ગુજરાતીઓ આટલા નમાલા શું કરવા
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Gujarati Language getting done in, ખતમ,
Kanchanamrut Hingrajia wrote
ગુજરાતી ભાષાની અસ્મિતાનો મહિમા દર્શાવતા લેખનો પ્રતિભાવ પણ અંગ્રેજીમાં
અપાય તે કેવું !
આપ્અણે બધા “રીડગુજરાતી”વાળા તો ગુજરતીનો મહિમા અને આદર કરશું જ પણ આ
સંદેશ અંગ્રેજી માધ્યમના આંધળા અનુકરણ કરતા વાલીઓને પહોંચાડવાનું આપણે
કરવું પડશે.
To which I asked if Hingrajia can tell the વાલીઓ how ગુજરાતી ભાષા is a
better earning tool than English Language or if we must worship
ગુજરાતી ભાષા as if it is સંતોષી મા ?
The exact text is gone (because the Editor decided what I wrote was
not nice) unless the editor has saved it and would wish to reproduce,
On seeing my comment disappear I wrote
" I see that moderator has removed my question to poster Kanchanamrut
Hingrajia.
Gujaratis are શૂરા to declare their righteousness from the pulpit but
when it comes to listen to hard reality they say ભાઇ let us speak
સુષ્ઠુ સુષ્ઠુ.
It is this fear of facing the hard facts that બ્લોગ્ઝનો રાફડો ફાટ્યો
છે પણ no body has courage to go one decades old established use-net
New Group soc.culture.indian.gujarati."
Which still is at http://www.readgujarati.com/sahitya/?p=1975#comments
In my mailbox I saw following.
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from Mrugesh Shah <shah_m...@yahoo.com>
to dmjo...@gmail.com
date 4 March 2009 09:30
subject mail from readgujarati
hello namaste dayashankarbhai
thank you for your comments and views on readgujarati. But kindly note
that
you do not need to reply every comment on specific article. Just enter
your
view about article. It is not a forum for discussion. I have deleted
your last
comment.
thanking you.
namaste
aavjo
from :
mrugesh shah
editor
www.readgujarati.com
To which I replied
from Dayashankar Joshi <dmjo...@gmail.com>
to Mrugesh Shah <shah_m...@yahoo.com>
date 4 March 2009 10:40
subject Re: mail from readgujarati
I suppose it is for "you scratch my back, I scratch yours"
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During last month I dis try my level best to give publicity to ગુજરાતી
બચાવ ઝુંબેશ.
Since 14/2/09 I am asking the organizers of ગુજરાતી બચાવ ઝુંબેશ some
questions that I think need to be answered, but બધા મુંગા, almost like
મેરી ભી ચુપ તેરી ભી ચુપ.
I have put this on soc.culture.indian.gujarati.
Would like everyone to give their comments there including મણ મણની
ગાળો.
Romanise
Gujarati Language getting done in, ખતમ,
Kanchanamrut Hingrajia wrote
ગુજરાતી ભાષાની અસ્મિતાનો મહિમા દર્શાવતા લેખનો પ્રતિભાવ પણ અંગ્રેજીમાં
અપાય તે કેવું !
આપ્અણે બધા “રીડગુજરાતી”વાળા તો ગુજરતીનો મહિમા અને આદર કરશું જ પણ આ
સંદેશ અંગ્રેજી માધ્યમના આંધળા અનુકરણ કરતા વાલીઓને પહોંચાડવાનું આપણે
કરવું પડશે.
To which I asked if Hingrajia can tell the વાલીઓ how ગુજરાતી ભાષા is a
better earning tool than English Language or if we must worship
ગુજરાતી ભાષા as if it is સંતોષી મા ?
The exact text is gone (because the Editor decided what I wrote was
not nice) unless the editor has saved it and would wish to reproduce,
On seeing my comment disappear I wrote
" I see that moderator has removed my question to poster Kanchanamrut
Hingrajia.
Gujaratis are શૂરા to declare their righteousness from the pulpit but
when it comes to listen to hard reality they say ભાઇ let us speak
સુષ્ઠુ સુષ્ઠુ.
It is this fear of facing the hard facts that બ્લોગ્ઝનો રાફડો ફાટ્યો
છે પણ no body has courage to go on decades old established use-net New
Group soc.culture.indian.gujarati."
Which still is at http://www.readgujarati.com/sahitya/?p=1975#comments
In my mailbox I saw following.
===========
from Mrugesh Shah <shah_mrug...@yahoo.com>
to dmjos...@gmail.com
date 4 March 2009 09:30
subject mail from readgujarati
hello namaste dayashankarbhai
thank you for your comments and views on readgujarati. But kindly note
that you do not need to reply every comment on specific article. Just
enter your view about article. It is not a forum for discussion. I
have deleted your last comment.
thanking you.
namaste
aavjo
from :
mrugesh shah
editor
www.readgujarati.com
To which I replied
from Dayashankar Joshi <dmjos...@gmail.com>
to Mrugesh Shah <shah_mrug...@yahoo.com>
Romanise
Gujarati Language getting done in, ખતમ,
Kanchanamrut Hingrajia wrote
ગુજરાતી ભાષાની અસ્મિતાનો મહિમા દર્શાવતા લેખનો પ્રતિભાવ પણ અંગ્રેજીમાં
અપાય તે કેવું ! આપ્અણે બધા “રીડગુજરાતી”વાળા તો ગુજરતીનો મહિમા અને આદર
કરશું જ પણ આ સંદેશ અંગ્રેજી માધ્યમના આંધળા અનુકરણ કરતા વાલીઓને
પહોંચાડવાનું આપણે કરવું પડશે.
To which I asked if Hingrajia can tell the વાલીઓ how ગુજરાતી ભાષા is a
better earning tool than English Language or if we must worship
ગુજરાતી ભાષા as if it is સંતોષી મા ?
The exact text is gone (because the Editor decided what I wrote was
not nice) unless the editor has saved it and would wish to reproduce,
On seeing my comment disappear I wrote
" I see that moderator has removed my question to poster Kanchanamrut
Hingrajia.
Gujaratis are શૂરા to declare their righteousness from the pulpit but
when it comes to listen to hard reality they say ભાઇ let us speak
સુષ્ઠુ સુષ્ઠુ.
It is this fear of facing the hard facts that બ્લોગ્ઝનો રાફડો ફાટ્યો
છે પણ no body has courage to go on decades old established use-net New
Group soc.culture.indian.gujarati."
Which still is at http://www.readgujarati.com/sahitya/?p=1975#comments
(It did get removed after few hours, naturally)
===========
hello namaste dayashankarbhai
thanking you.
namaste
aavjo
To which I replied
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During last month I did try my level best to give publicity to ગુજરાતી
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હલ્યું નથી.
ગુજારાતીઓને એમ છે કે તેઓ સરઘસો કાઢી, સભાઓ ભરી ગુજરાતી ભાષાને મરતી
અટકાવી દેશે, ખાસ કરીને તેમનું ટચુકડી જાહેરાતોનું બ્રહ્માંડ ખરી પડતું
ખાળી લેશે, કચ્છપાવતારની પેઠે?
છોકરાંઓ તરફ આચરાતા અત્યાચારની (માસ્તરો-નીશાળહાટડીમાલીકો-માબાપો તરફથી
થતા) કોઇને પડી નથી.
જોઉં છું તો ભારતવર્ષને બચાવી લેવા નીકળેલા નરેન્દ્ર મોદી ને પણ પડી
નથી.
અંગ્રેજી માધ્યમની નીશાળો ને અંધાધુંધ રેકગ્નીશન આપી પેટીઓ પડાવવાનો અને
તે વાટે ચુંટણી ગજવે કરવાની જ મતલબ છે એ ભાઇને, એમ ગુજરાતના સમાજમાં ઉંચે
ચડી બેઠેલા બેધડક કહી શકે છે.
આ છે આપણા દેશવાસીઓની hypocrisy, સાડાસાત વરસ થયાં દેશ છોડ્યો તેને એટલે
માફ કરજો વધારે લાયક શબ્દ ન મુકી શકું તો.
વાંચો
"How Indians are loath to change the ways that reduce or even stop
corruption" at
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.indian/browse_thread/thread/457606201447c101?hl=en&pli=1
manav...@gmail.com
>
> www.dmjoshi.org
Dear Dayashankarji,
You are sure giving good support to current 'Guj Bachav
Zumbesh', and your contribution to over all language reforms can not
be denied by anybody. Only thing that differs between you and other
Guj Bhasha Parishad people, against whom you express grudge, is
approach to the goals. You have a very focused and relentless attitude
towards one point agenda of "Education", while many of us at GBP have
larger social reforms at heart and a patient attitude towards
achieving it. Now when the approach has been widened even more with
this Zumbesh, we will all have to be more accomodative and tolerant.
I personally share Your other 2 grudges, one with Narendra
Modi and other with the editor of 'Read Gujarati'. In fact, you were
hopeful about NaMo by seeking his consent towards Zumbesh; which I
personally have not supported even if others at GBP wanted. He is
totally unacceptable person to me, for what he is. Read Guj editor is
behaving like a dictator when he is removing some comments from the
site. This is the behaviour NaMo has propogated by his rule over the
years in Gujarat, intolerant, superior then thou, arrogant,
dictatorial...
People who are seeking reforms, have to be passionate yet
patient. This educational and language reforms are radical; and I
don't think it can be acheived in a man's life-time! We'll have to do
our bit, like Govardhanram - Bhayani - Jayant Kothari did and
passedout, others will pick it up and forward it if there is enough
TRUTH in it. Thank you.
- Kiran Trivedi
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I feel happy that one of the movers of "Save Gujarati Language"
agitation has come out of Gujarat and made his point on the World
Theatre. I am sure it was not terribly difficult and I earnestly hope
that his colleagues also will get here and express their views. It can
be expressed in unicode Gujarati for which many tools are available.
One I have used is easily available to download. Get in touch with
nisithdhruv AT gmail.com.
Now to Kiran Trivedi.
Other than in Education in what other "larger social reforms at
heart" Save Gujarati Language Agitation is intractably connected?
manav...@gmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
This is what I dislike about debating 'online'. You pick-up
some words from my text and then I pick-up some text from your reply;
and we both get engaged in endless, worhtless (to the cause) and
tasteless debate, instead of being engaged in activities that are
important to main cause. Like, I pickup your expression that " one of
them ... has come out of Gujarat and made his point on the World
Theatre", what world theatre you are talking about? Seating on net
typing out hours, writting stuffs to which - as you yourself say -
nobody replies to? ..is that 'world theatre'?
I'm sure this retort can generate FURY in you. But I'm just
pointing that this is how we will keep debating. I don't want to waste
my enrgies in explaining what you have asked, "Other than in Education
in what other "larger social reforms at
heart" Save Gujarati Language Agitation is intractably connected?-"
This requires great deal of explaination, which I will love to do, but
not to an individual. I will do that at a right opportune and in a
media where many can share it. But the fact shall be suffice to
understand that in this 'Guj Bachav Zumbesh" it is not that only
educationists or teachers are driving it. Writers, journalists, social
activists, artists, engineers, Govt servants, administrative clerks,
media professionals, theatre persons, retired bank employees or for
that matter anybody who is a Bhasha premi; are involved. An aged
muslim chacha was so agrieved and furious at recent Ahmedabad Zumbesh
sabha at Sahitya parishad, complaining that no speaker has talked
about poor men's daily plight of every Govt and Municipal document
being in English! He created sort of racket, and so though we all were
sympathisers, all ignored him.
What I'm hinting at is, there are as many agendas as there are
people involved, that makes it larger social movement. You have to
work taking as many of them together as possible. If we become adament
on our agenda taking centre stage, we will be neglected like 'the
furious chacha.' You shall sure fight for importance of your
'education' agenda, but not with friends, colleagues and like minded
people.
- Kiran Trivedi
Romanise
Compared with Blogs and Emails Usenet News Groups are World Theatre.
Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USENET
As per it January 2009 traffic on it reached 4.65 TB.
In December 1996 it was 4.5GB
Tousand times in past 12 years.
You can find out when and how they started.
Google began supporting it, free for the users some 8 years back from
deja.com.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups
Google does not support all groups but does support very large,
influential number.
That is how you have stepped on World Theatre.
> Seating on net
> typing out hours, writting stuffs to which - as you yourself say -
> nobody replies to? ..is that 'world theatre'?
> I'm sure this retort can generate FURY in you. But I'm just
> pointing that this is how we will keep debating. I don't want to waste
> my enrgies in explaining what you have asked, "Other than in Education
> in what other "larger social reforms at
> heart" Save Gujarati Language Agitation is intractably connected?-"
> This requires great deal of explaination, which I will love to do, but
> not to an individual.
Anything you explain here is not to an individual.
There should be no shame to give explanation to an individual if there
was no shame to try to shut that individual by making a pompous claim.
> I will do that at a right opportune and in a
> media where many can share it.
This place is more easily accessible than any media you can throw at
me.
> But the fact shall be suffice to
> understand that in this 'Guj Bachav Zumbesh" it is not that only
> educationists or teachers are driving it. Writers, journalists, social
> activists, artists, engineers, Govt servants, administrative clerks,
> media professionals, theatre persons, retired bank employees or for
> that matter anybody who is a Bhasha premi; are involved.
Why those ભાષા-પ્રેમી woke up when as per The Chancellor of ગૂજરાત
વીદ્યાપીઠ began to blame Narendra Modi to corner votes and the Vice
Chancellor of ગૂજરાત વીદ્યાપીઠ began to blame Narendra Modi for
collecting bribes against giving recognition (not grant in aid) to
English Medium Schools.
> An aged
> muslim chacha was so agrieved and furious at recent Ahmedabad Zumbesh
> sabha at Sahitya parishad, complaining that no speaker has talked
> about poor men's daily plight of every Govt and Municipal document
> being in English!
If so, you, Indubhai, Manishi Jani, Mahesh Dave, Girish Patel did not
know it? Or were waiting for the President of ગુજરાતી સાહીત્ય પરીષદ
got insulted by the secretary of ગુજરાતી સાહીત્ય પરીષદ in front of
Indubhai on the issue of હ્રસ્વ-દીર્ઘ ?
> He created sort of racket, and so though we all were
> sympathisers, all ignored him.
> What I'm hinting at is, there are as many agendas as there are
> people involved, that makes it larger social movement.
I wish to limit to 4 you have put on the flier (which in fact are 3).
I sent couple of emails, to one of which only Professor Pankaj Joshi
responded.
> You have to
> work taking as many of them together as possible. If we become adament
> on our agenda
We have to be absolutely clear about our agenda, does not help if
there is anything hidden in it.
> taking centre stage, we will be neglected like 'the
> furious chacha.' You shall sure fight for importance of your
> 'education' agenda, but not with friends, colleagues and like minded
> people.
Which of your 4 agenda has not arisen because education was exploited
by the better off of the Indian Society for their narrow interests?
> - Kiran Trivedi
Romanise
> On Mar 7, 8:32 am, manavmed...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Compared with Blogs and Emails Usenet News Groups are World Theatre.
>
>
> As per it January 2009 traffic on it reached 4.65 TB.
> In December 1996 it was 4.5GB
>
> Tousand times in past 12 years.
>
> You can find out when and how they started.
>
> Google began supporting it, free for the users some 8 years back from
> deja.com.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups
>
> Google does not support all groups but does support very large,
> influential number.
>
> That is how you have stepped on World Theatre.
As per http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?hl=en?hl=en&
There are 3577696 newsgroups.
Page is worth exploring.
Google has archived messages on Newsgroups starting 1981.
Of course bought from deja.com in 2001 messages till then.