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CNN
Low turnout for anti-American protests in Pakistan
Friday, January 3, 2003 Posted: 12:14 PM EST (1714 GMT)
<<...OLE_Obj...>> "If the US attacks Iraq there will be open war here. No
American will be safe here"
Alliance leader Maulana
Samiul Haq
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- Members of Pakistan's Islamic parties
demonstrated Friday against possible U.S. military action against Iraq, but
turnout was much smaller than organizers had hoped, officials said.
Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, has said Pakistan won't
participate in a U.S.-Iraq war. Foreign Ministry spokesman Aziz Ahmed Khan
told CNN that Pakistan wants a peaceful resolution to the standoff over U.N.
demands that Iraq abandon its alleged pursuit of nuclear, biological or
chemical weapons, but would go along with any U.N. resolution on the issue.
Baghdad has repeatedly denied possessing such weapons.
President Bush has threatened U.S.-led military action if Iraq fails to
comply with U.N. resolutions.
In Islamabad Friday, 400-500 people turned out for a demonstration by the
Muttahida Majlis-e Amal, a coalition of Pakistan's religious parties that
controls two provincial legislatures.
The largest turnout was in the MMA stronghold of Peshawar, capital of
Pakistan's North-West Frontier province, where about 8,000 people listened
to speeches by leaders of the coalition's two largest parties.
"An attack on Iraq by the United States would not only be an attack on the
Iraqi people, it would be an attack on all Muslims of the world," said
Maulana Fazl-ur Rahman, the leader of Pakistan's Jamiat-Ulema-Islam party.
Pakistan's cooperation in the U.S.-led war on terrorism has angered the
country's Islamic leaders, who want U.S. troops and investigators to leave.
But attendance at Friday's demonstrations was much lower than for protests
during the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan in late 2001.
In Karachi, Pakistan's largest city, about 2,000 people showed up, officials
said. In Rawalpindi, fewer than 1,000 people turned out.
Anti-American sentiment in Pakistan has been aggravated by an incident along
the Afghanistan border last weekend that left a U.S. soldier wounded.
During that incident, a U.S. warplane dropped a 500-pound bomb on a building
where the soldier's attacker -- who wore the uniform of Pakistan's border
scouts -- was holed up.
U.S. and Pakistani officials said the airstrike occurred inside Afghanistan,
but Islamic parties in North-West Frontier's provincial assembly said the
target struck was a religious school on the Pakistani side of the border.
Lawmakers passed a resolution demanding Pakistan's federal government file a
protest with U.S. officials over the incident.
The man who shot the soldier was captured and is in Pakistani custody.
BBC News Service
Pakistanis rally against US
Friday, 3 January, 2003, 12:49 GMT
<<...OLE_Obj...>> "If the US attacks Iraq there will be open war here. No
American will be safe here"
Alliance leader Maulana
Samiul Haq
Tens of thousands of Pakistanis have joined marches in cities nationwide to
protest against a possible US-led war against Iraq and US bombing on the
border with Afghanistan.
The protests were called by an alliance of six religious parties that made
significant gains in October elections. Some of the biggest rallies were in
towns and cities bordering Afghanistan.
In Peshawar, several thousand people took to the streets chanting ''Down
with America'' and "Long Live Saddam Hussein."
Numbers were expected to swell as the demonstrations developed during the
day.
FBI presence
The protesters heard Islamic leaders denounce the American military build-up
against Iraq.
One of them, Maulana Fazlur Rehman, said: ''The American attack on Iraq will
be an attack on the Islamic world. If today we cannot stop America from
attacking Iraq, then tomorrow they will attack Iran, and then it could be
Pakistan."
The demonstrators also denounced the presence of FBI officials in Pakistan,
and the American military involvement in Afghanistan.
Rallies were held in dozens of cities but remained mainly peaceful amid a
large presence of riot police.
In Islamabad, about 400 people rallied outside the Red Mosque, some carrying
banners reading ''American Terrorism'' and ''Stop the Holocaust Against
Muslims''.
An alliance leader, Maulana Samiul Haq, said: ''If the US attacks Iraq there
will be open war here. No American will be safe here."
Assembly motion
The anti-US feeling has been exacerbated by a border incident on Sunday.
Pakistan's Government said a US bomb had fallen on its territory near the
border with Afghanistan, contradicting US reports that it had fallen inside
Afghanistan.
The bomb was dropped after the US military in Afghanistan said a patrol came
under fire near the town of Shkin, injuring one American soldier.
It said a Pakistan guard had opened fire after being asked to return to his
side of the border.
The US authorities said later they had a long-standing policy, with the
express consent of the government of Pakistan, to cross from Afghanistan in
pursuit of fugitive Taleban or al-Qaeda militants.
Islamabad has made no official comment on the US assertion.
The US warplane had bombed a disused school where the guard had taken
refuge, reports from Pakistan said.
No-one was hurt in the raid, but it outraged legislators in the
Islamist-ruled North-West Frontier Province.
The provincial assembly approved a unanimous motion on Wednesday condemning
the bombing as a violation of airspace and sovereignty.
King Amdo
british military already are hammering Iraq and her people. What you
mean by war,is, a full invasion and take over. And now the Indian
government, so lost in their 'game' it is, seek to do the same in
Pakistan controlled kashmir, despite the unconvertable fact that this
area (kashmir) is Islamic and no amount of bombing etc is going to
change that. ever. They obviously (Hindu government) should cease
egoising and offer kashmir independence, and certainly not continue
this pyscotic macho stance against Pakistan. the essential fact to
remember is that these are distinct tribal areas, and attempts to
carve out 'nation states' in the (discredited) western sense are
doomed. IAs I say, I stumbled accroos the damning evidence in my own
personnal life proving (at least to myself, if anyone else believes it
or not is another matter) how these whiter than white western nations
are held together....ritualistic rascist child abuse. In the light ov
this the Indian excuctive should seek peace instead of manically
trying to play the same game. As for the americans! I'm doing my best
to unweave the pain, the lies there also. If you wish to see a classic
example of ritualistic abuser's 'untruth' or lie, the sitaution at
'big mountain' USA, is a classic. Protrayed by the christian
government apologists as a local dispute between the Hopi and Dine'h,
in fact this stance hides the reality that both Dine'h and Hopi
traditionals wish the government authorities
to cease the rape ov their tribal temple/lands.
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> Friday, January 3, 2003 Posted: 12:14 PM EST (1714 GMT)
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jackkincaid
> The ritualistic rascist child absusers in the form ov american and
> british military already are hammering Iraq and her people.
Child abusers (or 'absusers'). What is that supposed to mean? And how
can multi-racial countries like the USA and UK be considered racist
(or 'rascist') in comparison to middle eastern countries, most of
which are virtually mono-ethnic?
> What you
> mean by war,is, a full invasion and take over. And now the Indian
> government, so lost in their 'game' it is, seek to do the same in
> Pakistan controlled kashmir, despite the unconvertable fact that this
> area (kashmir) is Islamic and no amount of bombing etc is going to
> change that. ever.
How can a parecl of land be 'Islamic'? Are you saying that soil and
grass and rocks have a religion? Are you saying that the people who
happen to follow Islam in one part of Kashmir will always do so? How
do you know? They may leave - they may emigrate to the USA. They may
convert to Buddhism - or Rastafarianism, for all youi know.
> They obviously (Hindu government) should cease
> egoising and offer kashmir independence,
Why?
> and certainly not continue
> this pyscotic macho stance against Pakistan.
My impression is there are two proposals for Kasmir. One is that it
should become an independent state. The other is that it should remain
part of India. As far as I can see, therefore, Pakistan has nothing to
do with the issue.
> the essential fact to
> remember is that these are distinct tribal areas, and attempts to
> carve out 'nation states' in the (discredited) western sense are
> doomed.
Excuse me, in what sense is the 'western' (actually universal) idea of
the nations state 'discredited'? Given that the most successful
nations in the world tend to have strong national identities, I'd say
you're making no sense. The nation state has been an enormous success
- we usually find that when the concept is denied it as a cover to
some nefarious form of colonialism - in this case, presumably, the
imperial take-over of Kashmir by the (nation state) Pakistan, or else
the wider Islamic empire.
> As I say, I stumbled accroos the damning evidence in my own
> personnal life proving (at least to myself, if anyone else believes it
> or not is another matter) how these whiter than white western nations
> are held together....ritualistic rascist child abuse.
Hmmm-hmmm. Well, I'm here to tell you I live in a western state (I
don't see what 'white' has to do with it - unless you are a racist),
and child absue exists, in all communities, but no more than in any
other country.
> In the light ov
> this the Indian excuctive should seek peace instead of manically
> trying to play the same game.
What 'game'? Why should India hand Kashmir over to people who patently
wish to destroy its indigenous culture? By all means allow it
independence, but not if it is to have a foreign, Talibanist theocracy
imposed upon it. I seriously doubt that is what the people of Kashmir
desire.
> As for the americans! I'm doing my best
> to unweave the pain, the lies there also. If you wish to see a classic
> example of ritualistic abuser's 'untruth' or lie, the sitaution at
> 'big mountain' USA, is a classic. Protrayed by the christian
> government
Christians now. So you don't like 'white' people (but you say you
don't like racism) and you don't like Christians (but presumably would
whine like a baby if your religion were insulted). Sheer hypocrisy.
> apologists as a local dispute between the Hopi and Dine'h,
> in fact this stance hides the reality that both Dine'h and Hopi
> traditionals wish the government authorities
> to cease the rape ov their tribal temple/lands.
The American Indians haven't quite suffered the fate of the western
Indian (now Pakistani) Hindus, in being 'swamped' by an invading army
of foreigners. Let's be grateful that - and that perhaps those Indians
have received a great deal in return for the dimunition of their
'tribal' lands. Pakistan's Hindus and Buddhists didn't even get 40
acres and a mule.