What does the Cantonese term, "Yeet Hay" mean?
That is a term people describe about their food as being that, therefore
avoid eating it.
What does that mean. "Yeet Hay?" Hot Air? Are you possessed or something?
How come Chinese people are so scared of, "Yeet Hay"? :)
Pat Chung
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>How come Chinese people are so scared of, "Yeet Hay"? :)
Its just an excuse to avoid chilly and chocolates. I never pay any
attention to folks who warn me of "YH" since I eat practically anything
that's fried and roasted. By the way, is boozing considered to result in
"YH" as well?
This goes back to the Daoist's idea of balancing the Yin and Yang
and the chinese medicine's theory of 5 elements. The chinese medicine
considers the cause of illness to be the imbalance between the human
body's Yin-Yang forces and normally can be contributed to six external
factors of the so-called "evil" forces: wind, cold, extreme heat, humid,
dry, and hot. (BTW, even thought they are called "evil," they have
nothing to do with God or holly war.:) Yeet Hay means the food
facilitates the "hot"/Yang force to become excess and can lead to
illness. Symptoms of excess hot include feeling thirsty, swelling in
the head, feeling unrest (yeah, the mind is to some extent affected
by the physical wellness of the body), etc.
> How come Chinese people are so scared of, "Yeet Hay"? :)
Not all chinese people, but I think we cantonese are particularly fond
of classifying the heat/cool nature of foods. One indication of this
is the large number of Leung(cool/herbal) Cha(tea) shops all over HK.
Actually, I thought it's pretty effective - now I've learn to have
those LeungCha within 24 hrs after I come back to HK in order to keep
my guts clean. :)
Steven
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meeting and solving problems that life has its meaning."
From "The Road Less Traveled" by M. Scott Peck
It is not just Cantonese, but universally Chinese. To understand the term,
you first have to understand the 5 elements positive/negative conceptual
system of the Chinese for the universe as well as the human body.
>That is a term people describe about their food as being that, therefore
>avoid eating it.
Foods are categorized according to how they change the state of our body
after consumption, in other word, how they affect our balance.
>What does that mean. "Yeet Hay?" Hot Air? Are you possessed or something?
>How come Chinese people are so scared of, "Yeet Hay"? :)
It is the technical jargon for the conidtions roughly corresponding to the
accumulation of wastes in body cells. Since wastes are toxic and harmful,
so the term is often used together with the term "Duk"(toxin). No, don't
associate it with any superstition you may have, it is just some common
conditions when you are not eating right. "Scared" is not the right
word. For anyone who are concerned about their health, they would just
avoid too much food like that. A lot of the Western junk foods fall
into that category. Now start listening to your Chinese parents or your
face will blown up like a volcano with all the wastes trying to get out
as zits. The junks have to go somewhere and your face may be a short
cut for them.
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I think that according to Chinese medicine, our illness is mainly can
be categorated into Hot and Cold two groups. While all the food or
medicine can be categoried into Hot and Cold two groups too. (more
precisely, Hot, Warm, Cool, Cold). So if your illness is due to cold
then you need warm or hot food or medicine, and vise versa.
As Catonnese live in hot damp area, so most of their illnes is due to
too much hot, and less Yeet Hay the better.
It is quiet mysterious to say which food is hot which is not. For
example, orange is cold while manderin is hot. White sugar is cold and
brown sugar is hot. Ginger is hot for sure. So if you catch a cold you
need to drink ginger soup with brown sugar (never white sugar).
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Tingli Pan
: No, I don't think Chinese are afraid of Yeet Hay, maybe the Cantonese
: are exception since they live in the warm part.
: As Catonnese live in hot damp area, so most of their illnes is due to
: too much hot, and less Yeet Hay the better.
I disagree there, because many ppl who eats yeet hay stuff on a daily
basis live in warm humid climates ( e.g. Indians, south eastern Asian
and ppl living in the Carribeans ).
--
W. R. Chan
"No sig yet - maybe some day"
I have some simplistic interpretations of my own, but let's just
leave that to more knowledgeable people.
>What does the Cantonese term, "Yeet Hay" mean?
>That is a term people describe about their food as being that, therefore
>avoid eating it.
>What does that mean. "Yeet Hay?" Hot Air? Are you possessed or something?
>How come Chinese people are so scared of, "Yeet Hay"? :)
I think it is just a condition where people eat too many fried oily
foods, spicy stuff, and things like that such that they get very thirsty
the next day, maybe with sore throat and break out in pimples. It is
definitely due to food they eat. Not everybody is affected by foods in
the same way but some are more susceptable than others.
People then prepare a bit of healthy soup, or whatever, or even tell you
to drink a lot of water, or take some special supplements to counteract
the affects of the yeet hay food.
One thing for sure, the food that people eat may affect their bodies.
For me, I just eat anything anyway, but you gotta balance your diet
out...it's ok to eat yeet hay stuff but don't over do it.
Kenny L.
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Kenny Leong
email: Kennet...@marlin.jcu.edu.au
: I disagree there, because many ppl who eats yeet hay stuff on a daily
: basis live in warm humid climates ( e.g. Indians, south eastern Asian
: and ppl living in the Carribeans ).
A lot of them also eat a lot of fruits that are "hon."
- felix
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> Patrick Chung <met...@freenet.mb.ca> wrote:
>
> >How come Chinese people are so scared of, "Yeet Hay"? :)
>
> Its just an excuse to avoid chilly and chocolates. I never pay any
> attention to folks who warn me of "YH" since I eat practically anything
> that's fried and roasted. By the way, is boozing considered to result in
> "YH" as well?
Probably a "Hang Over" is considered "Yeet Hay" :) >
If YH is considered Yang, then there must be a Yin - right?
Isn't beer a good Yin??? 8-)
In Asian countries such as H.K. people use umbrella to shade from the sun.
In the U.K. people use umbrella to prevent them from getting wet.
In North America nobody uses an umbrella, they just get wet.
I know "Yeet Hay" bothers Chinese people, but not Caucasian people.
When do you see Chinese people go into a sauna?
Pat Chung
|When do you see Chinese people go into a sauna?
|
How about the public bathroom?
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Tingli Pan
So?!
Patrick Chung (met...@freenet.mb.ca) wrote:
: In Asian countries such as H.K. people use umbrella to shade from the sun.
: In the U.K. people use umbrella to prevent them from getting wet.
: In North America nobody uses an umbrella, they just get wet.
J. W.
PS: Gee.. so many crosspostings. You are really bored and want
attention, don't you?!
: That is a term people describe about their food as being that, therefore
: avoid eating it.
I think being yeet hay is a kind of intolerance. For those who are
used to a "hot" diet, he/she is more immuned to the effect of yeet
hay. Most westerner & many northern/south eastern Asian food are considered
extremely yeet hay but yet are consumed by those ppl everyday if not
during every meal. I would relate it to the intake of spicy food ( which most
Americans are not able to handle ) or dairy products ( which many
Asians have problem tolerating ).
: What does that mean. "Yeet Hay?" Hot Air? Are you possessed or something?
: How come Chinese people are so scared of, "Yeet Hay"? :)
Like I said, those who cannot tolerate it of course are afraid of it.
But, not everybody is. I take that you are trying to justify your eating of
hot food because you are feeling guilty about doing it. Well,don't
be. If my observation is correct, all you have to do is to increase
its consumption gradually. I think there is a good chance that you
can handle yeet hay as good as any westerner/northern/south eastern/
asian/whatever. If you can already handle yeet hay, then this would
apply to whoever is dying to attempt this evil sin.
Anyway, I think it is ludicrous for some Cantonese to consider baby
cereal yeet hay. Even if it is, it should have no effect on the
babies as they are all starting out chung wor ( neutural ).
You must live in an area of Canada where cars are the most used means
of travel. I'm in New York City, where many don't drive: the parking
fees alone will be enough to buy a brand new car by monthly payments.
So the people here do carry umbrellas. Moreover, in the three
Chinatowns here (Manhattan, Flushing and Brooklyn 8th Ave) one can see
some Chinese, usually middle aged ladies, use umbrellas as parasols,
to shield themselves from the hot July sun.
Nobody here pays attention to that special use of umbrellas. I guess
that in New York you have to do something really drastically eccentric
to attract attention, or else you're left alone. OTOH when I was
living in that small college town where there was no Chinese
population to speak of, I was wont to use a book or a folder to shield
my forehead from the midday sun. (Yes, I was prematurely going bald,
alas. [grin]) -- When I was walking past some cheerleaders, they
smiled as if I was doing something incongruous... Back then the sun
was supposed to be healthy: it was a few years before the number of
skin cancers got people worried...
BTW, umbrellas are a *genuine* Chinese invention. (Tralala! we can
trumpet it victoriously over the roofs. [broad grin from ear to ear].)
They were first made from oiled paper, pasted on a framework of
bamboo. Some got elaborately painted: one can still get some from
Taiwan, where a woman craft(wo)man made them into objects of fine art.
As for the telescopic umbrella that telescopes down to a size that a
briefcase can hold, it was seemingly a German invention: Knirps seems
to be the brand that made them first. I got one with gilt frame and
leather sheath, but unfortunately lost it in NYC in a theft. Now I
got one that telescopes threefold to a mere foot, and cost me $3.50 in
Chinatown of NYC. (It's made in China, of course.) :-)
Those umbrellas that impress me the most are those long and strong
umbrellas that British gentlemen were pictured to carry around. In a
James Bond movie some man was stabbed in the buttock by such a
formidable weapon, with a tip equipped with a drogue injecting
seringe. The next time you see an impassive and tall gentleman, in a
gray trenchcoat, carrying a briefcase in one hand and one big, long,
sharp black umbrella in the other, hurrying behind you while you get
out of the underground... (OK, roll the tape with the sound track of
"Jaws".) Please watch out and protect your strategic area from a
sudden stab. :-)
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WT
>In Asian countries such as H.K. people use umbrella to shade from the sun.
>In the U.K. people use umbrella to prevent them from getting wet.
>In North America nobody uses an umbrella, they just get wet.
You have a very dry sense of humour Pat...;->
No it is not dryness, which is term "Cho" in Cantonese. There is
"dry(cho) hot" and then "wet(sup) hot". As I have said before,
"hot" roughly corresponds to accumulation of wastes in body cells.
"Dry hot" may be viewed as dehydration. The wastes can be brought
out by drinking more liquid. Now "wet hot" is far more difficult
to treat(and hence the expression for a very tough situation).
Both liquid and wastes are accumulation in the body, thus hydration
for "hot" won't work while removing liquid may increase "hot".
> I think being yeet hay is a kind of intolerance. For those who are
> used to a "hot" diet, he/she is more immuned to the effect of yeet
> hay.
Young and healthy people may have higher tolerance, but anyone will
get old and weak. Whatever you did in your youth will come back to
haunt you.
> Most westerner & many northern/south eastern Asian food are considered
> extremely yeet hay but yet are consumed by those ppl everyday if not
> during every meal.
Most of the time, there is some sort of balance in the foods and
activities of a particluar culture. For example, Gwai Lo's drink a
lot of beer which is great for countering their "hot" diet. That's
why we call beer as "Gwai Lo Leung Cha". However, I do think diet-wise,
Chinese is the best. Hong Kong people lives several years longer than
people in US inspite of the poor environment we have. Diet must be
an important factor there as both have modern health care.
> Like I said, those who cannot tolerate it of course are afraid of it.
>But, not everybody is. I take that you are trying to justify your eating of
>hot food because you are feeling guilty about doing it. Well,don't
>be. If my observation is correct, all you have to do is to increase
>its consumption gradually. ...
A lot of Chinese has laxto-intolerance, so that's going to work too?
A final note, the technical term, "hot", for describing body condition
should not be equated with thermal hot or spicy hot. Thus hot chili
pepper is not necessary "hot" in the medical sense. The method of
preparation is usually very important. For example, anything
deep fried in oil is almost guaranteed "hot" even if it tastes sweet
and is chilled. Chocolate is not spicy and most are consumpted cold,
but we all know about its being "hot". From the way cereals are
processed, it is not difficult to see that it is "hot". That's
why it is usullay drenched in milk first.
Not necessarily and the term wastes is not very well defined anyway.
I think a more intuitive explanation of "hot" is hyperactive activity
(of certain organ). So, we have liver/lung/intestine heat, etc.
> "Dry hot" may be viewed as dehydration. The wastes can be brought
> out by drinking more liquid. Now "wet hot" is far more difficult
> to treat(and hence the expression for a very tough situation).
> Both liquid and wastes are accumulation in the body, thus hydration
> for "hot" won't work while removing liquid may increase "hot".
Well, there is also another concept regarding the nature of the
heat: virtual(Hui) vs. real(Shut). Going back to the theory of yin-
yang balance, let's use the following picture to denote the yin-
yang balance state:
Yin Yang
==> -- --
I use the marker '==>' to denote a conceptually "natural state."
Hot generally refers to the inbalanced situation that the Yang
(promoting forces) exceeds the yin(damping force). However, this
can occur in two different situations as shown below:
Yin Yang Yin Yang
--
==> -- --
--
The situation in the left is the "real" heat and the right is termed
virtual heat. In general, heat-reducing drugs tend to push the yin-
yang forces down but as you can see, this may not be appropriate in
the virtual heat situation.
The theory of the chinese medicine, imo, is very rational, although
not very scientific. The principles are quite sound but the problem is
that it is hard to quantify. And on top of that, the chinese medicine
theory has a tendancy to use one term to "explain out" the other and
sometimes I can't help to have a feeling of playing word games (my
favorite example is "Tung1(thru) Zut(then) But(not) Tung3(pain),
Tung3 Zut But Tung1"). That makes the CM theory stay in a very
superficial level. Just think about the marker '==>', what is this
natural balanced state? Well, the CM doctor would tell you that this
differs among individuals. (Another way to say that is when you are
ill, I know you are out of balance.) Nevertheless, I think there are
still great wisdoms in CM. As I said to some skeptic western doctors,
the difficulties in applying the principle doesn't mean that the
principle is not sound. It's like saying that the principle of making
money in the stock market is to buy low and sell high. It's simple
enuf right? Everyone knows the real tough problem is to determine
what is 'low' and what is 'high'? But I have never heard that 'coz of
this, people question about the stock-buying principle. :)
In referring to "wastes", I am using the modern concepts of cell
biology, thus it is defined well enough. They are the usless products
of metabolism that are left over after the conversion of nutrients
into energy. For example, uric acid is not something you want to have
accumulated in your body.
As for "heat" in different parts of the body, those are Chinese
medicine concepts and probably very difficult to relate to
modern medicine especially when the Chinese ascribe the functions of
various organs quite differently.
Steven Leung also wrote:
>The theory of the chinese medicine, imo, is very rational, although
>not very scientific. The principles are quite sound but the problem is
>that it is hard to quantify. ...
>... It's like saying that the principle of making
>money in the stock market is to buy low and sell high. ...
> ... Everyone knows the real tough problem is to determine
>what is 'low' and what is 'high'? ...
> ... But I have never heard that 'coz of
> this, people question about the stock-buying principle. :)
The stock market is a very good analogy that I like to use often too.
The body is a highly non-linear system of many dimension, much like
the stock market. Modern sciences, like molecular biology, provide
some of the basic laws governing the local interactions, again
similar to the basic economic principles driving the market. Even if
we have all of the laws needed to capture most of the physics of
the systems, we still have big problems in describing the
behaviour of the solutions as well as its dependency on input
conditions simply because there are so much details and we
have no hope to understand everything all at once.
One method is to do abtractions, visualizing the solutions in terms
of large structures, or trends etc. and ignoring the details. The
Chinese 5 elements -/+ system is in effect such an abtraction.
The labels, "hot" & "cool" etc. are used to encapsulate the megascopic
phenomena of the body system, much the same way as market jargons
like "bull" & "bear" etc. are used to describe market trends. Thus as
such they are inherently vague and sometimes arbitrary. For example,
in weather forecast, a pool of swirling air is called a typhoon and
not a tropical storm when the wind speed is above a certain figure
which is, of course, quite artificial and there are grey areas when
it is difficult to decide if a typhoon name should be assigned.
However, the concept of typhoon serves us well (and we all appreicate
when we get a day off). So too has Chinese medicine.
Modern medicine still concentrates on specific mechanisms and sneers
at the rather imprecise characterization of body conditions used
by Chinese medicine. That, of course, is its forte, and yet
probably very soon it will be bogged downed by the vast intricacy
of the many interactions possible between many competiting mechanisms,
unless some method of information compression is introduced to abtract
the system to some humanly manageable proportion. In effect, it
might have to somewhat converge towards the direction of tradition
Chinese medicine, which would then be a good basis for comparison.
: I know "Yeet Hay" bothers Chinese people, but not Caucasian people.
: When do you see Chinese people go into a sauna?
When I was at the HK YMCA there were lots of Chinese people in the saunas.
By the way you people talk it seems like "Yeet Hay" is just like a flu
or something caused by a virus and you drink more fluids to prevent
this from geting worst.
I think what the discussions of this thread boils down to is that CM
doctors are good stock fund managers (if given the chance) because
they are trained to measure the pulse to distinguish Shen(kidney)
Kwai(weak) or bear market case from Hui(virtual) Foi(fire) Sheung(up)
Sing(elevated) or bull market case. :)
: By the way you people talk it seems like "Yeet Hay" is just like a flu
: or something caused by a virus and you drink more fluids to prevent
: this from geting worst.
It's not something caused by a virus though you drink herbal tea as a
remedy.
- felix
Steven Leung <le...@loc3.tandem.com> wrote:
>I think what the discussions of this thread boils down to is that CM
>doctors are good stock fund managers (if given the chance) because
>they are trained to measure the pulse to distinguish Shen(kidney)
>Kwai(weak) or bear market case from Hui(virtual) Foi(fire) Sheung(up)
>Sing(elevated) or bull market case. :)
Yes, and we just need better interpretation. I suppose "hot" is feeding
the market with too many IPO of junk stocks. "Cool" is the news of
rising interest rate and "cold" is disappointing quarter earnings etc.
Of course a correction will be like diarrhea, the bio-core dump.
>
In Bulgeria they use them to kill off dissidents(allegedly)
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> In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960710204820.27480E-
> 100...@winnie.freenet.mb.ca>, Patrick Chung <met...@freenet.mb.ca>
> writes
> >
> >In Asian countries such as H.K. people use umbrella to shade from the sun.
> >
> >In the U.K. people use umbrella to prevent them from getting wet.
> >
> >In North America nobody uses an umbrella, they just get wet.
>
> >
> In Bulgeria they use them to kill off dissidents(allegedly)
In Vietnam they use umbrellas to dance with. It is called the
"Umbrella Dance". A great show in terms of the beautiful dresses the
Vietnamese wear and their dance style!
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> 'Only six computers will ever be sold in the commercial market'
> Howard Aiken (The designer of IBM first computer)
> Neil J. Smalley
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>
Pat Chung
: >
: In Bulgeria they use them to kill off dissidents
Are you thinking of Gyorgy Markov? Didn't that happen in London?