Jai : Manisharma's music : Tamil Film Music
Visaga Karthikeyan
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1.Shockadikudhu penne - Ranjith,Suchitra
2.Aazhaku neyya - Valee
3.Alek - Shankar Mahadevan, Kalpana
1.Medhu Medhuva - S.P.B, Chitra
2.Kanna Simitina - Karthik, Mahalakshmi
3.Kanavu kaanalaam - Vijay Jesudoss, Chitra
Lyrics:
1.Pa.Vijay
2.Valee
3.Vairamuthu
4.Thamarai
5.Pa.Vijay
6.Ilakiyan
M.R.P.Rs.40
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BRP
Please don't post any info about other languages, other than KANADA...
"Visaga Karthikeyan" <mavallim...@yahoo.co.in> wrote in message
news:d6d8b4da.04031...@posting.google.com...
Madhu Sudhan
> Hello.
>
> Please don't post any info about other languages, other than KANADA...
>
>
>
There are 50% non-Kannada speaking people in Karnataka and we can
speak, pay taxes and have all rights. Your attempts to disenfranchise
then will not work. You have too in other states and groups. If you
want only kannada language program, start a culture.kannada. Then we
dont care.
Cant help you.
Mikka nanri. Meendum sandhippom
Thiruga nodoNa. Modhlu swalpa mariyadhe kalthko!
Madhu Sudhan
>
> Please don't post any info about other languages, other than KANADA...
>
>
>
> "Visaga Karthikeyan" <mavallim...@yahoo.co.in> wrote in message
> news:d6d8b4da.04031...@posting.google.com...
> Jai : Manisharma's music
> ------------------------
ThiruvaaLar Karthikeyan avargale. IvargaL mozhi veRi pidiththa
manidharrkaaga neengaL ungalL padaippugaLai niRuththa vendam endru
paNivanbudan kettukkoLgiren. NiRuthinaal avargaL vetri adaindhadhaaga
ninaippaargaL . Matrum mozhi veRi vaLarum
Nandri
BRP
From: "Smitha" <donts...@mail.gatech.edu>
Subject: Re: Stupid tamilians
Date: Monday, 24 November, 2003 05:51 AM
I am open to the regular members of the group coming up with some solution
to stop cross postings.
Is anyone else interested to work out a solution?
Smitha
"Balaji Murthy" <bmu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bpgq7s$4nk$1...@news01.intel.com...
> There is a solution. But it would take a little work someone's part. We
> could go the SCIT (Telugu) way. The group is still unmoderated, but
doesn't
> allow any cross posts. The solution would work both for likes of Jai
Maharaj
> and crossposting Tamilians.
>
> We need some internal discussion as to whether that is the solution.
>
> - Balaji
>
> "Nijju" <s_en...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:15b2f9a3.03111...@posting.google.com...
> > Very nosy, loud and interfering. This is no exception. Thay are
> > mannerless to the core...
> >
> >
> >
> > Nikhil Devanur <nikREMOV...@cc.gatech.edu> wrote in message
> news:<bpde2d$sgu$2...@solaria.cc.gatech.edu>...
> > > GSB <gtg...@mail.gatech.edu> wrote:
> > > > This newsgroup is beginning to look more like a Tamil newsgroup than
a
> > > > Karnataka one. I realize there are Tamil, Telugu, Tulu, etc etc
other
> > > > language people in large numbers in Karnataka, but of late it
includes
> > > > messages and poems and films in Tamil, which many people do not
> understand.
> > > > (I understand Tamil, so please do not flame me). When I notice that
> these
> > > > messages are cross posted to the Bengali and Punjab newsgroups too,
it
> makes
> > > > me think that the posters just want to post somewhere - doesn't
really
> > > > matter where. And where there is a message pertaining to Karnataka,
> its so
> > > > swamped by these other messages (and those from Jai Maharaj, no
> offense
> > > > meant) that it is difficult to notice it and respond to it.
> > >
> > > > Don't the regulars of this group find this annoying?
> > > > Will the cross posters and Tamil posters please stop?
> > > > Can anyone suggest what can be done by the members to stop this
trend?
> The
> > > > best way to counter flame is to ignore it, but in this case the
> posters
> > > > don't seem to care if anyone replies or not.
> > >
> > >
> > > cross posting is a big pain. i suggest that you try using a kill file.
> > > here's part of my kill file (i use tin to read the newsgroup)
> > >
> > > #####
> > > group=soc.culture.indian.karnataka
> > > type=0
> > > case=0
> > > score=kill
> > > from=*karikal...@mindless.com*
> > > #####
> > > group=soc.culture.indian.karnataka
> > > type=0
> > > case=0
> > > score=kill
> > > from=*neel...@fastmail.fm*
> > > #####
> > > group=soc.culture.indian.karnataka
> > > type=0
> > > case=0
> > > score=kill
> > > from=*sunni...@yahoo.com*
> > > #####
> > > group=soc.culture.indian.karnataka
> > > type=0
> > > case=0
> > > score=kill
> > > from=*mavallim...@yahoo.co.in*
> > > #####
> > > group=soc.culture.indian.karnataka
> > > type=0
> > > case=0
> > > score=kill
> > > from=*platin...@hotmail.com*
> > > #####
>
>
"Madhu Sudhan" <tripur...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:81b78a45.04040...@posting.google.com...
Sham Kashyap
karnataka. So, its goal is to serve the people of karnataka. Now, if you
people (Tamilians in this case) agree that you belong to karnataka, how
many of you speak/read/write kannada? Why should you do so? Well Kannada
is the official language of the state.
In the same lines, this news group is expected to discuss things that
are relevant to the state and its people. Lets take it for granted that
only 50% of karnataka is occupied by Kannadigas. Tamilians are not the
other 50%. Hence your tamil postings here are of no use. Moreover, how
many tamilians in Karnataka have subscribed to this newsgroup? How do u
know that all of them are benifitted by your stupid postings... most
probably NONE!!! You know why? if they are really interested in
newsgroups...they will have enlisted in some tamil group. Its not that
you can not access those groups sitting in Karnataka right?
Be sensible. The only people you are reaching out here are Kannadigas
who shall get frustrated about you and your language. Why do you want to
denigrate your own people and language?
Right now, I do not hate you or your language. At the same time, I do
not want to know about it either. If you keep sending those stupid
messages, half the people hear will hate you,your language and your
culture. Now, being a tamilian, would you like to be in a place where
people hate you? Remember what happened during the Kaveri riots...
Just keep your mouth shut while you are herea and you will be allright.
Madhu Sudhan
> India is one, unity etc is allright.. but this is a news group for
> karnataka. So, its goal is to serve the people of karnataka. Now, if you
> people (Tamilians in this case) agree that you belong to karnataka, how
> many of you speak/read/write kannada? Why should you do so? Well Kannada
> is the official language of the state.
You are wrong. The constitution of India clearly outlines that no
person in any state should be under any compulsion to be coerced or
forced to speak in the language of the state. They can choose any
language of their choice.
Secondly you wont be even able to define who a kannadiga is or a
Tamilian is. Difficult in India if you know anything. Your name
indicates your ancestors should be in Kashmir or aroung Saraswathi
river and not in Mtsore region at all. You are foreign to the land any
way. Also note that your name should be Shyam and not Sham! You are
false any way!
What you say pertains to a kannada group and not to a karnataka
gruop. Start a soc.kannada gruop. You cannot shut up the nonkannada
people of Karnataka from sharing their experiences by imposing kannada
hegemony and aggression.
You should know who should shut up.
Dont talk of cauvery.
Ask Supreme Court and why the Chif Minister S.M. Kamsa apologised and
went on his knees. You dont seem to know much and that is typical of
fanatics.
Thiruga nodoNa
Sham Kashyap
know how stupid a tamilian can get. No wonder where ever you people go,
there is a problem right there.
Do us a favor please, when you write your messages, will you always put
"Tamil Message" in the subject ?
For all the kannadigas,
If the kongati sends any message like that, we can easily filter it out
and practically take out this idiot's message from our newsbox.
Madhu Sudhan
By now it should be obvious to any one who watched all this, the
kannada fanatics never ever discuss any thing but juts shower abuse
and threaten to beat up etc if any one disagrees.
You showed no capacity to debate and discuss and have no knowledge,
skill, culture or patience, a charcteristic shared by all kannada
fanatics that I have observed for a long time. It is no wonder the
supreme court spat on the face of the CM of Karnataka last year and
openly asked him why Karnataka fights with * all* her neighbours.
Shame this culture previously known for hospitality,gentleness and
tradition has descended into this darkness by fanatics such as Vatal
Nagaraj., Sham Kashyap etc. I am ashamed your name is Kashyap, the
name of a maharishi. I think you should renounce the name and call
your self a barbarian.
I agree with your solution though. The best thing to do if you dont
want to respond to a post that is of no interest to you is not
respond. Why this hysteria if I post something that is of some
interest to fellow Tamilians in Karnataka who number two to three
million at least.
Get civilised. You seem to know nothing.
Sham Kashyap
OK 2 million tamilians have come to live in Karnataka.
They want to get tamil news, they want to watch tamil entertainment.
What do they do? Do they enforce to put tamil programs in DD 9 or other
kannada channels? No for some strange reason, they opt to watch sun
TV!!! how strange is that? why would not they picket the tv station and
fight for their rights... are they mad ? or were they a bit sensible
this one time only?
If you can not take a hint here, let me explain. DD 9/Udaya are tv
channels dedicated to air kannada programs to the viewers of Karnataka.
If a person not living in Karnataka wants to watch kannada programmes,
he has to take a suitable connection that avails him to. The channel is
for the majority. If the minority does not like to watch these channels,
they can choose to watch other channels. Similarly, if you are in
Karnataka and want to get Tamil news, go to newsgroups dedicated to
Tamil news.
It does not take a kannada fanatic to figure it out. But there are some
strange people in this world too.. they have "TAMIL" and only TAMIL
written everywhere on their brain. So, paapa the only thing they can do
is denigrate others, praise Tamil and nurture terrorists.
"shame this culture previously known for hospitality,gentleness and
tradition has descended into this darkness by fanatics such as Vatal
Nagaraj., Sham Kashyap etc"
This statement is the height of cultural blindness (and incorrect
grammar). Why are you so adamant about sending tamil news to this
newsgroup... aren't you fanatical about your own language ?..you are
trying to spread it into states where that language is not a
majority.... why do you want to do it? ask yourself.. are you less
fanatical than I am? If this is being fanatic, to hell with tolerance.
If my guest behaves properly, that person will get the hospitality he
deserves. If he wants to take away a part of my house and stay their
permanently, I have to throw that person away...
Karnataka fights with all her neighbours because, most of them like you
my friend take advantage of our hospitality.
Let me comment on your logic here.
1. Tamilians are in huge numbers in karnataka. So, you have to post your
messages, right...
I said if Tamilians want to read their news, they can subscribe to
tamilan groups...(This is beneficial for them because they can get all
their 'important' tamilian news together at one place). for this our
dumbwit here does not have any answer.
2. I do not want to make personal comments because its not the person
but two languages that are in question. But this person chooses to find
faults in people's names, people's background.For him its more important
to hurt a person's feelings than to challenge the logic.
3. The fact that we use a common language to communicate tells us that
we should discuss things that are COMMON to EVERYONE in this newsgroup.
Common and everyone are the keywords here. Think about it. Probably the
valid point may sink in sometime soon.
Madhu Sudhan
> I dont understand how stupid this guy can get.
>
> OK 2 million tamilians have come to live in Karnataka.
Long before many Kannadigas came to Bangalore.
> They want to get tamil news, they want to watch tamil entertainment.
> What do they do?
Nonsense. You are confusing language with region again! Tamils want
to watch Tamil news if they want. They can speak Tamil if they want
whether they are in USA or Karnataka. As a fanatic, I am sure you
agree, with your logic, you have no rights any where except in
"Kannada" regions to speak or exchange ideas in kannada. Dont start
kannada koota and all that in western countries or in Bombay etc then,
if you think so.
The simple point, is you can't defien who a kannadiga or Tamil is.
> It does not take a kannada fanatic to figure it out. But there are some
> strange people in this world too.. they have "TAMIL" and only TAMIL
> written everywhere on their brain. So, paapa the only thing they can do
> is denigrate others, praise Tamil and nurture terrorists.
For your info, Tamils have never ever denigrated any south Indian
language or culture or for that matter even Hindi except at the height
of antiHindi agitation, as that was too much to take. They opposed
Hindi impostition and not the language. Show me one speech or
statement by any Tamil politician against any south India group any
time. I have personaly heard the likes of Vatal Nagaraj accusing Tamil
and Tamilians inciting hatred against them.
I have personally encountered instances of hatred against me and
family, friends in Bangalore and elsewhere just because I come from a
Tamil family but can speak, read and write Kannada fluently. Many of
my friends were attacked, houses burnt, women attacked by kannada
goondas. They fled Bangalore, the police looked on never did any
thing. People were killed in Srirampuram by kannada goondas. Obviously
Tamil gangs went on a rampage against kannada groups in Bangalore in
retaliation. I know they were incited by kannada goondas and provoked
to the full.
> "shame this culture previously known for hospitality,gentleness and
> tradition has descended into this darkness by fanatics such as Vatal
> Nagaraj., Sham Kashyap etc"
>
> This statement is the height of cultural blindness (and incorrect
> grammar). Why are you so adamant about sending tamil news to this
> newsgroup...>
You dont seem to get it. Tamils have all rights in Karnataka to speak,
read, learn, exchange ideas in Tamil just like Malayalees, muslims do.
So do kannadigas in any place including Tamil Nadu or Delhi. Dont get
it do you?
You seem to suggest Tamils have to give up Tamil? Why dont you ask
muslims to give up Urdu or Hindiwallahs to give up Hindi in karnataka?
Are only Tamils and Maraathis (in Belgaum etc) to be persecuted by
kannada goondas?
> Let me comment on your logic here.
> 1. Tamilians are in huge numbers in karnataka. So, you have to post your
> messages, right...
> I said if Tamilians want to read their news, they can subscribe to
> tamilan groups...(This is beneficial for them because they can get all
> their 'important' tamilian news together at one place). for this our
> dumbwit here does not have any answer.
You dont seem to get it. Tamils can share their ideas about their
experience in Karnataka as Tamils living their and their pains. They
can discuss the persecution there. Just like you persecute me here for
posting Tamil news, the same thing halppens in Bangalore, Badhraavathi
etc. Simple. Persecution. Just see yourself in the mirror. Looks like
Vatal Nagraj has laundered your brain good.
>
> 2. I do not want to make personal comments because its not the person
> but two languages that are in question. But this person chooses to find
> faults in people's names, people's background.For him its more important
> to hurt a person's feelings than to challenge the logic.
Because your ancestors are not from Kannada region at all. You know
they came running from dried up Saraswathi river. Now you seem to be
more kannada than the Devangaas, Vokkaligas, is it? Tamils cant be in
Bangalore even if they are locals but you can come from Saraswathi
region and you have more rights, right?
>
> 3. The fact that we use a common language to communicate tells us that
> we should discuss things that are COMMON to EVERYONE in this newsgroup.
Nonsense. You are using English. Not Kannada. You are not using the
common language at all. Who decides what is common, kannada goondas is
it?
Get this into your head. Karnataka Tamils can discuss their cultural
issues. We dont have to discuss what you discuss. You discuss what you
want. We Karnataka Tamils will discuss what we want.
You probably have no idea how Tamils enriched Kannda literature and
for that matter how Malayaales or Marathis enriched kannada
literature.
You have a lost cause. You are finished. Just repent and reform. If
you talk more I will post in detail the persecution of Tamils in
Karnataka, a saga we endured for the past five decades since 1960
Sham Kashyap
Kannada people live. Others are welcome to stay here too.
(Seriously though dude, someone can really make a big collection of
analogies I have given for you to understand this....and everytime you
take the dumbest meaning out of it..this is my last try)
We are mature enough to post messages in a language so that all people
(including non-kannadigas) understand it. I am just saying that
messages discussing things like tamil film industry is irrelevant here.
I hope not all tamilians are as dumb as you are man!!
"Because your ancestors are not from Kannada region at all. You know
they came running from dried up Saraswathi river. Now you seem to be
more kannada than the Devangaas, Vokkaligas, is it? Tamils cant be in
Bangalore even if they are locals but you can come from Saraswathi
region and you have more rights, right?"
--- who cares where my ancestors are from? I am in Karnataka now and
kannada is the language I speak. I did not say tamilians do not have the
right to speak their language. Let them speak things that are relevant
to everyone in a language everyone understands..obviously that is too
much for u to grasp. (this is not abt ur cast/culture man... dont get me
wrong.. its just you who are stupid)
"Nonsense. You are using English. Not Kannada. You are not using the
common language at all. Who decides what is common, kannada goondas is
it?"
-- As I said, you do not understand what is a 'common language' and
what is a 'common issue'.
"You probably have no idea how Tamils enriched Kannda literature and
for that matter how Malayaales or Marathis enriched kannada
literature."
-- you know, whatever they did, they did not post the kind of dumb
messages you guys post here..
"You have a lost cause. You are finished. Just repent and reform. If
you talk more I will post in detail the persecution of Tamils in
Karnataka, a saga we endured for the past five decades since 1960"
--- There is nothing for us to loose man. You keep acting crazy like
this, someone is surely going to kick your ass. Call me fanatic or
whatever you like.. its you who gets beaten up and you yourself told how
so many tamilians suffered. It does not matter whether I or vatal
nagaraj did that man. You and other tamilians suffer. So its only for
your safety. Be a roman when in rome or else its upto you to save your ass.
Hey man... I dont have anything personal against you. I just hate to
read things that are not relevant to me. So, I try to subscribe to
newsgroups that provide relevant info and discuss things that are
relevant to us. If the same crappy irrelevant messages creep in such
groups too, I get pissed thats all... most of us are pissed man
So,I request you dude.. please, do a huge favor to me and a very few
others in this group. I understand that lots of tamilians want to read
tamil film industry news in soc.culture.indian.karnataka. But, evenwith
all that, this is the favor I ask. Please dont post those messages here?
How abt that? You win man.
Cool Guy
poda veetiku. unuku vere vele illiyaa
"Madhu Sudhan" <tripur...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:81b78a45.04040...@posting.google.com...
Sesh
People who feel that SCIK should also know can seperately post the
message to the group. I personally think this is a very good solution.
But, how do we go about it? Whom do we contact?
Any ideas?
"BRP" <b...@hp.com> wrote in message news:<s1dbc.2235$st4....@news.cpqcorp.net>...
Madhu Sudhan
> India is split into states based on languages. Karnataka is place where
> Kannada people live. Others are welcome to stay here too.
So in simple words, you are suggesting Tamils in Karnataka should not
discuss Tamil movies, Tamil culture, their concerns, Tamil literature
etc etc.
They should only talk about kannada movies, culture etc.
Tamils in Karnataka should not open their mouth about anything
Tamil,as the kannadigas are not able to understand? That is your view!
Great! I understood again
I cant please you.
I think any one can discuss any issue in Kannataka, may be Telugu,
Malayalam, Urdu, Tamil , anything. If you dont understand just dont
take part!
We will do what we want. We will refer to Tamil issues in Karnataka.
Wont stop because you want us to! Your attitude is called racism
Sham Kashyap
you kongati!!!!
Madhu Sudhan
> u r right. dont talk tamil in karnataka. if u do... i am going to kill
> you kongati!!!!
Is it okay for people to talk in Hindi, Telugu, Malayalam, Sindhi,
Urdu,Marathi,Coorgi, Tulu,Konkani, sanskrit, Sankethi or English?
What are the approved languages by kannada goondas( which includes
the govt) or is it only kannada?
Sham Kashyap
But we Kannada goondas would appreciate if you post messages in Kannada
or English
jignaasu
> In my opinion, the best way is to go the SCIT way.
> People who feel that SCIK should also know can seperately post the
> message to the group. I personally think this is a very good solution.
> But, how do we go about it? Whom do we contact?
> Any ideas?
what is "the SCIT way" ?
pund kamath
> Subject: Re: Stupid tamilians
> Date: Monday, 24 November, 2003 05:51 AM
>
> I am open to the regular members of the group coming up with some solution
Afterall, there are many Tamils and others in Karnataka- Bangalore in
particular. And happenings there is of interest to them also, you
know! So why exclude them? In the wired world it is only self
discipline that counts.
Sesh
There was some discussion on this subject last year for SCIK. I have
no idea of the results.
PeaceWithinBringsPeaceWithout
wrote:
> In the wired world it is only self
>discipline that counts.
I agree. It is easy enough to read and reply to the kannada-related
posts in this group. In 'kanglish' of course. Yen antheera :-)
PeaceWithinBringsPeaceWithout
wrote:
> So why exclude them?
Remember, 'The earth is one. All boundaries exist in the
imagination.'
This includes the imaginary boundary between 'Karnataka' and 'Tamil
Nadu'. That boundary does not exist in reality. It only exists in
our imagination.
pund kamath
> On 7 Apr 2004 05:57:25 -0700, pund_...@hotmail.com (pund kamath)
> wrote:
>
> > So why exclude them?
>
> Remember, 'The earth is one. All boundaries exist in the
> imagination.'
>
> This includes the imaginary boundary between 'Karnataka' and 'Tamil
> Nadu'. That boundary does not exist in reality. It only exists in
Let us not forget that Karnataka is one of the very important states
in India with tradition of tolerance of diverse people all in its
history. There are Christians, Muslims and people of various
ethnicity. Tamils, Telugus,Sindhis etc. and Sikhs ( who have been in
since 17th century.Mind you).All these people who have been for
centuries have contributed to its richness and kindness and fairness.
For example, The eminent Indian Sarvapalli Radhakrishnan spent years
teaching in Mysore University and there many others.
Should you stoop to the level of Shiva Sainiks in Maharashtra or DMK
people in Tamil Nadu here?
Tolerance is a virtue. Don't loose it. In the absense of it you will
have only hatred and conflict and you yourself will be the looser..
Sham Kashyap
when your child talks to you in one of those languages instead of
kannada. you will know who is the loser.
Madhu Sudhan
> Should you stoop to the level of Shiva Sainiks in Maharashtra or DMK
> people in Tamil Nadu here?
>
> Tolerance is a virtue. Don't loose it. In the absense of it you will
> have only hatred and conflict and you yourself will be the looser..
A agree with most of what you say. Thank you. Voice of sanity amidst
this gross, crude uncivilised behaviour.
However I would like to point out one thing.
I dont subscribe to DMK.
They did some good and bad things. But do you know it is against their
basic ideology to speak against any south Indian language, including
Kannada?
They fervently believe in protecting all south Indian languages! They
will not harm any of those languages. They were/are afraid of Hindi
take over but never attacked any physical person ever speaking in
Hindi even!
Kannada goondas attacked, molested Tamils in large numbers and still
every time a riot takes place, they burn Tamil houses etc etc
Shiv Sainiks did this in the sixties, not now. The only language
fanatics in India today are kannada fanatics.
I can speak kannada fluently. Many do not know I speak Tamil very
well too. Kannda people, otherwise, looking very civilised tell me
horrific things about Tamils, how they are barbaric, venomous, beggars
etc etc. They despise Tamils to the core. These are middle class very
educated otherwise good people. I have always been astounded by their
racism. If they hear some one speaking Tamil, they make fun of them
secretly!
I am not saying all of them do this. But a surprisingly large number,
I can tell you. Racism against Tamils is rampant amongst Kannadigas.
Kanndigas look down on Malayalees too.
Tamils have never said any thing like that to the same extent against
Kannadigas. I speak to them too!
This news gruop does not surprise me at all.
I always wonder what the Tamils ever did to deserve this from
Kannadigas.
Can any ever ever care to explain?
Sham Kashyap
> I can speak kannada fluently. Many do not know I speak Tamil very
> well too. Kannda people, otherwise, looking very civilised tell me
> horrific things about Tamils, how they are barbaric, venomous, beggars
> etc etc. They despise Tamils to the core. These are middle class very
> educated otherwise good people. I have always been astounded by their
> racism. If they hear some one speaking Tamil, they make fun of them
> secretly!
>
> I am not saying all of them do this. But a surprisingly large number,
> I can tell you. Racism against Tamils is rampant amongst Kannadigas.
> Kanndigas look down on Malayalees too.
>
> Tamils have never said any thing like that to the same extent against
> Kannadigas. I speak to them too!
>
> This news gruop does not surprise me at all.
>
> I always wonder what the Tamils ever did to deserve this from
> Kannadigas.
> Can any ever ever care to explain?
I am sorry for all the hate kannadigas have over Tamilians. From your
mails, I assume you are in Bangalore. I have been fortunate to know
people from different parts of India and the world. This is what the
opinions are:
1. In the gulf area, the arabs and the 'rich class' despise indian
labourers. (I myself experienced it while I was in Bahrain on my way
back to India)
2. In the USA, most americans (includes whites, african americans)
despise foreign workers (this includes indians, mexicans, chinese,
muslim etc) whether they are labourers or high class men
3. In the arab world, they hate pak muslims (they think they are not
pure muslims like themselves)
4. In India, most north indians dont bother to know what part of south
india you are from.. they just dont like you. But, tell them that you
are from Bangalore or even from Karnataka.. they loosen up.
5. In most parts of the world, people hate somebody who is American no
matter what his skin color is.
We see various reasons for hatred in these examples.
The most prominent are
1. Language... (most indians in the Gulf can not speak Arabic)
2. Religion...
3. Economic takeover (loose of oppurtunities in jobs etc)
4. Pride, superiority complex (North indians have this attitude. They
speak hours in Punjabi or some non-hindi language in front of you but
even for a minute you talk in your language they get all flared up)
Now, coming to Tamilians.
I am sorry but as far as I know this is the reality.
In the gulf, majority of the tamil speaking population provides cheap
labour. They are neither sophisticated nor educated (not that they are
expected to) The arabs treat them as third class people. (they may do
the same for any manual labourer but since in this case it happens to be
mostly indians... indians are bound to face that humiliation)
In Karnataka, I do not have the knowledge or numbers to comment on
whether the way the states were divided was fair or not... but in the
current situation, we feel threatened.
We have people from all over India and abroad coming and starting their
own carreers in Karnataka. The influx of non-kannada speaking population
is too much to ignore.
The kannadiga community is a small one, and is decreasing in numbers
really fast due to inter-community marriages etc (I am not saying this
is bad or we should stop this and all)
When non-kannada speaking people do buisness or interact with
kannadigas, it is natural for us to be threatened if some one expects us
to talk in their language instead of Kannada. Now, if the same situation
continues, the knowledge of kannada gets more and more useless and the
day is not far when knowing kannada serves you any purpose. This is not
a joke because there has been a serious decline in Kannada speaking
population in Karnataka even though we are not a big migrating community.
No other state faces this threat. Hence you should realize that what is
happening to kannadigas is unique. We have to struggle to keep our
language and tradition alive. In that process, people who seem to ignore
our end of the story get hurt.
Madhu Sudhan
> No other state faces this threat. Hence you should realize that what is
> happening to kannadigas is unique. We have to struggle to keep our
> language and tradition alive. In that process, people who seem to ignore
> our end of the story get hurt.
Thanks for the response. I can tell you the Tamils are in a state of
sadness, fear and anger. They feel suspected, alienated and asked to
choose between their mother tongue and Kannada. A mother cannot be
asked to abandon, give up and never see her child and adopt another's
child. May be both kids but not at the cost of her own child. Tamils
will, if pushed, only choose the obvious.
I dont see any reason in India why any one should asked to abandon
their custom , language or traditions.
Simple as that. The constitution protects all that.
Hope all of us are Indians first and respect all differences, live
and let live before preventable tragedy overtakes us.
Thiruga beti aagona
Sham Kashyap
I understand the hatred tamilians receive in karnataka. Sorry about it.
But, right now, in Karnataka, for Kannadigas, we have to look out for
protectecting ourselves, our language and our interests first.In
protecting this, if the minority is not taken care off, that problem is
only secondary to us. If tamilians feel alienated, its only because they
are not in tamilnadu. The same applies to the group.
I guess we can never agree on it and hence lets not waste time and space
of the newsgroup. Whether we want it or not, things are not going to
change. You do what you want to. I shall what I can. I wont forget this
animosity but overlook it.
Hence, with a tinge of hypocrisy I shall say I love all the different
cultures, people and their languages.
Sham
PeaceWithinBringsPeaceWithout
wrote:
>ANotherID_...@sify.com (PeaceWithinBringsPeaceWithout) wrote in message news:<4074bf3c...@130.133.1.4>...
>> On 7 Apr 2004 05:57:25 -0700, pund_...@hotmail.com (pund kamath)
>> wrote:
>>
>> > So why exclude them?
>>
>> Remember, 'The earth is one. All boundaries exist in the
>> imagination.'
>>
>> This includes the imaginary boundary between 'Karnataka' and 'Tamil
>> Nadu'. That boundary does not exist in reality. It only exists in
>> our imagination....
>Let us not forget that Karnataka is one of the very important states
>in India with tradition of tolerance of diverse people all in its
>history. There are Christians, Muslims and people of various
>ethnicity. Tamils, Telugus,Sindhis etc. and Sikhs ( who have been in
>since 17th century.Mind you).All these people who have been for
>centuries have contributed to its richness and kindness and fairness.
>For example, The eminent Indian Sarvapalli Radhakrishnan spent years
>teaching in Mysore University and there many others.
>
>Should you stoop to the level of Shiva Sainiks in Maharashtra or DMK
>people in Tamil Nadu here?
>
>Tolerance is a virtue. Don't loose it. In the absense of it you will
>have only hatred and conflict and you yourself will be the looser..
I agree.
People are beginning to find that
"Co-operation, and not Competition, is the secret of success".
The future of all beings, whether they are human or reptiles, lies in
working together for the common good.
pund kamath
> Sorry to conclude this debate with this note.
>
> I understand the hatred tamilians receive in karnataka. Sorry about it.
> But, right now, in Karnataka, for Kannadigas, we have to look out for
> protectecting ourselves, our language and our interests first.In
> protecting this, if the minority is not taken care off, that problem is
> only secondary to us. If tamilians feel alienated, its only because they
Who are Kannadigas my friend? Would you care to expand on the
attributes of a Kannadiga? For instance, is he a person who lives in
Mysore and not in Hubbli? or one born of Sindhi parents raised in
Bangalore all his life and fluent in writing and reading in Kannada?
etc. Why dont' you elaborate?
Will Vijaya Mallya whose mother tongue is not Kannada wheras his
ancestors arrived in Karnataka some 1200 years ago. What about a
person who speaks a dialect called Tulu? any comments on residence,
mental attitude etc.?
If you use arbitrary creteria, soon you will slide into tribalism.
Then it will be the end of a kind, and civillized society.
Madhu Sudhan
>
> Who are Kannadigas my friend? Would you care to expand on the
> attributes of a Kannadiga? For instance, is he a person who lives in
> Mysore and not in Hubbli? or one born of Sindhi parents raised in
> Bangalore all his life and fluent in writing and reading in Kannada?
> etc. Why dont' you elaborate?
Thanks agaion for an excellent question. I have asked this many
times, who a Kannadiga or for that matter a Tamilian or Maratha is. No
one answered. I believe it would be impossible in India. I know so
many people who are fluent in many languages and people migrate
between regions so much. I know people who are from Andhra by
ancestry, speak Telugu at home and learn Kannada at school etc. Their
parents do not write or read Kannada. Did Raj Kumar's mother
Lakshmamma read or write Kannada? Rajnikanth, the "super Hero" in
Tamil nadu is a Marathi speaking person who speaks Kannada, Tamil,
Hindi etc! What is he?
MGR was Malayalee born in Ceylon!
Where is this going to end, I wonder. All this arbitrariness is just
going to end in goondaism and lawlessness where some will, loot,
plunder and abuse others. That is all. This is not the theme civilised
people should focus on.
Indians should be Indians first and must put language in proper
focus. I always thought linguistic division of India was a mistake. It
was meant to facilitate administrative dialogue and decolonialise
India but it led to balkanisaition. People have taken this to mean
they have islands of absolutism dictated by language.
I think language fanaticism is triggered by some business people.
They want their papers, movies, books to sell and are afraid of
competition. They use goondas for the purpose. Money and power are big
factors. Hence politicians are fully involved in this as well.
TranscendDuality
I would say, let there be more de-centralization of power. As more
decisions are taken at the lower levels, there will be less
opportunity for the 'opportunism' of people who try to capitalize on
these kinds of issues for their own greed.
On 11 Apr 2004 06:26:17 -0700, pund_...@hotmail.com (pund kamath)
wrote:
>Sham Kashyap <sha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<SP4ec.6347$BR1.5442@okepread03>...
Sham Kashyap
There is no doubt or arbitration when it comes to who a Kannadiga is.
A kannadiga is one who knows Kannada and wants to use it in all walks of
life. As long as one loves the language kannada, he is a Kannadiga.
Location/descent/mothertongue does not matter at all.
I do see the satire in your message. You know what, its upto your
conscience to decide whether you are a Kannadiga or not. Nothing else
matters.
All I am telling you is, there are some (or probably very few ) people
who misuse our hospitality and tolerance. It is for everyone's
(including non-kannadigas living in Karnataka) good that we guard our
interests before being irresponsibly tolerant and repent later.
Sham
Sham Kashyap
in a Kannadiga or not, I can not tell. It is upto the person to know
what he is. And thats all that matters.
When integrating a country with so many diversities, we have to be
realistic. Unity in diversity means we are united and still diverse.
Everyone forgets the diversity part and expect unity in every part of
life. Unity should be in spirit, not in customs, tradition and language.
That we alreay have I believe. The diversity issue is often confused.
When a state has a conservative policy regarding its language being made
mandatory in its state, it is just protecting and nurturing the states
language.
I do not comment on Tamilnadu's Hindi policy. If tamilnadu has a need to
protect its identity from being washed out by hindi, it has every right
to. (I personally do not know that problem) But I know one thing for
sure, Kannada is being wiped out in every walk of a kannadiga's life.
I dont know whether China is a diverse country. But you may not know
this. Lot of chinese students who come to the US for studies do not know
what religion they belong to!!! The communist government has done just
what you said. They abolish all things that differentiate people from
each other in the end loosing the people's identity itself.
Abolishing all divisions in the society is not a problem for the well
being of a person. Lingual divisions are not the root cause for regional
politics. Exploitation of people playing the language card is the reason.
I am no politician nor do I have any political aspirations. The simple
fact is I can not see my state and our people (which also happens to be
a majority) being abused by people and later defend it in the name of
unity in diversity or minority protection.
How would you feel if Tamilnadu is full of people who do not know Tamil
and expect tamilians to learn different languages just because the
aliens can not understand tamil and make no effort to learn the language
of the region they live?
Regional politics is not the only cause for goondaism and lawlessness(if
you call it so) . Sometimes, revolution IS needed to root out the evil.
Not always is the case that only the oppresed die. There are a few times
when the real culprit is uprooted too.
Madhu Sudhan wrote:
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Sham Kashyap
Graduate Student, CIS
Kansas State University
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"We must become the change we want to see"
-Mahatma Gandhi
Madhu Sudhan
> I hope I have answered the question who a Kannadiga is.
You have not answered that so far, nor has any one else ever. I belive
it is impossible to define a person on the basis of language.
We all have to forget and disown our culture if move out of our
lingustic islands! We have no right to start a kannada koota in UK etc
and cannot even speak kannda outside "Mysore" area. Otherwise it gives
others the right to beat us up by goonda logic.
Whether a person
> in a Kannadiga or not, I can not tell.
Then how can you say you answered?
It is upto the person to know
> what he is. And thats all that matters.
Okay, then but who is asking the question as to who a kannadiga is.
Can a person keep it a secret if he is a kannadiga or not?
How does the goonda know who a kannadiga is? Goondas ask you to say
"Mohan". If you say Mogan, then you are a Tamilian and you should be
beaten up or robbed!
In practice, it is upto the goondas to decide who a kannadiga is!
) But I know one thing for
> sure, Kannada is being wiped out in every walk of a kannadiga's life.
It is upto those who call themselves kannadiga to do what it takes if
they care but they cannot and should not ask nonkannada speaking
people to surrender their money,property,traditions, values, culture,
literature because kannada is viewed as threatened.
Frankly, kannada has been imposed in the past 40 years. It was unknown
in Bangalore in the fifties. Bangalore was mostly Tamil, Telugu(
chickpet etc areas and commercial areas), muslim, English speaking and
cosmopolitan before. Now you see at least 30% kannada. Kannada has
spread using nonkannada money in Bangalore by sheer imposition and
manipulation. Kannada has grown by sheer robbery.
> Lingual divisions are not the root cause for regional politics.
In Karnataka kannada fanaticism is the basis of politics to a large
extent, at least in Bangalore.
>Exploitation of people playing the language card is the reason.
Kannada movies, books, and language based businesses are using goondas
to enlarge their base. Politicians come to power to swindle, make
money using the kannada card.
> I am no politician nor do I have any political aspirations. The simple
> fact is I can not see my state and our people (which also happens to be
> a majority) being abused by people and later defend it in the name of
> unity in diversity or minority protection.
No one abuses kannda in Karnataka! Kannada goondas are abusing
nonkannada people
As I said kannada was spoken by a small number of people on Bangalore
and it has grown at the expense of nonkannada people. Nonkannda people
pay taxes which are used to fill the pockets of "kannada speaking "
people as defined by goondas. This is called robbery.
> How would you feel if Tamilnadu is full of people who do not know Tamil
> and expect tamilians to learn different languages just because the
> aliens can not understand tamil and make no effort to learn the language
> of the region they live?
Then Tamil Nadu in that case shpould not be a state and should be an
union territory. It has no basis to be a state on the basis of a
single language. Or they should recognise many languages as in
Switzerland. In UP and Mp Urdu is also the official language. I cannot
see why in Karnataka many languages such as Tulu, Konkani, Urdu,
Tamil, Telugu, Marathi cannot be languages for many districts.
Karnatak is unique as it has very large language minorities and
Kannada is not a proper majority kanguage as in Tamil Nadu, Kerala,
etc.
You are not aware of the extent kannda is imposed on nonkannda people
such as Tulu, Konkani, Marathi, Tamil etc. The Telugu people who
migrated in very large numbers in the past 40 years have done very
well in fact as kannada people do not know the difference between
themselves and Telugus but they seem to be very conscious of Tamils,
Malayalees and muslims. In fact Telugu movies are showing all the
time, a lot more than in the sixties. That is good. At least some
nonkannada group is tactically thriving.
> Regional politics is not the only cause for goondaism and lawlessness(if
> you call it so) . Sometimes, revolution IS needed to root out the evil.
> Not always is the case that only the oppresed die. There are a few times
> when the real culprit is uprooted too.
Kannada has grown from its unknown status in the fifties by abusing
others in a state where very large minorities are the majority.
Your talk of revolution is anarchy and goondaism.
Madhu Sudhan
> Sorry for the delay in the reply.
>
> There is no doubt or arbitration when it comes to who a Kannadiga is.
> A kannadiga is one who knows Kannada and wants to use it in all walks of
> life.
In all walks of life? Then there are very few kanndigas in karnataka.
English is widely used in adminsitrarion, schools, colleges etc etc.
People speak Tulu, Coorgi, Sankethi etc at home. You are not a
kannidiga at all as you are now using English and not kannada in *all*
walks of life.
> As long as one loves the language kannada, he is a Kannadiga.
How is love defined and determined? Can one love Tamil and Kannada at
the same time as T.P. Kailasam, Rajarathnam, Pu.Thi.Naa, Balasundaram
Iyer and Masthi Venkatesha Iyengar? Can one love Malayalam and Kannada
as Kasthri? Can one love Marathi and Kannada as Bendre? Is love only
for one language. Can one love English as well as French. What about
sanskrit?
Are you aware a mother can have more than one child and love them
all?
> Location/descent/mothertongue does not matter at all.
Then can Tamils love Tamil in Karnataka? Can muslims love Urdu in
Karnataka?
Or it is only for people to "love" kannada and this law is not
applicable to other languages especially Tamil?!
Sham Kashyap
dont be childish.I thought you could differentiate a figure of speech. i
do not have to define what 'love' for the language is. As I said, it is
upto you to decide whether you are a kannadiga or not. Whether you are a
tamilian and kannadiga and malayali and whatever, it depends on how much
respect/love you have for each language. You can be all of them if you
know and love all the langauges. Its called 'conscience'. I do not have
to differentiate like 'ok masthi is 75% kannadiga and 25% tamilian ...'
etc. It is upto him to decide who he is. If he thinks he was both a true
kannadiga and tamilian, thats fine with me. Every person is his own
judge for that.
For example, I am not an Englishman just because I happen to know and
use english. Whether others accept me as an englishman or not, I myself
do not want to be called by that name. I do not have any sentiments
attached to it.
if u don't know, kannada is the official language in administration in
government offices.
grow up a bit.
Madhu Sudhan
> dude,
> dont be childish.I thought you could differentiate a figure of speech. i
> do not have to define what 'love' for the language is. As I said, it is
> upto you to decide whether you are a kannadiga or not. Whether you are a
> tamilian and kannadiga and malayali and whatever, it depends on how much
> respect/love you have for each language. You can be all of them if you
> know and love all the langauges. Its called 'conscience'. I do not have
> to differentiate like 'ok masthi is 75% kannadiga and 25% tamilian ...'
> etc. It is upto him to decide who he is. If he thinks he was both a true
> kannadiga and tamilian, thats fine with me. Every person is his own
> judge for that.
If it is such a private matter for each one to decide, how come you
lament kannada is in disuse and kanndaigas are disempowered by
nonakannadigas.
If you say Masthi being 75% Kanndiga is a private for him, why cant
you let Malayalees or Tamilians be privately whatever they want to be
and you are trying to impose kannada on all in Karnataka
> For example, I am not an Englishman just because I happen to know and
> use english. Whether others accept me as an englishman or not, I myself
> do not want to be called by that name. I do not have any sentiments
> attached to it.
It is obvious you do not/cannot ever use kannada in all walks of life,
as you said. That is the point.
> if u don't know, kannada is the official language in administration in
> government offices.
Does not have to be. Konkani can be in Konkani district, Tulu in Tulu
Nadu, Tamil also in Bangalore and Badhravathi,, Coorgi in Coorg, Urdu
in Bijapur etc, Marathi in Belgaum etc etc.
Kannda need not be the only administrative language at all in
Karnataka as a very large portion of Karnataka population do not speak
the language.
Bangalore could be a union territory like Chandigarh, with its
cosmopolitan population and its importance from all Indians, only a
minority contribution from the kannada speaking population. Moreover
the kannada people harrass the nonkannaa people as well. The central
government should take over there.
>
>
> grow up a bit.
Unwanted "advice". Please focus on the subject and do not try to get
emotional or personal. That is precisely what goondas do.
Sham Kashyap
> Unwanted "advice". Please focus on the subject and do not try to get
> emotional or personal. That is precisely what goondas do.
bent on ranting in your language anyway, go ahead. Dont blame me if some
innocent tamilian is killed in the riots because of people like you.
Madhu Sudhan
You now come out with the true colours. By the way, my languages are
Tamil, Malayalam, Kannada, English, Hindi, sanskrit and to some extent
Telugu.
I can rant and love to rant in all of them. If people are killed it
is because people like you support them and their goondas activities.
Ultimately some business man/politician will profit from all this as
they cannot earn a living decently and have to emplot goondas
rob,loot, plunder in whatever way possible.
It is upto civilised people to show the way.
Sham Kashyap
> You now come out with the true colours. By the way, my languages are
> Tamil, Malayalam, Kannada, English, Hindi, sanskrit and to some extent
> Telugu.
language from aliens like you. You are alien because all you want to do
is put tamil in karnataka's soil. We are not gonna allow that. Do
whatever you want. Talk all that you can. But this is the reality bro.
If you and others in your community really belong to karnataka, be like
the great writers you pointed out, you still have time to survive.
> I can rant and love to rant in all of them.
I guess you mistook the word RANT... its supposed to be derogatory.
> If people are killed it is because people like you support them and their goondas activities.
> Ultimately some business man/politician will profit from all this as
> they cannot earn a living decently and have to emplot goondas
> rob,loot, plunder in whatever way possible.
>
> It is upto civilised people to show the way.
In our case, people were killed because of the cauvery issue. no
businessman or politician in karnataka was profited by it. It was a
fight for karnataka farmers and today, if farmers in mandya can live,
that is because of those fights.
KKnight
blue and say that is the truth. You are one of those scum bags who
need some old fashioned spanking.
Kannadiga? I am a Kannadiga. Do u call yourself a Kannadiga? (Yes or
No).
Now you want to know how we Kannadiga goodas figure who is a Tamilian?
It's easy, they stink like pieces of shit. Before we beat them up and
rob them we cover our noses so that we don't loose conciousness
because of their stink.
Kannada was imposed on Bangalore! Kempe Gowda yaaru? yellinda
bandiddu? If u say Tamil was prominent in B'lore 50 years back, what
about 100 years back? 200 hundred years back? Kannada was prominent
then, Tamil was imposed now we are chaning it. Happy now.
How many people spoke Tamil in Madras 50 years back? When Andra
Pradesh and Tami Naadu agreed to take Thirupathi and Madras
respectively, do u also say that Telugu was imposed on Thirupathi and
Tamil on Madras? Ur stupid logic doesn't make any sense.
Karnataka ia probably the only state which more than 3 to 4 language
minorities. Don't tell me that people who speak Tulu, Coorgi and
Konkani feel threatened in Karntaka. They speak their languages and
Kannada without any fuss unlike Tamil bastards.
Go to Maharashtra and see how many poeple speak konkani there? The
whole of South Costal Maharashtra is konkan area and Konkani "was"
prominent. Not anymore. Now go to Karwar and see how many people still
speak Konkani and Kannada without any issues. Tell me who is imposing
what?
One more point, we Kannadigas don't have any problems with anyone from
a different state or language background. All these people come from
different backgounds and merge with the mainstream Kannada culture.
Tulu, Konkani, Coorgi, Telugu and Malayalees. We have absolutely no
problems with them. Our only issue is Tamil assholes. And we will plug
that hole pretty soon.
Jai,
KK
tripur...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) wrote in message news:<81b78a45.04041...@posting.google.com>...
Madhu Sudhan
> Man Madhu you are so full of shit. You make some statements out of the
> blue and say that is the truth. You are one of those scum bags who
> need some old fashioned spanking.
>
> Kannadiga? I am a Kannadiga. Do u call yourself a Kannadiga? (Yes or
> No).
>
You are not a kanndaiga nor is Sham Kashyap. Sham says you have to
use kannadiga in all walks of life. You are using English. So you are
not a kannadiga according to your goonda definition.
Your language is so alien to karnataka culture known for their
decency,gentleness and hospitality. You seem to be so violent in your
thoughts, lack knowledge.
Andhra and Tamil Nadu get along fine. Only Karnataka fights with
*all* its neighbours acoording to Supreme Court statement. Remember
why CM SM Krishna apologised. He was in deep trouble. Kartnataka fight
with *all* its neighbours. What is wrong?
I am trying to make you think, desperately trying.
KKnight
every thing he had to say in your reply to him, but in this post your
are agreeing his definition of Kannadiga, you are a spineless moron.
Ok, now that I raise my voice against you, you shake and piss in you
pants and say Kannadigas are nice and hospitable. In your previous
posts you condemned as them being beligerent. YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. You are stupid.
We get along fine with every state, except for punk ass Tamil bithes.
S M Krishna apologised to Supreme Court because he wanted to save his
ass. He showed his true politician colors. That has nothing do to with
any Kannadiga.
You are trying to make me think! Why don't you do that a little bit
yourself, decide what you want to say and say it at once. As I said
you are an idiot. And don't come back with your sorry ass to this news
group again. KaLachko magane.
Jai
KK
tripur...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) wrote in message news:<81b78a45.04041...@posting.google.com>...
Sham Kashyap
kannadiga's fault? nimmantha peddhu baddethavakke artha aagli antha
english nalli barithaa idheevi tilko.
By what you say, even india is a goonda nation. it has problems with sri
lanka, it has problems with pak , china bangladesh... so you can easily
term india as a terrorist state. tale li swalpa buddhi annodidhre adanna
upyogisodanna kaliyappa guru.
Whether our CM is in trouble or not does not relate to the problems of
the state. See tamilian CM's. One is in court for owning thousands of
sarees and sandals and the other was 'lifted' from his own house...
intha janana itkandu namma bagge comment maadakke ninnantha dadda
moodhevi kyle saadhya.
Madhu Sudhan
> every thing he had to say in your reply to him, but in this post your
> are agreeing his definition of Kannadiga, you are a spineless moron.
>
> Ok, now that I raise my voice against you, you shake and piss in you
> pants and say Kannadigas are nice and hospitable. >
I said Karnataka had a glorious culture, till people of your age and
nondevelopment ruined it. You are a shame on this culture, frankly.
> We get along fine with every state, except for punk ass Tamil bithes.
Nope. You did not read peoperly again. The Supreme court chided
Karnataka for its history of fighting with *all* its neighbours. Can
you get it? Kerala, Andhra, Maharashtra etc. All states. Dont ever
pretend it is only for water from Tamil Nadu. Karnataka kananda
fanatics fight with all neighbours.
I will never stoop to your gutter kannada goonda level, to macth your
verbal abuse but will try to civilise you. Tamils are trying for about
50 years to civilise kannada goondas like you.
Madhu Sudhan
> Guruve!!!
Sishya! This is your guru talking. First do sincere puja to God and
ask to be bestowed with 1)culture 2) how to talk to gurus 3) how to
lose violence 4) capacity for proper speech 5) respect for all.
Do all this for one year from now.
Then come for lessons for further development.
You seem to be more developed than you friend, KK. He is not eligible
for adhyarthi status yet and has to do puja for ten years.
KKnight
Puja for 10 years? Ond kelsa maadu, nanna tunne unnu ninge immediate
enlightenment sigatthe.
Ninna thikakke naayi mari. Ameekond koorla, jaasthi haradadre boti
thegdu bisi neerige haktheeni bolimagane.
Jai
KK
tripur...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) wrote in message news:<81b78a45.04041...@posting.google.com>...
Madhu Sudhan
> Preethiya Mindri magane, (aka Madhu Sudhan)
>
> Puja for 10 years? Ond kelsa maadu, nanna tunne unnu ninge immediate
> enlightenment sigatthe.
>
> Ninna thikakke naayi mari. Ameekond koorla, jaasthi haradadre boti
> thegdu bisi neerige haktheeni bolimagane.
>
> Jai
> KK
Since you are so offending by being asked to do puja, and use such
vulgar abusive words, unprintable, you are to be born as a dog in your
next janma and after that as a human, do puja for thousand years and
then be absolved for a chance to be an adhtaarhi.
If you do not accept this and rebel, you have to go to paathaala till
kalpantha.
Sham Kashyap
other stupid tamilians like you. why bring puja and other stuff...
Madhu Sudhan
> why are u straying away man.. the discussion is to get rid of u.. and
> other stupid tamilians like you. why bring puja and other stuff...
Remember, you want to be my shishya and I am your guruji.
It is the guru talking again now. Listen carefully. Gurus have to
show proper path to disciples. Puja to God will give you
culture,proper language etc. God will always bless you as you
surrendered to guruji.
Now start prayer. Dont interrupt
Om namah shivaaya
Sham Kashyap
Sham Kashyap
> Remember, you want to be my shishya and I am your guruji.
>
> It is the guru talking again now. Listen carefully. Gurus have to
> show proper path to disciples. Puja to God will give you
> culture,proper language etc. God will always bless you as you
> surrendered to guruji.
>
> Now start prayer. Dont interrupt
>
> Om namah shivaaya
You are next madhusudhan. there is time to change. give up or run back
to tamilnadu.
tamilu tamilu antha japa maadthiru ninna melu paint suridhu hogthare.
Madhu Sudhan
> whatever stupid konga... one more reason to kick you out of karnataka
You want me to be your guruji. Now you start abusing me again. Is this
goonda nonculture?
Do you know what is meant by konga?! I bet you dont know.
Let me start the lesson again.
KKnight
it again. Especially for your thickskinned dickheadedness. By the way
don't forget to check out the addendum written just for you.
----
Preethiya Mindri magane, (aka Madhu Sudhan)
Puja for 10 years? Ond kelsa maadu, nanna tunne unnu ninge immediate
enlightenment sigatthe.
Ninna thikakke naayi mari. Ameekond koorla, jaasthi haradadre boti
thegdu bisi neerige haktheeni bolimagane.
Jai
KK
---
Addendum:
Ayyo halka suver nan magane, ninna huttsabekaare adyava raahu kaala
itto yenu ninna thale annodu ninna thikadalli ide. Neenobba perveterd
psycho antha illi yellarigoo gotthu, yavdo ondu vishaya hidkondu
baayige bandiddella baritheeya, thardappa neenu. Neenu badikiddu sumne
resources ella waste madthidiya. Haage illi post maadi maadi bandwidth
waste maadtheeya. Nin baayige man haaka.
Neenu hinge post maadtha idre, "thika hoDdu thamboola kottu
kalastheeni". Namma South Karntaka bhashe artha aagde idre, swalpa
Dhwarwad beshelu ugitheeni keli santhosha padu. "Maadaaka byare yenu
kelsa illandra helo hadasee magana, nanna shanta(shata) kittu parcel
maadtheenantha, koothkondu straight maadovantha mindri magana...."
Madhu Sudhan
> Just in case u didn't read and understand this message, I am posting
> it again. Especially for your thickskinned dickheadedness. By the way
> don't forget to check out the addendum written just for you.
> ----
> kalastheeni". Namma South Karntaka bhashe artha aagde idre, swalpa
> Dhwarwad beshelu ugitheeni keli santhosha padu. "Maadaaka byare yenu
> kelsa illandra helo hadasee magana, nanna shanta(shata) kittu parcel
> maadtheenantha, koothkondu straight maadovantha mindri magana...."
You have wasted your chance as a human being. Wasted life. Your life
ended long time ago.
Time to leave and learn later. Looks like you are able to use
language but are still an animal. May be a maninal( an animal in man
like form). No doubt you are a goonda
Good bye for ever.
KKnight
ninage ishtu ugaskondu inno ille idiya andre maadakke bere kemilla,
ninna address kalsu nanna shata parcel maadtheeni straight madovanthe,
mangthul moodevi.
Nange gotto naanu goonda antha, jothege neenu "Shanda" anthanoo
gotthu. I know I am a "goonda" I also know that you are a "hijada".
Thika muchkondu kooro soolemagane.
Jai
KK
tripur...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) wrote in message news:<81b78a45.04042...@posting.google.com>...
pund kamath
> kalnanmagane ondishtu sagani thinnu buddi baratthe. .....
Good Lord! Do you need survive on this verbal diet everyday to
survive? Is it possible that you could make a civillized dialogue
without it?
KKnight
freaks like Madhu Sudhan. He is one of those people who has no real
interest in talking about Kannada or Karnataka issues. He is here for
fun and we don't need him here. Just read some of his posts see how he
starts a tangetial conversation leaving main issue aside and keeps
nagging on it. It's better if he doesn't post here anymore. Be assured
that any stupid thing he posts in this group will get a shitload of
crap from me.
That said, if u want to carry out a civilized conversation I am all
for it.
Jai
KK
pund_...@hotmail.com (pund kamath) wrote in message news:<b9ca4079.04042...@posting.google.com>...
Madhu Sudhan
> freaks like Madhu Sudhan. He is one of those people who has no real
> interest in talking about Kannada or Karnataka issues. He is here for
> fun and we don't need him here. Just read some of his posts see how he
> starts a tangetial conversation leaving main issue aside and keeps
> nagging on it. It's better if he doesn't post here anymore. Be assured
> that any stupid thing he posts in this group will get a shitload of
> crap from me.
Yes. That is correct. See all my posts and see if I ever used any
abusive language like goondas. Never. Goondas do not want to face real
issues. It is upto civilised people to elevate them.
Actually kannada goondas converted from Hinduism into Goondaism.
This new religion has 1) Raj Kumar as the devatha 2) Vatal Nagraj as
the rishi 3) Chitra geethe as the chandhas 4) The manthra is "kannada
illadhavarannu hodi" ithi( beat up nonkannadigas)
This religion started around 1960 soon after the tragic linguistic
division.
This man is a faithful follower of this cult.
KKnight
That's right I will faithfully fuck ur happiness from my now on in this board.
Take that 1, 2, 3 and 4 of yours and shove it up your sorry ass.
tripur...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) wrote in message news:<81b78a45.04042...@posting.google.com>...
Sesh
asamaadhaana untu maaduththe....bere margave illave?
inti,
kknig...@yahoo.com (KKnight) wrote in message news:<a1ef5d2e.04042...@posting.google.com>...
Madhu Sudhan
> dhayavittu tappu tiliduko bedi, aadre, taavu upiyogiso padagalu
> asamaadhaana untu maaduththe....bere margave illave?
>
> inti,
Avarige bere marga goththilla! Baayalli baruvudhu ella ketta maathe.
Yaakendhre avaru goonda aagidhdhare. Hinduism alla goondaism follow
maduthaare,
neevu eshtu helidharu avaru sumne iruvudhilla. Kothi cheshte thara.
Bekaadhare nodi innamele
prathibha venkataswamy
"Madhu Sudhan" <tripur...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Sham Kashyap
(maduthaare innamele??!!)
alla, when somebody says get out of my house, how come people like you
come back begging and pleading to get in again.. swalpanadhru
aatmabhimaana beda? maana maryadhe annodidhre taane nimmantorige.
howdhu kanamma. idhe goondaism. innondswalpa beka? nimmantha hucchu
naayigalanna hodedhu odisodhaadhre adhanna goondaism anthanaadhru kari
terrorism anthanaadhru kari...
this applies to all you mofos who stay in karnataka and do not care
kannada. you live here and earn your living here. learn/respect the
language, illa mukha musdi nodadhe hodedhu haaktheevi obbabrannu. tk
jaasthi aagidhe nimge.
--
------------------------
Sham Kashyap
Graduate Student, CIS
Kansas State University
------------------------
"We must become the change we want to see"
-Mahatma Gandhi
Sesh
naanu nimage aa postanna barililla. neevu adhakke uttara bariyo
avashyakathe iralilla. matte nimmanna kk avara bagge bashya bariri
antanoo kelilla.
illi ellarigu bere marga gottu aadre, nimma kadeyavarige
annyavaada yaava maargavu arthaa aagolla. Ondu udhaharaNe. aidu
varshada hinde, ondu mahileyu Rajaji nagar(naanidda pradesha) nalli
ondu saamanu anngadi munde nintu, naanu Tamil nalle maathaadodu anta
hata. Yaakendre avalu ondu dinada hinde taane Madurai ninda bandalante
nammurige. baayi muchchikondu hogu anta anngadi maalika helidru
hogolla anta. avala jotheyalli ellaru Tamilnalli varthisbekante. heege
kachchada vaagi adidre, yaaru mariyaadhe kodolla. naalakku tadukuva
avashyakathe bandaaga goonda andre, pedru yaaru anta helokke Phd yenu
bekaagolla. namma kelavu colleagues na career na halu maadokke
horatidru avara Tamil managersgalu...kevala eeta Tamilnavanalla anta.
nimma bagge namage tumba yenu mariyaadhe illa.....namma talmeyanna
tumba ne elitha idhdheeri, adhakke, vinaya varthanegalu artha aagolla
anta heege maathu aadabekaada sangathi...innu artha aagollava nimage?
Apologies for any spelling mistakes.
tripur...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) wrote in message news:<81b78a45.04042...@posting.google.com>...
Sesh
being. It is not in our culture and your folks are streching our
threshold limits like crazy. Having to take a behaviour twords you
folks that we deem you understand consistently, puts an enormous
discomfort on us for we have to stoop at such levels with disgust,
even though temperorily, just to make you folks get a simple message,
uncomprehensible to you when made politely. You can still get away
with a win-win situation. Please put an effort to understand our
frustration. This whole thing could have been avoided with proper net
etiquette from your state(Tamilnadu) folks.
tripur...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) wrote in message news:<81b78a45.04042...@posting.google.com>...
> fun...@rediffmail.com (Sesh) wrote in message news:<73bff8d6.04042...@posting.google.com>...
Sesh
I dont think anyone can request any further more with a polite language.
-- Seshadri.
tripur...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) wrote in message news:<81b78a45.04042...@posting.google.com>...
prathibha venkataswamy
Bangalore
1. I used to work at ADE, Bangalore. In my department (ASIEO) 70% of the
workers were tamilians from coffee boy to the department head. Why? Because
the head of the department was a tamilian and whenever he gets candidates..
his preference was very simple, get a tamilian. I was witness to it. I was a
consultant from a Pvt company, hence I did not have to be selected by him.
(Less than 10% were Kannadiagas). This is the situation in most of the DRDO
establishments in Bangalore. Please pay a visit and check for yourself.
2. Once my friend (he is a Karnataka Iyengar, thank you guys for making
Karnataka richer) had a fight with the ADE security. The reason? The
security guy asked my friend for the ID in tamil. My friend insisted that he
speak in either English, Kannada or Hindi but the guard continued in Tamil.
It could have been that the guard did not know Kannada and he might have
been new and the simplest thing would have been to state that (remember my
friend can speak and understand Tamil) he does not know and he will learn,
instead of arguing.
3. I used to frequent the Petrol Bunk next to "Shankar Nag" theatre on MG
Road. The guys working there by default talk to customers in Tamil (Yevala
Sir?). I had to fight for my right. You see, among yourselves talk what you
want but don't expect others to speak in your language in other places
(non-tamil).
4. When "Nalli Silks" opened it's showroom in Bangalore guess in what
langauge they used to speak to customers by default? I had to fight there
too.
5. When Rajkumar's fans were proceeding to install his cutouts at the
release of his film "Akasmika", they were attacked without provocation by
Tamil goons who had come in 12 autorickshaws under the Majestic underbridge.
6. Before Rajiv Gandhi's assassination Pirabakaran's posters were everywhere
in Srirampuram.
Give me one instance of such (above) behavior by other people (Kannadigas,
Telugu, Malayali etc) when they are in their non-native lands. Now you know
why there is a problem with Tamilians?
Madhu, you once stated that Supreme court had made remarks about Karnataka
having trouble with neighbours. You know why that happens? It's because we
are too soft that others want to take advantage of us and when we defend
ourselves it looks like we are troublemakers for people sitting in the
Supreme court, with all due respects to them.. the judges have not
understood the sentiments and issues before coming to such a conclusion.
It's just like India being taken advantage of by Pakistan and China, much of
our land is gone because of our softness.
Maharastra wants Belgaum, Bangalore Tamilians sent a missive to the
President to make Bangalore a Union Territory and not one fought for
Karnataka during the cauvery protest even though they were drinking cauvery
water and washing their ass using it, Andhra wants Hyderabad-Karnataka area
and they are all out to grab them. Have you ever been among monkeys with
groundnuts in your hand? Do you think that the monkeys will allow you to eat
peacefully eventhough the groundnut is yours? They will constantly try to
grab it from you. That is what is happening to Karnataka.
We are a open society, we have had no problems with people who can co-exist
and live peacefully with us (Check out our relationship with Telugu,
Malayali, Bengali, Hindi and other people). It's only when someone wants to
play monkey trick with us that we rise to defend ourselves. Naavu Aralidarey
Hoovu, Keralidarey Haavu.
If there is any intolerance it is in TN, you know it is the only state which
does not carry National Hindi news on DD and instead has Tamil news at that
time. Yet, you have the audacity to preach us about tolerance?
Go Get a life Madhu. If you or your folks have anything to contribute to
Kannada and it's culture on this newsgroup then you are always welcome. But
if Tamilians want to post Tamil related stuff here then they get what they
deserve. You have a group for Tamilians. Go and Post there.
I think I have said enough.
"Sesh" <fun...@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
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> Madhu Sudhan,
> naanu nimage aa postanna barililla. neevu adhakke uttara bariy
Madhu Sudhan
> I will add some more examples of real life experiences with Tamilians in
> Bangalore
I was so delighted when I read your post. I thought here was one
instance when some one was not abusing me just because I speak Tamil,
mind you amongst other languages.
However I was disappointed with one word, especially from a nice lady
like you. How this goonda "culture" has affected you, I am sorry.
I can give you numerous instances of discrimination too, including
personal instances of murder, molestation, property damage, extraction
of money etc etc. You should know the history of Bangalore. I am sure
you are new to Bangalore!
Please check: http://www.geocities.com/aayvarann/page3.html
Also check: http://www.iisg.nl/~sephis/pdf/nairpap.pdf an excellent
review by Janaki Nair.
You seem to know nothing about the Hindi imposition. Tamils saved all
south including Karnataka and Kannada.
Please note that Karnataka Tamils have full rights as Kannadigas do in
Karnataka. They will stay and live fully with their culture as they
choose. Kannada is your problem not theirs, if they choose not to
nurture kannada. They may choose to nurture only Tamil. So may Telugus
or Kanndigas in Tamil Nadu if they choose. Constitution guarantees all
freedom for all langauges in all states if case you are unaware.
You seem to mistrust the wisdom of the supreme court. Do you know the
Govt of Karnataka ( and Mysore) lost all( all!) their cases regarding
Cauvery for 150 yeas! Do you know any thing about cauvery. Cauvery
waters rightly belong to Tamil Nadu unless they choose to give it up.
Karnataka have *no rights* for it.
The majority computer jobs in Bangalore are largely Tamil and Telugu
people! See how we enrich economy! Why dont you ask the companies to
reserve the jobs for kannadigas?!!(like for SC and ST)
Karnataka Tamils will discuss what they want in karnataka news group.
In case you dont know this is not a kannada news group. If you want
start one, I will come there as I speak kannada too. So did many
Tamils such as Masthi, Kailasam, Pu Thi Naa , Rajarathnam etc. Please
note your iyengar friend worships in Tamil at home and in all
Vaishnava temples. He *has* to chant Tamil verses in Balaji temples.
He probably did not tell you. Mandated by Acharya Ramanuja. He may
also have Kamba Ramayanam at home. Mandated by Ach Ramanuja who sent
the iyengars to teach kanndigas about Narayana, your name! Kannadigas
did not know about Vishnu before. It had to be Ramanuja and Madhva,
from Tulu Nadu( not Kannada!) to inform you. Try to change that.
I will forgive you if you keep quiet.
Madhu Sudhan
> neeno ninna lataka patka kannadano ninnantha kongati mundevakke priya.
> (maduthaare innamele??!!)
>
> alla, when somebody says get out of my house, how come people like you
> come back begging and pleading to get in again.. swalpanadhru
> aatmabhimaana beda? maana maryadhe annodidhre taane nimmantorige.
>
Hey! Hey! Hey! Idhu nanna mane! Neenu hogappa ninna manege!
Kashmirakke hogappa! Ellindhano bandhubittu sumne mathanaduthiya.
Kashyappa anthe kashyappa! Ninna thale!
Sham Kashyap
maadishodhu waste. kanda kandalle sollegalanna hodedha haako haage
hosaki haakidaagle mikkavakke buddhi baradhu.
Sham Kashyap
dodda aparaadha. katthu hiski saayisibidabeku makla nimmanna.
prathibha venkataswamy
> However I was disappointed with one word, especially from a nice lady
> like you. How this goonda "culture" has affected you, I am sorry.
Why do you think I am nice? just b'cos I am a lady? Herein, lies the
genesis of all your problems. *Wrong Assumptions*
I have no problem with defending our rights whatever you may call it.
>
> I can give you numerous instances of discrimination too, including
> personal instances of murder, molestation, property damage, extraction
> of money etc etc. You should know the history of Bangalore. I am sure
> you are new to Bangalore!
>
Don't start teaching me history.. Pinhead
> Please check: http://www.geocities.com/aayvarann/page3.html
>
> Also check: http://www.iisg.nl/~sephis/pdf/nairpap.pdf an excellent
> review by Janaki Nair.
Everything has a cause and effect. You know the cause.. and the link you
have given shows the effect. More will come for people like you
>
> You seem to know nothing about the Hindi imposition. Tamils saved all
> south including Karnataka and Kannada.
Oh really? and you seem to know everything. You talk about Hindi
imposition.. but forget about what you are doing.
>
> Please note that Karnataka Tamils have full rights as Kannadigas do in
> Karnataka. They will stay and live fully with their culture as they
> choose.
Did I say you should give up your culture? I only said when you talk to me
don't expect me to know Tamil unless we are in TN
>Kannada is your problem not theirs, if they choose not to
> nurture kannada. They may choose to nurture only Tamil.
Sure nurture your language.. did I say otherwise? Talk to me in Kannada..
that is my point.
>So many Telugus or Kanndigas in Tamil Nadu if they choose. Constitution
guarantees all
> freedom for all langauges in all states if case you are unaware.
>
Again.. same answer.. what you speak amongst yourselves is not my business..
what you speak to me is!
> You seem to mistrust the wisdom of the supreme court. Do you know the
> Govt of Karnataka ( and Mysore) lost all( all!) their cases regarding
> Cauvery for 150 yeas! Do you know any thing about cauvery.
Tell me Mr. KnowAll.. what do you know?
>Cauvery
> waters rightly belong to Tamil Nadu unless they choose to give it up.
> Karnataka have *no rights* for it.
Should I laugh?
>
> The majority computer jobs in Bangalore are largely Tamil and Telugu
> people! See how we enrich economy! Why dont you ask the companies to
> reserve the jobs for kannadigas?!!(like for SC and ST)
>
My dear I was talking about DRDO, a Govt. enterprise where favouritism
rules. I have worked there for 6 years and I know what happens there. I was
not talking about any Pvt. enterprise.
> Karnataka Tamils will discuss what they want in karnataka news group.
> In case you dont know this is not a kannada news group. If you want
> start one, I will come there as I speak kannada too. So did many
> Tamils such as Masthi, Kailasam, Pu Thi Naa , Rajarathnam etc
You seem to overlook 2 things.
1. The nation was divided based on languages. So, Karnataka newsgroup is
definitely not for Tamil related issues
2. All the greats you have listed above enriched Kannada and not Tamil
> Please
> note your iyengar friend worships in Tamil at home and in all
> Vaishnava temples. He *has* to chant Tamil verses in Balaji temples.
> He probably did not tell you. Mandated by Acharya Ramanuja. He may
> also have Kamba Ramayanam at home. Mandated by Ach Ramanuja who sent
> the iyengars to teach kanndigas about Narayana, your name! Kannadigas
> did not know about Vishnu before. It had to be Ramanuja and Madhva,
> from Tulu Nadu( not Kannada!) to inform you. Try to change that.
>
There never is a problem to learn from others. It is totally irrelevant to
what we are discussing here. If we have to learn Tamil or French, it is
based on my needs and not on your needs.
I do know my Iyengar friend speaks Tamil at home etc. That is the difference
between you and him. He while preserving his culture.. fights for the rights
of the people of the land. Whereas you and your ilks.. seem to be a
knucklehead.
> I will forgive you if you keep quiet.
Well Madhu.. look at your ass in the mirror and see if it has a hole. Looks
like your mouth is full of shit.
KKnight
mamsada naivedya anthe" (courtesy Ranadheera). Haage ninna bhanda
baalige nanna suprabhatha kelde idre thinda anna argalla. Adakke
yeshtu beko ashtu ugitheeni ugasko aadre ninna naayi buddi maatra
bidbeda.
"neevu yeshtu helidaru avaru sumne iruvudilla" na? naanu aaginda ade
heltha irodu. Naanu yeshtu helidaru neenu sumne irtha ilvalla yaake?
Maadakke bere kemilva? Ade agle helidnalla ninna address kalsu, nanna
shata kittu parcel maadtheeni kuthkondu straight madovanthe. Adu
yeshtu jana mindarige huttidiyo?
Jai
KK
tripur...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) wrote in message news:<81b78a45.04042...@posting.google.com>...
Madhu Sudhan
> > waters rightly belong to Tamil Nadu unless they choose to give it up.
> > Karnataka have *no rights* for it.
>
> Should I laugh?
No. cry and apologise. Pray for better attitudes, himulity and
brotherhood for all of humanity.
>> > The majority computer jobs in Bangalore are largely Tamil and
Telugu
> > people! See how we enrich economy! Why dont you ask the companies to
> > reserve the jobs for kannadigas?!!(like for SC and ST)
> >
>
> My dear I was talking about DRDO, a Govt. enterprise where favouritism
> rules. I have worked there for 6 years and I know what happens there. I was
> not talking about any Pvt. enterprise.
My foot! Favouritism in favour of Tamils in Karnataka, aracist state!
Joke! Like Hitler favoured Jews in Germany!
> You seem to overlook 2 things.
> 1. The nation was divided based on languages. So, Karnataka newsgroup is
> definitely not for Tamil related issues
Non sense. You know nothing like all goondas. The nation was not to be
linguistic lslands at all. The constitution guarantees people to
speak,learn, communictae transact in any language in any state for any
one as they choose. Read the constitution. It is avalibale on the web
and give it to your goonda followers too if they are literate or tell
them. Goondas think linguistic division means linguistic islands. My
foot! Tamils can speak in Tamil any where, so can kannadigas or
Telugus. I am very disapponted at your knowledge of Indian
constitution. Shame you write s o much knowing nothing.
Even a kothi can type nowadays.
> 2. All the greats you have listed above enriched Kannada and not Tamil
My foot! Kannada had no literature. That is why Tamils came. built
buildings, roads such as Vidhan Soudha, started literature, a religion
thru Ach Ramanuja. Basava leart from Saiva Sidhanthins about Saivism.
Even Kannada language is old Tamil written in Telugu script.
Allscholars except goondas now that.
I am glad you admitted you are a male goonda
Kannadakke beru thamile!
Inna hechu maathanadidhare baaki samaachaara ella baruthedhe
Madhu Sudhan
> mamsada naivedya anthe" (courtesy Ranadheera). Haage ninna bhanda
> baalige nanna suprabhatha kelde idre thinda anna argalla. Adakke
> yeshtu beko ashtu ugitheeni ugasko aadre ninna naayi buddi maatra
> bidbeda.
>
Goonda masther! Neenu bariyuvadhella naanu odhuvudhe illa!
Kaiyige bere olle kelesa kodu.
Sesh
Looks like I am forced to veer around to your point.
JaaNanige maathina peTTu.....
- Seshadri.
Sham Kashyap <sha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<EwDjc.4856$5a.2513@okepread03>...
prathibha venkataswamy
typical roadside, shanty home slum dwelling typical Kongati. I will start
talking to you at your own level.
No wonder you have been spoken thrashed by others on the msg board.
Cry? You are the one who should cry. Poor Madras has no water. It's all bad
Karma you guys have inherited.
Racist state? Still Kongatis want to come to our state.
Idiot. I repeated thousand times that you have the right to speak whatever
language you want amongst yourselves but you have to live like roman in
Rome. Did I say ever that you should forget your language?
You think you know a lot? don't you? Typical of fools.
You righlt said that even Kothi/Kongati can write.
Keep dreaming MF. You will only have to drink our piss.
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Sham Kashyap
karnataka racist state thaane. idhu ninna maneno nimmappana maneno... we
do'nt care. naavu ninnanna aache dabbakkintha munche bega kalchkandre
vaasi. illa, cauveri galatele sathralla nimmantha paapishta baddethavu,
avargintha keelagi saaitheeya.
software industry nimminda taane nadiyadhu hogi nimma konganaadinalli
nadisi nodana..yella karnatakakke yake odi bartheera anisthamundeva..
namma javaanru neevu. jaavanru jaavanara thara idhre baduktheera... illa
obbabbana tale kaditheeve. kanbittu nodo bosudi. idi jagath tumbha yelle
hodru ardhakkardha jaavanagiri chaakri maadorella nimmantha konga
mudhevigale. nimma levelle ishtu. taleli mooru kaasilla maathadakke
barthaane biknasi.
aa sahithigalella appitappi nimma level tappskandu namma level tanka
bandiddhu nimma punya. namma conductor obbanna hidkandu tale mele
koorskandidheeralla.. nimma level nodkandu muchkandiri.
nimmajji mane ganta cauvery?
ninnajji righteLu hutlilla annsibidtheevi.
Madhu Sudhan
> OK now since logic does not seem to make sense to you and you speak like a
> typical roadside, shanty home slum dwelling typical Kongati. I will start
> talking to you at your own level.
>
Hey! Goonda master. Are you not ashamed of using a woman's name?
Hiding in some woman's petticoat? Naachige aagalve?
Come out and speak properly! Dont be a coward. Are you wearing
bangles as well? A sari too, may be?
Do you know Kempe Gownder was a kongati? He was born in Tamil Nadu and
his ancestors were from Kanchipuram? So were Raja Kumar's parents!
Do you even know what Konga means, goondaji?
prathibha venkataswamy
According to you shit holes.. changing names is all you want to change
colours?
So KG is a tamilian just like Shivaji Rao Gaekwad is? just like MGR is? just
like Jayalalitha is?
Here is who a konga is.. a MF bastard.. a rotten slime who lives off on
other peoples land.. monkey who defecates and eats it's own shit.
Enough? or Do you want more moron?
Also.. just to mention couple of things on the subject of PuTiNa, Masti and
other greats. They were driven out by your MF Dravidian Movement. They
sought sanctuary in Kannada Nadu where they were nurtured and they in turn
enriched us. If only if you idiots had kept them.. they would probably have
enriched Tamil literature. Now you know who is a racist? Who drove their own
people out of their state? You have the audacity to claim them? You SOB.
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KKnight
kiss my brown ass konga, that's all u can get. Forget abt Kaveri.
By the way, the bitch (Jaya Lalitha) who rules you and your many
fathers (ask your mom for details) is from Mysore. Her mom used dance
in Wodeyar's palace for money and everyone right from the king to the
guy who cleans horse crap used to bang her. He he he!!! happy? Now
tell me who is ur big daddy.
Shut the fuck up and leave.
I just realized how big a LOOSER you are. I checked the tamil group
and there is not even a single post by you. And here u r mudslinging
at kannadigas. Get a life moron.
Matthe sigona "sooth". (See I am learning some good Tamil words just
for your sake) ASS.
Jai
KK
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Nijju
Iyergala hesru helthare. Avaru kanndadalli yake baredru? Avarige
kannadada bagge prithi itthu, daridra tamil bagge alla. Adondu varatu
bhashe. Bhasheya jote alliya janaru varatu. swalpanu manners irolla.
Kareyade baruvannanna keradinda hodeyo .... Sarvagna....
tripur...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) wrote in message news:<81b78a45.04041...@posting.google.com>...
> Sham Kashyap <sha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<c5fo0i$25n$1...@cnn.cns.ksu.edu>...
> > Sorry for the delay in the reply.
> >
> > There is no doubt or arbitration when it comes to who a Kannadiga is.
> > A kannadiga is one who knows Kannada and wants to use it in all walks of
> > life.
>
> In all walks of life? Then there are very few kanndigas in karnataka.
> English is widely used in adminsitrarion, schools, colleges etc etc.
> People speak Tulu, Coorgi, Sankethi etc at home. You are not a
> kannidiga at all as you are now using English and not kannada in *all*
> walks of life.
>
> > As long as one loves the language kannada, he is a Kannadiga.
>
> How is love defined and determined? Can one love Tamil and Kannada at
> the same time as T.P. Kailasam, Rajarathnam, Pu.Thi.Naa, Balasundaram
> Iyer and Masthi Venkatesha Iyengar? Can one love Malayalam and Kannada
> as Kasthri? Can one love Marathi and Kannada as Bendre? Is love only
> for one language. Can one love English as well as French. What about
> sanskrit?
>
> Are you aware a mother can have more than one child and love them
> all?
>
>
> > Location/descent/mothertongue does not matter at all.
>
> Then can Tamils love Tamil in Karnataka? Can muslims love Urdu in
> Karnataka?
>
> Or it is only for people to "love" kannada and this law is not
> applicable to other languages especially Tamil?!
KKnight
kelasa kodtheeni kaige kaalige yella. Aaga naanu Kannadiganaagi
huttiddakke sarthaka agatthe, obba bevarsi kongana thika hodedu
aaspathre serisde antha. Ninnakkan.
Jai
KK
tripur...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) wrote in message news:<81b78a45.04042...@posting.google.com>...
Madhu Sudhan
> Now I am not a lady at all to you Konga?
>
> According to you shit holes.. changing names is all you want to change
> colours?
>
> So KG is a tamilian just like Shivaji Rao Gaekwad is? just like MGR is? just
> like Jayalalitha is?
Hey! Goondappa or goondamma! Yaake kopa? See any of my posts. I have
never used any abusive language ever. See your posts and all other
goondannas. They all use filthy language.
In fact no goondanna or goondamma has ever defined who a kannadiga
is. You seem to be an iyengar who is exploiting kannadigas. Do well.
Many of these posts are not from real kanandigas at all. See
Kashpappa, he is from Kashmir. This KK is, I bet not a kannadiga at
all, in the sense a third generation kannadiga( my definition!). He
may be a Telugu hiding in kannada skin. Usually real kannadigas dont
visit internet or other fora and discuss much like Tamils.
But dont forget what Acharya Ramanuja told you. Venerate Tamil and
sanskrit both.
Om namo narayanaya
prathibha venkataswamy
Hey *Wrong Assumptions* Gandu-appa.. get a brain scan done soon. Instead of
blabbering about who is or who is not a Kannadiga on this msg board.. answer
to the points I have made. Whenever you are hit with facts and truth.. you
go tangential.
You think like a 3rd grader and no more. His name is Kash so he is from
Kashmir? I praise Iyengars.. so I am a Iyengari? What idiotic arguements?
*Real Kannadigas* do not visit internet and discuss like Tamils? Why? Is
Internet your "Thata's Sottu"? or is it that all the Internet cafe's you
have visited stinks with Konga's ass?
Even considering your idiotness has a meaning.. why would a Kashmiri or an
Iyengari or a Telugu person have to fight for Kannadiga's? Go get an
education SOB.
Sesh
I think we have a fair picture of these folks.
These people are sitting in a muddy gutter and stinking. But they
think they are having a bath in a parama sughanda sarovara. Rolling
over and over in it like there is no end to the world. The point is
the more we try to tell them that they are in a gutter, the more they
throw the mud at us and they enjoy doing it all the time. While we
think we have to pity them, they think its fun in their kochche world.
They are stunningly a world apart with very few exceptions.
This guy has no idea of karnataka or its history nor does he
understand us as a community or people. Some decaying nut on a website
spews nonsense and this guy believes it like its his Bible. The guy
thinks the suns dawns everyday with Tamilians.
Surprisingly, this guy has nothing to offer to our arguments other
than postulates and fiction. naavu haako vaada/vivaadagalu hege
tappagutte anta ondu sariyaada maatu irolla...addarabadalu...namma
mele kalla apavaada shuru maaDodu.
charitre tumba chennagide ivaradu. Its a pity this guy has chosen us
over everybody else in the world for his world's chaturya
pradharshana.
- Seshadri.
prathibha venkataswamy
Nimma Maathu "Dhita Dhita" Antha Prathidwanisuhtey...
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Sham Kashyap
bangalore nalli irodhadhre nimhans ge admit aago hucchkongeshwara...
atva ivakkella naave kaarana na antha.. paapa hucchnaayige hodeyo haage
hodeskondamele ee partyge mathibramane aagidha antha kanatthe. adhre
modle buddhi ittho ilvo annodhu gahanavaadha prashne. mostly tale tumbha
tamil sagani tumbkandirbodha hege?
Madhu Sudhan
> Seshadri Avare..
>
> Nimma Maathu "Dhita Dhita" Antha Prathidwanisuhtey...
>
Hey! Prathibamma, nanage ninna samaachaara gothaagidhe! Bharath is
important not just a region. Dont let people divide Hindus on basis of
language etc
Jai Hind
Gajendra
"Madhu Sudhan" <tripur...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Madhu Sudhan
> Lo Daridra Mundeydey.. BayiMuuch Kathey..
>
Are you talking to your mother?
Sham Kashyap
Madhu Sudhan
Hey! Gajasura, are you also a goondappa or goondanna?
Why are you busy dividing Hindus on the basis of language fanaticism, goondappa?
Gajendra
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Madhu Sudhan
> Lo Hale Pisachi....Yestu Janakey Hutidhiya? Bevarsi Magnay!
>
guru, why he taught you all this bad language
Ganesha will come and cut off your head, gajaasura
Gajendra
Galtemadthidhyalla... adanu madkondu EllraAthira UgaskonduIru..
Kannada-Tamil antha Shuru madbeda.. IllaAndrey Ningay Idhey Maathunews:81b78a45.04052...@posting.google.com...
pund kamath
> Lo Bevarsi...
Don't you think there are better things to do than these wallowing in
poisonous hate talk?