Tus xib fwb cuav no puas yog neeg Hmoob tawm hauv Hmoob lub plab los ne?

[Yaj Tshaj Koob]

Peb pom vaj tswv zoo li cas, vaj tswv los tsi muaj neeg pom, ua li dab
ne puas muaj neeg pom thiab, tsi muaj leejtwg pom qhov tseeb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB1n7hHTm0o&feature=related

Tus Xib fwb no puag yog neeg paub cai, nej leej twg pom yawg no lub
neej ho zoo npaum li cas lawm? ua cas yuav khav txiv loj npaum no,
cuag li nws ya ib nta ntuj es yuav tsi txawj tuag li.

Tus neeg uas xij muaj kev txob thuam lwm tus li kev ntseeg mas vim yog
nws li txoj kev ntseeg tsi zoo txaus mas thiaj mus thuam luag lwm tus
kev ntseeg. Leej twg pom vaj tswv zoo li cas ho tuaj piav qhia seb zoo
li cas.

Tswv Yesxus yog ib tus dab loj uas sawv daws tau teev nws txhua txhua
lub caij noj mov yuav tau hu nws tuav nws lub npe, thiab txhua txhua 7
hnub twg yuav tau mus teev dab yesxus ib zaug loj.

Tej duab uas nws muab tso tawm ntawd yog leej twg pom tus dab tseeb
coj los kos ua duab zoo li ntawd, ntseeg tau tias yog ib cov duab dag
loj kawg nkaus, yog neeg ua tsi muaj nrrg pom.

http://www.jesusdressup.com/

Tus neeg ua daj tes raug ntsia rau saum ntoo khaub lig puas yog neeg
txhaum? yog neeg txhaum thiaj mag ntsia ua daj tes li ntawd.

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Tus neeg uas yawg xibfwb ntawd teev saum toj no ua cas lub ntsej muag
thiab tej qhov muag yuav txaus ntshais ua luaj thiab ne, yog neeg los
yog dab thiab maj cov kwv luag.

Yog neeg ruam npaum no lawm tiag ces thov tsi txhob mus thej xab nam
rau lwm tus tsam me ntsis raug tsuj nawb mog. Tus neeg ntse yeej tsi
thuam hais lwm tus li kev teev hawm ib zaug li ntag ov, qhov nws thuam
twb yog nws ntshai tsam lawv tsi los ntseeg nws tus dab qhuas xwb.

YTK

[Yaj Tshaj Koob]

Xib Fwb tes dej num ces zoo li daim duab hauv qab no.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygTeL6HWEWE&feature=related

Lam tuaj thej xab nam tom church tab si ntsia ntsoov lawv cov poj niam
zoo nkauj thiab tej ntxhais zoo nkauj xwb, mus church yog tsi muaj dab
es muaj vajtswv xwb no ntshe sawv daws twb tsi mus sib deev tom church
li sawv daws tau hnov los ntau los lawd, yog yuav muab saib ces tej
kev sib deev hauv church uas cov xibfwv deev lawv cov poj niam thiab
tej txiv neej thiab poj niam hauv church cia li sib deev ces yog los
ntawm vajtswv ntuj ua tus pom zoo es thiaj sib deev, yuav ua li ntawd
es vajtswv ntuj thiaj tau ntej muag, ua li leej twg ho pom vajtswv
ntuj tus uas yog tus tswv ntuj tseeb tseeb tiag? Yuav tsi muaj tim
khawv hlo li ntag.

YTK

[Vaj Ncuab]

On Dec 20, 8:04 pm, Yaj Tshaj Koob <mutant_l...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Ha ha ha Yawghlob Yajtshajkoob;


Tus Xibhwb no yog Xibhwb Txooj Zeb Muas thaum ub nyob Moj Sab Pha
Khao. Xyoo 1964 yawg ua tub rog rau Kongphan 2 (Capt. Lis Teeb),
Konghuoei 5. Tom qab no yawg los ua tub rog rau Col. Tub Lwj Moua
thiab yawg yog tus pom Col. Tub Lwj xuas Jeep thauj nyiaj mus tsev.
Xibhwb Txooj Zeb txawj piav vim yawg twb raug dab tsis txom txaus,
txomnyem txaus lawm. Thaum tuaj txog Thaibteb yawg thiaj hawb dab
thiab los ntseeg Vajtswv.

Txij hnub uas Xibhwb Txooj Zeb los ntseeg Vajtswv yawg tau zoo nyob,
zam dhau tej vij sub vij sws. Vim li no nws thiab nws 2 tug tub thiaj
mus kawm Vajlugkub thiab los ua Xibhwb rau hauv cov Christian and
Missionary Alliance (C&MA). 2 tug tub, ib tug tiav M.A. in
Theological studies from Columbia Initernational Seminary, ib tug tau
M.A. in Theological Studie from Bethel Seminary, thiab yawg tseem muaj
3 tug tub graduates from University. Vim li no yawg thiaj ua tau
tim khawv li no.


Vajncuab

[yoojyim]

Thaub es...daim duab koj tso tawm, kuv pom thaum kuv tseem yog menyuam
yaus los lawm. Tej no yog XF txoj kev hem (intimidation) kom neeg
tshai es los ntseeg Yexus. Thaum los ntseeg lawm ces XF yuav tau
nyiaj. Tsis muaj dab, tsis muaj Yexus lawm os nawb...txhob tshai. Cov
dab txaus tshai ces yog cov me nkauj hmoob mosX nyob Laos lawm xwb
os...hahaha

Uacas tseem nyob ntawd kos thiab naj...xav tias koj twb ncig nquj
nquas, nuam yaj saib nkauj Hmoob plog lawm xwb no ne.

[cwjmem]

Yawg Tshaj aw,

Cas yuav CEM peb cov niag uas mus Coj Dab Qhuas Mab Dawb ua luaj li
naj?

Koj puas paub hais tias tej no ces yog peb tsis DAG li UB li NO ces,
peb yeej tsis tau peb cov ntseeg 10/100 nyiaj ntawm lawv cov nyiaj
xyoo no los paub. Peb cob xib hwb tub nkeeg li kuv ces kawg yuav los
nrog nej xub company xwb tiag!!!

Koj puas paub hais tias peb siv li 4-6 lub xyoo los kawm dag neeg noj
no los? Mab dawb qhia tom University rau peb nev. Txhob cem peb
nawb, ntawm no yog Mab Dawb qhia peb dag noj dab haus, muab YESUS lub
be los thaiv peb lub ntsej lub muag xwb. Peb yeem txawj dag, yeem
txawj hais ces peb cov xib hwb no yeem muaj neeg coob tuaj koom. Koj
puas paub hais tias nej cov niag coj kev cai dab qhuas "poj ua tseg
yawm ua cia" ntawm ua hauv nws vaj nws tsev xwb no. Es cov poj nrauj,
yawg ntsuag (ntsuag kwvtij) ntawm twb tsis pom qab mus nkag rau qhov
twg, mus ua luag dab los luag twb tsis yuav ne? Lawv thiaj li los
ntawm peb nav, he he he...txhob cem cem peb nawb!!!!

[idonotknow]

yog laud pawg ntseeg muab 10 feem puas tuaj tau ntau no ces mam hais tias cov no yog nyiaj pawg ntseeg muab rau vaj tswv. txais mus nawb. sib zog pov kiag lawm saum ntuj daim twg poob rov los ces yog yawm saub muab rov los rau xib fwb. pawg ntseeg ho ua siab loj pub nyiaj ntau mus txim kho church nawb.

[DownUnder]

Hais npaum twg ;los yeej tsis npaum li cov xijfwb tawv dawb uas luag
yof xijfwb Xtian taig thaib paub txog kev teev Xtain zoo tshaj li
Father Savina thiab Txiv Plig Nyaij Pov (Bertrais) uas yog ob tug
xijfwb mus ntxias cov Hmoob nyob Suav teb thiab Nplog teb kom los coj
dab Xtiam txij xyoo 1907 los. Thaum kawh Savina thiaj los dsau nw phau
ntawv "Histoire of the Miao" uas neej tau piav txog peb Hmoob kev ua
dab ua qhua, kev ntseeg uas yog cov factor ua kom Hmoob ua neeg los
tau 5000 xyoo - tsem ua pab ua pawg.. ua tau ib hais neeg.

Txiv Plig Nyiaj Pov los tib yam... thaum kawg nws tau los kawm txog
Hmoob tek kev coj dab coj qhua ua rau yawg rov qab los pauv siab kom
Hmoob yuav tsum khaws Hmoob tej kev coj no mus lawm yav tomntej... nws
thiaj kom nws cov Hmoob catholic yuav tsum siv kev cai Hmoob los siv
tej lub caij ploj tuag.. kom mua taw kev li Hmob poob koob yawm tswv
tau ua los tau 5000 lawm. Nws thiaj tau pib sau Hmoob tej kevcai txij
xyoobn1970 los txog kev ploj tuag (1200 page), ua tshoob ua kos ,
thiab tswjci ntau yam txog 8 phau ntawv hus tias "Collection
Patrimoine Culturel Hmong".

Qhov tseem ceeb mas Hmoob kev ntseeg 5000 xyoo mas yog kev ntseeg
ua zoo rau kev koom hmoob (communal/familial oriented). Tabsis cov kev
ntseeg Xtiam mas yog kev ntseeg rau YUS TUS KHEEG xwb (Personal
salvation)- kev CHAWM yus tus kheeg. Vim lino, leej twg mus ua Xtiam
lawv ces lawv qhov rub lawv lub siab ces yog lawv lub church thiab
Yesus thiab lawv tig los ua rau lawv TUS KHEEJ xwb, ces ua rau kev ua
kwvtij, ua nej ua tsav tsis mauj nqi lawm.

Lino nws thiaj muaj conflict txog kev yuav ua hmoob vim tias yog yus
ua ib tug Hmoob mas yus yuav tsuj coj siab dav, ua txua yam rau yus
coj pojyawm tswvtxoob, hawm yus niam yus txij thiaj tau ntuj ntoo,
hawm txog yuv coj kwvtij pog yawg uas tau tag sim neej lawm THIAB ua
txua yam to protect yus cov NEXT generation (so we do live life for
the dead, the living and for those yet to be born)... LI thaum ub tsev
Hmoob lauj kiabtoom tseem tuaj ua plaub rau peb tsev neeg vim tias peb
yawg tai coj mus los rau pem-toj Kiabtong lun ntxa, ces nws yuav over
shadow over Kiatong tej me tub menyuam in the generation to come!

Thaum mus ua Xtian lawv, nws tsis yog tso kev teev dab teev qhua xwb
tabsis nws yog kev PAUV UA NEEJ TSHIAB uas yuav coj li Hmoob coj tsis
tau lawm. Nws muaj conflict.. personal salvation VS. a Hmong who live
life for the dead, the living and for those yet to be born.

du

[yawgnomdub]

Hlob YTK aw

Caag koj yuav moog chim heev ua luaj rua tug xf. Txooj Zeb Muas nuav
ua luaj naj? Kuv paub tug xf. txooj zeb muas nuav nyob Toledo, Ohio
mas. Yog koj paub le nwg paub ces koj yeej has le nwg has hab mas
tabsis koj paub dlua ib feem ces koj txhaj has rua lwm feem lawm xwb.

Yog koj muab ua tuab zoo saib ces qhov nwg has yeej yog hab mas vim
thaum peb ua kev cai qub mas dlaab yeej tawm tsaam tuab neeg le ntawm
ntaag hab laiv.

[Yaj Tshaj Koob]

Vaj ncuab,

Koj hais tias......

> Txij hnub uas Xibhwb Txooj Zeb los ntseeg Vajtswv yawg tau zoo nyob,
> zam dhau tej vij sub vij sws. Vim li no nws thiab nws 2 tug tub thiaj
> mus kawm Vajlugkub thiab los ua Xibhwb rau hauv cov Christian and
> Missionary Alliance (C&MA). 2 tug tub, ib tug tiav M.A. in
> Theological studies from Columbia Initernational Seminary, ib tug tau
> M.A. in Theological Studie from Bethel Seminary, thiab yawg tseem muaj
> 3 tug tub graduates from University. Vim li no yawg thiaj ua tau
> tim khawv li no.

Hais li koj cov lus no mas yuav tsum yog cov uas coj kev cai dab qhuas
Hmoob tsi muaj neeg txawj ntawv tsi muaj ib tus Dr. li es yawg Txooj
Zeb Muas no tib tug cov tub ki thiaj kawm tau qhov siab xwb no mas tej
zaum yog li koj hais lawm tiag. Tab sis tuaj txog rau lub teb chaws no
ces leej twg rau siab ntso kawm ces tus ntawd yeej tau, yog tsi muaj
tej laus tuav tej kev cai qub ces tej zaum twb tsi muaj Txooj Zeb Muas
los dag li ntawd. Cov coj qub kev cai tab txawm lawv lub neej hloov
lawm los lawv yeej tsi khav tias lawv lub neej hloov, tus neeg cem
thuam luag tej kev ntseeg li Txooj Zeb nws yog neeg yuam kev lawm, vim
nws mus koom luag lwm tsav neeg li txoj kev ntseeg nws li kheej kev
ntseeg tsi muaj, nws tsi muaj hom phiaj ntawm tus kheej, nws tsuas
muaj hom phiaj lawv kua nkaus xwb, thaum luag txoj kev tws lawm ces
nws txoj kev tws tib yam.

Yoojyim,

Tsi yog tias kuv tsi tau pom dua tej duab ntxias dag ntawd kuv yeej
pom thaum 1964 lawm, tej duab ko ntawd thaum 1700 ntawd cov txiv plig
catholic twb tuaj rau sab Asia Suav teb, lub caij ntawd cov mab dawb
no tau tuaj kawm cov neeg Asia tej kev cai dab qhuas kev ntseeg tias
cov neeg Asia ntseeg li cas. Thaum lawv tuaj noog txog kev ntseeg kev
caiv hauv txoj kev ntseeg ces cov neeg sab Asia thiaj tau hais qhia
rau cov tawv dawb hais tias, peb cov neeg xws li Suav, Kauslim, lawv
thiaj tau piav rau cov tawv dawb hais tias peb cov neeg Asia muaj ib
feem muaj kev caiv tsi pub tej tsiaj qus los tsev, yog tej tsiaj qus
los tsev ces yog siv npog, thaum lawv kawm tag tej kev cai txhij lawm
ces lawv coj rov qab mus rau Fab Kis teb lawm tau ntau xyoo, lawv
thiaj ko cov duab li Txooj Zeb muab hais saum ces lawv coj rov tuaj
tshaj tawm rau cov neeg Suav thiab Kauslim lawv ua ntej tshaj plaws.

Thaum lawv muab yus tej kev cai ntxeev rov coj dag yus mas yus tsi
paub yus tseem qhuas kawg, tab sis qhov tseeb yog lawv muab yus roj
kib yus txha nkaus xwb.

Twb yog tom qab no ua ntej xyoo 1920 ntawd cov Fab kis twb tuaj ntsib
cov Hmoob nyob hauv nplog teb, lawv tau noog cov Hmoob tej kev qab
qhuas Hmoob tau piav los kuj txawv tsi deb Suav thiab Kaulim cov kev
cai ntseeg, thaum lawv kawm tag lawm ces lawv coj mus lawm, ces txog
rau thaum 1949 Fabkis coj rov tuaj thej xab nam rau Hmoob, muab Hmoob
roj kib Hmoob txha, mas Hmoob ntseeg heev, Hmoob thiaj li los coj txoj
kev ntseeg dab qhuas Yesxus rau xyoo 1952 coob heev ces txij thaum
ntawd los Hmoob thiaj pib coj dab Yesxus coob zuj zus los.

DownUnder,

Koj cov Sob Lus Hauv Qab no puav leej yog lawm..

> Hais npaum twg ;los yeej tsis npaum li cov xijfwb tawv dawb uas luag
> yof xijfwb Xtian taig thaib paub txog kev teev Xtain zoo tshaj li
> Father Savina thiab Txiv Plig Nyaij Pov (Bertrais) uas yog ob tug
> xijfwb mus ntxias cov Hmoob nyob Suav teb thiab Nplog teb kom los coj
> dab Xtiam txij xyoo 1907 los. Thaum kawh Savina thiaj los dsau nw phau
> ntawv "Histoire of the Miao" uas neej tau piav txog peb Hmoob kev ua
> dab ua qhua, kev ntseeg uas yog cov factor ua kom Hmoob ua neeg los
> tau 5000 xyoo - tsem ua pab ua pawg.. ua tau ib hais neeg.

> Txiv Plig Nyiaj Pov los tib yam... thaum kawg nws tau los kawm txog
> Hmoob tek kev coj dab coj qhua ua rau yawg rov qab los pauv siab kom
> Hmoob yuav tsum khaws Hmoob tej kev coj no mus lawm yav tomntej... nws
> thiaj kom nws cov Hmoob catholic yuav tsum siv kev cai Hmoob los siv
> tej lub caij ploj tuag.. kom mua taw kev li Hmob poob koob yawm tswv
> tau ua los tau 5000 lawm. Nws thiaj tau pib sau Hmoob tej kevcai txij
> xyoobn1970 los txog kev ploj tuag (1200 page), ua tshoob ua kos ,
> thiab tswjci ntau yam txog 8 phau ntawv hus tias "Collection
> Patrimoine Culturel Hmong".

Txiv plig nyiaj pov tau hais tias yog nws tseem kawm tau Hmoob tej kev
cai khawv koob ua neeb ua yaig txhij thiab mas nws cov bible haj yam
yuav hais tau zoo tshaj ntau npaug ntxiv thiab nws hais li.


Kwv Cwjmem thiab kwv yawgnomdub,

Kuv tsi chim tab sis kuv hais qhov tseeb xwb, txhua yam peb yuav tau
tsi txob qhav yus qhov yuav zoo dua, tsi muaj neeg paub pom qhov tseeb
tsuas yog lub ncauj loj lub siab xav tau li cas hais li ntawd xwb.
Txooj Zeb cov lus tsi muaj tseeb, tab txawm tus Yesxus kiag los tseem
yog ib tug dab loj heev, vim peb pe hawm nws peb tsi pom nws lawm qhov
nov yog peb pe hawm dab yesxus tib yam nkaus.


Every one,

Be careful how you think, your life is shaped by your thoughts, never
say anything that is't true, have nothing to do with lies and
misleading words, look straight ahead with honest confidence; don't
hang your head in shame, plan carefully what you do, and whatever you
do will turn out right, avoid evil and walk straight ahead don't go
one step off the right way. Keep on love another as Hmong brothers
culture, remenber to wecome strangers in your home.


YTK

[kwvtijhmoob]

On Dec 20, 9:15 pm, Vaj Ncuab <vajncu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Txij hnub uas Xibhwb Txooj Zeb los ntseeg Vajtswv yawg tau zoo nyob,
> zam dhau tej vij sub vij sws.

txoj kev sib thuam, peb thuam tau tus neeg uas hais tsis yog thiab
hais dhau li qhov muaj, tab sis peb tsis txhob sib thuam txog ntawm
txoj kev ntseeg (tus xam xaj nam) vim txhua yam xam xaj nam yeej yog
(spiritual imagination) xwb, tab sis txhua yam xam xaj nam nws kuj
muaj nws qhov miracle thiab. kuv hais li no vim kuv twb pom kiag
ntawm qhov muag lawm.

muaj 2 cases example kuv pom.
1. muaj 1 yim hmoob yeej ntseeg vajtswv tau li 20 tawm xyoo lawm.
muaj ib hnub tus tub qhov ntswg ci li los ntshav ces thov vajtswv los
tsis tu, mus hoo maum 2 zaug los lawv tsis paub kho li thiab. thiaj
coj mus rau ib tug txiv neeb ua ib thaj neeb tag rau, ua khawv koob
thiab fiv thov tag rau xwb ces ib chim xwb ces tshav ci li tu nrho
lawm ntag. yim hmoob no rov qab los coj kev cai qub lawm. tam sim no
leej txiv ci li yog ib tug txiv neeb niaj hnub ua neeb noj taub hau
npua lawm xwb.
2. muaj 1 yim hmoob tus niam mob mob qaug txaj plaub hau do tas, niaj
hnub ua neeb rau los tsis zoo, niaj hnub mus saib yaig tias tim ub tim
no, fiv tag thov tag rau los tsis zoo. mus hoo maum los doctor tsis
paub kho li cas li lawm. thaum kawg nkawv hu xib hwb tuaj thov
vajtswv tag rau tau 1-2 hnub xwb ces ci li zoo, ntsej muag rov tshiab
khiv tuaj thiab rov mus ua noj ua haus li qub lawm ces nkawv 2 niam
thiaj mus church lawm.

tej yam zoo li no kuj yog miracle pab tau los ntawm tej xam xaj nam
no.

[tou]

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Pojyaig, nyob hauv SCH cov mov thiab tshua,
Muaj ib hnub kuv hnov ib cov lus hai tias txawm yog koj tseem coj
kevcais qub los yog kevcais tshiab (kev ntseeg) los koj yeej tseem
nyob under ntawm Vajtswv qhov watch but only you see help from
defference spirit xwb. Hahaha cas peb sij yuav sib ceg ua luaj lau,
tuag ces kawg s/d yeej yuav tuaj muab faus xwb lo mas txawm yog coj
dab los ntseeg vajtswv!

[chia]

Tijlaug YTK,

Koj yuav tau ua tib zoo mloog, nws tsis yog thuam ib leeg tug twg, tab
sis nws txhais lub ntsiab ntawd cov neeg teev tus dab xwm kab los yej
rau sawvdaws kom sawvdaws to taub xwb. Kuv ntseeg tias yeej muaj coob
leej lam teev dab xwb tab sis yeej tsis paub txog lub ntsiab teev dab
li thiab os. Vajtswv ces tus yam ntxwv zoo li peb tibneeg ntag nawb
koj mus nyeem nyob hauv Vajluskub (Chivkeeb 1:26). Yexus los tuag
saum tus ntoo khaub lig twb vim yog Vajtswv hlub hlub peb tibneeg
ntiajteb es nws thiaj li tso nws leej tub los tuag theej peb tibneeg
lub txhoj kom peb dim ntawd txoj kev tuag zaum ob.

Peb ntau tus tsis tau to taub txog txojkev tuag zaum ob thiab txojkev
ua neej nyob rau hauv lub ntiajteb no zoo. Kom sawvdaws to taub tias
peb cov ntseeg Vajtswv thiab cov tsis ntseeg Vajtswv los yeej yuav
txawj mob txawj tuag. Tab sis cov ntseeg Vajtswv thaum nws tuag lawm
nws tus ntsuj nplig yuav mus nrog Vajtswv nyob, ho cov tsis ntseeg
thaum nws tuag nws tus ntsuj nplig yuav mus nrog Ntxwg Nyoog nyob.
Txog hnuv Vajtswv los txiav txim nws yuav muab cov ntsuj nplig nrog
Ntxwg Nyoog nyob thiab tus Ntxwg Nyoog pov rau hauv ntuj tawg qhob no
yog qhov yus tuag zaum ob.

Kuv seb tshuav tsis ntev lawm koj yuav los ntseeg Vajtswv yog thaum
koj los ntseeg Vajtswv lawm koj mam li los kawm es paub Vajtswv
txojlus thiaj yog qhov tseeb thiab cawm tau tibneeg txoj kev tuag zaum
ob.

Chia

[Mouatony]

Tijlaug YTK hab ib tsoom bojyaig,



Kev ntseeg hab teevhawm ce zoo le cov kila kws sibtw dhla xwb. Koj los
koj yeej tas koj yuav dhla kom txug tug cam, kuv los yeej khaav quas
ntxhas tas kuv mas yeej yuav dhla kom txug tug cam. Tswvntuj ce zoo le
tug referee, leej twg ua zoo ce tug ntawd tau zoo xwb. Txawm kuv yuav
ntseeg hab proclaim tas kuv mas ntseeg tshaaj mej los qhov ntawd
Tswvntuj tuab leeg txhaj paub xwb nawb.

Kuv naj nub xaav tas yaam twg ua yoojyim hab cobphum ce ua qhov ntawd
nuas xwb tabsi txawm leej twg xaav tas yaam yuav zoo tsua nwg abtsi
teev hab hawm moog. Yuav teev POBXEB POBNTOO, NYUJTWM los OK yog yaam
nwg nyam. Yog yuav ua zoo xaav ce xamxana zoo le tej ZAUBMOV kws peb
naj nub noj nuav xwb. Yaam koj nyam hab yuav zoo tsua yug lub plaab
hab lub cev ce noj, tabsi yaam yuav mob plaab hab noj taag es tshaav
sab sab heev, txawm yuav qaab npaum twg, ce tsum kag.

Muaj ib nub kuv tseem xaav tas yuav tau coj Moob moog ntseeg xamxana
Islam vim yuav hum Moob sab heev vim yuav tau nam yau, at most 4
wives. Tsi taag le kev cai tswjfwm mas nruj heev, tubsaab tub nyag
nyuav muaj tsawg.

Tijlaug YTK, tej kws XF. Txoojzeb Muas has ntawd koj ua tij xob mob
mob sab heev vim yog nwg txuj hauj lwm qhas Vaaj Yexu kev ntseeg es
koj ua tij sab luj nawb vim yug yog nak kassmoos thaum koj tau ua ib
tug Thawj coj lawm tseem yuav muaj ntau yaam tshaaj.

Regards,

MT

[Yaj Tshaj Koob]

On Dec 21, 10:47 am, chia <dawbl...@yahoo.com> wrote:


Kwv Chia,

Tej zaum ko yuav xav tias kuv thiab tsoom Hmoob coj qub kev cai tsi
paub txog qhov lawv teev dab qhuas li no, luag pam xeeb teev lawm luag
yuav paub zoo dua qhov yus paub, thiab tsi tag li ntawd xwb kuv twb
yog ib tus uas nrog nraim cov as caas loj xws li as caas Xeev Pov Thoj
mus rau as Caas Xyu Xub thoj mus rau xibfwb nyiaj neeb hawj uas raug
tsheb muab tsoo tuag lawm, mus rau xibfwb Xuslaus Xyooj mus rau xib
fwb Ntxoov Xeeb Yaj nram xab phas Colorado, thiab lwm tus tsi tuav npe
puav leej yog kuv cov yuag phooj ywg nyob ua ke los ntev lawm los mas,
Bible nqai twg tshooj twg kuv yeej paub pom tag huv si,

> Vajtswv ces tus yam ntxwv zoo li peb tibneeg ntag nawb
> koj mus nyeem nyob hauv Vajluskub (Chivkeeb 1:26). Yexus los tuag
> saum tus ntoo khaub lig twb vim yog Vajtswv hlub hlub peb tibneeg
> ntiajteb es nws thiaj li tso nws leej tub los tuag theej peb tibneeg
> lub txhoj kom peb dim ntawd txoj kev tuag zaum ob.

Tej koj hais los saum yog neeg sau xwb, twb tsi yog Vajtswv sau, peb
leej twg yog tus hnov kiag ntawm pob ntseg kiag tias Vajtswv ntuj hais
cov lus ntawd raunws tus tub los tuag theej neeg ntiaj teb lub
txojmas? yuav tsi muaj neeg hnov li, yog tias Yesxus theej txhoj tau
lawm ces peb tib neeg ntiaj teb yuav tsi txawj tuag lawm mas thiaj
yog, nej puas paub txog tias Hmoob ua neeb theej txhoj yog li cas, kev
Hmoob ua neeb theej txhoj yog muab lwm yam coj los theej txhoj txoj
kev tuag rau lub tsam thawj ntawd, kom tus neeg mob ntawd tsi txhob
tuag rau lub caij uas nws tab tom mob mob nrom siav nroos ntawd kom
ciaj rov los ua neeg nyob ib ntus ntxiv mas thiaj hu tau tias theej
txhoj no.

>............................................. Kom sawvdaws to taub tias

> peb cov ntseeg Vajtswv thiab cov tsis ntseeg Vajtswv los yeej yuav
> txawj mob txawj tuag. Tab sis cov ntseeg Vajtswv thaum nws tuag lawm
> nws tus ntsuj nplig yuav mus nrog Vajtswv nyob, ho cov tsis ntseeg
> thaum nws tuag nws tus ntsuj nplig yuav mus nrog Ntxwg Nyoog nyob.

Qhov koj hais los saum toj no nws yog cov neeg txawj ntse los sau hais
li ntawd kom tib neeg ntiaj teb leej twg ntseeg ces cia siab mus li
ntawd xwb, qhov tseeb tsi muaj neeg pom li, ho muaj leej twg mus pom
saum Vajtswv lub teb chaw thiab dab lub teb chaws rov los hais qhia
rau noob neej paub, ntshe yuav tsi muaj hlo li ntag. Cov duab uas
Txooj Zeb tso tawm tias dab no nej pom zoo li cas, kuv ntsia mas tus
duab zoo li tib neeg ntag tab sis ua lub ncauj thiab qhov muag phem
phem rau xwb, Kuv ntseeg tau tias Tswv ntuj, Yesxus thiab Ntxwj Nyoog
lawv nyob tib lub ntuj.xwb ntag, vim cov ntseeg tswv ntuj los tsi pom
tswv ntuj, cov ntseeg dab qhuas los tsi pom dab qhuas li, pab pawg twg
los xuas qhov ncauj hais hais rau saum ntuj xwb, lub ntuj los kaj nrig
tsi pom leej twg cev tes qhov twg los li. Qhov kuv pom ces coj mus
faus tim roob toj ntxas nkaus xwb, muaj qee lub caij tseem ua dab tuag
hem neeg tom kev tej. Tej kev cai hauv ntiaj teb tsi muaj ib yam yuav
txaus ntseeg tas tas, yam twg los kwv yees nkaus nnkau tas mus lub
neej.

YTK

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[Yaj Tshaj Koob]

Kwv npawg Mouatony,

Koj tej lug puav has tau yog lug taag nrho le lawm, koj yeej yog pum
tau dleb heev lawm ntaag ov, kuv ntseeg tas tug yuav coj tau ib paab
tuab neeg sib xyaw hauj ntsuav ntau yam ua ke tes yuav yog koj ib tug
lawm ntaag.

> Tijlaug YTK, tej kws XF. Txoojzeb Muas has ntawd koj ua tij xob mob
> mob sab heev vim yog nwg txuj hauj lwm qhas Vaaj Yexu kev ntseeg

Txuj kev has lug muaj ntau kws peb yuav tshaaj tawm Vajtswv cov lug,
peb tsi txhob muab tej duab kws yog luas le ndlag tug coj lug tso le
ntawd has lug thuam rau, yog cov coj kev cai qub sab tsi luj ces puab
muab kag cov duab kws yawg tso Hmoob ua neeb hab kev hu plig tej ntawd
coj lug xyuam phaaj "sue rau court" tes kawg Txooj Zeb yuav tau poob
nyaj ntau rua cov yawm kws dhla dhla ua neeb huv yawm qhov post ntaag
nawb.


YTK

[cwjmem]

Bawg MT,

Koj yeej has yog kawg le lawm nawb. Kuv tub has tas muaj le 150+
dlaab qhuas kws tuab neeg nyob rua blaj teb nuav teev hab hawm. Ib
txuj kev ntseeg twg yeej tsis zoo tshaaj ib txuj. Qhov kws tuab neeg
tseem ntseeg ntawm tes yeej lug paab tau puab hab puab txhaj le tsis
muab laim tseg. Yus ntseeg yaam twg lawm sob thuam tuab neeg kws
ntseeg lwm txuj kev ntseeg. Puab yuav nyam tog tseej nub kom tug nyuj
sawv es puab maam le moog le Indians lo yog puab txuj kev ntseeg.

Ho moog ua MUSLIM lawm los yeej zoo hab, taab tsis sob moog muab blaum/
luj tej es dla moog rua cov tuab neeg nyob coob es rub kag txhuj hlua
tes tawg kag tuab neeg tua coob le lawm paab Muslim xwb tes tau lawm.
Yog coj ncaaj, naim txiv faaj tim huab tais ntuj yeej muaj qhov muas
saib yug.

Yawg Tshaj,

Tus XF no hais li no los yog nws hais kom cov neeg ruam, poj nrauj,
neeg tsis muaj kawv muaj tij, neeg tsis paub dab los koom nws xwb.
Yeem hais heev yeem muaj nyiaj li cov suav ntxias luam xwb mas. Koj
saib XF txawj Vag Koos ne, mus Church tua teeb mas yawg niam nrov tau
ib me ntu thiab laiv. Ua li yawg XF txawj vag no yeej "serve" tau peb
cov nkauj nrab thiab nraug tso ntau leej lawm nawb. Koj saib ma, tam
sim no tsis muaj tej Church no ces Hmoob rov qab mus nrhiav tej nyuag
Zaub mos noj tag tim blog lawm laiv.

Koj thiab kuv yeej paub zoo hais tias tus xib hwb no ua ntxias nyiaj
xwb, yam nws hais ntawm tsis raug, tsis yog dab tsi. Nws XEV xwb.
Koj sim kom nws tuaj nrog koj los kuv peb sib CAM/DEBATE rau saum sam
thiaj noj peb caug meb, nws yeej tsis kam tuaj li tiag. Tej no ces
tus XF no dag noj dab haus xwb. Txhob cem no thiab vim nws mus kawm
tawm los ntawm kev dag noj dab hauv nyob rau American
University...Meka qhia li ntawm nev...

Cov mus coj mab dawb cov dab qhuas, kuv twb pom ntau cases uas cov
tuag mus tsis tau es niaj hmo los phov tais diav, bau suav los thov
nyiaj, los qhia tias tshaib tshaib plab tsis muaj dab tsi noj li no
laiv.

Dab quas Hmoob yog ua raws li poj ua tseg yawm ua cia nawb. Cov ciaj
take care cov tuag txog ntawm sab dag zog (physical), ho cov tuag take
care cov ciaj txog ntawm ntsuj plig (spiritual). Peb Hmoob coj dab
quas Hmoob los tau 5K xyoo lawm. Yeej pab tau peb peb thiaj tsis tso
tseg hov. Niam txiv faj tim huab tais ntuj yeej qhia peb haiv neeg ib
puas tsav yam los cawm peb cov neeg, taw kev rau tus tuag mus cuag
nws, kab tshoob kev kos, neeb yaig (los tshoj, tsi ua mas tsis tau
li), tshuaj ntsuab thaib lwm yam. Txhob cia tej nyuag neeg dag noj
dag hais li tus XF no los ntxias tau Hmoob noj Hmoob haus lawm. Yog
peb tsis mus lawm ces, thaum kawg yeej tig rov los coj dab xwb. Koj
sim saib meb, peb cov niag Doctors, lawyers, thaib tub lag luam los
yeej kawg rov los nrhiav Hmoob xwb thiaj yuav tau noj tau haus.

[vaajmoob]

YTK es, yawh xibfwb nua ces tsi muaj quav dlaab tsi le og, ruam le
ruam nwg yeej yog tawg puj moob lub pim lug tsi taag le ntawg xwb
tseem naj nub aim peb cov puj moob vaaj lub pim los mas,yog xaam pum
ces moog yawg nyob st.paul niv,nwg tub tsi yog pe vaajtswv xwb thaum
twg moog noj peb tug muam lub pim ces pe lawm,nwg pe vaajtswv ib
abthiv twg ib zag,tabsi pe peb cov muam moob vaaj lub pim ib mog ib
zag,vmged

On Dec 20, 8:04 pm, Yaj Tshaj Koob <mutant_l...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[lha]

On Dec 20, 8:04 pm, Yaj Tshaj Koob <mutant_l...@yahoo.com> wrote:

YTK,

Tsis yog nco nco kuv li es xav nrog kuv tham dua lov? Tejzaum koj pom
kuv tuaj es xav xav nrog kuv sib txuas lus es lam muab tej no los tham
xwb. Muaj dab tsi los kavtsij piav tuaj. Vam haistias koj thiab cwj
neb kawm tau yam puav los ntawm Xf. Txooj Zeb.

lha

[dony]

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Cov phoojywg,

Kwvtijhmoob thiab MouaTony nkawv twwb teb nej sawvdaws me ntsis lawm
thiab tab sis kuv los yeej share the same/similar philosophy li
nkawv. Tab sis nej tus puav muab hais sab tus xib hwb ntawd thiab
tseem hais tawm tsam cov ntseeg in general. Yog nej yog cov neeg tsis
paub qab paub hau ces kuv yuav tsis teb. Tab sis nej coob tus yeej
yog cov muaj hom phiaj yuav coj kom peb Hmoob muaj kev haum xeeb, kev
ncaj ncees, vaj huam sib luag thiab sis saib taus kom mus cuag Hmoob
kev Npua Suav Ciaj Haiv. Tsis tas li tseem yuav tsis coj phem li cov
qub nom qub tswv dhau los. Tab sis thaum kuv nyeem nej tej lus tag ua
rau kuv poob siab, qaug zog thiab muaj kev cia siab me dua qub.

Tseeb tiag tus xibhwb ntawd muab cob duab los qhia ces yeej yog ib qho
hnyav rau peb cov tseem coj kab lis kev cai qub. Tab sis nyob lub teb
chaws no sawvdaws muaj freedom of speech. Tus xibhwb no muaj cai qhia
li nws qhia tab sis yog peb pom hais tias nws qhia tau yam tsis raws
txoj kev txoj cai los yog insulted peb ib co kev ntseeg lawm peb muaj
cai sau ntawv mus rau Koom Haum Hmoob, Hmong District Office, kom lawv
nrog muab coj los nrog xav nrog xyuas. Yog peb cia li cem qhov dev
qhov npua lawm xwb ces peb yeej zoo tsis txawv tus XF. ntawd thiab.

Tij laug Pov...ntawd koj hais tias cov ntseeg Vajtswv lawv tsuas xav
txog lawv tus kheej xwb no mas kuv disagree nrog koj tus ua tij. Koj
puas tau nrog peb cov ntseeg vajntswv nyob ua ke ntau? Kuv xav hais
tias koj twb nyob ze XF. Lis Muas thiab ne,ua li yawg ho coj li cas?
Txhua yam kev ntseeg yeej muaj ib txhia too extreme thiab las mas.
Cov Christians los yeej muaj tus phem tus zoo thiab cov tsis ntseeg
los yeej muaj tus phem tus zoo.

Yog hais tau ntau thiab hnyav rau nej leej twg no los thov zam txim
nawb....Dony

[vaajmoob]

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Dony es dony, pov has yog lawm ov,tejzag mej cov lawb neej es tsi yog
lawb dlaab yuav pum dlua ib yaam, koj puag tau nov cov kwvtij moob es
coj kevcai qub has ib zag has tas "Ua tsaug tsua peb cov tsi tau lawb
dlaab xwb nua maj" kuv naj nub noj cov kwvtij moob lawb neej has tas
"Ua tsaug tsua peb cov ntseeg" tabsi 1/2 cov nyob huv yog kwvtij
neejtsaa cov es tseem coj kevcai qub,xaav zoo ov,vmged

[Tony]

On Dec 21, 12:39 pm, Yaj Tshaj Koob <mutant_l...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Qhov kuv pom ces coj mus faus tim roob toj ntxas nkaus xwb, muaj qee lub caij tseem ua dab tuag hem neeg tom kev tej. Tej kev cai hauv ntiaj teb tsi muaj ib yam yuav txaus ntseeg tas tas, yam twg los kwv yees nkaus nnkau tas mus lub neej.
>
> YTK

Yaj Tshaj Koob,

Koj has ntau yaam heev rua huv nuav, qhov kawg, koj puas paub txug sob
lug kws koj has sau toj nuav?

Tuabneeg has rua sau neej, saab nqajtawv, ces yeej yog pum ntawm
qhovmuag txhaj le ntseeg. Ntawm pebMoob hab lwm haiv tuabneeg kws
xaav le peb xaav ces yog lub sab. Nwg nuav peb paub meej lawm hastas
lub sab yog lub paajhlwb. Nwg tsi yog lub plawv kws xaa ntshaav moog-
moog lug-lug rua huv peb lub cev. (Cov tuabneeg Greek thau u los yeej
xaav tuabyaam le ntawd hab)

Meskas lub neej taamsim nuav kws yog has txug yug tugkheej
(individualism) los yeej has txug yug lub sab tuabyaamnkaus hab.
Tamsis, peb paub lawm hastas, nwg tsi yog lub plawv. Nwg yog txuj
kevxaav (mind). Muab has le txuj kev tshawb, kawm, losyog taug le
noob neej txuj kev xaav (psychology), nwg yog tugkheej (self). Muab
has txug txuj kevntseeg, nwg poob moog rua huv tug ntsujplig lawm
(soul).

Mind, self, soul are one and the same. Qhov txawv yog peb tuabneeg
xaav (mind) txawv le cov tuabneeg kawm (self), hab tsi thooj le yaamm
kws lub qhovmuag tsi pum (soul). Tamsis, peb yeej paub hastas peb
yaam ntawm kws yog tuab tug losyog tuab yaam xwb kws ua num rua peb
ntu rua ntawm peb lub neej. Nwg muaj xws le peb txuj kev xaav
(thought), peb txuj kev ntseeg (belief), hab peb lub neej
(experience).

Yog peb saib ntau rua ntawm lub neej (experience) xwb ces peb yeej
pawv-av (missing) txuj kev xaav hab txuj kev ntseeg. Ntawm txuj kev
ntseeg hab kev xaav los yeej moog zoo tuabyaam le lub neej hab.

Qhov kws tug xf ntawd qha (nwg siv lub neej (Hmong experience) hab kev
xaav (mind) lug qha kuas cov lawbdlaab pum tshaab moog rua saab
ntsujplig. Yuav muab has le Meskas has, nwg siv psychology kws taug
saibseb pebMoob lub neej hab txuj kev xaav coj, nyob, hab noj zoo le
caag le 5000 xyoo lug lawm. Yog hastas peb xaav tau txujsa ntevdlawv
moog ibtxhis (in the realm of the spirit) ces npaaj hab ca-sab rua
txuj kev ntseeg. Txuj kev ca-sab ntawd muab tau txuj kev tsi ntshai
dlaab ntawd rua tug tuabneeg kws ibtxwm ntshai dlaab. (Yeej muaj
tseeb le koj has ntawd mas. Tuag ces coj moog faus rua tom tojntxaas
xwb. Qhov txawv ntawm cov ntseeg - paub txuj kev ntseeg ntawd - tsi
ntshai dlaab lawm. Puab zoo-sab hastas thaus lub cev qaug, tug
ntsujplig moog rua Vaajtswv nyob. Vaajtswv tsi yog tuabneeg, nwg yog
Ntsujplig es peb lub qhovmuag txhajle tsi pum.)

Tug ntsujplig kws peb tsi pum tamsis, nov, paub, hab totaub rua huv
nruabsab (meskas hastas in spirit) ces yog tug Ntsujplig kws cov
ntseeg hastas Vaajtswv. Tug kws koj hsstas "ntshai" ntawd yog tug
ntsujtsaus kws koj tsi pum tamsis, nov, paub, hab totaub hastas nwg
yuav tsimtxom yug ces koj hu nwg ua Dlaab. Thaus koj muab tej
ntsujplig (tug zoo tug phem) hu ua dlaab, ces txawm yog Vaajtswv kas
log yeej yog dlaab rua koj xwb.

[Vaj Ncuab]

Vaajmoob;


Vaajmoob nis Vaajmoob Xwbfwb Txooj Zeb Muas quaspuj tsis yog nkauj
Moob Vaaj, yawm quaspuj yog nkauj Moob Yaaj hab yog Col. Neej Yis Yaaj
pluab cov muam. Xwbfwb Txooj Zeb yog ib tug Xwbfwb cev Vajtswv lus
ces yawg yuav hais li yawg muaj feem xyuam. Ly Tou zoo nraug (Ly Tou
FAG) yog txiv qeej, yog txiv qhuab ke hab yog txiv coj xaiv ces yawg
yuav ua le yawm yog txiv qhuab ke, le yog txiv qeej hab hais le yog
xaiv. Xf. Txooj Zeb hais mas thiaj yuav coj tau Yaajtshajkoob hab
Vaajmoob lug ntseeg Vaajtswv. Thov Vaajtswv foom koob hmoov rua koj.


Merry Christmas & Happy new Year


Vajncuab

[Yaj Tshaj Koob]

On Dec 21, 1:06 pm, cwjmem <cwj...@hotmail.com> wrote:


Kwv Cwjmem,

Qhov loj ces yog li koj cov lus hauv qab no lawm, lwm yam uas yuav ua
kom zoo tshaj qhov kev ntxias nyiaj mas tsi muaj,

> Koj thiab kuv yeej paub zoo hais tias tus xib hwb no ua ntxias nyiaj
> xwb, yam nws hais ntawm tsis raug, tsis yog dab tsi. Nws XEV xwb.
> Koj sim kom nws tuaj nrog koj los kuv peb sib CAM/DEBATE rau saum sam
> thiaj noj peb caug meb, nws yeej tsis kam tuaj li tiag.

Peb cov coj qub kev cai mas peb ua yam twg peb hais yam ntawd xwb, peb
tsi tau vuag toj vuag peg kom yus lub plhu loj kom yus tau tau ntsej
muag li cov xib fwb ua no, peb cov coj dab qhuas peb cem dab xwb peb
tsi cem neej.

>............................................................... Peb Hmoob coj dab

> quas Hmoob los tau 5K xyoo lawm. Yeej pab tau peb peb thiaj tsis tso
> tseg hov.

Yog lawm, piv li ib tus tib neeg ua luam, yog tias nws mus ua luam
muag zaub thiab khoom noj txoj peb zaug puav leej poob peev tib si tsi
tau noj ces kawg tso tseg lawm, yam uas yus tsi tso tseg ces yog pab
tau yus thiab zoo rau yus lawm thiaj tso tsi taus tseg.

Vaajmoob,

Koj has le huv qaab nuav tas.....

> YTK es, yawh xibfwb nua ces tsi muaj quav dlaab tsi le og, ruam le
> ruam nwg yeej yog tawg puj moob lub

Kuv ntseeg tas ruam kawg txhaj has tej lug ntawd, le koj has los mas
tsi yog lawb dlaab ho yog lawb neej, koj twb paub tas Hmoob tej txiv
xaiv txiv qeej puab yeej tsi tshev cov coj dlaab qhuas Yesxus hlo le
ov, puab tshuab qeej tshev dlaab, has nkauj tshev dlaab, txhua yaam
tsuas tshev dlaab nkaus xwb, ho cov coj dlaab Yesxus ces tab cem peb
tshev peb cov coj qub kev cai tag le xwb nav, tog has tas kuv ho muab
coj lug has rua huv nuav naj. Hab cov lug koj teb kwv Dony hauv qaab
nuav yog lawm.

> Dony es dony, pov has yog lawm ov,tejzag mej cov lawb neej es tsi yog
> lawb dlaab yuav pum dlua ib yaam, koj puag tau nov cov kwvtij moob es
> coj kevcai qub has ib zag has tas "Ua tsaug tsua peb cov tsi tau lawb
> dlaab xwb nua maj" kuv naj nub noj cov kwvtij moob lawb neej has tas
> "Ua tsaug tsua peb cov ntseeg" tabsi 1/2 cov nyob huv yog kwvtij
> neejtsaa cov es tseem coj kevcai qub,xaav zoo ov,vmged

Kwv Dony,

Koj hais li hauv qab no tias..

>......Tab sis nej tus puav muab hais sab tus xib hwb ntawd thiab

> tseem hais tawm tsam cov ntseeg in general. Yog nej yog cov neeg tsis
> paub qab paub hau ces kuv yuav tsis teb. Tab sis nej coob tus yeej
> yog cov muaj hom phiaj yuav coj kom peb Hmoob muaj kev haum xeeb,

Kuv ntseeg hais tias Txooj zeb hais cov lus saum mas yuav raug nej cov
coj dab qhuas Yesxus siab heev lawm, vim tias Txooj zeb tau hais tias
"peb Hmoob cov uas tseem nyob hauv dab lub xib tes mas lub siab dub
nciab, dab muab lub qhov muag tshum dig lawm thiaj tsi paub Vajtswv"
cov lus no puas siv tau puas yog lus, puas hais lus li tus neeg paub
tab, cov lus Txooj Zeb hais no yog leej twg tsi paub nws los lus ntawd
mob thiab tsi mob lawm ces txhais tau tias yog neeg npub dhau tsi paub
qab hau hlo li lawm!!! Thiab nws tseem hais ntxiv tias tus xwm kab yog
Hmoob teev ib tug dab uas nyob hauv peb lub siab yuav los noj thiab
tseem coj ntau tus dab los noj peb lub cuab lub yig, TEJ LUS YAWG HAIS
NO PUAS SIV TAU PUAS YOG LUS YUAV HAIS TAU LI NTAWD RAU COV COJ QUB
KEV CAI?

Ua li ne? txoj kev mus church kev tso nyiaj 1/10 thiab ho tso nyiaj
rau hauv lub hnab LOS SIS LUB PHAJ uas coj los thov nyiaj NCIG ROOJ
txhua txhua 7 hnub twg ib zaug TXOJ KEV UA LI NO PUAS YOG DAB XYOB
TXHIAJ YESXUS LOS NOJ LOS NKAG RAU HAUV NWS LUB SIAB LUB TSEV LAWM
THIAB ES THIAJ LI LOS NOJ SAWV DAWS COV NTSEEG VAJTSWV TEJ NYIAJ TXHUA
TXHUA ASTHIV LI !!! tus neeg uas poob nyiaj txhua txhua asthiv 7 hnub
twg poob ib zaug ntawd yog DAB XYOB TXHIAJ NKAG RAU HAUV NWS LUB SIAB
LAWM THIAJ LOS NOJ NWS THIAJ POOB NYIAJ LI NTAWD TAS LUB NEEJ, raws li
Hmoob txoj kev ntseeg.

> Tij laug Pov...ntawd koj hais tias cov ntseeg Vajtswv lawv tsuas xav
> txog lawv tus kheej xwb no mas kuv disagree nrog koj tus ua tij.

Dr. Pao Thao hais yog lawm, yawg cov lus yeej hais tau yog thiab siv
tau mus nruab nrab lawm ntag ov.

TonyVaaj,

Koj has ntau heev taab kuas kuv muab koj cov lus miv miv nuav cov lus
teb koj xwb, koj has tas..

> Qhov kws tug xf ntawd qha (nwg siv lub neej (Hmong experience) hab kev
> xaav (mind) lug qha kuas cov lawbdlaab pum tshaab moog rua saab
> ntsujplig.

Txuj kev qha kom pum moog rua saab ntsuj plig mas muaj kev ntau kws
yuav has, yuav tsi muab luag le kev cai dab qhuas coj lug has le hov
ntawd, qhov tug xf has ntawd yog nws yuav ua rua kom cov coj qub kev
cai ntshai es kom puab lug lawb neej kom coob rua nwg xwb, Txooj Zeb
tau has tas xwm kaab los yej muab cov coj qub kev cai lub qhov muag
tshaum dlig lawm, yog puab lub qhov muag dlig lawm nua ntshe puab yuav
tog cov coj dlaab Yesxus ua rua puab noj xwb mas txhaj yog le txooj
zeb has, tab si peb twb pum coj coj Hmoob, cov muaj noj muaj hau hauv
Hmoob lub neej puav leej tseem yog cov coj Hmoob li kev cai qub nkaus
thiab xwb, cov coj qub kev cai yog los tseeem yog "Leaders tas li, ho
cov coj yesxus puav leej tseem yog cov follower tas li" raws li kuv
lub qhov muag pom, puas yog li kuv hais no thiab?


VajNcuab,

Koj hais piv txwv rau hauv qab no tsi yog lawm....

> Xwbfwb Txooj Zeb yog ib tug Xwbfwb cev Vajtswv lus
> ces yawg yuav hais li yawg muaj feem xyuam. Ly Tou zoo nraug (Ly Tou
> FAG) yog txiv qeej, yog txiv qhuab ke hab yog txiv coj xaiv ces yawg
> yuav ua le yawm yog txiv qhuab ke, l

Txoj kev cev lus tsi yog hais li yawg hais ntawd, txoj kev cev Vajtswv
cov lus tau hais tias kom nej cov ntseeg yuav tau txawj zam txim paub
hais lus saib tau cov tsi tau los ntseeg thiab yuav tau hlub cov uas
tsi tau paub Vajtswv cov lus qhuab qhia, nej yuav tau hlub nej tus
yeeb ncuab, tus yeeb ncuab yog dab tsi? tus yeeb ncuab yog tus uas tsi
tau paub vajtswv thiab tus uas tseem tawm tsam yus txoj kev ntseeg ces
yog yeeb ncuab xwb nej leej twg puas paub txog vajtswv tej lus kuv
hais no? Yog nej hais saib tsi taus lwm tus ces yog nej hais saib tsi
taus vajtswv lawm.

Cov txiv xaiv li Ly Tou zoo nraug lawv tsi hais lus cem Yesxus hlo li
lawv tuaj hais raws li txoj kev tuag, lawv tuaj txheeb tus neeg tuag
lub neej thiab cev lus sawv cev tus neeg tuag rau tsev xyom cuab nkaus
nkaus xwb, tsi tau hais ib lo lus txog cov coj dab qhuas Yesxus li.
Tsuas pom cov coj Yesxus mas tab hais txog cov coj qub kev cai tas li,
tej li hais no muaj tseeb.

lha,

tsi yog li koj hais os, kuv twb paub tias koj swb kuv lawm, tab txawm
rov nrau dua li tej nyuj los kawg koj yuav rov swb dua xwb mas, zaum i
kuv muab vajlugkub hais nug koj xwb koj twb tsi teb kuv ne, koj hais
tias vajlugkub ces peb twb paub tag lawm koj yuav tsi teb kuv cov lus
nug, koj hais li ntawd koj twb hnov qab koj cov lus lawm los? koj xav
teb kuv cov lus noog los koj ntshai tsam tsi raug raws li hauv
Vajlugkub ces koj thiaj tsi teb kuv mas yog li no, nyaj koj yuav paub
qhov kuv hais no zoo.

YTK

[vaajmoob]

vaajncuab es, yawg xf nuav tug quaspuj yog yaajncuab tas tsi yog
vaajncuab,ua tsaug,nyob zoo xyooj tshab tsua koj hab,vmged

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[Yaj Tshaj Koob]

Ib tsoom npoj yaig,

Kuv yuav tshaj tawm kev cai ntseeg Hmoob dab qhuas li nram no, lawv li
Txooj Zeb Muas tau ntsaj tawm hais los saum

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Daim duab saum toj no yog cov ntseeg Yesxus lub neej, txhua txhua yim
neeg Hmoob uas ntseeg Yesxus thiab tau ncau mus ua ib yim neej lawm
uas nyob thoob lub ntiaj teb yuav tsum muaj yesxus daim duab no nyob
rau hauv nws lub tsev, cov ntseeg Yesxus lawm mas lub siab dub nciab
tsaus nti, vim muaj yesxus nyob rau hauv lawv lub siab, yesxus muab
tus uas ntseeg yesxus lub qhov muag tshum dig lawm ua rau lawv thiaj
tsi pom kev paub pe hawm txog poj yawm txwv txoob tus uas muaj lub
meej mom kav noob neej Hmoob txoj kev ua dab qhuas, yog leej twg
ntseeg tus dab yesxus no nyob rau hauv nws lub tsev lawm mas tus dab
yesxus no yuav coj ntau tus dab xyob txhiaj los nrog nws ntaim noj
ntaim haus ntawm tus uas ntseeg yesxus ntawd, txhua txhua pluas mov
noj thiaj li hu tuav yesxus npe, thiab thiaj li poob nyiaj 1/10, 7
hnub twg tseem poob nyiaj ib zaug rau hauv church ib lub hlis twg poob
4 zaug nyiaj tas lub neej, qhov no vim yesxus yog ib tus dab xyob
txhiaj loj kawg nkaus nyob rau hauv cov ntseeg yesxus lub neej.

Cov lus hais los saum yog kuv hais raws li Txooj Zeb Muas cov lus tig
rov qab xwb nej sim mloog seb puas zoo mloog thiab? thiab puas tsim
nyog hais li ntawd?


YTK

[Mouatony]

Tijlaug YTK,


Yexu mas nwg ntse nwg yeej paub lawm has tas xamxana mas yuav tsum
muaj politic xwb xwb, yog le luas txhaj siv lus lug kws has tas " koj
yuav moog cuag Vaaj Leej Txiv tau yuav tsum moog ntawd kuv moog". Koj
yuav ua kom tau koob moov hab yog ib tug ntseeg tag kom yuav tsum coj
kuv cov lug moog qhas tsua tuab neeg nplajteb. Peb Moob ce ruam ruam
ce yug tseem muab yug CUAB kwvtij cai ua ntau ntau tug dlaab. Koj tuag
tsi tau huv kuv tsev, kuv tuag tsi tau huv koj tsev, naj nubnuas ce
peb Moob kuj tuag tau nrug pejkum haiv tuab lub tsev hab tseem paam
tau tuab lub tsev. Yug Moob tsi paub cais ce yaam tsi pum ce muab hu
ua DLAAB taag nro, yaam pum txhaj hu ua NEEJ nuas xwb. Peb Moob yuav
tsum tau lug txhab txhai kom meej dlua qub, tseem tshuav tug DLAAB zoo
ne tug ntawd yog Vaaj Ntsuj Plig es peb xob muab hu ua DLAAB lawm.

Qhov tseeb tag XF. Txoojzeb interprete kom meej es cas dlaab nyob
dlaab, neej nyob neej hab Vaaj Ntsuj Plig nyob Vaaj Ntsuj plig.
Xamxana Christian mas tseem zoo nwg tshev cov tseem coj dlaab xwb
tabsi peb cov kwvtij coj Xamxana Islam se tsi yog tshev nawb TUA KAG
POV TSEG hab SUICIDAL XWB OS.

Ua sab luj luj vim peb ntau leej hu nuav twb naj nub has txug HAIV
xwb, yog nak kaasmoos lawm se yuav tau ua sab nak kasmoos laid tsi le
ntawd mej tej kaasmoos los yuav swb vim yog yug sab miv miv. Peb ua
nak kaasmoos mas thaum nyob lub community kws yog Christian yuav tsum
paub thov ntuj los thov Vaajtswv, thaum nyob lub community qub kev cai
yuav tsum kawg tsua txujkev fiv yeej yog thaum yuav tuag.

XF. Txoojzeb Muas se nwg has tsua Christian saab xwb nawb vim nwg tsi
yog nak kaasmoos Moob hos nwg yog nak kasmoos tsua saab Vaaj Ntsuj
Plig lawm.

Has le nuav xwb es ca lwm zag peb maam thaam ntxiv.

Regards,

MT

[chia]

Nyob zoo tij laug YTK,

Kev sib cas txog ntawd kev ntseeg ces txawm cas npaum li cas los tsis
paub tag koj zag xaus kuv ib zag tuaj ces ua mus ua los xwb. Tab sis
cia kuv nug koj thiab cwjmem neb ob peb questions raws li nram qab no.

1) Koj tau hais tias nej cov ntseeg dab yeej paub dab zoo no, Dab caj
ceg ncau qhov twg los thiaj ua rau koj ntseeg?

2) Dab tus Tswv yog leej twg? Leej twg thiaj li yuav rau txim tau
rau Dab?

3) Koj teev Dab tab sis yog koj cia pom dab no koj puas ntshai?

4) Tus Poj thiab tus Yawg twg yog tus teev tej dab ua rau koj muaj
kev cia siab?

5) Dab yog tus tsim tibneeg los yog Vajtswv(Tswvntuj)? Yog tias
Vajtswv Ntuj ua tus tsim tibneeg ua cas koj ho tsis ntseeg tus tsim
koj tawm los ho mus ntseeg tus Dab ua yog koj tus yeeb ncuab?

6) Lub ntiajteb no yog leej twg ua tus tsim?

Txhua yam uas muaj nyob hauv lub ntiajteb no puav leej yog Vajtswv
ntiag tug vim nws ua tus tsim. Peb tibneeg khaw tej nyiaj tej kub
puas tsav yam nyob hauv lub ntiajteb no coj los siv puav leej yog
Vajtswv tug tag nrog kom nej to taub li ntawd. Dab tsuas ua tau tswv
tau rau tej yam ua yus hu dab los ua thiab los nyob rau ntawd xwb.

Chia

[Yaj Tshaj Koob]

On Dec 22, 10:14 am, chia <dawbl...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Tus kwv Chia,


Kuv hais rau koj tias nej cov ntseeg dab qhua Yesxus to taub yuam kev
deb heev ntawm Hmoob txoj kev teev dab qhuas. Kuv twb tau hais ib zaug
rau hauv SCH no lawm tias dab muaj muaj coob muaj ntau tus dab kuv
yuav tsi piav kuv tsuas piav 3 yam dab loj uas tshwm sim rau lub ntiaj
teb no, xws li..

1). Tus dab ib no yog tus uas thaum Yawm Saub tsim tau lub ntiaj teb
tag lawm ces tsim noob xyoob noob ntoo nroj tsuag tsiaj puas tsav yam
tag ces thiaj tsim noob neej tshwm sim rau lub ntiaj teb, noob neej
tau ua neej los txog thaum uas muaj Txiv Nraug Luj Tub, thiab niam
nkauj Ntxhi Civ nkawd ob niam txiv thiaj sib sau ua lub neej thiaj
muaj tub muab hu ua Nyoog, thaum loj tiav txim lawm txawm yuav nyab
rau muab tis npe hu ua Ntxwj Nyoog, Ntxwj Nyoog nkawd thiaj li xeeb
tau ib lub qe dab, thaum cov dab no dhau los thiaj los noj tib neeg
ntiaj teb. Cov dab no peb hu ua dab txeeg dab qus.

2). Tus dab ob yog lwm yam tib neeg uas tsi yog Hmoob caj ces uas tuag
lawm, tab sis tseem tshuav tus ntsuj plig dab nyob nrog lub ntiaj teb,
tus no yog dab txeeg dab qustib yam.

3). Tus dab peb yog Hmoob caj ces poj yawm txwv txoob cov uas xub xub
xeeb txawm rau hauv lub ntiaj teb thiab Hmoob niam thiab txiv uas yug
Hmoob xws li kuv thiab koj niam thiab txiv, tus no peb hu ua dab nyeg
dab niam dab txiv, tus no yog tus uas Hmoob teev hawm vim muaj nws
thiaj muaj yus lub taub hau.

Kom koj to taub tias Hmoob tsi tau teev dab qus li nej cov uas teev
yesxus, yesxus tsi yog Hmoob caj ces, Hmoob hais lus rau nws yuav tsi
hnov vim nws tsi paub koj kuv peb cov lus Hmoob. Hmoob tej kev cai
qub mas Hmoob cem tej dab qus uas tsi yog Hmoob caj ces heev, Hmoob
yeej tsi teev dab qus ib zaug, tej uas Hmoob teev tiam yog Hmoob niam
Hmoob txiv, Hmooj poj yawm xwb.

Koj cov lus nug nqai 1-6 no tsi muaj ab tsi tseem ceeb nyob hauv pes
tsawg.

> 1) Koj tau hais tias nej cov ntseeg dab yeej paub dab zoo no, Dab caj
> ceg ncau qhov twg los thiaj ua rau koj ntseeg?

Kuv twb hais qhias nqai 1-3 saum rau koj paub tias yog dab tsi lawm.

> 2) Dab tus Tswv yog leej twg? Leej twg thiaj li yuav rau txim tau
> rau Dab?

Ntxwj Nyoog yog tus yug tau lub qe dab tsi muab hlawv thiaj daug los
thiaj noj tib neeg ntiaj teb, tsi muaj leej twg rau txim tau rau dab
hlo li tab txawm yog Vajtswv los yeej rau tsi tau txim rau dab li ntag
ntiaj teb thiaj muaj dab.

> 3) Koj teev Dab tab sis yog koj cia pom dab no koj puas ntshai?

Kev teev dab yog teev dab yeg xwb tsi tau teev dab qus, thiab tsi muaj
leej twg yuav pom dab li raws li loj hlob los laus li no.

> 4) Tus Poj thiab tus Yawg twg yog tus teev tej dab ua rau koj muaj
> kev cia siab?

Tsi muaj pog yawg leej twg yuav teev tej dab uas koj xav tias Hmoob
teev ntawd li koj xav tau rau qhov xu deb heev ntawm qhov kev Hmoob
hawm dab qhuas lawm.

> 5) Dab yog tus tsim tibneeg los yog Vajtswv(Tswvntuj)? Yog tias
> Vajtswv Ntuj ua tus tsim tibneeg ua cas koj ho tsis ntseeg tus tsim
> koj tawm los ho mus ntseeg tus Dab ua yog koj tus yeeb ncuab?

Kuv ntseeg tias koj yuav tsi pom paub Vajtswv yog zoo li cas, kuv
tsuas paub tias tej laus ib txheej hais rau ib txheej tias tib neeg
yog Yawm Saub tsim tawm los xwb, ho tsi paub txog vajtswv li koj hais.
Koj cov lus nug yog cov qub mus mus los los xwb, tus dab qus Hmoob
yeej tsi teev tiam nws. qhov tsi ntseeg vajtswv vim tsi paub vajtswv
lub npe ho yog los qhov twg los es ho hu ua vajtswv, leej twg ho yog
tus tis lub npe ntawd rau thiab yuav tsi muaj neeg paub tus tis lub
npe vajtswv yog leej twg.

> 6) Lub ntiajteb no yog leej twg ua tus tsim?

Yawm saub tsim xwb los mos. Hmoob tseem xub xub paub txog lub ntuj
thiab daim av no ua ntej tshaj plaws ntawm lwm haiv neeg, Cov Hmoob
coj qub kev cai mas lawv coj li tus neeg paub tab neeg laus tsi niaj
hnub niaj hmo ua tsias txob tshov niam tshov txiv li cov coj yesxus,
cov coj yes xus mas ib qhov me me los hais rau vajtswv ob qhov los
hais rau vajtswv, hais ua tshais ua hmo li tej me nyuamyaus.

Tej me nyuam leej twg tshiam ua li ntawd rau tej niam tej txiv twb
meem txom, niam txiv twb cem nws dua lwm tus me nyuam thiab.

YTK

[cwjmem]

On Dec 22, 8:14 am, chia <dawbl...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 6)  Lub ntiajteb no yog leej twg ua tus tsim?

Hmong version ua leej twg yog tus tsim lub ntuj thiab daim av. Cover
everything that is not on your white-man scripture/bible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7uId0oHn00&feature=related

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Tijlaug YTK,
Koj tus ua tij yuav tau ua siab loj. Koj yuav tsum xav hais tias yog
koj chim npaum li no koj yuav ua li cas daws cov teeb meem no piv xam
hais tias koj yog peb Hmoob tus thawj li Phagna TBL thiab GVP? Tsis
tas li ntawd kuv xav hais tias nej cov ua tij uas tseem muaj lub zeem
muag yuav coj peb Hmoob kom mus cuag peb tus npau suav mas tseem yuav
tau ntsib thiab daws teeb meem loj tshaj qhov tus nyuag XF. no qhia
laiv. Koj ua tij puas xav li ntawd? Kwv Dony

[DownUnder]

Dony...

XF Muas Lis thiab kuv, wb yeej nyob ua ke.

Wb niaj hnub sibtham txog tej teebmeem no. Yawg mas ho tseem paub
kevcai Hmoob zoo tshaj kuv. yawg tseem tuaj qhia kevcai Hmoob rau kuv
thiab... tsis tag lino xwb yawg tseem yog ib tug paub saib memtoj zoo
heev,,, Ywag tau mus ncig yuav thoob ntiaj teb... mus xyuas saib
memtoj qhov twg zoo tshaj. Yawg hais tias nyob Geneva mas yog qhov
memtoj zoo tshaj plaws... Tim peb Camberra los yeej not bad.

Zaum tag no, yawg kuj tau mus xyuav nram dablaug GVP txawg tibsis...
mas kuj zoo thiab tabsis tej qhov chaw zoo ces luag twb yuav tag
lawm... cev GVP qhov chaw mas poob nra qab heev thiab yam li tias ib
sab mas yeej zoo tiag tabsis sab ob mas yuav poob qi tsawv lawm.

Yawg tseem tab tos nrog kuv research kuv phau ntawv "Ua NeebHmoob"uas
kuj ntau yam muaj nyob rau hauv xtian tej bible.

li kuv tau piav los lawm, nyob Taiwan, cov Txiv Neeb Xtian thiab cov
Pastors/Priests yeej ua haujlwm ua kev rau lawm cov neeg ntseeg...
quite interestimg!!! Tabsis. peb Hmoob muaj ntau pab ho yseem muaj
kev caiv ntau yam ua luaj li... zoo li ua heev tshaj nyob hau phaum
bible lawm thiab. Yog vim licas tiag? Lawv ho sib cov bible twg?


du

[tshajplaws]

YTK,

Thov qhuas koj......thumb's up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

U my hero

[Yaj Tshaj Koob]

Tshajplaws,

Thov qhuas koj thiab, koj yog neeg to taub qhov yog thiab qhov tsi yog
lawm. Ua tsaug rau koj los lus qhua, kuv yeej paub zoo lawm hais tias
peb Hmoob cov ntseeg Yesxus lawv teev tau tus dab yesxus dab chim taug
lawm, yog peb ywj cia lawv hais peb cov coj qub kev Hmoob ua ntxeev ua
nphau los peb txhob hais li no ces peb thiaj yog tus zoo thiab thiaj
yog neeg siab loj siab ntev. Hos yog peb ho hais rov qab raws li lawv
cov lus txob thuam hais peb tej kev lis kev cai ces, peb txawm yog tus
tsi zoo ntag, peb Hmoob cov coj qub kev cai mas peb cem dab mas yog
cem tej dab qus tiag tiag xwb, cov ntseeg dab yesxus ces lawm cem dab
ces txawm yog cem peb tsev neeg Hmoob uas poj hlav yawm ncau ntag.


Kwv Dony,

Koj cov lus hais hauv qab no tias..

> Tijlaug YTK,
> Koj tus ua tij yuav tau ua siab loj. Koj yuav tsum xav hais tias yog
> koj chim npaum li no koj yuav ua li cas daws cov teeb meem no piv xam
> hais tias koj yog peb Hmoob tus thawj li Phagna TBL thiab GVP? Tsis
> tas li ntawd kuv xav hais tias nej cov ua tij uas tseem muaj lub zeem
> muag yuav coj peb Hmoob kom mus cuag peb tus npau suav mas tseem yuav
> tau ntsib thiab daws teeb meem loj tshaj qhov tus nyuag XF. no qhia
> laiv. Koj ua tij puas xav li ntawd? Kwv Dony

Hais koj paub tias qhov ua siab loj thiab me los tsi paub, tsuas hais
li txoj kev mus ncaj hauv ruab nrab nkaus xwb, tab txawm kuv hais li
ntawd rau koj pawg ntseeg los zoo kuv hais yuav tsiv koj mloog tib
yam, nyaj koj yuav tau nyeem kuv cov lus tig raws li Txooj Zeb cov lus
rov rau nej pawg ntseeg lawm tias yog hais li ntawd puas zoo mloog
thiab siv puas tau?

Hais txog kev ua tus coj ces kuv twb laus dhau txoj kev yuav ua tus
coj kom khov kho lawm, yuav ua tau tus coj mas yuav tsum yog thaum
tseem hluas hluas 20-50 xyoo ntawd mas thiaj yog caij ua nom. Neeg
laus lawm tsuas los tawm tswv yim rau tej yam uas koob mus tsi taus
xov los tsi nyog lawm xwb.

Kuv twb hnov GVP tau hais rau hauv xov tooj cua tias peb cov Hmoob
yuav teev hawm ces kav tsij teev hawm GVP xwb tsi tas yuav mus teev
hawm Yesxus, Yesxus luag yog luag dua ib tsav neeg yawg hais li. Ua
tsaug ntau rau koj tej lus.


YTK

[yawgnomdub]

YTK

Tog tshajplaws ho qhuas koj cov lug los yawg pawg ntseeg nyam nyam
ncaws xh. tawm es puab tub ncaws 4 tug xh. tawm huv puab pawg ntseeg
lawm los as. Naj nub nuav tub tsi muaj xh. kaam lug nyob puab pawg
ntseeg le lawm nej. Tej zag puab pawg ntseeg muaj lub tswv yim le koj
nyam pob es cov xh. tug twg has los txhaj tsi hum puab sab le pob.

Nyuaj ces koj nrug kuv wb moog pib dlua ib pawg ntseeg tshab seb. Koj
xaav kuas pib rua qhov twg? Pib rua St. Paul los tau, pib rua
California los tau. Koj nyam qhov twg ces wb moog pib xwb tag.

[Yaj Tshaj Koob]

Tus kwv Yawgnomdub,

Yog koj tus siab hwv lawm no ces, cia kuv thov Vajtswv rau koj, ua
tsaug rau vajtswv ntuj tus uas muaj lub siab loj siab dav hlub tib
neeg ntiaj teb, koj tseem pub kuv thiab kwv yawgnomdub wb muaj txoj
sia nyob txav tuaj ua ke rau hauv SCH no, yog li ua koj tsaug tsi tag
tsi kawg, thov koj foom koob hmoov rau wb ob kwv tij kom wb txawj sib
fwm thiab txawj sib hlub dua qhov qub ntxiv mus lawm yav tom ntej, kom
wb muaj lub laj lim tswv yim los txim kho peb tsob Hmoob kom tsi txhob
muaj kev cib nyeej ntxiv lawm, kom ib leeg txawj zam ib leeg mus rau
txoj kev zoo, ua ke qhov xaus no thov ua vajtswv tsaug rau tus tswv
yesxus lub npe zoo Amen.

puas tau haum siab thiab os pawg ntseeg.

YTK

[lha]

YTK,

Tsam no nyaj zoo siab mentsis tuaj lawm los pos? Twb muaj 2-3 tug
qhuas qhuas koj lawm ces cia li zoo siab kiag os. Txhob ua li cov
neeg Falisxais thaum ub Tswv Yexus muab lawv cem cem es lawv tseem
yuav muab Nws tua pov tseg thiab ov. Yog tseem tsis tau zoo siab thiab
no ces koj pib dua ib lub topic: lha Vs. YTK (#2) es kuv mam li tuaj
nrog koj sib tham seb pos zoo koj lub siab os. Have a Merry Christmas
and Happy New Year 2012.

lha

[Yaj Tshaj Koob]

On Dec 23, 10:44 pm, lha <lha...@yahoo.com> wrote:


lh,

Koj hais li hauv qab no tias........

> Tsam no nyaj zoo siab mentsis tuaj lawm los pos?

Kuv tus laus no mas hais txog kev sib cav pem cav ncauj mas yeej tsi
tau chim rau leej twg siab los yeej tsi zoo siab ua luaj twg, vim yus
yog niag neeg tsi muaj teb chaws nyob txog twg los yeej zoo li tus
neeg poob zoov tsi pom qab yuav ua zaj twg.

>...........................................................................Twb muaj 2-3 tug

> qhuas qhuas koj lawm ces cia li zoo siab kiag os.

Lawv yeej tsi qhuas kuv ua luaj twg, qhov lawv qhuas me me ces yog vim
kuv hais tau ncaj ncees mus nruab nrab rau cov coj Yesxus thiab cov
coj kev cai Hmoob lawm xwb

>............................................................................Txhob ua li cov

> neeg Falisxais thaum ub Tswv Yexus muab lawv cem cem es lawv tseem
> yuav muab Nws tua pov tseg thiab ov

Cov neeg Falixais tsi tua Yesxus los nws yeej twb muaj lwm tus muab
yawg tua lawm les.

>...................................................... Yog tseem tsis tau zoo siab thiab

> no ces koj pib dua ib lub topic: lha Vs. YTK (#2) es kuv mam li tuaj
> nrog koj sib tham seb pos zoo koj lub siab os.

Kev chim nyob qhov twg es xij hais tias tsi zoo siab no los? Qhov peb
tau sib cam txog Yesxus thiab Hmoob kev dab kev qhua ntawd twb vim yog
yam li rab teev uas luj tsi ncaj hhauv nruab nrab lawm ne, ces yuav
tau hais kom kawg li, es yuav cia rau nej muab peb lub qhov muag tshum
tag zog li xwb ntag, yog nej xuas hmuv tshum peb qhov muag lawm ces
kawg peb yuav tau xuas hmov tshum rov qab rau nej lub thiab xwb les.

Tos hais tias koj tuaj hais cov lus no los twb vim yog kuv thov
vajtswv ntuj rau kwv yawgnomdub lawm es koj thiaj kaj siab me ntsis
tawm tuaj hais cov li no rau kuv xwb los mas. Yog tseem yuav pib dua
lwm lub topic thiab los txog thaum kawg koj yeej yuav rov swb dua li
qub xwb.

Cia kuv hais Hmoob txoj kev txom nyem me ntsis pub koj mloog li nram
qab no tias....

Hais txog tej laus poob teb chaws Suav teb tawm rov tuam tshoj Hmoob
nyob tsi tsheej npoj, feem coob suav ntes tau cov tsawg thiaj kiav
dhau. Hais txog cov nyob suav tseem muab ntaj nkaug tuag tag lawm feem
ntau feem coob yog cov laus thiab cov tawj hau, hais txog tej me
ntxhais yau tiab tej poj niam muaj txiv suab muab yuam ua dev nro ua
npua yam twg los
suav ua txhua, tus twg ywj suav siab suav thiaj tseg nws cia, leej twg
tseem tawv nyom suav nkaug riag ua rau dov zog, ntshav txuas liab pes
vog suav nyho thiab suav nto niag qias neeg li no tseem tsi pub rau
luag kov, suav nto pib!. Cov nyob qub teb chaws lawv mas txom nyem
kawg, kua muag poob luaj lawg los tsi muaj neeg nrog khaws ntwg puv
tej qab roob tsi muaj tus nom Hmoob
nyob rau qhov twg yuav los nrog plhw, hais txog cov kiav dim suav
thiab tub rog raws zov txhua txhia lub dawm tua Hmoob tuag tsheej
pawg, Hmoob muaj 3 txoj kev txawj ntaus nrig thiab ncaws taw Hmoob
thiaj dim ntau pawg, tso txij thiab tso nkawm
tso pog thiab tso yawg tso teb nrog tso chaw tseg ziag dai siab dhuam,
cov nyuag ntsej muag suab,
peb kiav txog tog kev ntsaib plab mus yoo nqhis, tig loo zom khaub ris
tig loo ntsuas khaub tiab, tej me nyuam mos liab muab nrauj ncua rau
tej yag kev, lawm tau ntev tsi muaj dab tsi noj ces muab poj niam pauv
3 lub ncuav pias, noj kav puv 3 tsug kev thiaj muab poj niam nrauj
ncua rau tej yas kev poj niam koj nyob mog tsi ntev li rov tuaj tos
kuv niam nkauj plhu mos los nrog kuv nyob, hais lus tus siab nrho
thiaj lam caim los lawm tsi kav tseem nco kawg.

YTK

[Zoo]

> YTK

He cannot be a xibfwb cuav. A xibfwb cuav us he who would appease to
non-christian. If this xibfwb had thrown some knock out punches at non-
christian as ytk mentioned then he is a REAL xibfwb.


to DU question as quoted

"li kuv tau piav los lawm, nyob Taiwan, cov Txiv Neeb Xtian thiab cov
Pastors/Priests yeej ua haujlwm ua kev rau lawm cov neeg ntseeg...
quite interestimg!!! Tabsis. peb Hmoob muaj ntau pab ho yseem muaj
kev caiv ntau yam ua luaj li... zoo li ua heev tshaj nyob hau phaum
bible lawm thiab. Yog vim licas tiag? Lawv ho sib cov bible twg?"

TO YOUR ANSWER.

Matt6:24 24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the
one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise
the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

The Greatest Commandment
Mark m12:28

28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating.
Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of
all the commandments, which is the most important?”
29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O
Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30 Love the Lord your
God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind
and with all your strength.’[f] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your
neighbor as yourself.’[g] There is no commandment greater than
these.”

[cwjmem]

On Dec 24, 7:44 pm, Zoo <m_stang...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The Greatest Commandment
> Mark m12:28
>
>  28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating.
> Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of
> all the commandments, which is the most important?”
>    29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O
> Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30 Love the Lord your
> God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind
> and with all your strength.’[f] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your
> neighbor as yourself.’[g] There is no commandment greater than
> these.”

Zoo aw,

Txiv plig nyiaj Pov yeej, naim thiab txiv, pog yawg, yawg koob pog
koob ib txwm coj catholic thiab tuaj qhia Catholic rau Hmoob, thaum
kawg tseem kom Hmoob taw kev, tshuab qeej raus nws mus cuag poj cuag
yawm thiab. Nej cov niag Hmoob es tuaj kawm teb chaws no xwb, es niam
yuav ntse dua cov txiv plig no lawm thiab?? Tseem sau ntxiv lus rau
Meka cov bible lawm thiab...los yog nej muab txhais yuam kev niv, ha
ha ha....Bible + church = $$$$ and power...No gods!!!!!

[idonotknow]

On Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:22:59 PM UTC-6, cwjmem wrote:

raws li kuv hnov mas thaum tus txiv plig ko tuag. yuav kom tau hmoob mus qhuab ke thiab coj nws mus raw hmoob kev cai. nyob fabkis nrhiav tsis muaj tus hmoob ua tau li txiv plig nyiam. thaum kawg lawv tseem yuav pib rau hmoob usa mus ua rau. tus hmoob ntawd zoo li nyob wis los yog mn ze ze tsis deb ntawm no sub na.

nej paub vajtswv yesxus npaum li cas los puas npaum tus xib fwb ntawd ma? nws twb nyoo thaum kawg rov los kom hmoob xa nws mus cuag poj yawm lawm. nej cov coj kev cai tshiab yuav cem thiab thuam hmoob kev cai dab qhuas npaum li cas los kuv tias nej tsis tau paub txaus. peb khiav tuaj KAWM tim no xwb. kaj tsij mus KAWM ntxiv os hmoob aw.

--idonotknow

[Zoo]

Txiv Plig Nyiajpov, Savinas thiab xibfwb Lis Muas uas DU hais yog
xibfwb cuav.

If one is to follow the Lord Jesus as the book of Mar 12:29 then
there is no room for anything else. You cannot serve God and dab at
the same time.

[Mouatony]

Ib tsoom bojyaig Moob,


Yog yaam xamxanan twg ua tau ib lub institution lug cob qhas luas tug
principle tsua nplajteb kawm hab paub ce lub ntawd yog lub tseeb hos
lub es naj nub ua los nyob ntawd ntug cub xwb ce lub ntawd zoo kawg
tabsi kawg lus plauv tshauv xwb os. Thaum peb tsi muaj ib tug
principle zoo tsua lwm tug los lwm haiv kawm ce luas siv politic kom
koj nyob tuab lub chaw qub kom taag ib sim neej le os. Peb Moob puas
paub hab pum cov Indian nyob tom RESERVATION mas, cov Dlawb has tas
keep your culture and traditonal, we will feed you with our tax. 200
xyoo xwb luas moog txug sau hli tabsi Indian tseem nyob zoo le qub hab
hau dlej hau caw le qub. AMEN.

MT

[yawgnomdub]

Zoo I agree but the hmong pastor who tell others to do but he's not
doing also cuav. About 80% of hmong pastors will not do as they preach.

[Zoo]

On Dec 21, 1:01 am, DownUnder <drpaosay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hais npaum twg ;los yeej tsis npaum li cov xijfwb tawv dawb uas luag
> yof xijfwb Xtian taig thaib paub txog kev teev Xtain zoo tshaj li
> Father Savina thiab Txiv Plig Nyaij Pov (Bertrais) uas yog ob tug
> xijfwb mus ntxias cov Hmoob nyob Suav teb thiab Nplog teb kom los coj
> dab Xtiam txij xyoo 1907 los. Thaum kawh Savina thiaj los dsau nw phau
> ntawv "Histoire of the Miao" uas neej tau piav txog peb Hmoob kev ua
> dab ua qhua, kev ntseeg uas yog cov factor ua kom Hmoob ua neeg los
> tau 5000 xyoo - tsem ua pab ua pawg.. ua tau ib hais neeg.
>
> Txiv Plig Nyiaj Pov los tib yam... thaum kawg nws tau los kawm txog
> Hmoob tek kev coj dab coj qhua ua rau yawg rov qab los pauv siab kom
> Hmoob yuav tsum khaws Hmoob tej kev coj no mus lawm yav tomntej... nws
> thiaj kom nws cov Hmoob catholic yuav tsum siv kev cai Hmoob los siv
> tej lub caij ploj tuag.. kom mua taw kev li Hmob poob koob yawm tswv
> tau ua los tau 5000 lawm. Nws thiaj tau pib sau Hmoob tej kevcai txij
> xyoobn1970 los txog kev ploj tuag (1200 page), ua tshoob ua kos ,
> thiab tswjci ntau yam txog 8 phau ntawv hus tias "Collection
> Patrimoine Culturel Hmong".
>
> Qhov tseem ceeb mas Hmoob kev ntseeg 5000 xyoo mas yog kev ntseeg
> ua zoo rau kev koom hmoob (communal/familial oriented). Tabsis cov kev
> ntseeg Xtiam mas yog kev ntseeg rau YUS TUS KHEEG xwb (Personal
> salvation)- kev CHAWM yus tus kheeg. Vim lino, leej twg mus ua Xtiam
> lawv ces lawv qhov rub  lawv lub siab ces yog lawv lub church thiab
> Yesus thiab lawv tig los ua rau lawv TUS KHEEJ xwb, ces ua rau kev ua
> kwvtij, ua nej ua tsav tsis mauj nqi lawm.

in term of social and aid, Christian have served and provide more aid
to people on earth than any other religious or belief organization in
the world.

We have about 230,000 hmong in the US.Among them there are 10,000
hmong christians. These 10,000 xtians have khawb 10' of qhiv dej rau
Hmoob in third world than the 220,000 put together.

DU, you are copletly in the dark and one side opion regarding
christianity.

There are many cases in the US. The father divorced the wife, even
though they had many grown up cholren, muaj tub-nyab thiab ntxhais-
vauv. When the old lady passed away, tub-nyab thaib ntxhais-vauv ua
tsi tau kevcai rau lawv nuam vim lawv txiv twb muab lawv niam nrauj
lawm. She is no longer coj lawv txiv cov dab lawm and will not qualify
to be burry by them. Hmoob christian have to do the bruuial ceremony
for her. How does that fit in your, the "siab loj siab dav".



> Lino nws thiaj muaj conflict txog kev yuav ua hmoob vim tias yog yus
> ua ib tug Hmoob mas yus yuav tsuj coj siab dav, ua txua yam rau yus
> coj pojyawm tswvtxoob, hawm yus niam yus txij thiaj tau ntuj ntoo,
> hawm txog yuv coj kwvtij pog yawg uas tau tag sim neej lawm THIAB ua
> txua yam to protect yus cov NEXT generation (so we do live life for
> the dead, the living and for those yet to be born)... LI thaum ub tsev
> Hmoob lauj kiabtoom tseem tuaj ua plaub rau peb tsev neeg vim tias peb

Is this you call " SIAB LOJ SIAB DAV?'


> yawg tai coj mus los rau pem-toj Kiabtong lun ntxa, ces nws yuav over
> shadow over Kiatong tej me tub menyuam in the generation to come!
>
> Thaum mus ua Xtian lawv, nws tsis yog tso kev teev dab teev qhua xwb
> tabsis nws yog kev PAUV UA NEEJ TSHIAB uas yuav coj li Hmoob coj tsis
> tau lawm. Nws muaj conflict.. personal salvation VS. a Hmong who live
> life for the dead, the living and for those yet to be born.
>
> du

[Tony]

It is not totally the pastor's fault. It is the congregation as
well. Note that, as I have stated in some other thread, Hmong lawb
dlaab still have many ties with Hmong tradition (coj dlaab).

They may have the coat of the lamb, but they still acting like a goat.

Hmong tradition has a big baggage and is very hard to get rid of some
of the outdated stuff. To the eyes of the traditionalist, the more
you have the better it is. To the eye of a believer, the less the
become the purer you will be. (It's like a family who collects
everything and soon clutter his house and run out of space to live as
compare to the family who places the good and useful thing in a
reachable spot and trash the items which are no longer needed.)

Not until we sort out what culture and religion are, we will send the
mixed message to everyone else (traditionalist and believer alike).

[cwjmem]

On Dec 27, 2:40 am, Tony <avang_...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hmong tradition has a big baggage and is very hard to get rid of some
> of the outdated stuff.

Really, religions have the expiration dates, ha ha ha ha ...May be to
Hmong who adapt to believe the white-man religion that has been known
to be the most destructive religion in this earth... If you come to
California, visit the PRESIDIO of SF, Spanish built this place to
round up all the American Indians that lived in the Bay area..If these
poor Indians did not convert to the white-man religion, they were to
be killed....I guess TIS was a million from white-man's god, eh???

>To the eyes of the traditionalist, the more
> you have the better it is.  To the eye of a believer, the less

White-man relion is pure religion, Crap...you are a lost soul. No
religious model was ever nailed their true religious seeker to the
wooden cross like your white-man son of God Jesus, ha ha ha!!! Did
citizens of Indians nailed Buddha to the CROSS, ha ha ha ha...Did
Chinese nailed Confucius to the cross? Mohamed to the CROSS? Siv Yis
hmoob puas tau muab ntsia rau ntawm tus ntoo khaub lig???

> Not until we sort out what culture and religion are, we will send the
> mixed message to everyone else (traditionalist and believer alike).

Really, culture and religion are integral part of ib HAIV NEEG twg. If
you change one, you have to change other...what a lost soul idea, he
he he he.. Why you Hmong christian believers ua tshoob tseem yuav
muaj MEKOOB, NIAM TAIS NTSUAB, TXIV COJ XO, and TSWJ KAB, KAV XWM,
XYOM CUAB etc. thaum muaj ib tug Hmoob coj Mab dawb cov dab qhuas
tuag? Vim licas tseem ua 3 hnub? Cas tsis ua li MEKA ua, ua ib hnub
los yog 4-5 teev xwb?

[Tony]

Yawm Cwjmen,

How big a baggage did you bring with you when you became a human (a
Hmong)? How much of the Hmong life are you able to hold on in the
industrial society? What can you take with you back to the other side
(whether heaven, hell, limbo, or whatever you name it)?

Tradition is what is going on in our physical life. Religion is what
is leading us to the other side. (True, it is an integral part of our
life. However, we must know what tradition (culture) is and what
religion (spiritual) is. Otherwise we all go insane. Narrow down to
the a few meaningful and possible to comprehend will keep our mind
sane.

I will state it again, Hmong Christians aren't too far off from the
Hmong traditionalist. (Their baggage is huge as well) Some try to
lighten up their bag.

[DownUnder]

There is always a black ship among the flock... and this is also true
in the case of the Hmong people.

du

[Zoo]

DU, you are wrong. That is not a black sheep in the flock. That is the
prionciples in the culture. when a mother was divorced by the husband,
she is the out cast of that famimily. If she is not to marry again she
will remain an out cast. That why Hmong women have to suffer in the
hand of their man by marrying one that even she doesn't like but will
keep her include in tthe man's family dabqhuas sp when she die she
will be burreid.

In america, tub-nyab ntxhais-vauv coj tej menyuam tuaj rau poglaus zov
kom lawv tau tes mus khwvnoj. Txog hnub poglaus tuag ho hais tias
dabqhua tsi kam, los tsi tau poglaus.

Tell me, if you want to keep this belief and practice for generations
to comes, because you call this a "siab dawb, siab dav, sia loj, siab
zoo".

[cwjmem]

On Dec 28, 3:15 am, Tony <avang_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yawm Cwjmen,
>
> How big a baggage did you bring with you when you became a human (a
> Hmong)? How much of the Hmong life are you able to hold on in the
> industrial society?  What can you take with you back to the other side
> (whether heaven, hell, limbo, or whatever you name it)?
>

He he he...what is the industrial society got to do with RELIGION?
Look at China now, are commie Chinese hold any national religion?
Nada...my white-man god believer Hmong brother. Who can take you back
to the other side of the world?? Priest, pastors.. no one!!!!!

Hmong religion is known to be POJ UA TSEG YAWM UA CIA another world is
"WAY OF LIFE" that we our ancestors have passed it generation after
generations. Hmong religion and tradition is the "CARE TAKER OF THE
HMONG PEOPLE", the livings take the care of the dead ones (materials,
such as meals, paper money etc.), the deceased ones take care/look
after Hmong families (spiritually). Younger brothers marry their
deceased older brothers' wives to remain in the families...We believe
that families take better care of our widows and their children.

Yep, Hmong carry big baggage. Everyone is the production of Hmong
clan and Hmong society. Those converters are the ones that dump their
loads to others, hoping to lighten up their resposibilities...adopting
(mimicking) the white-man culture, yet they don't know what the hell
of white-men doing. So, they still go half and half. These folks
become the lost souls. They can't do what the white-man doing, and
can't leave Hmong traditional beliefs. Sib yuav tseem muaj MEKOB, TXIV
COJ XO, PHIJ LAJ etc. Thaum tuag tseem yuav nrhiav TSWJ KAB, KAV XWM,
CUAB TSAV, etc. thiab.

> I will state it again, Hmong Christians aren't too far off from the
> Hmong traditionalist.  (Their baggage is huge as well)  Some try to
> lighten up their bag.

If you really want to abandon Hmong religion, why can't you just adopt
the white-man "WAY OF LIFE", their poj ua tseg yawm ua cia 100%. Stop
doing a HALF WAY practice, neither white-man accepts you nor Hmong
people recognize you, he he he he...

The bottom line of the white-man's religion is Money and power. They
will use their religion as a pretext to conquer...Hmong is smarter
than that. I remember when Hmong first got in to this country, lots
of us had gone to churches. After gotten all the material needs
(pots, pans, bed etc.) from the churches, Hmong stopped going. In my
families (paternal linear) only 1-2% of our family members go to
Church.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBbgBbc7toI&feature=related

[Hmong-Lao]

Cov phoojywg,
Kev ntseeg yog ib yam uas muaj zog heev. Kev ntseeg muaj peev xwm tua
taus lwm tus neeg pov tseg. Kev ntseeg muaj peevxwm ua rau yus zoo
siab hlo rov tua yus tus kheej. Yus yuav qhuas yus txoj kev ntseeg
npaum li cas los tsis muaj neeg txwv, tabsis tsis tsim nyog thuam lwm
leej lwm tus txoj kev ntseeg.

Phoojywg Zoo,
Tej koj hais no yog vim tibneeg lub siab nqaim thiab vim peev
nyiajtxiag xwb. Tsis hais cov tseem coj kev cai qub los cov twb mus
coj kev cai tshiab, yeej tseem muaj tej teebmeem zoo li koj piav no ua
ntu zus los. Tabsis txawm li ntawd los yeej muaj txoj hauv kev tham
kom koob mus yoj xov los nyog. Kuv tus kheej los twb pom case puav uas
nws tsev neeg mus ua kev cai raus dej tag, tabsis ho tsis mus church
kom cuag ncua, thaum nws tag txoj yawg ces church tsis kam nta nws lub
ntees thiab; txog qhov kawg ces cov kwvtij coj los ua kev cai qub xwb
los muaj.

HL

[Tony]

Mej siscaav txug zaaj nuav los yeej tsi muaj tug yeej tug swb le os.
Qhov tseeb yog cov ntseeg muab txuj kev paab ntawm saab nqajtawv lug
thaam es yuav coj puab hlaa moog rua saab ntsujnplig. Qho yaam, cov
ntseeg kuj ua yog. Qho yaam puab kuj tsi nwm txug le hab. Huas cov
ntseeg losyog cov kws tseem coj txuj qub kevcai kuj los moog ntseeg
yaam paub tsi taag le hab. Puab moog church (tsi tau yog moog ntseeg)
kuas tau kev paab. Ib txha moog kuas tau phoojywg. Ib txha moog kuas
tau kev tso paa. Huas ib txha moog kuas church paam. Suavdlawg
novqaab txug lub homphaj ntawm saab ntsujnplig lawm. Thaus muaj
tuabneeg tuag lawm ces txhaj muaj tej xwm kws mej thaam nuav.

Yuav ua le caag txhaj le dlaws tau losyog hlaa dlau tej teebmeem
ntawd?

1. Paub yug tugkheej kuas meej-meej.
2. Tsom kuas pum lub homphaj kws yuav moog church, moog ntseeg,
losyog moog tuag xwb.
3. Saibseb lug church ntawd xaav tau koj ua tswvcuab xwb losyog puab
yeej khov txaus lug paab taagnrog saab nqajtawv hab saab ntsujnplig.

You give some and you take some. There's two way street. But, the
physical need takes priority over the spiritual need while still
alive. At the dying state, physical need also take priority of
spiritual need as well. The outcome only reflects by what you'all
debating about.

The truth is, both have fault. That is the human nature.

[Tony]

Life in America, whether you accept it or not, religion or not, your
baggage will be slow slipping away from your grip. Traditionalist
wants to hang on to the stuff baggage will soon find it meaningless
and empty. Industrial society has everything to do with our culture
and religion, which becomes a cause and effect that greatly affect our
daily life.

I'll be humbly agreed with you that we are lost (not a lost soul) of
our mind. We can't be fully Hmong nor American. We are in the state
of limbo.

Some want to remain Hmong, some want to be Hmong-American, and other
want out of here (earth). The later part is quite out of this world.

[cwjmem]

On Dec 28, 2:44 pm, Tony <avang_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Life in America, whether you accept it or not, religion or not, your
> baggage will be slow slipping away from your grip.  Traditionalist
> wants to hang on to the stuff baggage will soon find it meaningless
> and empty.  Industrial society has everything to do with our culture
> and religion, which becomes a cause and effect that greatly affect our
> daily life.

Sure, we may have to change some of none essential rituals, but the
main course of the Hmong traditional and religious rituals are getting
stronger. Our Hmong ritual baggage is still full. As a matter of
fact, more young people are practicing Qeej, and playing Qeej at the
funeral home, more shaman healing spirits are looking for Hmong
people. They even pick a converter like you to be a shaman. My
cousin was one strict christian ever since he stepped onto this land,
now he is a shaman, and perform his ritual from East to West, from
North to South whenever Hmong people ask.

It may be a meaningless to those white-man religion adopters, but
certainly is a great assess to the Hmong people. Pastor, preacher
like you (assumption) was trained to brainwash your congregation to
believe in something the white-man say, give a fault hope to the
desperate, hopeless people to believe in life after death (spiritual
world). The real reason behind it was the money....I don't blame you
because white-man University trained you to do so...LIE and make a
career out of lying is a lucrative business.

Industrial society has nothing to do with culture and tradition. We
are still rolling it with a high speed.

> I'll be humbly agreed with you that we are lost (not a lost soul) of
> our mind.  We can't be fully Hmong nor American.  We are in the state
> of limbo.

Atleast you know that...doing HALF way is no good..

> Some want to remain Hmong, some want to be Hmong-American, and other
> want out of here (earth).  The later part is quite out of this world.

The sooner Hmong remain to be Hmong is better. Do you see and hear
anyone in China town, Vietnam town, Mev town, Korean town speak
English? Stop in China town in SF to see for yourself. Their
communities are rich of everything(no recession, the DIMSUM restaurant
still form a long line during the weekends, and take a ticket for a
place/table to eat). They even conduct their dead ritual in the
street of China town by blowing the Chinese trumpets lead their dead
to be buried. Don't be ASSHAME TO BE HMONG, WE ARE ONE OF THE
GREATEST PEOPLE on earth.

[Tony]

Tshuab qeej uaneeb are growing and spread from east to west and from
north to south is a bolded statement. Is it really carrying the
meaning of Hmong tradition? I think not. It is westernized, to find
the Hmong in the west a niche in a developed society.

According to the small portion of literature that was made available
over the internet, Txivplig Nyiaj Pov, and others, qeej was way off of
our root from Laos. The western Hmong qeej is catching on to what
took place in the distance past of Hmong (Miao) life in China. The
shaman is westernized as a prestigious role in the Hmong community in
the west. The rigor will soon fade away.

There will always be a Hmong "China Town." I applaud for that. I've
seen the China Town in SF. I like their cooking. Beyond that, it's a
world by itself. We, Hmong, love use others to compare ourselve
with. Better yet, we be little ourselves or our chidren as, "Look at
them!" Why can't you be like them?

You've been preaching (shamaning) of puj ua tseg yawm ua cia, Well,
only if we could have a "Hmong Town" so that we can say, "Look! What
we have done!" To compare with that, the Christian have move to that
step (not perfect but noticeable). The visible outcome are the church
building, the congragation, the "Christian activities" of moving out
of this world. (That is still a far fetch for my state of mind at the
moment). Some are sincere. Some are in the state of limbo. And
others are "just follow the leader." A blind man lead another blind
man.

[idonotknow]

WHICH blind man is leading us/Hmong blind men now??
the answer seems to be NONE at the moment. it sounds more like the blind men are leading himself this time. perfect example of freedom of choice this time.

[cwjmem]

On Dec 29, 1:12 am, Tony <avang_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Tshuab qeej uaneeb are growing and spread from east to west and from
> north to south is a bolded statement.  Is it really carrying the
> meaning of Hmong tradition?  I think not.  It is westernized, to find
> the Hmong in the west a niche in a developed society.
>
> According to the small portion of literature that was made available
> over the internet, Txivplig Nyiaj Pov, and others, qeej was way off of
> our root from Laos.  The western Hmong qeej is catching on to what
> took place in the distance past of Hmong (Miao) life in China.  The
> shaman is westernized as a prestigious role in the Hmong community in
> the west.  The rigor will soon fade away.

He he he ...Qeej is partl of Hmong culture and will live with us until
the last Hmong on earth (except the converters). It has been with us
since the beginning of HAIV HMOOB. From China to the western
hemisphere, if we are not careful, the white-man may steal it for show
from us like this white guy from Laotians.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTWL0VPthuI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCovlX7MOvQ&feature=related

>
> There will always be a Hmong "China Town."  I applaud for that.  I've
> seen the China Town in SF.  I like their cooking.  Beyond that, it's a
> world by itself.  We, Hmong, love use others to compare ourselve
> with.  Better yet, we be little ourselves or our chidren as, "Look at
> them!" Why can't you be like them?

Whether Hmong like it or not, we have to form our own communities.
Look at Hmong professionals, Pastors, and businesses. Hmong cannot
survive doing business with other nationalities. I am sure your
congregation consist of 100% Hmong converters. What you scare the
most is that when your church goers see no benefit from going to
church, they will stop going and your life living on Hmong converters
and years of education to brainwash Hmong people to join your church
will go to the drain. White-man don't want you to preach in their
churches and so the Koreans, Filipinos, the Vietnamese etc...

When I was living in Atlanta, GA, a friend of mine told me that he had
to pay $500 monthly (less than 15 families attending that church) to
feed his Hmong pastor, plus weekly contribution, and devoted his time
to maintain their church (share with white people). He told me that
if he knew any of his paternal families who still practice "PUJ UA CA
YAWM UA TSEG" he would have returned to practice Hmong religion.

I had an uncle in Michigan attending Hmong Church. When he died the
church only gave $200 for his wife. He wife's brother ended up
shoulder most of the cost of his funeral. Not long after they buried
him, the uncle came almost every night turning on the TV. His widow
and their kids were so scare. Finally, he came and asked money to
travel to the other world. A Hmong shaman was called to guide him to
cuag poj cuag yawm..after that, his activity of turning the TV on ,
phov tais diav was stopped.

> You've been preaching (shamaning) of puj ua tseg yawm ua cia, Well,
> only if we could have a "Hmong Town" so that we can say, "Look! What
> we have done!"  To compare with that, the Christian have move to that
> step (not perfect but noticeable).  The visible outcome are the church
> building, the congragation, the "Christian activities" of moving out
> of this world.  (That is still a far fetch for my state of mind at the
> moment).  Some are sincere.  Some are in the state of limbo.  And
> others are "just follow the leader."  A blind man lead another blind
> man.

Yeah, white man build their churches everywhere. However, less and
less people attend churches nowadays. I see lots of churches are on
the real estate market too.

When I was in North Carolina, a retired white pastor who lived the
next apartment to mine, told me that so many smaller churches cannot
afford to pay for pastors to give the Sunday service, so they called
him every Sunday to preach. He charged them $200/hr. I told him it
was a good business and extra money to spend ...He just smiled.

[idonotknow]

On Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:17:37 PM UTC-6, cwjmem wrote:

wow i was in the wrong major in my university times. i thought 30-150/hour doing computer consultants was good enough but that is wrong now that i see 200/hour for a pastor. maybe my 4years at the U should had been spent to read and remember every single verse in the free bible. starting from origin 3-16 i think by four years i would have remember most if not every verse in that book. i could have preach in church without looking at the bible and quoting it by verse to verse that would deserved a nice $/hour but I'm not white so there is no Hmong church willing to pay the rate over 100/hour as you mentioned above.

it's not that much critical for $ can not buy every things. at my current level is sufficient. so I'll be content with what i got and will get.

--idonotknow

[Tony]

Phov taig dlav is what you will always have with puj ua tseg yawm ua
ca. Ever since peb lawb dlaab, paub txuj kev ntseeg, hab ntseeg
Vaajtswv lawm, no more phov taig dlav. No need to be scared or turn
on the tv. That is the beauty of converting from shamanism to
Christianity.

[vaajmoob]

tony es,sob dlaag le hov maj,cov christiam mas yog cov es ntshai dlaab
tshaaj,tsi taag le ntawg xwb teeb dlaab yexus 7 nub ib zag,hab ib
xyooj mas ua ib lub boon dlaab luj tshaaj hu ua holloween,vmged

[Tony]

Dlaab Halloween tsi yog ntsujnplig Yesxus. Nwg yog Meskas cov dlaab
tuag qub-qub kws puab coj Europe tuaj es muab khu dlua lug hem hab
thov khoom qaabsib ntxag mivnyuas xwb.

Puab tsi phov qhovrooj, taigdlav, hab najnub hem tuabneeg (at least
tug kws ntseeg Yesxus tsi ntshai cov dlaab ntawd lawm).

Yog koj lub sab tseem tawv es xaav rua yug tugkheej losyog looj plhu
es has rua "lwm" has tsi ntshai, tamsis pum tej yaam nyuas txawv-txawv
es tseem ntshai (especially near death or see experience the
paranormal).

Good luck losyog zoo moov (losyog tseem yuav ob lu lug "moov phem" naj?

[Zoo]

Kuv tus kheej los twb pom case puav uas
> nws tsev neeg mus ua kev cai raus dej tag, tabsis ho tsis mus church
> kom cuag ncua, thaum nws tag txoj yawg ces church tsis kam nta nws lub
> ntees thiab; txog qhov kawg ces cov kwvtij coj los ua kev cai qub xwb
> los muaj.
>
> HL

you cannot compare apple and orange. church is an open door
institution. One can join membership or remove him/her at will to
and from a church. The church has a by-law and policies to go by. The
church will not take up your problems if you do not submit yourself to
the church's governing by-law and policies.

The church will not pick up the funeral cost of a person when he/she
leave his/her will to a third party.

[cwjmem]

On Jan 1, 11:08 pm, Zoo <m_stang...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> you cannot compare apple and orange.  church is an open door
> institution. One can join  membership or remove him/her  at will to
> and from a church. The church has a by-law and policies to go by. The
> church will not take up your problems if you do not submit yourself to
> the church's governing by-law and policies.
>
> The church will not pick up the funeral cost of a person when he/she
> leave his/her will to a third party.

He he he ...Pastor is just like the business people in main land
China, once you pay for his merchant, you cannot turn around return it
to get refund. Good selling!!! That's why my uncle only got $200
from its Church for his funeral expense

[idonotknow]

On Monday, January 2, 2012 11:49:16 AM UTC-6, cwjmem wrote:

that sounds like the merchant in Thailand as well. buying and selling is all by verbal no receipt is writen or given. if you are not absolutely positive about function of the product you are buying then DON'T buy it. once the money leave your hand for the product it's not coming back... TELL your mom to use her needle and sew your money tightly to your hand so you would not let it go easily.

[cwjmem]

On Jan 2, 3:36 pm, idonotknow <mih...@gmail.com> wrote:

> that sounds like the merchant in Thailand as well. buying and selling is all by verbal no receipt is writen or given. if you are not absolutely positive about function of the product you are buying then DON'T buy it. once the money leave your hand for the product it's not coming back... TELL your mom to use her needle and sew your money tightly to your hand so you would not let it go easily.

99% of Hmong people go to church because they are "tub ntsuag kwv
ntsuag tij, poj ntsuam, tsis paub dab qhuas Hmoob". They expect their
church congregation to pitch in the cost and send their souls (funeral
procession" to see their creator...They say " peb tsis paub dab lawm
ces, peb mus church, thaum ncaim lub ntiaj teb no thiaj li tsis
nyuaj" That is the ONLY and ONLY reason they go to curch. What they
don't know that like "ZOO" the 1% of hmong christian pastor who dwell
on its congregation to pay for his living, $$$ =Christian god. Once
they miss they weekly contribution or become unemployed, they no
longer to afford their yearly dues, his congregations are also
outcast. At the end, his clan ends up shoulder the funeral cost...So,
this should send a clear messages to all of the Converters that they
are betrayed....Cov kwvtij tuaj cem ib zuag tas, ces lawm mam li mus
thov tshwj kab kav xwm tuaj, thov kwv thov tij tuaj pab lawm...

[noogdlej]

ytk es....

kuv tub ib txwm has rua koj hastas koj tsi txhob txhawj txhawj tsaam
koj yuav kev moog tau rua ntuj ceebtsheej nua ne. leejtwg nim yuav
yuam leejtwg moog ntseeg yaam ub yaam nuav na. kuv hloov sab rua kev
ntseeg yog "freewill" individual. yog ua caag yuav xiam energy ntau
taag npaum le nuav rua xwbfwb? txhob chim-chim tsaam muaj ib nub
Vaajtswv ho hu koj moog ua xwbfwb nawb! koj nyuav ko tub tsi heev
npaum xwbfwb Povlauj es....nwg kaam yog ib tug kws ntxub hab tsim txom
cov ntseeg ntau tsaag koj phaav phaav npaug thaum kawg nwg tub nyoo
lawm es....kuv maam thov Vaajtswv zaam txim rua koj vim koj tsi paub
hab tsi totaub txug Vaajtswv txuj kev hlub hab kev cawmdlim....

noogdlej



On Dec 20 2011, 8:04 pm, Yaj Tshaj Koob <mutant_l...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Peb pom vaj tswv zoo li cas, vaj tswv los tsi muaj neeg pom, ua li dab
> ne puas muaj neeg pom thiab, tsi muaj leejtwg pom qhov tseeb.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB1n7hHTm0o&feature=related
>
> Tus Xib fwb no puag yog neeg paub cai, nej leej twg pom yawg no lub
> neej ho zoo npaum li cas lawm? ua cas yuav khav txiv loj npaum no,
> cuag li nws ya ib nta ntuj es yuav tsi txawj tuag li.
>
> Tus neeg uas xij muaj kev txob thuam lwm tus li kev ntseeg mas vim yog
> nws li txoj kev ntseeg tsi zoo txaus mas thiaj mus thuam luag lwm tus
> kev ntseeg. Leej twg pom vaj tswv zoo li cas ho tuaj piav qhia seb zoo
> li cas.
>
> Tswv Yesxus yog ib tus dab loj uas sawv daws tau teev nws txhua txhua
> lub caij noj mov yuav tau hu nws tuav nws lub npe, thiab txhua txhua 7
> hnub twg yuav tau mus teev dab yesxus ib zaug loj.
>
> Tej duab uas nws muab tso tawm ntawd yog leej twg pom tus dab tseeb
> coj los kos ua duab zoo li ntawd, ntseeg tau tias yog ib cov duab dag
> loj kawg nkaus, yog neeg ua tsi muaj nrrg pom.
>
> http://www.jesusdressup.com/
>
> Tus neeg ua daj tes raug ntsia rau saum ntoo khaub lig puas yog neeg
> txhaum? yog neeg txhaum thiaj mag ntsia ua daj tes li ntawd.
>
> http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/565111594/jesus.jpg
>
> Tus neeg uas yawg xibfwb ntawd teev saum toj no ua cas lub ntsej muag
> thiab tej qhov muag  yuav txaus ntshais ua luaj thiab ne, yog neeg los
> yog dab thiab maj cov kwv luag.
>
> Yog neeg ruam npaum no lawm tiag ces thov tsi txhob mus thej xab nam
> rau lwm tus tsam me ntsis raug tsuj nawb mog. Tus neeg ntse yeej tsi
> thuam hais lwm tus li kev teev hawm ib zaug li ntag ov, qhov nws thuam
> twb yog nws ntshai tsam lawv tsi los ntseeg nws tus dab qhuas xwb.
>
> YTK

[noogdlej]

Cwj es....

nyob huv lub nplajteb nuav, yeej muaj ntau tug tuabneeg kws ntshaw
nyaj, tug yuav txawj dlaag le caag los muaj, yuav moog tua tuabneeg
yuav nyaj los muaj, ntxag tuabneeg yuav nyaj los tau tabsi, peb yog ib
cov kws yuav lug ua thawjcoj rua tam nuav, thaum yug yuav has yaam
twg, cais yug cov lug kuam meej. has kuam suavdlawg yuav tau. yaam
tseeb yeej ua tsi tau cuav, yaam cuav yeej ua tsi tau tseeb mog.
Vaajtswv yog Vaajtswv. Yexus yog Yexus, dlaab yog dlaab, neej yog
neej. txuj kev ntseeg nyob huv nplajteb nuav, ib leeg yuam tsi tau ib
leeg mog. txawm muaj ib cov Hmoob coob moog ntseeg Yexus lawm los cov
tseem coj dlaab tsi txhob tu-tu sab hab vim sivyig tej tswbneeg los
yeej has tau tsi txaus ntseeg kag le hab mag....

noogdlej



On Dec 21 2011, 1:06 pm, cwjmem <cwj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Bawg MT,
>
> Koj yeej has yog kawg le lawm nawb.  Kuv tub has tas muaj le 150+
> dlaab qhuas kws tuab neeg nyob rua blaj teb nuav teev hab hawm.  Ib
> txuj kev ntseeg twg yeej tsis zoo tshaaj ib txuj.  Qhov kws tuab neeg
> tseem ntseeg ntawm tes yeej lug paab tau puab hab puab txhaj le tsis
> muab laim tseg.  Yus ntseeg yaam twg lawm sob thuam tuab neeg kws
> ntseeg lwm txuj kev ntseeg.  Puab yuav nyam tog tseej nub kom tug nyuj
> sawv es puab maam le moog le Indians lo yog puab txuj kev ntseeg.
>
> Ho moog ua MUSLIM lawm los yeej zoo hab, taab tsis sob moog muab blaum/
> luj tej es dla moog rua cov tuab neeg nyob coob es rub kag txhuj hlua
> tes tawg kag tuab neeg tua coob le lawm paab Muslim xwb tes tau lawm.
> Yog coj ncaaj, naim txiv faaj tim huab tais ntuj yeej muaj qhov muas
> saib yug.
>
> Yawg Tshaj,
>
> Tus XF no hais li no los yog nws hais kom cov neeg ruam, poj nrauj,
> neeg tsis muaj kawv muaj tij, neeg tsis paub dab los koom nws xwb.
> Yeem hais heev yeem muaj nyiaj li cov suav ntxias luam xwb mas.  Koj
> saib XF txawj Vag Koos ne, mus Church tua teeb mas yawg niam nrov tau
> ib me ntu thiab laiv. Ua li yawg XF txawj vag no yeej "serve" tau peb
> cov nkauj nrab thiab nraug tso ntau leej lawm nawb. Koj saib ma, tam
> sim no tsis muaj tej Church no ces Hmoob rov qab mus nrhiav tej nyuag
> Zaub mos noj tag tim blog lawm laiv.
>
> Koj thiab kuv yeej paub zoo hais tias tus xib hwb no ua ntxias nyiaj
> xwb, yam nws hais ntawm tsis raug, tsis yog dab tsi.  Nws XEV xwb.
> Koj sim kom nws tuaj nrog  koj los kuv peb sib CAM/DEBATE rau saum sam
> thiaj noj peb caug meb, nws yeej tsis kam tuaj li tiag.  Tej no ces
> tus XF no dag noj dab haus xwb.  Txhob cem no thiab vim nws mus kawm
> tawm los ntawm kev dag noj dab hauv nyob rau American
> University...Meka qhia li ntawm nev...
>
> Cov mus coj mab dawb cov dab qhuas, kuv twb pom ntau cases uas cov
> tuag mus tsis tau es niaj hmo los phov tais diav, bau suav los thov
> nyiaj, los qhia tias tshaib tshaib plab tsis muaj dab tsi noj li no
> laiv.
>
> Dab quas Hmoob yog ua raws li poj ua tseg yawm ua cia nawb.  Cov ciaj
> take care cov tuag txog ntawm sab dag zog (physical), ho cov tuag take
> care cov ciaj txog ntawm ntsuj plig (spiritual).  Peb Hmoob coj dab
> quas Hmoob los tau 5K xyoo lawm.  Yeej pab tau peb peb thiaj tsis tso
> tseg hov.  Niam txiv faj tim huab tais ntuj yeej qhia peb haiv neeg ib
> puas tsav yam los cawm peb cov neeg, taw kev rau tus tuag mus cuag
> nws, kab tshoob kev kos, neeb yaig (los tshoj, tsi ua mas tsis tau
> li), tshuaj ntsuab thaib lwm yam.  Txhob cia tej nyuag neeg dag noj
> dag hais li tus XF no los ntxias tau Hmoob noj Hmoob haus lawm.  Yog
> peb tsis mus lawm ces, thaum kawg yeej tig rov los coj dab xwb.  Koj
> sim saib meb, peb cov niag Doctors, lawyers, thaib tub lag luam los
> yeej kawg rov los nrhiav Hmoob xwb thiaj yuav tau noj tau haus.
>
> On Dec 21, 9:43 am, Mouatony <muat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Tijlaug YTK hab ib tsoom bojyaig,
>
> > Kev ntseeg hab teevhawm ce zoo le cov kila kws sibtw dhla xwb. Koj los
> > koj yeej tas koj yuav dhla kom txug tug cam, kuv los yeej khaav quas
> > ntxhas tas kuv mas yeej yuav dhla kom txug tug cam. Tswvntuj ce zoo le
> > tug referee, leej twg ua zoo ce tug ntawd tau zoo xwb. Txawm kuv yuav
> > ntseeg hab proclaim tas kuv mas ntseeg tshaaj mej los qhov ntawd
> > Tswvntuj tuab leeg txhaj paub xwb nawb.
>
> > Kuv naj nub xaav tas yaam twg ua yoojyim hab cobphum ce ua qhov ntawd
> > nuas xwb tabsi txawm leej twg xaav tas yaam yuav zoo tsua nwg abtsi
> > teev hab hawm moog. Yuav teev POBXEB POBNTOO, NYUJTWM los OK yog yaam
> > nwg nyam. Yog yuav ua zoo xaav ce xamxana zoo le tej ZAUBMOV kws peb
> > naj nub noj nuav xwb. Yaam koj nyam hab yuav zoo tsua yug lub plaab
> > hab lub cev ce noj, tabsi yaam yuav mob plaab hab noj taag es tshaav
> > sab sab heev, txawm yuav qaab npaum twg, ce tsum kag.
>
> > Muaj ib nub kuv tseem xaav tas yuav tau coj Moob moog ntseeg xamxana
> > Islam vim yuav hum Moob sab heev vim yuav tau nam yau, at most 4
> > wives. Tsi taag le kev cai tswjfwm mas nruj heev, tubsaab tub nyag
> > nyuav muaj tsawg.
>
> > Tijlaug YTK, tej kws XF. Txoojzeb Muas has ntawd koj ua tij xob mob
> > mob sab heev vim yog nwg txuj hauj lwm qhas Vaaj Yexu kev ntseeg es
> > koj ua tij sab luj nawb vim yug yog nak kassmoos thaum koj tau ua ib
> > tug Thawj coj lawm tseem yuav muaj ntau yaam tshaaj.
>
> > Regards,
>
> > MT

[Zoo]

Cwj, You absolutely correct. most people going to church to be served
and will be kicked out like you were.

heaven or nirvana are for the few, the chosen one. Only for those who
are utterly failed on earth and those whose have realized that
whatever he/she did on earth is just chasing after the wind and what
he/she created on earth is just a signature on water.

At church we are looking for people who are at thirst, thirsty for
God, for salvation, for truth. We are looking for people - people who
are curious and insearch of the mysterious. We are not looking for
parasites and souless like many of you.

[cwjmem]

He he he ....I will never SEARCH for your white-man religious
SALVATION. Hmong has our own god, why seek to pay others for
religious SOVATION? There is NO HEAVEN nor HELL...death is
guaranteed for all living things on earth, why worry about life after
death? What people remember you is what you have done on this
earth...that is your legacy...that's it!!!!

[Tony]

On Jan 3, 1:37 am, cwjmem <cwj...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hmong has our own god, why seek to pay others for
> religious SOVATION?   There is NO HEAVEN nor HELL...death is
> guaranteed for all living things on earth, why worry about life after
> death? What people remember you is what you have done on this
earth...that is your legacy...that's it!!!!

Yawm cwj,

You are inconsistent of your argument. Perhaps you are. Eat, drink,
be merry today and die tomorrow. That is it. Your are your own god
(the stomach). Death is 4x6x6. There's no soul. If there's no soul,
why hu plig? why tso plig? why thawjthab? How's the recycle of the
soul go again?

[Yaj Tshaj Koob]

On Jan 2, 11:26 pm, noogdlej <dlai...@yahoo.com> wro> ytk es....


Noogdlej,

Koj has tas....

> ..........kuv maam thov Vaajtswv zaam txim rua koj vim koj tsi paub

> hab tsi totaub txug Vaajtswv txuj kev hlub hab kev cawmdlim....

Vaajtswv nim yuav cawm dlim hov twg nej, yog cawm dlim tes twb tsi mag
kev pluj kev tuag le luas muas. Yog ua tau npaum le has tes twb tsi
maag ua dlaaj tes rua neeg nplaj teb saib les. Kuv twb yog ib tug XF
laug huv mej pawg ntseeg kws tshev tshev neej, kuv saib saib ces zoo
le xij tshev cov kws coj qub kev cai heev dhau hwv lawm tes kuv txaj
tawm moog tuaj saab PUJ YAWM TXWV TXOOB MOOB KEV CAI tawm tsam mej
ntaag luas mas, mej nam coj phem kawg le mas kuv yuav tsi rov lug xauj
ib zag le lawm nawb.


YTK

[cwjmem]

On Jan 3, 2:29 am, Tony <avang_...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> You are inconsistent of your argument.  Perhaps you are.  Eat, drink,
> be merry today and die tomorrow.  That is it.  Your are your own god
> (the stomach). Death is 4x6x6.  There's no soul. If there's no soul,
> why hu plig? why tso plig? why thawjthab?  How's the recycle of the
> soul go again?

He he he...

What is left to remember in this world is the LEGACY that you have
created while you are alive. Death is part of life of all living
things. So, eat all of what you want to eat, love and care for your
loved ones, care for others...so when you die, people will remember
you for a while. "nyob ua kom luag (neeg) vam txog, tuag kom luag
(neeg) hlub thiab nco". That's it my fellow Hmong brother.

Ntsuj plig..thaum ib leej twg tau tso lub ntiaj teb no tseg lawm,
Hmong tsuas (must do) taw kev, tshuab qeej tu sia, thiab tshuab qeej
sawv kev kom nws mus cuag poj cuag yawm (god, his creator). Tus neeg
no mus (tuag) puv ib tsug 13 hnub, ces lawv muab nws los tso plig
(free his soul from association with the physical world so that he can
go on for reincarnation). There is no HELL or HEAVEN, every soul is
guaranteed to reach his creator. From there on, it will depend on his
wish and god's mission for him on next life. So, why worry?

Christian is white-man way of life...Heaven and earth is created by
Christian men to control of men and make money out of men. There are
approximately 150 kinds of religions on earth, no one is better and
any other. But the religions that promote violence, service required
fees...are just plain FAKE. Seeking god has no cost and must be done
in individual, not through an institution (churches, mosques). Hmong
"Poj ua tseg yawm ua cia" is equally important to all the world
religious practices.

Everyone of us has a preset destination on earth, when he/her time
comes, no one can stop him/her from leaving this earth. Even a medical
doctors cannot do anything to prevent himself/herself from dying.

[noogdlej]

ytk....

oh...yog le hov lov? koj yog ib yawm xwbfwb ntxeev sab lov? cov
tuabneeg ntxeevsab ces yeej coj tug cwjpwm zoo le koj pav koj tug
kheej ko mas. txawm le ko los yog koj le freewill. tej lug kws puv
ncauj es yug has ntau ntau le koj kos ces yug yim has ntau yug yim
yuav tau sau ntau xwb mas. luas tej laug ib txwm hastas "dlaag neej
ces txaaj muag dlaag dlaab ces tuag." Has lug ces yug yog ib tug
txivneej txhob laam tau laam lug puv ncauj es ua puamtsuab khawv. If
God (Jesus) is for real, I am scare for you my friend!

noogdlej

[Hmong-Lao]

Cov phoojywg,
Yam li nej kuj sib cav txog zaj no los ntev lawm, ciav kuv ho los tham
me me seb puas kill tau lub topic no. Zam pub nawb, yog hais es ho
siab nej leej twg os.

Qhov tseeb, tus neeg paub tab yeej tsis lam thuam lwm leej lwm tus
txoj kev ntseeg. Tus uas yuav los ua tau ib tug zoo thawj coj, nws
yuav tsis muab txoj kev ntseeg saib hlob, nws yuav tsis coj txoj kev
ntseeg nruj nruj, nws yuav tsis ciav cais tias koj ntseeg Yesxus kuv
ntseeg Ntuj, nws yuav tsis ciav cais hais tias koj ntseeg hom church
no kuv ntseeg hom church tod, nws yuav tsis ciav cais hais tias koj
yog xya txim kuv yog cuaj txig etc..... Qhov tseeb, peb txhua leej
yeej muaj lub luag hauj lwm ua thawj coj; yam tsawg tsawg los yus yeej
ua yus cov me tub me nyuam tus thawj coj.

Tus neeg uas nws yuav txob thuam lwm tus, cia nws thuam nws kom zoo
nws lub siab, cia nws thuam nws kom nws tus kheej lub siab nqig seb
nws puas qab siab ua neeg. Yog yus muaj txoj kev ntseeg zoo lawm, leej
twg txawm thuam npaum li cas los yus lub siab yeej tseem ruaj npo rau
yam yus ntseeg. Yog luag ntxias dag tau yus mus ntseeg luag ces yog
yus lub siab yeej tseem ntseeg tsis tau ruaj rau yam kevcai dabqhuas
uas yus ntseeg ntawd xwb. Yog li ntawd, tsis txhob tu siab, mob siab,
chim siab rau tus neeg uas tuaj ntxias dag thiab thuam yus ntawd.

HL

[dony]

Cov phoojywg,

Kev ntseeg sib cam npaum li cas los yeej tsis muaj chaw xaus. Kuv pom
li HL hais thiab las mas yog tus neeg paub tab thiab yuav coj tau pej
xeem tsis yog cov niaj hnub muab kev ntseeg los sib cais.....Dony

[herst...@gmail.com]

เมื่อ วันพุธที่ 21 ธันวาคม ค.ศ. 2011, 9 นาฬิกา 4 นาที 11 วินาที UTC+7, Yaj Tshaj Koob เขียนว่า:

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