Can Kannadigas accept Tamil as official language?
hebbar S
Hi
I have a question to all Kannadigas. I have never
lived in Karnataka. Is Hindi accepted as a National
language in Karnataka or is there a strong opposition
like Tamil Nadu.
I know Hindi films are very popular in Karnataka.
Also I read statistics about Karnataka. Less than
60% of state population speaks Kannada. In Bangalore
less than 30% speak Kannada. Only Assam is the other
state where less percentage of people speak the
state language. Karnataka is the most cosmopolitan
state in the country.( I was surprised by this
as I thought Maharashtra or Mumbai would be the
most cosmopilitan.)
Also will Kannadigas accept Tamil as the official
language , just to have one official South Indian
language?
SH
hebbar S
B.G. Mahesh
According to hebbar S <Heb...@worldnet.att.net>:
+ Hi
+
+ I have a question to all Kannadigas. I have never
+ lived in Karnataka. Is Hindi accepted as a National
+ language in Karnataka or is there a strong opposition
+ like Tamil Nadu.
Hindi is opposed in Karnataka but not to the extent
you see in TN.
+ Also will Kannadigas accept Tamil as the official
+ language , just to have one official South Indian
+ language?
+
I am sure Kannadigas will never accept Tamil
as the official lang just as TN will NEVER accept
Kannada as their official language (PS: I am
NOT proposing Kannada or any language to be the official
lang of South India)
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ramaprasad_k_v
In article , hebbar says...
>I have a question to all Kannadigas. I have never
>lived in Karnataka. Is Hindi accepted as a National
>language in Karnataka or is there a strong opposition
>like Tamil Nadu.
There is no opposition to Hindi as such. It is
tought in schools ( but that Hindi is of no use,
if you want to sommunicate with somebody
who knows only Hindi !!) . No agitatioons with
tar painting on Hindi boards in Railway stations.
As I have observed, only in Karnataka you can see
venders in Railway stations selling their stuff in
non-native languages ! You can get 'mor' -- ( majjige )
being sold in B'lore railway station and 'kAkadi' --
(soutEkAyi) sold in Hubli railway station. One may
argue that this is for the convinence of people on
transit, but you'd never see 'majjige' being sold in
Erode or Salem & 'soutekAyi' at SolApur & Pune.
>
>I know Hindi films are very popular in Karnataka.
>Also I read statistics about Karnataka. Less than
>60% of state population speaks Kannada. In Bangalore
>less than 30% speak Kannada. Only Assam is the other
>state where less percentage of people speak the
>state language. Karnataka is the most cosmopolitan
>state in the country.( I was surprised by this
>as I thought Maharashtra or Mumbai would be the
>most cosmopilitan.)
This seems little of the mark ! The number of
Kannadiga's may be one about one third , in
Bangalore, but AFAIK, many people whose
mothertounge is not Kannada, also speak
Kannada.
You can not judge by the viewrship of movies alone.
Generally good movies of all languages run
in Karnataka.
>Also will Kannadigas accept Tamil as the official
>language , just to have one official South Indian
>language?
>
For what reason ? How does it matter ? To most
Kannadigas Tamil is understood with as much
difficulty as Hindi - probably more, given the
exposure to Hindi programs on TV. There can be
no common 'official' south indian language - as
each of them have lots in common , yet different
and maintain their individuality.
Ramaprasad K V
kv...@hotmail.com
Kolahal Kurratti
hebbar S <Heb...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Hi
>
>I have a question to all Kannadigas. I have never
>lived in Karnataka. Is Hindi accepted as a National
>language in Karnataka or is there a strong opposition
>like Tamil Nadu.
I dont think Hindi has been opposed as a National
language in Karnataka. Of course there are chauvinistic
groups of Puttappa Patil and Vatal Nagaraj who
have opposed every language other than Kannada.
There is Rajkumar Fan's Assocoation who have
opposed Tamil, Marathi in the state.
Bangalore has had anti-Tamil riots. Even though
Kannada and Marathi is spoken in North Karnataka
politician have exploited Kannada/Marathi issue.
>I know Hindi films are very popular in Karnataka.
>Also I read statistics about Karnataka. Less than
>60% of state population speaks Kannada. In Bangalore
>less than 30% speak Kannada. Only Assam is the other
>state where less percentage of people speak the
>state language. Karnataka is the most cosmopolitan
>state in the country.( I was surprised by this
>as I thought Maharashtra or Mumbai would be the
>most cosmopilitan.)
Yes, though less than 30% Bangloreans have Kannada
as mother tounge I think Kannada is understood
by a much larger percentage.
The main reason for Karnataka to have so few people
with Kannada as mother tounge.
1. In border areas
2. Muslims in Karnataka speak Urdu.
3. There is a large percentage who speak Tulu, Coorgi,
Konkani . Kannada is understood by all the people.
In fact most Konkani people are fluent in Kannada
and Marathi.
>Also will Kannadigas accept Tamil as the official
>language , just to have one official South Indian
>language?
I dont think Kannadigas would have more affection for
Tamil just because it's a Dravidian language.
In fact anti-Tamil sentiments are much more than
anti-Hindi sentiments.
>SH
>
naresh
hebbar S wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I know Hindi films are very popular in Karnataka.
> Also I read statistics about Karnataka. Less than
> 60% of state population speaks Kannada. In Bangalore
> less than 30% speak Kannada. Only Assam is the other
> state where less percentage of people speak the
> state language. Karnataka is the most cosmopolitan
> state in the country.( I was surprised by this
> as I thought Maharashtra or Mumbai would be the
> most cosmopilitan.)
>
> language , just to have one official South Indian
> language?
>
No one Karnataka would accept Tamil as the official language.
Not any natives atleast. And the opposition to Hindi is not
strong. But there is no use selecting an official language
for south India, what purpose would it serve?
Eventually all commerce will be conducted in english, and
perhaps all communications everywhere; if not verbal communications
then written (via internet) ones. So speak Tamil or kannada or
Hindi at home, but English outside; this way you can preserve
your heritage while not imposing it on others. -- Naresh.
Bryan Charles Siegfried
B.G. Mahesh (mah...@atax.eng.uab.edu) wrote:
: According to hebbar S <Heb...@worldnet.att.net>:
: + I have a question to all Kannadigas. I have never
: + lived in Karnataka. Is Hindi accepted as a National
: + language in Karnataka or is there a strong opposition
: + like Tamil Nadu.
: Hindi is opposed in Karnataka but not to the extent
: you see in TN.
In my experience in Bangalore and the Mysore district, people
might know Hindi, but they use Kannada. Tamil as Karnataka's
official language is laughable. The Tamil speakers in
Bangalore are almost all immigrants from TN (Hosur, Sarjapura,
Chennai, etc.). Native Tamil villages are hard to find
north of MartaLLi... I would bet there are far, far more
Marathi speakers in Karnataka than native Tamils. Besides,
Konkani and Tulu speaking people practically have their homelands
in Karnataka. That is the reason so few people in Karnataka
are native Kannada speakers (60% of the land is Kannadiga, more
or less). That is also the reason Karnataka is less likely
to develop some Kannada-First attitude. The minute anythin like that
gets very powerful, Tulu Nad, the Konkan, and maybe even Kodagu
will want to leave Karnataka.
Karnataka is actually a great example for the rest of India.
They have a diversity of linguistic groups. There is a
"relatively" common language, but the government is not
particularly aggressive about making everyone speak it. I'll
qualify that statement by saying I haven't spent much time
in the non-Kannadiga regions of Karnataka, but in Bangalore
the policy is pretty lax. Mamny government offices are still
functioning in English. (Well, maybe they're not actually
functioning =) =)
Bryan
nannu karNaTakige vaapas bartiddeene =)
Sridhar
bsi...@uic.edu (Bryan Charles Siegfried) wrote:
>B.G. Mahesh (mah...@atax.eng.uab.edu) wrote:
>: According to hebbar S <Heb...@worldnet.att.net>:
>: + I have a question to all Kannadigas. I have never
>: + lived in Karnataka. Is Hindi accepted as a National
>: + like Tamil Nadu.
>: Hindi is opposed in Karnataka but not to the extent
>: you see in TN.
One other reason Hindi and other Indian languages
are understood in Karnataka is because of the
donation engineering and medical colleges. Even
small towns like Manipal, Shimoga have colleges
where majority of the students are from AP,
Maharashtra.
IN Manipal most of the shopkeepers speak Telugu,
Hindi, Marathi etc.
Swamy Bale
In article <5us79k$t...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Sridhar <sri...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>bsi...@uic.edu (Bryan Charles Siegfried) wrote:
>>B.G. Mahesh (mah...@atax.eng.uab.edu) wrote:
>>: According to hebbar S <Heb...@worldnet.att.net>:
>
One reason why there are so many non kannadigas in Bangalore is due to the
rapid industrialization during 1950s and 60s and close proximity to the
border. It was mistake made by Kengal Hanumanthaiah. He lobbied heavily
to locate the public sectors in Bangalore. While there were not enough
skilled workers available locally, out of state people poured into Bangalore.
Go to any public sector, you see tamilians, telugus, bengalis, keralites
and ofcourse kannadigas.
Even people work in Hosur, but live in Bangalore. Multinationals and
software boom also contributed to the problem. Go to any software firm in
Bangalore you will find majority of the employees are non kannadigas.
If Davanagere was made state capital and the public sectors would have been
distributed all over the state, we would have a true pensioners paradise
in Bangalore today.
Every government had its share in destroying Bangalore and now Mysore is
becoming next Bangalore.
just my two cents.
Swamy S. Bale
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hebbar S <Heb...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<5unknf$f...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>
> Hi
> I have a question to all Kannadigas. I have never
> like Tamil Nadu.
>
>
I don't know what makes the author to ask this question. According your
statistics, 60% of the population speaks Kannada. First you should know how
many languages are spoken in Karnataka. I am sure almost every district in
Karnataka has people speaking other languages along with Kannada(for
example: Uttar Kannada - Marathi, Konkani, Kannada, Urdu or Hindi;
Dakshina Kannada - you have people speaking Tulu, Kannada, Konkani,
Marathi, Kodava, Malayalum, Hindi depending on the region; Shimoga- Urdu,
Hindi, Kannada, Konkani, Tulu; Dharwad - Kannada, Marathi, Konkani, Telugu,
Urdu, Hindi; Coorg - Kodava, Kannada, Tulu; Of course, Bangalore and Mysore
everybody knows) and the list continues in almost all districts people
speaking other languages along with the official language Kannada.
Remember, almost everybody can understand and speak Kannada, even if
somebody uses other language at home. Therefore, there is no question of
any other language becoming the official language and of course, the
question doesn't arise at all.
Hindi is well accepted in Karnataka as a National language.
Prakash
pha...@bccancer.bc.ca
Shivakumar G V
hebbar S (Heb...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: Also will Kannadigas accept Tamil as the official
: language , just to have one official South Indian
: language?
No, this is unnecessary. Everytime we make one language as
an official language, remember that we unwittingly accept a greater
status to that language. It is only very natural that we want to
think of our mother tongue as our first preference. Already, enough
damage has been done. I dont understand why we need a third official
language. Actually, the very concept of a single national language
is not a well thought one. We can live without a single national
language. We have accepted Hindi as a communication language, not
as a national language. English and Hindi are the official languages
of Indian Union, please note official. Thats for official purposes.
Karnataka has more number of other language speaking people, since
the people of Karnataka are accomodative, just like the people of
Maharashtra. We want to remain cordial to everyone in the future
also. That does not mean that we will accept some other language
as an official language, just because we have many people speaking
languages other than Kannada. This sort of puts us down, and makes
us ponder whether we were wrong in being cordial. I dont want to
think like that though.
Actually, what we need is to repect other languages, and
learn to live with others. When you go to a place, associate yourselves
with the locals there, associate with the culture of the region.
Diversity is as important as Unity for the real identity of India.
Let me make it clear. I can speak Kannada, Hindi, English.
Can reasonably understand and speak Tamil, can understand Gujarati
and Telugu. No I wont accept Tamil as the thrid official language.
Let us learn to accept and respect all languages.
shivu
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According to naresh <nmy...@mtest.teradyne.com>:
+
+ No one Karnataka would accept Tamil as the official language.
+ Not any natives atleast. And the opposition to Hindi is not
+ strong. But there is no use selecting an official language
+ for south India, what purpose would it serve?
well it does someone ;-) there will be some goondiasm, bandhs,
deaths and who benefits from all this mess - our
patriotic politicians ;-)
+ Eventually all commerce will be conducted in english, and
+ perhaps all communications everywhere; if not verbal communications
+ then written (via internet) ones. So speak Tamil or kannada or
+ Hindi at home, but English outside; this way you can preserve
+ your heritage while not imposing it on others. -- Naresh.
very much true.
Hebbar S
bsi...@uic.edu (Bryan Charles Siegfried) wrote:
>B.G. Mahesh (mah...@atax.eng.uab.edu) wrote:
>: According to hebbar S <Heb...@worldnet.att.net>:
>: + lived in Karnataka. Is Hindi accepted as a National
>: + language in Karnataka or is there a strong opposition
>: + like Tamil Nadu.
>: Hindi is opposed in Karnataka but not to the extent
>: you see in TN.
>
>might know Hindi, but they use Kannada. Tamil as Karnataka's
>official language is laughable. The Tamil speakers in
I never proposed Tamil to be the official language
of Karnataka. There was a similar thread already
being discussed in this newsgroup.
Tamils have always opposed imposition of Hindi and
some person posted saying that one South Indian
language should be taught in Hindi speaking states.
And there many replies to this thread that most
South Indians would agree to Tamil being official
language along with Hindi, English anf the state
language.
ramaprasad_k_v
In article , Hebbar says...
>
>I never proposed Tamil to be the official language
>of Karnataka. There was a similar thread already
>being discussed in this newsgroup.
Very sensible :-))
>Tamils have always opposed imposition of Hindi and
>some person posted saying that one South Indian
>language should be taught in Hindi speaking states.
>And there many replies to this thread that most
>South Indians would agree to Tamil being official
>language along with Hindi, English anf the state
>language.
Poor things, For many ( please note, not for all)
people in Tamil Nadu , Tamil Nadu is south India
and Tamil is THE south indian language. And also,
to compound this fact of ignorence of many in
the North about the diversity of Indian languages !
Every south Indian is a Madrasi !! The suggestion that
Tamil should be the 3rd official language and that
'most south Indians would agree to that' must have
been made in such ignorence.
Just like Tamils oppose the imposition of Hindi,
Kannadigas also would oppose the imposition
of Hindi or Tamil. But AFAIK, Kannadigas have
not had the fanaticism not to learn another
language when the situation warranted it and
made islands of themselves !
Ramaprasad K V
Vimala Siddalingaiah
I do not think that Kannadigas have opposed to Hindi being the National
Language. But at the same time they may not like Tamil to be the one -
becuase then why not Kannada right? or any other SI L's for that matter.
In the first place why did Hindi become the NL - probably because it is
spoken by vast majority of the people than any other L. or not to have
English as the one I believe.
Nowadays with the advent of TV the children are exposed to Hindi all over
India and I think they have liking towards the language.
Now I am not sure how any thing works in India. Local Govts use their
languages (to certain extent - I am not sure) then does the central govt
use Hindi to communicate with local govts? and what about state govts?
what do they use?
Do all of them use English? if so then .....
hebbar S (Heb...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: Hi
: I have a question to all Kannadigas. I have never
: lived in Karnataka. Is Hindi accepted as a National
: language in Karnataka or is there a strong opposition
: like Tamil Nadu.
: I know Hindi films are very popular in Karnataka.
: Also I read statistics about Karnataka. Less than
: 60% of state population speaks Kannada. In Bangalore
: less than 30% speak Kannada. Only Assam is the other
: state where less percentage of people speak the
: state language. Karnataka is the most cosmopolitan
: state in the country.( I was surprised by this
: as I thought Maharashtra or Mumbai would be the
: most cosmopilitan.)
: Also will Kannadigas accept Tamil as the official
: language , just to have one official South Indian
: language?
: SH
ramaprasad_k_v
Hi netters,
A few weeks before there was a Udayavani thread running in SCICK.
But seriously, I'm not able to read Udayavani even after I have
downloaded and installed the fonts. ( I can see the fonts in control
panel). I tried to search for that thread, but seems like it is not available
in the news server database :-(
Could anybody help me what can I do to read Udayavani ? I'm
using Internet explorer ( No I'm not a Microsoft fan , I can use
Netscape also ) on Windows 95. You can e-mail your workqround
to kv...@hotmail.com
Thanks in advance
Ramaprasad K V
Ashwini Kumar
: I have a question to all Kannadigas. I have never
: lived in Karnataka. Is Hindi accepted as a National
: language in Karnataka or is there a strong opposition
: like Tamil Nadu.
: Also will Kannadigas accept Tamil as the official
: language, just to have one official South Indian
: language?
Sure; I think, Kannadigas may accept Tamil as the official
langauge of Tamil Nadu. for that metter even Arabs, French
and Zairians may not hesitate to accept it as such.
Worst case scenario, even if they reject to recognize Tamil as
the offical language of Tamil Nadu, why does anybody(even Tamil
speaking people) care?
South Indian? I don't think there is an official or formal
South Indian territory as yet. or Do you wish to rename
Tamil Nadu as South India like Mysore state was renamed Karnataka?
If so, you may want to check with a few Tamil freinds before proposing
that, they may prefer a Tamil word for 'South'.
Bapu Patil
I would suggest Tamil to accept Kannada as official language. Since now
a days
most people migrate to Karnataka(Bangalore- Silicon Valley, the Garden
city).
It is good for them to learn kannada or atleast undertsand kannada
before
entering karnataka. It is better to have them Kannada as a basic
language in
school.
-Patil, Bapu
> According to hebbar S <Heb...@worldnet.att.net>:
> + Hi
> +
> + I have a question to all Kannadigas. I have never
> + lived in Karnataka. Is Hindi accepted as a National
> + language in Karnataka or is there a strong opposition
> + like Tamil Nadu.
Vimala Siddalingaiah
I was unable to install the fonts following the directions that Udayavani
put up for Netscape. Was able to install the fonts using Microsoft
Internet Explorer by following their directions.
RamaprasadKV wrote:
: Hi netters,
K. Srinivasan
Vimala Siddalingaiah wrote:
>
> : I know Hindi films are very popular in Karnataka.
> : Also I read statistics about Karnataka. Less than
> : 60% of state population speaks Kannada. In Bangalore
> : less than 30% speak Kannada.
> : state in the country.
> : SH
When the greater Karnataka state was formed in 1960s, yes,
it had only 60% Kannada speaking people. That is because
languages of the same family do not have sharp borders.
Numerous dialects make the change almost continous.
Should not the Kannadigas consider themselves lucky to
have inherited a large territory? Usually, in a couple
of generations, all the south indian minorities tend to
assimilate locally. The children born to the 40% non-Kannada
origin are all 100% Kannada speaking, to my knowledge, today.
Yes, some of the old people might not have found it
necessary to learn anything new.
Most of those who do not understand Kannada are the recent ones
from north, who have everything TV radio, shops available in Hindi.
ks
Ashwini Kumar
B.G. Mahesh (mah...@atax.eng.uab.edu) wrote:
: According to hebbar S <Heb...@worldnet.att.net>:
: + Hi
: +
: + I have a question to all Kannadigas. I have never
: + lived in Karnataka. Is Hindi accepted as a National
: + language in Karnataka or is there a strong opposition
: + like Tamil Nadu.
: Hindi is opposed in Karnataka but not to the extent
: you see in TN.
: I am sure Kannadigas will never accept Tamil
: as the official lang just as TN will NEVER accept
: Kannada as their official language (PS: I am
: NOT proposing Kannada or any language to be the official
: lang of South India)
TN will NEVER accept Kannada as their official langauge?
Considering the fact that Kannada is the official language
of Karnataka and by looking at the number of Tamil speaking
people coming over to live in Kannada cities everyday since time
immemorial, it could be said in no uncertain terms that Tamils
have already accepted Kannada as their offical language by choice.
Sure, it is not the love of Kannada that is attracting them
to Kannada cities, however, people tend to accept and even seek out
to other languages if they see economic opportunity in doing so.
"Tamil or Kannada?" - it is just "Show me the Money!". Kannada
seems to have an upper hand in this regard.
Ashwini Kumar
Raman KV (ram...@metabyte.com) wrote:
: The kannada chaluvali guys are basically for Kannada.
You are right.
: They hate all other languages equally without prejudice.
I don't think that is the case. If you are for Kannada,
does not mean you hate all other languages.
: As far as the general public goes, let's say you are
: lost and you want directions. Go to any shop in any
: town in Karnataka and ask the shop keeper for directions
: in the language you can speak. He will either try to get
: somebody who speaks your language or try to answer you in
: his own 'haruku-muruku' version of that language. The focus
: is to communicate.
The focus here is to help. Communication is just one tool
in helping a needy.
:This is not the case in TN. You've got to speak Tamil if you want
:to get anywhere.
Is it that they don't want to help people who cannot speak
Tamil? Another reason: Tamil Nadu is a place where visitors
don't go often and those guys are not used to people who
cannot speak Tamil.
: The trouble begins when the language issue is politicized (sp?)
: Eg: Making it compulsory and state sponsored bundhs etc.
There is always trouble if you look for one. Politicizing it
is the only way to solve an issue involving general public.
I don't think hospitalizing it or privatizing it will do.
Ashwini Kumar
Vimala Siddalingaiah (vsid...@csc.com) wrote:
: I do not think that Kannadigas have opposed to Hindi being the National
: Language.
May be they should!
Even if India needs a national language, Hindi has little or no
economic value.
Hindi speaking regions are generally backward and I don't see them to
be of any economic significance any time soon.
Children in Karnataka are taught an additional subject Hindi in schools
at the expense of more useful subjects in science, maths and Kannada
literature. It would be beneficial to everybody (including teachers and
students) if we eliminate Hindi as a compulsary subject and see
how many of them would opt for it on their own.
: In the first place why did Hindi become the NL - probably because it is
: spoken by vast majority of the people than any other L. or not to have
Let me digress a bit here - There are more people of German
descent than any other ethnic group in the US. Why is German not the
national language of the US? Ans: Brits were the original rulers.
Why is chinese not the official language of International communication?
The answer is obvious. Similarly, Hindi was the mother tounge of
people who had the power to choose a national language.
: Nowadays with the advent of TV the children are exposed to Hindi all over
: India and I think they have liking towards the language.
Liking? I don't think they have any option.
If more TV programmes are available in Kannada, it would be the
natural choice.
Ashwini Kumar
Bapu Patil (bpa...@cup.hp.com) wrote:
: I would suggest Tamil to accept Kannada as official language.
: Since now a days most people migrate to Karnataka(Bangalore-
: Silicon Valley, the Garden city).
: It is good for them to learn kannada or atleast undertsand kannada
: before entering karnataka. It is better to have them Kannada as a basic
: language in school.
: -Patil, Bapu
Technically, once a Tamil(or any other langauge) speaking person
starts living in Karnataka, Kannada becomes his/her official
langauge by law. This fact does not change just because he/she
cannot speak/read/write Kannada. So, it would serve the his/her own
interest to learn the official langauge. The Karnataka Govt should
make an attempt to help(may not be free of charge) these people to
do so.
Sridhar
aku...@st6000.sct.edu (Ashwini Kumar) wrote:
>Vimala Siddalingaiah (vsid...@csc.com) wrote:
>: I do not think that Kannadigas have opposed to Hindi being the National
>: Language.
>
> May be they should!
I don't think Kannadigas would oppose Hindi. Ofcourse
they would oppose at the expense of their mother
tounge. Any state would oppose that.
In fact TamilNadu is the only state that opposes
Hindi. AP, Karnataka and Kerala people have never
opposed Hindi to the extent of TN.
Forget Hindi. Nowadays the language of Bangalore
is English.I see many new generation people prefer
to speak in English rather than their mother tounge.
> Even if India needs a national language, Hindi has little or no
> economic value.
> Hindi speaking regions are generally backward and I don't see them to
> be of any economic significance any time soon.
> Children in Karnataka are taught an additional subject Hindi in schools
> at the expense of more useful subjects in science, maths and Kannada
> literature. It would be beneficial to everybody (including teachers and
> students) if we eliminate Hindi as a compulsary subject and see
> how many of them would opt for it on their own.
>
>: In the first place why did Hindi become the NL - probably because it is
>: spoken by vast majority of the people than any other L. or not to have
>
> Let me digress a bit here - There are more people of German
> descent than any other ethnic group in the US. Why is German not the
> national language of the US? Ans: Brits were the original rulers.
> Why is chinese not the official language of International communication?
> The answer is obvious. Similarly, Hindi was the mother tounge of
> people who had the power to choose a national language.
>
>: Nowadays with the advent of TV the children are exposed to Hindi all over
>: India and I think they have liking towards the language.
>
> Liking? I don't think they have any option.
> If more TV programmes are available in Kannada, it would be the
> natural choice.
This is totally wrong information. Gone are the days
when there was only one TV Channel. People in Bangalore
and Karnataka have a choice of different TV Channels
in Kannada, Hindi, English and other Indian languages.
Even though there are Kannada TV Programs 24 hours
a days , TV viewership for ZEE TV (Hindi channel) and
English channels are much higher as compared to
Kannada channels. IN fatt Zee Channel is the most
watched TV channel in Karnataka. In Bangalore
Tamil Channel(SUN) have a much higher viewership
than Kannada channels.
As for films Hindi films are running to packed houses
allover Karnataka. And dont assume all the viwers are
from the North.Even in small towns like Hassan, Shimoga
majority of the theaters screen Hindi films.
Karnataka government is forcing theater owner to
screen Kannada films atleast for few months in a
year. But they are unable to force people to watch
Kannada films/TV.
Hebbar S
>> Liking? I don't think they have any option.
>> If more TV programmes are available in Kannada, it would be the
>> natural choice.
>
>This is totally wrong information. Gone are the days
>when there was only one TV Channel. People in Bangalore
>and Karnataka have a choice of different TV Channels
>in Kannada, Hindi, English and other Indian languages.
>
>Even though there are Kannada TV Programs 24 hours
>a days , TV viewership for ZEE TV (Hindi channel) and
>English channels are much higher as compared to
>Kannada channels. IN fatt Zee Channel is the most
>watched TV channel in Karnataka. In Bangalore
>Tamil Channel(SUN) have a much higher viewership
>than Kannada channels.
>
>As for films Hindi films are running to packed houses
>allover Karnataka. And dont assume all the viwers are
>from the North.Even in small towns like Hassan, Shimoga
>majority of the theaters screen Hindi films.
>
>Karnataka government is forcing theater owner to
>screen Kannada films atleast for few months in a
>year. But they are unable to force people to watch
>Kannada films/TV.
>
This is not just happening in Karnataka. All major
Indian cities are becoming more and more cosmopolitan.
There was a similar cry in Mumbai where the Marathi
speaking people were becoming a minority because
of the migration from North and South. And when the
Maharashtrians made a noise others pointed fingers
saying they were too narrow minded.
Even Calcutta has less than 40% Bengali population
and Bengalis are blaming the migrants from Bihar, UP,
Rajastan . The migration is going to increase in the
coming years because of jobs.
If India is to remain one country one cannot stop
people to remain in their home state.
Ashwini Kumar
shri...@worldnet.att.edu (Shridhar) wrote:
>aku...@st6000.sct.edu (Ashwini Kumar) wrote:
>>Vimala Siddalingaiah (vsid...@csc.com) wrote:
>>> I do not think that Kannadigas have opposed to Hindi being the National
>>> Language.
>>
>> May be they should!
>
>I don't think Kannadigas would oppose Hindi. Ofcourse
>they would oppose at the expense of their mother
>tounge. Any state would oppose that.
They may not oppose Hinid if a refferendum is held right now.
But they SHOULD oppose- not because just to oppose Hindi, but as
a measure against wasting time and energy on something
not very useful. Children and techers and others are much better
off concentrating on more essential areas of learning than
take up the luxury of trying to learn more than what is
needed at the expense of more useful subjects, given the poor
resources in place at schools and colleges.
Just because people have not realized it so far, should not
prevent sensible leaders from trying to educate & promote
the conecpt of "focus on essentials". Hindi or any other
langauge of its usefulness and value does not look like an
important item.
>In fact TamilNadu is the only state that opposes
>Hindi. AP, Karnataka and Kerala people have never
>opposed Hindi to the extent of TN.
I do not know the reasoning behind TN's opposition of Hindi,
howevr, a shift in focus is required in other South Indian states.
Children from non-TN southern states are putting thier
efforts on Hindi and such, at the expesne of competitiveness
in useful subjctes, and already very limited resources.
For example, salary given to Hindi teachers can be used
to do something useful like buying equipment (may be
computers!), developement of other teachers etc.
>>If more TV programmes are available in Kannada, it would be the
>>natural choice.
>This is totally wrong information. Gone are the days
> when there was only one TV Channel. People in Bangalore
>and Karnataka have a choice of different TV Channels
>in Kannada, Hindi, English and other Indian languages.
Whats the use of TV channels when you don't have good TV
programmes available? I don't think lots is being done
by the government to improve the TV programmes. Again,
all the money spent on Hindi learning in the state could be
used to attract talents and buy resources to make Kannada TV
programmes better.
>Karnataka government is forcing theater owner to
>screen Kannada films atleast for few months in a
>year. But they are unable to force people to watch
>Kannada films/TV.
Wrong focus again. They should try to improve the quality
of Kannada films than try to force people to watch.