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benny wong

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Oct 5, 1993, 11:30:08 AM10/5/93
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hi folks,

back from the mooncake fest. hope everyone had a good one !!
anyway, music talk again !!!

have we forgotten about "the god of cantonese music" ???
the one and only mr. sam hui "hui gwoon kit". the singer/song writer
who bought us many many good songs thru out the years. i talked about
him a bit many many months ago, i am back talking about his songs
again. any old/new favorites ??

let me start it off by naming the classic ones:

1) "seung sing ching gor" (twin stars love song)
2) "teek taap ling won" (soul of iron tower)

that's it for now. hope to hear from y'alllllll soon.
* excuse me for my direct english translations of the song titles *

from benny
new york city

Bryan S. So

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Oct 5, 1993, 2:54:07 PM10/5/93
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In article <93278.11...@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> benny wong <LE...@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> writes:
: 2) "teek taap ling won" (soul of iron tower)

:
: that's it for now. hope to hear from y'alllllll soon.
: * excuse me for my direct english translations of the song titles *
:
: from benny
: new york city

Ling Won above is not "soul". It means the iron tower (actually I
think he meant the Eiffel Tower) soars up to the clouds.

I like Sam Hui mostly because of his lyrics. I am really interested
to know how does one study for lyric writing and how difficult it is
to achieve the status of Sam Hui's lyric. (However, I recall in
plenty of songs, he collaborates with others such as Lai Bay Doug
and his brother Hui Goon Man).

There are many phrases in his songs that are just masterpiece of
literary work. (one example) I forgot the whole sentence, but he
describes two lovers as "Tung Chin Shu" (ivy tangling a tree).. if
he originated this analogy, then it's fair to compare him with
ancient poets, like So Tung Ball.

By the way, I think the one BEST lyric in all cantonese song is "Ten
Fire-fighting Youths". Not a Sam Hui song tho.


Bryan

Guojin Liang x6604

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Laly Thao

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Oct 5, 1993, 11:30:52 PM10/5/93
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hmmm...haven't heard any of his songs per se, BUT i saw the movie
"swordsman" with him as the star and the song "hero of heroes" is
buzzing through my head right now. :-) chances are he probably
sang it in one of his albums. it has a nice rhythm....

anyway, if anyone has any leads on finding that particular
song in sam hui's albums, let me know. also, any info on
the music from "swordsman ii" would be appreciated as
well.

thanks,
laly


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Wei Chen

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Oct 5, 1993, 11:38:00 PM10/5/93
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LEÛ²±°From: benny wong <LE...@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
LEÛ²±°Message-ID: <93278.11...@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
LEÛ²±°Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
LEÛ²±°Subject: favorite sam hui songs ?
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LEÛ²±° have we forgotten about "the god of cantonese music" ???
LEÛ²±° the one and only mr. sam hui "hui gwoon kit". the singer/song writer
LEÛ²±° who bought us many many good songs thru out the years. i talked about
LEÛ²±° him a bit many many months ago, i am back talking about his songs
LEÛ²±° again. any old/new favorites ??

LEÛ²±° let me start it off by naming the classic ones:

LEÛ²±° 1) "seung sing ching gor" (twin stars love song)
LEÛ²±° 2) "teek taap ling won" (soul of iron tower)

Here is my top ten Sam Hui songs, not in any particular order,
because each one is a 10+ !

1. Tsong Hoi Yut Sing Siu (A Laughter In The Sea)
2. Ye Ye Nim No Giu (Babe, Babe, Every Night)
3. Yan Jeong (Impressions)
4. Mo Pun (The Dance Partner)
5. Yut Boon Wa Wa (The Japanese Doll)
6. Jee Yum Mong Loi Tsum (Finding Fans Inside Dreams)
7. Si Yu, Si Lui? (Tears, Or Rain?)
8. Tsum Mut Si Gum (Silence Is Golden)
9. Suet Yut Sing Joy Geen (Just Say Good Bye)
10. Tum Tum Juen (Merry Go Round)

There are simply too many golden songs by Sam. We might want to
consider dividing all of his songs into categories, then pick
out the best ones from each category.
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Edward Hui

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Oct 6, 1993, 4:08:55 PM10/6/93
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My all time favorite of Sam Hui is "Impression" (Yun Cheung).

Edward Hui


Edward Hui

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Oct 6, 1993, 4:18:04 PM10/6/93
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I think Sam Hui wrote good lyrics because he is well-educated. He
has better credentials than most professional lyricists. My favorite
lyrics of his is that song with lyrics like: "Life is a dream..." (Yun Sung
Yu Mon...), but I have forgotten the song title.

Edward Hui


A Riccian

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Oct 6, 1993, 5:16:24 PM10/6/93
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In article <93278.11...@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> benny wong <LE...@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> writes:
> hi folks,

>
> let me start it off by naming the classic ones:
>
> 1) "seung sing ching gor" (twin stars love song)
> 2) "teek taap ling won" (soul of iron tower)

"tin choi bak chi mong" (dream of the genius and idiot)
"hok san gor" (school kid)

Rambis Chu

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Oct 6, 1993, 6:09:58 PM10/6/93
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The song title is "The prodigal's aspirations" (Long Chi Sum Sing).
By the way, since you're in Houston. I think you can buy the two-volume
collections of Sam Hui's best hits in "Oriental Bookstore" located at
the Bellaire's China town.

Rambis


Rambis Chu

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Oct 7, 1993, 5:08:00 PM10/7/93
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In article <1993Oct7.1...@oracle.us.oracle.com> g...@us.oracle.com
(George Lo) wrote:

>In article <28v95s$2...@menudo.uh.edu> st...@Elroy.UH.EDU writes:
>>
>> I think Sam Hui wrote good lyrics because he is well-educated. He
>>has better credentials than most professional lyricists. My favorite
>>lyrics of his is that song with lyrics like: "Life is a dream..." (Yun Sung
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>Yu Mon...), but I have forgotten the song title.
>>
>I think the title is "Yun Kai Chum Mung".

No, George... Like I mentioned before, the title should be:
"The prodigal's aspirations" (Long Chi Sum Sing). Remember, the lyrics is
something like: "Yun Sung Yu Mon, Mon Lui Pit Chi Sai Tong, Pin Hak Chon Sik
Kin Chi May Chi Kin Mug Mon Lum, Tin Joe Chi Choi Kai Yo Kik Un, Chen Chi Ko
Fay, Mo Sawy Ong Cheung......"


Rambis


George Lo

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Oct 7, 1993, 3:11:24 PM10/7/93
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In article <28v95s$2...@menudo.uh.edu> st...@Elroy.UH.EDU writes:
>
> I think Sam Hui wrote good lyrics because he is well-educated. He
>has better credentials than most professional lyricists. My favorite
>lyrics of his is that song with lyrics like: "Life is a dream..." (Yun Sung
>Yu Mon...), but I have forgotten the song title.
>
I think the title is "Yun Kai Chum Mung".
Sam's lyrics is thousand times better than the current songs.
I like Sheung Sing Ching gall & tin choi bak chi wong yut ching.

George

U59...@uicvm.uic.edu

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Oct 7, 1993, 7:00:57 PM10/7/93
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What about "Tit Tap Ling Wan"

Wei Chen

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Oct 7, 1993, 10:42:00 PM10/7/93
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STÛ²±°dward Hui)
STÛ²±°Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
STÛ²±°Message-ID: <28v95s$2...@menudo.uh.edu>
STÛ²±°References: <93278.11...@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

STÛ²±° I think Sam Hui wrote good lyrics because he is well-educated. He
STÛ²±°has better credentials than most professional lyricists. My favorite
STÛ²±°lyrics of his is that song with lyrics like: "Life is a dream..." (Yun Su
STÛ²±°Yu Mon...), but I have forgotten the song title.

STÛ²±°Edward Hui

That would be from "Tin Choy Bat Chee Mong", from the movie "The
Last Message", or "The Genius And The Fool" by direct Chinese
translation.


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Raymond Kwan

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In article <28v8kn$2...@menudo.uh.edu>, Edward Hui writes:
>My all time favorite of Sam Hui is "Impression" (Yun Cheung).

I think that's Sam's best love ballad. It's from the movie "Mor Dung Bo
Biu" (Modern Bodyguard), isn't it?

However, the most successful and well known song is still "Bun Gun 8 Leung"
You just can't beat that down-to-earth lyrics about the working class.
Another classic is "Dar Cheuk Ying Hung Tsuen" (Epic of the Mah-jong
Heros). Nothing even comes close.

-Raymond Kwan rkw...@gumedlib.dml.georgetown.edu
Georgetown University Medical Center rk...@nyx.cs.du.edu

A Riccian

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Oct 8, 1993, 9:21:24 AM10/8/93
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In article <28v8kn$2...@menudo.uh.edu> st...@Elroy.UH.EDU writes:
>In article <93278.11...@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>, benny wong <LE...@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> writes:
>> hi folks,
>>
>> let me start it off by naming the classic ones:
>>
>> 1) "seung sing ching gor" (twin stars love song)
>> 2) "teek taap ling won" (soul of iron tower)
>>
>> that's it for now. hope to hear from y'alllllll soon.
>> * excuse me for my direct english translations of the song titles *
>>
>> from benny
>> new york city
> My all time favorite of Sam Hui is "Impression" (Yun Cheung).
>
>Edward Hui
>
>

Let me add one more: "long zhi sum sing"

Nelson

Alvin W. Law

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Oct 8, 1993, 3:14:48 PM10/8/93
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No, Rambis, the title for the song (and the above lyrics for that
matter) should be: "Dream of a Genius/Idiot" (Tin Choi Bak Chi Mung)

The lyrics for "Long Chi Sum Sing" starts with something like:
"Laan Fun Jun Yu Gar..."
with the chorus:
"Ming Lui Yau Si Dzong Shui Yau, Ming Lui Mo Si Mok Keung Kau"

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Edward Hui

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Oct 9, 1993, 3:31:38 AM10/9/93
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In article <1993Oct8.1...@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, rk...@nyx.cs.du.edu (Raymond Kwan) writes:

>In article <28v8kn$2...@menudo.uh.edu>, Edward Hui writes:

>>My all time favorite of Sam Hui is "Impression" (Yun Cheung).
>

>I think that's Sam's best love ballad. It's from the movie "Mor Dung Bo
>Biu" (Modern Bodyguard), isn't it?
>
>However, the most successful and well known song is still "Bun Gun 8 Leung"
>You just can't beat that down-to-earth lyrics about the working class.
>Another classic is "Dar Cheuk Ying Hung Tsuen" (Epic of the Mah-jong
>Heros). Nothing even comes close.
>
>-Raymond Kwan rkw...@gumedlib.dml.georgetown.edu
> Georgetown University Medical Center rk...@nyx.cs.du.edu

Speaking of lyrics about the working class, Sam Hui is very good
at it. The more recent song "Japanese Doll" also describe the wages
they earned.
The song "Mah-Jong Hero" is great. Mah-Jong fans should realize
how difficult to win that hand that Sam described in the song. :)
A few years back there's a remix of all of Sam Hui's catchy songs
called "Gun Leung 10 Chuk", it is not as good as Lam's "10 inch 12 Minutes"
but you'll find most of Sam Hui's greatest up-tempo songs.

Edward Hui


Rambis Chu

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Oct 9, 1993, 5:31:39 PM10/9/93
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In article <ALAW.93O...@ap221sun.oracle.com> al...@us.oracle.com writes:
>c...@menudo.uh.edu (Rambis Chu) writes:
>>g...@us.oracle.com (George Lo) wrote:
>>>In article <28v95s$2...@menudo.uh.edu> st...@Elroy.UH.EDU writes:
>>>>
>>>> I think Sam Hui wrote good lyrics because he is well-educated. He
>>>>has better credentials than most professional lyricists. My favorite
>>>>lyrics of his is that song with lyrics like: "Life is a dream..." (Yun Sung
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>Yu Mon...), but I have forgotten the song title.
>>>>
>>>I think the title is "Yun Kai Chum Mung".
>>>
>>No, George... Like I mentioned before, the title should be:
>>"The prodigal's aspirations" (Long Chi Sum Sing). Remember, the lyrics is
>>something like: "Yun Sung Yu Mon, Mon Lui Pit Chi Sai Tong, Pin Hak Chon Sik
>>Kin Chi May Chi Kin Mug Mon Lum, Tin Joe Chi Choi Kai Yo Kik Un, Chen Chi Ko
>>Fay, Mo Sawy Choi Ong Cheung......"

>
>No, Rambis, the title for the song (and the above lyrics for that
>matter) should be: "Dream of a Genius/Idiot" (Tin Choi Bak Chi Mung)
>
>The lyrics for "Long Chi Sum Sing" starts with something like:
>"Laan Fun Jun Yu Gar..."
>with the chorus:
>"Ming Lui Yau Si Dzong Shui Yau, Ming Lui Mo Si Mok Keung Kau"
>

You're right, Alvin... I'm always mixed up these two songs' titles. Because
they're in the same side of Sam's recent collection (1991?); viz, No1 and No2.
And, their content're somehow similar, depicting the truth of the reality.

By the way, since you're working in Oracle. Maybe you know Ricky and his
friends (I forget their names, they're all from HK) who're always playing the
basketball in your company's recreational facility twice a week. I was playing
with them once last summer. Say "Hello" to them. Hopefully, I can play with
them in the near future.


Thanx in advance!


Rambis


Alan K.L. Wong

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Rambis Chu (c...@menudo.uh.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Oct7.1...@oracle.us.oracle.com> g...@us.oracle.com
:
:
No, the title is "Tin Choi Pat Tsee Mon", which can also be found in Alan Tam's
"Love Story". But I don't think Tam's version is very good.


- WKL -

KCH...@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca

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In article <CEoK6...@hkuxb.hku.hk>
I'd like to point out that in some of Sam's songs, there is an element of
determinism and pessimism. I remember one specific line in the lyric that
goes something like this: "ming lui yout see, jung sui yout. ming lui mo see,
mok keung kout" (whether you are rich or poor, it's all determnined by fate).
Of course, he made it rich and famous. I think he should not be preaching
this kind of philosophy among Chinese to accept failure as detrmined by fate.
Sam is one of the more intelligent singers/song writers in HK, and I
always felt disappointed that he wrote something like that. I can find other
examples in his other work too.

>: >>has better credentials than most professional lyricists. My favorite
.nl

>: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>: >>Yu Mon...), but I have forgotten the song title.
>: >>
>: >I think the title is "Yun Kai Chum Mung".
>:
>: No, George... Like I mentioned before, the title should be:
>: "The prodigal's aspirations" (Long Chi Sum Sing). Remember, the lyrics is
>: something like: "Yun Sung Yu Mon, Mon Lui Pit Chi Sai Tong, Pin Hak Chon Sik
>: Kin Chi May Chi Kin Mug Mon Lum, Tin Joe Chi Choi Kai Yo Kik Un, Chen Chi Ko
>: Fay, Mo Sawy Ong Cheung......"
>:
>:
>: Rambis
>:
>:
>No, the title is "Tin Choi Pat Tsee Mon", which can also be found in Alan Tam's
>"Love Story". But I don't think Tam's version is very good.
>
>- WKL -
>

Regards,
Ken Chung, BC Systems, Victoria, BC, Canada FAX:(604)389-3916
email KCH...@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca TEL:(604)389-3111

H.C.W. Kwok

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Oct 13, 1993, 6:15:05 AM10/13/93
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In article <16C65F00...@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca> KCH...@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca writes:
> I'd like to point out that in some of Sam's songs, there is an element of
>determinism and pessimism. I remember one specific line in the lyric that
>goes something like this: "ming lui yout see, jung sui yout. ming lui mo see,
>mok keung kout" (whether you are rich or poor, it's all determnined by fate).
>Of course, he made it rich and famous. I think he should not be preaching
>this kind of philosophy among Chinese to accept failure as detrmined by fate.
>Sam is one of the more intelligent singers/song writers in HK, and I
>always felt disappointed that he wrote something like that. I can find other
>examples in his other work too.

I think there is a slight misinterruptation. I think the lyric you quoted
should be inturrupted/translated as :

Everything is written by fate, if you should have it, you'll
get it eventually, or else, don't be disappointed.

This, of course is not a very good translation, but I think I have pointed out
the actual meaning behind Sam's original intention.

What he tried to spread is the philosophy that to take everything easy. When the
time is not right, don't force anything to happen. That's what I think the
line "ming lui mo see ...." really meant. Or event worse, try to force an
outcome that would not event occur.

Of couse, we should go for our best, or to even try and go beyond our best.
However, that doesn't mean to force everything to come true even if the
time is not good for the harvest.

And if you listen to the whole song (I don't mean that you haven't), the
lyric has been encouraging us to take life easily. Yes, I think that would
make us happier if we know our limitations, and if we failed after we gave
it a good go, then take it easy, think of it as fate THIS TIME!!! And,
put ourselves together, prepare and be better equipped, then try again!

The above statements represent purely my own opinion, and I have no intention
of accusing the original poster in any kind of area.

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In article <16C65F00...@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca>,

<KCH...@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca> wrote:
>In article <CEoK6...@hkuxb.hku.hk>
> I'd like to point out that in some of Sam's songs, there is an element of
>determinism and pessimism. I remember one specific line in the lyric that
>goes something like this: "ming lui yout see, jung sui yout. ming lui mo see,
>mok keung kout" (whether you are rich or poor, it's all determnined by fate).
>Of course, he made it rich and famous. I think he should not be preaching
>this kind of philosophy among Chinese to accept failure as detrmined by fate.
>Sam is one of the more intelligent singers/song writers in HK, and I
>always felt disappointed that he wrote something like that. I can find other
>examples in his other work too.
>>: >>has better credentials than most professional lyricists. My favorite
one should remember the time period those songs came out in...i think they
were more like an expressive outlet that voiced the grievance of the people
than a philosophical frame of mind...it spoke of the people's sum sing(heart-
voice) i think that was one of the reason that made his songs so popular-
they weren't always romeo and juliet or westside stories...they talked about
everyday citizen's lives , things that guy si lo(vendors) and gu lay(laborers)
can relate to ... which brings up a point...every time i hear people talk about
the movie The Swordsman (siu ngho gong wu) they mention jacky,yuen wah,and all
but they hardly bring up sam...who was just about the most honored musician
of hongkong in my opinion...just look at the farewell party he got...you know
the one on tvb for his immigration to may/ga shortly that after that song
about how nice hk is and how we should all stay...i don't think there'll be
such a big gathering for anybody else's retirement...tien wong or no...

" tseng tsi wei's wife ngaw tsi tschi lay!
haw yoon ying's new album ngaw tsi tschi lay!
hk triad correction service ngaw tsi tschi lay!
andy lau's fansie ngaw tsi tschi lay!
tony leong's hit single ngaw tsi tschi lay!
yoon ngan tien si!!"
gawl

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>In article <CEoK6...@hkuxb.hku.hk>
> I'd like to point out that in some of Sam's songs, there is an element of
>determinism and pessimism. I remember one specific line in the lyric that
>goes something like this: "ming lui yout see, jung sui yout. ming lui mo see,
>mok keung kout" (whether you are rich or poor, it's all determnined by fate).
>Of course, he made it rich and famous. I think he should not be preaching
>this kind of philosophy among Chinese to accept failure as detrmined by fate.
>Sam is one of the more intelligent singers/song writers in HK, and I
>always felt disappointed that he wrote something like that. I can find other
>examples in his other work too.

I beg to differ. As much as he writes these lyrics with "pessimistic"
tone (which I don't think so), he did write others encouraging people
to work and study hard and stuff like that : eg. "hok san gor" -- school
kid, "mok dai mo" which goes like "once there was a guy called Mok dai mo..."
he had a song on filial piety, "fu mo yun" -- parents' greatness. There just
isn't any other singer who had songs with such simple and direct message, in
my opinion.

Now, back to the above lyrics. I think it is from "tin choi bak chi mong".
One would get a much better feeling why he wrote that line (which was not
originated by him anyway) if one has seen the movie. It was about how
crazy people became when they were thriving for success and wealth. And
this old cantonese saying is exactly right for those who are obsessed by
the idea of "making it to the top".

Anyway, it is nice that we can at least discuss Sam's lyrics. The
cantonese songs these days, like those by 4 sky kings, don't even
make the slightest sense to me, let alone any philosophy behind.


Nelson

Dave Or

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>In article <16C65F00...@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca> KCH...@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca writes:
>>In article <CEoK6...@hkuxb.hku.hk>
>> I'd like to point out that in some of Sam's songs, there is an element of

>> ... swong's stuff ...

>I beg to differ. As much as he writes these lyrics with "pessimistic"

> ...


>Now, back to the above lyrics. I think it is from "tin choi bak chi mong".
>One would get a much better feeling why he wrote that line (which was not
>originated by him anyway) if one has seen the movie. It was about how
>crazy people became when they were thriving for success and wealth. And
>this old cantonese saying is exactly right for those who are obsessed by
>the idea of "making it to the top".

>Anyway, it is nice that we can at least discuss Sam's lyrics. The
>cantonese songs these days, like those by 4 sky kings, don't even
>make the slightest sense to me, let alone any philosophy behind.


>Nelson
>

I agree with Nelson. I think when we listen to songs, we should know
whether the song is saying about the song writer's feelings, or if the song
is about someone else's feelings (a movie character). I also agree that Sam
Hui's songs are way more meaningful than most (preaching or not), compared to
the other Cantonese songs I listened to (I have not listened to Cantonese songs
"actively" for almost ten years,however.)

The worst Cantonese songs(lyrics) I have ever heard is also the funniest. It
is sung by a young "singer" but I forgot his name and I don't know who wrote
the lyrics. I guess I wasn't too eager to find out. Anyways, the singer is
kind of like one of those "4 sky kings", tall "cool" dude. I don't think he
ever made it big. The song is the theme song for a cartoon, something like
"The Golden Robot/Supercreature". It was about this "Supercreature/Alien"
who is made of a golden "metal" and it can change in sizes (from pocket size)
to King Kong size, and fights evil aliens. The show and the song is about ten
years old, and it goes like this: "Wu Ying Dow Hak Say, Mau Ye Dow Hak Say, ..
.., Se Yun Shun Tsing Wong Kum Loi Joe Lay, ....." Translated like "Flies are
scared to death and cats are scared to death, ..., it is made of pure gold"
Wow, scaring FLIES and CATS to death!! Made of pure gold, maybe be very, very
hard to break ..., no wonder bad guys wanted him so much. I personally would
refuse to sing such songs, even if I have a chance.

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Message:
I have to disagree with someone said "four sky king" lyrics doesn't
make sense to them. I believe they have the best writers for them
because they are "hot". Just that their ideas or theme of their
albums always have to revolve around LOVE. It is not that easy for
writers to think of anything interesting to say. However, the fans of
four sky king only wants songs about love. And that really force the
issues --- love and money OR something else but less money ?

I bet the four sky kings themselves doesn't like to sing that many
love songs either. Heck, I get boring sing love songs every time I go
to Karaoke, too. So, either they really have that many love stories
to tell or they get bored by the songs. ( I bet they are the former
because all four sky kings claim to have no girlfriend....and some
claim they haven't even touch a girl. How many of them are virgin ?
At least, Aaron claim he is)

Mr. X has to say "Can I borrow your virginity, Aaron ?"


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In article <orxxx001....@maroon.tc.umn.edu>, Dave Or <orxx...@staff.tc.umn.edu> writes:
>In <1993Oct14....@newstand.syr.edu> cfw...@mothra.syr.edu (A Riccian) writes:
>
>>In article <16C65F00...@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca> KCH...@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca writes:
>>>In article <CEoK6...@hkuxb.hku.hk>
>>> I'd like to point out that in some of Sam's songs, there is an element of
>>> ... swong's stuff ...
>
>>I beg to differ. As much as he writes these lyrics with "pessimistic"
>> ...
>>Now, back to the above lyrics. I think it is from "tin choi bak chi mong".
>>One would get a much better feeling why he wrote that line (which was not
>>originated by him anyway) if one has seen the movie. It was about how
>>crazy people became when they were thriving for success and wealth. And
>>this old cantonese saying is exactly right for those who are obsessed by
>>the idea of "making it to the top".
>
>>Anyway, it is nice that we can at least discuss Sam's lyrics. The
>>cantonese songs these days, like those by 4 sky kings, don't even
>>make the slightest sense to me, let alone any philosophy behind.
>
>
>>Nelson
>>
>
>I agree with Nelson. I think when we listen to songs, we should know
>whether the song is saying about the song writer's feelings, or if the song
>is about someone else's feelings (a movie character). I also agree that Sam
>Hui's songs are way more meaningful than most (preaching or not), compared to
>the other Cantonese songs I listened to (I have not listened to Cantonese songs
>"actively" for almost ten years,however.)

Since most of the tunes in HK are written by different musician and
lyricist, it is rarely the case when a song is describing the songwriter's
feelings. Those movie songs used to be about the storyline of the movie,
but nowadays it got so bad that they just used a song for a movie, which
means they are totally unrelated. Even with the movie coming out before
they make a song, I doubt if the lyricist actually watch the movie before
writing the song.

>
>The worst Cantonese songs(lyrics) I have ever heard is also the funniest. It
>is sung by a young "singer" but I forgot his name and I don't know who wrote
>the lyrics. I guess I wasn't too eager to find out. Anyways, the singer is
>kind of like one of those "4 sky kings", tall "cool" dude. I don't think he
>ever made it big. The song is the theme song for a cartoon, something like
>"The Golden Robot/Supercreature". It was about this "Supercreature/Alien"
>who is made of a golden "metal" and it can change in sizes (from pocket size)
>to King Kong size, and fights evil aliens. The show and the song is about ten
>years old, and it goes like this: "Wu Ying Dow Hak Say, Mau Ye Dow Hak Say, ..

>..., Se Yun Shun Tsing Wong Kum Loi Joe Lay, ....." Translated like "Flies are


>scared to death and cats are scared to death, ..., it is made of pure gold"
>Wow, scaring FLIES and CATS to death!! Made of pure gold, maybe be very, very
>hard to break ..., no wonder bad guys wanted him so much. I personally would
>refuse to sing such songs, even if I have a chance.
>

Well, all the cartoon songs about robots are like that!

Edward Hui


Edward Hui

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Oct 15, 1993, 2:35:13 AM10/15/93
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In article <173314Z...@anon.penet.fi>, an3...@anon.penet.fi writes:
>Message:
>I have to disagree with someone said "four sky king" lyrics doesn't
>make sense to them. I believe they have the best writers for them
>because they are "hot". Just that their ideas or theme of their
>albums always have to revolve around LOVE. It is not that easy for
>writers to think of anything interesting to say. However, the fans of
>four sky king only wants songs about love. And that really force the
>issues --- love and money OR something else but less money ?
>
Agreed! The 4 Sky Kings usually used the best lyricists in HK
to write for them, it may be a piece of junk but for the moment
nobody else can do a better job.

Edward Hui


Yuk Lun Chan

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Oct 15, 1993, 5:00:35 AM10/15/93
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The lyrics of a lot of songs nowaday are so badly written that if they are
not in a song but written on paper instead. Nobody could understand what
they meant and 100% bad written Chinese. i.e. like "Kara can be O.K." tell
me, what it means?

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Message:

Edward said:
> Agreed! The 4 Sky Kings usually used the best lyricists in HK
> to write for them, it may be a piece of junk but for the moment
> nobody else can do a better job.
Billy said:
> Is it a good sign to have "four sky king" ?

Mr. X said: I don't know, Billy. Seriously, I think because they are
"the four sky kings" they got the best production people
available...lyricists, song writers, song arrangers,....etc. That's
fact. Their albums guarantee multi-platinum. THat's fact. I don't
know if this is good for "Lok Tan" (Music scene). I wouldn't dare to
say it's bad ( because I hate flame.....) I would say your question
is to deep for me. I think it's good for the netters to discuss,
though.

MR. X
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Edward Hui

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Oct 15, 1993, 4:08:03 PM10/15/93
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In article <CExL0...@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>, y...@pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan) writes:
>The lyrics of a lot of songs nowaday are so badly written that if they are
>not in a song but written on paper instead. Nobody could understand what
>they meant and 100% bad written Chinese. i.e. like "Kara can be O.K." tell
>me, what it means?
>
Agreed! The lyricist don't really care whether the song means
something, they just wrote whatever they think it is appropriate or is
popular among music fans. I'm sure the song you listed above is due
to the popularity of karaoke.

Edward Hui


Raymond Kwan

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Oct 15, 1993, 5:14:45 PM10/15/93
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In article <CExL0...@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>, Yuk Lun Chan <y...@pwd.hp.com> w
ote:

>The lyrics of a lot of songs nowaday are so badly written that if they a
e
>not in a song but written on paper instead. Nobody could understand what

>they meant and 100% bad written Chinese. i.e. like "Kara can be O.K." te
l

>me, what it means?

Though I agree that the lyrics of many songs are written badly, Alan Tam's
"Kara Wing Yuen OK" isn't one of those. Maybe the title line makes you
wonder, but the rest describes very nicely how people go to karaoke and
forget all their troubles there. Very vivid description of life in
Hong Kong.

Sleepless In Los Angeles

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Oct 16, 1993, 5:28:26 AM10/16/93
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>In article <CEoK6...@hkuxb.hku.hk>
> I'd like to point out that in some of Sam's songs, there is an element of
>determinism and pessimism. I remember one specific line in the lyric that
>goes something like this: "ming lui yout see, jung sui yout. ming lui mo see,
>mok keung kout" (whether you are rich or poor, it's all determnined by fate).
>Of course, he made it rich and famous. I think he should not be preaching
>this kind of philosophy among Chinese to accept failure as detrmined by fate.
>Sam is one of the more intelligent singers/song writers in HK, and I
>always felt disappointed that he wrote something like that. I can find other
>examples in his other work too.

come on, he's just a singer/song writer who writes songs appealling to ltos of
people. granted he popularized cantonese songs, but there's really not much
'substance' in his songs when compared to others like "tai chi".


>>: >>has better credentials than most professional lyricists. My favorite
>.nl
>>: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>: >>Yu Mon...), but I have forgotten the song title.
>>: >>
>>: >I think the title is "Yun Kai Chum Mung".
>>:
>>: No, George... Like I mentioned before, the title should be:
>>: "The prodigal's aspirations" (Long Chi Sum Sing). Remember, the lyrics is
>>: something like: "Yun Sung Yu Mon, Mon Lui Pit Chi Sai Tong, Pin Hak Chon Sik
>>: Kin Chi May Chi Kin Mug Mon Lum, Tin Joe Chi Choi Kai Yo Kik Un, Chen Chi Ko
>>: Fay, Mo Sawy Ong Cheung......"
>>:
>>:
>>: Rambis
>>:
>>:
>>No, the title is "Tin Choi Pat Tsee Mon", which can also be found in Alan Tam's
>>"Love Story". But I don't think Tam's version is very good.
>>
>>- WKL -
>>
>
>Regards,
>Ken Chung, BC Systems, Victoria, BC, Canada FAX:(604)389-3916
>email KCH...@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca TEL:(604)389-3111


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fung chi woon

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Oct 18, 1993, 3:32:33 AM10/18/93
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Dave Or <orxx...@staff.tc.umn.edu> writes:

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>The worst Cantonese songs(lyrics) I have ever heard is also the funniest. It
>is sung by a young "singer" but I forgot his name and I don't know who wrote
>the lyrics. I guess I wasn't too eager to find out. Anyways, the singer is
>kind of like one of those "4 sky kings", tall "cool" dude. I don't think he
>ever made it big. The song is the theme song for a cartoon, something like
>"The Golden Robot/Supercreature". It was about this "Supercreature/Alien"
>who is made of a golden "metal" and it can change in sizes (from pocket size)
>to King Kong size, and fights evil aliens. The show and the song is about ten
>years old, and it goes like this: "Wu Ying Dow Hak Say, Mau Ye Dow Hak Say, ..
>.., Se Yun Shun Tsing Wong Kum Loi Joe Lay, ....." Translated like "Flies are
>scared to death and cats are scared to death, ..., it is made of pure gold"
>Wow, scaring FLIES and CATS to death!! Made of pure gold, maybe be very, very
>hard to break ..., no wonder bad guys wanted him so much. I personally would
>refuse to sing such songs, even if I have a chance.

well... I remember that song. actually early cartoon songs are like that.
no one take much care on them.

but... that 'golden robot' song was, at least, full of courage and justice.
despite some weird sentences in the beginning of the song (scared flys and
cats to death), the rest of the song was quite not so bad.

thought I live in hongkong, I seldom listen to cantonese songs.
one reason is that all song lyrics are saying the same old things (love, etc etc)
over and over again.

I'd rather go for some japanese songs that I don't even understand.

regards
walter
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fung chi woon

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st...@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui) writes:

>Edward Hui

sometimes people just don't care about what the song is all about.
they just want to see their idol, to hear their voice, etc etc

those fans just want some noise so that they can break thru their tense
life. they don't want to think about the lyrics at all.

same for those in karaoke, all they need is something easy to remember,
easy to sing-along, who cares if the lyrics is meaningful or meaningless...

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