIST KTNarayana.
paeru Narayana caesinavi HIRANYAKASI panlu.siggulaeni janma KTNara....chee!
KT Marayana.
Please voodu Ur sankam in the cevi of Ur brahmin mitra KT Mriga.
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In article <55avi4$p...@lex.zippo.com>, soodra.co...@zippo.com says...
>
>In article <01bbc6cb$a13534a0$3311b8cd@vedula>, "Vedula" says...
>>
>>PRIYA SODARA SODARI JANULAARA,
aaDu ktmaranaya kaadu saar.
aaDi persu K.T.RAVANAYYA
SUDRA MILITRY BHOJANA HOTELU
iidi burra cyaagaraaya kruti paadincaalante KATHIRAVAN KRISHNAMURTY ni
SALVAM SALVAKUMAR gaarini MEENAN VISHNU gaarini EMS ni
DMK ni ANNADURAIni MGRni pilavaali.appudu aalantaa keertanalu paaDi
kt gaariki paaDe kaDturu.siggulaeni janama.paigaa naaraayuDi paereTTinDru
eeDiki.
Vedula
PRIYA SODARA SODARI JANULAARA,
WHY ARE WE DIVIDING OURSELVES BETWEEN DRAVIDA AND ARYA AND MUSLIM. WE ALL
ARE HINDUSTANIS AND LET US BE PROUD ABOUT THAT. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE SOME
THING LET THAT BE YOUR PERSONAL OPINION AGAINST A PERSON RATHER THAN
PORTRAYING IT AS A PROBLEM BETWEEN ARYANS AND DRAVIDIANS OR BETWEEN MUSLIMS
TO ME A PATRIOTIC MUSLIM IS FAR BETTER THAN A HINDU POLITICIAN (LIKE SUKH
RAM)
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