kannada sAhityada bagge kelavu prashnegaLu
Cosmo Kramer
Just so that I won't embarrass myself in conversations, could someone tell
me which of the following persons are still alive.
SL Bhairappa, trivENi,MK indira, a na kRu,mAsti
A general 'prashne' about kannada sAhitya. Are there any young (famous)
writers/poets around ? As I remember vaguely, most of them seem to be old
or dead. Is this an indication of the demise of kannada literature ?
anupamA niranjana is no more, right ? Did she have cancer ? Was she a doctor ?
Is trivENi a pen-name ? Is the writer male or female ?
How old is U.R. AnanthamUrthi now ? He wrote "samskAra" some time in 1967
or so, right ? Somehow because of the subject matter of "samskAra", I got
the impression that the writer was already experienced at that time.
I am curious as to which writers concentrate on social issues in their
stories (like samskAra) and which of them concentrate on personal stories
(like beLLimODa ). Any comments ?
Thanks to Kulki, Mahesh and Pavanaja for their excellent list of "kannada
uttama pustakagaLu" which fueled my dormant interest. Hopefully now, I'll
have answers to my questions to keep my curiosity alive.
dhanyavAdagaLu
-Subbu
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Vinayaka S Hunasekoppa
Cosmo Kramer wrote:
>
> Just so that I won't embarrass myself in conversations, could someone tell
> me which of the following persons are still alive.
> SL Bhairappa, trivENi,MK indira, a na kRu,mAsti
S.L. Byrappa is with us. In fact he attended the Kannada 'Sammelana'
which was held in Phoenix a few months ago. I'm not very sure about
M.K. Indira, but all others are not with us today.
>
> A general 'prashne' about kannada sAhitya. Are there any young (famous)
> writers/poets around ? As I remember vaguely, most of them seem to be old
> or dead. Is this an indication of the demise of kannada literature ?
>
Please! This is our biggest problem. Just because we have lost
touch with our land/language/culture those things won't die. Probably
you are talking about
the litterateurs of 'Navodaya' movement time like Kuvempu, Bendre,
B.M.Shree,
Masthi, Karantha. Then we had a relatively short period of
"Paragathisheela"
movement which produced writers like Niranjana. The next movement
"Navya" was
as prominent as "Navodaya" itself. Gopalakrishna Adiga, U.R.
Ananthamurthy,
K.P.P. Tejasvi, P. Lankesh, Chandrashekhara Kambara, Yashavantha
Chitthala,
Shanthinatha Desai, Girish Karnad are some prominent names from that era
in
creative literature. My feeling is that poets like K.S. Narasimhaswamy
and
Chennaveera Kanavi somewhat belong to both "Navodaya" and "Navya"
movements.
One of the great developments of "Navya" movement was
that literary criticism evolved as a strong force and produced a lot of
excellent modern critics.
Then from "Bandaya/Dalitha" and "Navyotthara" times we have people like
Devanooru
Mahadeva, H.S. Shivaprakash, D.R. Nagaraj.
Unfortunately I also have lost touch with our literature for more than a
decade
now and have definitely missed a great deal. I feel very bad about
that.
> anupamA niranjana is no more, right ? Did she have cancer ? Was she a doctor ?
She was a medical doctor. She had cancer. I think she is no more.
>
> Is trivENi a pen-name ? Is the writer male or female ?
She is a female. Triveni's real name is Anasuya Shankara.
>
> How old is U.R. AnanthamUrthi now ? He wrote "samskAra" some time in 1967
> or so, right ? Somehow because of the subject matter of "samskAra", I got
> the impression that the writer was already experienced at that time.
>
Ananthamurthy might be in sxties now. He even taught English
literature here in the US, for sometime.
> I am curious as to which writers concentrate on social issues in their
> stories (like samskAra) and which of them concentrate on personal stories
> (like beLLimODa ). Any comments ?
>
> Thanks to Kulki, Mahesh and Pavanaja for their excellent list of "kannada
> uttama pustakagaLu" which fueled my dormant interest. Hopefully now, I'll
> have answers to my questions to keep my curiosity alive.
>
Definitely Pavanaja is the best online source for us.
Vinayaka S Hunasekoppa
Cosmo Kramer wrote:
>
> Just so that I won't embarrass myself in conversations, could someone tell
> me which of the following persons are still alive.
> SL Bhairappa, trivENi,MK indira, a na kRu,mAsti
S.L. Byrappa is with us. In fact he attended the Kannada 'Sammelana'
which was held in Phoenix a few months ago. I'm not very sure about
M.K. Indira, but all others are not with us today.
>
> A general 'prashne' about kannada sAhitya. Are there any young (famous)
> writers/poets around ? As I remember vaguely, most of them seem to be old
> or dead. Is this an indication of the demise of kannada literature ?
>
Please! This is our biggest problem. Just because we have lost
touch with our land/language/culture those things won't die. Probably
you are talking about the litterateurs of 'Navodaya' movement time like
Kuvempu, Bendre, B.M.Shree, Masthi, Karantha. Subsequent to that we
Vinayaka S Hunasekoppa
Vinayaka S Hunasekoppa
Definitely Pavanaja is one of the the best online sources for those
of us who are away from the home.
Vinayaka Hunasekoppa
vas...@hotmail.com
In article <cosmo-19059...@trumpet.ee.cornell.edu>,
co...@kramer.edu (Cosmo Kramer) wrote:
>
>
> Just so that I won't embarrass myself in conversations, could someone tell
> me which of the following persons are still alive.
> SL Bhairappa, trivENi,MK indira, a na kRu,mAsti
>
group of merchants who is travel across india in and around 8th century) has
been released. He lives in mysore.
> A general 'prashne' about kannada sAhitya. Are there any young (famous)
> writers/poets around ? As I remember vaguely, most of them seem to be old
> or dead. Is this an indication of the demise of kannada literature ?
>
around. Some of the notable are jayanth kAykiNi, mogalli ganesh, amaresh
nugadoni, ravi belagere, kum vi, abdhul rasheed and many others.
> anupamA niranjana is no more, right ? Did she have cancer ? Was she a doctor
?
Yes. Yes. Yes.
>
> Is trivENi a pen-name ? Is the writer male or female ?
>
Yes. Female. (anusUya is her name)
> How old is U.R. AnanthamUrthi now ? He wrote "samskAra" some time in 1967
> or so, right ? Somehow because of the subject matter of "samskAra", I got
> the impression that the writer was already experienced at that time.
>
should be around 65.
> I am curious as to which writers concentrate on social issues in their
> stories (like samskAra) and which of them concentrate on personal stories
> (like beLLimODa ). Any comments ?
>
It is difficult to answer this question.
> Thanks to Kulki, Mahesh and Pavanaja for their excellent list of "kannada
> uttama pustakagaLu" which fueled my dormant interest. Hopefully now, I'll
> have answers to my questions to keep my curiosity alive.
>
> dhanyavAdagaLu
> -Subbu
>
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>
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Hi,
My answers, not so complete, are inserted....
co...@kramer.edu (Cosmo Kramer) wrote:
>
>
> Just so that I won't embarrass myself in conversations, could someone tell
> me which of the following persons are still alive.
> SL Bhairappa, trivENi,MK indira, a na kRu,mAsti
SL Bhairappa is alive
Triveni is dead at very young age, 34
MK Indira dead at the age of mid 70's
a na kru dead at the age of 80 (??)
masti dead....at the age of 96
>
> A general 'prashne' about kannada sAhitya. Are there any young (famous)
> writers/poets around ? As I remember vaguely, most of them seem to be old
> or dead. Is this an indication of the demise of kannada literature ?
Still there are many around:
Jayanth Kaikini,Vivek, BR Laxman Rao, MN Vyasa Rao, S. Manjunath,
Prathibha Nandakumar,.... are all poets
Of the older generation Pu. Ti. Na. and KS Narasimhaswamy are still alive.
From no-so-old generation Laxminarayana Bhat, Nissar Ahamed, P.Lankesh,
KV Tirumalesh, Vaidehi, etc...
>
> anupamA niranjana is no more, right ? Did she have cancer ? Was she a doctor
?
YES. YES. YES. You are right on all the count.
> Is trivENi a pen-name ? Is the writer male or female ?
Female writer. Triveni's pen name is Triveni!!
FYI- she was neice of BM Shri. Her sister is Aryambha Pattabhi (author of
famous novel bangarad hoovu).
>
> How old is U.R. AnanthamUrthi now ? He wrote "samskAra" some time in 1967
> or so, right ? Somehow because of the subject matter of "samskAra", I got
> the impression that the writer was already experienced at that time.
>
He is around 62.
> I am curious as to which writers concentrate on social issues in their
> stories (like samskAra) and which of them concentrate on personal stories
> (like beLLimODa ). Any comments ?
Chaduranga (around 80+), Lankesh, Tejaswi, Vyasa Rao Ballal,Mogalli Ganesh,
Boluvaru Mohammad kuyin...
Chaduranga has written new novel, Hejjala, to be released.
On the personal stories..you can find many Vasumathi Udapa, Bharathi Keshava,
Kehsava Malagi, CN Muktha, Kakolu Saroja Rao, Sai Suthe, ...
sheshadrivasu
namaskAra,
su-sh...@rocketmail.com wrote:
> a na kru dead at the age of 80 (??)
> masti dead....at the age of 96
>
a.na.kRu died at the age of 63.
shree Vinayaka HuNasEkoppa wrote....
>Kuvempu, Bendre, B.M.Shree, Masthi, Karantha. Subsequent to that we
>had a relatively short period of "Paragathisheela" movement which
>produced writers like Niranjana. The next movement "Navya" was
>as prominent as "Navodaya" itself. Gopalakrishna Adiga,
It is not "paragathisheela". It is called "pragathisheela".
Regards
Vasu
Vinayaka S Hunasekoppa
I knew that. It was a 'typo' error. Thanks for pointing it out.
>
> Regards
> Vasu
Subramanya Rao
In article <6jti1n$8...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
vinay...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> you are talking about the litterateurs of 'Navodaya' movement time like
> Kuvempu, Bendre, B.M.Shree, Masthi, Karantha. Subsequent to that we
> had a relatively short period of "Paragathisheela" movement which
> produced writers like Niranjana. The next movement "Navya" was
> as prominent as "Navodaya" itself. Gopalakrishna Adiga,
> U.R. Ananthamurthy, K.P.P. Tejasvi, P. Lankesh, Chandrashekhara
> Kambara, Yashavantha Chitthala, Shanthinatha Desai, Girish Karnad
> are some prominent names from that era in creative literature.
> My feeling is that poets like K.S. Narasimhaswamy and Chennaveera Kanavi
> somewhat belong to both "Navodaya" and "Navya" movements.
> One of the great developments of "Navya" movement was
> that literary criticism evolved as a strong force and produced a lot of
> excellent modern critics.
> Then from "Bandaya/Dalitha" and "Navyotthara" times we have people like
> Devanooru
> Mahadeva, H.S. Shivaprakash, D.R. Nagaraj.
>
Thanks to everyone who responded to my questions. The above classification
gives to rise to many more questions in my mind. I admit that I wasn't
much of a literature person when I was back home, so I had only heard of
the literateurs belonging to the "navodaya" movement.
Anyway, my question is whether the above classification is just based on
time, or do they differ significantly in terms of style too ? How does the
Navya movement differ from "navodaya" apart from the literary criticism
aspect ? Also in what sense was the "pragathisheela" movement progressive,
is it in terms of the topics tackled ?
Though I had heard of kambara and Karnad, I am more interested in books
and poetry. I feel that "nATakas" belong to a different category. So I
didnt consider them.
Interesting that there's a "dalitha" movement too. I had somehow
associated "dalit" literature more with Maharashtra (my knowledge is
limited, of course). Do you know about what group of people (and where in
Karnataka) does the "dalitha" literature focus on ?
Also what does "navyotthara" mean, i mean what does the suffix "otthara"
signify? Pardon me, but my kannada seems to be rusty too.
Vinayaka S Hunasekoppa
Time was also important as these different trends dominated the scene
in a roughly sequential manner. While 'Navodaya' was romantic and
idealistic, 'Navya' was more realistic, individualistic and it
concentrated more on intricacies of human relationship.
'Pragathisheela' was really 'progressive' and dealt with
social issues.
>
> Though I had heard of kambara and Karnad, I am more interested in books
> and poetry. I feel that "nATakas" belong to a different category. So I
> didnt consider them.
>
Wasn't Shakespeare important to English literature ?! Amateur theatre
in Karnataka borrowed heavily from the works of playwrights like
Kambara, Karnad and "ShreeRanga".
> Interesting that there's a "dalitha" movement too. I had somehow
> associated "dalit" literature more with Maharashtra (my knowledge is
> limited, of course). Do you know about what group of people (and where in
> Karnataka) does the "dalitha" literature focus on ?
"Dalitha" attempted to represent the oppressed class in the society.
Barring a few writers like Devanuru Mahadeva, I always thought that,
"Dalitha" writers limited themselves to just superficial slogans
and failed to produce quality literature.
>
> Also what does "navyotthara" mean, i mean what does the suffix "otthara"
> signify? Pardon me, but my kannada seems to be rusty too.
>
> -Subbu
>
"Navyotthara", which simply means post-"Navya", was a term coined by
some experts while they were trying to identify a distinct trend
after "Navya"/"Bandaya"/"Dalitha" times. "Navya" + "Utthara"
= "Navyotthara".
BTW, thanks for bringing up a topic which is really relevant to
this group.
Vinayaka Hunasekoppa
U.Mahesha
Regarding the Dalitha Sahitya, one should not forget to mention Kum.
Veerabhadrappa who is an excellent author, who writes about the life of the
oppressed classes in their own language. Each story by him is a gem.
Vinayaka S Hunasekoppa wrote in message
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Subramanya Rao
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"U.Mahesha" <delt...@qatar.net.qa> wrote:
> Regarding the Dalitha Sahitya, one should not forget to mention Kum.
> Veerabhadrappa who is an excellent author, who writes about the life of the
> oppressed classes in their own language. Each story by him is a gem.
Could anyone mention the good works of Kum Veerabhadrappa and Devanuru
Mahadeva, please ?
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> Vinayaka S Hunasekoppa wrote in message
> >Wasn't Shakespeare important to English literature ?! Amateur theatre
> >in Karnataka borrowed heavily from the works of playwrights like
> >Kambara, Karnad and "ShreeRanga".
I think I should correct my statement and speak purely from my point of
view and not from the critics or experts point of view:
When judged purely as a written body of work, plays (and movie
screenplays) lack the narration, description of events and thought
processes (and emotional states) of the characters which are provided in
books/novels/poems. Therefore the reader has to fill all these aspects by
himself by extrapolating from the characters' dialogue. For me, this is
very difficult to do. Hence I believe that for a play to be complete, one
must judge it along with it's stage production where a good director and
actor can provide the things that I mentioned above. So I feel that
nATakas belong to a different category ... just my personal preference.
Your point reg. Shakespeare is quite valid. But I'd prefer Dickens over
Shakespeare any day.
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> >"Navyotthara", which simply means post-"Navya", was a term coined by
> >some experts while they were trying to identify a distinct trend
> >after "Navya"/"Bandaya"/"Dalitha" times. "Navya" + "Utthara"
> >= "Navyotthara".
Thanks, so I see three different meanings for "Utthara"
1) ANSWER (Initially I thought "Navyotthara" was a
response/answer/challenge to "Navya" ... so I was confused)
2) POST- ( as in "Navyotthara" or "Uttara-Ramayana") signifying the
aftermath of an event.
3) NORTH ("Utthara Dhruva")
I can understand the connection between 1) and 2) since an answer follows
a question, so can be construed as a "post-question". But can anyone
familiar with the etymology of the word explain how the third meaning can
be related to the first two. Sanskrit scholars, anyone ?
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Cheers
su-sh...@rocketmail.com
In article <cosmo-25059...@trumpet.ee.cornell.edu>,
co...@kramer.edu (Subramanya Rao) wrote:
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> "U.Mahesha" <delt...@qatar.net.qa> wrote:
> > Regarding the Dalitha Sahitya, one should not forget to mention Kum.
> > Veerabhadrappa who is an excellent author, who writes about the life of
the
> > oppressed classes in their own language. Each story by him is a gem.
>
> Could anyone mention the good works of Kum Veerabhadrappa and Devanuru
> Mahadeva, please ?
>
Dalitha and Bandaya both are different. Bandaya was represented by people
like Bargur, Kum.vi etc. Dalitha was represented by Devanoor, Siddhalingiah,
Arvind malgitti ....
'Bete' (I think this was made as "mana mechchida hudugi"??), Dore, Benki-male,
and numerous other short stories are there by Kum. Vi
"oDalALa", "dyavanooru", "kusumabalE', "Dambaru banthu"... are all Devarnoors.
Ravi Kumar
This thread is marvelously interesting. I hope it is kept
alive for a while. I will however, address only one part of
this debate viz, comparing the works of plays to novels.
I think a play should be judged as a combination of literature
and performance. Each judged by itself gives an incomplete
picture. A novel's admiration is limited to your imagination
and intelligence. i.e. you'll like it as far as you understand it.
However, a play, with talanted artists, music etc. can have
a profound impact. Of course it depends on the calibre of the
artists presenting, but a play has to be judged along with the
artists. One figure of merit of a play is, how easy it is for
an artist of average calibre to excel in it.
I think english literature appreciates shakespeare mainly because
of the thousands of performance which presented the literature to
the people.
Judged as only literature, many things are missed while reading
a play. I had the fortune to play one of the main roles for
Karanth's "panjara shaale". (this was much much before there was
TV in Bangalore/Karnataka). Karanth himself along with his wife
helped direct the play several times when we performed in R.
Kalakshetra.
Frequently we could see a little frustration because we, the artists
(I was 11 year then :-)) had misinterpreted many a scene.
Subramanya Rao wrote:
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> "U.Mahesha" <delt...@qatar.net.qa> wrote:
> > Regarding the Dalitha Sahitya, one should not forget to mention Kum.
> > Veerabhadrappa who is an excellent author, who writes about the life of the
> > oppressed classes in their own language. Each story by him is a gem.
>
> Could anyone mention the good works of Kum Veerabhadrappa and Devanuru
> Mahadeva, please ?
>
--
Cheers,
-- Ravi Kumar, Senior Design Engineer, Centaur Technology, Austin, TX
Ashok
In article <356B28...@centtech.com>, r_a...@centtech.com says...
>
>......... I had the fortune to play one of the main roles for
>TV in Bangalore/Karnataka). Karanth himself along with his wife
>helped direct the play several times when we performed in R.
>Kalakshetra.
>-- Ravi Kumar, Senior Design Engineer, Centaur Technology, Austin, TX
Were you in the cast when it was staged in Baal Bhavan in Cubbon
Park? That's where I saw it. It was amazing. The entire cage
gets constructed from scratch in front of the audience.
What role did you play? :)
Ashok
Subramanya Rao
> In article <356B28...@centtech.com>, r_a...@centtech.com says...
> >
> >......... I had the fortune to play one of the main roles for
> >Karanth's "panjara shaale". (this was much much before there was
> >TV in Bangalore/Karnataka). Karanth himself along with his wife
> >helped direct the play several times when we performed in R.
> >Kalakshetra.
>
> >-- Ravi Kumar, Senior Design Engineer, Centaur Technology, Austin, TX
That's B.V. and Prema Karanth, I suppose. Or are you talking of the late
Shivarama Karanth ? If it was the former did B.V. actually write the play
?
Cheers
Ravi Kumar
Now, that's *simply* amazing. Someone who actually saw my play.
Yes. I was in the play in Cubbon park. Actually I had the main
role. (The aLiyaraaja).
For those interested here is a brief summary of the play.
A bird is caught eating the king's garden's fruits. The new age
aLiyaraaja suggests that the bird be educated so that it realizes
the folly of stealing. The bird is caged and several scholars
try to teach it a variety of things. But the poor bird eventually
dies.
Music for the drama was provided by Sri. C. Ashwath. Karanth's wife
provided costumes. We played in R. Kalaakshetra, and Baal bhawan.
(several performances). The show was so popular we toured to Hassan
etc. for a performance. The funny thing about Hassan was where we
played. It was an open air theater. Some sort of a 'sante'. The
platform was cleaned with 'sagaNi neeru' and a few of the kids
refused to come aboard! (mostly the girls). We had the time of
our lives seeing them squirm.
Eventually TV people were also interested
in us (Hyderabad TV). Here they found that I was too dark!!! So I
was given a different role and a good friend of mine was given
the part. Man, had it been today I coulda sued thier a*#!!
Ashok wrote:
>
> In article <356B28...@centtech.com>, r_a...@centtech.com says...
> >
> >......... I had the fortune to play one of the main roles for
> >Karanth's "panjara shaale". (this was much much before there was
> >TV in Bangalore/Karnataka). Karanth himself along with his wife
> >helped direct the play several times when we performed in R.
> >Kalakshetra.
>
> >-- Ravi Kumar, Senior Design Engineer, Centaur Technology, Austin, TX
>
> Were you in the cast when it was staged in Baal Bhavan in Cubbon
> Park? That's where I saw it. It was amazing. The entire cage
> gets constructed from scratch in front of the audience.
>
> What role did you play? :)
>
> Ashok
--
-- Best Regards
Ravi Kumar Centaur Technology, Austin, TX
Ravi Kumar
It was Shivaram Karanth.
Subramanya Rao wrote:
>
> > In article <356B28...@centtech.com>, r_a...@centtech.com says...
> > >
> > >......... I had the fortune to play one of the main roles for
> > >Karanth's "panjara shaale". (this was much much before there was
> > >TV in Bangalore/Karnataka). Karanth himself along with his wife
> > >helped direct the play several times when we performed in R.
> > >Kalakshetra.
> >
> > >-- Ravi Kumar, Senior Design Engineer, Centaur Technology, Austin, TX
>
> That's B.V. and Prema Karanth, I suppose. Or are you talking of the late
> Shivarama Karanth ? If it was the former did B.V. actually write the play
> ?
>
> Cheers
> Subbu
>
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