Product not to buy!
Stephen Leung
REFERENCE TO THE PHIL DONAHUE SHOW, MARCH 1, 1990\fP
The president of Proctor and Gamble appeared on the Phil Donahue Show
on March 1, 1990. He announced that due to the openness of our society,
he was coming out of the closet about his association with the church
of satan. He stated that a large portion of the profit for the Proctor
and Gamble products goes to the support of the church of satan. When asked
by me, Donahue, if stating this on television would hurt his business,
he replied, "There are not enough Christians in the United States to
make a difference." Below is a list of Proctor and Gamble products:
CAKE MIX: DUNCAN HINES
CLEANING AIDS: BOLD, BOUNCE, CASCADE, CHEER, COMET, DASH, DAWN, ERA,
DOWNY, GAIN, JOY, MR. CLEAN, OXYDOL, SPIC AND SPAN, TIDE, WISK POWER,
COLGATE-PALMOLIVE, FAB ULTRA, CLOROX, ULTRA CLORAX
COFFEE: FOLGERS, HIGH POINT
SHORTENING AND COOKING OIL: CRISCO, FLUFFO, PURITAN
DEORDORANTS: SECRET, SURE
DIAPERS: LUVS, PAMPERS
HAIR CARE: LILT, HEAD AND SHOULDERS, PERT, PRELL
MOUTH WASH: SCOPE
TOOTHPASTE: CREST, GLEEN, COLGATE
PEANUT BUTTER: JIFFY
PERSONAL HYGIENE: ALWAYS, ATTEND UNDERGARMENTS
LOTION: OIL OF OLAY
SOAP: CAMAY, COAST, IVORY, LAVA, SAFEGUARD, ZEST
TISSUES: CHARMIN, PUFFS
If you are not sure about a product, look for the symbol of the rams horns,
which will appear on each product beginning in April. The ram's horns
will form the numbers 666 which is known as a satan's number.
CHRISTIANS SHOULD REMEMBER THAT IF THEY BUY ANY OF THESE PRODUCTS, THEY
WILL BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE SUPPORT OF THE CHURCH OF SATAN.
Please inform other Christians about this. Stop buying from Proctor and Gamble
and let's prove to the president of Proctor and Gamble that there are enough
Christians to make a difference!!!
On a recent Merv Griffin show, a group of cultists were featured of which one
was the owner of Proctor and Gamble. He said he had told satan that if he
would help him prosper, then he would give his heart and soul to him. He
then gave satan all the credit for his riches.
The symbol described: RAM'S HORNS with three sets of stars placed in such
a way that if the stamps in each set are connected, form the numbers 666.
Anyone interested in this topic should send for a transcript of Phil Donahue's
show by writing:
DONAHUE TRANSCRIPTS
JOURNAL GRAPHIC, INC.
267 BROADWAY
NEW YORK, NEW YORK 10007
(P.S. I post this for my brothers and sisters)
Stephen Leung
W. Wilson Ho
>
> REFERENCE TO THE PHIL DONAHUE SHOW, MARCH 1, 1990\fP
>
>
> The president of Proctor and Gamble appeared on the Phil Donahue Show
> on March 1, 1990. He announced that due to the openness of our society,
> he was coming out of the closet about his association with the church
> of satan. He stated that a large portion of the profit for the Proctor
> and Gamble products goes to the support of the church of satan. When asked
> by me, Donahue, if stating this on television would hurt his business,
> he replied, "There are not enough Christians in the United States to
> make a difference." Below is a list of Proctor and Gamble products:
>
> [...]
Can someone verify this? I remember hearing the same story
many years ago in Hong Kong. I never know whether this is true or
not. The message says that show was shown on March 1, *1990*. Why
wasn't this message posted then?
I'm not questioning Stephen's motive in posting the article,
cause he might have got it somewhere else. But since these days there
are so many fake messages/chain letters floating around on the net, I
think we should be more cautious.
Wilson
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Andrew Chan
>
>The president of Proctor and Gamble appeared on the Phil Donahue Show
>
are not enough Christians to make a difference" sounds the same...
The pastor asked for the _SAME_ boycott only later to "clarify" the situation
as "unfortunate mix up". He also encouraged people buying "Colgate"(sic)
since "it is owned and operated by Christians".
>Anyone interested in this topic should send for a transcript of Phil Donahue's
>show by writing:
>
>DONAHUE TRANSCRIPTS
>JOURNAL GRAPHIC, INC.
>267 BROADWAY
>NEW YORK, NEW YORK 10007
>
How do I know "Journal Graphic, Inc" is not operated by some too excited
fundamentalist Christains?
Personally I won't believe any of these until there is more in-depth media
coverage. I wouldn't mind if you can forward me a copy (e-mail or US mail),
and I will reimburse the postage.
>(P.S. I post this for my brothers and sisters)
I am not one of them :-( :-)
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George C. Lo
|>
|> Can someone verify this? I remember hearing the same story
|> many years ago in Hong Kong. I never know whether this is true or
|> not. The message says that show was shown on March 1, *1990*. Why
|> wasn't this message posted then?
|>
|> I'm not questioning Stephen's motive in posting the article,
|> cause he might have got it somewhere else. But since these days there
|> are so many fake messages/chain letters floating around on the net, I
|> think we should be more cautious.
|>
If it is true, I certainly would not want to contribute to Satan.
George Lo
Brown University
The Wandering Hermit
>
> REFERENCE TO THE PHIL DONAHUE SHOW, MARCH 1, 1990\fP
>
This is not the first time. An article called "Wisconsen (sp?) Report"
which appeared in around 82 to 83 was saying the same thing. It was
circulated in both USA and HK. Unfortunately, it was a false alarm.
The detail of this one and the last one are exactly the same except
the date of the Dohahue is show different. Please varify the information
claimed in the report before you put in any action against P&G.
I am a Christian (a Southern Baptist :) ) and I have no connection
whatsoever with P&G. I just learned my lesson last time.
Simon, The Wandering Hermit
Stephen Leung
Recently, I post the message "product not to buy" because
the profit of Proctor and Gamble products goes to the support of
the church of satan. I received this letter from my friend via
e-mail. Sorry that I haven't confirmed if it is fake or not,
and sent it to the net right away. I didn't mean to spread any
unnecssary rumor about anyone or the company. I think I should
withdraw that message I post for the time being. However, I
will try to send a letter to the address mentioned to find out the
whole story. If I (luckily) receive any respond, I will post
this again.
Stephen Leung
Mark Green
>
> >
> > REFERENCE TO THE PHIL DONAHUE SHOW, MARCH 1, 1990\fP
> >
> >
> > The president of Proctor and Gamble appeared on the Phil Donahue Show
> > on March 1, 1990. He announced that due to the openness of our society,
> > he was coming out of the closet about his association with the church
> > of satan. He stated that a large portion of the profit for the Proctor
> > and Gamble products goes to the support of the church of satan. When asked
> > by me, Donahue, if stating this on television would hurt his business,
> > he replied, "There are not enough Christians in the United States to
> > make a difference." Below is a list of Proctor and Gamble products:
> >
> > [...]
>
> Can someone verify this? I remember hearing the same story
> many years ago in Hong Kong. I never know whether this is true or
> not. The message says that show was shown on March 1, *1990*. Why
> wasn't this message posted then?
One possible reason for this stuff appearing now is that Proctor and Gamble
recently won a law suit against at least one of the organizations that
have been spreading this rumor. These groups quote all sorts of references,
like the above article does, but when they are tracked down, in turns
out that the source has nothing to do with the rumor. This is an urban
legend that has been circulating around North America for decades, probably
one of Proctor and Gamble's competitors is behind it. After all, all you
need to do is get a few religous zelots involved and you have lots of
free advertizing.
The Wandering Hermit
>Gees... I thought I heard the _SAME_ story in 1985? Even the quote "there
>are not enough Christians to make a difference" sounds the same...
>
It was ~1982 when I first heard about this in Texas.
> [some stuff deleted]
>How do I know "Journal Graphic, Inc" is not operated by some too excited
>fundamentalist Christains?
How does this relate to Christians? Do you think that some crazy
Christians make this up?
>Personally I won't believe any of these until there is more in-depth media
>coverage. I wouldn't mind if you can forward me a copy (e-mail or US mail),
>and I will reimburse the postage.
>
Both of Newsweek and Ted Koppel from Nightline did a report on this.
They could find the "author" of this letter/report. And Donahue denied
that he had such an interview with P&G's president.
Shun Yan Cheung
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Shun Yan Cheung
>
>out that the source has nothing to do with the rumor. This is an urban
>legend that has been circulating around North America for decades, probably
What in the world is an urban legend ? I know what each of them mean,
but joinly they makes no sense to me. A legend only known in the city ?
It's not exactly an oximoron, but close.
Terry Chan
Actually, the term "urban legend" is not an oxymoron at all. In all
cultures, there is an ancient practice of informally transmitting
"lore" -- wisdom, knowledge, or accepted modes of behavior orally.
As this oral tradition builds, clear story lines frequently arise
and those are called "narrative folklore". These stories that are
alleged to be true are called "legends". Just because we live in an
age (and frequently in societies) characterized by heavy development
and urbanization does not mean that these oral traditions go away.
Instead they are often transformed to take place in the course of
experience in urban life. This example (of PG&E) is a new spin of
an old rumor concerning PG&E for at least 10 years.
Other urban legends people may be familar with is the story of where
a couple hires a baby sitter who gets stoned and cooks the baby in an
oven, telling the couple that she put the turkey in the oven. This
legend is firmly believed by many, but there is no evidence that it
ever happened.
Many things are accepted as truth but frequently have no real basis.
For more information, you can see _The Vanishing Hitchhiker: American
Urban Legends and Their Meanings_ by Professor Jan Harold Brunvand
(most of the above is taken from pp.1-2 of that book).
Now that we're throughly off the subject . . . we return you to your
regularly scheduled programming.
Terry
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Andy Sun
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twc...@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
>Other urban legends people may be familar with is the story of where
>a couple hires a baby sitter who gets stoned and cooks the baby in an
>oven, telling the couple that she put the turkey in the oven. This
>legend is firmly believed by many, but there is no evidence that it
>ever happened.
Did the legend mention whether the couple eat that "turkey" or not?
If yes, what did they say about the taste? Good? Bad? :-)
Andy
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george colm hawkins
In article <73...@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> che...@mathcs.emory.edu
(Shun Yan Cheung) writes:
> What in the world is an urban legend ? I know what each of them
> mean, but joinly they makes no sense to me. A legend only known in
> the city ?
Legends that are developing in a modern urban context, or if you
like the folklore of modern urbanised society. For a really
interesting discussion of urban legends read:
i) The Vanishing Hitchhikker.
ii) The Chocking Doberman and other New Urban Legends.
both of which are written by Jan Harold Brunvand and published by
W. W. Norton and Company, Inc.
These are not just boring old acaddemic books, they make a very
good bed time read, but be prepared to be dissapointed as you discover
that all those stories that *REALLY* did happen to a friend of a
friend, have happened to millions of other "friends of a friend"
around the world.
In article <91Apr24.173...@me.utoronto.ca> s...@ME.UTORONTO.CA
(Andy Sun) writes:
> >The president of Proctor and Gamble appeared on the Phil Donahue Show
> >on March 1, 1990. He announced that due to the openness of our society,
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is this a newsgroup or an oldsgroup? :-)
old, *OLD*? It's worse than that, this story first made the rounds in 1982.
Now onto the article that provoked all this. If you could shout on
News I would, I think this is utterly disgracful. Accussing a huge
well known firm like P&G of such a bad thing without checking your
facts is reckless and irresponsible. I suppose you were told the
story by someone you trust, maybe a Christian collegue, and the
inclusion of convincing information like mention of the fact that
it was on the Donahue show convinced you of the stories truth. I'm
so glad that you had the decency to take back what you said, I hope
you will go as far as to apologise on discovering the falseness of
this story.
I really recommend that you read 'The Choking Doberman' as mentioned
above. If you look up P&G in the index you will find a very thourgh
discussion of the P&G satanism myth. Of particular interest to Shun
Yan Cheung and Stephen Leung should be the section 'Counter attack
in defence of P&G'. This includeds a statements from various
important churchmen who are convinced of the "purity", as they put
it, of P&G, confirmation from the makers of "Donahue", "Merv Griffin"
and various other similiar shows of never having interviewed a
member of P&G claiming to be a satanist, and mention of the lawsuits
brought against various irresponsible people who were involved in
the spreed of the P&G satanism myth. Prosecution for people like
Stephen Leung may seem very harsh, but you really should read the
sections of this book to see the incredible provocartion given the
P&G company and the necessity of making examples of certain people
in order to quell the rumours that clearly had very bad effects
for the company.
I have no connection with P&G, just trying to help clear something up.
yours,
George!
ps Mr Leung, please don't feel I'm attacking you or think you should
be charged with anything!
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Terry Chan
+twc...@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
+>Other urban legends people may be familar with is the story of where
+>a couple hires a baby sitter who gets stoned and cooks the baby in an
+>oven, telling the couple that she put the turkey in the oven. This
+>legend is firmly believed by many, but there is no evidence that it
+>ever happened.
+
+Did the legend mention whether the couple eat that "turkey" or not?
+If yes, what did they say about the taste? Good? Bad? :-)
+
+Andy
No, it did not. As is common in these types of legends, the resolution
is not spelled out. Of course, you may wish to follow up to
soc.culture.china and see if anyone has any more information on the
"Szechuan dumplings" and can relay it to you :-).