News in Vancouver
Howard Sze-Ho Cheung
Hello, everybody
Is there anyone know the death of the daughter of the
Head of HK Immigration Office. What are the news say about
in HK. Can someone tell me? I really want to know.
Howard.
Thomas Wong
> Is there anyone know the death of the daughter of the
> Head of HK Immigration Office. What are the news say about
> in HK. Can someone tell me? I really want to know.
Well, from what I heard, the HK News reporting took this to be a very
serious matter when it first happened. It was supposedly big news the
day it happened back in HK. There were then talks about it being a
racial matter, suspicion that it had something to do with Mr. Leung (the
father)'s job, a bad decision in the past?, and accusation that
Vancouver Police and authorities weren't treating this very seriously.
This was all HK News reporting of course. The Vancouver police responded
and so did the local Hong Kong groups saying that this matter is being
looked upon as being very serious. And They have also been working with
HK police to see if they can find a link or a clue for this murder.
By the way, if you don't already know, the murder weapon was announced.
And it is an arrow from a crossbow (for those who don;t know what a
crossbow is, it's a gun like weapon that works like a bow & arrow). A
very suspcious murder weapon indeed.
Thomas.
P.S.
By the way, since you are in Vancouver, you can catch not only the local
News but also News transmitted from HK on the number of chinese radio
stations we have here. On the AM band, the biggest radio stations are
1320 and 1470. And the full length News is around 8pm or 9pm or
something like that. Or better yet, find someone with pay cabled TV and
you can watch the HK news on our Cathy or Chinavision stations. Even the
free public one has HK news. By HK news, I again mean not the local
broadcasts, but News transmitted directly from HK.
T. Ngai-Chou
writes:
Can anyone post a more detailed story of the murder, or accident?
Alvin W. Law
>g8c...@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Howard Sze-Ho Cheung) writes:
>>
>> Is there anyone know the death of the daughter of the
>> Head of HK Immigration Office. What are the news say about
>> in HK. Can someone tell me? I really want to know.
>
>
>Well, from what I heard, the HK News reporting took this to be a very
>serious matter when it first happened. It was supposedly big news the
>day it happened back in HK. There were then talks about it being a
>racial matter, suspicion that it had something to do with Mr. Leung (the
>father)'s job, a bad decision in the past?, and accusation that
>Vancouver Police and authorities weren't treating this very seriously.
>This was all HK News reporting of course. The Vancouver police responded
>and so did the local Hong Kong groups saying that this matter is being
>looked upon as being very serious. And They have also been working with
>HK police to see if they can find a link or a clue for this murder.
From various reports from Hong Kong I've read, Hong Kong media is
speculating that Sylvia Leung's (the victim) death might be tied to
the screening process of boat people executed by her father, the
Director of Immigration in Hong Kong. Of course this is just
speculation and the Burnaby RCMP is delaying this theory. But the
weapon used and execution style suggests this is not a normal case of
murder or sex crime. After all, you won't see a burglar using a
crossbow as a day-to-day weapon.
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Ho Sun Pang
>tw...@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong) writes:
>>g8c...@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Howard Sze-Ho Cheung) writes:
>>>
>>> Is there anyone know the death of the daughter of the
>>> Head of HK Immigration Office. What are the news say about
>>> in HK. Can someone tell me? I really want to know.
>>>
>
>speculating that Sylvia Leung's (the victim) death might be tied to
>the screening process of boat people executed by her father, the
>Director of Immigration in Hong Kong. Of course this is just
>speculation and the Burnaby RCMP is delaying this theory. But the
>weapon used and execution style suggests this is not a normal case of
>murder or sex crime. After all, you won't see a burglar using a
>crossbow as a day-to-day weapon.
>
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That tradegy happened when I was in Hong Kong. It was shocks everwhere and
rumors, however ridiculous they were, where everywhere. The most
wide-spread of all (and most "convincing" of all) is that the Director has
severe bad bloods with the counterfeit passport-making gangs, which their
operations were greatly hindered by the constant blast-ins of the Immigration
Inspectors. (I heard many people have been arrested in one of the Inspectors'
operations). So the gangs wanna kill the Director's family members. That
rumor has strengthened by *another* rumor that the Director's son was attacked
brutally shortly before the murder incident.
For the first few days the above rumor is seriously considered by the law
enforcement agencies, but later on the authorities (both in HK and Canada)
have RULE OUT the possibility of revenge by those gangs. Whether this is
just a way to calm down people, a smoke screen for easier investigation, or
is the truth is unclear.
But my 2 cents is this: If this is a revenge, it would be VERY DUMB to use
cross-bow as the weapon. This is NOT a Kung-fu or Schwarzenegger movie,
where "Make the victim feel the exceed pains of dying is more important than
get the victim killed". Also, if the motive to use a cross-bow to make her
body uglier and nastier, it would be a thousand times better if the killer
bring a few paper-cutter or a bottle of sulphuric acids (which make the victim
really feel the pain and also make it nasty). Even more, do you think it is
easier to carry a gun or a knife than a cross-bow? Also, it is much easier
to kill someone by a knife or a gun, rather than a darn cross-bow.
Of course, if you argue that the original motive is to hurt her instead of
killing her, there is no way to disprove your theory. Of course, however,
if one want to make up a story or theory, whether deliberate or
not, one would work very hard to make it very very convincing and real.
Remember the stupid NCR Commerical?
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> ...
>
I somehow miss this thread. Can someone post (or email me) a summary
of the incident? Thanks!
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Can anybody give me a quite summary on this incident. What had happen?
Thank You.
KL
Steven Leung
hp...@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
> But my 2 cents is this: If this is a revenge, it would be VERY DUMB to use
> cross-bow as the weapon. This is NOT a Kung-fu or Schwarzenegger movie,
> where "Make the victim feel the exceed pains of dying is more important than
> get the victim killed". Also, if the motive to use a cross-bow to make her
> body uglier and nastier, it would be a thousand times better if the killer
> bring a few paper-cutter or a bottle of sulphuric acids (which make the victim
> really feel the pain and also make it nasty). Even more, do you think it is
> easier to carry a gun or a knife than a cross-bow? Also, it is much easier
> to kill someone by a knife or a gun, rather than a darn cross-bow.
All your points listed here are disputable. But you missed a critical point:
kill with the cross-bow is noiseless without having to get close to the victim.
Yes, killing with gun/knife is easier, but exactly because of the extrordinary
nature of the weapon and the required skill, one must ask the question of whether
this is a professional kill, rather than asking the question whether the murderer
is dumb or not. From the arrow material, hit area, force, angle, etc., the
police may be able to determine if this is a professional act. I have read only
one report on this from newspaper and that report doesn't contain any detail
info., so, it's hard to say. But I think it's premature to rule out the
possibility of prof. kill.
Steven
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Tai Wang Patrick Lam
The murderer of the victim (Sylvia) is actually came from U.S., and he is
a prof. killer.
(From the reporter) The clue to her death is most likely related to her
father's job.
(The other say) However, the victim's brother (Hugo Leung) in S.F.U.
commited that the death of Sylvia may be related to her x-boyfriends,
and definitely not his father (Mr. Leung).
Any one want to comment on this!
Pok Wong
|> From Vancouver Chinese Broadcasting AM 1470:
|>
|> The murderer of the victim (Sylvia) is actually came from U.S., and he is
|> a prof. killer.
the arrow from 100 ft away. Also, the murder took place
at night in a parking lot (outdoor).
I think the killer is prof. and may even be equipped with
infra lens on the crossbow (speculation based on the distance
and light condition).
Under the current legistration here, anyone can purchase
own, and operate a crossbow without any
liscensing procedure. It is virtually impossible to
trace the operator/owner of the weapon.
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Ho Sun Pang
Comment (1): Any suspect yet? How do the people know the murderer is from US?
Comment (2): If the murder is directly related to her father, why the avengers
do not attempt to kill her father, after all?
I'd rather pay more attention to Hugo's theory...
- Lou
Ho Sun Pang
>In article <1lu5is...@gambier.rick.cs.ubc.ca>, c3c...@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Tai Wang Patrick Lam) writes:
>
>In a TV press release, RCMP said the killer shot
>the arrow from 100 ft away. Also, the murder took place
>at night in a parking lot (outdoor).
>
>I think the killer is prof. and may even be equipped with
>infra lens on the crossbow (speculation based on the distance
>and light condition).
>
Would someone please be kind enough to state WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT
THE KILLER IS A PROFESSIOANL ONE?
I don't get it, call me dumb if you will. You are talking about carrying
arrows and cross-bow around to kill someone, rather than plain and simple
shot at the back? Hiding a gun is much easier, don't you think? Also, it
is much more accurate and fatal to use a gun than a cross-bow, so why use a
darn arrow?
I totally do not buy the idea of infra-red viewers or something like that,
since many murders happened at very dark places. Do all these killers carry
infra-red viewing equipment? I don't think so. Also, how come most police
do not have one? If the lighting condition and the distance is a factor in
coming to the conclusion that the killer is a professional one, please blown
me.
Why don't we go on and say: HECK, THAT'S A PROFESSIONAL KILLER. HE DOESN'T
GOT A INFRA-RED AIMER, BUT WHAT HE DID WAS TO PARK HIS CAR NEARBY AND WAIT FOR
THE VICTIM. WHEN THE VICTIM SHOWUP HE TURNED ON THE HIGH-BEAMS OF HIS CAR
AND THEN JUST SHOOT. This way he could get away really quick (since he's right
next to his car), not easy to be pin-pointed (since it's very dark around and
he was behind a very very bright light source), and the sudden blast of light
would not alert anyone (since it's the parking lot).
But the more I think about this, the more I think the murderer is NOT a
professional one. I may be wrong, but please do not make more speculations
as we have enough &%*$_*@%^)*@%^)& going on about Vivian Chow and Patten...
- Louis Pang
Steven Leung
> Would someone please be kind enough to state WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT
> THE KILLER IS A PROFESSIOANL ONE?
One possible answer (i.e., there could be many answers) is that most people
have a common sense. (Look, I'm just trying to be kind.:)
Vincent Li
>bring a few paper-cutter or a bottle of sulphuric acids (which make the victim
>really feel the pain and also make it nasty). Even more, do you think it is
>easier to carry a gun or a knife than a cross-bow? Also, it is much easier
>to kill someone by a knife or a gun, rather than a darn cross-bow.
close range. A cross-bow is also exotic and gives a flare of drama, which,
if it was gang style killing might be. It could have been a professional. Of
course, that's all speculation with no base!
For those who seems to have missed the story: This was an incident happened
in Vancouver a few weeks ago, just after the Chinese New Year, as I recall.
Sylvia Leung, daughter of the HK Immigration director (I believe), was killed
when she was about to leave the BC Institute of Technology (BCIT) campus.
She was pronounced dead on arrival at the hospital. Because of her father's
position in HK, much speculation has been made that the killing was related
to her father's position in HK, and gang involvmeent of some kind might be
involved. However, the Vancouver RCMP had ruled out this possibility all
together. This incident also raised issues about safety on campuses in general
at Canadian universities and colleges. There was also news in HK stating that
this incident is one of many racially motivate violent acts against Chinese
Canadians and that the Canadian police have not been treating the incident
with the seriousness it deserves. Coincidentally, the Leung's resident in
Vancouver was attacked and several incidents of arson was reported just months
prior to the murder, raising further speculations of the connections, despite
firm denials by the RCMP that the incidents were not related.
-- Vince
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Vincent Li
>In article <1lu5is...@gambier.rick.cs.ubc.ca> c3c...@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Tai Wang Patrick Lam) writes:
>>From Vancouver Chinese Broadcasting AM 1470:
>>
>>commited that the death of Sylvia may be related to her x-boyfriends,
>>and definitely not his father (Mr. Leung).
>>
>>Any one want to comment on this!
>
> do not attempt to kill her father, after all?
away his dearest possession makes him suffer more.
>
>I'd rather pay more attention to Hugo's theory...
sketchy to the public at best.
Vincent Li
>In article <1993Feb17.2...@mprgate.mpr.ca> wo...@photon.mpr.ca writes:
>
>Would someone please be kind enough to state WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT
>THE KILLER IS A PROFESSIOANL ONE?
>
>I don't get it, call me dumb if you will. You are talking about carrying
>arrows and cross-bow around to kill someone, rather than plain and simple
>shot at the back? Hiding a gun is much easier, don't you think? Also, it
>is much more accurate and fatal to use a gun than a cross-bow, so why use a
>darn arrow?
Exactly because of the reasons you stated yourself, the implication is a
pre-meditated, deliberate, and well planned killing. Because of the difficulty
involved, as you yourself observe, why would a amateur go through all that
trouble? Knives and guns are what amateurs use exactly because they are easy
to obtain, conceal, and use.
>
>I totally do not buy the idea of infra-red viewers or something like that,
>since many murders happened at very dark places. Do all these killers carry
>infra-red viewing equipment? I don't think so. Also, how come most police
>do not have one? If the lighting condition and the distance is a factor in
>coming to the conclusion that the killer is a professional one, please blown
>me.
fact taht the criminals in HK posses and use weapons far more sophisticated
than the police force. What makes you think it'd be any different in Canada,
or anywhere in the world, for that matter?
>
>Why don't we go on and say: HECK, THAT'S A PROFESSIONAL KILLER. HE DOESN'T
>GOT A INFRA-RED AIMER, BUT WHAT HE DID WAS TO PARK HIS CAR NEARBY AND WAIT FOR
>THE VICTIM. WHEN THE VICTIM SHOWUP HE TURNED ON THE HIGH-BEAMS OF HIS CAR
>AND THEN JUST SHOOT. This way he could get away really quick (since he's right
>next to his car), not easy to be pin-pointed (since it's very dark around and
>he was behind a very very bright light source), and the sudden blast of light
>would not alert anyone (since it's the parking lot).
news, after the killer make the shot, Sylvia screamed and dashed toward the
building. By the time anyone came out and called the ambulance, the killer
would have plenty of time to get away. In the midst of the confusion, you'd
never even notice if he or she were to mix in with the crowd. Screaming
off in a car is likely to attract far more attention.
Ho Sun Pang
>>
>>I don't get it, call me dumb if you will. You are talking about carrying
>>arrows and cross-bow around to kill someone, rather than plain and simple
>>shot at the back? Hiding a gun is much easier, don't you think? Also, it
>>is much more accurate and fatal to use a gun than a cross-bow, so why use a
>>darn arrow?
>
>That is EXACTLY why many people would believe it's done by a professional.
>Exactly because of the reasons you stated yourself, the implication is a
>pre-meditated, deliberate, and well planned killing. Because of the difficulty
>involved, as you yourself observe, why would a amateur go through all that
>trouble? Knives and guns are what amateurs use exactly because they are easy
>to obtain, conceal, and use.
>
A professional cross-bower is one thing, a professional killer is the other.
Someone has mentioned that before, that the murderer may *NOT* be a
professional killer, but a definite professional cross-bower.
And please be aware of the fact that a professional killer's primary goal
is to kill people, not to show-off his killing ability. Make it as clean
as possible, you'll bet. So that's why I don't buy most people's argument.
And are you sure about the amateurs argument? This is EXACTLY why I think
most people have the misconception (of the fact that the murderer is a Pro.)!
>>
>>Why don't we go on and say: HECK, THAT'S A PROFESSIONAL KILLER. HE DOESN'T
>>GOT A INFRA-RED AIMER, BUT WHAT HE DID WAS TO PARK HIS CAR NEARBY AND WAIT FOR
>>THE VICTIM. WHEN THE VICTIM SHOWUP HE TURNED ON THE HIGH-BEAMS OF HIS CAR
>>AND THEN JUST SHOOT. This way he could get away really quick (since he's right
>>next to his car), not easy to be pin-pointed (since it's very dark around and
>>he was behind a very very bright light source), and the sudden blast of light
>>would not alert anyone (since it's the parking lot).
>That'd make too much noise! Think about it.
May be you should think about it as well...
This is the first time in my life I heard the fact that turning on
the high-beams of a car could make a loud noise, if there is one at all.
>Base on what's revealled in the
>news, after the killer make the shot, Sylvia screamed and dashed toward the
>building. By the time anyone came out and called the ambulance, the killer
>would have plenty of time to get away. In the midst of the confusion, you'd
>never even notice if he or she were to mix in with the crowd. Screaming
>off in a car is likely to attract far more attention.
>
Once again, look at the my posting carefully first...
Oh, I don't get this: You are saying that the killer would have plenty of
time to get away, and yet you also said "you'd never even notice if he or she
(you mean the killer, right?) were to mix in with the crowd". Are these
two facts contradictory? Also, turning head-lights on will NOT make a car
scream. If the parking lot is deserted, there is no rush for the killer to
hit the gas real hard (which will generate a screm for sure). If the parking
lot is crowded quickly afterwards, do you think there will be NOBODY
whatsoever notice a guy carrying eye-catching cross-bows?
BTW, the example I made in the original post is a ridiculous one, just to
show how ridiculous speculations could get using a little spare time. Don't
bother to go on discussing it: It's exactly the very satire to tease the
people who love to make meaningless speculations, as some did during the
NCR Commerical's incident.
Cheers, and Faye Wong is NOT a hot babe: You disgrace her by saying this!
(I am talking to the guy who said it a long time ago...)
- Louis Pang
Alvin W. Law
>THE KILLER IS A PROFESSIOANL ONE?
You believe the killer is an ameteur; possible...
Others believe that that killer is a professional; that's also
possible...
Those are all spectulations based on superficial evidence and until we
hunt down the *REAL* killer, we will never know...
If you really believe that the killer is not a pro., go convince the
RCMP at Burnaby and state your fact. S.C.HK. is not a place to argue
about a real murder case...
Show some respect to the victim's family. Who cares if the killer is
a pro or not; Sylvia Leung is *DEAD*...
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> shot at the back? Hiding a gun is much easier, don't you think? Also, it
> is much more accurate and fatal to use a gun than a cross-bow, so why use a
> darn arrow?
>
I don't know much about gun or crossbow but I had some conversation with
a friend sometime ago about crossbow. This conversation had nothing to
do with the murder we are talking about in the net right now.
Anyway, this friend he is a hunter using crossbows to hunter dear.
According to him, crossbow is much more accurate than gun and kill
instantly if you are good and the condition is right.
He definately will not agree the statement: "why use a darn arrow?".
Also, crossbow does not make a big "bang". I guess a silencer will have
the same effect.
Chris
Alvin W. Law
>THE KILLER IS A PROFESSIOANL ONE?
(a page long analysis deleted...)
WHO CARES IF THE KILLER IS A PROFESSIONAL OR NOT? WOULD THAT MAKE A
DIFFERENCE TO LEUNG'S FAMILY IF THEIR LOVED ONE IS KILLED BY A PRO?
THE FACT IS SYLVIA LEUNG IS DEAD REGARDLESS. SHOW SOME RESPECT TO THE
VICTIM'S FAMILY, PLEASE.
Ho Sun Pang
>RCMP at Burnaby and state your fact. S.C.HK. is not a place to argue
>about a real murder case...
>
Giving my opinion on your posting does not constitute my responsibility on
convincing other people. This is ridiculous.
>
>Show some respect to the victim's family. Who cares if the killer is
>a pro or not; Sylvia Leung is *DEAD*...
>
Yea, I didn't think of saying anything about this case until your posting.
In fact, what I am trying to do is NOT to advertise my theory, but to STOP
PEOPLE FROM MAKING ANY MORE SPECULATIONS. If you think I did not show respect
to the victim's family because I discourage further rumors and speculations
(CHECK MY VERY FIRST POSTING IF YOU ARE NOT CONVINCED), may be you should
explain to me how to show some respect to the victim's family then.
Really, do you think I should be more direct and say "YOU HECKS, LET'S STOP
ALL THESE NON-SENSE SPECULATIONS!!!!!"? May be I should do that so you
won't claim I do not show any respect...
Or, are you over-reacting, after all? ;-)
>
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>WHO CARES IF THE KILLER IS A PROFESSIONAL OR NOT? WOULD THAT MAKE A
>DIFFERENCE TO LEUNG'S FAMILY IF THEIR LOVED ONE IS KILLED BY A PRO?
>THE FACT IS SYLVIA LEUNG IS DEAD REGARDLESS. SHOW SOME RESPECT TO THE
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>VICTIM'S FAMILY, PLEASE.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Certainly. But how?
I do agree that the murderer should be arrested regardless of his profession.
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