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Hmoob kev lis kev cai pam tuag muaj ntau qhov ntxiv tshiab rau tsis yog lawm.

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Yaj Tshaj Koob

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Apr 17, 2010, 9:11:56 PM4/17/10
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Hais txog Hmoob tej laus qaug, los sis dua nra, peb tsoom uas tseem
coj kev cai qub tau muaj ntau yam coj los tshooj txua ntxiv rau hauv
tsev xyom cuab txoj kev poob tsag, poob kev txom nyem lawm, xws li
nram no.

1). Tus thawj nyom cuab yog ntxiv tshiab.
2). Rub lub tsum muaj ntxuag nqaij hno dej cawv rau cov txiv qeej
zaum.
3). Muaj kev faib khoom noj, dej hau, mov qab zib xob yem cig tej qhua
txwg tug.
4). muaj nyuj nom rau nom tswv tuaj tua, thiab noj ntsov nyuj.
5). Txiv Hmab txiv ntoo txawb rau qhov txhia chaw rau neeg tuaj noj.
Tej li hais saum no yog cov kev uas ua yuam kev thiab khav theeb lawm.

Thaum ub Hmoob tej laus qaug los txog, poj ua rhawv kab yawm ua rhawv
kev los tsuas muaj li no xwb.

1). Tus kav xwm yog tus loj siab kawg uas lis tas nrho ib puas tsav
yam, hauv lub ntees tsev neeg ploj qaug ntawd, yog dab tsis tsis txawm
peem ces kav xwm tsuas mus nug tus tswv tsev, tus txiv los sis tus tub
ntawm tsev neeg ntawd xwb. tsis muaj thawj kav xwm.

2). Kev noj hau tsuas ywj tshwj kab ua tau li cas ces rau tau tiav ces
txhij qhua nce tsum noj li ntawd xwb, muaj noj tshais, muaj noj sus,
muaj noj hmo, tej qhua txwg tuag leej twg tuaj ncaj los li tau noj,
tuaj tsis ncaj los yeej tsis tau noj los tsis ua cas.

Tej txiv qeej los puav leej koom tib tsum mov hu qhua noj nrog ua ke,
yog tshuav cov uas tseem tshov qeej tsis tau xaus, thaum xaus qeej
lawm li rau ib qho rau nkawm noj ua qab xwb.

Tsis tas nim yuav- yuav txiv hmab txiv ntoo los noj peb hnub peb hmos
tsis tu ncua, ntiaj teb tsis coj li Hmoob coj no, yog ua li hmoob ua
no puas yog sawv daws hlub tsev neeg xyom cuab ntawd maj, pam dhau
lawv niam lawv txiv tas ces lawv tshuav tsheej tog nqi them tsis paub
tas puas zoo thiab, tsev ploj tsev tuag mas ua li thaum tej laus ua
mas thiaj yog thiaj raug.

Yav no rau tom, yav pem suab mas Hmoob yuav tau ua kom tsawg zuj zus
mus kom tsev neeg xyom cuab thiaj tsis poob nyiaj ntau dhau.

Qhov yuav muaj rau qhua tau hau ces yog cov dej dawb xwb, tab sis muab
cia rau tib lub rooj yog leej twg nqhis li mus muab hau, nyias mam mus
muab nyias xwb yeej tau lawm. Tsis yog tsev noj tsev hau tsev tos
qhua.

Hais txog kev zov hmo los tsis tas yuav nyob ib hmo kaj ntug, nyob ib
hmos kaj ntug los yeej tsis tau dab tsis, tsuas nyob txog 10 teev hmo
ntuj xwb tso tseg, mus tsev tas kig mam rov tuaj, tej neeg hauv tsev
thiaj tsis tsaug zog, thiaj pauj taus qhua.

Tsis tas li los Hmoob tseem saib dej ua ntu saib neeg ua hplu, tus
neeg uas ua neej nyob muaj koob muaj npe muaj nyiaj muaj txiaj ploj
qaug, hmoob tuaj coob pab nyiaj ntau, tus uas tsis nrov koob npe tsis
muaj nyiaj ploj qaug Hmoob tuaj tsawg nyiaj kuj pab tsawg, yog yuav
muab hais rau sab ntuj kev ncaj ncees ces twb tsis haum yawm saub lub
siab lawm thiab. Qhov zoo tshaj ces peb pom tias tus ntawd yog neeg
txom nyem mas peb yuav tau muab nyiaj pab ntau dua mas thiaj yog,
thiaj tau koob hmoov.

Tus neeg nplua nuj ces peb muab nyiaj ntau rau los yeej tsis nco yus
txiaj ntsig, tus neeg txom nyem mas peb muab tsawg rau los nco yus
txiaj ntsig tsis txawj tas.


YTK

Yaj Tshaj Koob

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Apr 17, 2010, 9:28:10 PM4/17/10
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Kuv sau yuam kev ntawm nqe 1 sob lus kawg nkaus ntawm kab xaus mas yog
kuv hais tias tsis muaj tus thawj xyom cuab no ov, "tsis yog hais tus
thawj kav xwm."

Victor Yang

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Apr 18, 2010, 12:14:06 PM4/18/10
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> thawj kav xwm."- Hide quoted text -
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Kuv yog ib tug ua ntseeg kevcai tshiab lawm, tabsi kuv niam kuv txiv
thiab cov kwvtij lawv tseem coj kevcai qub. Cov npe lu koj hais tag
los no txawm yog qub/tshiab los peb yeej tseem coj ib yam.

1. Thawj xomcuab. Nyob nplogteb cov ntees tuag loj mas Hmoob yeej
muaj thawj xyomcuab lawm, tabsi nyob ntawm lub ntees yog tus txiv
cuabtsav txheeb tsev xyomcuab ces tsis muaj thawj xyomcuab, yog
cuabtsav kem zog lawm mas yeej muaj tus thawj xyomcuab sawvcev cov
tubki tsevneeg uas plojtuag kom yooj yim rau kev sablaj. Tabsi
cuabtsav yog tus loj thiab sawv cev tag tsev xyomcuab, yog tus laig
dab, phim muam phauj txiv dablaug. Peb cov Hmoob ntseeg Vajtswv lawm
tsis muaj cuabtsav lawm, vim muaj xibfwb, tsab si tseem muaj thawj
xyomcuab. Tamsim no peb cov Hmoob tseem coj kevcai qub muaj cuabtsav,
thawj xyomcuab, kavxwm, tshwjkab, niam ua mov vim lub ntes twg los
Hmoob ua loj.

2. Kavxwm. cov Kavxwm yog cov li lub ntes ploj ntes tuag, kev noj
kev haus, tej haus nquas thiab lwm yam, lawv yog cov saib cov niam ua
mov txiv ua zaub, txiv qeej txiv nruas. Kavxwm nws muaj nws haujlwm
tsis cuamtsuam cuabtsav or thawj xyomcuab.

3. Hais txog kev noj kev haus, txiv hmab txiv ntoos, teeb rooj rau
txivqeej txivnruas tswjkab kavxwm kev neej kev tsav mas yog tsev
xyomcuab xwb, lawv xav hais tias lawv tau kev tsaus ntuj, vim muaj
sawv daws tuaj mus pab, tuaj nrog lawv nyob hnub thawm hmo, hmo thawm
hnub es lawv ua kom tsim nyog sawvdaws txoj kev hlub, tsis tag li xwb
lawv niam lawv txiv yug los ua neeg ib zaug rau hauv ntiajteb no, tu
tau lawv lojhlob, lawv muaj cuab muaj yim, lawv niam lawv txiv tuag
ces lawv xav kom tau ib lub zoo ntes.

Tijlaug Yaj Tshajkoob, koj cov lus nug yeej zoo kawg, kuv pom mas
tamsim no Hmoob cov ntes mas Hmoob ua loj dhau lawm, peb cov coj
kevcai tshiab lawv nyob Minnesota mas ib lub ntees tag $25,000-
$40,000, tabsi cov tseem coj kevcai qub mas tag $40,000-$60,000, Hmoob
pam 3 hnub 3 hmo. Puas tsim nyog Hmoob yuav tsum tso nqee yam tseg?


Victor

Yaj Tshaj Koob

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Apr 18, 2010, 12:32:10 PM4/18/10
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Kwv Victor,


Kuv xav mas yuav tau muab qee yam tso pov tseg, mas yuav zoo dua tus
neeg tuag lawm ces txawm yuav ua tau loj thiab zoo npaum li cas los
mus tsis txog twg li, qhov loj ces nrhiav kom tau lub zoo chaws rau
xwb, txawm tau lub zoo chaw los yuav tsum yog tub ki muab siab rau-
rau lub neej mas thiaj zoo taus, hauv tsev xyom cuab ces tsuav muaj
txiv cuab tsav, muaj tus kav xwm lawm ces xuv rau ob tus no los lis
xwb, thaum twg muaj yam twg tsis txaus ces mam nug xyoom cuab xwb. Tus
ua loj loj los tsuas zoo li, tus ho ua me me xwb los tsuas zoo li tsis
muaj yuav txawv ntau ua luaj twg.

Hmoob yuav tau muab ntaau yam kev noj kev hauv tso pov tseg.


YTK

cwjmem

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Apr 18, 2010, 2:04:15 PM4/18/10
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Ob yawg sim qhia seb kev cai pam tuag nyob rau Hmoob kev cai lawv cov
hauj lawm yog dab tsi?

1. Cuab tsav - Funeral manager/director - role play
2. Xyom cuab - family & relative - role play
3. Txiv qeev - txiv nruas - role play
4. Niam ua mov - role play
5. Maum phuaj - role paly
6. Txiv dab laug - role play
7. Hauv qhua - cov txheeb ze thiab yuav hu...tshaj xo rau
8. Hauv qhua txooj thiab hauv qhua tab - txhais li cas?
9. tshwj kab - role play
10. Kav xwm - role pay

Pauv los ua sai puas tau? Ua raws li no.

1. Taw kev (zaj)
2. Tsov qeev taw kev
3. Qeej tsa neeg
5. Hauv qhua
6. Qeej sawv kev

** Hais xim thiab foom kom yog optional. Yog ua lawm, ua kom luv

Please educate us, thanks!!

Yaj Tshaj Koob

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Apr 19, 2010, 7:48:02 AM4/19/10
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Tus kwv Cwjmem,


Hmoob tej kab ke pam tuag mas nim no lawv txawm tsis hloov los xij,
yog Hmoob muaj taus teb chaws ces peb yuav muab hloov hlo tas nrho
lawm, tsuas tshuav me ntsis qee yam lawm xwb.

Tej hauv dej hauv num, kav xwm, tshwj kab, niam ua mov, txiv txiag,
txiv cuab tsav, taw kev tab sis taw txawv hlo qhov qub lawm.

Tsis muaj rab qeej thiab lub nruas coj los tshuab rau tus tuag lawm.
Kev hais xim los sis foom kom Hmoob yuav tsis ua hmo ntuj lawm, yuav
muab kho mus ua nruab hnub, yuav tsis pub txhos caug pe lawm, yuav rub
rooj rau tsev xyom cuab los zaum mloog tej lus qhuab ntuas kev ua neej
lawm xwb, thaum qhuab ntuas lawm sawv daws yuav tau zaum ntsiag to
mloog xwb.

Tej uas koj hais tias pauv los ua sai puas tau ntawd, kuv hais rau koj
paub tias yog Hmoob tsis muaj teb chaws ces yuav pauv tau los yuav mus
ntev li pauv tau, vim tsis muaj leej twg yuav yog tus uas yog tus
thawj uas sawv daws ntseeg tau tau, ces koj ua kuv tsis yuav, kuv hais
koj tsis mloog li.

Thaum Hmoob muaj teb chaws lawm mas peb ua txhua yam ntawd yog peb
hloov kho hauv lub tuam tsev rooj ncauj lug, "Congress," tawm tuaj
lawm mas tsis pub leej twg hla dhau li ntag mas thiaj tau. yog leej
twg tseem tawv nyom ua dhau txoj cai hauv rooj ncauj lug ces yuav raug
mus xyaum kom nws tus kheej paub qhov tseeb ces yeej kho tau xwb xwb
li ntag.

Hauv Hmoob lub rooj ncauj lug mas peb yuav hloov tsis pub tua nyuj
ntau, tsis muaj hauv qhua ntau lawm, kev tua tsiaj tsuas pub tua los
ua zaub noj, los twb tsis pub tua ntau thiab. Tsuas pub muaj kev sib
pab yam uas ua siab dawb paug xwb, Hmoob yuav tsa muaj ib pawg neeg
los ua dej num "permanent" muaj nyiaj hli noj rau tej yam tej yam dej
num uas Hmoob ib txwm ua ntawd nyob rau tej lub zos los sis tej nroog
kom muaj thoob plaws, tab sis tsis pub siv dej cawv ntau lawm. tej kev
yam twg tshwm sim rau thaj twg lub nroog twg ces lub nroog ntawd pawg
neeg dhia dej num ntawd yuav tau los lis kom dhau mus.

Tej li kuv hais no los yuav yog Hmoob muaj chaw nyob Hmoob kheej lawm
tiag tiag mas peb thiaj ua tau mus rau qhov kom zoo nkauj tiag tiag.


YTK

kwvtijhmoob

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py ytk--

> 1). Tus thawj nyom cuab yog ntxiv tshiab.
> 2). Rub lub tsum muaj ntxuag nqaij hno dej cawv rau cov txiv qeej
> zaum.
> 3). Muaj kev faib khoom noj, dej hau, mov qab zib xob yem cig tej qhua
> txwg tug.
> 4). muaj nyuj nom rau nom tswv tuaj tua, thiab noj ntsov nyuj.
> 5). Txiv Hmab txiv ntoo txawb rau qhov txhia chaw rau neeg tuaj noj.
> Tej li hais saum no yog cov kev uas ua yuam kev thiab khav theeb lawm.

raws li kuv soj ntsuam hmoob tej kev cai, txheej txheem (some calls it
dab qhuas) yog pauv los raws lub sij hawm (society, era or situation).
piv txwv li (some examples):
1. muaj ib co hmoob cov ntxa mas lawv txhim pob zeb vim thaum ub lub
caij ntawd suav pheej khawb khawb hmoob cov ntxa
2. muaj ib co hmoob thaum tsa nees lawv muab tus tuag lub cev dai pem
hauv plag vim cov no thaum ub lub caij ntawd lawv yog neeg muaj nyiaj
ces lawv rho nees (real horse) thauj mus faus.
3. ib co hmoob muab txawb pem hauv plag vim thaum ub lub caij ntawd
lawv yog cov no yog cov txom nyem tsis muaj nees thauj ces lawv kwv
xwb
4. ib co muab zwm rau lub hleb, cov no thaum ub lub caij ntawd lawv
yog cov nyob nrog mab sua ces lawv ua li mab sua. tam sim no ces peb
ua li mab sua (ua li mekas lawm) ntag.
5. cov vaj caiv qab cub vim thaum ub tub nyab pheej tau ev niag txiv
yawg ces tus hluas nraug thiaj nyiag los muab niag txiv yawg pov kub
nyhiab tuag lawm ces thiaj muaj kev caiv.
6. cov yaj caiv plawv vim thaum ub lawv tau muab 1 tug tub ruam tua
rho nws lub plawv coj los laig dab lawm thiaj tau caiv

i could go on and on, but the bottom is everything we do has a
reason. tam sim no hmoob yeej ntxiv ntau ntau yam tshiab nyob rau
hmoob tej funeral los vim hmoob tuaj rau teb chaws no ces sawv daws ua
lub neej muaj lawm.

the question is tej no puas yog ib qho zoo los phem? rau kuv mas kuv
xav tias leej twg yuav ua li cas los tsuav nws muaj tsab peev xwm
thiab muaj nyiaj xwb es tsis txhob ua txhaum txoj cai xwb ces kav
liam. qhov tsis xav kom pauv ces tsuas yog xav kom hmoob txos lub sij
hawm kom luv xwb. kuv xav kom hmoob cov funeral mas yuav tsum muab
txo cov sij hawm li nram no.
1. open friday - monday but close at 11:00pm every night except
sunday night
2. friday - sunday open 24 hrs - problem is some cementary has no
service for burial on sunday.
3. saturday - monday open 24 hrs.

Yaj Tshaj Koob

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Tus kwv-Kwv tij Hmoob,


Tej li koj hais yeej yog lus thiab yeej muaj li koj hais lawm nawb,
yeej yog mus raws li qhov situation lub caij nyoog, kev noj nyob rau
lub tsam thawj zoo cas yuav tau yoog coj mus zoo li ntawd, tab sis
Hmoob tsis txhob muab ua ntau dhau li qhov uas yus Hmoob yuav ua tau,
luag mab suav Asmeskas mas cuaj tus kaum tus lawv ua mus tib yam ntau
xwb, qhov txawv ces tsuas yog cov uas ua nom tswv loj ces lawv ua raws
li kev cai nom tswv lawm.

Kuv xav tias lam muab tham qho me ntsis xwb uas, qhov loj ces yog tus
neeg tsis muaj teb chaws ces yeej ua mus tsis tau ib txoj kab kom mus
tau zoo sib xws li luag pej kum cuab haiv neeg li.

YTK

noogdlej

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Apr 19, 2010, 11:25:44 AM4/19/10
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ytk os ytk awwwwwww......

niag tsov tom awwwwwww......ua cas yuav nrog tsev neeg Hmoob Yang txaj
muag ua luaj. Thaum koj mus convert ua dab Yexus es cov ntseeg tso
nyiaj rau vijham los khib khib khib koj siab thiab khuv khuv khuv xim
nyiam mas cuag nkaus thaum koj tso ntiajteb tseg koj yuav ev tas nro
koj cov pib liab tib si mus.

Tsam no saib saib txiv nplig lawv muab khoom vaj khoom tsev pub dawb
rau koj tas ces ho khwv ceg rov los coj qub kev cai. OMG....es tsam
no ho complain tuaj haistias sawvdaws muab mus noj loj noj haus dhau
hwv lwm rau thaum ib tsev muaj ib siab ob nqis. nim noj txiv hmab
txiv ntoo 3 hnub 3 hmos ntse tsev xyom cuab yuav pluag mus.

Peb tiamneeg no tsi yog tiam qub thaud lawm nawb. Tiam no yog tiam
neeg uas muaj noj muaj haus muaj suab muaj npe. Yog ib tsev neeg
Hmoob uas muaj siab loj siab dav, noj tsis ntsaig pluag noj tsi ntshai
tuaj lawm nawb. Luag tuaj noj koj los luag yeej nqa tshav ntuj thiab
dag zog kev hlub tuaj rau koj lawm laiv. Tebchaws tiam no sijhawm yog
sijhawm nawb. Tsi yog sawvdaws tshaib tshaib nqe nqe es nim zov rawv
tuaj noj xyom cuab nawb mog.

Lub siab coj nqaim li ntawm koj mas kav tsij tsa koj daim chij dawb
thiab txhob niaj hnub tuaj tham tham tias yuav ua cas Hmoob thiaj
vammeej.

noogdlej


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noogdlej

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YTK,

Cia kuv piav ib zaj dabneeg rau koj mloog.

Muaj ib niag yawg mas thaum ua neej nyob ntiaj teb mas qiaaaaaaa dub
tag zaj tag zos li. Ib lub mov poob hauv hav xwb los yuav tsum khaws
kom tau rov los rau saum rooj tib si. Muaj ib hnub nws txawm ua ib
mov poob rau hauv av thiab ib tus ntsaum txawm tuaj muab kwv mus faum
rau hauv av. Thaum nws pom lis ntawd nws mus nqa hlo nws rab hlau
thiab muab tus ntsaum ntawd caum khawb nuav laug tau ib nyuag ncov
roob.

Tsis ntev tom qab ntawd, nws txojsia txawm tu thiab nws tau tuag
lawm. Thaum nws mus txog hauv tub tuag teb, mas nws pluag heev li.
Nws mas tshaib los tshaib ho qhi los nqi, mus thov leejtwg los luag
tsi kam pub rau nws li vim thaum tseeem ua neej nws lub siab nqaim
heev thiab yeej pub tsis tau rau ib tus twg kiag li. Muaj ib hnub nws
niag tsaum uas nws mus caum caum nws lub nyuag mov ntawd txawm nqa tau
ib tais mov tuaj pub nws noj thiab hais rau nws tias, "hwb ntawm no
yog lub nyuag mov uas koj nim caum caum kuv khawb luaj ib nyuag miv
roob na."

YTK,

Kuv qhov post pes tas kuv hais lub tau siab koj mentsi lawm vim kuv
xam pom tias koj yog ib tus neeg uas mob siab Hmoob kawg koj thiaj
niaj hnub tuaj tham txog kev txhim kho peb Hmoob kom zoo. Tiamsi kuv
pom tias koj tseem coj tau nqaim hwv lawm. Yuav ua ib tus thawj coj
thiab yuav txim kho ib lub tebchaws, yus yuav tsum yog ib tus neeg
muab siab dawb siab zoo, siab loj siab dav thiab muaj zeem muag deb.
Yus yuav tsum tuag tau rau yus haiv neeg thiab yuav ua ib tus neeg uas
qhib rawv yus lub hlwb rau txoj kev hloov mus rau qhov zoo thiab xam
pom tej neeg ua zoo. Koj yeej pom zem zuag lawm tiamsi yog koj qhib
koj lub siab thiab koj lub hlwb mentsi thiab xwb ces yuav take tau koj
mus rau the "right" track lawm nawb.

Few thoughts for you:


"Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far
one can go." T.S. Elliot

"All that we are is the result of what we have thought." Buddha

"Real success comes in small portions day by day. You need to take
pleasure in life's daily little treasures. It is the most important
thing in measuring success." Denis Waitley


"If you have much, give of your wealth; if you have little, give of
your heart." Arabian Proverb


"Only a life lived for others is worth living." Albert Einstein

Noogdlej


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Hmong-Lao

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Cov phoojywg dawvdaws,
Nej sawvdaws yeej hais yog lus lawm. Peb Moob txoj kabke pam tuag no
tau hloov los lawm ntau lawm, tej yam kuj hloov los rau qhov zoo,
tejyam kuj hloov los rau qhov uas tsis tsimnyog lawm. Kuv los yeej xav
kom peb hloov thiab tso tseg tejyam uas tsis tsimnyog ua thiab. Vim
kuv tseem coj kevcai qub thiab nyob US, kuv yuav hais raws li cov coj
kevcai qub thiab nyob US no xwb.

Tus thawj xyom cuab - OK
Txiv cuab tsav - OK
Kavxwm, tshwjkab, niam ua mov - txo kom tsawg
Txiv qeej txiv nruas - txo kom tsawg
Txiv txiag - tso tseg lawm
Qeej-Nruag - txo kom tsawg lossis tso tseg kiag.
Sijhawm - txo kom tsawg
Kev noj haus - txo kom tsawg
Kev tua tsiaj - txo kom tsawg
Kev ntawg tsiaj - hloov tau OK lawm
Kev quaj - OK
Kev nyiav - tso tseg (txias siab heev)
Kev hu hauv qhua - OK
Kev faib hauv qhua su - tso tseg (muab cov qaib los ua ib pluas su
xwb)
Kev txhib ncig - OK
Kev tiam tshwj - txo kom tsawg
Kev muab tus me ntses - txo kom tsawg lossis tso tseg
Hais xim - txo kom tsawg
Kev tso plig - muab tsawm tseg (Yog tuag muaj ntees lawm ces tsis thas
tso plig)

HL

Yaj Tshaj Koob

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Tus kwv noogdlej,


Kuv zoo sab kws koj tseem tuaj nrug peb dla tswv yim txij taug txij
peg hab, kuv has rua koj tas kuv tsis yog tuab neeg qa dlub hab chim
taug hab ua sab nqaim le kws lub sab xaav, tuab neeg lub sab xaav xwb
tes xu dleb heev ntawm qhov kev kws peb suav dlawg yuav tho ua moog
kom txog ncua ntawm lub chaw nyob. kev koj kuv peb suav dlawg tuaj sib
caav ncauj rua huv nuav yog yuav ua rua kuas peb lub tswv yim hloov
zuj zus tuaj moog rua qhov kws zoo nkauj dlua qub tuaj.

Ua ib paab tuab neeg yog txawj sib caav tawm tswv yim, muaj sib tshe
mas lub neej txhaj le txawj hloovmoog, cov kws coj kev cai dab qhuas
Yesxus los yuav tau coj le Vajtswv cov lug ntuag lug qhuab qha xwb
tsis xob moog dhau qhov kev kws Vajtswv has tseg, cov coj qub kev cai
daab qhuas los tsis xob txawj txawj ua kws tshab es xij ntxiv ntau zuj
zug tuaj, txawm tas tug loj tus me, tug hlub tug yau los thaum tuag
lawm ces taub hau sib txig xwb, vim coj moog faus nrug dlaim npoo aav
sib txig zog xwb tes txhais tau tas thaum taag sim neej lawm tes yog
nyob sib txig lawm.

Txawm tas nyob rua txuj kev cai twg los suav dlawg yuav tau muab kho
moog rua qhov kws tas tsis xob noj caij nyoog ntau ntau, tsis txhob
nkim nkim sij hawm rua tuab yaam num miv miv xwb los yuav muab ua rua
nkim caij ib nub nkaus le ntawd mas yog yus cov tuab neeg tsis tau
txawj siv caij nyog ua neej nyob rua huv qaab ntuj nuav le luas lwm
tsaav tuab neeg kws puab muaj teb chaws lawm tag tag.

Kuv xaav tas tej kws koj has rua kuv saum mas yeej tsis tau sab rua
kuv le nua, yog yuav ua rua kuas tswv yim tawm tuaj tag tag mas tseem
yuav tau has nyaav dlua hov hab mas yaam le kws tej quav nyaab nplej
es yuav muab lug tsi kom tau roj coj lug kib zaub noj xwb ntaag mas
yuav tau nrhav lub zoo tswv yim lug tsuam nas kom nyaav le nyaav tau
mas, kua roj kua tsib tawm tuaj has ua nrav lug hab paaj lug tawm tuaj
ntaag lauj.

Yog yuav nrug nlpaj teb sib tw nua mas, yog koj ua sab zoo dlhau los
tsis tau ib zag le, yog ua lub sab phem dlhau hwv los tsis tau ib zag
hab, nplaj teb yuav has yug lawm. yuav tau ua kom has tas yog nyuj
qaug lawm mas, tseev kom tug rwg qaij kag hab ntaag mas hum kag ntaag
lauj.

Peb Hmoob muab ua loj dhau rua txuj kev pluj qaug uas yog txuj kev kws
twb xaus taag lawm xwb, peb nov qaab lub neej peg suab yaav tom ntej
kws tej xeeb leej xeeb ntxwv yuav noj nyob moog tsis taag tsis kawg
ntawd. Tej kev kws peb Moob yuav sib paab tag tag mas yog txuj kev kws
thaum peb tseem ua neej nyob muaj txuj sa khov kho tes yog caij nyoog
kws peb yuav tau sib paab pis nroog tag tag le ov, Hmoob yuav muaj
teb chaws los yog Moob ob txhais teg nrug lub tswv yim ua, Moob yuav
zoo los yog Moob ob txhais teg nrug rua lub tswv yim ua, tsis muaj
leej twg yuav laam paab Hmoob dlawb ib zag le. Nplaj teb yuav qhuas
Hmoob ces yuav tsum yog Hmoob sib pab Hmoob kom Hmoob muaj chaws nyob
chaw txoos ruaj khov ces luag thiaj qhuas Hmoob xwb. Zoo li Hmoob niaj
hnub nim no xwb ces neeg ntiaj teb twb saibHmoob tsis muaj nqis ib
nyuag qhov li.


YTK

Mouatony

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Tijlaug Yaaj Tshaaj Koob,


Kuv agree le koj has nuav hab. Yog yuav hloov mas yuav tsum yog thaum
Moob nyob tau rua ib lub vaaj los yog ib thaaj teb xwb. Thaum ntawd
yuav hloov tau yoojyim vim Moob lub xabpha yuav yog lub hlwb hloov
txuj kev teev dlaab qhuas, kev paam tuag, kev tshoob kug, kev cai
lijchoj, kev coj noj coj ua. Tsi le ntawd ce txawj pib tau los enforce
tsi tau rua Moob siv.

Thanks,

MT

Hmong-Lao

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PY Mouatony & YTK,
Neb xav li ntawd los yeej yog kawg, tabsis kuv ho xav hais tias tsis
tas kom yog muaj tebchaws es mam los txhim kho Moob kablis kevcai.

1. Tabtxawm peb muaj tebchaws los tsoomfwv tsis tsimnyog tsim tej cai
los kav cultural thiab religion practices. Why? Vim nws yuav covnyom
nrog nrog rau txoj kevcai lijchoj ntiajteb hais tias "txhua leej muaj
vajhuam rau fab kablis kevcai (culture) thiab kevcai dabqhuas
(religion). Thiab vim ib lub techaws twg nws yuav muaj ntau ntau tsav
neeg sibkoom uake nyob rau hauv, yuav muaj ntau ntau txoj kablis
kevcai, thiab kevcai dabquas nyob rau hauv.

2. Tabtxawm peb tsis muaj tebchaws los pebyeej hloovpauv tau peb tej
kablis kevcai uas tsis zoo thiab tsis raug ntsej raug muag. How? Ib
suab hu xwb peb yuav hloov tsis tau, tabsis yog peb majmam siv lub
sijhawm, sib cog qhia sib cog kawm, yam zoo peb siv yam phem peb tso
tseg, tus ua tau zoo peb qhuas tus ua tau tsis zoo peb thuam, tsimtsa
koomhaum cultural & religious center los txhimkho thiab rhawv tus qauv
rau sawdaws coj mus xyaum. Ib hnub twg peb yeej yuav hloov zujzus mus
rau qhov zoo.

HL

dony

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YTK,

Kuv yeej agree nrog koj hais tias peb Hmoob txoj kev pam tuag muaj
qhov yam yeej muab ua loj dhau qhov tsim nyog lawm li koj hais txog
qhov kev noj haus. Kuv pom hais tias tej dej thiab khoom noj uas muab
pov tseg muaj kwv yees li 1/3. Tsis tas mas muaj tej tsev yim neeg
uas txom nyemm mas tej kwv tij yeej tsis paub hais tias lawv txom nyem
li. Lawv yeej kom ua xws twb xws chaw yog tsis li ntawd ces yeej tsis
kam tuaj nta lub ntees.

Hmong-Lao,

Kuv agree nrog koj . Yog yuav tos kom muaj teb chaws mam pauv mas
ntshai yuav tsis muaj hnub pauv li lau. Yog yuav pauv ces cia li pauv
xwb..

Dony

Yaj Tshaj Koob

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Tus kwv Dony,

Tej uas koj hais tias tej kwv tij yeej tuaj hais ub hais no yuav kom
ua li lawv hais yog tsis muaj npaum ub npaum no nyiaj los nta lub
ntees ces lawv yeej tsis tuaj lis tsis nta lub ntees ntawd mas muaj
tseb nawb.

Hais txog qhov hloov kho ntawd mas peb hloov nim no los tau tab sis
yuav siv sij hawm ntev heev li kho tau, vim tias Hmoob mas zoo li cov
nqeeb uas tuaj puv nkaus rau ub rau no tsis muaj lub hauv paus caag
ruaj thiag es ncau hauv tuaj mus xwb ho, nws nyob muaj ntau ntau lub
hauv paus, txawm kho tau ib qho los tseem tshuav lwm qhov thiab ces ua
mus mus los los tsis muaj chaw xaus tias yuav yuav qhov twg tiag tiag.

YTK

ted...@gmail.com

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Tus tij laug unknown, kuv zoo siab pom nej cov ua tij los yog ua txiv cov lus qhia txog kev lis kev cai ntawm Hmoob kev los xaus ib leeg twg lub neej thaum nws tag ib sim neej hauv lub ntiaj teb no.

Kuv agree tias, peb yuav tau reduce kom ntau li ntau tau, tab sis txhob poob ntawm cov nqe tseem ceeb xwb li koj hais tseg:

1. Taw kev (zaj)
2. Tsov qeev taw kev
3. Qeej tsa neeg
5. Hauv qhua
6. Qeej sawv kev

Hais txog ntawm cov thawj lwm tub ncig txij tus thawj kav xwm mus rau tus niam ua mov, peb txhob muab cov tsiaj txhu uas peb npaj los rau lub ntees faib lawm - peb yuav tau nrhiav ib txoj kev (fair compensation) los thov lawm lub dag zog. Es Hmoob txhob hnov qab txoj kev kev rov los sib pab, es txhob muab kev noj haus, kev siv tsiaj txhu thiab kev tau lub txiaj ntsim ua qhov loj.

Kuv yog ib tug tub tshaj xov xwm hauv www.crossings TV, kuv pab Hmoob txhua hnub txhua hmo los pab tsis txawj dhau li. Ntseeg tias peb yuav tau pauv, thiab pauv kom sai. Txhob ua ib zaug pauv xwb, tab sis gradually pauv, pib li cov nqe lus tau hais tag los sauv ua ntej.

Kuv xav tias peb tsis pib ces tsis muaj leej twg pib lawm. Kev cai dab qhuas Hmoob yog ib yam tseem ceeb regardless tias peb yuav txauv thiab mus ntseeg rau txoj kev cai twg. Kuv xav tias txhua txoj yeej zoo tag.

Email kuv yog nej cov ua tij los yog ua txiv muaj tswv yim zoo. Kuv xav tias cia xyeej sij hawm mentsis, kuv yuav los nrog cov niam txiv tseem ceeb uas tseem nrog peb nyob tham kom meej thiab tsim ib txoj alternative kev cai pam tuag rau peb hauv neeg siv (rau cov uas yeem siv).

Ua Tsaug

Ted Vang

Hmong-Lao

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On Nov 1, 1:20 pm, tedv...@gmail.com wrote:
> Tus tij laug unknown, kuv zoo siab pom nej cov ua tij los yog ua txiv cov lus qhia txog kev lis kev cai ntawm Hmoob kev los xaus ib leeg twg lub neej thaum nws tag ib sim neej hauv lub ntiaj teb no.
>
> Kuv agree tias, peb yuav tau reduce kom ntau li ntau tau, tab sis txhob poob ntawm cov nqe tseem ceeb xwb li koj hais tseg:
>
> 1. Taw kev (zaj)
> 2. Tsov qeev taw kev
> 3. Qeej tsa neeg
> 5. Hauv qhua
> 6. Qeej sawv kev
>
> Hais txog ntawm cov thawj lwm tub ncig txij tus thawj kav xwm mus rau tus niam ua mov, peb txhob muab cov tsiaj txhu uas peb npaj los rau lub ntees faib lawm - peb yuav tau nrhiav ib txoj kev (fair compensation) los thov lawm lub dag zog. Es Hmoob txhob hnov qab txoj kev kev rov los sib pab, es txhob muab kev noj haus, kev siv tsiaj txhu thiab kev tau lub txiaj ntsim ua qhov loj.
>
> Kuv yog ib tug tub tshaj xov xwm hauvwww.crossingsTV, kuv pab Hmoob txhua hnub txhua hmo los pab tsis txawj dhau li. Ntseeg tias peb yuav tau pauv, thiab pauv kom sai. Txhob ua ib zaug pauv xwb, tab sis gradually pauv, pib li cov nqe lus tau hais tag los sauv ua ntej.
>
> Kuv xav tias peb tsis pib ces tsis muaj leej twg pib lawm. Kev cai dab qhuas Hmoob yog ib yam tseem ceeb regardless tias peb yuav txauv thiab mus ntseeg rau txoj kev cai twg. Kuv xav tias txhua txoj yeej zoo tag.
>
> Email kuv yog nej cov ua tij los yog ua txiv muaj tswv yim zoo. Kuv xav tias cia xyeej sij hawm mentsis, kuv yuav los nrog cov niam txiv tseem ceeb uas tseem nrog peb nyob tham kom meej thiab tsim ib txoj alternative kev cai pam tuag rau peb hauv neeg siv (rau cov uas yeem siv).
>
> Ua Tsaug
>
> Ted Vang

Phoojywg Ted Vang,
Zoo siab uas koj rov muab qhov topic no rov los tham dua. Yog muaj zoo
tswvyim yijmeem coj tuaj piav qhia sawvdaws, yam twg siv tau los yuav
khaws mus siv. Yam twg tsis zoo siv los tham tag muab tso tseg rau huv
no.

Cov phoojywg sawvdaws, tshwjxeeb yog cov uas tseem coj kevcai qub. Peb
yuav tau ua tej yam dabtsi los txhim kho kom peb txoj kev pam tuag no
zoo dua qub tuaj. Kom peb tsis txhob scare away peb tej me tub me
nyuam uas tseem tabtom yuav los sawv peb chaw rau yav tom ntej.

HL

TXHEEVCOM

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YTK...kuv los yeej pom muaj ntau yam xav kom peb Hmoob hloov.

Peb tuaj nyob muaj nyiaj muaj txiaj lawm ces kev pam tus neegtuag peb cia li muab ua loj tshaj li yav thaum ub lawm. kuv yeej pomzoo kom muaj cov txheejtxheem tseemceeb tabsis tej qhov uas tsis tseem ceeb thiab tsis zoonkauj rau yus Haivneeg yuav tau muab tsotseg....qhov kuv tsis pomzoo mas yog LUB ROOJ HAUVDEJ HAUV CAWV txais tos cov qhua...muaj tejtus ces hausxxx uas twb tsis pom kev li lawm es pojniam menyuam mam li los cab mus tsev lawm xwb. Kuv yeej pom Hmoob muaj li no tas li yog cov nteesloj nas. Tsis tas li ntawd tseem baj Phaib rau cov niag quavphaib tuaj ntau phaib yuav nyiaj hauv nteestuag thiab. cov niag no twb tsis yog tuaj pab koj ho pom tias nteestuag luag ua zaubmov siav ces tuaj daus noj tag ces mus ntaus Phaib yuav nyiaj xwb.

Kuv xav tias vim li cas es peb Hmoob no hais tias sibhlub tabsis luag tuag yus tseem mus ntaus Phaib yuav nyiaj no puas yog ib tug yamntxwv zoo rau peb Hmoob lub society.

Kuv pom qhov uas Noogdlej hais mas ...lug tuaj luag yeej tuaj pab nyiaj thiab...tabsis muab ua loj dhau ces cov niag nyiaj pab ntawd twb muab siv tag rau lub ntees lawd..twb pab tsis tau rau tsev neeg..los yog teev tsis tau lawv lub kuamuag li.

Yog cov uas muaj insurance ntau policies ces kuj OK thiab...tsuas yog muaj ntau yam yeej tseem tsis zoonkauj.

yah...@hotmail.com

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yajtshabkob...

hais zoo kawg...muaj qee yam yuav tau pauv ntshe yuav zoo nkauj dua....muaj qee yam yuav tau ua raws li tej laus ua yuav zoo dua.

temsis raws li kuv paub mas, thawj xyom cuab ces lam ua lawm xwb...thawj xyom cuab twb yog niag cuab tsav ne...kuv tsi paub tias vim li cas tebchaws no muaj ib txhia cia li kom muaj thawj xyom cuab lawm...tejzaum ntshe yog cuabtsav xav tias nws haujlwm ces yog tuav diav laig xwb...temsis tiag tiag mas, cuabtsav twb yog thawj xyom cuab ntag. txhais tau tias cuab tsav nkeeg nkeeg saib lub ntees tuag es nws thov ib tus thawj xyom cuab los pab nws no xwb.

hais txog txiv nqeej muaj ntxuag...yeej yog li koj hais. tebchaws nplog yeej tsi muaj tiag. qhov uas lawd tau ces yog cov niag pa lwj xwb...temsis, nyob rau nplog teb, tsi hais hmoob dawb hmoob lees, thaum xyom cuab los thov cov niam qeej lawm, yeej muaj ntxuag los ntawm rooj thiab, es txiv qeej mam li kam ua. tamsim no los peb cov hmoob ib txhia tseem ua li no thiab...temsis, tsuas yog lub sijhawm no thiaj muaj ntxuag xwb.

hais txog hmoob txiav kev pam tuag kom sai sai...ua tau kawg mas cov phoojywg. qhov tseem ceeb ces yog zaj qhuab ke xwb os. vim qeej nce neeg, qeej hlawv ntawv, qeej qhia kev (tu siab), qeej tshais su, mo etc...twb nyob hauv zaj qhuabke tag lawm.

yog siab tsi kheev los...qhuake, tusiav, nce nees...ces log kiag xwb...ua li no ces 1 hnub xwb tag lawm....

yog tias xav ua kom sai sai heev...ces qhuabke tag nrho ces log kiag....mam tso plig pam xwb...zoo li tebhcaws no ces..uadabtsi los tsi mauj qabhau lawm. ua li cas los tau lamw os..

yg

Phuajxab

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Tsoom Phooj ywg.

Kuv tsuas yog me nyuam neeg xwb Tseem paub tsi tau zoo txog hmoob txoj kab lis kev cai PAM TUAG, Tsuas yog tau mus nrog luag zov tuag thiab mus pom xwb.

Hais txog ntawm Xyom cuab kev tua Tsiaj rau lub ntees tuag ntawm, Nyob teb chaws Vammeej no, Tsi hai nyob qab teb los qaum teb, Txog ib tug laus lub plag lub xau, Cov nyuj coj los siv twb yuav siv txog ntawm 10 tawm tus nyuj rau saum xwb.

Qhov nov xav kom SD yuav tau hloov ua kom tsawg tshaj li tsawg tau,Yam ntau tshaj tsi pub kom dhau 4 tug nyuj, Qhov tsawg tshaj tsi pub kom tsawg dua 2 tug

Ntawm qhov 2 tug nyuj.

Tus # 1 cia ua tub ki tug tsi hais coob los tsawg SD koom tib tug.
Tug # 2 Ua niam txiv dab laug tus. Qhov no thaum neej tsa qua neej tsa tug neeg mus ua neej luag yeej npaj tseg tau ib txoj hlua nyuj rau luag tus neeg coj mus ua neej lawm thiaj li yuav kom muaj tej no.

Dua lwm yam ces tso tseg mus kom tag, Yog nqaij tsi txaus noj ces cia li mus tua ib ob tug ntxiv ua nyuj nres hnub xwb ces kom tiav.
Yog tsi kam txo tej nyuag hauj lwm no kom tsawg mus Tseem pheej xav tias nyob rau teb chaws vaammeej lawm ces tseem haj yam yuav nrhiav ua kom muaj ntau yam tuaj. Kuv Pom tau tias nws yuav tsi vammeej rau SD txoj kev pam tuag. Niam txiv tuag es tub ki poob txog 40.50 txhiab dolas/ Tej no hnyav heev rau tub ki lawm, Yuav tau tsa muag saib luag lwm haiv neeg thiab, Luag tej twb tsi ua cuag hmoob luag tseem nyob muaj teb muaj chaw muaj nom muaj tsw, Tseem txawj ntse tshaj hmoob lawm ntau thiab.

Kuv tsuas lam tham li xav xwb nawv.

idonotknow ¨pheej hmoo¨ เอาหัวชนฝาเหล็กเพื่อเจาะรู

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hmoob ces yeej sib tw ua lub ntees kom zoo tshaj yav taslos hmoob thiaj ntxiv ntau yam li koj hais. yam uas yog yog cai ces muaj tsawg2 xwb. mus txog tsev ua nom yav tas los thiaj muaj nyiaj ces lawv ntxiv ib ob yam kom raug ntsej muag me ntsis.. lwm zaus hmoob muaj dua ib tug muaj meej mom thiab muaj nyiaj ces lawv yuav ua kom zoo tshaj ces lawv ntxiv ib ob yam ntxiv tsam no thiaj ntau li ntau li koj hais lawm. kuv muab taug qab txog hmoob rab qeej thiab lub nruas mas thaum ub hmoob siv los ua kev lom zem rau tej lub sij hawm xwb. tabsis tom qab no muaj tej neeg tseem ceeb tuag ces lawv thov kom coj ob yam twj lom zem no mus ua zov hmo zov hnub rau lawv tus tuag. txij ntawd los ces ob yam no cia li muab ua ntees lawm xwb yog siv ua kev lomzem mas tseem txhaum cai thiab.

kuv hais li ntawm lub nruas mas vim peb tsev neeg no muaj ib txoj cai ib txwm coj los tias yog ib tug txiv neej ntawm peb tsev neeg no muaj tub coob txog 3-4 tug lawm thiab tus tub txawm yog tus hlob ntawm cov menyuam no ces yuav tau coj tai. yog tshaj ntawd lawm no ces yuav tau coj nruas. coj tai mas peb tsev neeg twb muaj los laswm ob tiam lawm. tsam no zoo li twb tseem yuav tau coj nruas ntxiv thiab. kuv thiaj xav paub tias lub nruas twb yog kev ploj tuag thiaj siv xwb no ua cas ho muaj keeb kwm rau peb tsev neeg. nug mus nug los ces thiaj poob rau lo lus tias lub nruas mas yog hmoob ib yam twj los tsim kev lom zem thaum ub yog hmoob muab siv ib zaug rau tej muaj meej mom tas cesa yam twj no ciali rais los ua twj rau ntees lawm ces hmoob thiaj tsis nyiam coj li lawm. tsam no peb thiab tsis muaj lawm.

cherte...@gmail.com

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Hais txog ntawm kevcai qub thiab tshiab ntawd, raws li sawvdaws totaub mas tus uas coj kevcai tshiab yog refer rau tus uas mus ntseeg Vajtswv lawm hos tus tseem coj kevcai qub ces yog tus uas tseem coj dab coj qhua. Tabsis yog koj yuav hais txog kevcai qub thiab kevcai tshiab tiag mas cia kuv hais li no tias, txoj kevcai qub yog txoj uas ib txwm Vajtswv tsim tau lub ntiajteb ntawm no thiab Vajtswv tsim tau noobneej es Vajtswv samfwm rau kom lawv yuavtsum pe thiab hawm Vajtswv ibleeg xwb. Thaum ntawd tseem muaj ib haivneeg xwb raws li Vajtswv Txojlus qhia. Tom qab dej dag nyab ntiajteb thiab tomqab Vajtswv ntaus tus pejthuam tag Vajtswv thiaj ua rau neeg nyias hais nyias lus ces peb Hmoob thiaj sibsau thiab khiav los rau sab Asia. Vim peb ncaim Vajtswv los ntev thiab peb tsis paub Vajtswv tej kevcai lawm, yog li ntawd, thaum peb muaj mob muaj nkeeg, muaj kev nyuajsiab ntxhov plawv peb tsis paub yuav hu Vajtswv. Yog li ntawd, peb thiaj hu peb niam peb txiv peb pog peb yawg los pab peb. Peb pom tsob ntoo twg loj, peb pom lub roob twg siab los peb ciali muab tej ntawd los pe thiab hawm lawm xwb. Ntev thiab ntev ces tej no ciali dhau los ua peb Hmoob tej kevlig kevcai dab qhua. Tej no thiaj dhau los ua peb Hmoob cov kevcai tshiab lawm.

Peb cov Hmoob uas los nrhiav tau Vajtswv thiab los ntseeg Vajtswv, lawv yog cov uas rovqab los nrhiav tau txoj qub kevcai uas thaud Vajtswv tsim thiab rhawv rau lawv.

Twb yog vim li ntawd es muaj ntau yam uas peb cov Hmoob uas tseem coj kevcai dab qhua tseem muaj ntau yam uas Vajtswv Txojlus (Phau Vajluskub) hais txog nyob rau hauv Hmoob tej kevcai dab qhua, xws li thaum Hmoob qhuab ke los Hmoob tseem mus hais txog Nkauj Iab thiab Nraug OO nkawv. Hmoob tseem mus hais txog Vajtswv tsim xyoob ntoo, Hmoob tseem hais txog ntxiv ntawv noj ntawv haus uas yog siv ntaub liab, ntaub dub thiab ntaub dawb xwb. Hmoob tsis siv lwm yam ntaub. Hmoob ntaus cim rau tej menyuam thiab Hmoob mus ntaus cim rau tej uas yog Hmoob tug los Hmoob yeej tseem siv tus ntoo khaublig.

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On Saturday, April 17, 2010 8:11:56 PM UTC-5, Yaj Tshaj Koob wrote:
txhua yam yeej yog muab txua tshiab thiab ntxiv rau yav tom qab no xwb. tos kuv hais li ntawd los lub nruas thiab rab qeej los zoo li thaum ub tsis yog twj siv rau tus TUAG. tej ntawd yog hmoob txuj ci kev lomzem tej twj. hmoob muab siv ib zaug ces lwm tus pom lwm tus saib zoo li muaj nqes thiab tsim nyog ces xyaum kiag. tsam no ces ob hom twj no cia li rais los yog ua twj rau neeg tuag lawm xwb. kuv xav mas tej qeej thiab nruas no zoo li lwm haiv neeg tej PIANO thiab drum rau kev lomzem xwb. muab siv ua kev lomzem rau ib tug tas ces sawv daws XYAUM thiab NTXIV rau puag tom qab no lawm xwb. human los yog TSHIAJ ces yeej yuav muaj destruction thiab new development thiaj yuav vam meej kom lub neej zoo zog lawm tom ntej. HMOOB ces there is no exception yeej yog hloov thiab ntxiv tshiab tas zog rau lawm. koj sim saib thaum ub hmoob twb tsis siv computer los sau npe cov tuaj PAB lub ntees. to9m qab no hmoob pom hmoob copy ces txhua lub ntees hmoob yeej muaj ib lub laptop sau npe thiab cov khoom PAB. txhua yam. yog vim siv ces yooj8 heev tuaj lawm. computer spreadsheet calculation mas nrawm txaus. lub ntees tas coj qauv mus zais xwb ces twb paub tias lub ntees neeg tuaj pab tau NYIAJ thiab khoom ntau npaumli cas thiab nyiaj siv tawm npaum li cas. yog tsis siv computer mas yuav yog week mus rau hli tej no thiaj yuav muab los tshawb kom paub tau puag tom qab. tseem yuav muaj sib liam ntawm cov kwvtij tias ib tug NOJ NYIAJ los yog noj khoom lawm. vim thaum los report ces twb LIG DHAU.

MoobLeeg

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I agree with kwvtijhmoob...it goes with the flow or contemporary circumstance. We have to curb our culture and traditions to comply by the rules and regulations of the state, city and local governance, for example: 1. Tsipub hlawvxyaab hlawvntawv huv tsevtxag (fire risk by fire marshall) 2. Tsipub tua qab rauncoo, nam qab ynoog tswlwj heev (health risk by health deparment) 3. Tsipub cov moog tshwmtshaav uantej coj moog log (health and sanitation risks by health department). Tej nuav yog neej ua xwb tsi yog dlaab ua. Lua kuam puav tsipub ua tes tau pauv xwb.

Yog lua txuj cai khoo lawm tes Moob pauv tau zoo heev le. Peb tej kev ua nteeg luj2 hov los tsua ua kom tau ntsejmuag hab kua lua qhuas txug cov tseem nyob xwb. Yog xaav tauntsej taumuag hab yog dluav khov tes ua luj npaum caag los hajyaam zoo xwb.

Ibqho kuv xaav kua pauv ma yog rubrooj hab ha xim (ha txivxaiv). That wastes too much time (all night long) and money for the txivxaiv. Kuv ho tsisntseeg has tas yawm txivxaiv hov has lug zoo2 rua cov tubki tes puab lub neej cale ntseg hab cale yuav tsimtxaj. Yog koj tsi rausab khwv hab kawm txawj kawm ntse tes tseev has zoo le, koj yeej yuav caum tsis cuag lua... just my thought.

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KUV POM QHOV NYUAJ LI KOJ PIAV TXOG CAI ntawm lub teb chaws hmoob nyob. nyob li ntawm meskas no yeej muaj FIRE thiab HEALTH laws uas HMOOB cov ntees yeej ua tej yam txhaum2 cai li koj piav. ib qhov ntxiv yog CAWV. hmoob lub ntees mas siv dej cawv loj heev tabsis txoj cai mas tsis pub siv cawv li hmoob siv. yuav siv cawv yuav yog muaj tus neeg uas muaj license tuaj ua tus hliv cawv neeg mam haus tau. tsis lam yog ua li hmoob ua es xyom cuab hliv cawv rau leej twg haus los tshuav yog hmoob muaj txoj kab txoj ke li ntawd.

ntawm qhov hlawv ntawv mas kuv pom hmoob thiab cov funeral homes pauv tau kom yog cai lawm vim lawv lub tsev paub hmoob siv ces lawv muab ib lub trash tank loj2 tso nraum zoov rau hmoob hlawv ntawv.

yeej pom tias tshuav ntau yam hmoob yuav tau hloov los yog lub funeral home yuav tau nrhiav work around solution los kom haum txoj cai thiab haum hmoob txoj kev ntseeg tib si. yam twg yog tsis muaj solution kom haum ob tog tib si ces hmoob kawg muab yam ntawd POVTSEG. vim txoj cai tsis yog yuav muab kho yooj8 hmoob qhov los kuj kho tsis yooj8 TABSIS kuv pom mas yog lub ntees mus tsis haum los yog tus tuag poob rau txoj kev tsis raws kev mob nkeeg tuag mas HMOOB kuj rov kho tom qab tau. yuav siv ib tug txiv neeb uas txawj thiab paub hmoob hom kab ke no ces ib thaj neeb rau tom qab tej ntees thiab kev tuag twb dhau lawm ces kuj mus kho kom rov haum. hmoob yam kho tom qab no mas kuv saib neeb puag thaum kuv yog li 8 xyoo los laus li no kuv nyuam qhuav pom ib ob zaug xwb uas yuav tau kho ib ob tug kwvtij uas tuag vim raug nyablaj los yog tub sab tua tuag tom hav zoov. vim tuag tom hav zoov tsis raws li kev mob nkeeg tuag ces hmoob tias tus plig rov mus lawm poj yawm teb los poj yawm tsis yuav

thiab tsis tau kev rov qab vim tsis muaj tsoos thiab twj kom tus plig rov qab tau. cov tub ceev xwm zov kev kom cov ciaj tus plig txhob lam nyiag kev tau rov mus poj yawm ntuj yog cov kuaj tseeb2 seb tus plig puas yog tug tuag tus plig los tus ciaj tus plig yuav khiav rov qab xwb. cov tub ceev xwm no yuav saib tus plig cov twj seb nws puas muaj tsoo tuag thiab tej txhib ntawg thiab qaib rau ncoo, khau maj. yog tus plig yog tus tuag li ces tej twj no yuav tsum muaj ltub ceev xwm lawv thiaj pub tus plig rov qab. yog tsis muaj ces tus plig kawg tau nyob sab ntuj tom neeg ciaj tsis tau kev rov qab mus thawj thiab rau lwm tiam neeg. kuv kuj pom muaj cov txiv neeb uas ua neeb mus muab tej twj no hlawv xa mus rau tus plig kom nws rov qab tau mus lawm poj yawm ntuj.

yuav kom tog twg kho dua tshiab los tsis yooj8. vim txoj cai tsis yog hmoob tsim tawm los ces lawv tsuas ua li lawv haiv neeg txoj cai thiaj tsis haum hmoob hom kiag li ntag. hmoob xav kom haumli hmoob lub siab ces yuav yog hmoob yuav tsum muaj ciam AV.

CIAM AV mas tsis yog yooj8. yog tsis nyuaj heev no ces hmoob twb tsis tos ntev npaum li no hmoob twb muaj teb chaws li lwm haiv neeg lawm nram ntsov. twb yog nyuaj kawg hmoob thiaj tseem nyob ib co qhov muag hlaws2 nov tsis muaj AV los yog hmoob tug li ntag lau.

Hais txog hmoob mas xyov hmoob txawj2 txawv lwm haiv neeg. yog yus pom ib co neeg tom kev los yogtom khw mas tsis tau hnov nws lo lus nrov tawm los yus yeej paub cov niag ntawd yog hmoob los tsis yog hmoob. pom blog,co, daum, thiab thaib mas yus yeej paub tias cov niag ntawd tsis yog hmoob. hmoob muaj hmoob ib tug yam ntxwv uas yus pom ces zoo li 9deb 10deb los nws yeej qhia tias nws yog hmoob no lawm.

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cov yawg...

in order to make any sense of our words and ideas, and recommedations...along with changes that we need, we must first understand and know the tradtion/religion...in essence, we must ask why we are doing these thigns and/or why are we trying to change it. what purpose do these ritual serve and what will we accomplish if we change it? how are these rituals connected to other rituals/events? most importantly, how will they affect the whole funeral...and others who are (must?) be involved?

is it money issue??? is it time issue? or is it that you are so into y9our little world, that you would not care less.? LOS YOG TSI XAV LEG TEJ HAUJLWM NO XWB ES LAM TAU LAM HAIS XWB? for the past 10 years in here, i see lots of "change this" and "chang that..." and "what a waste of time"....but most of these people knows nothing about anything....IT SEEMS LAWV TSI XAV UA CES CIA LI LAM HAIS LI LAWM XWB.

REGARDING FUNERAL...qhov yoojyim tshaj ces, yog tsi xav leg tej niag no ces...JUST ELOPE...GO TO VEGAS AND GET A 20 DOLLARS MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE... FORGET ABOUT HAVING INLAWS. OR JSUT LIVE TOGETHER...WHEN YOU'RE TIRED OF EACH OTHER, MOVE ON TO THE NEXT STATISTIC.....if you take this route... HALF THE THE PEOPLE INVOLVED (ESPECIALLY COV NEEJTSA) ARE CUT OFF FROM THE FUNERAL, WHICH MEANS YOU WOULD SAVE A FEW BUCKS...BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU WILL ALSO LOOSE A FEW BUCK FROM THEM TOO...WHICH MEANS YOU REALLY DIDN'T SAVE ANYTHING.

the next step...nrauj kwvtij...dont' get involved with them...and i'm sure when death comes...no one will come....that will get rid of the next half of the pepole.

so whose left? a few "grassy" family (hmong hais tias sawv tom hav nyom los) members...and maybe your kids and immediate fmaily members which could possibily be more than 10 people.....tuag kiag ces, two hours of service and then burial.

ny

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koj hais two hours of service ces faus. yog yuav leg kom tas hmoob cov kevcai mas tsis txaus tabsis yog yuav kom mus tau xwb no yuav tsis nyuaj siv tas 2 hours. vim peb hmoob cov tom havzoov uas mag blog thiab nyablaj tua tuag tej tug ces twb tsis tau 2 hours services cia muab faus thaum paub/pom tias txoj sia tu tsis muaj mem tes thiab tsis ua pa lawm ces faus. li no tseem yog thaum sawv daws tsis maj thiab sawv daws tseem pom tus tuag txoj sia tu. muaj ib co ces raug tua tuag tom hav rog twb tsis muaj leej twg pom. thaum pom tom qab ces twb yog ze2 hli tom qab lawm xwb. hmoob twb tsis zoo mus tshawb tus tuag lub cev thiab kho ris tsho rau hnav lawm. kuv paub mas cov hauv peb zov muaj ib tug mus txoj kev tas sim neej uas raug blog/nyablaj tuag tuag tom kev deb ntawm zos li 5 kilometers twb yog ze ib hlis tom qab hmoob mam mus pom ces twb pib lwj2 lawm xwb. hmoob mam nqa ib txoj hlua mus khi tus tuag ib sab ceg ris. mus tuaj deb2 rub txoj hluas kom tus tuag lub cev txhav li ib ob mev kuj ntsiag to ces paub tias nyablaj tsis caws lujtem rau tus tuag lub cev sawv daws mam mus khawb ib lub qhov li 10+ mev ntawm tus tuag lub cev nqa ib daim lev mus pua ze2 tus tuag lub cev sawv daws paub tias twb muab lub cev cab li ib ob mev tsis muab lujtem tawg ces nyaj tso siab zog tias tsis muaj lujtem caws nrog lub cev sawv daws thiaj muab lub cev tsaws rau daim lev mam nqa mus fau tom lub qhov sawv daws twb khawb tau lawm.

zoo li tej tus no twb tsis tau ib yam kev cai ntees li cia muab faus lawm xwb. tseem muaj cov uas tsis muaj tus mus pom thiab mus faus tsis tau cia li cia tuag twg ces lwj kom tas qhov ntawd xwb hom no mas haj yam nyuaj twb tsis tau AV los npog tias yog nws lub tsev tshiab rau nws lub neej tom ntej txoj sia tu.
yog nyob li tim meskas no ces coj tau lub cev los hloov tsoos thiab tau lub hleb mam coj mus zais xwb twb tseem zoo dua cov tim havzoov/caubfab. thaum sawv daws nyob coob2 ua ke li ntawm TWIN CITIES, MN no mas yuav ua kev cai dab qhuas LOJ npaum li cas los kuj tauTABSIS yog mus nyob tej zos/nroog hmoob tsawg2 dua 10+ yim hmoob xwb ces tej txujci dab qhuas no tsis yog yuav ua tau. tsis ntev no yog sawv daws tsis nyob koom nroog li niaj hnub no hauv MPLS thiab ST. PAUL no lawm ces kawg siv hom yooj8 kom tau tsoos thiab lub hleb mam coj mus faus lawm xwb. vim tsis muaj tus paub hmoob tej kev cai leg ib lub ntees thaum hmoob tsawg dua 10yim. yuav kom leej twg paub taw kev txawj qeej ua kav xwm, yog nrhiav tau cov tug ncig no los cov neej tsa thiab txheeb ze ne nyob twg yog tsawg dua 10yim ces hmoob tej kevcai ntawm lub ntees yeej tsis muaj kiag li. kawg kom tau yam basic tshaj plaws ces kom meskas thauj mus faus lawm xwb.
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