Anti-NRI article in the Times of India
Dr. Jai Maharaj
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[ Subject: Anti-NRI article in Times of India
[ From: "G.Subramaniam" <gsu...@comcast.net>
[ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004
Indiaspora no political ghetto
Times of India
Friday, August 20, 2004
The world's cradle of capitalism is a melting
pot, and Indians would be better off trying not to think
they are an exotic vote bank.
After three centuries of capitalism and
technological advancements, the world has indeed become a
smaller place -- sufficient reason for Indians to snap
out of their ethnic closets.
If the US is giving Indians a chance to make
a living, they should, in turn, engage in the social and
political debates of that country.
Far too much has been made out of the angst
of an exile in a country where so many nationals live
cheek by jowl.
Well-heeled Indians are demonstrably more
racist and shirty than even the Brits of today. They make
pots of money, only to channel them into temples and
restaurants rather than social causes. They would rather
marry not merely fellow Indians, but also those sharing
the same caste and ethnic identity.
If such a community is to be a vote bank in
the US, it will only encourage a conservative politics,
tilted against the weak.
Given these cultural characteristics, a vote
bank of overseas Indians would lean towards the
Republicans.
They should instead be examining their
ghettoised social instincts and speaking up for the
rights of blacks, minorities and all immigrants.
If they move away from being a vote bank and
embrace a larger notion of community, they would
represent all that is best in western liberal values.
Indians would lose none of their Indianness in the
process; on the contrary, they would do their country and
its hoary 'culture' a world of good if they contributed
to social causes back home.
Thus far, overseas Indians have imbibed the
worst of the West -- its wasteful consumer culture -
without drawing on its more liberal antecedents.
As a 1.6 million-strong community, Indians
may fancy themselves as an influential vote bank. But
they are unpopular as well. In an unsafe world, the
latter attribute is a huge disadvantage.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/821094.cms
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[ Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004
Dear Friends,
This a wonderful, inspiring article and I request you to
translate this in all the Indian languages and then published so that
is
widely ciculated to inspire the youth of India.
Vande Mataram
> Subject: IS INDIAN CULTURE OBSOLETE?
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IS INDIAN CULTURE OBSOLETE?Michel Danino
Blaming India's present degradation on her ancient
culture is not merely ignorance, it is dishonesty. And it
is plain to see that those who are fond of such self-
deprecation are usually the very ones who profit from the
present system. They will criticize village superstitions
but will overlook the far worse superstitions of our
perverted "socialism," "secularism," and other high-
sounding isms. They will throw a fit at the least mention
of sati but will not mind if thousands of young Indians
commit suicide every year out of desperation. (Keynote
address presented at the Vivekananda Jayanthi Lecture for
Youth organized by the Bharateeya Vichara Kendram at
Thiruvananthapuram on 12 January 2000)The Angry Young
Indian
If I were to picture myself as a twenty-year-old Indian
today, my answer to this question would have to be a
harsh one. I would have to ask my elders how in fifty
years they managed to bring the nation to such a state of
degradation. I would feel both anger and contempt for the
hordes of politicians and bureaucrats who have been
dutifully bleeding this country white and have turned the
daily life of honest Indians into a hopeless hell. But I
would also ask the many good, honest, capable, cultured
people of this country why they have done so little to
stem the rot, why they have contented themselves with
throwing up their hands in despair and pleading
helplessness-or, at best, with giving fine lectures on
every ill India is ridden with. I might even be cynical
towards programmes such as the one which has brought us
together tonight, asking what they achieve, if anything.
And I may possibly be tempted to do like many of my
friends: go abroad, leave this hell, and fly to some
"heaven" across the seas, where you do not have to pay a
bribe at every step, where you do not have to prove that
you are "backward" before you can move forward, where
your talents can be used rather than crippled-in a word,
where you do not have to feel ashamed of your country.
This, as I have frequently seen, is what many, if not
most, young Indians carry in their hearts. It is a
justified, legitimate if bitter feeling, nurtured by
scores of daily proofs. But I have also seen that it
often goes a step or two further, and our "angry young
Indian," as I will call him or her, may voice the
following feelings (I am summarizing here voices I have
actually heard over the years) : "See how Westerners live
: their cities are modern and clean, people don't dump
garbage all around, trains and buses run on time, there
is no corruption, no illiteracy, they are hard-working,
they have discipline, a civic sense-while we Indians have
none, we are lethargic, we have no courage to fight the
system; hypocrites that we are, we will talk about our
great culture while throwing our rubbish to the other
side of the street or greasing palms at the least demand,
and while crores of us still live in the most abject
misery. All right, maybe we were great two or three or
five thousand years ago, maybe our kings of old were
better than the crooks and criminals who now rule us, but
what good is that ancient culture today, except to
attract a few foreign tourists ? Today, it is the
Westerners who are superior; they don't talk as much as
we do, but they have conquered the world with their
abilities and hard work. They wanted to be 'achievers'
and they achieved; they hunted after success and they
succeeded. And if there is any hope for this country, it
is only in adopting their methods, their science and
technology, their management and trade-nothing else is
going to bring us prosperity, certainly not our
traditions which have degenerated into so much ignorant
superstition : see the caste divisions, see the survival
of sati or child marriage, see the countless barbaric
customs still prevailing in our villages. Who wants to
waste time glorifying all that? And what has our surfeit
of religion achieved, except to make us weak, fatalistic,
always ready to bow to everyone else? Are temples going
to make the country prosperous? Will smearing ashes on
our foreheads help us build the future ? Let's face it :
culture is good for people who have nothing to do. The
sooner we throw out those relics of the past and turn to
healthy rationalism and progressive thinking, the better
for all of us." That, with endless variations of course,
is what most of our young people are fed with more or
less subtly from their schooldays, and every day through
our Westernized media. It represents fairly well today's
conventional thinking, or shall I say the "politically
correct" view of India aired by self-appointed guardians
of our thought. There is a certain amount of truth in
those statements, and we will do well to admit it; but
there is much blindness and facile thinking too, and we
will have to confront it. The part of truth is there for
all to see : True, our cities are generally congested and
unclean, because municipality officials and clerks think
their only duty is to draw their salary. True, we have
millions of illiterates, because our policy makers have
failed to make education not only compulsory and free,
but also stimulating and enriching, and because our
educationists think their duty is done when they have
spoken at a few dozen seminars while the average village
school struggles along without electricity, sometimes
without a roof, and quite often without teachers. Very
true, it is revolting to have to give a bribe for the
smallest certificate, to pay one's admission to a College
and often one's way to a job, because we have come to
accept that the dharma of those in power is to live off
the fat of the land even more shamelessly than our
British rulers ever did. True again, we are generally too
sluggish to protest effectively against this state of
affairs, ready to condemn it in private talk but willing
to condone it in deed. And true also, Indian tradition
has often become cluttered with meaningless minutiae or a
convenient excuse for rigid and retrograde attitudes.
Western "Culture"
So far so good. But there is also an ignorant part in our
angry young Indian's diatribe, a hopelessly idealized
view of the West, and a hopelessly distorted view of
India's heritage. Life in Western society is not as rosy
as all that, and it has its share of corruption, poverty
and illiteracy. But it also has far more essential
problems-otherwise why should a number of Western
thinkers speak with anguish of the West's degeneration?
Why do we constantly hear of some American snatching a
semiautomatic weapon and spraying passers-by with
bullets? Why do a hundred thousand U.S. students go to
school and college every day carrying a weapon? Is it the
West or India which invented manic depression, child
abuse, the psychopath and the serial killer? Or even
simply the "killer" instinct? Why is it that few Western
economies can survive without massive arms sales, most of
the time to Third-World countries, thus fuelling hundreds
of wars around the globe while at the same time preaching
peace and human rights? Do you know what is right now the
hottest bone of contention in Europe? -the beef war
between Britain and France. A few weeks ago, a British
M.P. landed at a French airport brandishing a piece of
beef from her country; not long earlier, her country's
prime minister proudly declared that beef was "central to
British culture." That was, in case you have forgotten,
in defence of the "mad cows"-mad because they are fed
waste from animal flesh. Which is madder, the cow or the
man? And which is more refined? In France, some cattle is
fed with recycled sewage. In that same country,
supposedly the most cultured of the West, hunters
organized in powerful associations and lobbies fiercely
defend their right to kill; the law permits them to enter
your property in pursuit of an animal, you have no right
to stop them; every year they will sit in the path of
migratory birds and shoot thousands of them in flight.
Killing cranes or ducks or pigeons which have been
tirelessly flying over country after country to their
distant nesting grounds is the most refined of pleasures
for those brutes who call themselves men and are proud of
their "advanced civilization." The other day, a Japanese
woman killed her neighbour's daughter because she was too
much of a rival to her own daughter at school-maybe she
thought that was what "cut-throat competition" should
mean in practice? Japan is not the West, you will say-
well, in any case, it is flaunted as a triumph of Asia's
Westernization. I could go on with this sinister
enumeration for hours. But every society has its
aberrations, you may say again, haven't we got quite a
good number of them in India? We certainly do, and
apparently more and more as Indian society clumsily tries
to westernize itself, believing there lies the supreme
panacea. But the instances I have quoted are not
aberrations, they are the logical outcome of the selfish
values of Western society, which is why those
monstrosities are growing not rarer and rarer, but
increasingly frequent, widespread, and insane. Not long
ago, an Indian observed the West closely and said : Its]
institutions, systems, and everything connected with
political governments have been condemned as useless;
Europe is restless, does not know where to turn. The
material tyranny is tremendous. The wealth and power of a
country are in the hands of a few men who do not work but
manipulate the work of millions of human beings. By this
power they can deluge the whole earth with blood. . . .
The Western world is governed by a handful of Shylocks.
All those things that you hear about-constitutional
government, freedom, liberty, and parliaments-are but
jokes. . . . The whole of Western civilisation will
crumble to pieces in the next fifty years if there is no
spiritual foundation. This Indian's birth anniversary we
are commemorating today, and he spoke those words more
than a hundred years ago, on his return from his first
journey to the West. In case you find Swami Vivekananda
too extreme, let me quote one of the Western thinkers I
alluded to just before, a French historian of science,
Pierre Thuillier, who wrote a few years ago a penetrating
analysis of the maladies afflicting the West for all its
talk of "progress" : Westerners remain convinced that
their mode of life is the privileged and definitive
incarnation of "civilization"; they are unable to
understand that this "civilization" has become as fragile
as an eggshell. At the end of the twentieth century,
political, economic and cultural elites behave as if the
gravity of the situation eluded them. . . . Those who
profess to be progressive clearly no longer know what a
culture is; they no longer even realize that a society
can continue to function more or less normally even as it
has lost its soul. . . . In their eyes, a society is dead
only when it is physically destroyed; they do not realize
that the decay of a civilization is inner before anything
else. Or what about the great French writer André
Malraux's observation, "I see in Europe a carefully
ordered barbarism"? I could quote other Western thinkers
to show that there was nothing extreme about Swami
Vivekananda's statement, though his prediction of fifty
years may have been a little wide of the mark. But let me
remind you that he criticized India's own maladies
equally severely, perhaps more severely than anyone else.
Yet he saw too deeply to fall into the common trap of
throwing out the baby with the bathwater, and he always
kept his rock-solid faith in Indian civilization.
Moreover, in America and Europe he met with many
dissatisfied Westerners who were anxious to understand
India's message. Their number has been steadily growing
since then, among scholars and common people alike. The
so-called "New Age" trend of the 1960s owed as much to
India as to America; a number of Western universities
offer excellent courses on various aspects of Indian
civilization, and if you want to attend some major
symposium on Indian culture or India's ancient history,
you may have to go to the U.S.A.; some physicists are not
shy of showing parallels between quantum mechanics and
yogic science ; ecologists call for a recognition of our
deeper connection with Nature such as we find in the
Indian view of the world; a few psychologists want to
learn from Indian insights into human nature; hatha yoga
has become quite popular, ashrams of various hues are not
hard to come by, and gurus and lamas proliferate, some
genuine, others less so; any bookshop will have a corner
for "Asian spirituality," even if much of what is on
offer is in the manner of "yoga without tears," "Tantric
secrets unveiled" or "God-realization in ten lessons." In
France, Buddhism is at present the fastest growing
religion (even as churches are alarmed at a decreasing
attendance, some forced to close), and more than half of
the French population is said to believe in reincarnation
and karma. All that, however jumbled or cheap or
distorted at times, reflects an undeniable need, which
neither science nor Western religions have been able to
meet. The historian Will Durant, writing in the 1950s,
anticipated this phenomenon when he wrote : It is true
that, even across the Himalayan barrier, India has sent
us such questionable gifts as grammar and logic,
philosophy and fables, hypnotism and chess, and, above
all, our numerals and our decimal system. But these are
not the essence of her spirit; they are trifles compared
to what we may learn from her in the future. So, if we
want to understand things at a slightly deeper level than
that of the clichés of the day, we must allow our anger,
however justified, to subside, and start asking a few
serious questions. The first must be : Would there be in
the West such a steadily growing interest in India-I mean
in her spirituality and culture, not in her political and
bureaucratic systems-would there be such a search for
deeper things, however clumsy and confused, if our modern
world was as perfect as we are told? Shall we still say
that Indian culture is just a bundle of superstitions? In
1920, Sri Aurobindo summed up the whole problem in the
following words: The scientific, rationalistic,
industrial, pseudo-democratic civilisation of the West is
now in process of dissolution and it would be a lunatic
absurdity for us at this moment to build blindly on that
sinking foundation. When the most advanced minds of the
occident are beginning to turn in this red evening of the
West for the hope of a new and more spiritual
civilisation to the genius of Asia, it would be strange
if we could think of nothing better than to cast away our
own self and potentialities and put our trust in the
dissolving and moribund past of Europe.
The Tree of Indian Civilization
Now, let me ask you a simple question : If you have in
your garden a huge old tree with some dead branches,
overgrown with creepers and thorns, its foot hidden by
weeds of all kinds, will you decide to fell it, even
though it is still giving you shade, cool air and fruits?
Or won't you rather set to work, clear the weeds and
creepers, chop off the deadwood, prune a few branches
here and there, and give the tree a new youth? The tree
is Indian civilization. It needs to be cleared and
pruned, not felled. "But is it needed at all;" you still
ask, "isn't it unsuited to our modern age?" I will answer
with a truism : "modern" has no meaning-today is always
modern, and yesterday always behind the times ! When
Indians living in Harappan cities invented the decimal
system, they were modern; when, about the same time, they
measured the periods of rotation of the planets, they
were modern; when later they cast the Iron Pillar which
still stands in South Delhi and challenges today's
metallurgists with its non-rusting properties, they were
modern; when they pioneered discoveries in mathematics,
astronomy, surgery, construction and agricultural
techniques, they were modern. Now what is so special
today that suddenly Indians can't be modern anymore?
Aren't our bright students who migrate to the West quite
successful there, even more so than the average
Westerner? Withdraw overnight all Indians from the
U.S.A., and that country will be paralyzed. So Indians
can still be modern, efficient, hard-working-but abroad,
not in India ! Our second serious question must therefore
be : Why this terrible stagnation here in India? There is
no time to detail here the historical causes up to
Independence, so let me just say, rather sketchily, that
from the time of the Indus-Saraswati civilization up to
the Gupta period at least, that is three to four
millennia, we find the Indian subcontinent bursting with
vitality and creativity in every field, constantly
adapting and renewing itself; the decline clearly began
with the repeated waves of Muslim invasions, which
increasingly exhausted that vitality, though without
succeeding in killing it altogether. That made the
British conquest ridiculously easy, and India's torpor
was to the best advantage of the new rulers, who were
shrewd enough to encourage it, slowly and systematically
destroying the remaining life in the country, its native
industries, crafts, and educational system : "English
rule," wrote Sri Aurobindo, ". . . undermined and
deprived of living strength all the pre-existing centres
and instruments of Indian social life and by a sort of
unperceived rodent process left it only a rotting shell
without expansive power or any better defensive force
than the force of inertia."
Post-Independence India
That, in summary, was India's condition at Independence.
But there is no point blaming Muslim or British invaders
when the country has had a full fifty years to rebuild
and revitalize itself. India's tragedy was the direction
imposed upon it after Independence with a blind faith in
a Soviet-type socialistic system, a corresponding
monstrous bureaucracy grafted over an already mammoth
colonial administration, a rigid five-year planning with
a huge and ruinous public sector, an absurd degree of
centralization and nationalization, and a constant
interference in every field of life which gave people the
impression that the government would do everything for
them-which, of course, meant in practice that it did
nothing except grow ever more unwieldy, inefficient,
self-contained, arrogant, corrupt, unaccountable,
oblivious and contemptuous of the man-in-the-street or
the man-in-the-village. Thus have Indians come to
surrender to this new and worse monster all sense of
initiative, all courage to protest, their proverbial
tolerance stretched to the extreme, their no less
proverbial lethargy remaining their sole refuge. Thus
have the many "good, honest, capable, cultured people"
whom I mentioned at the beginning come to shun Indian
politics as the dirty field it has indeed become, a
"goonda-raj" in Sri Aurobindo's words of 1935. Blaming
India's present degradation on her ancient culture or
civilization is not merely ignorance, it is dishonesty.
And it is plain to see that those who are fond of such
self-deprecation are usually the very ones who profit
from the present system. They will criticize village
superstitions but will overlook the far worse
superstitions of our perverted "socialism," "secularism,"
and other high-sounding isms. They will throw a fit at
the least mention of sati but will not mind if thousands
of young Indians commit suicide every year out of
desperation. They will deplore the bane of poverty but
will suggest no concrete action to stop the looting of
the country at the hands of the ruling elite. They will
condemn the caste system while raising one community
against another even more systematically than the British
did, and even though whatever perversion remains in the
caste system would have long disappeared if they had done
their duty and improved the lower classes' economic
condition and education.
What has all this degeneration to do with Indian culture
or tradition ? Indian culture is largely about dharma,
which is doing one's duty sincerely and with all one's
strength. Is that a crime? Ancient scriptures have
thousands of pages on a ruler's duties towards his
subjects-and what do our modern rulers do? Step N°1 :
perversely equate dharma and religion; step N°2 : declare
that secularism demands that religion must be kept
separate from politics; step N°3 : therefore, dharma must
be carefully kept out of politics ! And not only out of
politics, but out of education and public life as well-
out of our brains, out of our lives. And indeed, that is
exactly what has happened over the years : dharma has
been uprooted. So it is no surprise if countless Indians
have developed a mixture of disgust and hatred for all
symbols of authority. "There is no power in the universe
to injure us unless we first injure ourselves,"said Swami
Vivekananda, as always to the point. "Too much of
inactivity, too much of weakness, too much of hypnotism
has been and is upon our race." The only way to rebuild
India is to reverse the tide and get men and women of
quality to reconquer the battlefield instead of running
away from it. Quality means substance, it means "culture"
in the true sense of the term. Indian culture has always
been concerned with the quality of the human being,
because it has always taught that life is not as it
appears, that we have a divine something within us, that
we essentially are that divine something. That is why,
with all its faults, the Indian substance remains among
the best in the world-early European travellers to India
said it, Swami Vivekananda said it, Sri Aurobindo said
it, others said it, and the slightest opportunity can
still show it to the eye that looks deeper than the
surface. This was Rabindranath Tagore's advice to his
fellow Indians : Let me state clearly that I have no
distrust of any culture because of its foreign character.
On the contrary, I believe that the shock of such forces
is necessary for the vitality of our intellectual nature.
. . . What I object to is the artificial arrangement by
which this foreign education tends to occupy all the
space of our national mind and thus kills, or hampers,
the great opportunity for the creation of a new thought
power by a new combination of truths. It is this which
makes me urge that all the elements in our own culture
have to be strengthened, not to resist the Western
culture, but truly to accept and assimilate it, and use
it for our food and not as our burden. . . .But before we
are in a position to stand a comparison with the other
cultures of the world, or truly to co-operate with them,
we must base our own structure on a synthesis of all the
different cultures we have. When, taking our stand at
such a centre, we turn towards the West, our gaze shall
no longer be timid and dazed; our heads shall remain
erect, safe from insult. For then we shall be able to
take our own views of Truth, from the standpoint of our
own vantage ground, thus opening out a new vista of
thought before the grateful world. So if you want to
revitalize the country, tap the real source of life and
strength in yourself to start with. Keep the essence of
this country's long journey through time, keep the core
of its experience; give it as many new forms, as many new
expressions as you wish. No one says we should bring back
the bygone past; that would be a foolish and fruitless
attempt. "Our past with all its faults and defects should
be sacred to us," said Sri Aurobindo, "but the claims of
our future with its immediate possibilities should be
still more sacred." Then, if you find some aspects of
Indian culture outdated, first understand them, then get
rid of them-chop off the deadwood. If you want a
prosperous country, tackle the root causes instead of
being brainwashed by the slogans of the moment -remove
the weeds and creepers. If you want to imitate the West,
imitate its hard work, its energy and self-discipline,
not its crude greed and tragic lack of direction-don't
fell the tree. Preserve it, water it, nourish it, care
for it-it is a magic tree, a life-giving tree, and its
most important fruit is yet to come. "Out of this decay
is coming the India of the future," said Swami
Vivekananda, "it is sprouting, its first leaves are
already out; and a mighty, gigantic tree is here, already
beginning to appear."
LET US NOT FAIL OR WAVER IN OUR DIVINE SERVICE OF OUR
MOTHER LAND.
Jai Bharat
With all the prayers
Bharat Heritage Mailing Team
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loss of BJP in the recent election is due to the party's patronization
of tech-savvy NRI's.
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nearly complete it in a month. That would be nice.. we will definitely make
progress.
"Bush will disarm all workers next" <daksh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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can't do much either. Every scheme hatched by NRI displaces more jobs
than it creates and drives up India's oil imports.
"Aadha Bulli Mullah" <mul...@bulli.net> wrote in message news:<uHi0d.105$sX2.59@trndny09>...
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Govt.?
Bush will disarm all workers next
there because US will pay interest. NRI's carry diseases back and
forth. Nothing else!
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Indian bond when the country was bankrupt.. Why?
Dr. Jai Maharaj
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
In article <f26c87f0.04091...@posting.google.com>,
daksh...@yahoo.com (Bush will disarm all workers next) posted:
Snoopy
Bush will disarm all workers next wrote:
> Japanese and Chinese routinely buy US Treasury Bonds. No big deal
> there because US will pay interest. NRI's carry diseases back and
> forth. Nothing else!
So why are you an NRI?
Prudence
> Rokka baby Rokka!! Heard of Resurgent India Bond? Who bailed the Indian
> Govt.?
Read:
http://www.rediff.com/money/2003/nov/20bank.htm
It is an insult to Indians when NRIs brag that they bailed the Indian
Government out. What was that life threatening situation ahead of the
country in 1998 when the bonds were launched? How did this 5 billion
raised via bonds, save the nation.
Disgusting.
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It is not the falling interest rates but the attitude of the govt. in work,
that stopped me from sending any more money to India. also, I'm seriously
thinking of pulling off whatever money I've got in India. it's not going to
make much of a difference to the govt. which is sitting tight on 100bn usd
forex, but oceans are made from drops of water only.
If the money can start pouring in India in 2003 and make its forex a/c fat,
it can also slowly move out, drying out that well.
with rising oil prices, let's see what Manmohan and PC has to offer.
Aadha Bulli Mullah
against a community and then expect them to keep quiet. I am not bragging
about the NRI community but the fact remains that when the country needed
money they were there. I was one of them.. at that time I had just stepped
into US and had very little savings of my own. I put all the money I had
into the bond eventhough I am not the kind of guy who will save money, for
one and only one reason.. I thought I could do a bi. It is true that I was
one of the guys who withdrew the money after it matured, mainly because the
need for it no more existed and I had my own committments.
I do not know the economics of how the 5 billion helped, for which you guys
can do some research on the web. Howver, I do know that it met the purpose
for which it was launched. What's disgusting about me defending a community
which did it's bit? Remember, before I was called an NRI.. I was just "I"
(pun very much intended).
"Prudence" <newsgrou...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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they were shopping for weapons and importing oil to keep those fighter
jets in the air. There is no difference between the American rednecks
waging wars at the drop of a hat and your kind of NRI's.
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before you bark.
"Bush will disarm all workers next" <daksh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Prudence
> It is not the falling interest rates but the attitude of the govt. in work,
> that stopped me from sending any more money to India. also, I'm seriously
> thinking of pulling off whatever money I've got in India.
And you'll seriously think of putting money back in India once things
start to look very promising. Its keen business sense, nothing wrong.
> it's not going to
> make much of a difference to the govt. which is sitting tight on 100bn usd
> forex, but oceans are made from drops of water only.
True.
> If the money can start pouring in India in 2003 and make its forex a/c fat,
> it can also slowly move out, drying out that well.
> with rising oil prices, let's see what Manmohan and PC has to offer.
So your worry is that rising oil prices will squeeze economy? Your are
wise with your decisions. Don't blame PC and Manmohan for oil prices
going though. Your remittance is welcome, but this nation will
gracefully move forward even if you decide to cutoff your 'few drops'.
Prudence
> Look nobody is bragging.. first people should not make sweeping comments
> against a community and then expect them to keep quiet. I am not bragging
> about the NRI community but the fact remains that when the country needed
> money they were there.
No disagreement about it. But do remember that it was a good
investment decision for most, not a heroic act of patroism. That kind
of re-packaging is bad. Who wouldn't mind borrowing money at 4% and
re-invest the same for 7.5% in a guaranteed scheme?
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> > It is not the falling interest rates but the attitude of the govt. in
work,
> > that stopped me from sending any more money to India. also, I'm
seriously
> > thinking of pulling off whatever money I've got in India.
>
> And you'll seriously think of putting money back in India once things
> start to look very promising. Its keen business sense, nothing wrong.
No, I'll put my money where I'm going to live.
>
>
> > it's not going to
> > make much of a difference to the govt. which is sitting tight on 100bn
usd
> > forex, but oceans are made from drops of water only.
>
> True.
>
> > If the money can start pouring in India in 2003 and make its forex a/c
fat,
> > it can also slowly move out, drying out that well.
> > with rising oil prices, let's see what Manmohan and PC has to offer.
>
> So your worry is that rising oil prices will squeeze economy? Your are
> wise with your decisions. Don't blame PC and Manmohan for oil prices
> going though. Your remittance is welcome, but this nation will
> gracefully move forward even if you decide to cutoff your 'few drops'.
I'm sure that the country will move forward leaps and bounds even if i'm
not alive, that does not makes any diff. at all.
I'm not asking for any special treatment, but yes, i feel discriminated in
my own country.
Aadha Bulli Mullah
Indian Govt. looked forward to a particular community (NRIs) and they
delivered it. You see I do not understand the whole point of this
converstaion since the same guy who is criticising the NRIs could be one of
them if he (or his brother, sister, BIL etc) gets a job overseas and
vice-versa. Now, does it make him/them any different? In effect is he not
criticising himself?
The whole point comes to this.. "What we as Indians (NRIs included) are
going to do as an individual/group/community etc, that can make a difference
to the country" instead of focussing on what another person does or doesn't
do. The whole chain of this thread started with one guy saying NRIs bring
unemployment because of technology which is silly and a biased sweeping
statement. I do know the days when I used to stand in the line for 1 hour
just to pay the telephone bills (it probably is still happening in many
parts of the country) but hey now it is debited from my bank account. Just
imagine the amount of useful time saved for the entire country? So are we
going to crib about the loss of jobs of cashier(s) at the counter or thank
the countless hours saved which could be used for something more useful than
standing in a line. This is just an example. The very fact that this guy is
sitting in some part of India accessing this message board to put forth his
view is due to the technology he seems so averse to, just look at the
exchange of ideas and the reach he or I can get. So what does he want
telegrams and snail mails?
"Prudence" <newsgrou...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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GoI doesn't give handouts to unemployed people. If you make
technology that makes people idle and sends them to farms looking for
jobs, as US has been doing in the technology sector, then you are like
a redneck with a gun pointed at your neighbor to grab his land, house
and family.
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Aadha Bulli Mullah
know what to do given all the extra time you may get with the use of
technology. So, start riding a bullock cart to your work and then please
post your replies by snail mail.. why are using the computer?
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